Literally every day as we speak, eighty million. This is aid. If you're here in a few hours, this won't be here. It's gonna be on a plane on its way or some other it's on its way to ukraine, we're gonna, push as hard as we can as quickly as we can. on what they mean. We want to see russia weakened to agree that it do the kinds of things that it has done in writing, ukraine, the nations diplomat and top military leader make the highest level american visit to ukraine. Since the russian invasion began meeting with president linsky bringing new promises of support. Admiral James to british will join us this morning on this extraordinary wartime visit and the this developments from the battlefield plus alive reports

France, as incumbent, prevailed, Emmanuel Wroclaw debates as far right challenger maker. Well, with fifty eight point, five percent of the vote. I just nobody here too that, I wonder because everybody said this race was tied two weeks ago was neck and neck. This club could have predicted that margin of victory. I think it's nonsense. I always hear that le pen is going to beat mccrone undemocratic woodsman. Like eighty nine points willie, I stir the bookies have come in this morning, and I don't know if you saw this or not, but our morning Joe batting side are off track. Betting site is putting the over under, despite this propaganda from waste stream media that it can be a closed rays, bodies, and you can count on our bookies- put it at but kron. Fifty eight,

and a half percent vats. The were under four betters is this: is this? Is a suckers bet? Willie, it's not gonna, be as close as people say, it is again morning, Jos off track betting. Let me again check that again since right, Jake, it's right fifty eight, percent- that is what the line is right now mccrone winning easily once again over lappin. By and for some reason it just opposite. The united states are people lie about about. supporting donald trump preserve ashamed to say that they support donald trump But it seems to me that there is always paid. It is the buggy man that's coming to get france and it never. material eyes, as I think that one of the reasons the bookies in the back of our very illegal o tv practice and mourning Joe, I think I think that's one of the reasons a book is put at fifty eight and a half percent, because

always hearing that la pendants got when we heard it leading up to the last presidential elections, and you get absolutely we crushed, there is no reason to believe this. going to be a fifty one to forty nine percent raised like god, you nailed it. You really nail that that was the first sound bite was april twelfth and you predicted that number Well, you know every now and then that's not normal. It's not normal, everybody was saying was going to be very close. Of course I talked to my bookies and we were lucky. We spread them on the ball, we spread them all across the left bank and tell them it's it's their responsibility to make kind. With the very worst, the very worst ferret society, the drags and jonathan mayer they're the ones who came back to us and they told me they don't need two and a half weeks ago. Everybody said it was suicide. Everybody came on here said it was tied around. He says the word, fifty eight percent. That's what we call

fifty eight percent and, of course, it proves once again the very worst, the dregs of paris society. Once again. There is a reason why we hire them and keep the men are would office in the back of warning Joe to continue these extraordinarily illegal operations but think about all the money we made people if they listened with there It was when we started talking a couple of weeks ago. He had a in a real redemptive moment for those bookies who are some of them still reeling from backing the baltimore hold sensible three against Joe namath jets cod. This one that one heart there benson missteps along the way, but they now This one's going to the as you put it the darkest the city of light. to get the information on this particular race. Fifty eight point five percent well done today. We should just note on a slot slightly more serious note. Yes, forty percent from real pen that is concerning that forty percent of a friend.

population would back her. That said, the spread- and this raising this should be considered absolute blow out. If we had a spread like this in the u s presidential election. So this is certainly still a substantial victory for mccrone and allies across the west and in washington breathe a sigh of relief. you're gonna go live to paris in just a moment and without a lot of other news to cover this morning, but I'm just curious how you got that exact number joe. I mean Well, you know, even with all of our experts having all sorts of concerns either way will of reducing. Is me very close race. I just didn't see that happening. This is this. It have. Before several years ago. Will a pan we heard about le pen was going to keep this much tighter akron was less popular, did not see this getting within ten points, though I'd at the end of the day, I thought it'd be closer to fifty eight fifty nine sixty. I thought sixty felt a little too high, so I put at fifty eight course since it's ever under you gotta, have put

half on it. So put it fifty eight and a half percent thinking there be some winners and losers, so my friends, it's a push. That means, of course, a house keeps all the money, but this it we're get to talk about it in a second. This is an extraordinary victory, not just for mccrone, not just for france, but obviously extraordinary victory for nato, because you, of course a pen who wanted to take the friend Out of NATO is the second largest economy. In the end. One of the most strategic it's at the centre of europe, the loss of france to the putin to trap. Two anti nato alliance would have been extraordinary. I do think that the law, that really helped him. The most was when, when she criticized for also talking the pony citys will want to talk to Putin, I'm talking to a head of state when you talked a potent you're talking to your banker. Willie, do think for the french electorate that clarify things and at that point that's when I was certain

