Tensions ballooning with China over espionage effort
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balloon was somehow able to get past our west coast anti balloon defences.
you, seattle, space needle here we were able to keep an eye on it with our sophisticated tracking technology of going like this
Saturday night lie with its tag on china's spy balloon this morning, there are rising diplomat attentions between the: u s and china after a while
our decision to shoot down that massive spy, balloon we'll walk for what happened and take a look at
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till we start with the latest on that chinese spy balloon and the rising tensions with beijing over the binding administrations decision to shoot it down a senior too
sufficient tell and basic news that the pentagon has been analyzing the remnants of the balloon over the past few days after it wish
down off the coast of south carolina on Saturday, according to the defence department, the balloons
First entered u s: airspace on january, twenty eight by way of the aleutian islands, and it then briefly crossed into canada before re entering: u s, territory, on tuesday, via idaho and load
across the mid west of south carolina speaking after
are they shoot down operation? President Biden gave new insight into by the balloon, wasn't brought down sooner.
on wednesday, when I was briefed on the balloon order, the pentagon to shoot it down on Wednesday as soon as possible. I told them and shoot it down on Wednesday. I wanted to make a recommendation that may lead: let's wait till the safest place to do it. The vial
action international law led to the white house, cancelling secretary state, anthony lincoln's, planned visit to beijing last week, which was to have been the first by it.
I've been member. Since the Biden administration took office, that's a message despite multiple,
statements from the chinese government, accusing the white house of over reacting to a so called whether balloon that drifted off course. U S, officials have
go down on their position that the balloon in
in general, I crossed into north america to quote money
her sensitive military sites, so Joe
lot of questions here.
yeah? I mean a lot of questions, a lot of hyperbole alot of a lot of
panting and heavy breathing on twitter over the past weekend?
surprisingly, not really, not surprisingly, alive republicans, making total fools of themselves with statements that they're making about the balloon,
richard eyes. I won't even say their names, because why? Why dignify their remarks with with any comments, but
the pentagon decided
that it would be best not to shoot the balloon down on a wednesday,
the idea we have these people screeching and howling
of congress. Members of the senate. People are supposed to know better about AL
This is the end of western civilization, as we know it, and we backed down this. Is you know this is
The the this is his napoleon retreating and, and you know, the weather as the russians got it
again the lunacy as if they don't spy on us and we don't spy on them. Let me let me step
to the fray. Here with you and singing
that, yes, this is a problem and it's a problem that needed to be
kara and was a problem that we need it.
talk to the chinese about what we can do, that
if we're cancelling the first, a diplomatic mission that we
there since bide was pressed the united states. Was it a mistake? They cancel that meeting despite the balloon over montana
I think it was. I would have gone ahead with the with the diplomacy that would have given secretary state the first chance and a half dozen years to cheat to speak with she's in paying was the only person there who really matters. We ve got a normous issues on the agenda, including growing chinese support for russia, in what
doing in ukraine
We we don't want taiwan to trigger a war between the world's two largest economy.
So we have real issues to discuss where china not
First time they ve sent balloons over after some mystery here, Joe as to why
it's one seems to have been lower. Why it was observed. The one thing
pretty sure is that, even though china was intentional and sending surveillance balloon this way, they were not intentional. They did not want to disrupt this summit.
And has been on a charm offensive for the last few months. Ever since president, she Biden met in bali. They want things
calm down if they wanted to close a cry
this between the united states trust me. They got a lot of ways to do it and my guess
again, oh it's with taiwan. So I think this
truly unintentional. I
where we are, we probably got a wrong and cancelling the visit, and I think the criticisms that we should have
down sooner
It was not something where the Chinese learned a whole lot as best I can tell. We seem to have interfered with the ability
the balloon to to glean certain intelligence
you pointed out, that's hardly
only area of surveillance or espionage that they carry out on us or vice versa,
This makes our hearts are they are that again are that we carry out on down this truth.
The fact is that so
Applicants are so shocked at this actually happens horrified babby. We do it all the time
We we survey them all the time. It's what
happens and again this is this, is,
encourage them and we should treat it seriously by should we do
where, at the end of western civilization, should we cancel a summit when we have again, like you, said
a war in ukraine there and we ve, got to talk to she because right now she has been the person alive.
