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and I was thrilled when he agreed when dictators, dragged their feet or ambassadors filibustered matter never hesitated to speak up, and just in case they didn't get the message she would put on a snail pen signal her impatience. dozen times a day, she would ask her team. What's next turn if a boundless energy and intellect to yet another crucial global challenge. She was irrepressible wickedly. Funny. Very Stylish always ready for a laugh. She brought

the same energy to her friendships as she did to her diplomacy, so the angel better be wearing their best pins and put on their dancing shoes because if, as madeline believed, there's a special place in hell for women who don't support other women they haven't seen anyone why per yet others scale, Clinton, remembering another trailblazing secretary of state, madeleine albright, who was laid to rest yesterday, honored by world leaders as a force for good president Biden saying she could go toto with the toughest dictators. We're gonna have much more from the funeral of the late secretary if state. It was truly amazing and Hillary Clinton was truly amazing, plus a new path.

To shore up ukraine now and in the months to come. As President Biden prepares to ask congress for a new aid package- and it goes beyond just military support- and new video from a ukrainian military commander that was hold up inside that steel plant in Mary appall pleading with the international community to quote extract everyone as soon as possible also new developments, adding to fears the war could expand beyond ukraine and millions of ukrainians have fled to safety by train letter. morning. We'll talk to the head of ukraine's rail system about them. Of course you continue to put their lives in jeopardy in service of their country and their people good morning, and welcome to morning Joe, it is thursday April twenty the logic to Joe and well aid the funeral for madeleine albright.

Was so inspiring is so touching, was so beautiful. She was so incredible She really was and willie. Here you have an emigrant whose family was chased out of her country in europe. First, by hitler, then by Stalin, a one who came to america, and became made just a clear voice for freedom, for liberty four for american exceptionalism at home. across the globe. For four, they use that american power. For this same reason, doktor Brzezinski never talked about using american power all the time for good for liberty for freedom and for the very things that the people ukraine. Are fighting for right now, a timely, timely message to the people

ukraine in the world and the angels better be wearing their best pans willie. Certainly, yesterday washington did its best to say goodbye to an immigrant well blazer american hero, yeah, the embodiment of the american dream sailed with her mother passed the statue of liberty in dallas island fleeing first, the nazis and later, as you said, Stalin and communism and make it you were in the room here at the national cathedral yesterday. Some stirring speeches, of course, by those bold face names, but also by Her daughters, I thought those speeches were incredibly moving and then I know you got a chance to speak later at an event at the institute for peace, where there's a hall named for madeleine albright, who, as I say, spent her life living out the dream that she and her mother had to find freedom and to ensure it for other people around the world, is truly an amazing day. By the end of this event, at the institute for peace we

all exhausted, but in a really good way, where you ve felt so inspired by madeleine's like a sea at the institute of peace and at the funeral, you had leaders, ministers, foreign ministers from all around the world, from georgia, from Kosovo, from Bela roofs and, of course, the czech republic, madeleine albright. Of course, a refugee refugee from and and and it was, it was one of those events where you really felt caught up in the moment and Joe I'll tell you why I spoke after Stephen hadley and was sweating- I will I felt so I felt like a boy. I was told to express personal stories about madeleine albright and had this very last minute of panic that perhaps mine were the personal and random compared to the unbelievable speakers. They had in this unbelievable hall named after madame core bell, all bright, who had really changed the

world in so many ways, so much so that people travelled from literally around the world to get there to honour her of course, and they did honour their world leaders honoured her said wonderful things about the different she made and there are people like Stephen hadley- got up and spoke eloquently about the a friend she made in the EU s policy and an international policy, but your job maker was was not bad. For a new word point plan for the next marshall plan to think they wanted to hear their stories. You told the story so that when you are wholly hygiene, didn t see madeleine albright, told your father who he hired a you know why you sit down at the door. You do the work, I'm gonna find a place for your family to live and not wholly. Did she go out and find the farmhouse you grow up in your entire life.

is she is she told her father to sit down and and keep getting that that your mother needed to be thanked for all she was doing. She was gonna, go out and find her horse that- wasn't enough. She then took an active, active interest in Are your brothers were going to college and when he and get admitted to Stanford, she said well, Stanford's good will. Is your stanford's pretty good school, but that's not where you're going you're going to go to Williams says he was in charge of that as well and, of course, would call Micah. Her fathers birthday every morning, because the Brzezinski women are so apps really terrible at remembering birthday, so madeleine albright would remember. Birthdays for them she'll make. I met you had that personal touch with her, I did most of the world saw what it

diplomat. She was ass. You just got things done, but you saw so much of her humanity and we see it every time she came on the satin and spoke with us in commercial breaks and then sort of turned it on when it came to policy. But you had such a rare glimpse and there's a shout of your father over her left shoulder their a rare glimpse over the years at her humanity. Had her personal touch, you I know she loved us very much. I'm not sure why put up with us and we're we're also blessed to have known her. She gave us that horse by the way we didn't have a barn, so we tied it to a tree in Mclean, virginia you're, getting a picture you're right. It was very eastern european that was very different, but but we we loved her so much and she helped us so much and she had an impact on every phase of our development. As me,

