Good morning and welcome to morning Joe it's Wednesday April thirteenth. We want to do update you right away on the major story that broke we were on the air. Yesterday morning, the very This is the worst shooting in the history of the New York City Subway. This morning a man hunt is still under way for the person who opened fire and that crowded subway car during rush hour yesterday, police are currently calling it a man they are connected. To the shooting a person of interest he's sick the two year old, Frank James, and why the identified him. Last night, nearly twelve hours after the shooting police say I rented, a U Haul Van in Philadelphia which was found. Yes. Afternoon about five miles from the thirty six street station, where the shooter occurred a key the ban along with a credit card with James Name on it were found at the scene. Operational sound the hand used three magazine clips a hatchet and a bag filled with

fireworks gasoline and two unused smoke: canisters police. Say James has addresses in Wisconsin and Philadelphia, but it's not clear what, if any, action he has to New York according to the our times James has posted dozens of videos on social media with bigoted views and recently has criticized the policies of new. Ex Ante mayor Eric Adams? It was just before a yesterday when the attack began on a Manhattan bound in train in the sunset park, neighborhood of Brooklyn police say at least ten people were shot at least thirteen others were hurt when the suspect Thirty three rounds from a handgun and set off to smoke. stirs as the train pole into the station, many of those injured collapsed the subway platform, while others were helped to safety. The good this morning is that all of the victims are expected to survive. I had

it's morning New York City Mayor Eric Adams joins us, live plus two of the city. Former police Commissioner Bill Bratton, and If and the head of the M T is our guest as well what he says about the rise? in crime on the city's subway this then, and what can be done about it? Well, eight full line up on that stories that continue to pursue the suspect here, the person of interest, another story that broke yesterday during morning, Joe the massive jump in inflation, soaring prices on everything from food to rent to gas, the White House, of course, playing attention rolling out new efforts to help stem the costs that the gas station, the grocery store and just about everywhere else. We also following significant developments in the war in Ukraine. After multiple rounds of peace talks with the ukrainian officials, Russian Pray, if Vladimir Putin says those negotiations has hit a dead end in his a joint news conference yesterday with one of his only remaining allies, the President Bela Roofs, Alexander Lukashenko, Putin vat

press on with the invasion pledging. Russia's military operation will continue until it's full. Completion the New York Times ports it this way. The operations goals he said centred on the Dun Basque region in Eastern Ukraine, where poor Russia separatists had been fighting is two thousand fourteen. It was the first time Mr Putin himself had effectively defined a more limited aim for the war focusing on control of the dawn bats and not all of Ukraine, which was Putin and his subordinates of said, should not even be an independent country The russian leader also blamed Ukraine for the peace talks. Failing Claying Moscow has no choice but to press on after he said Russia was falsely accused of committing war crimes in butcher. be noted, even while others, his thoughts were taking place. Most were. Russia was serious about reaching an agreement,

for the first time President Biden has publicly called Russia's actions in Ukraine, a genocide, your family budget, your ability to fill up your tat. None of us should hinge on whether a dictator declares war commit genocide. a world away? The comment ratchets up the rhetoric on the invasion but, unlike when Biden, first called Putin a war criminal, the president is not walking back his comments on genocide

yes, I called a genocide because it'd become clearer and clearer. The truth is just trying to wipe out the idea. We'd be able to be creating the mount. The evidence is mounting the different than it was last week. The more evidence is coming out of literally the horrible things that the Russians have done in Ukraine and we're going to only learn more and more about the devastation and what about the lawyers decide as internationally, whether or not it qualifies, but it sure seems that way to me, Ukraine. In President Volodymyr Zelensky later thanked President Biden in a tweet calling the comment quote true words of a true leader Joe. How right with us, we have the president of the council on Foreign relations, Richard Haass. The host of way too early and white has Spirit cheap at politico then let me know, really struck by why Joe Biden said Willie when he said that that

is that Putin wanted to wipe out the very idea of being ukrainian and that you know, I I told you- and you know- I've been going back reading doctor- presents keys, works on the Soviet Union to see the parallels between the old Soviet Union, Vladimir Putin to say, really there's really not much of a difference at all in his mindset and in eight to two eighty three doktor presence, he said The Russians have done throughout history. What the Soviets do is they want to white smaller, weaker countries out, and they want like the mountain militarily economically, and biologically, and we use the term biologically. I sort of flinched exactly what they I do your welly here with us, no question about it. I've been here one of his many miscalculations- was that he believed Ukraine wanted what he wanted, which is to be reunified with Russia to be back with the old Soviet Union, and

finding a country that may be smaller, Richard Haass, but it's certainly not weaker, given the way they put up this fight, and now these sort of moving the pulse and Talking about his goals yesterday as being Donbass, not necessarily key, which it was about a month ago, much is clear. What's less clear is what does he mean by Donbass? There's the donbass, then there's the donbass to what Russia has been controlling since two thousand and fourteen there's a larger area of it, and we also don't know really whether that's a foothold and then he once again go back to his more ambitious aims if he ever worked very to gain control, although overall that done bus, I think we ve got to take all this with the greatest so dearly thinking said yesterday, that I thought was patently true was the peace talks have reached a dead end? For now I thought that was a rare moments of honesty and accuracy.