With Modi that sent the message to Putin. Hey if you use tax,
community nuclear weapons. All bets are off we're.
where we're going to come out strongly against you and that that's you know they they there
putting boundaries around and prudent and
Then you, like you, said we have taiwan, that's that's of growing concern. We ve got an actor
slow down. We need to work there. There are thousands of issues that the world's last
two superpowers need to discuss that we have,
it was gas on is level and again this is one of them
just grow up moments. Yes, it happened. Yes, it's bad, let's take it to the table and talk dishes
about it absolutely. This is why, god invented diplomacy,
diplomacy, not because you don't have problems with the questions you do. This
the cuban missile crisis. This is not a major is hist event in the history of
of the modern world. Again
and see the Chinese were out to make a larger quantity. We don't exactly know who authorize this and when it was authorized, we don't know what
intentions, war other. Then they clearly were sending a balloon together. Some kind of information
The point not I'll stop, which is that in crises it sometimes good too,
things sounded the republic and hyper ventilating here it seems,
it goes against crisis management. The whole idea is too slow things down
things down, not overreact and so forth. That's the less
Kennedy handled the missile crisis. So again,
actually think the administration god at about right, not acting precipitously, shooting it down when it was over over water, and now, I think,
The challenge is to get things back on track
again less of a need: diaper ventilate, if you're talking about a below
well stocked us enable emerged during the war. Again, this serious, we ve talked about it being serious, but some of the statements from the republicans, especially in the senate, I've just been
some nine and these jackass is going out again I'll get my shop when she found the blank
of seriously they again, they just limit clowns of themselves. That's bringin! Right now from beijing and b c news, foreign correspondent, janice, maggie
your janis good morning, annie
in size to them
following that interrupted? What was going to be a very important diplomatic meeting between tony blanket and president J,
well, there's no surprise that there is a official outrage here in china,
at the foreign ministry. Today was not revealing much more about the balloon to shore up the claim that its
civilian airship by gathering information on the weather. However, spokesperson did
say that that second balloon that was spotted over latin america is also chinese
It is also civilian and it was also blown off course now that the statement that was
these yesterday by the foreign ministry blasted
you asked south for over reacting for using force for shooting down the balloon and the defence ministry also said that it reserved the right to act for
if necessary. So it points. U S, china,
nations in a very awkward spot. Considering the secretary of state is supply
to be here right now having those first meetings with chinese
officials that were seen as the best possible chance in years to reset relations
china's spies on the? U s, and, and vice versa is certainly no secret between these two sides
yesterday with jewel bull
is our former senior colonel, with
p allay now with a think tank, and we talked about china's options. This has nothing to do with military confidence, also babies,
is he an accident and we have expressed their regret, openness and a for a busy night stays believe in it
and I cannot see any reason why the s governess should not believe it except to make it. You know that political use of it
so that this should be over americans, surveillance and reconnaissance by ships airport drums
The council yeah on a new basis, and that is intentional
and as a do not want to keep it a secret
with our chinese leadership, wants to escalate. The situation they claim was accidental is,
clear. A lot of the commentary here is painting what the? U s,
did as a provocation. Asthma attack wallets
romania, the? U s is being moss for over reacting what
Sir news, certainly among is some of the analysis that I'm reading from the? U S is that there is the thought. A precedent has now been set.
That us S, surveillance operations in the region could now be targeted, and certainly anything that happens in the near future. That involves the. U s and Taiwan is certainly going to raise the temperature here or if something is discovered, not debris field considering.
proximity of that balloon to those sensitive sites, but several days and a downed balloon into this. China still
in saying who belongs to or what it was doing. There
all they will say, is that they are outraged and that they reserve the right for further repercussions. Joe sean
on and deeply saddened our. I thank you so much and we see Jackie mackey for it
atta smacking breyer. Thank you so much it's early here. Thank you,
during your boarding is always greatly appreciate it, so
John? I am, and I said I was going to mention any names, but it seems to me that if you're, a ranking member of an extraordinarily important committee in the union
state senate, you probably
should try to two to not debates yourself, overblown mark.
Rubio, of course, just tweeting frantically, and it says that if we can
shoot down a balloon over Montana than its china's test,
us and they know we're not gonna do jack. If china takes over parts jump and our india
a middle school are
a metal schooler.
