Every conversation with people you haven't seen since quarantine started it such a weird time, but things to be opening up again, fingers grass, The hell is this in. Is she like my wife's friend or or kids go to school together? Is she my cousin? I can someone ever to be my cousin. He remembers he's my cousin right. I'm talking a person say it's such a crazy time right now, so it's such a crazy time right now you know so, did you travel at all? No, you no is this really a conversation? I think this is going pretty well Scooby, Astro, cautious for the rest of my life. You now which makes indigo. I adviser I got return nice

a question that leads nowhere in. Are you more tylenol or advil? Let me get the second dose knock out for twenty four hours. The second dose knocks me out for about twenty four hours wow. That sounds like a unique experience. You should tell everyone about said that out loud, quick cloud, such things you're, getting wanting you gotta know great but recently I have been going to dinner again. Do not just say: I've been going to dinner again shrinking details, or should I die I went to one dinner outdoors and one dinner indoors. Do I have brain damage? I think I might have permanent brain damage It's too clause good morning and welcome the morning Joe its Monday may tenth with us. We have White House Rapporteur for the Associated Press, Jonathan, the mere member. Of the New York Times Editorial Board Mara Gay, for Treasury official in morning Joe Economic, endless, Steve Rattner and you

national ever at the financial times at loose is with us this morning. Alright, let's dive right a ransomware attack attack that shut down the country's largest gasoline pipeline was most likely the work Russians to sources tell NBC News. A new russian criminal groups known as dark side deleting suspect in the attack against colonial pipeline? The company was to pause operations that transport nearly half of the fuel supply of the entire east. Most NBC new sources say early location suggests. The attack did not look like the work of the Kremlin and was rather a criminal plan. Ducks it is known for its extortion. Plots. Colonial pipeline has not said what occurs demanded gasoline

cheers Iraq nearly one and a half percent this morning, heating oil up nearly one point, three percent of losers is really. This is where the future of warfare maybe go, and you have these asymmetrical attacks that country can launch if they've invested enough and getting an army of hackers. They don't have to have fifty sixty years of military buildup, like the United States, just do somethin like this and shut the EAST coast down of this country, or Britain, or will you just fill in the blank, and it's a little bit like come the pandemic and that the vulnerable teacher cyber attacks, particularly of critical infrastructure, critical infrastructure has been flagged for you it's an years and years like pandemics having so we we know,

vulnerable to, and in this case you know its extraordinary mobility that forty five percent of Americans find gas cut goes through this one pipeline, the glory pipeline. I think the fact that this the structure bill coming up for consideration before Congo which is returning from from recess means that there's I might be in in a curious way, quite well times to focus mines on just how Our critical infrastructure is to ransomware attacks from private sector criminal groups, but also more politically motivated attacks from countries, Russia. So it's, a timely reminder, let's say, of what we need to get down. I'm Edwards. While I have it here, I was reading over the weekend column by Eads Eddie. I'm talking about health

Boris Johnson Conservatives did so well throughout. Most of written can you tell us while the where local elections last week, ordinarily, not such huge amounts, and there was a a by election in a formerly, very, very working class labor. A stronghold of Falmouth see the Labour Party did very a badly. Indeed, it should have done while we're in the middle of a conservative government. Led by Boris Johnson normally when the approach right benefits. The opposition but Boris swept most What we used to call the right of all concerned is that labor could rely on an that's a leadership crisis in the Labour Party under a KIA Stama Also in Scotland scottish nationalist or

swept the board. It was. It was something close to a landslide, so the possibility now of a scotch irish referendum on independence is going to be extremely hard for virus Johnson to put off so swept England, but last Scotland, which is kind of in keeping with the hull posts at a break story that it was really an English, an England Fast, an english nationalist phenomenon, and the England is becoming a conservative party stronghold, the rest of Britain, quite the opposite,. You know Steve Rattner, I know you worked the times over in in Britain, for for quite some time it is just absolutely fascinating to the map in great Britain. Compare to what happened in the United States and you ve got you