Why was? I was just going to say richer that he lies all the time as well, as my other would say, of certain people. You know they lie even when telling the truth would be better for him he's just a liar, so you have to sort through everything he says, but there is no doubt you look at him talking about the peace talks coming to an end get some of the other things he sang to try to appear. Throw down the gauntlet but him talking about the Dun Dunbar and again. What does that mean? Is it the Dunbar's, pre invasion or the new lines at ease, sketched out and to me it's funny, that's actually what I focused on because now he's resetting expectations for domestic consumption, so he can get the done or some part of it and go at calm and say: hey, we want we, exactly what we wanted to do. not the weakest man in Europe and by Russia's, not the sick man of Europe and our armies, not a third grade army

He came and accomplished our mission, even though, of course, the rest of the world will know he's so he's resetting expectations and downplaying quite dramatically, I agree Joe, and in that sense it is clear progress. What's open now as one whether he can do it. It's not it's a foregone conclusion that he can't he can hold what he has much less to expand that and then there's the real question of what can Ukraine live with? What could President Zelensky live because what's happened? Now is not where we were seven weeks ago and because of the atrocities that we know about because of the atrocities, I fear Joe we're going to learn about my

hence as their willingness to compromise on certain issues I would think is much less than it was. So I see nothing here that suggests to me. After this large said, peace battle, we seem to be heading towards the necessary. We ve got the basis for a serious negotiation, so Jonathan their exports with others consternation a few weeks ago, when President Biden called Boot in a war criminal when he said he must be removed from power, after which every foreign policy what said both of those are true. this time, though, using the term genocide, which is a legal term, there's a lot behind that and then stepping up for cameras and saying yeah, I meant exactly what I said yeah, because both times he went out ahead of the rest of the administration previously on the war criminal thing and the idea of saying Pooja Roof empower the one asking to quickly walk that back. In fact, it was his closing speech on his Europe trip when he said Putin should be ousted within minutes, see your wife's fears were saying Bruno. He doesn't actually mean that this time he finally said. No, I meant that that work. That word was.

plan. It was not. The script does not the cuff remark, but the White House has learned that present boot. Present Biden has been largely right about these things that he's been getting out ahead of public sentiment and the rest of the poor policy community and Europe, it's mostly not unanimously, mostly agrees with him, so there was no effort to walk that back yesterday, although indeed genocide is a legal term, and next steps remains to be seen, but certainly western officials are to Richard's point plot planning. Now they think there is going to be this huge set piece battle in the donbass they're trying to get weapons there to the Ukrainians as quickly as possible. As presence of send signals that he's not sure, He be willing to accept any sort of a gush of something that involves giving territory to Russia in light of the atrocities committed in Boucher and other place, and that's just it Joe. The world is watching with its own eyes what Russia's June we see on our screens every day. So when president, by news of terms like war, criminal and genocide, the war, I can say yeah, that's what we're watching

yeah, no doubt about it, and it's so fascinating to see. Is eventually these efforts to move towards a peace agreement, but the reasons Vladimir Putin make Mika head, if there's no peace efforts are dead right now is because he continues to look for when Zelensky yesterday, reminding him that his forty eight hour war in Ukraine to take over Kiev and the rest of the country is now gone on more than forty eight days what's happened over the forty eight days he's had to retreat from key humiliation laws convoys going in to dominate that city ended up Blown to pieces by bye, bye. if by women driving trucks out to the convoy blowing russian armoured vehicles up and driving back into the city. They beaten a hasty retreat there there, their morale is at an all time low, and so so There is no guarantee that they're going to be will the clean up the Dunbar's, and then

we're going to have something to negotiate at the end and we're going to be able to see a negotiation here. It is still fluid on the ground, and I think right now the biggest challenge provide a mere pertinent getting to the getting to be, drugs is a fact, his arm can't win anything well that endangers. Will morale being love one? A pit of lumber Putin's closest allies in Ukraine is reported to have been captured and photos are being posted of. That man all over the place, but in an effort to help ukrainian forces fighting on the ground, and the White House is to send more weapons to the war torn country, US officials say the new way. could be worth. Seven hundred fifty million dollars and may be announced as early as this week? The package is likely to include and with new capabilities such as seventeen helicopters and unmanned drone ships? The equipment is specifically aimed at helping

ukrainian forces fighting the Russians in the Eastern Dumbass Region, where Moscow may launch a new offensive in the coming weeks. So joining us now with in that reporting is Pentagon, correspondent for the Washington Post, current emerging and current thanks for being on. I understand some of these weapons that are being sent and if you can maybe give us more specifics here, they're going to require training. So I just get a sense of the timeline. When you went when the White House decides to send weapons, what does it take to get into the hands of the Ukrainians and being used against the Russians. Sure generally speaking, the track record of car has been once the announcement is formerly made, which it has not been yet. This is still a preliminary document that we've been reporting on at this stage, once the final decision has been made and the

Actual order to to send that out is given. It's only taken them about four days to be able to get that material over to Europe, usually places like Poland that are nearer to the ukrainian border, and then you add another day or two on to actually transfer those into ukrainian hands. So we're talking about a week's turnaround time, which is, I think, the fastest that the United States has ever managed to do these sorts of distributions. So we're talking about a fairly quick timeline but the decision making process right now is still ongoing and that's where you often see this tension between what the United States is willing to do and what the Ukrainians want, and as to give you a sense of that. Yesterday's reporting, the the contours that were emerging around the seven hundred million fifty million dollar package, it seemed like the centerpieces of it were really going to be. The

seventeen helicopters attack helicopters. That can let you take out certain russian targets: cd, roms, potentially howitzers, but overnight a Pentagon official came out and say actually no there's not going to be on my seventeens as part of this package and we had to update our reporting. So if you kind of look at the stuff, that's being shared in government circles, it gives you a sense of what they think that the threats are likely going to be they're, going to be able to have to be faced, but also a sense of the skittishness about exactly what we're going to send and put into ukrainian hands for a variety of reasons. So, what are the reasons why you wouldn't send the helicopters and what do we know about what actually is being sent