We were going to have this tight race and everybody else was predicting. I thought, after the at the debate that it's pretty evident. He was going to get over fifty five, fifty six, fifty seven percent, of course, you'll added right eighty. Five point. Eight percent. Let me just say eight point. Five percent to eight point five percent me to say this is a landslide in america. Let me just say this is a landslide in france as well. Look here once again crushed one of these days. One of these days, western analysts are going to be like freaking out setting their hairs on fire and talking about the end of the french republic any time a pen runs they under prefer her father underperform. She under performs and the french, at the end of the day, come home all right, we're getting gotta go back to paris, live to get more on this incredible story, but first to top EU s, officials make an extraordinary and secretive way

I'm visit to ukraine, secretary of state aids, lincoln and defence secretary Lord often met presidents linsky in cave yesterday. It was the first high level visits by an american delegation since the start of the russian in details of the trip were kept under wraps until it was well under way. The? U S, government decline to even confirm the meeting had happened until lately. night when the: u S, delegation was safely out of ukraine. This more lincoln and often were back in poland where they discuss this. Including new promises of military and diplomatic support. We, an opportunity to demonstrate directly our strong our spawn ongoing support for these and in government and for the ukrainian people, our commitment going forward involves a number of things that I was able to share with presents once yesterday, including

return of american diplomats to ukraine starting next week, including President binds attend to nominate a new ambassador to ukraine. Our folks, in the meeting was too about those things that wouldn't, well as to when the current fight and also for two more jobs over our ability to win the forest I've been waiting is believing that you can win the bottom line. Is this: we don't know how the rest of this war will unfold, but we do know that sovereign. Independent ukraine will be around a lot longer than Vladimir Putin's on the sea, and our support for ukraine going forward will continue. It will continue until we see final success. Are at Joe a couple of things. I know you want to get to all of this. I just find that the ambassador to ukraine, getting one in place, is a real symbol of

where america stands in terms of their powers. But also their long term belief in ukraine. You look at the work of this and look where we were six. Two weeks ago. You look at the fact that the linsky was hiding by god buildings at dark, doing tik tok videos sending them out to the people. ukraine whispering that there still there and in darkness we're going anywhere. They were going to continue to hide. They were holding press conferences and bunkers. He was trying to survive day by day a lot of people believing he was going to be killed at any moment. Now you're saying the united states, secretary of state and secretary of defence going over and saying we're here, a mirror It is here we're going anywhere we're going to keep our support in real vladimir putin. The russian military is put into such a position and degraded the degree that they can no longer terrorize the people of ukraine

in Jonathan Amir? What what a strong statement you talked about the possibility of this last week. Let us know how it came about this story, We set out there tat the: u S, officials we're having secret meetings in washington to honour zalewski request to have a high level. U s delegation, go The key president Biden really not considered an option not now and it immediately. They focused on. Indeed, these two secretary secretary of state, lincoln secretary of defense, Austin. She tried to side When the two- and I said the option was well let's and both its that much that its much more powerful of assemble descent of them there and their car, and this trip was done in secrecy. The press pool did not accompany them on this trip. They travelled from poland by train their cover blow by zaleski himself on saturday, he announced his team announced that they were coming. There was a brief moment of clauses for the brief moment of consideration, along with the officials in the white house, but they do so

was made to forge forward and their certainly glad they did. Both secretaries now have returned to poland, and I think it striking there two words there. We should circle from their public remarks. Blinking in austin one was winning the idea of you. And can win this war is no longer about just not losing it or mitigating what they have to give up russia it's about winning the war, that's one. The other word weaken that You asked in its nato allies, want to weaken the russian forces so much during this conflict that they would think twice about tat it do this again, they would make it impossible for russia to be able to have their forces and equipment in order to a similar evasion down the road again to ukraine or anywhere else let's bring in former nato Supreme alive, commander retired forced our navy, admiral james to breed us. He is chief international security, the law analysed for NBC news and MSNBC. Also with us executive editor for news