The embarrassed for
four tweeting such things, let alone one of the most powerful.
While the senators in Washington dc plays, please give us
and sites on the republican over response. All of this,
why I heard you talking about jackasses job, when I heard when I heard that the word jackass
Now your mouth eyes, I start trying to conjure up my mind who you might be thinking,
I never thought party and, as you know,
I spent a long long time studying the mind of Joe Scarborough, and I I did
did occur to me that the senator from Florida
the road because, under from florida, once known as little marco, might be on your mind, because I'm not just waiting, he was on television when one of the one on one
sunday shows set exactly when you say that this is china, sending a message to the world
and now he says that that america is in
decline.
Mercosur is once superpower now in decline, and if
what they are telling the world isn't that america can't shoot down a balloon
montana
god has now moved no way that america could be up
no force a jack conflict in over Taiwan, for instance, as you mentioned, you know, you want a lot of great length about this amid at great length
this while on, let me ask you guys, are really reply. Is it? What is it about republicans in the age of prob
all they want to do is tear down amerika you have to
and crews
wishes. American soldiers could be more like russian soldiers you ve got.
Little marco talking about the collapse of america, that were we,
can the power
No, if they ve noticed, but our military is stronger today relative
to the rest of the world than any
military has been in the history of
mankind. This is just an
convertible fact and yet
they or military they die.
drop, says he trusts.
Vladimir putin more than he trusts are intel services. They said
they wanted to find the fbi. They try
tear down every institution that protects us
they wonder why they keep losing elections.
we're right show like you, look at me,
the examples here. You know you would have thought that we now perhaps that that margaret beyond these are the republicans. Would you know what occasion
take note of the fact that I think
were to call up, presents let's give ukraine and asked how he feels about
the way, the usa's as kathy,
the nato alliance together to to to aid ukraine over the course of last year,
put them in a position that there are now that no unexpected, I mean really in the world's largest active conflict, there's been
no force on other than ukraine itself. On the other side,
that had more effect in terms of global
You thought nato would be a strong and unified, as it was certainly not about a report and a year ago, and what has happened instead, Joe Biden has led nato at a place where it has been a steadfast and unified it. Maybe not perfect, but what best performed with it
if strengthen resolve that no unexpected and at all that you have to be
Joe Biden cheerleaders, say that if you are nato, cheerleader every country is
I'd nato would say that, but that escapes
marco, apparently because he thinks that he agrees with me-
that either the implicit critique they is that he had
public, its use. I agree with what they think of the chinese viewers, which is that america is.
in in terminal decline, and I dont know I think there is. You would have thought after four years of donald trump saying that he
made amerika great again that these folks would have the permission
to come out and say you know what america's great again and and not
say not well. Amerika from America is such profound decline. What would happen
as for years of republican leadership, our donald trump
America great again, I don't understand it to Joe Biden, bring on
the decline in the course of the last two years.
There is no sense, the things they say it's not in their political interests either. To have this position,
it's, not what republicanism has traditionally profited from, which is met
exceptionalism the sense that the countries remains the the single singular force for freedom and democracy around the world
They seem to want to argue against others. Think about this
exocet. It makes no sense that before
drugs elected
and, by the way, a legal crossings from mexico.
but a fifty year low, then, and then he got alighted and all hell. We're just think about this. Choosing about this
drugs going around screeching about how the american dream is dead before
gets elected and he's going around
reaching about
what was american savagery or what carnage american carnage when he becomes written, vince
the americans great now now that you got
somebody other than donald trump, and there you ve got all of these
people running around and I ve been doing you're talking about how weak america is, how a man
it is in decline like they're, so
busy hating on america there so busy hating on american military they're, doing it again this week and tongue, but how we're
now we're not in collide we're stronger than we ve ever been, and I get so sick and tired of hearing
people say this since been happening on the show for fifty how china is going to overtake us, china, china,
we hear it every day, we
every day I will just go.
