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Tensions ballooning with China over espionage effort

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our decision to shoot down that massive spy, balloon we'll walk for what happened and take a look at growing fall out for us following the devastating aftermath of a powerful earthquake that left hundreds of people dead in turkey, And syria this morning, rest crews are searching through revel for any survivors and in washington. There is a major g o donor, looking to quote turn page once passed Several years is an apparent rebuke of former president tromp will explain that well plus. ready. binding, got a surge of support at the democratic national committees annual winter meeting in philadelphia on friday. As democrats approve a new primary calendar reshaping the way the party picks its press
and shall nominees well spake to the chair the day and say to hat and good morning and welcome to morning Joe, it is Monday February six with us. We have a host of to relate whitehouse bear house chief political Jonathan, le maire, NBC news, national affairs, endless executive, editor of the re count and the host of the Helen high water podcast John harmon and president of council on foreign relations and author of the book, the bill of obligations, the ten habits of citizens, richard horses with us this morning, a logic till we start with the latest on that chinese spy balloon and the rising tensions with beijing over the binding administrations decision to shoot it down a senior too sufficient tell and basic news that the pentagon has been analyzing the remnants of the balloon over the past few days after it wish
down off the coast of south carolina on Saturday, according to the defence department, the balloons First entered u s: airspace on january, twenty eight by way of the aleutian islands, and it then briefly crossed into canada before re entering: u s, territory, on tuesday, via idaho and load across the mid west of south carolina speaking after are they shoot down operation? President Biden gave new insight into by the balloon, wasn't brought down sooner. on wednesday, when I was briefed on the balloon order, the pentagon to shoot it down on Wednesday as soon as possible. I told them and shoot it down on Wednesday. I wanted to make a recommendation that may lead: let's wait till the safest place to do it. The vial
action international law led to the white house, cancelling secretary state, anthony lincoln's, planned visit to beijing last week, which was to have been the first by it. I've been member. Since the Biden administration took office, that's a message despite multiple, statements from the chinese government, accusing the white house of over reacting to a so called whether balloon that drifted off course. U S, officials have go down on their position that the balloon in in general, I crossed into north america to quote money her sensitive military sites, so Joe lot of questions here. yeah? I mean a lot of questions, a lot of hyperbole alot of a lot of panting and heavy breathing on twitter over the past weekend? surprisingly, not really, not surprisingly, alive republicans, making total fools of themselves with statements that they're making about the balloon,
richard eyes. I won't even say their names, because why? Why dignify their remarks with with any comments, but the pentagon decided that it would be best not to shoot the balloon down on a wednesday, the idea we have these people screeching and howling of congress. Members of the senate. People are supposed to know better about AL This is the end of western civilization, as we know it, and we backed down this. Is you know this is The the this is his napoleon retreating and, and you know, the weather as the russians got it again the lunacy as if they don't spy on us and we don't spy on them. Let me let me step to the fray. Here with you and singing that, yes, this is a problem and it's a problem that needed to be kara and was a problem that we need it.
