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in golden history, as we know them, but one to twenty percent in other bodies. All the birds are literally, we won the war on things. Getting just stay so set Dammit record despite a morning not to travel. For thanks giving holiday was just confine. The celebration of the family unit leaves with you step rocking the greatest about dark for the holidays. Suddenly Super Schroeder were good for many people. This is the final sighing skimming believe it or not, and for some minutes, thereby thanks giving us president, today with cancer and pleaded recounts, confirmed by win with small boost, adding eighty seven votes, this massive damage to national embarrassment. Unless the legal situation changes, Joe Biden will be inaugurated on January, twenty seven, but remained silent ass much in terms of all about us between you, people, don't don't want from you that way, don't don't up so good morning and welcome to morning. Jehovah is Wednesday November twenty. Fourth, along with Joe Willie in May, we have the host of weight to our lay in White house. Bear check the politico Joe

then Le Maire, former aid, the George W Bush White House and state departments. Elise, Jordan is with us this morning in a moment have the new reporting on the House Select Committee investigating the January six capital attack supporting the leaders of the proud boys and the Elles capers. What kind information or investigators. Looking for from those extremist groups also Yesterday a jury orders, seventeen white nationalist leaders and organizations kind, the so called twenty. Seventeen unite the right rally in Charlottesville Virginia to pay more than twenty six million dollars in images, we'll talk about what that means for them. extremist groups, in a matter of hours. We made the fate of the three men accused of killing a Maud, our borri, we'll get

just ahead as well, but first tensions boiling up between the? U S and two of its top foreign adversaries, Chinese and russian officials are condemning. U S, Terry action near their borders and touting the quote on break bull friendship between the two countries, Collins with a virtual meeting between Beijing and Moscow defence leaders. Yesterday the chinese government issued a statement accused the? U S of under mining regional stability by recently sailing acts guided missile destroy through the Taiwan Strait, tensions, When China and Taiwan have increased in recent months with fierce China may be plotting invasion of its neighbour pro invite and last month pledge to support Taiwan in the event of innovation. for Russia. Kremlin, a fish the last of the? U S, foreign alleged increase in military advisers and

been systems near the countries border with Ukraine. This comes as recent satellite images show russian forces amassing near the Ukraine, Border sparking invasion concerns their town. China's alliance with Russia Beijing's too Sufficient said yesterday quote standing in the face of frantic: U S containment and pressure shy. And Russia are united together, like a great mountain. Our friendship is unbreakable it is the last spring I now present council on foreign relations, Richard Hearts and column, an associate out of her the Washington Post Day, Ignatius, so but your eyes like an unbreakable round. I don't even know where to go with that, given the history between China and Russia, but let's talk out the dangers facing the world, the binding administration, the tough decisions they are going to have to be making? You have two countries

that have designs on two different, trees, Taiwan and Ukraine, and they both poised strike. Could yesterday's meeting. Could the joint statement be basically a sign that both to may move on, or invasions at a time when it will be hard for the United States to push back we can only measured capabilities. We measure intentions, I dont think either is. It is imminent? the China pressure against Taiwan? I think is longer term a mature China's yet reached the point where it has The military capability we won't need though, his very close if it wanted to launch a mass of a nation against to its Ukraine, like these two countries have two things and highlights. One is therefore mental liberalism. They are authority,

than they really want to very different world order, where the kinds of things were pushing in democracy and human rights, don't don't happen, And then they are in a position to get to hear that the sofa anything that we could just talked about each could potentially benefits the prize from a crisis in the others backyard, and they might see sheet to exploit it to one things that by the administration has to think about is not? Lee how we deter prices in each of these two areas, but also how we prepare for both simultaneously, as I don't think, it's possible to rule out a kind of active Elect flotation five by Russia or China. If there is a crisis, elsewhere in the world. And delegations. That's exactly the concern that many people in the foreign policy field, around Joe Biden, are having the fact that we had this joint statement yesterday

you have China ready to go effort. Taiwan been talking about it, obviously for decades, and, of course, Russia, poised to go into Afghanistan. Could they simultaneously in a bid to present such a overwhelming challenge to the United States, that we cannot respond to either obviously the message we are sending that I see two basic points about this job. The first is a wise mobilization if you will It's always scary. When you get these states, that amendment allies in a period of tension and reminds us of nineteen. fourteen in the lead up to more one were formations of alliances were key part of the build up of Russian and China have normal commitments that were renewed, but this