the northern part of the country- that's always been so pro labour and always been so liberal. That was where really, as you know, from your reported, that's where the teeth of anti that's your movement was in the north now just as we see in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and end our industrial, midwest, old industrial, MID West Oppermint West. You have where is Johnson and conservatives winning in Britain and play They never would have won in the eighties or the nineties or even ten years ago. This is this is a global phenomenon. We see in every election now it seems. Yes, it's a global phenomenon and its one, I think in Britain, just as in the United States, that striven in part by as well as other issues, but you do have

groups of people for whom the economy simply wasn't working under labor and who felt that The traditional liberal solutions to these kinds of problems were making their lives better and untrue. Have decided to try an alternative, and, apart from the economic side of it you again have the same kinds of social tensions. Changing demography is and and concerns up among white working. Class voters there as to how the evolving and who's going to be in charge and who their neighbors are, and things like that and so yeah. You do see a lot of the same phenomenon going on there as, as you said, and then should be a note. At least Democrats should take note that Boris Johnson Conservatives and race, they should have lost. Are still doing so well in these areas. As we move from the pandemic,

Well back in the: U S: we're following to mass shootings, one in Colorado Springs and the other in the heart of New York. City in Colorado Springs a man police say, walked in and shot and killed. Seven people before taking out his own life. He walked into a birthday party. There were at the party, none were injured police. A gunman, was a boyfriend of one of the victims and there's no word yet on a motive there. Yet though they're putting the pieces together and we're following that, then go to New York City, where police have identified a person of interest who shot three innocent, bystanders in times square on Saturday, including of four you're old girl Two senior Nypd officials tell W Nbc that Farrakhan Mohammed was trying to shoot this brother when they unintended targets were shot gun. Violence has nearly doubled in new. Cities since the same time last year,

or after the time Square, shooting Brooklyn Borough sent two Eric atoms and his political rival Andrew Gang, both among the front runners in the New York City mayors, race, stressed support for the New York City. Police, deplore. Rejecting calls of defence. The police, instead of that their beliefs, that new cities economy could not recover without public safety or more I've been following. The New York city mirrors, raised by following a lot of your reporting from the early part of the campaign and spent fascinating how really how this debate has broken down where, where the deed from the police, sentiments and that that campaigning works better than in other areas. It is not always obvious

like we are showing that british voters and where they broke talk talk about the defined the police. Argument right now as its breaking down in them City Mayor's race and why these two more moderate candidates may have broken out. I think Yang even said something We need you Nypd, your city needs you and ypd the key to understanding the way this is breaking down here in New York is to understand that in New York, in politics in democratic politics in New York, Central Brooklyn and black voters are key stakeholders, because of that, you have folks like Eric Adams, especially husband, well to do extremely well in central base, and this his days, robust as people of communities who are sitting union Union workers are

traditional Democrats liberal in many areas, but when crimes, bags, happen no visa the cook, the communities that get hit first and so that's important to understand. There are communities that are concerned about safety, particularly the voters who tend older women especially an union members so that, message that Eric Adams is trying to straddle and that the other candidates are as well right is the need for but also a reflection of the reality on the ground right now, which is that these communities are suffering, and I think it is Orton, though, that it's really not a binary dynamic here in New York. There's no to date, including Eric items that is right. On a law and order message that also doesn't support reformed the mid and I think we really need to pull back and

try and look at the larger picture, which, in my opinion, is that if you have a more accountable police department, and you have common sense reform that doesn't mean defending the entire police department. That's ridiculous right! you, you have a department, that's more accountable to the public It serves. You also have a more effective department. I mean the Emma Peter has issues throughout, the organization and does some things really well, but there are other issues I mean it's clearance rate. For example, extremely low, so another area where each to rebuild trust with communities. I think the pros has that you saw last summer energy that you saw throughout the city, the anger over George Floyd George Floyd staff, which, in New York, really manifested years after air, garners killing right, so that is When you go away. The key for this, these candidates is,

realising the moment of lights, but really be responsible and aware that communities are suffering you right now, but also there are going to be reforms that will come to you. Alright! Meanwhile, lawmakers may be close to a deal on policing, reform and house majority whip. James Clove said yesterday that he may be willing to support legislation, even if it did, if it does not end quote a fine immunity. Are you willing to pass the bill. That has most of what you want, but just not the de qualified immunity I will never sacrifice good On the other, a perfect- I just don't do that with the proverbial b, we propose that, I want to see good legislation and another, sometimes compromise everyone a minute now then

