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nine one because cost of this fight is not cheap, but can we knew aggression is gonna, be more costly if we allow to happen rush, is the aggressor. Now, if answer but about russia is the aggressor, and the world must and will hold russian accountable for and binding, as he urges congress, to approve a massive new aid package to help ukraine fight against russia. He wants quick passage but will explain how the fight over immigration here at home get in the way. Meanwhile, new attacks all across ukraine, including cave as in united nations chief, visited the country plus things from bad to worse. In mary, a pole as russia bombs, a makeshift hospital inside the steel plant, where fighters and billions are barely holding on form,

ambassador to ukraine. Bill Taylor joins us in just a moment, and later we'll talk to former. U s ambassador to russia. Michael MC fall on the the latest in ukraine january. Six committee right go public as the chairman announces the date of the first open hearings on the attack on the capital good morning and welcome to morning Joe is friday. Eight twenty ninth quite a week Yesterday we knew president Biden would be asking congress to fund a sweeping aid package aimed at keeping ukraine in the fight against russia for at least the next five months. We just didn't know how much he would be asking for. We heard from the president proposing Thirty three billion dollars in military economic- and humanitarian assistance, it's more than double the size of the nearly depleted

ten point, six billion dollar aid package approved last month, the president announced his proposal by acknowledging quote the cost of this fight is not cheap, back ukrainian people as they defend their country or we stand by as russia's continue tragedies integration, ukraine every day data ukrainian pay for the repression and the price they paid with their lives? For this right? so we need to contribute arms funding, ammunition and economics. Were to make their courage and sacrifice have purpose so they can continue this fight and do with renewed its critical. This funding gets approve new approved as quickly as possible, the president also asked congress to enhance? U S, authority to liquidate the assets of sanctioned russian oligarchs too then donate

ukraine ukrainian president volodymyr Zelensky, recorded a thank you, video saying he is grateful to the american people He also urged congress to pass the measure quickly. However, the funding could hit a snag. If Senate democrats try to to a covert funding bill, some measures have by partisan support, but republicans hoping to add title. We need to immigration amendments to the covert funding and listen. There's couple of things going on here joke, but as surprising as the number is that the president proposed is as surprising as the ukrainians. Ability to fight has been well, it's work together. We we look at the bravery of the ukrainians, you look at the support from the united states from germany, from the from our other allies, its work in tandem mary it it's one thing is following another: yes, the ukrainians are getting adjusted billions and billions of dollars in support of the united states and the allies

but they wouldn't be getting that support if they weren't fighting so extraordinarily well and showing such bravery and resilience and the opposite. That is true as well willie and you look at the numbers that we have been as sending their way. Thirty three billion dollars here, of course before that, thirteen point six billion dollars. We're we're up were work close to fifty billion dollars. I know during the linley sack during world war, two united Gave eleven billion dollars to britain to fight nazi germany? Of course, those were end. Nineteen forty dollars so far more than but still, as as admiral provided said yesterday, we are moving into a lend lease territory right now. This is historic and it's good to see presents olenska yesterday, grateful for four that money, believing that it has been that

as a better chance now to push the russians even further back yeah we heard yesterday morning before present by maybe announced that the package is going to be quote massive and boy- was that right, thirty, three billion dollars and, as make a pointed out, a lot of this military assistance, but is also funding their treasury, keeping our government going its humanitarian assistance at food, its medicine. It's all the things that ukraine is now asking for in one basket in your right president's olenska has been pleading for more and more and more, and we understand his urgency and he's getting it this flat out he's getting it from the united states and, as you say, america is betting now on ukraine to win this war. That's what all this investment, as we heard the rhetoric from defence You tell us that a couple of days ago, my stronger than we ve heard, maybe in the last decade or to talk.

I'm just saying we want to weaken their capacity to fight. We want to weaken their military, and this is all investment in doing just that. We ve got with us this morning. Former. U s ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, you s special corresponded for BBC news, katy, K and host of way too early and white house bureau chiefs, politico Jonathan. Let me That's her tell it. Let me start with you on this package. Thirty three billion dollars were even you surprised by the size and scope of this, and what will this do in terms of perhaps turning the tide of the war? What does turn the tide of the war? The key thing now is how quickly this money can be turned into. Weapons can be gotten to the ukrainians We will do in the united states, and nato will be doing a great job of getting these weapons out of england. Tories currently in england in most of it in europe, some in the united states getting on aircraft flying to europe