more specific and graphic language, thing. That worries me more is the way in which these statements, seemed to suggest an equivalence between Taiwan, which China regards as part of China will some day we gave in the U S is committed on paper. The idea that there's one China, although we travel, for one that would ever be resolved and Russia's view, which put them stated in a five thousand word essay. Last summer, the nobody really read saying that you can it is part of Russia. Historically, it's always been part the russian homeland equivalence between the two makes me worried that that that Russia is now putting Ukraine on that same status. The tap Taiwan has been mooted that we will recover this if not hey. What's next month, next March next year, the the

says that Russia has now only Ukraine Border not seen as sufficient for food, invasion that actually she were today than they were last April. When there was an earlier here that Russia might go the border, but they are building our intelligence. The suggests that Russia has much wider ambition, so I just would notice This mobilization, but also it may be putting Ukraine in a different category I know, will is gonna, get to more on Taiwan in just a moment, but Richard Hawes. Can I just ask: do just broadly do we Do we understand us, perhaps as China and Russia, sensing? U S Agnes and anyway, and but a living on it short answers? Yes, they seen, which and over the last few years, whether was not honouring the so called red line and Syria under the Obama administration than the trumpet,

illustration moved away from our american allies abandoned the Kurds in the Middle EAST. Most recently, you had the Biden administration implementing the Trump Administration saw exit from from up. I understand they see the United States in a child, a charade. Your Joe was talking about this, David, rather than those aspects of pre nineteen fourteen internationally, what the United States, those aspects of the eighteen fifties internally, so they see a united state. That's divided and distracted everybody's talking about build better or America. First so yeah I do Think there's a sense of opportunity. You ve been given that the United its which, for the last three quarters of a century, has played this outsize role in the world. There were no longer prepared to do. It is simply not a priority for us so we no longer have the necessary political, political unity, so yeah, I do think Russia and China are intrigue.

whether this opens up strategic opportunities for that David there's another layer to this story. This morning the binding ministration has invited Taiwan to its summit for democracy next month. The hundred and ten countries are included on the State Department invitation for the virtual event, which aims to help strengthen democracies world. Why not? China nor Russia are included on the list a spokesperson fortune. As Taiwan Affairs Office said, the inclusion of Taiwan was a quote mistake: why Is this invite significant David further from China yesterday, it said the United States needs to deal with China as what it calls one China, and now Taiwan as these self governing democracy, which you- and I know it is so. the Chinese will be upset by the inclusion of Taiwan in this summer of democracies route for two reasons. First, it gives a Taiwan was a sovereign status, treating it as one of the

the nations that will be invited to this conference of course China says. No. Taiwan is part of the nation of China and the? U S on paper at least it continues to recognise that more fundamentally. This summit of democracies is gonna remind the world. What is different about Taiwan? I visited Taiwan Taiwanese action is pretty amazing that people especially on Taiwanese, are passionate about the kind a freedom that they have like the kids in Hong Kong. They don't want to live in an authoritarian, a country and a chinese What to Taiwan and see this continuing democracy that it worries Beijing sorts as significant step, I think interesting questions, whether other countries that are invited the France, Germany's are our other Democrat, friends around the world will get nervous, as the Chinese really gonna turn up off the heat on this and will be more worry of Taiwan in the. U S would like them to be.

and TAT one is an extraordinary country at the opportunity, while in Congress to go over two, the first inauguration of the first democratically elected president and was struck. bye, bye, country by the business climate. The culture- it is a strong virus country, Richard I do wonder if we are starting to finally see some pushed back to that continued bad behaviour, President Shea we ve seen a move on Hong Kong, of course, to the expansion of concentration camps with wagers. They can t you'd militarization of the South China Sea bombast Stick rhetoric over the past several months we have, we have played this fiction.

with China that Taiwan is a country whose name shall not be mentioned, and I'm just wondering if The United States is finally starting to push back against his bed Baker and it then she and resolute leadership in China will will soon find out that, at some point torrent behaviour is going there going to be held accountable for it will show there is, consensus that China is acting badly at home and abroad and we are pushing racket. The entire strategic orientation of. U S. Farm policy is now moving the counter. China, you seeing greater willingness to count the Taiwan's defence, the debate, but I think as far as you're taking it, we don't she Taiwan, as a country we

c Mon China final status has to be worked out peacefully between the mainland and and Taiwan, and we don't want to provoke prices if Taiwan moves in the direction of independence, if it declares dependent chip which recognise the sovereign. I do think that will try to trigger a conflict. and that would be a cleverly though they let you naturally united Englishmen. Written, we don't work a crisis spent. China has been the seemingly provoking one crisis after another crisis after another crisis. At some point the United States need do is needs respond. I'm wondering you think inviting Taiwan to this democracy summit was a good response, I get uneasy with these. I understand the arguments on that Joe, it's kind of symbolic. I would run much rather too I did. The agent breached its ability to compete, Taiwan's the bat deter, cha, Cha, from using military force against it too,