Others grew up so more later, but we remembered madeleine albright and it was so worth it to the news. Now, president Biden is expected to ask congress to fund a new age pat of aid package for ukraine. Today, in scheduled remarks from the white house this morning to sources. Tell NBC news. The president will lay out the details of a quote massive request, which is intended to last through september, the: u s, has already provided ukraine with more than three billion dollars in aid since the invasion began, including an eight hundred million dollar package announced. Last week following spending. President Biden said the white house had nearly run out of funding authorized. Congress. Meanwhile, according to the gone. Ukrainian troops now have more than half of the ninety howitzers the. U s play to send was it emissions continue to flow into ukraine.

the united states is helping coordinate. We know there there expanding rounds every single day of all different types and calipers and we're doing everything we can. The flow continues to make sure that they that they can stay in the fight comes as russia continues to escalate its rhetoric. Yesterday, president Putin warned of quote lightning fast retaliation. Should the west interfere in ukraine? Let's bring in former NATO Supreme allied commander retired forced our navy admiral james to free this. He is chief international security and diplomacy and less for NBC news and Emily. We see and new s national later at the financial times at loose, as with us also here with us in washington, washing bureau chain for usa today, soon page nice to have you all with us, Joe

in ukraine. Again they are holding out in that steel plant, but I dont know how much longer they can. it is. It is remarkable, remarkable courage, you know I was watching yesterday, admiral bill Clinton speak reminded me, lewd gingrich, one time coming back when they were negotiating with the was shut down the great city. Now I've never seen anything like this guy, He asked you, he makes it a man. You give him everything he demands, still sitting there just shaking his head, and you act We feel bad that you have just given him. Everything he's asked for apparently bill Clinton and presents a linsky. He went to the same school of negotiations because the landscape constantly talking about what the united states has not done for him. here we have three billion dollars already three hundred million more probably coming his way demands,

It's. What is done is nothing short of extraordinary julie. off. He had a wonderful piece yesterday that talking about just the lenski is there still a bitterness towards the west. At the same time, even they recognise how much united states has done. but the minded administration not even rolling the rice said they their stand. They understand the constant complaints about the west from from so escape, but I'm just again, I would like you to let the can people know right now those watching this morning? just how much the united states has time to keep Ukraine in the fight and what this new aid package means. It's an enormous step in and really, if you look back to say world war to a new law, what the united states was doing for a very beleaguered vary in

gold, the united kingdom, this is really beginning to hit those levels and, in fact, were hearing historical echoes, as you know, Joe of the land lease programme, which was kind of the cornerstone of what Delano Roosevelt did for winston churchill We are in same mode. Here with our friends in ukraine, and I think the stakes are equally high, so we can do that. Slut also recall from those days once you get the arsenal of democracy, as it has been called r r, a bill to produce real combat capability once you get a rolling watch out, and so we can do this, be it's the right thing to do and in back to our dear mutual friend, madeleine albright, One of the last conversations I had with her We in this here was

in about nato in the nato role. In all this, you know, Madeline effectively wrote the strategic plan for nato in twenty ten go back and read. It holds up pretty well in sheep, said even then, before the invasion. In the end, this is gonna be about our ability to put weapons in the hands of ukrainians pressure comment we're doing right, it's the right thing to do you know I, I am curious. You bring up the parallels with the linley sacked and world war two. I am curious if, if this continues much longer. We don't find ourselves in a position where we were in nineteen. Forty, two nineteen, forty three when it became evident even to the germans, that, because, in united states industrial power, german It could not win the war. It became a fait accompli. Reminds me of again I've gone back and been reading David Kennedy's rise and fall of the great powers. Again. He and, of course his classic, I think, was from eighty seven or eighty eight

and you read about that and it is, it is one empire. After another, that collapses, because its industrial input is is overwhelmed by foreign adversaries, and I've said time and time again here, even before this invasion, We have about thirty five forty times the amount of in depth real production in the united states and the eu verses russia. They can't. I can lay can't keep up with a scam they they're going to have to sue for peace or be destroyed. absolutely correct over time, Stu a couple other numbers very quickly. I think times. Americans feel as though well the russians and nato are roughly equally armed could not be further for truth, the russian entire defence budget is seventy billion dollars the debate.

