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when officials there helped within two geishas targeting Joe Biden, his son Hunter and other democratic, good morning and welcome to morning Joe, it is Tuesday January twenty eight, along with Joe willing and may we have Pulitzer Prize winning, calmness and associate editor of the Washington Post and Emma and they see political analysts, Eugene Robinson, author and former public strategists Rick wealth. Join us this morning and NBC News and MSNBC law analysed and editor in chief of law affair. Benjamin where does his co author of the new book on making the presidency? What trouble the war on the world's most powerful office? So a lot going on. We heard J secular approach to defending the president, namely pretending John Bolton doesn't exist. There was commenced are who lamented the acrimony involved in residential impeachment. I know, then that was Alan duration,
That's who says, even if every single thing is true, President should still remain in office. There was former Florida attorney General PAN Andy who spent your time attacking the guidance and then there was lawyer, Jane Ruskin, who defended Rudy Julianne, is escapades in Ukraine as Joe asked on Twitter. How can it be that, after three years of Donald Trump, Republicans sink offence? Continue to drag themselves to such new laws that their shamelessness still carries with it. The Nobody to shock the arguments put forward by trump lawyers and Ethiopia, senators today were just read to kill us yeah sort of a team of. I don't know what job, what I mean yet a confederacy of dances defending him impeachment mirror arguments were apps.
Lay styling. Let's start with the argument that Rudy. I have a quote here. Mr Giuliani is just a minor player he Shiny object, designed to distract you of course, earth to from legal, too, Donald Trump said in that? Not so perfect, not so transcript quotas. Julie. Oddy is a highly respected man. Donald Trump said to the present: Ukraine is a measure of New York City, a great mare, and I would like you to call him. It was Giuliani this minor player in talked about there and that to deal you ran away John Bolton called the drug deal. It's just unbelievable and Willie
Where do we began with can star if irony warrant, weren't, already dead and buried years ago? It was can start yesterday talking about how how abusive Our is not sufficient to engage a present. You need a crime. He literally dragged the corpse of irony out of the grey You think you know, zillions high Korbes is MAC bound to the back of a tractor Are you aware that tractor throughout the graveyard of stupidity and ran over every stone for once again the corpse, thereby putting its loans by everybody? Does kin stars with a straight face
was there when you said the impeachment for Bill Clinton the abuse of power, and then yesterday asked today so sad and mournful This is so terrible how good why we're still the closure of impeachment abusive away. I said it was the cab stuff You are a road, you are akin store, you are a Rushing billboard, gaudily branded flakes sandwich board sign Goin down times square.
The answers were all pray periods. We are all making fools weirdly guys. I even got in their path. Now they burn these their argument. Now this is your tissue. Can I can I get them out, but you could have went near here by the home. A Lord punch, I can sum up a bridge Bobby says they're Joe by brag about five the prosecutor, because he was prosecuting charisma and it was sort of theirs enzyme- Hey Rupert Murdoch works. Well, Street Journal called that a months ago
every major newspaper called it a force. Months ago Willie, the heroic mine in dumb ended the removal of the corrupt prosecutor. The western world demanded that remove of the prosecutor, the Obama administration tall. To go over there and remove the prosecutor or wait one more thing. Pam Bandy just one more thing for the entire do you ever all you stupid people out there are actually are not stupid. You think we're all stupid. You think Donald Trump supporter while stupid. You think conservatives are stupid, like Donald Trump, you think southerners are stupid. We're not. We're, not you the Ukrainians, who set themselves that the prosecutor has stopped
investigating were asthma at that time. It was one of the complaints on why Willie This guy was in the tank. You know what you know what I mean I need. I, unlike James Brown, on my face became reality with the black it I got. A walk off stage applaud often come back. This is all I can do is give inveteracy have done since yesterday I serious say: zero. Please p! lowered the collective idea, not only of Amerika the western world by at least twenty four points. In reality they spoke of this and that the enlargement in the same way, you don't wanna file. James Brown on state want to follow that ran from Jos. Here I am left with that that task this morning. You can do it right. I would add in two J secular argument, to the extent that they even addressed this defence team, the bombshell from John Bolton's book it came from Dershowitz.