Japan and other countries much more involved in collective defence. I think we're going to be very careful that reiterate the basics that they look it's worth for over forty years now, the three communiques with China, with Nixon Kissinger negotiated with Joe and lie and now and say. Yes, we can find expanded base for Taiwan do not want a necessarily pushed too far. Well, in and of course, we ve been saying Richard you and I both have been saying: we have to figure out a way who deal with China to work with China to find common ground to build a partnership with China, because we're gonna be sharing the world stage. For ex half century, but that's a two way street. At some point, China is going to have to understand that we're going to push back. I guess that's that's up to on the bite administration. Smart people like you to figure out the best way. The safest way to push back again, their abhorrence behaviour, which continues daily violet

if I just wanted to take of some positive signs. The United States Congress, you have breaking member in the Senate on Foreign Affairs Committee, senator rage actually calling out Rob against that are blocking amber, Stir ships we ve had a lot of people come on. The show complaining that the United States is not represented across the globe and we are far weaker because because our ambassadors are being held up on the second floor, but actually You had a similar race, the ranking member, actually speak out and condemn the blockade on diplomatic nominees. A positive sign, isn't it. Absolutely good for central Asia is overdue. Aft say this way that the Both parties to some extent have of holding our diplomatic representatives abroad hostages in what are often very petty domestic work.

for games, as has gotta stop. If I hear one thing for foreign leaders that I talk to its the same of the United States in a period of contraction in terms of its foreign policy and not having ambassadors and key capitals, as is part of it, and how we can deal with the China problem. We don't have an ambassador half. We now have a bastard in in France in written in in key countries with which we have alliances and people just need to. Understand especially senators wanna be smart enough to get this that We need our represent representation and appeared where would being challenged without it we are. We are much more much more vulnerable to pressure Richard Heartand, David Ignatius. Thank you both very much for being on to talk about these stories this morning, as they develop. Moving now to the house, Select Committee investigating the January sixth attack on the. U S, capital. This another round of subpoenas the Bible,

in panel is now demanding testimony and documents from leaders of the proud boys, the oath keepers and other groups involved in the violence leading up to and on January Sixth Committee nobody Thompson rights in a statement quote. We believe the individuals and organisations we subpoenaed today have relevant information about how violence interrupted at the capital and the operation, leading up to this violent attack. Willie let's bring in senior report for NBC. News has been covering this world for so long been Collins Bangor Morning, thanks for coming. I so obviously papers. Proud voices are broad terms that capture a lot of people who exactly our talking about here with these subpoenas in what's the significance sure so, with the old keepers, its Stuart Road he's been speeded, so Stuart roads is the head of the earth keepers you're in a day

around January, sixty was telling people what to bring to the rights to make it look like you. Dont have weapons, but you do have. Weapons is like several times or in a grey area, brings flashlights in detail. dsl flashlights they can be used as weapons, He was sort of upset with the president on January sexy, but he didn't give enough specific instructions. He thought, and he said patriots are taken it into their own hands. Here, that's what he said to his followers that day, You know in the run up to that on telegram and discord. The this group De Group's specifically thought there would be violence at that and push that way. That's import way. It really Terrio is the head of a proud boys Also in this bash subpoenas, even though Terrio never made it to DC, he was brought in our weapons charge beforehand, Retsina weapons charge to areas of really. just in case he's rooted, Patty largely by proud, largely there

leaving a federal agent because he has worked with the feds in the past it they believe he is some sort of. I guess they believe is a front for something else within that committee. The third most interesting case here is getting robber. Patrick Louis works for this group of first, Praetorian re new group from last September, camera really good, picked up around this whole electric brought conspiracy was tied to people like MIKE Flame disguise a is a veteran and has It is kind of new to this. Organizing space is really good at it. I created a bunch of rallies, four January six. He is always had this public stance of Anti sponging resetting Ilsa. He got swept me said today is the day the true battles begin. So these are groups that talking about violence either in the run up to stick to the sixth or the sixth itself beyond they were pretty Listen about that, as you say, part of what this committee's looking into ban is any level of coordination