New york or dot com david road good. To have you both with us this morning, rules readers is striking. Is it not? We ve been talking now the past six seven eight weeks it is king, how the sun stow has been slowly turned up bit by bit to a boy all at the beginning. Of course, caution extreme caution made because it seemed like everybody from russian tv hosts to putin to your corner grocer in Moscow where worth reddening nuclear nuclear holocaust, if, We didn't allow you created just collapse quickly. The united states brushing those fears. Aside now again, let me underline what Jonathan mere said this about winning this the ukrainians, winning the war and I can't and most importantly, this is about weakening and degrading russian military power to such a degree that they can.

Ever commit these war crimes. Again. I'm curious, which I thought was about the developments this weekend. all good, and you look at these two individuals here, two pillars, american diplomacy. On the one hand, and by the way, that's the first time, I've ever seen tony blanket not wearing a necktie and low wage austin. You know who can, as I always say, freeze you in place with a look: These are the right people in the right place and speaking a place. Some may be wondering: why are they do in a press conference in front of a bunch of cardboard boxes in? The answer is because we're in a foot raise a logistical foot raise two. Those weapons that ammunition for and no one is going to be. You slow gestation. We have the best, as opposed to the russians who have shown, as they have the worse so yeah thing is moving.

In a positive direction and that's a big plus only cabinet member. You could send in this we have been very interesting, actually would be so a trio and aunt JANET Yellin, the secretary of the treasury, because a bitch what's weakening to go back to jonathan le meares rate point and lloyd. Austin quote: what's weakening russia is the money in the sanctions? That's longer term, it's less glamorous, it's less visible, but I feel JANET the island in the treasury kind of hovering between those two pillars. You see right there and so when I put it together, it's a good week. Having said all that happiness joey, continue to focus on the fact that russia has immense combat power in place, they ve been degraded but not destroyed, as a military, putin still has options, but it's been pretty good weekend.

I think you're right ted to keep in mind that there is so much suffering in ukraine and the atrocities continued. The story is coming out of. Some of these cities are hard to bear at the same time, David robe. What do we know about Putin's military in terms of how hollowed out how disorganized it is and do? Are we seeing the united states becoming more and more comfortable, exploiting that like the united states, is more more comfortable and what's amazing, is you're, seeing an autocratic regime where russian, is sort of how it out the government. Then you see that also in the military, it's how it out military. There's, no reports of junior russian officer not being able to make sort of decisions for themselves. These generals have all been killed because they banned foreign and direct these troops and Everything is just russian equipment, the tanks, all these things that russia was allegedly spending tens of billions of dollars to modernize its military and then

They was clearly stolen. There is clearly an enormous amount of grab, so it's an amazing situation in just the last point, I was by secretary blink and saying that sovereign ukraine will be around a lot longer putin is on the scene. That's again a push. tour regime change that getting a little bit out a risky, I think they're, but the message from our side. It was clear and and to clear a better one which is in russia. Good has made an enormous mistake, and, as the admiral said u s, logistics will make russia pay for that mistake admiral, the. As you correctly noted, the two secretaries were standing in front of a huge amount of weapons that are on their way to ukraine and nato western allies. Doing the same. European leaders, of course, have also been in kievan in recent days. Tell us a little bit more about how vital is that those weapons and what is needed as we prepare for what is likely an onslaught, the donbass, a very different phase of the conflict to one that