What Warren Buffett said after the crash in two thousand eight. If you bet against you,
that stage you gonna lose every time, and yet these republicans TED crews once
russian soldiers instead of american soldiers, maybe he should visit a base or two and taxes
when we get the best fighter
in the world. We ve got the best men and women
in the world. We got the best leaders we ve got the best weapons. We ve got the best military system. We ve got the best training and make it on the point of training. When you want to talk about the superior, the united states- and I
makes worker rubio angry. When I talk about how great america is, I know what makes ted
whose angry when, when
but he's not hating, all the united states, military or the men and women who are the professionals and our intel services. But let me tell you
something? U s, ukrainians. Why
doing so well right now- fell so yeah,
weapons are great but its american knowhow
its american training
been training since two thousand and fourteen they ve taught us to beetle light on our feet.
taught us to go out into the field. They ve taught us. How did not have a top
down system like the russians have but bottom up
uniquely american, it's why the ukrainians and shocked the world? It's. Why there's two hundred thousand wash,
casualties because
ukrainian courage, you crying
persistence, but yes,
and their weapons a mirror
you know how a man
I can training. Listen. Our troops are the best in the world through the best they ve ever ban and I'm sorry
and tired of republicans trashing, the united states of america and I'm sick and tired of their trashing are men and women and uniform, suggesting we're in decline if you think
or in decline. If you want to have russian to remove the russia tat its troops,
taxis moved garage. Please please we're not
keeping you here, take it if you think wherein decline. If you think we're in decline, then
or go from ireland,
moscow. It's simple! You know it's conserve them
used to say america love it or leave it, I feel
like saying it right now that these republicans, who constantly trash america they constantly
france, the united states military, they constantly trash the men and women and the entire community who keep us safer in stand behind a man that says he trusts Vladimir Putin more.
he trusts, are professionals in the entire community mika. This is no way to run
a party and its sure as hell no way to win elections. Now, it's not, and you bring a good point, first of all, Joe Biden. If, if, if any republican,
here, too, look has done a pretty masterful job on the world stage, not only dealing with new, correct
ukraine, but working with our partners and strengthening nato. That history will be
hang out very kindly on this presidency, but their busy being reflexive. There are busy
reactive to anything, no matter what it is, they will react negatively and again,
point about our military, our world partners.
Have a lot to say about the? U s: military talk to poles, people in poland when they
the second airborne came and help them along the border. Nobody was happier to see the eighties
I can airborne than the pole,
citizens who
three million refugees.
Crossing their borders, and there was the eighty second airborne helping getting
everything together and then the news came that there will be more permanent troops,
since in poland. Nobody more pleased then Paul
to hear that they will never be invaded again because they know exactly how
strong the? U s,
whatever it is. It's like the Republicans, don't say what the world sees, because there are so busy
than a mere with their blind or sought
and one of the arguments you heard from Republicans
yesterday, it's like well, this never would have happened when president trump was not police officials three different times during the trump ministration yeah and the spy balloon was spotted and what happened or the united states. None of those were shot down. So this is something that Chinese have done before and you're correct
his remain as to why a balloon, as opposed to information,
it gleaned from the satellites or drones or other matters, and certainly it is a concern. White house officials tell me over the last few days they felt, like their hand, was forced here they had to do something not just because it was
we're sensitive military sites outside the message of the ad to send a message, and also because it had become such a story that you couldn't turn on tv or look at twitter without talking about the balloon.
To act and they were told the present was told by
de o d to wait till it's over water because of the debris field, a fish
tell us stretched over about seven miles or so over the atlantic ocean. Certainly at that,
happened over land and the pale
but this thing was, it was given a free buses. People could have really by our people could have really been hurt, so they felt like they had. Two way
they had to act, and I am told that they felt like the sector if states was debating, would have been
www overshadowed by this, they still want that trip to happen. There's a thought that it could be rescheduled before too long, but they made the calculation the now wasn't there.
interesting, yeah
richard. I say that it is so surreal for you and me people that
the former republic. You work for quite a few republican administrations
it's a real there have republicans and the senate trashing the united,
talking about us being in decline, just cause.
Joe Biden and not seeing what may
was talking about you talk to the poles and the sector
the second airborne cycle that those structure ten feet tall.
you can see the pride private paul's there their chests.