have to do now is translate this new money, which is massive, ignore exactly right into. weapons The new contracts, it has to be inventoried, be weapons that are already in our hands they get him into the ukrainian has, so that will be the key factor. Cattle k. It really is it's pretty incredible: the amount of money that's going in there. We ve heard from the very beginning that it might be a fair fight that that the russians, Lee outnumber the ukrainians. In fact, we are told it would be a fair fight from the beginning, but with aid package general very mccaffrey believe said we made just now be moving towards, idle words, these two sides could find even yet now three joe conversation with a white has sufficiently said what we could be getting to the point where the ukrainian army is as well. supplied as the

russian army just because the west is pumping so much money and so much material into the ukrainians. There has been a shift with Americans now saying very bluntly, They want the ukrainians to win the war that they want to see. Russia we can something by the way which boris Johnson has been saying for the last month, so that russia must be. We can never, so they can do they think this again. Yet Chris croons on the pro yesterday saying that it is time that the uk It should be able to win as the ukrainians defined it. Nothing that's very important, as the ukrainians define it, I want the ukraine define as winning is getting russia right out ukraine, not seeding any territory at all in order for them to be able to do that, they have to have a huge amount of weaponry, still supplied not just now, but for the weeks to come, potentially for the months to come from the west that's what america is now doing, you and about this. Before about whether this frustration in the white house at a kind of lack of attitude from the

aliens, my understanding from the pentagon on the white house houses. There has been some, but it doesn't last very long and everybody on the same page in washington this case is fighting for his life. You can't really criticise it, one person's that it morally or actually he's doing what he needs to do in the white house also recognises that the package's this big in part, because the ukrainians have asked so forcefully and so blunt bluntly for it to be this big- is gone this fast, because the ukrainians have pushed us how they can, and that's really all to those events give the job that he has done in rallying the western rallying american money to too eddie I wrote down a quick list while I was listening to you, because I can do two things at once very compelling what you're telling me- and I agree with you every step of the way I just I bit a bit as as you were talking about that, as you were talking about.

bout so linsky. I started writing down countries and let's go through these. Could you obviously follow them more closely than any of us here and just look? much has changed since then. By became president since this war it's really. It is a historical one, and eighty aware we were talking, went by first came into power about the The nato, the that the NATO alliance had been covered by donald trump that he was going to have to do. First things first care of our allies and and and become closer allies, and I kept making the point, forty trillion dollars to two trillion dollars. If it just unite with europe- would be in good shape kingdom two months ago, a ground for russian oligarchs, obviously still dealing posts, brags it france, le pen, the threat,

people worker concerned even a month ago that perhaps there can be a pro putin leader running france, germany. Now, with a mass of budget, now sending heavy weapons, poland, they were facing sanctions by the eu country was split in the half fiddle Sweden, Switzerland, all neutral all saying, keep us out of this well, where we want no part of of whatever problems are having with Vladimir putin, vat changed radically vigo country by country by country, really is breathtaking. How quickly history is moved over the state weeks, Yeah me for a moment. You know you think what would have happened if Vladimir Putin had invaded ukraine and donald trump, it still being president just

in terms of the. U s is reaction and the former white houses reaction and their relationship with Vladimir Putin. How would that of pan out? How would Donald trump I have handled a very scent this relationship with allies who felt that they had been spurned by his administration. Would they have handed over the intelligence that needed to be handed over to convince nato to move fast. So that is the terror. The ground have been laid to get those sanctions together with a coordinated on the sanctions, with a coordinated on the weapon, sending images it's it's really hard to imagine how would have pan out if Donald trump had still been president. Given the relationship between the allies, the united states, under donald trump and between russia and the united states under donald trump. So you ve got Joe Biden. There he's managed to rally the west. This is a real reform. Evil moment for europe and for nato. and the new russia is weakened. This

stronger europe seems to get em. It's really interesting. How they're watching should being weakened, and russia is now a force that people are not a sketch of the rich assessment attached to russia and even to Russia's ability to escalate this war, has shifted pretty dramatically even within the last week or two and the feeling is that in bold and europe and in boulder europe and the united states to send this heavy weaponry. To say we think it is time that ukraine when this and russia can be beaten yet we see america leading in that way. What could slow this down? Jonathan, le maire as democrats and republicans ticking other things too. This bill and then haggling over it, water, potential issues that could get in the way

well first, let's just underscore the size. This commitment and the administration officials I talked to yesterday say they did this package is gigantic and they know it. It might not be enough. They might have to have more at the end of the five or so months. They think this money will last, but they want this as us underscore. We heard for the defense secretary this week. They will to weaken russia to the point where they can do it again: heavy heavy equipment. in that way, arms heading that way to the point where the: u s can be depleting some of their own supplies and that's been growing storyline here. Is those manufacturers need to restock the equipment here in america? but you're right. There are puddle of considerations here in particular whether this package gets attached to a covert funding bill and republicans want to make it about title. Forty two, which is the measure the pandemic error measure that, unless prevented the loud asylum seekers to migrants to be returned home back to mexico