entered with a really we can and we're looking at that steel plant, Mary opel, and they as as the untold suffering, thereby the ukrainians inside, but doesn't it also speak volumes the rest, having been able to take it and their troops are being bogged down there at the plant at camp anywhere else, is a very significant military action continuing and I, for one would have guessed that that steel plant, tragically, would have fallen by now, but these defenders are leaning forward. Someone is getting resupply to them, which is hard to imagine how that's occurring. They must have enormous caches of ammunition, food access to water. You need those things to fight, so yes, the longer it goes on? The weaker, prudent looks, and all of that is additive in terms of the weapon systems. Jonathan, I think the administration as a very good job working directly with the ukrainians, I think

hopping list is pretty wealth. Bull with two. I, significant exceptions, one is more tactical ear. Last week we had the moment of the mig twenty, nine, so weak or so few weeks ago. Now I think there are still conversations about how we can put tactical jets in the hands of the ukrainians, ones that they can fly, and, secondly, anti ship crews type missiles. You saw the use of neptune to take out the mosque were very significant because, don't forget, Putin has not only the ability to to push at last. He can go by sea and come around behind those ukrainian forces. He can choke off the economy. He's got options that we need to blunt the additional weapon systems, but overall, gotta, give the administration a great deal of credit for meeting the demand signal here in our low distinctions for doing so in a timely fashion.

So the so admiral. Let's, let's go back in history I this past weekend, I was owes re reading. parts of Debbie kennedys rise and fall of the great powers to try to figure out exactly what was going on see if I can get in the insight obviously that classic book I think for the late nineteen eighties wants you to listen to their say it's its extraordinary and again, I quote a doctor Brzezinski before, but it does past as prologue time and time again. Let me read this: he's is talking about how for the west it seemed that mean china. The ottoman empire, its muslim offshoot in india, the mogul empire muscovites, Japan,

this was goin, these we're going to be the nations that would dominate for the next five hundred years at the beginning of the sixteenth century was by no means apparent that the last named region, Europe, was destined to rise. Above the rest, however, imposing an organised some of those oriental empires appeared by comparison with europe. They all suffer the consequences of having a centralized authority which insisted upon a uniformity of belief in practice not only an official stay religion, but also in such areas as commercial activities, and why pens. Development though, of any such supreme authority in Europe and the warlike rivalries among its various kingdoms and city states, simulated, constant search for military of improvements, which interacted fruitfully with a newer technologically commercial advances that Also being thrown up in this competitive for new real environment possessing view obstacles to change your be in societies entered into

constantly upward spiral of economic growth and an military effectiveness, which over time was carry them ahead of all the other regions in the global Kennedy writing about in nineteen. Eighty eight, what doktor Brzezinski wrote about throughout this entire life, its power, out here it it's haunting me this history, whining pooh is losing this war and an end. Facing destruction while you have all of these western states all of these european states that are free and open and competing providing ukraine, whatever they made to win, win obvious We all thought they were gonna lose after two or three days Can I use the word democracy. We have had for so long as significant and incoherent, understandable concern about the

klein of democracy. The idea that authority and terry states are going to dominate as we go forward. they'll be back and forth, they'll be good days and bad I would say what just happened in france is a pretty good day for democracy, and I would also point out Joe your point and doktor bees and Paul Kennedy, a great friend and mentor of mine. The long throw of history, I think, is on the side of democracy, because human nature is looking for open sees its looking for me, ability to innovate. Looking for a free market economies, people A poor Domineering, boss, in Thank you. Human nature will win out over time. That's a big part of the thesis and it play in geopolitics, as surely as it plays every day of our lives.

David. Oh you mean the final thought on that, and also on how paris was not just whatever their parents is not just a big victory for nato. Yet another setback for Vladimir Putin, paris was a huge setback for putin and look. Ukrainians are fighting because they voted for them frantically elected president. They will to live under a democratically elected president, not under. repeated sir known election yesterday, slovenia, small country that was part of a former yugoslavia ousted, returning prime minister. Yesterday there was another three for democracy. So I agree it's gonna be up and down it's a long struggle. We have problems, democracy, but that we after fight for democracy. This is an epic global struggle, and it is going well for democracy in ukraine exact.