between the groups you ve just described to us, and people in the White House political leadership, members of Congress, perhaps to what Stan. Have you seen that, in your travels online. It's really hard to know. There is always this dance with them. When you know, with specifically roads. He said just as I suspected isn't gonna tell us to go to them capital in taking over he's, not gonna tell you to do that, but the present did say: let's that's all the capital account go up, you'll hear our voices heard tarred to know you. These people used is rolling, stone, reported earliest weak Julie, whose burner phones to talk about the way they knew. What they were doing was on the level of it it's gonna, be very hard to unravel the state. They always use encrypted communications, whether that such things like the signal up where they use back in to get around to people

they. They know they're not doing this necessarily great things. So it's it's a very difficult thing. I don't know how this committee is to find a list of that hey Baby Morning, Jonathan Le Mere Obviously we are seeing some of the members these extremist groups be swept up in this, but we know that there are a lot of force. It still believes they are a threat and certainly people that I've to say that they fear the political violence. We more part of the national discourse If you will this mid terms, an exponential cycle than perhaps ever before, give us Today we hear the occasional news about a rally at the capital or estate capital. Another has materialised Nathan, particularly noteworthy, not yet give us not data to wear federal law enforcement believes the threats. and from these extremist groups across the nation to these threats. Largely decentralized in the last few months. They realise that they can't do this out and about anymore, even with the problem telegram channels which are a sort of the de facto front for these

The people run in those telegram Giles effectively run the movements there there. not as explicit as they were in the days before the six, because they didn't think they had. You know back them. Tat, they had immunity. Now they don't think they have that anymore, so they are running through like us at some encrypted apps there there things that are a little bit more private now than previously in dino. These are. These are groups that are ground up groups. They are Did they work in these satellite ways? You know they eat. There are probably groups that art, but from each other, in the east coast in the West Coast, they they go from the Pacific northwest it. to California and then out unease casino, largely different people, but there a centralized machine and message there, but in enlargement there are two one service in its protecting the people who support Donald Trump in General and that's that's their logical then, and I guess to follow up on that abed- would you say,

the movement is stronger today than it was on January, six that you, actually think that they gain strength. Hostess action. First is having it be diminished with all of the legal that their goal through, and the violence that happened on that day. Maybe that's true. I think it's important to note that they will discard leaders willy nilly People like in, for example, Charlottesville at this trial those people are sound and on Groton out people, Chris Cantwell, no he's virtue, is the crying Nazi, whatever the industrial or just gone Spencer. You know, used to be the start later in the week, supremacy movement. Now it's you who knows there is a lot of people don't think he should be around and that spacey more get rid of leaders who keep the message to push a message for they'll find new euros. Whether those people want to be here as an occupying power has one sure does, want to be the centre of you must process

but they have lionize this man and created created. Your worship around him are creating new figures. New caricature is in real time and their due, using these spaces in these communications that built up over the last four or five years, It is absolutely larger than ever. It is absolutely vital more tones of regular american civilians and ever and that's the difference than four or five years. so this fringing they are trying to take over in temporary mainstream politics. Brightening, NBC Ben Collins. Thank you so much for your reporting, thanks for being on this morning, and still I had on morning Joe, the man accused of driving his suv into a crowd. constant Christmas, for aid makes his first cord appearance. This We learn that a six victim an eight year old boy has died in the aftermath of the crash play,

three of America's biggest pharmacy chains have been found liable for helping few. America's opiate crisis. What that decision means for thousands of similar lawsuits across the country? Also, I had with grown a virus cases on the rise. The binding ministration seeks an emergency order to reinstate its workplace vaccine mandate. Your Jim morning, job will be right back in the political class, Where polarization is off the charts, finding when ground often feels impossible enter Van Jones as a political commentator

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whether so delightful Willie, but their traffic is so frightful or some like that, when at least I have it, but we are exactly so so willing way where any big thanksgiving plans for you well. I wish I was going to Universal now that you mention it is the world's greatest theme park. We go cots, really love it there, but I'll, be home. We're we're blast, have our family very close within driving distance. Both sides of our family said tonight. We go to my family in Connecticut, see my parents, my sister fuse, and then tomorrow we arrive to Jersey for the big feast made by Christine as Wonderland Mother, Joyce Sharking, who just puts on a show- and I see some guy- that's that's that's pretty exciting Mika. Why did what are your thanksgiving plan? Well? Well, I I'm in training, and it's not going well. Are you do and announced yesterday I just