Turning to actually a policy that has become such a domestic flashpoint in recent weeks. So obviously you think we'll that has nothing to do with ukraine, but that's often how washington works and these things are being linked together here, a potentially linked together here. So there could be some political drama and calculations in the weeks ahead, and we certainly know that, as the mid term approach republicans feel that immigration, my Be their single best issue, so they're not going to let this go so there's going to be a lot of backroom dealing on capitol hill to get this money pass and into the hands of the ukrainians yeah, and president Biden said he doesn't care how it gets done. It can be attached to a domestic policy bill or on it's own,

but that this thirty three billion dollars has to get through congress. While we talk about this package, some developments overnight in ukraine, several explosions, rock the capital of key yesterday shattering weeks of relative calm in that city, at least ten people were injured in the attacks that came barely an hour after talks ended between president woloda there's a landscape and the? U N secretary general, who was touring the war torn capital to assess the damage local officials a five russian missiles hit too high rise residential buildings in the central part of the city, and ski set russians were trying to quote, humiliate the united nations and said moscow

actions demand a strong response. Meanwhile, russian rockets also pounded a makeshift hospital inside that steel, factory and marry you were, thousands of civilians and fighters still are hold up. Ukraine's ministry of foreign affairs said dozens of already wounded. Soldiers were killed and many were further injured in the strike. A video posted on twitter showed people coming through the rubble to remove the dead and search for survivors this the founder of the far right military group, the ace off battalion, issued a fresh appeal, saying quote: the situation gets complicated every hour. Our people need rest. And there may be a development this morning in trying to get those people out of the steel plant and between his foreign correspondent raft sanchez joins us now live from levine in ukraine raf. What more can he tell us? This has been frustrating that so many people for months now getting those people, civilians and fighters ukrainians out of that steel factory is their hope this morning that

make it out. Willie. There is a faint faint glimmer of hope for women and children in what remains of that steel plant president's olenska office, saying today that they are preparing an operation to evacuate civilians from them. steel plant, that's according to reuters that has not been confirmed by. b c news that unite Nations is not confirming anything at this point, but we know that they did a team down to zapper reach in the east of ukraine yesterday to get them into play. In case a window of opportunity did open up or humanitarian evacuation from that steel. Plant well, they just to inject a couple notes of caution. Here there is nothing so from the russians, and they obviously have a veto on this. They have agreed many times in the past to humanitarian corridors and they have written eggs at the last moment we ve, been speaking

way marine, whose inside that steel plants he tells us there has been talk of evacuation every day, for the last four days and nothing has come of it? He says he is not seeing anything yet today that indicates I didn't evacuation is going to go ahead, and this is one of the things that has just been so striking about this siege. These people are under and they have barely any food, barely any water. They cannot see the daylight, but then of cell service, and they can tell us about the unimaginable conditions down their president's lansky telling time magazine he speaks every Aids, the commander of the ukrainian marine unit, inside that and trying to get a sense of what he and his fighters are going through. There is no work, right now about whether wounded ukrainian troops would be able to come out if this evacuation were able to go ahead. commander, that marine unit saying six hundred of his men are wounded and he says

we'll die down there in the darkness. If they don't get the medical attention that they need so it is still a very fast moving picture here in ukraine and on the ground in Mary opel this morning, but this feels like it could be. critical day in this week's long siege willing, that videos extraordinary. You can see the horror and the exhaustion on the faces of those people who been underground for weeks wrath. Let me ask who quickly about the missiles that struck heave. There had been some sense that keep was safe at this point in the war that russia had failed in its attempt to take that city and had fallen back to the east and yet missiles lobbed from russia into the capital city yesterday? What do you make of that

The ukrainian government makes event that this was a very clear attempts to humiliate the secretary general of the united nations. These missile started raining down just an hour, or so after he wrapped up is meeting with president seleznevsky. Earlier in the day he went on a walking tore aboard yunker, that's one of those suburbs, along with boucher, whose name Well, now, just be etched in infamy as one of the places where russian forces appear to have committed mass war crimes and the from president's olenska office, is that this is a kremlin, sending a very clear message to the united nations to the international community, not to her fear with their operations in ukraine. We now know person has died in missile strike missiles hitting to residential buildings, ten p were injured? she ministry of defence, saying that they were targeting ukrainian military production facilities. This is just a reminder that, while the fight

is going on on the ground in the east. The rush more and more are targeting every corner of this country from key if to levy to odessa with their muscles willing It reminds me when President Biden was over the border in poland, and some missiles were lobbed not far where you're standing right now in levine NBC raft sanchez in ukraine for us again this morning wrath thanks so much so joe. Yes, the russian military has failed in many ways, fail in its bid goal of taking over the country and fallen back and reassess its goals in the east, but it still has the capability project, this kind of terror on the people of mary. Of course they continue to do that, but having missiles on key yesterday. yeah they've just been reduced. Terrorists, not a fighting force, and not not a world class army there. Now, terrorists they improve and they can kill civilians. They just can't when any battles- and