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connections to russia in their final debate. Before yesterday's vote Five from paris, NBC bc, new senior international corresponded keer seminar with the very latest gear. Good morning. How can I put this president lacrosse war With more modest last night about winning the french election than Joe is this morning about calling the risk of not never being invited on the show again, Joe is hombre as it is, and it is an incredible victory for president macron. It's a fringe vote for stability, and continuity in the face. All worry about inflation and the cost of living the face of turmoil of of war in ukraine. of cronies. That is the first friend president's, be re elected. Twenty years and as Joe is pointing out by

Extraordinarily, why margie? But it is a split, on the one hand, you're going to have certain leaders and, of course, president Biden breathing. I believe that this morning, though, not waking up to a french presidents who he's a friend of of president Putin. On the other hand, the election did reveal justice. We ve seen in the u s, deep divisions, in france, the rise of the rights. That is, This is the biggest vote for re le pen candidate. Either father so far, the biggest both for the far right since the second world war, and you know guys we were underneath the eiffel tower lacrosse victory rally last night talking to pay as they laughed and even as they laughed, they were the about not the victory what mccone these to do, how much frustration. There is in france how much He needs to try to unify the country at how

frankly how difficult he's gonna be able to ease gonna, find that to be able to do that. There are parliamentary elections later year that will determine how much power he has. Having said, as a famous american politicians, said in the nineteenth century to the victor: go the spoils President Mccrone this morning is back it is a pot. Is he is the leader of europe, and he is able now to dictate politically globally, many of the vision? the vision that he has been laying out president Biden, gratulating with him, and also saying interesting, interesting, the tree overnight. I look forward to continuing to work with him what principle com looking for is an equal partnership with the american president with the see to say we're here- are some of the things I want internationally, another just in point just finished guys. President Mccrone

congratulated by president Zalewski almost immediately and this morning, the criminally insane president Putin has telegram his congratulate. Since he was trying to play peacemaking before the election Well, he choose to do now in the face of this terrible war. You try. Let me fascinating and and care too, to be told that I am not as humble wrong. I mean my god for people they followed the allied should they understand. That is that quite a slide since you have such a brutal assignment as we take your shot and less documents full shot. I really shouldn't fanny things in such a brutal assign I've ever had four horrific locale. I'm sure how we endured dyad. It is a really tough job, but gear is still one of the things that I had always talked about and notice french politics from afar, but they're very for the

that using their ears. This panic among the establishment in france, there was a panic during the last election were kron. one decisive way. On decisively. This time was well not quite as decisively, but still I am wandering it seems to be a reverse tromp, a fact in france, where in the united states. You always after expect doing you know. Election donald trump is going to get more support than the poor all sectors suggesting as costs a lot of people are barriers to admit to pulses of supporting drop in france it seems just the opposite, always seems it it's locked! and before that, her father, who all he's, got this big bump in the polls and that those bob's never seem to materialise. Can you up explain that to us Look. The french voter is a new

once and frankly, complex voter. So in the first round, french people vote with a heart in the second round they vote with them had I been french folks have millions of different political views and that really comes across in the many candidates in the first round of the second round. They have to choose between two and it's kind of a a grudging vote. begrudged vote really, so I think you have to go, pause, just the simple numbers. Just to give you an example that you know the Bernie sanders candidate manage all got more than seven million votes in the first round, and then all of those voters had to choose between the far right. The pan, but the establishments, those socialist is all that the centre establishment to stab mccrone. We spoke again and again managed from voters who felt stock sure management votes, as socialists remember, who went all the way over to the pan so a survey, sophisticated election, the french elections and

one, I think not just take simple, simpler readings from it Of course, the simple fact is mccrone has one and for those who believe in liberal democracy. Instability right now in europe in particular, that is a victory. This was not a chain election at present, because have framed it before. Action, wonderful, people in his words, and that this could be another breaks it or another election of president trump in twenty sixteen, but I think, looking forward it is important not to just dismiss The far right vote here in one Hence a mccrone does look like a kind of island of moderation in it, a sea of turmoil here in france, that far right, both uk continues to increase. The way has done. Then there is the ensure that either the panel somebody else with a different name, get selected at some the future,