Well, we know that there's going to be additional stores, cent of things like javelins, which have proved to be very useful and helpful for the Ukrainians, but the Ukrainians had been grazing a clamour for a long time for more air power attack helicopters and my seventeenth or soviet origin. They would be easier for them to learn how to fly them and altered, know how to fly them and also less risk of them. You know potentially posing a greater security risk if they fall into the russian hands. On that It has a limited supply of those I mean most of our at my seventeenth, come from just having a leftover from the Afghanistan war. Basically, and it's not clear exactly what was going to be drawn from or what the stores are that they were going to use to use, I see drones and other sorts of drones. I mean look that we also reported that the ukrainian Embassy, the United States, has had direct conversations with the head of general atomics, which is a

It creates predict that that produces predator and reaper drones, so drones have been very critical for helping Ukraine gain some sort of overground advantage and taking out russian targets so have attack helicopters. Obviously it's been several weeks that ukrainians have been asking for warplanes like negs. That leads have chosen not to create the kind of three way and funneling chain that would be necessary to get to them, but this is the back and forth. This is the negotiation. That's often ongoing as the ukrainian State, what they want and what they feel they need and the west takes. kind of cost benefit analysis of what is life to be too much application or potentially not efficient because of the level of air power the Russians have in various regions of Ukraine and to try to send what we think was going to be the most the most bang for your buck. The most punch, basically in trying to help the Ukrainians get a better. And it against the invading Russians Pentagon correspondent for the Washington Post, car

origin. Thank you so much for your reporting this morning. You know Richard Ross as we look at the latest debate going on and and look at these latest shipments. I think we should stop. At least I will stop. You may disagree with me here, but I'm going Shoprite here for a second and talk about what a masterful job to Biden Ministration has done. The past six weeks. Of course, you and I were both harshly critical of him after Afghanistan, we've been critical of what and when the french deal, there have been a lot of growing pains in this administration, but I've just got to say: he's got people chirping from both sides at him constantly you've got the same group of people that were saying in two thousand and four: let's go ahead and just liberate the entire world at the barrel of the? U S gun, let's, let's, let's rid the world of of tyranny, it all four corners, just it just ridiculous. Wilsonian ovary Those same people are saying. We have no reason to worry about world war. Three now is our time March. All the way to Moscow. Basically, but

starting with reluctant allies he's and where the situation they ve ministrations or with the situation that they did that was supposed to end very quickly, and I must say, at least in my view, is he is work? This he's walked the tightrope time and time again while people are sick Tell him to do more that could world war three I just going to say at this point: I suppose we could send war. I suppose could have sent more six weeks ago, but we are where we are now because of the courage of the ukrainian fighters because of you ass fire power, whether its directly for from us or channel through other NATO results just might take. I think, historians look back and say after one screw up after another over the past twenty years. Mandarin Chief actually managed an international crisis. Well

Look I Joe, I would agree, I think he does get high marks this whole indirect strategy of helping Ukraine militarily. the sanctions of strengthening NATO. I think all this looks good idea as you know, I've had problems all along with some of the rhetoric which said goals either that were beyond our means, like regime change or would complicate any chance to get an end to the war by calling Putin a war criminal now now genocide, I think we're at a really interesting point. I think there's a the consideration here when it comes to arming Ukraine, and this might sound counter intuitive. But I think is a big question. What are we trying to accomplish let me just say this range of potential outcomes. Are we trying to bring about a stalemate? Are we trying to prevent Russia for making any inroads? Are we trying push Russia back to give them all the back inside russian territory and out of Ukraine, and I think that's. These are big questions because then it's as you think this through then. The issue is

the more successful. Ukraine is on the ground in this big battle to come. Does that increase the odds, Putin might introduce chemical weapons, or God forbid, nuclear weapons and so forth? So I think we're at a moment where we have to. Through exactly work much our definition of of success at this point, what are we try to I don't think it's quite as obvious or as black and white. As a lot of the conversation is here journeys our now Richard really quickly? How could how? How is that a question? Isn't isn't the point to push the Russians back? I'm is there a discussion being made behind the scenes that we only go halfway. A question Mika. If the goal is to end the war on terms that Ukraine can accept, I think we need to have a really straightforward conversation with president solemnity. Again. Is it to get back to where we were before February? Twenty? Fourth? Is it

back to where we were before two thousand and fourteen is that what are we thinking about all of the Donbas? What do we think about Crimea? I actually think those are real questions. What are definition of successes here, and I just think we, I think, there's a range of views. Let me just put it that way in Ukraine and here and how the atrocities wasn't have affected that, and I will put the same I you this gone back to where we were six seven weeks ago, success while we talk To do more than that, I think that's a big, legitimate question to raised So so, let's just let us be very clear here and end, I people don't want to hear this but we're not going to have a boy Putin's regime shutting down like the soviet shutdown on Christmas day in nineteen, ninety one going to have a? U S, S Missouri assigning like we had at the end of world war. Two and left