ambassador taylor. We heard raft talking about the fast situation, fast moving situation and marry you It's been a fast moving situation over the past two months. If you will the theater in which, as war has been fought. Remember of course, you'll. Remember everybody s, war, him, but a village again, we need Bring contacts to this when we have general, very mccaffrey use can be on our shown a little bit saying what he said. That when this war began, we are all talking about how quickly it would end that the russians outnumbered the ukrainians aid to one. We remember that convoy outside of key. That was only matter of time for the convoy to go in roll up cave and put the crony of Vladimir Putin's in power there. Here we are eight weeks later, and what general Barry Mccaffrey said.

The russians have to know now- and that is we're moving to a point where this thirty three billion dollar package that congress needs to pass. It gets whatever they want to honour, but they need to pass, but with this thirty three billion dollar package generally, Every says we are moving to a point where there may be parity on the battlefield between the russians and the ukrainians. How extraordinary is that, given the situation we found ourselves in just two months ago, oh you're, exactly right, extraordinary Ukrainian morale is a real and answer that it really made them strong You, as you just said, on the ground. The russians are using Air attacks, they're using missile strikes they're using the long range artillery, but they can do it on the ground is that you so the morale of the ukrainian military turn the tide on the ground.

I understand also Joe, that these long range taxis, precision, guided munitions throughout our gig they're, getting love there the russians are starting to run out of these, so that mean They have to depend on the ground rules and, as you just pointed out, the russian ground troops have not done well. Former? U S, ambassador ukraine bill taylor. Thank you very. Very much will be following this, and still I haven't morning Joe we'll talk to death national security, adviser, John finer for more and presidents new Request for thirty three billion dollars and aid for ukraine plus, renewed resistance, Putin's regime announces plans to impose the rouble as they affect what currency in one russian occupied region of ukraine, and china is planning to suspend its tariff on imp and call a decision that will likely benefit Roy

shall also ahead modernity. Launches a new effort to make its covert vaccine available to young children just in time for the summer. But many parents remit cautious about this year, Jim morning, Joe I'll be right back currently a record, hundred million people have fled their homes in while every one hears a lot about refugees facing persecution, violence and war in countries such as ukraine, syria and Afghanistan. It's rare to be told about the incredible lives that they can go on to lead once they find safety. U S

for un Hcr, the un refugee agency is committed to helping all refugees make the transition from tragedy to triumph, with the help of forest owners, their able to provide emergency shelter and lifesaving aid, including food, medicine and clean water, and with this support these families can then go on to build businesses, succeed in school and give back to their new communities. So when you think about refugees, think of the mothers, fathers and children inspiring us all by refusing to give up hope, despite animal general circumstances. Together every one can make a difference for refugees around the world. Please can are joining this lifesaving effort by making a donation at you and refugees, dot, org, slash donation, It's twenty eight pass the hour on this friday morning, alive. Look as the sun. Slowly comes up over a new york. Semi has to have shades on the far side of congo at the top of

ariel knowing find out in the beautiful beautiful sunrise. Yes, it is, and it's friday I like that satellite dish have varied. You have to like this. You are defending avail better. Next time now rise. Really nice, I'm just curious. I give you want to see the chargers due to go up on the balcony and aircraft which, right it was so young children in the. U s may soon be able to get protection from covert nineteen mode. Has asked the fda to authorize its vaccine for children under the just six. This comes our cases in that age group have spikes over the last few weeks and of course they can pass it on two adults and vision correspondents Stephanie gas has more on the announcement A year and a half after the first covered, nineteen vaccine for adults was authorized turn now says it has a version for children aged six months it through five years old that is safe and provides robust protection when we look at effectiveness

We see excellent level of anybody children, the vaccine Two shots taken for weeks apart. Twenty five percent of the adult dose become He says it is fifty one percent effective for ages, six months to two years and thirty, seven percent for ages to through five those numbers only tell part of the story. According to a doctor who helped conduct the trial, there was no to beer, disease or hostile savings as observed within the trial fight, we did see some. infections and robbery as enrolled, her twin failure or in part to protect vulnerable adults in the family, he was really important. To get our kids vaccinated as soon as we reasonably could, but a majority

parents of young children appear much more tentative how much shore and my way for some other kids to get at first, I think it's not necessarily at this moment only twenty eight percent of kids ages, five to eleven, have gotten to doses of the vaccine, the FDA the rise, modernity pediatric vaccine. As early as june, the cdc says: seventy five percent of children, seventeen and younger have contracted covert medical experts, reckon Ending even children who are infected with immigrants should be vaccinated number one, we don't know how long infection induced immunity, lass and number two vaccines, don't just protect against the variant that they had. They can protect against future variance, and now, after a long wait, the young among us may soon get that protection. now, you know, willie some parents in the package shelling Stephanie that they weren't really sure they wanted to give the kids the vaccines. Obviously, the risks for young children, while there are risks in far far lower than they