Just like the yellow sticking out the so proud that the eighty second airborne is there, the tent
mountain division
Next, we have a permanent
is there, and how could it be that people
in foreign lands recognised
rightness of the united states military. And yet you have people,
ted grows. And Marco rubio trashing them all the time and saying that were weak and in decline to react,
One is maybe this makes me
and ashore by we. I grew up with the adage that politics stop at the water s edge. The presumption
the cold war but other times as the united states came together and they left the partisanship behind we.
come along and depressing distance from that it's almost
people can't wait. What's so ironic, is the difference between the trump china
policy in the mind and china policy is almost nil.
This tremendous continuity between the two four for better or for worse and more broadly, I would think
lisbon, some good things about this administration farm, possibly one from america. First to alliance. First, we ve been effective and standing
to russia in Europe? We strengthen ties with japan, strengthen
eyes with taiwan, with australia with india, so are actually in a much better position
deal with china, republican
gotta be celebrating. That's the big story. Not this balloon. Bye, bye,
richard by the way. Can I can I just say no, we
Leave we ve talked about two of them were her high profile. Republicans, let's be fair here, very fair
there are a lot of really responsible. Republicans that have been really responsible during the
Crazy and war permit
the cardinal is actually stood shoulder to shoulder the way you said in a bipartisan manner.
Making sure that that a communist and ex communist member, the kgb
doesn't overrun ukraine and there,
they they have been strong. I've heard some republic
is that of actually praise the fact did Joe Biden,
has as again worked with nato.
Australia, as you as you said, but worked with Japan, the worked with south korea and now the philip
aids to build a really strong to strengthen our alliance to meet people, people that are talking about Biden right
I had a lot of horse things to say about the binding,
restoration, the decisions that were made on Afghanistan. I know you did too, but if you look at you
If you look at europe, if you look at asia
alliances there are
stronger and actually cause more of a threat to china than anything donald
up ever dreamed of doing when historic
I think it says the Biden farm policy just these four years. I think
be the lead story. Italy
the resurrection of the alliance system, not just in europe, but really
building. On the one hand, the asia pacific, what's called the indo Pacific now, while the countries you you you ma, am you mention in japan,
the santer, but also australia, south korea, phillipines
and even be unarmed, to summits to some extent and that's the big story, though we ve got these two big strategic
managers in russia and china and on both counts,
Now we are better off than we were in dealing with them. Our right want wanna get
This terrible news out of turkey in Syria, where a powerful seven point- eight
magnitude, earthquake hit the area killing more.
and thirteen hundred people hundreds are.
Still believed to be trapped under rubble there at the centre of the quake was in south central turkey.
home too many syrian refugees and the sight of when the largest operations run by the united nations high commissioner for refugees. The power
if Syria, that was head is divided between government held territory and the country
last opposition held enclave. This is the
old, deadliest earthquake since june. When a five point, nine magnitude quake killed more
eleven hundred people in afghan.
Ten will stay on it and still I have on morning Joe new polling shows. Most americans don't want a twenty twenty four
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past the our president Biden speaking friday. They democratic national committees, annual winter meaning in philadelphia. At this point, president Biden faces no meaningful opposition,
His leadership of the democratic party and a smooth too,
nomination next year, even before he has
officially declared his intention to seek it
As for the nominating process, the democratic national committee has adopted a new primary scheduled one that will deal
own iowa and new Hampshire as the leader of states and the Democrats presidential nominating
says under the new rules, south carolina we'll go first than nevada and new Hampshire, followed by georgia and Michigan. However, the
post calendar changes are not yet final. Georgia will need cooperation from Republicans and the state to change the primary date and
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giving both states until June third to finalize
They are calendars joining us now, chairman of the democratic national committee, Jamie harrison
Jimmy I'll I'll talk to John harmon. For the first question, John
MR chairman guy good morning and happy monday. Big move by by year by the democratic party here.
in many years. When these traditions, I would go first
followed by a meal
after by new Hampshire, new hampshire alone,
on tuesday now out the window talk to us just one.
Through what the calendar now looks like an
what the reasoning was begun,
and that is that we have some general sense of it, but the reasoning that put these five, this new five apart calendar,
in february, looks totally different. What the reasoning
Is that what you guys there
John John meagre is always great to be with you in a need to say hello
the most every morning, Jove watcher which, if my mom creature but listen, this calendar looks like the democratic party any reflects the diversity of a mayor
When you look at it, we start up with three small states. We start with south carolina is chosen it
recreating normally every time since nineteen I do with the exception of two thousand and four.