the Russians decided by the mere Putin is no longer going to Rhine. Russia Vladimir It is going to run Russia after his horrific war is over and if any, I think said he will not use chemical weapons are nuclear tactical nuclear weapons. If we push russian troops into Russia and try to up his regime, then their dreaming and their risking a world war a nuclear war, then I'm sorry, I'm not cited for and I dont think ninety percent of Americans will be signed in force. So really, as we said from the very beginning, even before this war began its goal, you require extraordinary diplomatic work to to get Putin an off ramp to get him out of Ukraine. Get him out of this hot war and to prevent I am using new tactical nuclear weapons. Would you

use time and time again, which is now actually official russian military policy. Do we got to come face to face with this we're not dealing with Mikhail Gorbachev. We're dealing with a guy who look just look at all the hell that he's unleashed. One man is responsible for all this suffering. Anybody that doesn't think he won't further, is dreaming. our question? And the question is what is that face saving offer book? Could that possibly look like how could he somehow declare victory to his people, given the humiliation he's already suffered in Ukraine and Johnson, the mayor you've got a new piece up up about the way preparing for exactly what Joe and Richard were just talking about, which is potential use of chemical weapons on the battlefield. What

plans. What might the response be yeah? That would be a dramatic escalation in this war. If Russia were to do that now. First, let's take a step. Back a few days ago, there were some ukrainians who claimed that some chemical weapons may have been used to marry opal. This is our regiment. This far right group said that the drone drops and chemicals on them that has not been confirmed that has not been verified not by the US, nor by the ukrainian government and they'd, been usually very quick to promote when they can to say, hey, look, here's evidence of russian atrocity. They haven't done that everyone's been proceeding very carefully here and it does. It takes some time and officials reminded me in the last day or so that even in Syria, where chemical weapons were used it often it took some time to verify that so those investigations are still ongoing and they want to make sure to underscore that has not been proven yet. But word Russia to go down that path would change this war dramatically and the? U S is preparing they've had a c as we report today, a series of exercises, tabletop exercises as to what that response would be. The key word proportional that,

of course they would. The president and his team have said they would respond quote in kind. If Russia were to do that, that does not mean that the? U S will use chemical weapons in return, but rather there would be drastic steps taken in escalation on response, but what there, but it will depend on what sort of weapons and, of course, let's be clear. All it's terrible, but there's a difference between, say, a phosphorus thing: vs Saran gas dropped on a school and the? U S way that as they proceed with their response. What is on the table Richard? What is a proportionate response to the use of chemical weapons? That is not a chemical weapons attack, because it won't be a quote unquote in kind. One thing would be on the sanctions front. Would that finally be to get the Germans to shut off all importance of russian gas? Russia is making over five hundred million dollars a day. It's floating this war effort. I think we should have an agreement now and communicate it to the Russians. If you can,

watch this threshold. Guess what- and I think that might be something that the Germans who are increasingly divided about how tough to be that might be something that would resonate in German and determined political space. I think militarily. The big question for us is not simply what we provide in the way about arms this week. it'll be providing a lot already. I think the bigger issue is whether there could be some direct involvement at that point. Could you see a situation? Not an open ended no fly zone, but could you see some forces attacking some russian positions as a one time attack to basically say if you cross this threshold? That goes beyond the point of tolerance. yeah. You know resorting to talk really quickly about oil. There's been a lot lot writ for the past twenty four forty eight hours about the Saudis Republicans saying to bind, has to be tougher in needs to condemn the Saudis even more again, a lot of Democrats are saying the same thing with all due respect it and they need it that they do

opened their eyes and see what's going on saudi regime, a bad regime adds a bad regime. Is India S done a horrific things? Yes, he's done absolutely horrific thinks so did Joe Stalin. When we teamed up with Joe Stalin a World war, two he had killed about ten ten million of his own people. You know Nine eleven we said we gotta grow up and we're going to have to start dealing with some bad actors to win when this war on terror. Well right now, Richard we seem to be in in in this in this no man's land, where the Saudis whither you I e we've got to figure. Do we want them to be so? it states and AIDS of Communist China for the next forty years or do we want to go well and figure out how to get them working with the community of nations, because, right now,

It's a little of this, a little of that and its leading to disastrous policies. They don't think we're doing enough to defend them against misled ex going and India to Saudi Arabia. They a lot of different things. Don't we need to figure that relationship out and we need to figure our relationship out with a lot of other less Stan stellar actors, who are not democracies who were right now on the fence or whether they want to support? Let me repeat nor the United States, but let's start with the Saudis. What do we do? I agree, a hundred percent and I would have said that before the Ukraine crisis, if the idea that envy ass could be running their country for forty or fifty years, we

can't have on a non relationship for that time. With this with the country. That's that important, particularly given that IRAN, during that period, probably sooner than later, will reach the threshold of nuclear weapons. Iran already is doing what it can to destabilize the region, providing missiles to the Hutus, who were attacking both the EU and Saudi Arabia, and this crisis has made it clear why we need solely or even energy output. So I agree with you. We gotta figure out a way. How do we disagree on human rights issues at this in time. We have a strategic, serious relationship. This at some point farm policy can't just be about. If you will one issue