As you get in the people with immune mule, problems are, as people get older, but here in the good The good news is parents the option. I've heard some parents complaining that the after his drag their feet too long. They want to be able to protect their children. Will they have that option to do it? And, as we ve been saying over the past several months, people that work? the shot that certain To them, but at least say of the option now yeah. This is a big group of kids, it's eighteen million kids in america who are under the age of five and, as a lot of us frankly, have sort of moved on and try to put covered in the rearview mere and we're going out and living our lives and doing things. There is a large group of families in this country who are still moving with trepidation because they got little kids at home. They don't want to go to that dinner party that I want to go to that movie. They don't want to go out to that big public space for fear, bring bringing it home to their kids. The good news is, as you say, it'll be available very soon

families want to use it, they can to protect their young children, and the other thing we ve learned over two years is that children generally speaking generally speaking tolerated cove it very well. And has allowed us to leave our schools open, and we ve learned a lot well how this impacts and does not impact children over two decades of sudanese two years of studying this. So, as you say, it's peace of mind for a lot of families now who hopefully can get their kids vaccinated and get their lives moving in a way that a lot of other americans have already started to do that. like a boost for me gave Europe sixty or over if you I have an immune issues, yet everywhere I've got I've got a son with type one diabetes he's already eligible. I believe to get the booster he's going to get the booster if you're, if sixty or older. I e. U, you can get the best

so, if you want to get the boots were just saying, it is really said, were learning so many thanks and one of the things that were learning and when you consider the numbers now for people who are facts, aid for people I've been boosted boy It really is really lowers that the possibility of using hospitalized of you serious impact from covets so it is as doktor found. You said that we get it far more manageable time. For this entire process, so people make their own choices, but hopefully there look at their situation their choices based on what best for their health and best for the health of those around them. Coming up after months of closed door and virtual meetings. The January sixth committee is ready for public hearings. We're gonna tell you could hear from and when water and a wide has come out over the past month, do

Pretty extraordinary hearings, absolutely plus a prominent michigan Republican, says, say: allies are tearing the party apart more on the revolt happening inside the states geo p, just ahead and well but the headlines in the morning papers across the country, including a cannabis lottery happening in connecticut, we'll be right, back, Currently a record one hundred million people have fled their homes in while every one hears a lot about refugees facing persecution, violence and war in countries such as ukraine, syria and Afghanistan. It's rare to be told about the incredible lives that they can go on to lead once they find safety. U s.

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You're not gonna get at it any conversation about health of I we have. What is that? I think this will pass it'll do my recommendation. You should use. I mean that would be my take, but I don't think you take it, but I dunno what they said we did. We never did. I mean I'd. I'd, never asked president trump to resign. We both tough about that we ve talked about with him. About learning Now, let me be very clear here miss I have never asked the president to resign so what the book, said was not true. I never asked the president to resign poor poor cat god that was our out before they played the tape, what a week for the republican party you get house minority, you're a cavern mccarthy's path, speakership, throw it turned, get the disarray after kay,

prove he not only blamed on four january six, but he was going to ask him to resign. This is marked meadows text messages, show dozens of republicans desk I'm trying to returned the election wanting talking about implementing martial law in the united states congress himself. Evidence have weak, bizarre in contempt of the new york court, ordered to pay tenth in dollars a day till we complies with the state attorney general it down in florida. Its dissatisfied whose fighting I'm not making this up the magic kingdom I've got to find somebody magic kingdom. Let's bring right now for the week of the republican party, former chairman of that party, Michael still, also those of the biogas on brand with Donny deutsch donny deutsch daddy. I want to start with. You really quickly is a brand new guy. I think Democrats are making this way too typical,

I can tell you if around and campaign trail against republicans edges, I ve Is a party employers and coax. I talk about haven't mccarthy and talk about all the lies around Kevin Mccarthy. I talk about this as a party that is, working day in and day out, especially in the house with people. They talk about jewish lasers in california that target, italian do using lasers too, go actions who talk about bamboo. in ballots, that the chinese are putting bamboo and ballots their q and on freaks follow one q and non conspiracy. Theory for another you get Kevin lying again about january six, you get other members now lying for cabin. Rational members in normal circumstances, lie for cabin one. Oh, it's very obvious.