That that was not of, but it also gave a jail. Hello saying: well, that's just an allegation in a book. It's not evidence. Let's get your irony metaphor back again, you can put it into evidence by calling John Bolton as a witness, but the White House has blocked them and John Bolton said he would testify. So one more dead body and that irony wilderness, that you are describing a few minutes ago, but let's go back, depend body job. As you said, of going after Joe Biden and his son Hunter fell to the former Florida attorney general. Let's listen to her case when the house managers gave either presentation when they submit their brief. They repeatedly referenced Hunter vine embers. When the house managers gave either presentation when they submit their brief, they repeatedly referenced Hunter by every summer. They spoke to you
for over twenty one hours and they referenced Biden or charisma. Over four hundred times and when they gave these presentations day said there was nothing Nothing to see it was a sham this fiction. The reason they needed to do that is because, They are here saying that the president must be impeached and removed from office for raising a concern and that's why we have to talk about this. Today, hundred binding, had Noakes science and natural gas? No experience energy sector no experience. The ukrainian regulatory affairs spar. As we know he doesn't speak Ukrainian. So naturally
the media has asked questions about its board membership. Why Ten or by non this board in response to those attacks from PAN Bond, the Biden campaign, released a statement that reads in part. We didn't realize bright bar. Was expanding into TED talk knockoffs here on planet earth, the conspiracy very that binding, repeated, has been conclusively refuted. The diplomat that Trump himself appointed to lead his Ukraine policy has black. Did it as self serving and not credible? Job and was instrumental to a bipartisan, an international anticorruption victory. It's no surprise that such a thing is. Anathema to. President traps are Rick Wilson, the former prosecutor, let's Anko, who is the prosecutor at the time, the centre? quote. Hunter Biden did not violate any ukrainian laws. At least Now we do not see any wrong doing, but the list goes on. Joe said the I am at the EU. Others were worried about what that particular process.
This wasn't eight Joe Biden directive. He was a notoriously corrupt prosecutor. It looks back by the way into the whole transport of poor man a fort and everything else. This was part of the previous regime and and Is there was a universal demand to push him out? However, this is also the one of the great mass of oratory family, so the truck campaign right now is it they're gonna make hunter buying a major issue in the twenty twenty election and pan body was out there play the one audience that was Fox and Trump. That's all they cared about. That's all they were trying to accomplish and look. She goes way back with Donald Trump. She left office under a cloud when she looked when she looked the offshore attorney general in Florida because she had taken basically, twenty five thousand dollar bribe from to cover up his trunk university scandal and drop the lawsuit in Florida, so they go way back. He likes that kind of one millimetre d.
Shallow presentation and she she delivered in spades in that regard, but it was. It was a laughable example of how she was reading from the trunk grips. That requires you to suspend logic. The ability We, the time in the a calendar and the ability to look at the global this dislike for this guy, who was a good part of the cancer of corruption, Ukraine, as opposed to people that replaced him and we're trying to clean it up. I can't star they independent council at former. Clinton's impeachment trial tried to an IRA equally warn of the dangers of impeaching a president. A significant way in this particular. Juncture in America's history, the Senate, is being called to set, as the high court of impeachment all too frequently
Indeed, we are living in what I think can happily described as the age of impeachment like war. Impeachment is how. Or at least presidential impeachment is how. Those of us who lived through the Clinton impeachment pudding Members of this body for well understand that are presidential impeachment is tantamount to domestic wore a bit, thankfully protected by our beloved first among them. A war of words in a war of ideas, but its filled with acrimony and divides the country like nothing else,. Then with a sad. This is its duty, would sing, isn't, isn't it rich
This is a man. After all, who am I It's an family show, but hopefully the kids are still asleep. Is your kids lodging if you can cover their ears right now? So this The man who put em now, who put and the impeachment report allegations of quote we're all anal yeah now hold on a second problem, can start dead. That's what a Supreme Court Justice did. That's what they put in their impeachment report And we're talking now about upright that who's not only asking a foreign power to interfere holding up power. He then goes on national. A week later and asks China to interfere in America? Is democratic elections, a risk that Donald Trump Zoning