It was on loan, of course, five years to another presidential election who knows The vote will be at that point: yeah really NBC care summons. Thank you very much alive from paris this morning, all right to russian forces intensifying their attacks on the steel plant and marry a pole. Were thousand the ukrainian fighters and civilians are hold up, making to the new york times yesterday the depth commander of the isaf battalion and ultra nationalist part of the ukrainian national guard, that's defending the factory said. Despite continue wes russian assaults, the plant still under their control bodies, his fighters and civilians are short on time and are we going to leave the city if they are guaranteed safe passage. He added quote: nothing left to defend. He also ukrainian fighters have been inside the sprawling plants march. First, noting there

talk of ammunition is dwindling and they are running dangerously low on food and water. The commander, he'll two ukrainian leaders to save the lives of his fighters and civilians saying We can't get out ourselves not without help meanwhile new video released by the battalion shows the deplore or conditions civilians inside the factory are facing idler is seen wearing divers made of cellophane, while some women tearfully pleaded quote. Please help us we're so tired of the Bombings, let's go to national security, analysed friend, bc, news and MSNBC clint lots at the big board perhaps start their plan. yeah me guess so merry we ve been talking over the last week about this situation at the steel plant. I think the real question is remember. Vladimir putin last week said Mary. When taken there,

question about. Ok, how long would they lead this area under siege with they allow civilians to be evacuated twice now that is essentially fallen away. The next should, I think, is: will there be a further assault on the steel plant? It seem like the russians didn't want to go after it. Initially now it looks like their picking up the pace more artillery fire and also whether be possibly a navy are naval invasion. Essentially, coming in from the sea in turn finishing this off bigger picture, though meagre The things that you are starting to see is resistance in this southern area. Right here the russians initially took her son. They met resistance, you're, seeing ukrainian counter attacks in many places and now you're. Seeing resistance, It demonstrations popping up in these rear areas, bigger picture is the moment to the east here, is where all the russian forces really descending. At this point from Mary, you pull your seen some indications of some small units. Some units me move nor too don't nets that would

centrally allow them to build out. What be another flanking maneuver here to try and circle the ukrainians separately This is the m access is where most of the combat power is coming in from russia you're, seeing some assault here which are zoom in a minute, but the ukrainian military in many these pockets just around our key started. Pushing and trying to get to this axis of advance here in asia, even more interesting, similar. What we see down here in the south, your star to hear about a hard key resistance movement, essentially ukrainians inside inside the rear area. The russians remember we ve talked about this for two months now they, the since could hardly advancing many these locations. How would they hold this over the time? It's much more difficult to be an actor I'm force. What for in the coming days- and we continue to see right now- is several pushes and probes russian pushed out here around seven, don't ask which is a town that the ukrainians are built up. Some defence, you see

bobby missions here. All of this, reconnaissance lots of artillery fire? Miss strikes centrally preparation of the battlefield, but the big question again is that the supplies that we saw from secretary blink insect jerry os. Are they going to make it easier to this area so that the ukrainian military can contain to build up a defence is really where the boughs can be in coming to in three weeks question our clear what Thank you very much and coming up florida, governor wrong dissenters makes his fight with disney a fish by signing a new law plus donald Trump and mike pence were both on the campaign trail over the weekend, but with varied foreign policy agenda is we're going to have reporting on that. I had on morning Joe

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easy guided said some bad about me. You did, but you know every one of the others did also fact. If I by that standard. I know the guy would have ever endorsed anybody in the country. They all said bed, but they all came back. well I mean the hour. The whims came back. They all came back, zaka, there's a lot of them and they all caveat. I would know character came back here when you are surrounded by those people. Congratulations, MR former president, former president donald trump enow high over the weekend rallying behind J d valves who trump endorsed and that states republican senate primary despite the critical things vans had to say about trump in the past, That is the tactic that trump is taking with Kevin mccarthy

republican house later muddy the waters as he sought to defend himself against allegations of lying bowed his remarks regarding donald trump, where he'd light for there but this will not pass new york times. Reporters alex burns and Jonathan Martin reported and provided audio of mccarthy saying he would urge trump to resign the january sixth capital attack, Mccarthy. The original report falls. But then said this after audio proved. His denial was a lie, they said we did. We never did I mean I. I never asked president trump to resign. We both talked about that. we ve talked about with him about running Now. Let me be very clear here: miss have never asked the president to resign. So what the book