The tape. It was re you ve gotta george o brien cap new public and whose number one on donald trump enemy. Less he hated him so much. He said that he was going to support stacy abrams camp. is humiliating his can piracy, addled opponent, poor. Do right now is pro tromp piracy idle upon it can is rolling over him. You got loaded guides at the airports from republicans who he's getting arrested for ringing loaded guns to airports, and then you ve got This michigan civil war going on within the republican party. I'm just I think I'm carville is right again like don't make it harder than it should be. These people are of their might better. crazy. They are cooks. Bayer conspiracy, see theorists and just like le pen in france, there are dangerous. You don't

want them in george, even if you agree with him on some issues, even if the other side is arrogant, like mccone dispute, are crazy? You don't want them in congress. Yeah, What do you do party of dupes party of knuckle heads part of widows party of freaks of That is a simple, simple message in on underneath. it's the party of nothing that we are not offering anything all their offering is these? obscene ridiculous, half baked lunatic friends. Platforms, so these look, if I buy set you will amidst all of this, gimme one policy, one one: policy one financial policy, one, what one one one policy is bars, international relations that they stand for they stay. for nothing and The challenge, obviously, for the Democrats is, we are heading into a very, very tough economic climate. We do know that, if you're going to bring up, let's bring it up again, you know it's. The economy stupid so

obviously, what they democratic will be fighting against. We ve got inflation. Will have interest rates continue to rise and we ve got that cycle that recession recycle there, but you need to make put very afraid of republicans, wouldn't know a lot more may there about eight or nine, really, important primaries, happy we'll, go out a trumpet back candidates in ITALY, swing states in ohio, pennsylvania in all. In in idaho and it's not a swing state, but about eight or nine states that we're going to really kind of see how people feel about republicans? I think that we're going to have an early take on that, but I agree with you whenever agile, If you want to use wherever loony fringe attitude, you want to use made people afraid this is not only the party of not just the party of no, whether out blinking mind since what I would say on the campaign trail. I won't say it here because you know so kids. And so I'll I'll watch my language this time, but people still Nobody Democrats don't have to work to scare.

People about them. Republicans are crazy. As Hell, you look at the top two pieces of their top to legislative actions are the top to actions that have been taken. Let's started taxes, you gotta habit. on the libs he ends up like squaring truck drivers and growing tax is a tax payers out of four billion dollars. Just If you going to Florida, you get to is he's a does. on the lives and met just just make stuff right, he's gone and caused droll than tax airs billion dollars, and this is for core endorse. This is part of florida means lax how come you're mine and they ve got people that they deal with every day that talk about

jewish lasers, they talk about italians, rigging elections, they believe conspiracy theories and are pushed by a chinese religions called I mean, ways I dont have to work, or I can literally talk for ten hours on the campaign thoroughgoing o n. You support that and use or that at least you're taking care of healthcare, because you said you're going to replace or repeal of our way years. That died a damn thing, my

This is not hard. I mean Democrats, I'm just a single layer. Can't anybody here play this game know they can't go from them so than what's normally guy had no idea. It is I've, never seen a party that is so inept at politics. It is the Democrats. Are you just laid out literally in about thirty seconds, just three just three subject matter topics that they could just drill home with without evidence breaking a sweat love. They ve got there. God, the narrative they ve got the policy they ve got the positioning of president, whose brought stability into two things that we were dealing with here at home, from covert and in trying to pull the economy together and and got infrastructure place, creating jobs out there in and then,

then rallied made? Oh, that was fractured and all over the place around the central cause of democracy, so tat web store and then the cherry on top, is J. Always this commission, which has been a vessel rating, the whole narrative around you know this was you know, an effort to steal the election, and you know by the democrats- and we would just you know, protecting you know you were trying to overthrow the government and so the question becomes, how do they translate this narrative for the american people over the next four five months? This hearings coming up should be a popcorn moment. It should it should be, something that people are glued to their sets, one to know more about how this party went from the the grand old party of eisenhower and reagan.

The swap puddle of of trump basking bs and sick of family conspiracy theories the course try to undermine that just tried, but make concerted efforts Joe to over the government so The narratives are there, You and I could write a script right now, but a thirty second ad like okay, see it would be a michael and Michael. It would be, it would be the funniest debate. Ever been so fine because you can barium, they couldn't get a word because it's crazy, you know all the things I talked about.