we'll, come back and try to get it later, but I don't want to see us a good deal because we can't get a perfect bill Jonathan Amir piece may break out here. It looks like this is one of the first areas where we're having really healthy, back and forth between Republicans and Democrats. And quite a few South Carolina People involved from the course Jim, and attempt Scott to Lindsey, Graham they're, all working together, trying to find a middle ground for police reform. There is some actual momentum here and there's been so little of it on Capitol Hill in recent years, and certainly since the begining of the Boy administration, where it looks like some to come together between the two parties Republicans have made clear that on most issues they just want to be the party of no Mister Collins out loud last week that his purpose as

Lookin Senate leader was to object and to block a hundred per cent of the book, Administration proposals, but this is one where there's be at least some common ground. Qualified immunity, of course, is so enshrined protection from individual officers, they can't be sued. Wake of potential. Conduct and it is something that civil rights activists for a long time, police reform activists have wanted removed, and it was striking to see kliper and sort of step out of that yesterday, I to say that look, even if we can come to agreement on that, we need to let make something happen, and you know that South Carolina seems to be the nexus of this with him, Scott, the republican senator taking the leave firm for his party on this issue, and there has been progress made on a number issues on policing in the wake of the guilty verdict in the jury, George, Floyd murder trial, which is Margie, said, really was the for so much of this across the country. You now you ve almost a year ago,

protest sleeping from coast to coast, and we focusing the national attention on this issue, Sadly, we ve had a number of very questionable a police should involve shootings since then There is some hope here, even though there isn't much common ground on the issue of guns, very sticky, negotiations weight on things like immigration and, frankly, right now, we're we're facing a real the white House and Democrats and Republicans don't seem to have there seem to be very far apart on this restructuring jobs package, the president has referred worth and they're gonna be meeting in person this week, but on policing, seems to be some hope, to lose. You know last week I said Jim Geraghty right that the dirty that very little secret about this huge aid over. The whether democratic could get to fifty votes or not if they get rid of the filibuster was the fact that in

You not only get the sixty votes on a lot of these issues, but they're having trouble getting to fifty votes because of Joe Match, and cinema. It seems to me while many of us were distracted last week by what was happening in the Republican, because with Liz Cheney and Kevin Mccarthy Really, if you step back, the big story is Joe Biden gave one of the most sweeping progressive states. Speeches of our time A few weeks back here. We are two weeks later and you sit there wondering what she can be able to get the fifty votes, let alone sixty votes on. Percent of those measures, which means they're going to figure out a way to compromise, with Republicans they're going to have to figure out a way to get some republicans on their side legislation is not going to move whether whether you, like the legislation, hate the legislation or ambition the legislation, that's just the political reality and that's

one thing I think lot. People are overlooking in Washington right now. They ve got to figure out how to get ten Republicans on board or you believe, Joe Mansion, not of the that's gonna pass. Yeah and I think that the fact that The White House is beginning to move in that direction. It's signal more willingness to compromise with republic. In the last few weeks, explains why Bernie Sanders is getting so a strange if it goes whilst Joe Mansion has one vote, which is enough to kill any data, bill that goes through reconciliation on the fifty vote basis, Bernie Sanders. He has one vote that can kill it, and I think that that tussle now is going to get, lot more intense, because I think the is theory of the case which I, to share it. There is no compromise, Republicans to make the wordpress of the sort of main feature,

of what and wants to get done. So I think that Saunders intervention, it's gonna, get stronger and it's going to it's gonna be in the White House. I should mention Joe that when you are me about some, the British, action results. Last week I accidently referred to that constituency of former, not Hartly, pull Hartly pull The traditional labor stronghold that in which they were wiped out, and it's a subject, but I don't want to get the name wrong, particularly since I'm from Britain yeah, so Jonathan Amir and I were rubbing our chins about that quite confused. No, actually we weren't, but thank you for calling find it anyway far are listeners Marilla Maskew really quickly about this question. Bernie Sanders upset about the possibility of of of these negotiations and binding dealing with Europe too much how did Democrats get to sixty or better than that. How do they get to fifty? How do they