With Johnny Edwards John Kerry guy second, here in south, belong
we then moves bree days later to two other small states in Hampshire, which has tradition.
you ve been the second contact. As you all know,
with a new hampshire, new hampshire ratings that spot
and then we also add nevada, which elevates latino voters, and then we
two to larger states. We gotta georgia, which is the whole of the new south, and then we gonna miss
which is at the heart of the hard way through the middle class with bore
So I'm really really excited about this was down. There is, I think it does reflect the best of the democratic party in the best of a mere
chairman harrison good morning, Jonathan linear. I know this will be a decision and the order could be re evaluated in four years. That's part of this, but new Hampshire is pretty
happy now may say that things have
Yes, they're still, second, but are no longer the first primary south carolina has jumped them and we are hearing from four very prominent democrats in that state forget about their elegance.
Very upset about and saying they simply won't play ball, so what you gonna do with new again, I know
this. For, for a second time, new Hampshire
has always been the second presidential nominating contest and they contain
he's a whole opposition in this color, but let's take a step back for fifty.
Yours, I just turned forty seven yesterday so long
when I was alive for fifty years
new hampshire. Your ban, the one to step as a result
it's too selecting the next nominee for the democratic party, we're just changing that we're gear
more people and more voices and an opportunity to enforce where we go,
As a party and where we go as a each now think, that's really important for us to continue along,
So this is what we're gonna do. We have told the Hampshire. We will continue to work with you again,
They are in the singing spot, actually probably even a little better, because instead of merriment
between I weren't rapture, though we three days between south carolina engaged so they're. Still
when I have tremendous influence over the process just as much,
they ve always had, but we're
adding more diverse voices, because our party reflects those diverse sources
So once again we are willing to work with them and we will continue to do just that.
Yeah demi solar cell, as we make me to give people a historical perspective. Here is like this just now
I mean if you read? Some are bad on the far right does
Joe Biden doing this during the election. Far for next year are offered twenty in visa, for twenty four
This has been a legitimate complaint among
democrats for decades you have to,
Why does states in america going?
on it to you,
only by the end of those two contests. The narrative is framed and
but else can get through it- and I remember us commenting on this show after buying
crushed in iowa and bind get crushed in new Hampshire.
He were saying he's out of the race. I remember us commenting. I wrote a washing proposed article, but I suppose I wait wait. You actually the democratic candidate
going to be kicked out of a race before black voters.
The democratic parties. Most important constituency even
have a say in it.
These two states, as close as they are to our hearts. We love for a thousand different reasons, pertain to the show, and they have said
we friends there and I went to answer, but these two states do not reflect the diversity of the Democrats
party, and this has been an ongoing complaint for twenty years
Joe you hit the nail on the head. You know president buying said when he visited south carolina in the last contest by the time he got. There is therefore,
contacts. There were a number of non of
It had already dropped out, but, as he said
Ninety nine point: nine percent- a black borders had not had the chance to vote at that and that just not should not be
african americans and latino americans make up such an important component of the backbone of the EU.
credit artie, and so we need to change things up because things have changed a lot since the nineteenth century, but the democratic party looks very differently than they did the there, and so we have a constantly
all- and this is a part of that evolution and I'm proud of this.
under, and I think it's only strengthen the democratic party long long trip so
state the estate doesn't abide by the rules
Do you just not count their primary delegates.
Well, there are we we're not gonna get down that road job. What we need
palestine mechanisms that give the junior some of them
or to use it in order to enforce our job and
we will go down their ground. We will but yeah we're gonna, do everything we can to work with our states. Again. Capture is still there
When I die or be anybody should be completed, will it be
right, but you still in the same spot that they have always been in the second
many contest and we will continue to work with them
to ensure that they include participate fully in this process. All right
nancy german Jamie Harrison. Thank you so much and patricia thing.