it may even praying up a bit. They tried for american democracy weren't talking in tax the messages about how they are going. This word american democracy and an employment I love this martial law. They just don't know how to spell marshal willie because they're crazy, kooks yeah all of them, because if you do those people out of your party, then you're a member of that party and it sticks to you. That's right, and I would add they have such a low opinion of the intelligence of their voters that things that are on tape, telling the voters. No, I didn't say that, even though say that sitting right there on table in the case of mark meadows, writing a book and then, when its criticized immediately by present trump calling your own book fake news,

for the part of some of whose you're calling me out of this state of michigan manoeuvring, reporting on the revolt within the michigan republican party. After republicans, their chose to trump action deniers for top positions. These state parties decision to endorse trump back candidate, Matthew de purnell for attorney general in christina koromo for secretary of state. Let a long time, michigan republican insider to resign from the party state committee, tony dodd, slammed his party saying quote eating is encouraging the delusional lies of an undisciplined loser. focusing on Democrats, he said quote: feckless cowardly party leaders have made the election here in michigan, a test of who is the most cravenly loyal to donald trump and related getting the results of the two thousand and twenty cycle the new york times. Ports, dots resignation, shocked party insiders in part because of his close ties to the prominent donor network of the

device. Family betsy device resigned as trumps education secretary day after the attack on the capital saying is. Rhetoric was partly to blame, for what happened that day. There also is a fund raising issues for the michigan republican party won republican strategist. Telling the times quote a lot. the traditional donors they just walked away. I don't know how it survives long term, so that just a snapshot joe in the state of michigan. Where were we? look in. Some of them are pushing back against people. Still, who want a real it again: twenty twenty two twenty twenty election and, as you pointed out, it's happening in georgia as well The foundation of the challenger David Purdue's campaign is, and is the first thing out of his mouth at the debate. The other night is the two thousand, and twenty election is rigged was rigged, he's gonna losing my twenty five points. yeah and he's losing twenty five points in and think about where this is happening, we here that's no mere that alabama, yet on the deep south, one of donald trump

damn somebody's brags about the great support as among alabama geo peers. Well, he's at the back away from mo brooks he endorses MO brooks mo brooks losing its obvious of brooks is gonna get crushed so He has to rescind its endorsement of books, so he's already lost that when put alabama up on the board, the loser loses again then go to georgia and writing two alabama hard hard indexes and say I hear you ve got in georgia. You ve got a guy Then again we could. We could roll the tape. Donald trump went on and on about cab, Colleen, every moment the book say me: it was a loser saying that he was going to support than try what support stacy abrams before camp? So what does he do? He gets the united states senator who should be able to win what's happening well The conspiracy theorist is getting washed by camp by

food and wine margin once again in the south loser loses suggests. Talking to some Democrats, who are actively rooting for donald trump to be, as involved, is possible in these races, know that result in potentially xx, dream candidates. Now there he's had some success. He backed herschel walker, against which recalls objections. Walkers up big in the primary pulls there, but you are right to mention the camp so far has been a disaster you alabaster, which is a real touchstone state for a trump and his people. That was a sight of this first mega rally. He seemed to have missed, read the political wins there as well, Michael steel. He also at a couple times now has seen to call for his

worse than trump can was like the biggest celebrity in the race and we're seeing that, with doctor oz of pennsylvania, we're seeing that situation in ohio to talk to us a little bit of how those two states, particularly pennsylvania, loom so large, because that's the one that could control who could decide who gets control the senate. This fall yeah. That's the JD read the baby raised and yeah I mean look. The the those are big profile races because ohio and pennsylvania are are just that they're, just blockbuster states politically for the glp they have been, and in any presidential cycle they they loom large, but here's. Here's the reality here is that the Democrats, while they may not have been able to put together effective national messaging out there around a lot of this. A lot of democrats on the ground closer to the ground have been able to do that. So when you look at

their sort of setting up the narrative going into the campaigns against some of these candidates and the fallen. Even the big high profile candidates like a great events or herschel walker. It's gonna be its be a challenge for them, because those reports, can candidates are still stuck with the trump narrative in a state that not as trompe as Jos, just pointing out as an alabama or of mississippi or someplace like that. So

becomes much more difficult. Yeah herschel walkers up big in in the republic of primary georgia. Put what's gonna happen. Would he goes into a general election? That's the midst! Mcconnell problem! That's hid the he looks at this. It goes well, that's great. We love herschel, but you gotta have a harder race and generates a smooth right. Now you get to the general, becomes a different game, and so so strategically folks, like Mcconnell and those who are trying to shape and opportunity to win the Senate bigger numbers in the house, for example, are looking at these primaries and are saying: yeah trop may gets act here or there, but you're going to have some some candidates squeak through critical races that are going to be important for how, play out in the next cycle in twenty four and that's a big deal donna, deutsche carl robe has a piece for the wall street journal entitled how badly will that do.