Amy of this pass if they dont figure out how to pull some publicans on their side. Yeah, there's going to be some machinations behind the scenes on Capitol Hill. Surely I think that Bernie Sanders is flexing muscle here, but I do Maybe there's probably around our deal, making going on behind the scenes. I think Democrats can probably get there. It might involve it might be expense you might have to make. The Democrats may find themselves in Joe Biden may find himself having to win bend over, not only for Joe Mansion, but also for the left wing of the party, and I don't actually believe it's only Bernie Sanders. I think he may be speaking for a larger constituency looks like Ocasio Cortez too and they can make a lot of noise. So it's balancing act, but I don't actually think it's a deal. That's that far away

So President Biden is using last week's lack lustre jobs report as evidence to help passes two point: three trillion dollar infrastructure plan. The US economy, gained two hundred and sixty six thousand jobs in April. Far short of the more than One million economic analysts predicted here was the press Thence response Today's report is rebuttal loose. Americans. Just don't want to work I know some employers are having trouble fully jobs, but what report shows is that there is a much bigger It is that our economy, still has a million fewer jobs and when is pandemic started. The data shows that more more workers more. Workers are looking for jobs.

We can find them after the jobs report, the Chamber of Commerce called foreign. And to the extra three hundred in federal, employment benefits, saying it's keeping people from returning to work Treasury. Secretary JANET Yellin refuted. That idea, centrist, because there seems to be a real opportunity for a lot of people to work, and you are not coming out. Those numbers were stunning. Well, you and I've heard from Steve Rattner. I don't know about you, but We've heard from I've heard from a very very liberal demo, on restaurants, dolly I just can't get workers they. Providing yes, I'm glad the relief package pass, but in other fora, hundred dollars a three hundred dollars- supplemental, climate insurance. I am, I can't get workers to come in, and this is

something we even heard last summer with a more modest relief package from last summer, where we had people in the travel and leisure and the house fatality. Areas of the economy could not get workers in, because They had received federal benefits and again. I know this isn't the case everybody that receives as benefits and I'm glad people are receiving those benefits but Steve haven't talked about this sits, and this is impacting democratic. Employers, as It is its and in backing republican employers, that's right you're. So let me take you through a few charts to Sir lay out what the front jobs support tells us, and what we ve learned in general about the state of the labour market is a complicated issue and presents. Their issues, demand side for a labour, their issues about supply, chain shortages, but there are

issues about the supply of labor and so what Charge shows compares is employers looking for people to work versus people actually applying to work. The light blue line are job openings, which is can see while have recovered nicely from the downturn in fact shot up there. The number of jobs, openings in this country is now higher than it was before the pandemic struck and other, in other words, the number of jobs available is higher than it was before, but the number of people applying for jobs, actually stayed very depressed. Surrounding these dear I'm, an air of course a numb. Yes, we stop. You there. Steve so tell me I mean that is a massive gap. I don't know that I've ever seen a gap like that where the job openings are that, higher than the applications for jobs Why? Why personal have you ever seen? A massive gap that big

and and and why is it that big and why do we have more job openings now than we had even before the outbreak of covert. We are more job openings now that we had before covered, because we have eight million fewer jobs and employment our trying to fill a lot of those jobs. So there are a lot of openings as they look for people to fill them if companies like overrun dominoes and pilgrims poultry, which is a big chicken processor, all saying we can't find enough workers. As you just said, in your opening the nest a federation of Independent Business, says that forty percent, its members are having trouble filling jobs which is the highest number. They seen lots to talk but the reasons. Let's let's first talked about people out of the labor force and so what's happened. We go to the next chart. So what's what's happened? the pandemic, which is normal, is that one,