agency say, says a greatest threat to american democracy can store, is ring America about taking a piecemeal too lightly. When I told you what he filled his impeachment report with its it's just it's it's It is preposterous, especially on the legal marriage saying that there is no way that present can be impeached because of abuse of power when he called callback quote they capstone of his impeachment argument against Bill Clinton. Yes, I was sitting with a colleague yesterday watching can stars presentation, and she turned to me and said: does can start no he's can star. I think that capture all there was a low levels of awareness This sort of Socrates invitation
high per active impeachment and you kind of watched it saying do you know who you are in this? saying do you know who you are in this conversation? Do you know have any understanding of the role you played and if resolve single person. The country Who stands for the kind of defined impeachment down is key star and for him to I'm, not gonna. Try to replicate you're irony dead round, but If there's a single person who represents the ills that he's talking about, he is it and for him stand on their without any appeal. Trying awareness of that is genuinely bewildering. You know the other aspect of
star and Professor Dershowitz. His presentation that is more serious and also very upsetting. Is this attack on the idea that an abuse of power can be unimpeachable offence without criminal quality associated with it. My just like to respond to both of them with the following hypothetical imagine. Donald Trump announced that He was not going to do his job any more as president. He was just going to play golf and spend all here. Time in the White House bowling alley cause, that's actually more fun presidency no one would say that he had committed a crime I president's allowed to play. Golf is allowed to go calling me even built an alley for it in the White House? And yet
Are they really saying that that would not be impenetrable, and so you know the lay the basic defence here? Is it didn't happen? It doesn't matter if it did and Joe Biden Socks and that's not No none of those elements are sway save and the the idea that this material, if true couldn't form the basis of an impeachment, is really a danger. This degradation of the idea that that the president has these awesome powers and we should judge him for how he uses them. Some people learn the hard way in the bird nominee, Hugh Jackman, an Academy award winner, Allison Janni STAR as Long Island, school district supervisors that find them as Long Island School district supervisors that find themselves at the centre of a major scandal inspired by true events, the movie
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seems to me that most of what we heard yesterday, especially from can star and PAM body, and this description of rigid Verde, Julie, These roll on all of this is tat the assumption is, is perhaps counting on that every member of the Senate is stupid to and doesn't remember history and doesn't remember that and an engagement, and doesn't remember everything that can stars. Four and wrote in his book. This is like kind of this is a big ask, They argue that stupid I killed or how big enough meat. As you know, two to go back to two, we can start on the tractor, dragging the corpse of
I remain through the fields liberally time to NATO and let's bring in the product duster of truth at an end and sort of you now, because we need some. We need some serious pesticide here I mean it's. It's loses was astonishing. It was absolutely astonishing built here, can star topped. Lay by the astonishment of listening to by the way, which was which was absolutely surreal. I've read by the way that she collected some a hundred and fifteen thousand dollars a month from from Qatar for transfers lobbying duty. So I guess she's a fluent around the speaker and then and much more qualified to do that, then Hunter Biden was too to work today,
but he did in Ukraine, but but that aside this beyond the prospect. A wall and see what sticks defence mean because this isn't even real spaghetti. It's just that they're making up making facts, making up law, making up the entire defence and republican senators sitting out there. I dont know if they, you know all had their rear buds in noise, cancelling here buds or or if more likely there all thinking about the Bolton, and wondering and feeling blindsided wondering what's coming next from the baltic book. So I think that's probably
what they were doing rather than listening to all of us not to have a job Post Bolton Buck revelation we heard from Mitt Romney yesterday I say it's probably time to hear from witnesses. We heard Susan Collins saying: maybe we should hear from witnesses will see if we get to that point, delete a couple more votes beyond that, but we ve laid out already this morning in very colorful metaphors, all the holes in the defence, but I think we made a very important point, which is that if you are a Fox news viewer, if you in a certain radio. You just listen Donald Trump as gospel. Everything you hurt yesterday, made sense to you, which is that this the sham, which is that Joe Biden is corrupt. This I end up with everything you ve been told now, for months and months and months it doesn't line up with the facts, as we ve said again, but for roughly half the country this story, was told on the floor yesterday made sense