Budget in the united states alone is ten times that well overs, seven hundred billion the russians have five thousand combat aircraft, nato twenty eight thousand combat here crack russia has a Essentially, a handful of capable ships may be a hundred Nato has seven hundred and by the way, scratch one the russian ships its flagship, the moskva so being Joe. It's not true the industrial. My it's what exists today. All at augurs very well for us, clarification in the russian mind, but here's the problem. Problem is of latin. Putin he so personally invested. He so deeply angry any still has other weapon at his disposal, chemical weapons, god forbid nuclear weapons. I think the latter extremely unlikely. The former not of the range of the imagination and

can you cyber as a very significant capability so near showing his face. Now these angry bitter frustrated man, whose personally invested in that sure he's coding up the score and industrial capability and budgets. But we you do everything we can to make it clear to him. He can when this foot grace until then he continued to terrorize the people of ukraine. A ukrainian marine commander is appealing to the world for urgent help to evacuate the thousands of civilians and fighters still trapped inside that steel plant and marry you put in a video posted online yesterday. He urged the international community to quote: extract everyone as soon as possible. He said in part. The situation is very difficult. There is a big problem with water food other supplies. He also said there are six hundred injured fighters inside the factory, adding their no

occasions are personnel that can help them. Meanwhile, local officials accuse russian forces of terrorizing the remaining civilians in the besieged city and said ukrainian citizens are stripped of their phones screened and identified. There was we'll call the filtration process before they can enter or move around within marry you book a ukrainian human rights official said russian citizens do not need any permit or identification. So admiral. Let me just go to you again on this. What about the question of extraction? It's clear that vladimir Putin and the russians are not going to allow these humanitarian corridors for all their nods to it to get into mary upul. There are people dying inside that plant they built have food and water. They don't have I supply through all their courage. You wonder how much longer they can hold up. What's left here to save these people. The only if you will

immediate tactical thing you could think about, would be to extract them by sea and boy deserted complicated instantly very, very difficult and gets us back to the sea. Concerns. We have with putting up a no fly zone are putting nato boots on the ground, but per Perhaps one could be thinking about using the sea, create a notice to mariners telling the russian stand back. That's very complicated and very dangerous. I think the best path, while remains a negotiation with putin and perhaps putting more pressure on the economic side, with with a Take your goal, a tactical one. To begin with small note of pretence,

here we just saw a and exchange of hostage being held in the united states for an individual that we get appropriately incarcerated here in the united states. The russians are transactional. Perhaps there is a transaction that can help here so I hear from the president and a little later this morning and susan. I wanna get you on that, but at least you have a peace, its Putin the war on behalf of men and you the backlash against modernity by putin, is both deadly serious and irresistibly comical explained this place. This is the main factory, but coming not just from the likes of talk, karlsson, man and the right in this country, but is coming from the kremlin which is this idea that russia stanza masculinity trinity for western today Snow values for men for test us

for I am marshall, virtues and what's happening on the ground. Ukraine one Heaven of ukraine. Soldiers are women, they have algae Bt Q break aids. They have gay people fighting for the uk, the administration when the gay, even though ukraine is a fairly can to society. It's it's a gay pride. come in handy russia, and so this is deeply humiliating for protein. There are women soldiers. out of this. This very effective resistance. That's and maybe even wholly defeating the russian military operation. We should under an underestimate the degree to which putin pays attention to the culture was in the united states and feed into them. For this, also in information more against western democracy,

I'm his allies in democracies in France who, of course lost last sunday, but also the protista right in this country, these, these groups work in a very closely together and poaching knows how to signal to them. So We shouldn't underestimate this aspect of the war, the information war, so that Susan page, you want to get back to the aid, that's gonna, be more. Aid announced more aid going. Obviously, ever most people want to see this war end and see the ukrainians prevail, for those are somehow follow vladimir Putin, but you know as much as we can give to this one area of the world we're still stock with this crazed, angry man stuck in time who is fixture on the world stage. It's almost like the aid as a band aid that again just puts the problem off a problem.

loose was framing. That has many prongs till it. We know what is interesting when we think about this new effort, for you this aid and the incredible amount of money the united states is giving We're going, officials did not think there would still be a war to fund. At this point, I mean there was an assumption by the west that by this time the war would be over for a russian invasion, and that's what has given the ukraine, ends and presents unless he the ability to continue to man more and more and more because ukrainians have paid in blood. and they are they or their even without our troops on the ground even with the limits of the: u s, involvement and and paying the price and that has made the case for americans descent. It really was amazing. On the show. This week the foreign minister of Ukraine saying we are paying the price for the world's safety

and the end with such resolute com. Saying we're doing it- we're paying in blood everyone stay with us admiral stay with us and will continue this theres many more headlines to get to still I had on morning Joe, there are growing fears that the war in ukraine could expand to other neighbouring countries will get to that reporting plus. Will be joined by senator Chris coon's, who is pushing congress to take a more active role when it comes to ukraine? Also, this morning, beijing cracks down on restrictions amid a spike in covert cases. The government has put down protests while drones make public announcement telling people to quote control your souls desire for freedom, aloe and anthony vouches sounds cautiously optimistic about the end of the pandemic, but he's not attending the white house correspondence dinner this weekend after the gridiron dinner a few weeks ago became