talk to the chinese about what we can do, that if we're cancelling the first, a diplomatic mission that we there since bide was pressed the united states. Was it a mistake? They cancel that meeting despite the balloon over montana I think it was. I would have gone ahead with the with the diplomacy that would have given secretary state the first chance and a half dozen years to cheat to speak with she's in paying was the only person there who really matters. We ve got a normous issues on the agenda, including growing chinese support for russia, in what doing in ukraine We we don't want taiwan to trigger a war between the world's two largest economy. So we have real issues to discuss where china not First time they ve sent balloons over after some mystery here, Joe as to why it's one seems to have been lower. Why it was observed. The one thing
pretty sure is that, even though china was intentional and sending surveillance balloon this way, they were not intentional. They did not want to disrupt this summit. And has been on a charm offensive for the last few months. Ever since president, she Biden met in bali. They want things calm down if they wanted to close a cry this between the united states trust me. They got a lot of ways to do it and my guess again, oh it's with taiwan. So I think this truly unintentional. I where we are, we probably got a wrong and cancelling the visit, and I think the criticisms that we should have down sooner It was not something where the Chinese learned a whole lot as best I can tell. We seem to have interfered with the ability the balloon to to glean certain intelligence you pointed out, that's hardly only area of surveillance or espionage that they carry out on us or vice versa,
This makes our hearts are they are that again are that we carry out on down this truth. The fact is that so Applicants are so shocked at this actually happens horrified babby. We do it all the time We we survey them all the time. It's what happens and again this is this, is, encourage them and we should treat it seriously by should we do where, at the end of western civilization, should we cancel a summit when we have again, like you, said a war in ukraine there and we ve, got to talk to she because right now she has been the person alive. With Modi that sent the message to Putin. Hey if you use tax, community nuclear weapons. All bets are off we're. where we're going to come out strongly against you and that that's you know they they there putting boundaries around and prudent and
Then you, like you, said we have taiwan, that's that's of growing concern. We ve got an actor slow down. We need to work there. There are thousands of issues that the world's last two superpowers need to discuss that we have, it was gas on is level and again this is one of them just grow up moments. Yes, it happened. Yes, it's bad, let's take it to the table and talk dishes about it absolutely. This is why, god invented diplomacy, diplomacy, not because you don't have problems with the questions you do. This the cuban missile crisis. This is not a major is hist event in the history of of the modern world. Again and see the Chinese were out to make a larger quantity. We don't exactly know who authorize this and when it was authorized, we don't know what intentions, war other. Then they clearly were sending a balloon together. Some kind of information
The point not I'll stop, which is that in crises it sometimes good too, things sounded the republic and hyper ventilating here it seems, it goes against crisis management. The whole idea is too slow things down things down, not overreact and so forth. That's the less Kennedy handled the missile crisis. So again, actually think the administration god at about right, not acting precipitously, shooting it down when it was over over water, and now, I think, The challenge is to get things back on track again less of a need: diaper ventilate, if you're talking about a below well stocked us enable emerged during the war. Again, this serious, we ve talked about it being serious, but some of the statements from the republicans, especially in the senate, I've just been some nine and these jackass is going out again I'll get my shop when she found the blank
of seriously they again, they just limit clowns of themselves. That's bringin! Right now from beijing and b c news, foreign correspondent, janice, maggie your janis good morning, annie in size to them following that interrupted? What was going to be a very important diplomatic meeting between tony blanket and president J, well, there's no surprise that there is a official outrage here in china, at the foreign ministry. Today was not revealing much more about the balloon to shore up the claim that its civilian airship by gathering information on the weather. However, spokesperson did say that that second balloon that was spotted over latin america is also chinese It is also civilian and it was also blown off course now that the statement that was these yesterday by the foreign ministry blasted
you asked south for over reacting for using force for shooting down the balloon and the defence ministry also said that it reserved the right to act for if necessary. So it points. U S, china, nations in a very awkward spot. Considering the secretary of state is supply to be here right now having those first meetings with chinese officials that were seen as the best possible chance in years to reset relations china's spies on the? U s, and, and vice versa is certainly no secret between these two sides yesterday with jewel bull is our former senior colonel, with p allay now with a think tank, and we talked about china's options. This has nothing to do with military confidence, also babies, is he an accident and we have expressed their regret, openness and a for a busy night stays believe in it
and I cannot see any reason why the s governess should not believe it except to make it. You know that political use of it so that this should be over americans, surveillance and reconnaissance by ships airport drums The council yeah on a new basis, and that is intentional and as a do not want to keep it a secret with our chinese leadership, wants to escalate. The situation they claim was accidental is, clear. A lot of the commentary here is painting what the? U s, did as a provocation. Asthma attack wallets romania, the? U s is being moss for over reacting what Sir news, certainly among is some of the analysis that I'm reading from the? U S is that there is the thought. A precedent has now been set.