Cried lose the mid term elections. Andy rights in part this Democrats will target from the campaign into a referendum on Donald trump attempting to peel off some of this. Ninety four percent of independents and thirty seven percent of republicans in last december's washington post poll, who say there is no solid evidence that there was widespread voter fraud in two thousand and twenty making mister trump. The center of electoral attention requires his cooperation. That could happen. Former president seems addicted to the adulation he receives at his rallies, but is domination of the political scene minute? arises candidates he's trying to advance, albeit perhaps temporarily. Most of them will record as the danger of featuring him in their campaigns and politely steer clear,

so danny. I want to get a sense of what you think of that analysis and also just why these republicans are so quick to take a beating from donald trump and then go back for more we'll talk about that after a quick break it's the top of the second, our of mourning Joe welcome back everybody alive. Look at the white house as the sun, coming up over a beautiful in washington time, a work time to get up. We ve got caddy case still with us, Michael steel, Jonathan, le mere and done a deal which will be talking with the white house in just a few minutes about the president's massive aid package requests that goes to congress. Also out of ukraine of potential move to evacuate the people inside that still factory will be talking about all the different troops

events and headlines out of ukraine, but we were talking about the damage That's how well the Democrats, but you have done a great question. I mean you know when the republicans they call donald trump, the loser binders back, because he lost the Senate single handedly laws them to send. It seem to hate him here they do. They do They call him the loser off camera, but he costs of the senate. He costs him the house. He calls them the white house donnie so make asks a very good question. Why can't bees who can candidates quitting because they now, even if they get through the primary wool are going to face hell and the general election because they get they call the loser roy round them because actually terrified of the primary they're not did not thinking three steps ahead, and that's that's all and in the number,

We can themselves, particularly you will come with scorn. Georgie, you guys have so pointed out. Look the Democrats need to continue to trump eyes the party tat less time to our trump want anything. Was two years ago, he is That's why I also sit on the show shoulder. I actually think descent. This is gonna, be the candidate because he's gone come out and just basically branch from the way they look. We four out of the same things, but he law. We can have another loser and the other I want to bring up is that we keep talking about the demo. where's, where messaging where's that messaging it's gotta come from by. You know, binds gotta get out there and we are talking about bread excuse me branding them the party of lunatic fringed, a party of rageful, not jobs, that a common, a very dismissive way, provide here I'll be out there more he's the boy the party. There is no voice the democratic party, Joe Biden, Joe Biden and I've, said this before and punished also does punch hard enough he's. Gotta

if the guy look, I'm the guy getting it done, I'm the guy getting it done in ukraine, I'm the guy getting it done over here and the other part is just a ship of fools and we don't have time for it. He's got to be, the elder just, but it's not coming from him. He me to be the guy. It's not gonna come from any place else, and he needs to be the guy bringing that way. I can't do it you can't do it chuck schumann, Do it it's gone. Come from him. you know, Michael still, it really is remarkable. You look, it he's Applicants who we talked out crazy, they are the crazy stupid things there doing trying to emulate tribe trying to follow. Tromp trying to kiss the trump, but sky again that a lot of on call a loser think about it. Think about this guy he's failed at everything he's ever done from trop stakes to losing the. U s senate.

To losing the u s house, to losing the white house in a year. That was pretty good for republicans, pretty deep, pretty good for a bargains tromp still manage to lose. You know that that then shot where they they had Poor senator from wisconsin who's got a bag of rocks and has had RON Johnson. That's why they're politely explaining to people well listen! This is Europe needs about how donald trump was the only person who didn't carries his weight and wisconsin. That was Story of twenty twenty here, we are in two thousand and twenty two and there still following a guy. You does nothing but lose well, Think all of that sort of sort of symbolized, if you will, in the Mccarthy tapes where You see, you see the civil nature of of the regime working party where inside close quarters

feeling amongst themselves. They will. be rational and they will say exactly what the rest of america knows to be factually true. Not just about donald trump, but about what's happening to the party and why, if so dangerous and bad. But then we'll get into this public space where Donald as the sharing and watching them and their behind you're changes, so Donnie actually puts the the best point on it: when you have this sort of civilized kind of reality, where everybody's personalities all over the place, you don't know which republican party is going to show up to deal with, as you have to have that that moment where the leader, the president, has the opportunity to frame the narrative, not just around policy, because this is this- is about democracy and so much more than it is about policy, and as so,

The president can make the important push on that and say look. This is about how we govern ourselves in how we move forward and these guys are not ready there. there there still living in and out of place. A you and I know, is not real and I think he's got to begin to do that they to lead him become a little bit more political, that's that, I'll and so you are absolutely both of you are absolutely right. The demo That's really control what happens here anyway? is that we have not seen one political party have the ability to do in another. Cycle if you said, I need your loved ones internationally. Do it with stern union up once you ve downloaded you can send money around the world or back home in just a few taps. So family and friends can pick up cash fast. Download the western union app and send money. Today, western union fast, easy, reliable offered.

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