I will get in trouble. This can't just be about. If you will values or virtue signaling we've got to be strategic, so we've got to figure out. How do we disagree with the Saudis on some issues but still have a relationship with them on others and by the way, Joe? I would say that same principle applies to China and other countries. We don't have the luxury of one directional, one dimensional one issue foreign policy, a lot of these countries matter. We've got to figure out. How do we work with them on some issues several days of the week, while we disagree with them on other issues. Other days of the week, that's a serious. That's an unnecessary foreign policy. And when it comes to the Middle EAST we are going to, we were going to have to choose between IRAN and the bodies. It's that simple and as far as IRAN goes, I mean the very same people are saying we can't deal with the Saudis, are the same people that,

trying to negotiate with the arrangements and trying to remove you know of the Revolutionary Guard from terrorist list? Iran's been the epicenter of terrorism since nineteen? Seventy nine, I'm sorry think work picking the wrong side here, Saudi Arabia for all of its problems, and there are so many problems. It seems to me a better bet we're trying to figure out how how to push Putin back into his corner and Dr World prices down so prudent, does it make billions and billions and billions of dollars every day did kill more ukrainians. This seems like a fairly simple choice: to make verses.

around, who again has been at the centre of terror since nineteen. Seventy nine look. I agree with you on this look at if we're we're paying an awful lot potentially for a deal with IRAN, which had just by us a couple years on the nuclear front, not more, it would actually make a runs ability to destabilize the region. It would increase their ability because of all the resources that would flow to them. But I think this one are the positive with the Saudis. I think it's a question of when not if the Saudis would be interested in normalizing relations with Israel, and this place for some creative diplomacy. Can we put together a package with Saudi Arabia that gets them to help with energy, gets them to move towards Israel and we'll have way us a common front against IRAN and yet, and we have to figure out a way. How do we can permit the lies or deal with our issues of the past and present on human rights? Part of this

require that the administration get over. It's singular focus on reentering, a nuke or signing a new nuclear agreement with IRAN that I think the price of doing it is going to outweigh the benefits the obsession with that bad deal continues to high you ass in policy it has for years, and it continues into this administration talked about that bad deal a little later for now still ahead, it never goes away. It never goes away. Have so many things I could say right now. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, standing by will get his insight on the manhunt underway. Right now for the person who opened fire in a crowded why car yesterday plus will hear from the head of the empty air about subway Security and New York City Merit Eric Adams is our guest, also

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The third reason, as we learn more about the situation over the coming our days, president, and opened up his planned remarks, and I are well yesterday by addressing the worst shooting in the history of the New York City Subway. A man hunt is still under way this morning for the person who opened fire and that crowded subway car during yesterday's rush hour police circling sixty two year old, Frank, James, a quote person of interest. All of the victims are expected to Sir The two youngest victims were between Oh been sixteen years old, New York, Governor Kathy, Hochul, visited them and their families. Last night at the Hospital The earlier she made a point of riding the subway following the attack. The praise New Yorkers for their strength.

We believe that if this person is left to stay will be able to use the resources of our connections and relationships, we have with nine neighboring states to help bring this person to justice, so we hope to resolve soon. Yorkers want to get on with life. I took the subway over here early this evening with channels. Let us know we appreciate their resiliency, how tough they are, but they still coming on the subway, and I was really grateful to see that Yorkers cannot be kept out our former New York City Police, Commissioner Bill Breton might Barnacle joins the conversation is welcome morning to both commission. Thanks for being here, we are to talk in the break in TAT way York City being resilient and and I separately road, the one train downtown packs at rush hour, Brandon Home last night, packed people got back. And they got on with their lives it's what they do. Unfortunately, they've seen some of this trauma, base and everything we know about this person of interest. Hoodies back to you is. Do we have any sense of motive at this point

They stand the eve you of some of his social media postings. This is seriously emotionally disturbed individual living in an alternate reality and the terms of his motivation. the same should not particular grudge against Mayor Adam changed on some of his writing, if you will, So we should going to work very aggressively to try and apprehend him as soon as possible the best his spot on the world working on it in very close coordination with the federal agencies, US marshals, F B, I hopefully to scoop them up very quickly because he's a he's, a problem, New York City Police Department is so good and so efficient that we become accustomed than finding these guys very very quickly. One of the cameras were told, wasn't working at that particular subway station. A day later now was twenty four hours later. Where do you suspect the and my party is in its pursuit of this guy? Who doesn't really have ties to New York City could have gone out of state. While just said the point

the search has expanded dramatically into the surrounding region, because he has no ties to the city based on the only review of the social media. So he be anywhere that the vehicle ventured was recovered, but It's the coordination with US marshals, federal agencies. There great at hunting down these people. In I fully expect We apprehended very very quickly in, as you know, New York City Subway system is the beating heart of this metric? while it in the area and its impossible to protect. But what do you do now that this particular event will sort of psychologically hinder a lot of people in terms of their usage of the subway do what can be done. the subway safer than it already is well Eric Adams. The new mayor has already been attempting to do that. They've put an additional thousand officers in the transit police, everyone

seriously. I can't- and you are I two hundred and ninety sheet for Transit Avenue on the MBTA in Boston. I'm pretty intimate with it. just some four hundred and seventy six stations, five, The cart trains running at any given time half man is a day. You can't protect it all all the time, but you can work the public see something say something four thousand additional offices policy as regular patrol offices in the precincts who are going into the stations for walkthroughs foods. There's a lot that's been done. The climb level is nowhere near what it was. Ninety nine, when I first came here on average, six or seven serious crimes, neighbours back then sixty or seventy, but this is a population thirty is later than this broccoli. is used to safety up each other one and eighteen. This was the safest, large city in the world, it changed magically in the last couple of years, but good news is that it has not deteriorated so badly that a cat come back. We came back

one nineteen. Ninety ninety one Lincoln can come back evidence by what you saw last night riding the one people will use this system when they have to, but the mayor is going to work very hard with his commissioner to provide the police visibility, as well as the new technologies that are available, camera systems, etc. To are basically can you to make this a safer system. So,