Joblessness hits a lot of people drop out of the labor force. You can see the dotted black line is the overall labor force, and you can also see it was a lot worse among blacks and Hispanics and so women because they occupy many of the jobs that were eliminated during the pandemic. Restaurant workers, hotel workers and folks, like that, You can see that the labor participation rate has really not come back very far very fast. There are now two million more women who dropped out of the labour force and one million, and have men who dropped out of the labour force. So the light the force as a whole is three and a half million people smaller than it was before the pandemic? These are not people who dropped out collect unemployment, insurance they're, not collecting unemployment insurance will get to that one. Second, these are people who dropped out, maybe because there boomers like me, and they decided that work long enough. It's time to call it a day. They may be people who have kids

home and they have childcare problems and they can't work so they're not out there looking to work and the council answers have been very high. We have black on employment up to nine point. Seven percent compared to three point: six percent before the pandemic but part of it is that, as I said, that there is a supply of labour problem in terms of people out of the Labour force, not because of unemployment, but simply because for recent another they don't want to work We can turn out of the next chart. I wouldn't get right to your point, Joe about the effects unemployment insurance on work. Now we don't know that way to study who's, actually not working because of the unemployment, insurance and so forth, but will we can look at, is the comparison between what a worker, yet son, unemployment. Worse, is what a worker gets by working. This happens to me data Pennsylvania, because these benefits are all calculated state by state and so You can see on the left is for a minimum wage worker in Pennsylvania doesn't have

special off its own minimum wage. It uses the seven dollars and twenty five cents federal work who was earning the minimum wage would collect dollars in twenty three cents per hour on unemployment, and then you can see a number professions across here where the amount of unemployment as either larger than the median wage work or very to everything from dishwashers hotel clerks preschool Teachers like truck drivers and so forth, and then, if you get the right you can see the median wage in Pennsylvania of twenty dollars and eight cents an hour is not that far above the seven seven dollars, seventeen point, seven eight dollars an hour that you get on unemployment. I would also mention in this context, that we have sent out a lot of stimulus checks and that is also put money in people's pockets and may lead them to feel I don't really need to go back to work right.

This moment. I dont want overstate this. I don't wanna claim this is the entire answer to the two the issue, how many jobs are out there, but it is activated subject among economists and it's very hard to see how it doesn't play, some role in the overall picture. That we are looking at ways certainly play some rolling. Dont know. We won't know, probably for another year so when, when we get all the research- and certainly there are some people in the workforce, a lot of evil workforce, who probably don't want to go back. Tell either their vaccinated or their children are vaccinated. Their failsafe. We're going back into the workforce by that that being said, Jonathan wellmere is an issue that has been talked about, not just among Republicans but among dammit. Settle and quite a few democratic economists. I want to put this charge back up. That was just up a second ago.

While people in the media may not be talking about this? Much because it's very easy to draw the wrong conclusions out of having a truthful conversation about this. Like people are, you know, people listen, don't worry right! There's your you think people are truly lazy to stay down now. Now what what I now make incentives people in the media that want to talk about that. You look at the first one. Two three four you'll get a first step. four categories there and I guarantee you, republicans- are going to have charts like this they're going to circle it and they're going to say that Joe Biden made it easier to stay home and collect unemployment than to go no work, and that's what Democrats need to prepare themselves for in twenty We do so. What is the White House response to that? I know they're on top of this to you- and I know that are concerned about it. What what are they sang?

yeah well certainly Friday, when the jobs report came at the White House and most economic analysts were blindsided by there was an expectation of adding like a million jobs and, of course got nowhere. Near that and we heard from the press on Friday. He's gonna speak again today: very subject and he's to continue to make the case that this the need for more federal intervention that that people aren't safe and they're taking your people aren't feeling comfortable to go back to work, and I need some help an example. They point to sit and they like a child care where for so many Americans working parents, particularly mothers, unable to rejoin the labour force last year or so because they couldn't send their child childcare because they were fearful of the pit virus were pleasant. It was closed They couldn't afford it and now they're, saying with the jobs, infrastructure and prickly the human care aspect of it, that they'll be money for that Bilby Childcare funding that will allow

Americans to send their children to a facility that will allow them to then go back to work. So they're gonna take. Other angle, but this is something, of course. They recognize makes their sell a little bit harder as you said, rob against at the weekend already sharp they're talking points about exactly this saying that the aid is too there's no need for another being package Yes, it's too much in the way spending, and this is gonna, be a vital weak on this. That's all connected because we talk about short handed the infrastructure plan that from the present, but it's much much. More than that it is a mission have how the government in Iraq the citizens are so so much money behind it of Cheshire its jobs. It is human child and family care, and this is the where the White ask another couple of very key meetings on it. Binds first meeting with the big or which includes the republican leadership, is first face to face with much Mcconnell and chemicals. This is taking office, that's Wednesday and Thursday with a group of public senders they feel like if there is any hope for a compromise to get it part of this done.