I did emails yesterday and my time was so bad. I'm gonna try and do it again and again and tat over this thanks We can and will see how it goes, I'm kind of embarrassed at how slow I am so that's going on in July, one big one a week- and I guess I d give yourself a smaller coupled during the week like a three or four and then on Saturday Sunday then hit with the aid of the tens. Even when I get some man at myself for being so slow, I feel like I need to do it again. Vaster. This is not good but doubts. I need to talk to you because I really want to raise money like you did, and I want to be your time in its never gonna happen on top of it I'll be cooking for Joe and our family, and then what are watched Joe and Jack and the apples play football. we have eight a turkey ball thinks this is, I that in began up in Connecticut MIKE Loop go to have turkey ball, and we, we would play football,

parents, we gather play football and thanks giving, but it's actually hobby jogging alarmed yeah. It's actually, though one Jack's friends is gonna, have foot ball. Games are very excited about that and get out alive and twelve comes along. I just gotta sake. If they come across and the miser unwilling. You know what happens in all still later is nice, that's today. In fact it's funny. You say that now I get my old Tatum Jersey sounded. So I'm looking forward to that ensure all the kids are really wonder how it's going to be a wonderful things can also be watching get back reading the lyrics by Paul Macartney, this a very beetles giving for me it's about is as bad as much fun. I got into the lyrics last night. About is as much fun is. I could imagine, having

the boring guy, I know tell us Elise about your thing: I'm not going to concur Sidney. Children like Joe out on the flag Bobby feeling I have not been could be much at all, since I had the baby suddenly to make some broccoli casserole end some sweet potato casserole chestnut lucky it. How makes him southern food make? I probably should follow your leaning over a bigger on by probably won't so we'll see how that is. Pie girl, so that such as southern thing- Linford some sugar in here and then we can pursue more sugar in health and thought it was. But a man and Eliza Erhard everybody. I should not have been just pie. I love it. Jonathan on beer, you gone up to Boston. What are you doing, stay home, just the four of us for Thanksgiving at as this year. Yeah It is my favorite holiday food, family, a ball

some helmet and probably some helmet to helmet hits in the back yard. With my tribute is targeting no flatness league, no penalties, it'll it'll be its ITALY gray. It's also my birthday this weekend I'm getting more in getting the present that I want, which is the ability to sleep mastery fifteen a few days in a row of so many of them into a couple of this Much, and it is true there there are no seafaring handle in those meares backyard, is one thing I like about: Em Boston, born boss. Brad ferrets Let me just ask I've never been do a Thanksgiving event in Brooklyn. I do well black. Legally, it's like a broken thanks, giving local intervened in no. My thanks here is evidently definitely not me again. You know Joe it's a little bit of something similar traditions. I suppose we weren't around ripping vaguely disappointed at things it now, but

if we do a much more nor live Nolan routes, and that is worth more to get much our traditional thanksgiving where we fight over cranberry sauce and things like that, I like it vaguely disappointing and walking around saying we don't deserve good thing. something we never say in the south are anything we ever used to say as regards the carriage waiting and villages. Second, but first I go away and because this is so exciting. I asked Alex course in our second producer what he is we doing for Thanksgiving, yet I must say chow it would now it was straight out of Latin America. My store he's. I've been sitting right higher. We now he's not going to a chinese restaurant for for Christmas and tell people, but he still but he's doing the next best thing took it tell us what year going to be doing for Thanksgiving acres, Are our tradition? Is noon filet, mignon capital girl? oh wow, guys why

that is good. Less tat make the box you another very, very traditional. I think that sense at dinner. I think that some of the first thanksgivings were actually done. Little capital drill, Bangalore gap back. We don't want to know where they re trying to teach. Eight now tell us what you're doing. I think we want or taking your family out on the sleigh ride with you, but I wouldn't you want to know. Exciting has now we're gonna be at home. The boys are home from college, so that's exciting actually really exciting. Michael Miller's Vill University is marching in the Philadelphia Thanksgiving Day Parade all falsehoods,