Both the mayor and governor yesterday were quick to say they did not believe this an act of terrorism, but they thought it was still terrifying and one of the things was the idea of smoke canisters and gas masks. It was. You saw the footage people running and screaming, but at the end of the day it is still a crowd could with a gun- and we heard the president trying to crack down on ghost guns. Earlier this week with executive action, there's a limit there's no appetite for federal gun legislation right now. But what can this city do? Other big cities across the country that are seeing a spike in violence, a spike in shootings? What can they do to get these guns off the streets? There was a crime epidemic in America, a lot of the driven by guns, a love affair with guns you York working very hard on that issue. The various reform, the Anti Crime unit We trained officers working through the federal government should deal now with the the plastic gun. I used to be the iron pipeline coming up from the southern states where guns were purchased now, UPS and Fedex and I'll do it invites you to do it answer the phone

the is attempting we will now with the appointment of a new, a tf director, hopefully which will get off the above, confirm him. Instead dragging the appointment. I would, as they usually do, It has been very aggressive in public leading the way, however, in trying to deal proactively this issue, but even as recently as last night for more shootings, two more people murdered by people shot a couple of hours last night in New York? So this time, it is not going away any time soon. It's going to take a lot of hard work to push it back. and Commissioner Byrne, I'm so glad you said what you said, which was yes. Crime was was much worse twenty years ago, but you know what air travel was much more dangerous. Twenty years ago we were going back to where we were twenty years from now, because the people, York City aren't going to to accept everybody's everybody accepted. Ninety nineteen? Ninety, before your great work, salami

I see this mirror. Adams obviously has the right instincts he's trying to push forward. Getting resistance in some quarters how our other New York, city and New York state officials working with them are: how are they standing in the way? What what is the biggest challenge now? Who needs to get out of the way, so mere Adams can make New York City safer again? the legislation Albany the city cancel the progressive wings of those bodies. If you will, he is a real uphill struggle. The progressive left criminal justice movement in this state it's been disastrous to A team is a the safest year in the history of New York City thousand Nineteen, the legislation in this state passed criminal justice reform. It's been Ever since the mayor is in the right place, he's moved to center He knows what he wants to do. He's the white man at the right time, but boy

not getting much support from Albany to legislation. He has a city council that does not like the N Y p. So an uphill struggle with what needs to do is start supporting this mail again. Those are the wheel he's trying to thwart what he's trying to do make me. once again, the safest large city in the world it was once. It can be that again, but it's going Take a lot of work. The mayor Adams just a few minutes on this before I let you go to the semantic question, this guy's being called a person of interest verses, suspect. What is that? Distinction is a term of that they have not to believe I put his hand on that gun DNA Analysis fingerprint analysis of all this made me covet match it up. He's been arrested in the past might have fingerprints on file once they are able to effectively witness is a setup. What is he in on that weapon? Then they can into the suspect category. And

hopefully he'll, been arrested by that time when they're pursuing that man as we speak, former New York City Police Commissioner Bill Bratton. Nobody better to walk us through this thanks, commissioner, for being here, we will share with your turning ACA to Ukraine? Now, let's go to the maps. National security analyst for NBC News and MSNBC Clint Watts joins us at the Big Board, with a look at where the fighting is happening today and cleaned. If you could show us the very latest on the battlefield and tell us about the weaponry that the Ukrainians have versus what they need from you can see that I make it so some. states that have happened here overnight. Mariupol we've been talking about this besieged city. For several weeks now the Russians have continued events and but Interestingly, just some reports and opensource over the last two hour to some ukrainian forces that had been divided essentially unified. Why

that's important variable. Everyone thinks the Russians will still take it, but the longer russian forces state bogged down here trying to take marriable the the less time they'll have to essentially planet since, like frees up time here for the bigger fight which is Exactly what we think we're going to see, which is here and the Dum bus- this is convoy that essentially come down from Bellegarde there trying to, forces into is again hear from you on such trying to move over to slow beyond getting from some of the units Come out of key they're being moved to Belgorod lots of logistical problems again, and there still more questions this morning about the will to fight. Will Russia military troops be ready get back in and what there's not a lot of confidence that they're actually going to be able to push that combat power in separately, though I would say the one thing to watch is throughout this area today: and through the next week, intense fires throughout this time

boss region. Where are you going to see the Russians try and do bring this group together? bring this access to is look up together and slow Beyonce and then this is the key to what the trying to do since Ali cut off different. Portions of Del Bosque. Incrementally I'm they do that they'll be able to Sicily, control a pocketbook a military force and neither fight like they're doing to marry you pull or surrender. The last thing to look at is the big picture down here and her son, her son The first major city that the Russians took coming up- out of chromium. You can see here what we have is ukrainian counter attacks pretty consistently. The Russians have been able to establish bases, at least to put two occasions one the hearse on air base, build logistics, and I think that we really mean what is the next phase of this? We could probably see this movement here simply moving northern that's richer toss us just talking about earlier. What is dumbass in imprudence words. It's not really! No,