That us S, surveillance operations in the region could now be targeted, and certainly anything that happens in the near future. That involves the. U s and Taiwan is certainly going to raise the temperature here or if something is discovered, not debris field considering. proximity of that balloon to those sensitive sites, but several days and a downed balloon into this. China still in saying who belongs to or what it was doing. There all they will say, is that they are outraged and that they reserve the right for further repercussions. Joe sean on and deeply saddened our. I thank you so much and we see Jackie mackey for it atta smacking breyer. Thank you so much it's early here. Thank you, during your boarding is always greatly appreciate it, so
John? I am, and I said I was going to mention any names, but it seems to me that if you're, a ranking member of an extraordinarily important committee in the union state senate, you probably should try to two to not debates yourself, overblown mark. Rubio, of course, just tweeting frantically, and it says that if we can shoot down a balloon over Montana than its china's test, us and they know we're not gonna do jack. If china takes over parts jump and our india a middle school are a metal schooler. The embarrassed for four tweeting such things, let alone one of the most powerful. While the senators in Washington dc plays, please give us and sites on the republican over response. All of this,
why I heard you talking about jackasses job, when I heard when I heard that the word jackass Now your mouth eyes, I start trying to conjure up my mind who you might be thinking, I never thought party and, as you know, I spent a long long time studying the mind of Joe Scarborough, and I I did did occur to me that the senator from Florida the road because, under from florida, once known as little marco, might be on your mind, because I'm not just waiting, he was on television when one of the one on one sunday shows set exactly when you say that this is china, sending a message to the world and now he says that that america is in decline. Mercosur is once superpower now in decline, and if what they are telling the world isn't that america can't shoot down a balloon montana god has now moved no way that america could be up
no force a jack conflict in over Taiwan, for instance, as you mentioned, you know, you want a lot of great length about this amid at great length this while on, let me ask you guys, are really reply. Is it? What is it about republicans in the age of prob all they want to do is tear down amerika you have to and crews wishes. American soldiers could be more like russian soldiers you ve got. Little marco talking about the collapse of america, that were we, can the power No, if they ve noticed, but our military is stronger today relative to the rest of the world than any military has been in the history of mankind. This is just an convertible fact and yet they or military they die. drop, says he trusts.
Vladimir putin more than he trusts are intel services. They said they wanted to find the fbi. They try tear down every institution that protects us they wonder why they keep losing elections. we're right show like you, look at me, the examples here. You know you would have thought that we now perhaps that that margaret beyond these are the republicans. Would you know what occasion take note of the fact that I think were to call up, presents let's give ukraine and asked how he feels about the way, the usa's as kathy, the nato alliance together to to to aid ukraine over the course of last year, put them in a position that there are now that no unexpected, I mean really in the world's largest active conflict, there's been no force on other than ukraine itself. On the other side, that had more effect in terms of global
You thought nato would be a strong and unified, as it was certainly not about a report and a year ago, and what has happened instead, Joe Biden has led nato at a place where it has been a steadfast and unified it. Maybe not perfect, but what best performed with it if strengthen resolve that no unexpected and at all that you have to be Joe Biden cheerleaders, say that if you are nato, cheerleader every country is I'd nato would say that, but that escapes marco, apparently because he thinks that he agrees with me- that either the implicit critique they is that he had public, its use. I agree with what they think of the chinese viewers, which is that america is. in in terminal decline, and I dont know I think there is. You would have thought after four years of donald trump saying that he made amerika great again that these folks would have the permission to come out and say you know what america's great again and and not say not well. Amerika from America is such profound decline. What would happen as for years of republican leadership, our donald trump
America great again, I don't understand it to Joe Biden, bring on the decline in the course of the last two years. There is no sense, the things they say it's not in their political interests either. To have this position, it's, not what republicanism has traditionally profited from, which is met exceptionalism the sense that the countries remains the the single singular force for freedom and democracy around the world They seem to want to argue against others. Think about this exocet. It makes no sense that before drugs elected and, by the way, a legal crossings from mexico. but a fifty year low, then, and then he got alighted and all hell. We're just think about this. Choosing about this drugs going around screeching about how the american dream is dead before gets elected and he's going around reaching about what was american savagery or what carnage american carnage when he becomes written, vince