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look at that shot me. I feel like singing lee green. Would now be. You know everything once life while green one. Why? Every once in a while there is a quote betting absolutes, what freedom means that, as we look at this, I remember martin Luther king reverie mountainside, let freedom ring right. Robert frost, I always that robert frost, Robert frost, said freedom lies in be bold and I remember reading it's, a quote from Herbert hoover herbert hoover, who said freedom is the open window through which pours the sunlight, of the human spirit. Isn't that beautiful pierre air willing in a few minutes we're going to be talking about a new quote that they there they they spread in china when they're talking about political,

right, lounge going over people's heads in freedom fed says control your souls desire for freedom, well, that's clearly have to ask why free democratic societies prevail over oppressive, tyrannical authoritarian societies. We always do every like couple of decades. People start whining and say: freedom doesn't work, it's too messy. It's too ugly. People are always fighting and they say nasty things about each other. You know and the ideal work at what you look what's happening in China. There's no history there, they ve paid on the future, because you're trying to enslave people start control your souls desire from freedom. It's a far cry from every mountain side. Look Freedom reigns.

You know. I wanted to add to your last exhaustive list. George Michael's. Nineteen. Ninety hit freedom. I will not give you ass. I will not let you down freedom, yes by george, Michael yes, and you have twenty five million people in sharing. I mean literally lie didn't fenced into their homes. You can't suppress the basic human instinct for freedom in their starting at sea. Some push back to the extent you can push back in china and by the way, their talks that this might be coming to beijing next, which is full locked down. day in your home? Don't leave and fly drones over your house and say now very suddenly what they ve been saying: sort of implicitly forever in china suppressed Your urge for freedom, control yourselves desire for freedom in something and again at a loose. We have seen in just the difference between russian troops and ukrainian fighters, russian troops coming in the ukraine,

looting kitchens alluding homes in ukraine and wondering why, in the world, they are so far behind this nation that wasn't even supposed to be a nation according to lead, we are putting their they're getting around on the battlefield and now, of course, ladder a person is failing in every respect, economically, militarily strategic. Equally. So what does he do? He dials up old, cold war rhetoric trying to scare us back into an the cold war, Somebody made the joke that russia declared ukraine to be part of russia and then made the mistake of invading russia in winter. Clearly the morale of them were out of russia's troops, is something we couldn't know how no it would be. So when we had to what susan was talking about earlier these like of a lightning strike in late february. their capturing cave, etc

We went missing. I really key evenly intelligence agencies were missing, a really keep out of information that which was ukrainians are motivated, and I if this has something to do with freedom and the russians, weren't in fact the russians didn't even know- and you know where they were going. These conscripts thought they were on training exercises and have been told again and again craniums brothers- but the larger issue- I just want to get back to something- have most of readers said earlier. It is that precise because the russians are being outgunned, outclassed defeated. essentially that nato is stepping up its supply, every day, even the germans now going to send in tanks they finally been. I guess shamed into sending heavy weaponry cisely, because of that that we should fear these increasingly unsubtle. Hence by putin, ever off

true chef is that national security hawk about this going nuclear. This is the one area tat. nuclear weapons were russia? numbers ass and therefore I don't think that you know we can't justice ministers is bluff bluffing by putin, o plaster I think that these scenarios are being taken very very seriously in the white house as. potentially very real, Let's talk about how russia is doing militarily, amiss

I can military. Analysts say those forces are continue to make advances in eastern europe, but strong resistance from ukrainian troops is slowing their progress. According to the times, russia relied on swift advances of tanks deep into ukraine when it first invaded ukraine back in late february, but that strategy failed the times reports a military analyst with the institute for the study of war, a washington think tank, say in their most recent assessment on Tuesday quote. Russian forces have adopted a sounder pattern of operational movement in eastern ukraine, which is allowing them to bring more combat power to bear in their narrower goal of capturing the region. Meanwhile, Ukraine is asking the Biden administration to provide it's troops with armed drones. The request comes as british defense ministry updated it's intelligence. ford, saying russia is still relying on a heavy air bombardments, as it turns its efforts on taking control of the east and south of ukraine.