We believe this is the obvious of the dumbass as it's known on our maps. But what, if he tries and take a larger swaths of that overtime, aright I watched. Thank you very much. We appreciate and and coming up democratic SEN, Joe Manchin is blaming the Biden administration for rising inflation after yesterday's number reach a forty year high Steve, inner joins us with charts the One more hour of brutal honesty. People need to stop under

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our fifty to pass on our alive look at the White House is the sun is trying to come up over Washington. The other major story worth following this morning is the inflation rate reaching a forty year high. Here's NBC News, cheap Whitehouse, corresponding Kristen. Welcome with the details. America's unrelenting inflation places keeps getting worse with news that its accelerated to eight point five percent of forty one year, high prices surging across the board gas prices up the eight percent over last year. Food prices jumping nearly nine per cent, including meat, poultry, fish and eggs. Spiking nearly fourteen percent housing a surging two with reds up five percent in pencil, school bus driver, Renee Shultz, says soaring grocery bills have left her struggling to feed her family. Now, is turning to a food pantry. It's made it difficult, Sometimes you have to paste, make a choice on what

bills going to not get paid so that you can make sure it's the you got food on the table and then California, Plumber, Luis Rey, says the cost of parts have surged four thousand two hundred and sixty per cent. What's the toughest part, this moment and the increase prices that others far is just not long. Diffuser old fashioned I'm a human being. I have a household a cargo and a new government forecasts predict gas prices. This summer will be the highest since twenty fourteen in what President Biden saying he's boosting the sale and production of ethanol blended gasoline as a way to alleviate pain at the pump and again blaming Vladimir Putin's Ukraine invasion. I'm doing everything within my power bar executive order to bring down the oppression, address the food price shock

but in reality, inflation has been soaring above five percent for nearly a year, and our latest NBC News poll shows just six percent of Americans blame rising prices on the russian invasion of Ukraine. Thirty eight percent blame President Biden and his policies. The president facing criticism from Republicans and a key Democrat sent. Joe Manchin, writing the Federal Reserve and the administration failed to act fast enough calling response quote half measures Alright, thank you. So much NBC cares for Kristen Welker without report springing spring right now. Forward Frederick visually morning, Joe Economic Amnesty ran or seem I just I just a little surprised. Bed Joe Maginnis is blaming Joe Biden. For inflation? Obviously, if they pass six trillion dollar BB bills Obviously, there will be a lot more to blame there, but I mean

I'm sure it's. How do you break it down? We have obviously As you have said, we have had two trillion dollars sitting on the sidelines, waiting to be spent, people are rushing back in the economy. We always knew it was going to be hot The economy was going to be hot, The divided ministrations fault is it. The feds fault was politically feasible for the FED to take dramatic measures. Two three months ago, It's a combination of issues, Joe obviously, I think he's certainly have to put the FED near the top of the list for put several tragic six trillion dollars literally into the economy, in the form of low interest rates and buying bonds, and things like that you do have to fall a bit the binding ministration in the size of the rescue packages as they try to get past put aside. The ones at that got pass, there's something Two trillion dollars in consumer bank accounts that they haven't been able to spend. the pandemic that is now coming out and that's a lot of what's driving this

Obviously there is bad luck. The Ukraine certainly plays a role in all this, so there's a number of play, but the plan, but what mansion is trying to do is basically preempt enough rescue package and make clear that he thinks the next rescue package needs to have a big component of deficit reduction in it, and I would have with that, it's time to start dealing with the deficit as part of trying to bring down the pressure of an obligation What you also agreed with it mansion that couldn't have that past six trillion dollar bbb bills, even three trillion dollars would again add too much heat to the economy, and now we can. Consumers can be great that manage and did start that, I'm just I just I like to know what president you've ever met that would have been able to inflation. From going up as we exited Cove as a russian war. As Russia began a war it caused gas prices to spike. I'm not I'm not saying it's not

part of the administration's fault for taking their eye off the ball a little bit on what they were asking for they never got what they are asking for. So it sort of hard to blame Bebe be their requests, inflation on their request for baby, because they never got any of that though, what that's why I said that I think the principal responsibility lies with the FED The administration didn't get the first peace should be. They got the one point: nine billion dollar american rescue plan which sent a whole bunch of stimulus checks at a time when we even back then knew that pretty much. The last thing the economy needed was more one more stimulus check, so I do think there is some responsibility on the part of the Bite administration but, as I said, the war Ukraine was definitely an unanticipated consequence, would have been better if we hadn't already started some inflation going, but but yes,