I may be so I have a little more confidence and half the country. Maybe it was thirty percent of the country, maybe thirty, five percent of the country who were such low information voters at the only thing they do is watch. Who shows- and you can say Fox news- but there are times on Fox NEWS of course, and they got to present two requires them to watch Fox news and then check away were there were there anyway, I'm ok, they happens that channel and then, if they say something, then they may have to change and going to left oh, I don't know to the wager board that show you We have to work to avoid the facts. The event, that Donald Trump, the events Zalm lawyer, said yesterday. It was in a perfect call So maybe they had to change the channel. That point I mean no they're trash and John Bolton now bite my late afternoon,
today the presence and out the word. I guess trash John Bolt and so everybody's now just trying to destroy John Bull. Reputation among conservatives, which this is Johnny boy, just listen to me, if you think it go half way here, you're kidding yourself try to destroy. You agree that you're going to tell the truth. Johnny are you're not and if you think that you you'll like if you fail there you go half way. You also think that you're gonna be under cover of g was the sexiest man alive next year and you and I are make and that that magazine cover you were there. Must ash me with this. You go all end and you tell the truth. Are you doubt, but I think Rick Wilson? he's, trying to be too clever. Have I think, you're, just a vague darn it I hate it. When that, when that happens, it will mean that there are all afraid of Joe Biden. That's my big take away is this is like unbelievable,
their entire day, was focused on their number one fear. Well, that's really! That's exactly what I was gonna bring up to wreck will send when he gets his I'll be back, we can continue their looks. A guy looks like ever Four sunrise comes up over tell ass either alone is guys either that are opposed to park ellipse glow by, but think about this Willie member. This so when I ran the first time, I pray that, like front runners, then incumbents the people in power attack me down. Europe has shown from the very beginning of this process that he fears, Joe Biden so much better. Is willing to risk impeachment to dig up dirt and either Yesterday, on the second floor, they kept attacking Joe Biden. Vat a godsend for Joe Biden or in Japan. Jelly urged, I felt sorry or she actually things what they did on the floor
Yesterday's gonna hurt Joe Biden. I mean those confederacy of dances attacking Joe by That's only gonna help help and in Iowa, we're going to help him. I mean through the rest of us of his campaign because Trop his show one thing through all this that he absolutely petrified of running a gets Joe Biden yeah, and that's the case that the binding campaign I mean that what is this all amount to? It amounts to the fact that the president saved so fierce Joe Biden that he went to these lengths got himself impeached. Because you didn't want to run against Joe Biden them. It's a pretty strong case. That's got to Capitol Hill Roquat Glittering and MSNBC, corresponding Garrett, Hake and White House Bureau, chief of the Washington Post, simpler, animals for Emmets Embassy in NBC News, Phil Rucker, he's the co author of the new book. A very soon we'll genius, Vallum, J, trumped testing of America, But let me start with you actually here in studio with us and talk
how the White House is feeling this morning with the revelations from the boat and book and from what they said. On the Senate for get there, scramble underway inside the White House right now to figure out how to deal with these revelations from Bolton that are in the book you know outside. If, though, the National Security Council staff people in the White House cleaned I didn't know about. The spoke rightly stated revelations what was contained inside of it. Even though Bolton brought that manuscript to the White House at the end of December and right now, there's a recalibration of illegal strategy, but also a scramble to deal with witnesses. The Trump lawyer and in the political folks in no way has assumed that this trial could wrap up this week, that the president could be easily acquitted by the end of this week by the Republicans in the Senate. Now that's cast in the doubt, because there could be these four or more Republicans develop four witnesses which would extend the trial and present a whole host of challenges for the presidency,
What see you suspect will be? The defence from the White House of John Bull is national security adviser, not a peripheral player, not in other gas, second hand, knowledge and anything else with some of these other witnesses, the guy in the room and called it a drug deal if he testifies to what is written in this book. What's that? Well, it's really damaging in part, because baldness such a credible narrator here he's somebody who understands the bureaucracy too detailed notes, much to the president's chagrin and is respected by a number of Republicans in a Senate. He's been the block much longer than trumps been present at ease, and it's a real challenge for the way he's just respected, but a number of republican senators and he's an idle for the republican Hawks unless, in the Senate the flimsy grounds and Tom caught Moon, the market Rubio. Suddenly they they say they love jumble, who buy by the way has a pack