Admiral most Rita's. Does that assessment line up with which you are seeing and hearing from fellow commanders? Fellow former commanders who know this area very well, this was supposed to be served. Avery start of the war for vladimir putin in russia. Failure at first didn't get to keep didn't. Take the capital, didn't install a puppet regime now just focusing on the donbass how how's it going in these early days. back to the traditional russian way of war, which is to grind it out. terrorized the population to Throw mass at the problem in Putin has a better opportunity here than he did. Trying to execute. Witches forces were clearly unable to do competently the kind of issue. Screen. You just talk about. Thank god, partly it's because of their own incompetence? Partly it's because we were even then, getting weapons in the hands of the ukrainians. Partly

simply the spirit and the will of the ukrainians to resist. Now, when you're back ground. Down day after day, you say tat, for a problem for our ukrainian friends to quit final each year by the way that sir british intelligence report, which is extremely credible, very balance very nuanced, now two maids fifteen thousand russian dead killed it action. In the first months of this war, as we have said before in the entire. U s! Fight in the rack in afghanistan. In twenty years we law, so far, far fewer maybe half that number so that will overtime way on this ability to deliver tearing combat combative scale and then finally, Joe great series of quote somebody add one another one, I think, is relevant here, which is Napoleon

Of course, some by feet, five inches taller. We talk about endlessly, and so I loved equal. Napoleon because short people have to stick together in this hard line. poland and by the way I love that add loose brought up. The the failure of napoleon in invading russia in winter, which is exactly what's happening, but here's the quote a leader. Is dealer in hope, a leader is a dealer in hope, and I that's one. So linsky is, I think, that's what pray. a Biden is- and I think together the west and the ukrainians because We will take that side of the bed. I think, will succeed here, yeah. I guess I can. I just say one thing: I apologize meek, forgetting you'll get I just

can you really quickly just for our viewers, because we have a very well read audience I ice? I read Andrew Roberts, biography of napoleon and was stunned, despite the fact I've been reading history? My entire life over? You know well over five decades. Now I was and by how little I knew about napoleon how he would ride out how he would go in the middle of battles. He would personally put metals eye on, people he. He was willing to let even the lowest infantry officer yell at him in front of others and tell him what he was doing wrong. He really is we. I, I think I think we have for some reason, we have a blind spot about, revolutionary holy unwise for for us. What we read in america is he's. The guy that try to take over europe failed created

they are the congress of vienna and that seems to be how we america view, but Spied all of his many many failings, say that about everybody, but by some of his dreadful failings especially in our hemisphere and caribbean talk about, napoleon really quickly and just tell people but where they should go to read more about this guy who really created modern europe the andrew roberts biography by the way, Andrew Roberts, biography of churchill, another significant figure is well worth pursuing and comparing those two figures is a very interesting thing to do. Prism of abandon robbers, writing napoleon reshaped europe. He created the idea of a citizen army. He was a d please inspirational leader,

many of the norms that we think about into modern legal theory oh by the way he sold the united states about half of our country in the louisiana purchase made me the best steel ever even ahead of seward's purchase of alaska, so napoleon was imaginative. Creative in inspirational and loved his soldiers. He was a soldier's general. He made some significant mistakes both on the personal side. Shall we say as well as on the military side. Notably as soon as is our friend loose reminds us. Invading russia with all its strategic death. There are some lessons there on this one swell, but yeah, there's a lot to admire about napoleon bonaparte d and some good. Looks to read and admiral. Thank you very much for being on the show this morning now to the story that Joe and well, I kind of backed into which is,

do here on morning Joe. We talk about the story before we actually get to the story, but here's the story in an effort to contain an outbreak of cases. Authorities in China have ordered nineteen testing for around twenty million people. The move has triggered panic as residents fear a harsh lockdown, and be sinews. Correspondent, generous mikey friar has the details chinese authorities, ordering mass covert testing in beijing nearly twice a million people rounds of mass testing this week to contain an outbreak of what officials say is roughly a hundred and forty cases a trigger panic at stores at one point- some shelves stripped bear despite the government saying, there's enough food

the growing worry here that a locked down is coming. That's what's happening in shanghai, citywide, locked down of twenty five million people. Now in its core, we already using harsh tactics to enforce it like metal, fencing around departments two barricade residents in their own homes, disinfection teams, roaming streets mask nineteen centres full government has put down protests while drones tell people control your souls desire for freedom at the shanghai. Can this of n y. You, students are stuck in their dorms anna catalogue is one of several american students there. I do a little faster that has to keep going on this law two years into the pandemic. China, zero covert strategy now faces its biggest test. Wow

I smack a freier reporting for a susan page to act out the economic impact around the world of. What's going on there right, I mean first of all, there's a scene of these people. Is human beings being subjected to the kind of steps it seemed just unacceptable to us, even as we try to deal with covered here in this country, obviously repercussions for us in terms of our trade with china in terms of the supply chain, problems in terms of inflation increasingly concerned here in the united states. We see a big focus now by the the binding demonstration in congress and trying to address inflation in part due to these supply chain problems. China, part of that in part due to ukraine, till only with energy prices yeah between pandemics and war, there is a whole discussion to be had about interdependent and dependence on russia for forever for oil and gas and china for so many things atlas, and even when we