Hard angle of aspect of the deal bridges wrote highways. It would be with those Republicans and then maybe a democratic, only vote down the road for that human, health and family care aspect of it, but they know at the July selling Here- and there are not married to the size of it, they ve been sending signals. Last couple of days there willing to back off a little bit on the corporate tax rate hike in. To back off a little bit on the overall size. They'd be willing to shrink this package so to maybe make it more palatable and get some bipartisan support so Steve Rattner. To sum this up, I don't know if we can put that graph up one more time of unemployment paying better than the real jobs that people had out there, the real jobs that are available waiting, here from what the president has to say today, but you look at these numbers and Pennsylvania: seven, twenty seven, twenty have an hour. That person is not living far above the poverty line or perhaps below so is an argument. When then, all this- and I know the administration as to real really navigate carefully over the coming

Eggs. But is there an argument in here for raising the minimum wage. Oh sure, there's absolutely and argument from raising the minimum wage for a number of reasons, because you say it's not a living wage pensive for whatever set a reasons has chosen not to have a higher minimum wage of its own. Many states like New York and so forth, do one encouraging thing in the jobs report, and it has to do it, ironically, with the fact that many people have dropped out of the labor force or otherwise not looking that, for work is that Wages are starting to go up. Employers are finding themselves in a position of to raise wages, because because they can't get enough people to work I want a perverse way. This climate insurance benefit has which may have urge workers are kept. Workers from looking actively for work is then, on the other side forcing Ploys wage raise their wage rates. I think that there is a very

located situation there. Any number of reasons for why is behaving the way it is. I do think there's a chance that this this one month number was a bit and and, as I said, are problems all on different parts of it, but the we don't have at the moment the probably don't at the moment, is too little money in the economy. There is an enormous amount of money in the economy from the previous rescue packages from all the money p, have saved over the past year from the stimulus checks, and so, while I'm very supportive of the president's jobs plans and so forth Getting that money into the economy is not. That is not the problem at the moment. The problems are elsewhere when it comes at least to these kinds of unemployment numbers. And it Steve said, the Good NEWS is from all of this. In a rest, about way, This has actually forced larger employers to re there there minimum wage up to thirteen fourteen fifteen

I think Cassio may even be at sixteen dollars an hour, but again one more warning is more a sad. We keep talking about getting those Republicans on board, you move too far towards the Republicans and then suddenly the house that everybody has been taken for granted. Is following behind Joe by suddenly you start having problems with defections from the house, because, of course, the Democrats only have of four cushion there as well. So There's going to be some sort of rough, Slave sliding had save Ratner. Thank you very much and add loose. Thank you as well Still I had on morning, Joe with the future of the Republican Party in question, how majority leader, Kevin Mccarthy, officially supports ousting China has GEO P Conference chair plus demand for on a virus. Vaccines appears to be plummeting and states across the country what it means

for the race to get more Americans vaccinated and water Anthony found. She is saying about the indoor mask debate, you're, watching in general, will be right back

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Restoration announced that if states don't accept their full allocation, IPL reallocate surplus to me demand and other states and the? U S, start sharing its supply with other countries not all state reducing delivery, New York, Colorado and Maryland are all accepting their full allocations, though demand is dropping slightly Seven percent of Americans have had at least one dose, but health experts have stated. About seventy percent of the population will need to be vaccinated to reach heard unity and we are still not there. Meanwhile, as more and more Americans get vaccinated, Dr Anthony Fauci now says he is open, open relaxing indoor masking more people get vaccine in the CDC will be almost in real time. George updating their reckoning

nations and their guidelines. But, yes, we do need to start being more liberal as we get more people vaccinated. I'm, and maybe that's what you heard last week from Scott God, Lib saying it's time you sock into ships with unseen b c and said it is time to start talking about lifting mask SK requirements indoors. I that is so important to get this country moving back again. Yet, You can do that. You can only if you, if you feel the need, only let a certain number of people into the store or if you wish owner, and you only want to have people in that have been vaccinated. That certainly is up to you as a private business owner, or it certainly should be. If this is still a free, country is on some some of my former republic, brothers and sisters might say It's time it is. To move past, so these mask mandates as again over fifty seven percent of Americans have at least been back.