are you going to get out of bed and go into the watch, nothing to watch it online good, dad and let it go dead and leave it and finally Bill Kara yea prisoner? We need you do two things you need you to tell us. What's gonna happen, Thanksgiving we get in your house, but also what's gonna happen Thanksgiving Day in the law We're forty idea. You guys were ass for this thanksgiving we get. What's it look like. I'm not going to ruin it for a lot. But for me it's a family 5k. The turkey trot in the morning then make some deviled eggs and green beans casserole my family requirement and then he'll two hour Drive Every time, and if I don't either the two hour drive or just your heart enjoying Willie and his family that only a couple houses away. So Europe this nice, that's right I say this again: they call this the yet it did

business travel day of the year. It's a cold morning in that's kind of the work done at any time to deal with the cold. Your fine, that's not an effect to drive the airports should be fine. I mean it's even cold in Florida this morning, worth thirty, eight Panama city, forty and Jacksonville, so you can deal with it I d be ok, it's can be sunny. Sunglasses needed for all the driving needs ISA. The Mississippi there's not a lot of bad weather today, so the airports should be just fine. Maybe minor air delays in Minneapolis Chicago Detroit because of the wind ease kosher, be just fine, no issues at all thanks giving day or to deal with some rain and some thunderstorms corporate Christie to Houston late in the afternoon. Of towards Memphis, and also towards the national areas, to keep that in my and our friends in the North West region, I get a lot array, income, Thursday and into Friday, so getting back will be worse than getting too thanks give it watch a storm system with system snow northern on a Friday, then we get another little minor snow storm on Saturday and a heads up to anyone trying to return in the northeast on Sunday. There is it:

it's that we're gonna have a little snow storm taken through especially Sunday night into Monday morning. That couldn't be the first know. The season for areas like Philadelphia, New City Hartford in Boston. So we'll keep that in mind for the end of the week and like getting too giving guys lives. They are matters, is it ever has been so good luck, everyone on the roads and in the air today I hear and thank you very much and thank you. Everybody coming up for all the talk of Joe Biden struggles. There is a Mr President, two could pay the path forward for him. Is Ronald Reagan, the key to bite and come back more Joe is back in a moment

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talking to thought leaders and getting real about how to join hands in pursuit of the common good guess. Like deep October, Megan, Mccain and Andrew Yang all weekend on how to cross the island get things them at a time when feel more divided than ever than in his searching for unity and building bridges to bring people together so you're? Looking for community, that's ready to take action joined Van on the journey to find uncommon ground, listen to uncommon ground. Van Jones? Where were you get your bad Forty four passed me: our live. Look at the White House there on this beautiful Wednesday morning. The five new administration filed an emergency law suit yesterday king to immediately reinstate the federal vaccine mandate for private employers with one hundred or more employees, the justice parliament argued delaying the rule would lead to thousands of hospitalizations and deaths the mandate,

Numerous lawsuits from republican led states, as well as religious and business groups, the rule requires workers get vaccinated by January fourth, or get tests too weak. and wear masks in the workplace. A Jerry in Cleveland has found that CBS, Walgreens and Walmart substantially contributed to the opium crisis and overdose deaths to kill he's in the state the tourist concluded that nations largest pharmacies did nothing to stop the flood of pills that cost hundreds of those deaths in lake and tremble counties. It's the first time pharmacy companies have been held accountable in that opium in the opium prices that is killed, half a million Americans over the past two decades, lawyers, the pharmacy chains will say they will appeal. The jury this decision and this back in the walk, a Shaw Christmas parade, on page made his first appearance in court yesterday, as officials confer

a sixth victim has died and eight year old boy and busy news correspondent Mega Fitzgerald has the latest and then over horrific tragedy in Walkinshaw Wisconsin appearing before a judge for the first time this is case number twenty. One c of thirty nine year old, Darrell Brooks charged with five counts of intentional homicide after allegedly ploughing throat Christmas, great mandate and the prosecutor, saying more charges are pending after the confirmation of a sixth death an eight year old boy knew just from a door about camera, is undergoing somewhere about appear to show greater asking here to call it what you always not long after police moving in moment make around core documents shall Brooks have decades. criminal history, including the rasper sexual abuse, drugs battery and domestic violence. Just this month he was arrested for allegedly running over his child mother, but

released from jail. Just days ago after posting, a one thousand dollar bond is clearly a breakdown in the criminal justice system to release a mayor when his record on a thousand dollars bail, five dead, ranging from fifty to two one years old, three of the victims Kenya, Sorenson known as guinea, Leanna Owen and too, the Rand, all members of the Milwaukee Dancing grannies, who marched in Sundays, parade Wilhelm hospital died while walking alongside them carrying cups of ice dozens more injured Sunday, including eighteen, kids, rush to children's hospital ten remain, and I think you, while the trauma that day is setting in the box screaming everywhere panic, we just took up on a tailor made. Drano was at the parade with a one year old Dylan and witnessed the whore. Could you feel the car zooming past? It was like a pressure. All those kids like it was like they weren't. Even there we are