the americans great now now that you got somebody other than donald trump, and there you ve got all of these people running around and I ve been doing you're talking about how weak america is, how a man it is in decline like they're, so busy hating on america there so busy hating on american military they're, doing it again this week and tongue, but how we're now we're not in collide we're stronger than we ve ever been, and I get so sick and tired of hearing people say this since been happening on the show for fifty how china is going to overtake us, china, china, we hear it every day, we every day I will just go. What Warren Buffett said after the crash in two thousand eight. If you bet against you, that stage you gonna lose every time, and yet these republicans TED crews once russian soldiers instead of american soldiers, maybe he should visit a base or two and taxes when we get the best fighter
in the world. We ve got the best men and women in the world. We got the best leaders we ve got the best weapons. We ve got the best military system. We ve got the best training and make it on the point of training. When you want to talk about the superior, the united states- and I makes worker rubio angry. When I talk about how great america is, I know what makes ted whose angry when, when but he's not hating, all the united states, military or the men and women who are the professionals and our intel services. But let me tell you something? U s, ukrainians. Why doing so well right now- fell so yeah, weapons are great but its american knowhow its american training been training since two thousand and fourteen they ve taught us to beetle light on our feet. taught us to go out into the field. They ve taught us. How did not have a top down system like the russians have but bottom up
uniquely american, it's why the ukrainians and shocked the world? It's. Why there's two hundred thousand wash, casualties because ukrainian courage, you crying persistence, but yes, and their weapons a mirror you know how a man I can training. Listen. Our troops are the best in the world through the best they ve ever ban and I'm sorry and tired of republicans trashing, the united states of america and I'm sick and tired of their trashing are men and women and uniform, suggesting we're in decline if you think or in decline. If you want to have russian to remove the russia tat its troops, taxis moved garage. Please please we're not keeping you here, take it if you think wherein decline. If you think we're in decline, then or go from ireland, moscow. It's simple! You know it's conserve them
used to say america love it or leave it, I feel like saying it right now that these republicans, who constantly trash america they constantly france, the united states military, they constantly trash the men and women and the entire community who keep us safer in stand behind a man that says he trusts Vladimir Putin more. he trusts, are professionals in the entire community mika. This is no way to run a party and its sure as hell no way to win elections. Now, it's not, and you bring a good point, first of all, Joe Biden. If, if, if any republican, here, too, look has done a pretty masterful job on the world stage, not only dealing with new, correct ukraine, but working with our partners and strengthening nato. That history will be hang out very kindly on this presidency, but their busy being reflexive. There are busy
reactive to anything, no matter what it is, they will react negatively and again, point about our military, our world partners. Have a lot to say about the? U s: military talk to poles, people in poland when they the second airborne came and help them along the border. Nobody was happier to see the eighties I can airborne than the pole, citizens who three million refugees. Crossing their borders, and there was the eighty second airborne helping getting everything together and then the news came that there will be more permanent troops, since in poland. Nobody more pleased then Paul to hear that they will never be invaded again because they know exactly how strong the? U s, whatever it is. It's like the Republicans, don't say what the world sees, because there are so busy than a mere with their blind or sought and one of the arguments you heard from Republicans
yesterday, it's like well, this never would have happened when president trump was not police officials three different times during the trump ministration yeah and the spy balloon was spotted and what happened or the united states. None of those were shot down. So this is something that Chinese have done before and you're correct his remain as to why a balloon, as opposed to information, it gleaned from the satellites or drones or other matters, and certainly it is a concern. White house officials tell me over the last few days they felt, like their hand, was forced here they had to do something not just because it was we're sensitive military sites outside the message of the ad to send a message, and also because it had become such a story that you couldn't turn on tv or look at twitter without talking about the balloon. To act and they were told the present was told by de o d to wait till it's over water because of the debris field, a fish tell us stretched over about seven miles or so over the atlantic ocean. Certainly at that, happened over land and the pale
but this thing was, it was given a free buses. People could have really by our people could have really been hurt, so they felt like they had. Two way they had to act, and I am told that they felt like the sector if states was debating, would have been www overshadowed by this, they still want that trip to happen. There's a thought that it could be rescheduled before too long, but they made the calculation the now wasn't there. interesting, yeah richard. I say that it is so surreal for you and me people that the former republic. You work for quite a few republican administrations it's a real there have republicans and the senate trashing the united, talking about us being in decline, just cause. Joe Biden and not seeing what may was talking about you talk to the poles and the sector the second airborne cycle that those structure ten feet tall. you can see the pride private paul's there their chests.