David wants here dodge about. She said that masks during cold and flew seas and might become the norm going forward. I could see people using masks on planes, I'm not against it, but you know if someone's not comparable with that. That's why too, but you really saw not just the corona virus, being curbed by social, distancing and mass guidelines, but the number of people who got the flu and you can't pass as much around from person to person it's something to think about. I mean it certainly is you think about going over this past year year and a half and again because of wearing them. I always get the because we get it and you didn't get the flu. So many of my friends didn't get the. I didn't get the flu this past season, because again you're wearing a mask you being more more careful, but certainly since in the future. If that's what you want to do now, if you like the flow if you like cove it. If you like smoking like five or six

cartons of cigarettes today. Yet up to you, it's a free country, people should be able to make that choice on their own Does it really was revealing this past year, wasn't amica that if you wear masks when you're on planes, if you wash your hands a little bit more, you can actually avoid the flu in and told I am pretty sure Conversation will continue as we navigate through this because we're doubtfully at fifty seven percent. Now where we need to be for the country to reach heard immunity, but getting there let's move to have. Understand. The death toll from a car bombing outside an afghan high school is now at least sixty eight. As concerns grow about the- U S: removal of troops from the country, the blast happened as the classes of all. Girls were leaving school in cobble and was followed I too other explosions according to the New York Times, a witness reported speaking to a man shaking

nerves in this car shortly before the attack. The man reportedly told him to mind his own business, no group, has taken responsibility for the bombing this is horrific joining us now, Washington, anchor for BBC World NEWS, America Caddy K and form NATO Supreme alike, commander, retired forced our Navy, Admiral James of readers is if international security diplomacy analyse friend, BC, news and MSNBC and Joe I know we don't know exactly where this came from, who this came from known as claimed responsibility, but the meat it concerned most people. How about the pull out from Afghanistan was the on women impact on women impact on On young girls who we have talking to for twenty years and been assuring them that they can go to school be safe. The United States would take care of them that this was a new time. This was a new era.

Admiral. Does it take a much imagination to figure out likely why this was done and done to show the United States of America that Afghanistan's our country and we're going to be leaving and whether its ISIS or whether it's a Taliban they're going to hunt down and kill these young women who are going to try to get an education. Ask a simple question: What matters to them and why let be clear it is about fraud, work angle, Sir Knight errant MSNBC, with special, coming a question of forward, and specifically, are you going taught me three or process care about? you fun if no now, when and if not as the free press, then who indeed

you discovered doesn't match your expectations. Can you fact check as far as keep asking yourself hard questions? Are you confident that be tough on the answers? Just not true favor facts over conspiracy. What should american citizens now rely on experts? Not influencers they're now going to debate it again and vote again and trust standards over here say at MSNBC. This is we do in this area. Yeah, Joe and meagre? You know me and I'm a pretty optimistic person, but this one really shakes me as someone who spent so each time in Afghanistan is supremely commander native leading NATO mission and in often visited these schools. This was something we would point to with great pride. These girls, eleven fifteen years old and I

really commend our colleague Richard Angles, reporting which has been running of the last few days. This is heartbreaking and, sadly, I think this is only a taste of what is to come The Taliban completely take over the country of Afghanistan. Now before we, To that almost apocalyptic outcome? Let's Can I said that this seeing plays terribly in Afghanistan as well as it does in the United States, and that this will repulse people, many will further. In a great the Taliban. I don't think this does the many favours. It certainly has the hallmark of their own campaign against girls and women, which in many ways is the worst element of the Taliban? one. I know you remember this admiral, because you you you lived it and and were there

in the war zones, but I remember a jordanian- wedding that was bombed in two thousand six. I believe it was that so repulsed the people of Iraq and scenes like that. Raise our county so repulsed the people of Iraq, especially western Iraq, that I made your job. It made the United States job in trying to turn some of the people and their lumbar province away from from Al Qaeda and these terrorists actually start working, a handsome, so Explain how that happens, explain how this imagery actually turns more afghan Afghans against not only Taliban, but also, and especially, ISIS yeah you're, your example is Joe. This was what we called the hand bar awakening many of my seat