walk. I saw a devastated community funding comfort in grieving together. Megan Fitzgerald reporting from walk a shot. The eight year old who died yesterday was named Jackson sparks. He was a member of the walk ashore, Blazers, Wolf Pack baseball team. He was marching with his baseball team, his twelve year old. Their Tucker also was injured. Tucker has been discharged from the hospital sadly and tragically Jackson, though didn't make it through their still. Children in critical condition were sending our love and our prayers. To all those families this holiday of three men accused of killing Ahmad Armoury now is in the hands of the jury. Is deliberations continue today, NBC News, correspondent, Sambre reports from Brunswick Georgia for the family and friends of a barbary after months of agony the jury in this case now deliberating, I do think that we will come back

guilty verdict. We will get justice for mine clearance, We, the prosecutions, rebuttal, graphic photographs of the crime scene, causing a model robberies mob to cover her face. Three men this case face nine charges, including aggravated assault and mortar malice aforethought which can be formed in it. It has nothing to do with anger or hatred for a person. Instead, deals exclusively with the concept of intent, intend to kill, intended caused serious bodily harm, the process. It are telling the jury. A self defense quaint cannot apply when you create the danger it confronts in the victims This isn't a lot less. A message- They hope, sticks with the jury. What's happening the power of these last two hours being the final thing the jury will here before they start deliberating. She has fresh jury,

The jury is out all the evidence and so great that, right before they go into deliberation, that we are hearing from the prosecution making their case and hopefully given the convicts throughout the trial, the defence staking its case on a series of neighbourhood burglaries. They say the three defendants were trying to peacefully confront a man. They believed was at least trespassing. these are real experiences, real people who very scared, and so took it upon themselves to do something about. It. Now the fates of three men and the families devastated by their actions. Hanging in the balance, and join us. Our legal analyse my a wily and Danny's evolves, who saw in the peace there guys good morning good to see both my let me begin with you as the jury sets and we wait. The defendants weight in Almaty, Arby's family waits for this verdict? your view of how the case was prosecuted, many legal analyse that we ve been talking to the last week or so thought prosecutors.

the case, what you can account for is a jury I think that's absolutely right. In a, we saw a prosecutor deliver a master class and how to prosecute these cases, which is to be very clear about the facts, makes the facts are coming out a trial, but reiterate the points, over and over again, as we saw in her closing and in her bottle, which was you now ever heard. Anyone say a mile our brief threatened them. You never heard heard anyone say Ahmad Armoury committed a crime, they witnessed. You never heard any one say anything that give them a reason to make a citizen's arrest war have as for self defence and then laying out everything that happened in the law, up to the shooting that demonstrated that the defendants actually frankly instigated. I want that ended in his death, so there

just outlined with the prosecution dead. Let's have you do with it? If that talk about the defence it? What was their attempt here to explain what happened? We know that they seem council with the setting up and ass for change of any day, certainly got a jury with a level of twelve June. Who are white, perhaps placed their advantage, walk issue with their argument The entire argument for the defense had to be citizens arrest. It is the key to the case. If the jury believes that this was a lawful citizens arrest, it may be a defence to all the crap discharge, because if the defence can advance the idea of the totality of the circumstances- yes, it's true, they did not actually see our very committing a crime. Yes, it's true. They didn't see him running off, of a construction site with material reserve or tools or anything that he stole, but the defence argues that it's not about what they saw. jury instruction doesn't require. That now, there's a huge debate there and I'm gonna say

Jerry instruction is a right ground for appeal, because this law, which has since been repealed as written, was drafted in the eighteenth sixties and it is poorly drafted or was poorly drafted and an appeals court There's a conviction, might look at this and say it was too confusing the prosecution, advanced and interpretation, which is essentially that you have to see where the crime be committed in your presence to make citizens arrest. The defence says no, it's about the totality of circumstances. This was a neighborhood. There was be set. Crime and therefore tensions were high and that led to their reasoning, foregoing chasing arbour. You know my one of the great. I thought one of the things that defence did really well was fake. our arms or the prosecution did very well as they can saying to the jury. You can claim self defence, if you were the one who caused it