used over last year. He is talking about globalization is as a force for peace right right now. It took about weapon, ized independence, where eyes and dependents, and course, with russia and the west, with dignity, scaly, but, more importantly, in terms of impact on inflation, on on global supply chains and on lowering our growth. These not vans in places like sharing. We shouldn't forget china, might have had the strictest zero covered policy of anywhere in the world, but it a very low vaccination right with bad vaccines with chinese. vaccines that are not effective. defies Medina asked resent occur and the one of weeping I can in the west, so we ve all got immunity Sixty percent of americans have had this higher percentage of britons we gotta Munifi, the chinese don't have immunity. They haven't had covert, so very, very, very dangerous point where these

lots of luck. Dams are not coming at the end of a pandemic, but could be the sign of normality to come for months. If not is job may I you know, add, isn't it something we I was just Talking about the messing this of freedom, that sometimes freedom is messy, sometimes we find ourselves sometimes people use their freedom and don't use it wisely, I think the pandemic is a perfect example of that, of course, things were terrible were in the united states. We we had fights over cove it, but more free to go their own direction, make their own choices? a million people have died. I dont know how much you that could have been mitigated if we had done everything perfectly from the beginning,

as you said, because we were free to move because we were free to make mistakes because we were free to do things away. We thought best for ourselves and our family bout. Ninety maybe Eighty five percent of americans is now estimated have already gotten cove it and as as we ve heard on this show The united states has a high wall of immunity. Now Scott got lab says it's the high wall of immunity that is now guaranteed, then that when most of us get covered with vaccines and and and that high wall of immunity- we're I'm going to get seriously sack and die it's and then you, china, my god, Trust is extraordinary, what's really worrying about this so saying just before is it. This is a sign of things to come, we're not monotony.

The tail end of china's pandemic, we're talking about it being in the midst of this pandemic. and groaning vaccines. That pride is preventing them, maybe money and may be availability from getting the western vaccines that are much more effective. So we haven't yet begun to see a serious road out of the effective vaccines in china because of these lockdown arisen. Natural immunity is using paying is asked with the twentieth party congress in october, where he be made president again and he will break precedent going beyond two terms which is in the chinese rule for for for a generation, and this is clearly a very delicate moment. He doesn't want any covert outbreaks. He will therefore keep locking cities like beijing and shanghai down and impact

in the us. Our inflation rates are good supply, our growth rates and susan, real quick. So it pulls us into directions. Right I mean we, the economic globalization questions about whether that sustainable but dependent, and the war in ukraine emphasise how much we are interdependent, interconnected, whether we were to be or not exactly, Ed, loosened susan page. Thank you both very much for coming in this morning, great to see you and coming up michigan state senator mallory mc mauro made national headlines for standing up to a smear campaign and Four voicing support for marginalize communities, we'll talk to the washington post, Jonathan K, part who's, calling on democrats to follow her led also ahead. Railways have been a lifeline for many ukrainians to escape the war. In our

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the reason that our roads, or in bad shape after decades of disinvestment or the that health care costs are too high or that teachers are leaving the profession. I want every child in this state to feel seen, heard and supported, not marginalized and targeted, because they are not straight white and christian weak let hateful equal tell you otherwise to scapegoat and deflect from the fact that they are not doing anything to fix the real issues that impacts people's lives and I know that hate will only win if people like me stand by and let it happen. I slipped a district when I ran for the first time and mean we ain eighteen, so I represent what was a republican district, I'm a democrat and It is this exact tone that the people I represent. I represent mitt romney hometown one

once budgets and want the government to work and want us to attract and support businesses, and don't I hate people because they Our differences, and there was, opportunity for the republican party aids and go back to debating in our how we spend tax dollars, but instead it is false fringe q and on it for hateful rhetoric with no actual policy, so that you know I see it every day, but part of the reason that I really wanted to identify myself is because This moment, is going to require street christian, suburban moms, to stand up and get uncomfortable and say this is not. Kay because odds are you know. A lot of us are probably pretty comparable and ok, but that doesn't mean this is ok and we can stand I can let it happen mission

state sen. Mallory mcmorrow appeared on our show last week, the morning after her impassioned speech, pushing back on g, o, p smears and standing up for marginalized communities. Associate editor of the washington post. Jonathan kay part, is writing about her stand in a new peace entitled, don't let mallory MC mauro fight, bigotry alone and Jonathan joins us now he's also. The host of the sunday show here on em as NBC, also with us staff rider at the atlantic mark labour, which his inaugural peace, for the magazine, is entitled just called trumpet loser. At the moment, and we like the bad and former white house, director of communications to president obama and director of communications for Hillary Clinton's, two thousand and sixteen presidential campaign jennifer palmieri. She is co host of the circus on showtime and Joe a lot of great topics here, but I will,