I said was not true. I never asked the president to resign, but if you listen to the phone call, I got asked a question. They asked the question the time period about the twenty fifth amendment all I did- was walk through like anybody would. What are different scenarios. That would happen and all we did was put out the different options. Nah. It's not only did he what he did was. He said he was disgusted by it. Just like he'd sat on the floorings disgusted by it just like he told members during that time period. He was disgusted by it and said he was going to have the president step down as the president stepped down. So, of course, that answer once again he lies. It miss characterizes article article that and say that he told colleagues here s front resigned, but then he was going to do that. recording confirms, adheres more vague january tenth, twenty twenty one conversations we mccarthy and rope looking leaders as much if wasn't just expressing options he was expressing his contempt, his

disguised just how much he despised donald trump it be very clear to all of you and I'm very clear, the president bears responsibility for his words and actions, knoweth answer, but I asked him personally today the he hold responsibility for what happened? Does he feel bad about? What happened He told me he does have some responsibility for what happened. We need to acknowledge that guy what he did it unacceptable Nobody should can of. I've had it with this guy. I know what he did was already. Sir, I've had it with this guy what he did, again kevin just he lies. He gets caught lying and then he lies again. about his original lies again. I take you back to two thousand seventeen when it came out said he and two thousand sixteen

told house leaders. donald trump was The take that he was getting money from vladimir per the person who is paying trop and Dana roar bachar in his opinion, and he said, swear to god. I think it's happening he law. It about that he was shown a transcript. He said The transfer was vague, knows Van. playing the tape. Then he said: oh, never Well, despite those words, Donald trump till the wall street journal fridays relationship garthie was intact because mccarthy quickly changed its stance. Trunk call the quote a big compliment, the republic criticized him after january, the six when still back him trump, did, however, deny that he told Mccarthy that accept responsibility for what happened. Mccarthy says he spoke to the president, for the order was made. Public policy. Closer trump tells him be seen, is Mccarthy called too

apologize on behalf of the person said: tromp, isn't really mad easy and other things on his mind. He accepts kevin for who he is which really is all that's going on right now found it can serve website the bulwark charlie, sykes charlie. We had a good talk of conservatism, be other dogmatic. Natty has great book and conservatism talks about where we went wrong. I think you and I probably think we continue to go wrong. Maybe look at more than matthew does, but anyway, it's an excellent work on on review, when conservatism Here, though, yeah part of what we discussed, the other day was just lies that this has become party. That's adopted, Putin and russia's sort. Fire hood and falsehoods an end is employing, and every day we saw jade events last night going out. Why through his teeth. Just completely

lead lie once again, trashing our fbi, lying about the fbi, saying that They have illegally wiretapped donald trumps offices it just continues every day. You want from support you. Trash, the military, you gotta trash, the fbi, you get a trash, the cia, you gotta trash every american institution. The people like you, and I hold dear we What did you think about the cabin mccarthy's grovelling and lying about the speculators, and is the nature of this lie mean think about this Joe? What are you saying? Is it? Oh? No, I didn't really have a moment of decency in principle and duty. I never did anything about it and I got over it very very quickly, so not only does get to continue to lie about it he has to, ten that more brief moments where he had some clarity about what was right.

What was wrong and needs to be memory holed, so, yes, the republicans have created an alternative reality. I remember you- and I probably discuss this back in two thousand and seventeen or maybe two thousand, and sixteen and we had a sense that things have gone mad and that they were going to get worse. Things have gotten much much worse than I expected, and I was not an optimist back then. Its accelerated, because downloads keeps raising the anti, and I think he likes this. I think you like this as an instrument of humiliation. How far can push people. What can I get you to say? What can I get you to policies, for so it's not surprising that we wake up on Monday morning and find that down. is completely happy to have the next speaker of the house of representatives, possibly on his knees up advertising to him, acknowledging that he has no political future except by