Just like the yellow sticking out the so proud that the eighty second airborne is there, the tent mountain division Next, we have a permanent is there, and how could it be that people in foreign lands recognised rightness of the united states military. And yet you have people, ted grows. And Marco rubio trashing them all the time and saying that were weak and in decline to react, One is maybe this makes me and ashore by we. I grew up with the adage that politics stop at the water s edge. The presumption the cold war but other times as the united states came together and they left the partisanship behind we. come along and depressing distance from that it's almost people can't wait. What's so ironic, is the difference between the trump china policy in the mind and china policy is almost nil.
This tremendous continuity between the two four for better or for worse and more broadly, I would think lisbon, some good things about this administration farm, possibly one from america. First to alliance. First, we ve been effective and standing to russia in Europe? We strengthen ties with japan, strengthen eyes with taiwan, with australia with india, so are actually in a much better position deal with china, republican gotta be celebrating. That's the big story. Not this balloon. Bye, bye, richard by the way. Can I can I just say no, we Leave we ve talked about two of them were her high profile. Republicans, let's be fair here, very fair there are a lot of really responsible. Republicans that have been really responsible during the Crazy and war permit the cardinal is actually stood shoulder to shoulder the way you said in a bipartisan manner.
Making sure that that a communist and ex communist member, the kgb doesn't overrun ukraine and there, they they have been strong. I've heard some republic is that of actually praise the fact did Joe Biden, has as again worked with nato. Australia, as you as you said, but worked with Japan, the worked with south korea and now the philip aids to build a really strong to strengthen our alliance to meet people, people that are talking about Biden right I had a lot of horse things to say about the binding, restoration, the decisions that were made on Afghanistan. I know you did too, but if you look at you If you look at europe, if you look at asia alliances there are
stronger and actually cause more of a threat to china than anything donald up ever dreamed of doing when historic I think it says the Biden farm policy just these four years. I think be the lead story. Italy the resurrection of the alliance system, not just in europe, but really building. On the one hand, the asia pacific, what's called the indo Pacific now, while the countries you you you ma, am you mention in japan, the santer, but also australia, south korea, phillipines and even be unarmed, to summits to some extent and that's the big story, though we ve got these two big strategic managers in russia and china and on both counts, Now we are better off than we were in dealing with them. Our right want wanna get This terrible news out of turkey in Syria, where a powerful seven point- eight magnitude, earthquake hit the area killing more. and thirteen hundred people hundreds are.
Still believed to be trapped under rubble there at the centre of the quake was in south central turkey. home too many syrian refugees and the sight of when the largest operations run by the united nations high commissioner for refugees. The power if Syria, that was head is divided between government held territory and the country last opposition held enclave. This is the old, deadliest earthquake since june. When a five point, nine magnitude quake killed more eleven hundred people in afghan. Ten will stay on it and still I have on morning Joe new polling shows. Most americans don't want a twenty twenty four match between donald trump and Joe Biden, were digging. to those new numbers plus what we can expect from present five instead of the union address, including his plans to draw a contract between his leadership so far, and the state of the republican party and embattled
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nomination next year, even before he has officially declared his intention to seek it As for the nominating process, the democratic national committee has adopted a new primary scheduled one that will deal own iowa and new Hampshire as the leader of states and the Democrats presidential nominating says under the new rules, south carolina we'll go first than nevada and new Hampshire, followed by georgia and Michigan. However, the post calendar changes are not yet final. Georgia will need cooperation from Republicans and the state to change the primary date and shows from both sides of the island, new Hampshire, our vowing, to fight the dmz schedule changes and still hold their primary first party officials, giving both states until June third to finalize They are calendars joining us now, chairman of the democratic national committee, Jamie harrison