but give money the campaigns that it's you know, there's a there's, a connection there, so it is indeed is there not. A lot of these centres are not inclined to get up and call John Bull, a lighter the White House will do that, but but you're his servants going back many years and people who really admire him so Garrett we had Mitt Romney yesterday up unhealthy, saying quote: I think its increasingly likely that other Republicans will join that. Those of us who think we should hear from John Bonham Susan counts, but out of Miss saying Bolton's manuscript strengthens the case for witnesses. Here. Will there be more or will it just be again that small group and if the ants, is no? How do you not all John Bold and if you claim to have an honest and fair trial after what you ve read in this manuscript, that's it increasingly challenging question for Republicans and fill talked about a scramble at the White House. There is definitely a scramble in and around the Senate floor yesterday on the republic inside me,
I'll whose said he's been trying to coordinated hand in glove with the White House were told. He was not aware about this manuscript being in the White House, his possession. He was caught off as well, and you saw some of this come out in the freelancing that republic and senators we're doing yesterday with reporters offering trades for different witnesses kind of talking about for hypothetical scenarios, the the mood shifted so dramatically from Saturday afternoon and republican senators all left for their shore. We can feel like they would have this thing wrath, by the end of this week to Monday now, where nobody really knows where this goes and introduce point there's so much general positive feeling towards Bolton among Republic senators generally can be very difficult for them to try to try to discredit him prematurely to try to get out in front. So you're looking at the possibility of either calling in or going towards the defence did you heard from seminal
councillors yesterday, which is, however bad. You might think this is it's not impeach aboard seems like that's, probably the only thing you can fall back on it. Does come right out and confirm, what's been at the heart of this in terms of the press? and ordering these investigations and what has let's do some kind programming here, forgetting the miserable display by either the Trump attorneys yesterday. What would be their best arguing today, what would be their best argument moving forward for equipped for the president? You know, I think their best argument has all ways been the one that the president disallowed them from using, which is hey. This was not best practices. This was not a good show. The president is really sorry Do you really want to remove a president over Clinton made? It would be again argument now,
holy, unlike the one that Bill Clinton made during the bill. Clinton impeachment, which was hey, I'm sorry, I did this. I was bad. It was wrong, but it's not worth impeaching and removing over, and the problem with this argument is that has double down on it and said the call was perfect, which, message that you're not allowed to criticise it in any way and by the way, not only should you know you crane investigate the binds. But China should too so I'm doing it again in public, and that makes the actually best argument for his position politically roughly akin to saying you know the president. Did wrong, which is something that Trump has basically disallowed members from doing, and so I think they're kind of they.
I have not allowed to make what is really the best argument in their quiver by the way, not a good argument, but that I think the best one they ve got Why do not make a people? My people may be thinking well watching the show right now well he's going to quoted anyway, but if you look at the past set out there even Donald Trump The days ago he's he was reduced to having the quote from appall that showed, skyrocketing number of independence supporting is impeachment and removal, and a majority of Americans supporting is impeachment animal? at the same time, Paul said that we ve seen it the past few days showing that support for impeachment and removal in Wisconsin in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, so starting to grow up in this pole, massively at fifty
for said and was cards and fifty Michigan fifty Pennsylvania, forty nine hi YO, even Ohio, Forties percent, so just cause Republicans that our power, patients in Washington, D C b, maybe making fools of themselves and their lawyers maybe get a confederacy of dances, apparently he's playing there on television? It doesn't mean voters aren't paying close tension and even his followers and his folks on Fox. I mean this constant Tenno watching people who have broken the loyalty and how they get so easily tossed out I mean the slandering now of bolt all of a sudden he's the enemy. All of a sudden, you hear people on Fox trashing him it. It's unbelievably transactional and shallow, that I would think that trumps followers, even some of them, might feel alive unnerved, watching these people constantly
failing the loyalty goes and getting tat will now and again. You better believe that there are some people in Fox who will actually be defending adult Bolton. Why? Because John Vault, It's been a part of the conservative movement, his entire adult life. Are you a thing Donald Trump just for five years ago was giving. Two Hillary Clinton Charlie Wrangle, Anthony winner every new name. Anne Elliot Spencer, gave a check in two thousand for in the car, Mullah Harris. Amid this guy been a lifelong democrat supporter, this award of democratic candidates, and here you have conservative in John Bolton than that's better euro of a certain part of They can serve a movement for very remove Benjamin, whereas thank you so much care at Hake and Philip rocker. Thank you both as well you have a backlash in certain corners of the conservative movement.