Believing in repeating donald trump lies. This is exactly the way now. Tramping wants republic to behave right now and republicans are more than willing to go along with this you know, they're ready assented to believe this. Is our politicians acted sis nigh, that's not how they have acted in the past charlie. I give you an example from my personal experience. We tried to run newt gingrich out of town after the ninety eight elections. We thought he was, too much money. We thought he was willing to sacrifice too much on tax cuts, and so there are eleven of us and try to push him out of town Tom delay came to us. He said I ll help. You out, dick army came to us said help us out. It blew up everybody. called in front of you, and I will explain why everybody did what they did is very interest dick army tried to cover himself tried to blame somebody else.

tom delay, a guy who was aided by the moderates, despised by the moderates, away, stood out before this conference. When man, the rage was there, and he said you know what I'm so sorry. I thought it was in the best interests of the party. I thought newt was making too many mistakes and, yes, I admit to you, is exactly what I did and I I apologize. I made a real mistake. You know those moderates all came up in a line while dick armey was trying to cover his backside and all of those moderates came up delay. I remember Kelly. Fowler had no use for tom delay, she goes to tom, don't worry about it, we know what's going on thanks- for telling the truth. It means a lot to us delays, position and the conference admitting he was part of this plot. Actually went up where Those who tried to cover their backside never the same in the conference. It's amazing how politics This changed because of

no problem. Yet the debt would you describe means that didn't between a function, political party and a cold functioning political party, will have a certain web guidelines and guard rails and standards and say that double and across this particular line and the need to make to it to adapt. Whereas what you have now is a party where no one is prepared to to stand up and do the right thing I mean they are all terrified to be lose cheney and by the way, Picking up Liz Cheney thee than I think rather drama contrast last week the same day that we got the Mccarthy tape we had. The Kennedy school announced, lose Janey was the winner of their profile, encourage and yet so many republicans would rather kissed I'll trumps. Rang then be remembered for their courage, and I think that says something about the poor

It also says something about the incentives and our political culture right now let's also talking about the conservatism of reindeer santas. Actually, it's not conservatism, it's performance of conservatism, where you have the status of course, during the the the covert outbreak telling small businesses I couldn't run their businesses away the way they wanted to. told student, local school board sake, I run their schools away. They wanted to raise a top down approach, its think what we used to accuse levels of another them now. Now he's gone after disney attacking disney again. It's performative, but at the same time, it's going to end up costing florida taxpayers, possibly a billion dollars just like governor, bits.

Owning the webs cost texans about forts really and at four billion dollars in their economy, its its fascinating and I'm a its elsa seemed stupid. I can tell you: disney was more pact this weekend and its ever ban people in florida still love the magic kingdom is owning the lives. Putting the put republicans, who want to go national and a position where their cutting off their nose, despite their faces. I think that's really possible in an anna and I think you're right to do two things there right there to connect the dots between sort of the performance of a jerk attitude of governor abbott in texas and in the governor of florida, because it will cost the citizens of their state, a lot of money. You know the thing about RON de santis is rhonda. Sanders is not a conservative, otherwise he would not be destroying local control and it's not populist to go after disney, because I think it's really important for people to understand what he

is doing it, there's no real public policy justification for the legislation attacking disney. It is strictly and totally amount of retaliation, revenge against disney for engaging in political speech, he disagrees with the is the rights new enthusiasm for cancel culture and using the power of government to punish private business Is that engage in wrong, thank or speech or take positions on cultural issues with which they disagree? If that is the model, and I have to tell you, I'm watching as conservative media rallies around as they think you're very and through their very enthusiastic about this the model is a very dangerous moment, particularly if the wing thanks. You know we get back in the white house. Let's use the power of government to beat up businesses and individuals we disagree with and by the way were version when we want a reversal of what conservatives thought,

up until say five minutes ago, member you remember here you are. We all do not remember when conservatives believe that in all that we need to protect the private sector of free market corporations, all citizens benighted they should they are, each of them all that eve on and the attack on disney is so naked, in showing exactly what they are prepared to do very much, those charlie sykes. Thank you so much and coming up we're headed back to ukraine for alive report following president's olenska is meeting with america's top diplomat and military leader will all get expert analysis on the latest. Developments in ukraine, from retired general step twitty and a little later, the big allied, take centre stage in the state of georgia has a trump back.

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