Jimmy I'll I'll talk to John harmon. For the first question, John MR chairman guy good morning and happy monday. Big move by by year by the democratic party here. in many years. When these traditions, I would go first followed by a meal after by new Hampshire, new hampshire alone, on tuesday now out the window talk to us just one. Through what the calendar now looks like an what the reasoning was begun, and that is that we have some general sense of it, but the reasoning that put these five, this new five apart calendar, in february, looks totally different. What the reasoning Is that what you guys there John John meagre is always great to be with you in a need to say hello
the most every morning, Jove watcher which, if my mom creature but listen, this calendar looks like the democratic party any reflects the diversity of a mayor When you look at it, we start up with three small states. We start with south carolina is chosen it recreating normally every time since nineteen I do with the exception of two thousand and four. With Johnny Edwards John Kerry guy second, here in south, belong we then moves bree days later to two other small states in Hampshire, which has tradition. you ve been the second contact. As you all know, with a new hampshire, new hampshire ratings that spot and then we also add nevada, which elevates latino voters, and then we two to larger states. We gotta georgia, which is the whole of the new south, and then we gonna miss which is at the heart of the hard way through the middle class with bore
So I'm really really excited about this was down. There is, I think it does reflect the best of the democratic party in the best of a mere chairman harrison good morning, Jonathan linear. I know this will be a decision and the order could be re evaluated in four years. That's part of this, but new Hampshire is pretty happy now may say that things have Yes, they're still, second, but are no longer the first primary south carolina has jumped them and we are hearing from four very prominent democrats in that state forget about their elegance. Very upset about and saying they simply won't play ball, so what you gonna do with new again, I know this. For, for a second time, new Hampshire has always been the second presidential nominating contest and they contain he's a whole opposition in this color, but let's take a step back for fifty. Yours, I just turned forty seven yesterday so long when I was alive for fifty years new hampshire. Your ban, the one to step as a result
it's too selecting the next nominee for the democratic party, we're just changing that we're gear more people and more voices and an opportunity to enforce where we go, As a party and where we go as a each now think, that's really important for us to continue along, So this is what we're gonna do. We have told the Hampshire. We will continue to work with you again, They are in the singing spot, actually probably even a little better, because instead of merriment between I weren't rapture, though we three days between south carolina engaged so they're. Still when I have tremendous influence over the process just as much, they ve always had, but we're adding more diverse voices, because our party reflects those diverse sources So once again we are willing to work with them and we will continue to do just that. Yeah demi solar cell, as we make me to give people a historical perspective. Here is like this just now
I mean if you read? Some are bad on the far right does Joe Biden doing this during the election. Far for next year are offered twenty in visa, for twenty four This has been a legitimate complaint among democrats for decades you have to, Why does states in america going? on it to you, only by the end of those two contests. The narrative is framed and but else can get through it- and I remember us commenting on this show after buying crushed in iowa and bind get crushed in new Hampshire. He were saying he's out of the race. I remember us commenting. I wrote a washing proposed article, but I suppose I wait wait. You actually the democratic candidate going to be kicked out of a race before black voters. The democratic parties. Most important constituency even have a say in it.
These two states, as close as they are to our hearts. We love for a thousand different reasons, pertain to the show, and they have said we friends there and I went to answer, but these two states do not reflect the diversity of the Democrats party, and this has been an ongoing complaint for twenty years Joe you hit the nail on the head. You know president buying said when he visited south carolina in the last contest by the time he got. There is therefore, contacts. There were a number of non of It had already dropped out, but, as he said Ninety nine point: nine percent- a black borders had not had the chance to vote at that and that just not should not be african americans and latino americans make up such an important component of the backbone of the EU.