ITALY, Ukraine was is a principal culprit as you'll see in some of the numbers. I can show you all right, Steve. Let's look at the first chart, soaring prices, outpace wages right now. What are you looking at yeah? So Kristen Welker gave you the headline numbers. Let me try to fill in a piece, a few pieces around it. So one of the more interesting parts of this and more disturbing parts of this, as you have the eight point- five percent inflation that she mentioned but when she it wasn't part of her piece that wages while they ve got a fast or have not kept up and that's the trip boys line? And if you look at that trip boys line point way back to nineteen ninety seven and you you could go back further. The data isn't quite as good the turquoise which is wages, has generally stayed above the black line, which is inflation, obviously meaning that consumers are getting creation their spending power. But what

happen here is that, even though wages and not going up at about six percent, which is the highest they ve done up in decades. The eight point five percent. Obviously, is more than that, and so you have consumers losing ground on their purchasing power and that's a big piece of what you see going on out there then the second one is fascinating, because it shows you next short, how broad this is there so much focus on gas, but that's groceries at its rent. Obviously that appliances. This is such a deep and wide inflation spike. Exactly will it is to pieces to this? There is the big Celine peace and gasoline alone was fifty percent of the increase last month in inflation. Gasoline is now four dollars and twenty cents across the country. It was two dollars and sixty cents a year ago, but, as you said, that's only part of the picture, but I put here are a few, almost random products that people buy all the time. If your body furniture, your pay, sixteen percent more and buy If you look at the bottom, you might almost barely see tiny little turquoise bars, that's what they

Inflation was in these categories before all the happened. So sixteen percent versus zero for inflation thirteen percent vs zero for chicken twelve and versus minus one for major appliances and MIKE Barnacle Peanut butter is going to cost you nine percent, more relatives of mine notice that, and it's one minus one in the past, so it is very broad. A broad, based air air air fares are up. Twenty four percent over a year ago, to come, because we and chicken and things need, is a thirty nine percent corners of nineteen percent, there's more so coming through the system either. The interesting thing about the groceries is not only visibly actual, the prices of much higher now than they were a year ago, but the skin. city of some items the pipeline, providing the goods. It is very hard to get stuff that the support of the famous supply chain problems, which partly are true supply, importance and plot, partly or just excess demand have come.

That shortages? You have a lot of stuff, but let's turn consumers, because this has both implications for obviously individual Americans, as well as political implications. So, left. You can see that consumers expect inflation. It be six point six percent over the coming twelve months and if you ask them fourteen months ago, what did they think they thought three percent so this has all been absorbed by consumers and they have become very, very pessimistic about that, and you can see that more clearly charge on the right, which is a consumer sentiment which has hit them, which is and I have a modern low as you show that short on the right areas, One percent of Americans think the economy is going to be in a recession this year. So John there's no way for the Biden administration to sugarcoat. This. Everyone is feeling this at where the gas station or the grocery store, wherever it is they're trying this line the Putin Price Hike and make sure anybody's going to buy that they handle this year.

That's. The line we've heard from the President Democrats recently we'll see yesterday polling suggests that Americans do argue are willing to pay a little bit more at the gas pump right now to help the Ukrainians in their war effort, but It goes on for months and months and months that could change, and certainly inflation can be the defining issue for the midterms this year. But what else is is nervous about this? Everything costs more right now and in the supply chain, issues are only going to grow. The covert outbreak in China right now is having a real impact. There could be issues potentially at the mexican border with more and more migrants coming across there as well. We heard from yesterday with the ethanol fuel announcement, which might make a little bit of a difference he's going to North Carolina tomorrow to talk about supply chains but Steve. What more can they do and and how much of this is going to be about interest rates? There's not, What's more, they can do they're. Trying and a lot of this is political. You know they're releasing oil from the strategic. petroleum reserve may have a modest impact. It's good. You mention interest rates, because what this these inflation numbers mean is that interest rates are going to go faster and sooner than people

what have guests even a few weeks ago, mortgage rates, which are very sensitive you see, or now up in the high veldt percent plus close to five percent for thirty year more using just an incredibly short period of time it's clear now that the FED is going to probably have to raise rates, not a quarter of a point and it's coming meetings, but maybe a half a point, something that only does in extreme circumstances and so yeah you're going to also feel the bite of higher which of savers, will get the benefit of higher rates, but people. Borrowing money going to feel that in interest rates as well? just passively our seven. Oh two on the EAST coast, who got Steve Ratner talking about the story, gets at the top of the Wall Street Journal today, inflation. I kinda spike, continues we're all going to be talking about the latter your prudence, saying peace is not at hand in time soon and he's? standing. His is, are, our he's actually is actually retracting. What is goals are to the Dun boss

but see brightener before we let you go before we get to the top stories, talking about just this massive massive what shortages in certain areas, because there's the map. Again, it's up demand you've been talking about Andrew Ross Sorkin a couple of days ago, we've seen it over the past several weeks. Other people in airports have seen it over the past couple of weeks. I mean airport, insane. I've never seen it like this before jet blue, just like that I can't handle the rush. Other airports can't handle the rush and again you have in the middle of the week in clear weather, one playing after another being cancelled, just because overwhelming demand- and a lot of I would send flight attendants not showing up yeah. That is another piece of the puzzle: job, which is the fact that people with what's in so called grace where resignation of a lot

people leaving their jobs. We have eleven million unfilled jobs in this country and only five or six million people actually looking for jobs. So, even if everybody was looking for a job took a job we'd still five million plus or minus unfilled jobs, and that is a function of all this demand all this money in the system. Companies, I hire as well as we've talked to, people not going back to work either because they're getting close. Retirement or they still have child care or health concerns or whatever. So he also. The airplane thing is a good example of what's happening, which is huge, demand airfares of toys, four percent at the moment from a year ago and the airline it's not being able to provide the supply because they can't necessarily get the pilots and flight attendants and ground crew and all the people. They need those planes fly. Or as Dave Ratner. Thank you very, very much whether it's the complexities Climate change? The challenge the racial injustice or the threat to american democracy get your daily. seven lightning articles at MSNBC Daily written perspectives

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