I will tell you mallory mcmorrow. That speech has stuck with me and it makes me think about how that is. Is contained and used by democrats fighting toward the mid terms, but nine right, fumbled, not farm, bold, like in it pop up to our field in fenway. By the way, just great guess this morning you look at I our the lillibridge booking question. Boy passed by other than that great workings this morning, always questionable Jonathan K part though Jonathan I am speaking as a former republican, and I always would say god, Democrats or so easy to be there just so we can sit back in their shocked and stand in their deeply saddened that they never fight back, and I I kind of thought fit in nineteen, eighty eight democrats would have learned from the Dukakis campaign

you admit what you don't deny that's what I love about the speed of your writing about I'll with a fact She said wait a second now. Why does island there They make me the other. I may straight wide soup bourbon ma. they're trying to make me the other I think what was a brilliant about. It is the issue, pointed out how strange actually, the republican wasn't. One thing I've been adjusted about democrats note from such up and let you talk about it. It is a democratic against republicans. I'd say whether second, We are the others. You guys loud and guidelines to airports repeatedly. Here q and on four eggs. You action We followed a guy who said, put blue wage and do your body and shovel lines under any fears, can instead

just following matters and you believe cranks onto you tube. Instead of your family doctors of forty years, you believe italian dunes with lasers, where the election and wish to ours. Paisley users, you Current gods, the others new republic, kids, are food. weeks and I started to hear that a little bit, michigan, I wonder why Democrats don't say that more what maybe they will start Joe. What I love about caesar, what I love about merrimac morrow speech- is that it wasn't just the words the words themselves were powerful and needed to be said. It was the fiori behind what she was saying. We ask that when she practically roared straight, why and christian. I fell

but in my soul, because I've been waiting for someone like her some one to see that to reclaim their reclaim their values, reclaim the moral high ground I ask I think it's very important for her to not run away from her christian identity to say, yeah and puts it back in their faces. You guys say: you're the party of life. You are the party of moral values and you're the the upright standing citizens. So you know I'm a christian and I care about black people, I care about jimmy to people. I care about my neighbours. I care about my oh americans- and more merriwig morals, get out there more in makinsons, yeah, Missouri, morphine governor Gavin, a new someway interviewed in February. Who is saying the same thing: saint Democrats, we know the playbook we No, what republicans and conservatives are going to do, let's

I eat them on their turf, which is why he is taking that texas, abortion law and using it to go after gun manufacturers. Democrats. I hope this is a sign that they are no longer afraid to Joe's point to fight back and fight back. hard because they have the issues on their side. They have the moral high ground and they should stand on it and beat the budget. I'm worried because demo, I took it so frustrated watching them respond to Will it can trigger antics like legislation in florida, about talking sexuality. You can't talk about sexuality if you have a classroom of kids from kindergarten to third grade kidding me as you have people in florida, and I completely I please down miss characterize this. I completely fail. Pain of some one who feels infringed upon because

law and feels like their truth, might not be being recognised and wants to stand up and talk about that and be rod to tears, totally validate and respect that. But that's not the response Democrats need to have in terms of fighting to win in the mid terms. They're getting triggered by this law is at an end and letting it bring them down publicly. Instead of saying what You're kidding me, you're gonna deny my troth. Let's look, let's take what georgia said. You're gonna deny my truth. Let's look at your truth and go right back at them with the freak show that has been the rope working party for the past four years, a complete freak show, and it has literally given birth to more freaks in congress. Literal freaks, whose view lies, who pull, who are bad. it did and who make their days worth it to themselves by going after conspiracy theories and being cruel. That's the republican party

today or living by lies like finding a way to lie again Kevin Mccarthy there's so much to work with, and yet there get caught on things and become emotional yeah, they we just spent a weekend in florida for the circus, and I feel like a week I spent a week there. I read limos and piece in the atlantic. I read jonathan speeds, I feel like there's, there's an answer here. Mark bout trump adjacent candidates. People like round the santa governor of florida like like up like a more polite, a more strategic version of trump and mario mauro issues and issues of michigan. But the fight is taken on as the fight that to santa started in right loretta. He is he legislates by gaslight it all? There is the disney bill, but he did and retell retaliation for disease standing up to the to the parent parental

it's an education bill, that's a fake thing. As a matter of fact, the legislation was a real to not actually do what it said. It was going to do the parental rights in education, with the with what the opponents called don't say, gay bill so a fake issued no right teaching jean sexuality to third graters yeah florida and then even have a stop. Woke act which is just to memorial lies what isn't ron de santis his head, the things that you can't teach in school, none of which has been taught in schools, so the only way to fight back is the way that she did it where you, where you are night, owls down in florida, they're not doing that, we talked to one state rep who who who she is pushing back in late and calling this all out. But most of them are. to say it out loud Mauro said it's in your peace. When you fight back pretty particular way, people fight back when straight people, fight back and christian people, fight back, you take away their power, so willie, jumpin, yeah! Mark european new peace was just involve less read some of your first by the way for the atlantic, its titled just