credit artie, and so we need to change things up because things have changed a lot since the nineteenth century, but the democratic party looks very differently than they did the there, and so we have a constantly all- and this is a part of that evolution and I'm proud of this. under, and I think it's only strengthen the democratic party long long trip so state the estate doesn't abide by the rules Do you just not count their primary delegates. Well, there are we we're not gonna get down that road job. What we need palestine mechanisms that give the junior some of them or to use it in order to enforce our job and we will go down their ground. We will but yeah we're gonna, do everything we can to work with our states. Again. Capture is still there When I die or be anybody should be completed, will it be
right, but you still in the same spot that they have always been in the second many contest and we will continue to work with them to ensure that they include participate fully in this process. All right nancy german Jamie Harrison. Thank you so much and patricia thing. You so much fangs waters. We greatly appreciate it. I like him coming up a network of ultra wealthy conservative says it will support a candidate in the twenty twenty, republican presidential primaries and it doesn't sound like it will be donald trump. What and for the former presidents chances to win the nomination plus? revelations that trunk twenty twenty campaign team knew it two in a pivotal, battleground stay but continued to cry fowl voter broad anyway, we'll play for the damning new audio recordings morning, Joe I'll, be right back
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The drill. Comms is gonna, continue to fan the flame and get the word out about democrats trying to steal this election. We will do whatever they need or help with tax just be on standby in case the stunts. We need all the pay points, The man you heard in that audio clip andrew iverson is now the mid west regional director for the republican national committee. He deferred questions about the audio to the rnc which declined to comment Joe. Here we go again. I mean it up and down the line. Well, I'm a banana lie, but it's coming from the very top with donald trump and hi Ullmann. If you will the entire club he begins. By telling everybody, that's assembled, hey, listen timber, the hat to the denmark
they are organised as they get people out there. While they beat us fair and square, now we're gonna have to run around in screech about how Democrats stole this election stew and by the poor quote stance that as part of the story. I think its policy. We would say, If you want to know the rest of the story, theirs I got a promotion. From running with cards and the environment who has region but call eyes he now they lost. He's alerted the room, the Democrats brown organise organizing them and then said, lead scream and yell and say we were. We were rob Election was reg. Let's pull starts that You know the republican party, twenty twenty and twenty twenty two to get a promotion
look you know that's it. It was. It was certainly when you didn't wake twenty twenty one, twenty two and I think we all agree. The big question is whether that continues to be the case. Out of twenty twenty two is as to whether the disorder So you, through the fading relevance of donald trump, whether that will also mean the fading relevance of trump is I think that's kind of the central question facing are our policy. so the republican party, but me and you know Joe, that you think about all the people. Down the line who decided in that moment when that tape was made, that there was no potential cost. No potential real risk to indulging down. from dangerous rhetoric on this front, and we obviously learned to the contrary. But you know I bet- there. If you, if you went into an awful lot of of closed rooms in battle our states that Joe Biden, one, It wasn't supposed to win supposed to win according to the trump people you I very similar tapes and a lot of places where people who,
what at a lot of this data, just as people that, though, at the national level in the campaign and look inside you know we lost larger There was no upside for then professionally to speaking time, anywhere, let alone to power within their party. They pay thought. You know. The thing to do here is the salutes sharply the wise and we get rewarded for that and, as the shows, they did then. Let me give you wanna know Clean illustration, a great illustration of just how cynical republicans were about this election melick. They had lost right still lying publicly look no further than our dear friend, I am a bit ass, they care ron Johnson, remember line, was secretly to pay at the rope. I think, was a republican, conventional, some right wing convention
and he sat there explaining accurately why Donald trump laws began. Sixty thousand less Then our state legislative candidates, he got sixty thousand votes less than the other. Republicans that we're running state why he gets sixty thousand less than this than that wade RON Johnson when he didn't fake was actually being wrong. What did when he didn't think this way the light of day it'd what every republican and was in whatever republican in Michigan. What every republican and pennsylvania? What every republican in georgia? That was the party no right as brad ravenous berger said,. there was a clean election the claim, is so actions ever done at one of donald trump zone, people, those in charge of away integrity said it was the cleanest election in american history buddy. you have these republicans saying why? the Democrats, what this guy sang
our just at work. This right johnson saying it was all done Trump's fault, that's what they say privately, but then they go out publicly and try to undermine american them. here. It is again why do republicans tear down america, Whether republicans are tearing down american military, whether report are tearing down the men, and women who are in the best enforcement agency on the planet. whether they're tearing down american democracy? Why is it the Republicans feel the need to keep tat down america for one guy who will show them absolutely no loyalty, and it looks as if the republican nomination were there's, an independent and destroy the republican party for another eight years,
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