You so much fangs waters. We greatly appreciate it. I like him coming up a network of ultra wealthy conservative says it will support a candidate in the twenty twenty,
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revelations that trunk twenty twenty campaign team knew it
two in a pivotal, battleground stay but continued to cry fowl
voter broad anyway, we'll play for
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Forty eight past the hour alive. Look at the white house on a beautiful morning here in washington. The associated press has released new audio recordings of a trump campaign, staffer back
november of twenty twenty two days after election day. Specifically, the audio is from the trunk.
campaign manager in wisconsin, offering
behind the scenes. Look at how the campaign there knew they'd lost two demo.
in the state but continued to pray.
Mode allegations of voter fraud anyway,
The drill. Comms is gonna, continue to fan the flame and get the word out about democrats trying to steal this election. We will do whatever they need or help with tax just be on standby in case the stunts. We need all the pay points,
The man you heard in that audio clip andrew
iverson is now the mid west regional director for the republican national committee. He deferred
questions about the audio to the rnc which declined to comment
Joe. Here we go again. I mean it up and down the line.
Well, I'm a banana lie, but it's coming from the very top with donald trump and
hi Ullmann. If you will
the entire club he begins.
By telling everybody, that's assembled, hey, listen timber, the hat to the denmark
they are organised as they get people out there. While they beat us fair and square, now
we're gonna have to run around in screech about how
Democrats stole this election stew
and by the poor quote stance that
as part of the story. I think its policy.
We would say,
If you want to know the rest of the story, theirs
I got a promotion.
From running with cards and
the environment who has region but call eyes
he now they lost. He's alerted the room, the Democrats
brown organise organizing them and then said,
lead scream and yell and say we were. We were rob
Election was reg. Let's pull starts that
You know the republican party, twenty twenty and twenty twenty two to get a promotion
look you know that's it. It was. It was certainly when you didn't wake twenty twenty one, twenty two and I think we all agree. The big question is whether that continues to be the case.
Out of twenty twenty two is as to whether the disorder
So you, through the fading relevance of donald trump, whether that will also mean the fading relevance of trump is
I think that's kind of the central question facing are our policy.
so the republican party, but me
and you know Joe, that you think about all the people.
Down the line who decided in that moment when that tape was made, that there was no potential cost.
No potential real risk to
indulging down.
from dangerous rhetoric on this front, and we obviously learned to the contrary. But you know I bet-
there. If you, if you went into an awful lot of of closed rooms in battle
our states that Joe Biden, one,
It wasn't supposed to win supposed to win according to the trump people you
I very similar tapes and a lot of places where people who,
what at a lot of this data, just as people
that, though, at the national level in the campaign and look inside you know we lost
larger
There was no upside for then professionally to speaking time,
anywhere, let alone to power within their
party. They pay thought. You know. The thing to do here is the salutes sharply
the wise and
we get rewarded for that and, as the shows, they did
then. Let me give you wanna know
Clean illustration, a great illustration of just how cynical republicans
were about this election melick.
They had lost
right still lying publicly look no further than our
dear friend, I am a bit
ass, they care ron Johnson, remember line, was secretly to pay at the rope.
I think, was a republican, conventional, some right wing convention
and he sat there explaining accurately why Donald trump laws began. Sixty thousand less
Then our state legislative candidates, he got sixty thousand votes less than the other.
Republicans that we're running state why he gets sixty thousand less than this than that
wade RON Johnson when he didn't fake
was actually being wrong.
What did when he didn't think this way
the light of day
it'd what every republican and was
in whatever republican in Michigan. What every republican and pennsylvania? What every republican in georgia? That was the party no right
as brad ravenous berger said,.
there was a clean election
the claim, is so actions ever done at one of donald trump zone, people, those in charge of away
integrity said it was the cleanest election in american history buddy.
you have these republicans saying why?
the Democrats, what this guy sang
our just at work. This right
johnson saying it was all done
Trump's fault, that's what they say privately, but then they go out publicly
and try to undermine american them.
here. It is again why do republicans tear down america,
Whether republicans are tearing down
american military, whether report
are tearing down the men, and women
who are in the best
enforcement agency on the planet.
whether they're tearing down american democracy? Why is it the Republicans feel the need to keep tat
down america for one guy who will show them
absolutely no loyalty, and it looks as if the republican nomination were
there's, an independent and destroy the republican party for another eight years,
can add to that list, roger stone, who, I think said you know, if we don't win, I think he used f. You just say a few to people like that they planned on changing all the way through.
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