yourself in that position of danger. You can't claimed self defence. If If you are the one who put yourself in danger and could have avoided it easily and seems to me that something that the jury he's going to be grappling with as they go back. today, but I thought the prosecution laid out very clearly. I can We agree, and I look Danny is absolutely right about what the defense was trying to do which is established. There was no law violation here because they could make us citizens arrest a tier point. What the process did is remind the jury, constantly five, minutes a mod. Very was avoiding MA. Am he would running, he was here and there we're yelling at him and remember their driving in this is before the jury. A truck that has occurred federal flag on it, with people who are armed,

who were screaming at him unless this is the picture that the prosecution is is is putting out there and and what jury has to do is say to itself one Danny's point at did they have sufficient grounds to say they believed the crime was being committed. They had tax seen it or had direct knowledge, and that's the question here that they'll have to decide, but also to your point is how on gods green earth, if he's running for five minutes and always doing is running it gives you every opportunity to call the police to have the police know You can you can follow him, there's nothing illegal about driving down the street and following him until a cop car shows up that now, those are the things they did and the prosecution did something else. It was well done for a prosecutor, which is to demonstrate all there in systems statements because a big part, what the jury

he's gonna decided who they believe so the prosecutor kept saying? Really they didn't say at the police they didn't say they were doing a citizen's arrest to the police getting. Do you think that the burden has been met here by the prosecution to establish that ivory was not a threat to these men who shot and killed him. As in the written ass case, the prosecution is the burden to disprove self defense beyond reasonable doubt. They also adopted a provocation theory that these men went to the problem and therefore cannot claim self defence, but the key is in

everything Maya said, is exactly right, except while no end, but in addition I would say that if the jury does find that these men had probable cause than that Georgia statute, as it was drafted, permitted someone to go out chase, someone lay their hands on him. These are statutes that date back to the eighteen. Sixty when there were no police citizens were the police. Do we need them today? I don't think so. I don't think it's a good idea dad. You trust a lot of citizens to go up an arrest people. I don't. Yes, Joe yeah, will cause for white exactly right, too. the defences theory is that there was probably cause to believe that there was a crime and, if it burglary, alot of folks say what weight There was a. He was just on the property. There was no felony committed, burglary doesn't require a completed. Felony burglary just requires the entering up. The dwelling with the intent made a felony there, and it's not about what he actually did. It's about what the

attendance reasonably perceived and if they are reasonable, we perceive that they do reasonably have probably cause and their citizens arrest claim will fail. I just want to make my way here could stand Danny's, making the right legal points that fence essentially. Is that why? people were afraid- and I say, Because there is also evidence in the record that there were swear white. Who did the exact same thing, Ahmad, Arbed and, There was no, let's hop in our car. Let's get him let's trap him like a rat, which is one of the city its main efficient by my grandmother, Michael and that's so one when I'm hearing the evidence of the defence is posing, and this is why the make up of the jury matters, what the defence so really doing is saying they have reached to be afraid, even though they didn't witness anything, but the reason is because a mud army was a black man,

even one of the lawyers did something it was so blatantly racist, which was to say he had dirty tolls, which is actually One it was, there was no fact in evidence to completely irrelevant whether he had dirty those or not why of course, are again after a wrong. I was shocked and went in there. He started complaining about black pray. hers and then started talking about fried chicken and what? If Colonel Sanders is on the back row in white. Face Maya would you say there are so many questions to ask coming off of that? But I bet I guess I guess MIKE my question is this: why this statute, that is causing concern that Danny's, bringing up it It reminds me of the open carry law up in Wisconsin. You have

and you have laws that are on the books that we take, back into jury rooms. Bring back some some drew ordinarily disturbing decisions by the jury? how important is it for people to to get involved in politics on the local level and sure that these citizens arrest stand, shoots better r r equally from the air from the eighteen hundred and in a bygone era. How important is that they get changed so jury instructions. Don't include such antiquated laws its critical, and you know this is a law that came in Coexistence too,

the white people to deputize themselves to return black people to slavery. That's the history of this law and, frankly, the history of slavery is part of why we have growth, and permitting these kinds of rampant self defense cases. So we do need people to get actively engaged, but also to educate themselves what they or of these laws are and what actually keeps us safe, because these are not laws that are keeping any of us safe Oscar winning producers, Brien Grazer Enron, Howard, MSNBC films, presents the story of visionary flinch, artist, J R paper in writing to semitenth at ten p m Eastern, not MSNBC, celebrity