Let where does thank you so much care at Hake and Philip rocker. Thank you both as well great to have you all on the show this morning, and still I had on morning, Joe the lead and Peter and prosecutor chairman of the House, intelligence committee, congressmen, Adam Chef plus the second ranking, I'm a crack in the: U S: Senate, Ellen, always Dick Durban, but first remember this. Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable right, but we put together a bagasse special committee, a select committee, What are her numbers today are numbers are dropping. Why cause she's untruss double, but one would unknown? Any of that had happened? Had we let them go. Congressmen, Kevin Mccarthy said the quiet part out loud back and Twenty fifteen and ensure seems like centre
Johnny Ernst just did the same thing. They eyes Willie guys here this week on the Sunday sit down: podcast music, superstar, Cheryl Crow, her journey from a small town in Missouri to the top of the music world, get the podcast now for free wherever you download yours. Iowa carcasses are this next Monday evening, and I'm really interested to see this discussion today in forms and in Blue, went says the Iowa Partners, voters, those democratic caucus goers will they be supporting present vice President Biden at this point, homer really had over him. He's Wilson, Famagusta Back wreck,
yeah he's started back forth. I see now. Oh my god, just in time to hear Joni Ernst say out loud I mean who are these people she's? says our world, which is supposed to be in her head, which is that this is all that right? Are Joe Biden Iowa and in the early Aids Rick the team also senators, could not have worked in harder if they wanted to elevate Joe Biden and make him look like a giant killer like they are petrified of him, Donald Trump, even allowed himself to be impeach over his fear. Joe Biden Correct and yesterday PAM body came out by making this about Joe, what Hunter Biden and by putting on this very year, this performative act
Joe one hundred Biden, she made this into an admission first off to the present commit unimpeachable offences and, second off the perfect framing here, it's so here's the way up. Don't worry about Bernie Sanders he's not worried about PETE, but a judge he's worried about Joe Biden. He's he's sent his so authority were to Giuliani and the cast of minions over to Ukraine to try to two two corruptly influences and throw the? U S. Ambassador he's gone through a year now of impeachment it's I don't touch the hostile But I want to touch the hot. So why does it hurt you edit they're gonna, keep doing this, and now you ve got Junior Susan, a state that is not. As read as it once was, and is breaking a different direction. Who's got a little bit of trouble ahead of her going full trump and, as they say in the Classic Tropic Thunder, you never go. Full trump Where are you know and Jolly urged is she came out yesterday, rambling on and on saying things that you shouldn't be saying admitting that this horrid
spirits see this whole extortion. This whole scheme was our Joe Biden in the early cock states in the election, and this is the same woman who would not answer a constituent in a town hall meeting a few months ago, when the constituent said: where do you draw the line? Are you not going to criticise a present for publicly demanding that China interfere in America's elections generous no answer she was there is the fear they live under of Donald Trump and others. Twitter, feed and of his followers is so intense, and this idea that that that, if they break from him in any way whatsoever or if they deviate in any way whatsoever. It leads them to bear behave like that.
And it leads into the Hague with this- this silence yesterday, you in our both aware that these guys are motivated by fear of primary sphere reelection. Thankfully, the filing deadlines are passing. Hopefully, some of them will realise that they're not gonna, get primarily by by somebody if they wait a few more weeks, but but at this point that the republican senators are betting, their entire political future in their reputations, on the fact that nothing worse will come out until yesterday, when the wind Bolton things are two hovering over them. They were thought they might get away with this. I don't think they're gonna get away with it. At this point, you have been a bit me can something worse. Always comes out and by the way he even its rider finish this impeachment hearing quickly. Between now and the election, things are going to keep coming out and there going to have to look back at what they did during impeachment and they're this stuff be held accountable. The last week and people there so
You wouldn't let John Bolton speaking. You wouldn't take more evidence, it's just it's not as well for with a global like going to learn this growing up. When you did your parents car. It's just it's not as well political like going to learn this growing up. When you did your parents car, you, don't hide it you just it just gets worse, and here we are. Hey. It's crusades, this much closer. Look at Joe Biden with Mark I'll coming up in just a Carl You re Wilson, hey it's crusades this week. On my part, ass wise is happening I'll, be talking with computational biologist, Carl Burg Strong. But what we do and don't know about that run a virus once these things get out there, and this is quite a sort of a key aspect of misinformation, and just information is the once they're out there. They really take off and they spread, and so Jonathan Swift said several, four years ago, that falsehood flies and truth comes limping after and and that's what happens on the internet, of course, that there is a more recent version.
Which is known as Brando in both book symmetry principle, and it says the amount of work that it takes to clean up both does an order of magnitude larger than the amount of work it takes to create it. So we definitely see that sort of thing happening with all kinds of conspiracy theories, including this one around the virus that this week on. Why is this happening? Search for? Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe
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