tromp a loser in mark rights. As quote trumps bizarre and enduring hold over his party, has made it verboten for many republicans even utter publicly the unpleasant fact of his defeat, something will readily acknowledge in private. I caught up recently writes mark with several trump opposing republican, strategist and former associates of the president, who argued this restraint should end way for republican to depose trumpet twenty twenty four they said will be to call trump a loser as early and as brutally as possible, and to keep pointing out the absurdity of treating a one term twice: impeach: seventy five year old former president, like a kingmaker and the heir, apparent trace trump, wasn't an ordinary election defeat either. Some Heavy republican challenger needs to remind everyone how rare it is for an income at present to lose reelection and remind the former president that he once called

the person he lost to the worst presidential candidate in the history of presidential politics. Don't let him get away with that. The cabinet of critics urge abandon all deference and don't forget to troll the trawler so mark. Let you expand on that peace little bit, but in the context of what just happened over the last week, which is that we have given me the on tape, trashing donald trump saying he was going to pursue his resignation or the twenty fifth amendment and then when its revealed in the new, both by our spurns and Jonathan Martin, turn tail and running and making apologies to present a drum going active members of congress. He may have offended on those tapes and saying I'm sorry, can we all be friends? I love donald trump. I want to be speaker of the house, so in other words, the approach of going at donald trump seems to be not only one that is not affected of, but one that most republicans are terrified of amateur.

The key word there is terrified. This is a two step that is so numbing It's familiar to everyone which is saying one thing in private about donald trump and saying something completely different about dear leader when there's a microphone attached to it. It's not exactly a news flash that that politicians will say something a little bit different in private than public. What's interesting about this era, certainly of republicanism is the just yawning gap between what is known to be true and what can be safely uttered without drug triggering and It opposite the the leader in exile that at mar a lago, and I think in some ways we're all talking about the same thing, which is, as jennifer said, government government by gaslight I mean they're, not they're trying to sort of throw out these real truth. What that is like the fact that it exists and donald trump head that he actually won the election has now

become the talking point for the republican party that people have to try to factually justified. I mean essentially, this is It's about calling out dirty little secrets, whether you are stay rep somewhere saying hey, look by the way. This is not about these bogus issues. You're talking about it's about like paving roads and balancing budgets, lit to be real here. It's really hard to lose a re election campaign if you're donald trump. I don't know why you're asking for more of this and this report and starting to republicans and it makes them uncomfortable. It makes the president comfortable. It makes him angry it drives and not as an added benefit. Do you know look? I am a big advocate for this, not as someone who is giving strategic advice to anyone, but as someone who likes to air truths like this and who thinks it's healthy for or parties the matter, whether democratic republic and to speak in the realm of reality mark it's interesting as you suggested they

call him a loser, republicans do call him a loser when a cat. Is not on. They understand that this is the first skies and herbert hoover first one term presence in serbia neuber to lose a white house to lose the house of representatives to losing united states senate. They all know, Democrats guy put somebody new on the supreme court because of what Donald trump did in georgia. He single handedly destroyed republicans chances of maintain the senate by what he did in georgia. He's doing it again with herschel walker. He's chosen the wrong person again. In the georgian gubernatorial race. I guess the question is this Is this a strategy central begins, aren't going to implemented that the Democrats, just a baby, just do it and look at this? people going he's the kingmaker and the republican party. Always you really there's no

neither donald trump hey did more than brian camp. He repeatedly his bashed fry in camp, just plainly trash down because Brian come wouldn't Pete delights, one of the wealthiest people want twelve biased republicans in in a way In office until he was asked to lie about a presidential election by truck donald trump. Any refused to do it and he's gonna absolutely crushed in georgia, which you georgia's kind of the new florida, its georgia, georgia, georgia, its critical state and twenty twenty four. I mean, I think, Democrats would have to do so differently and I think republicans, conservative big as fellow team members here they can say. Look you know you can republicans have basically underperformed in every elections since twenty sixteen compared to their earlier ones. Trump when he's on the ballot, he actually brings a lot of base out to do which was helpful to us.

of congressional candidates, especially in twenty twenty, but the fact is, I mean trump has been bad for republicans getting elected down ballot and I mean yes, he has juice turn out in some cases, but they ve been pretty consistent in looking at numbers. The report, in the garden and look every time. There is a break camp like Paul and conceivably result going forward that rapture and that invincibility is going to do this sort of continued a sort of entrench itself next to trouble? And I think it Democrat you're to go after him. The loser illness has to expand into kind of a national conversation. Witches look He said he was gonna, build a wall didn't build a wall. He said he was a balanced budget immediately, didn't do it. If you don't obama care you still have obamacare ABC voted for him because he you can just through the list of inviting you spend it all the time whether it's the complexities climate change, the challenge, of racial injustice or the threat to american democracy get your daily,

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