colleagues who are leading that fight in Iraq, where to weave that into our messaging and it a palpable influence on the people of Iraq, and I think that this kind of event may have the same. Catalyzing effect will see its remembering when we say the Taliban, it's it's a very Well, diverse organization that runs from super liners, who would sign up for an act like this to Taliban who are willing to think about coming into the government as partners with our strategy, the current president, so it is, spectrum, and one can hope, a cautiously. I suppose that this would have a salutary effect on those elements in the Taliban, but the real target here is the people Afghanistan and I think they have to be as repulsed as we are by by these photographs

and in category I know you have a question for the admiral, but it also we also have. I That is now not only to kill Americans in trying to kill young women, but also trying to kill members of the Taliban, because because of that, the fighting that they have the reasons I have to battle them. So you acts have several elements. Competing with each other to see you can become the more radical and the more sadly, for the afghan people, there's a few things that are a really interesting and telling about what happened here. This was actually a mixed school in detail, girls and boys, but it taught the boys in the morning the girls in the afternoon, and they attack took place at four in the afternoon, so definitely targeting the girl part of the school population, its also in enough area of Afghanistan, that is largely shiite, has our community and they felt under attack from his.

Estate for a long time that they ve been targeted by them. So it is possible that this was an islamic state attack and not a Taliban attacks. Taliban have actually condemned the attackers Wellesley, but I think what it points does that if it was islamic state and not the Taliban, it doesn't suggest the Taliban have very much control. For islamic state in certain areas of the country and sudden noise, The afghan government forces. I guess the question, you admiral, is what's the matter I can roll going forwards really going to be in Afghanistan. We're gonna be limited. It seems too, eyes over the country with drones, fry flying from the Persian Gulf, to the extent that you can really keen eyes on that very mountainous country. Presumably will have some plan to Stein forces in the country, but clearly the goal not gonna- be to protect after else an afghan women

So what is what is the goal going to be? After? U S, forces have pulled out realistically walk in America do in Afghanistan after those to two and a half thousand troops have pulled up. You carry. This- is the gut question and I'm old enough. I know you're not, but I'm old enough to remember the nineteen seventeen when we left Vietnam and in Vietnam. The key thing which maintain the government in South Vietnam for all three years was up funding for the afghan security forces, and I believe that if we continue to fund the afghan security forces, We can share that burden with our allies, who have indicated they will sign up to it. It's it's in the a couple of million four billion dollars a year. It's not nothing but the comparison of events like this, I think it's a very reasonable, so funding the afghan security forces. Second, your point Intel it

the CIA is not pulling out of Afghanistan and you will see, I think, is the ground alongside satellites overhead imagery drones, as you say so, intelligence in information shared with the Afghans and finally, will maintain the ability to come in over the horizon and that will not directly impact girls and women, but if you're coming over the horizon. It will be to go after targets like the islamic state or other highly radicalized elements that will perhaps some positive effect, but your point is right: the. U S is stepping away from this. It becomes If you will an international effort at this point, let's Our allies, partners and friends will continue to support Afghanistan so. Let's talk about the pipeline, the sabotaging in the pipeline.

Is this a scene of things to come, dress rehearsal of sorts for countries like Russia or North Korea that that spend an enormous amount of time and attention and money on figuring out ways to engage in a symmetrical warfare against us. Unfortunately, it is, and I spent wait too much time. Is NATO commander focused on cyber security? This time the attack, which appears to be done by an organization called dark side, by the way doesn't attack targets inside Russia or former Soviet Union countries is a ransom where attack they cut off or propose. To be able to cut off the supply of gas leaned on the east coast. The company has worked through dad unclear whether they paid a ransom almost certainly they did but Joe your point. What

It was Russia cutting off, not gasoline but electricity, and that sounds like science fiction. Well, maybe, except in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen Russia cut electricity to the western half of Ukraine. So These cyber weapons are approaching view high levels of effect in societies we to be very concerned about Russia's capability and China, and right behind them, North Korea, in IRAN Klute by saying the administration is moving in the right direction. Here they ve created them. First cyber security director mandate, Chris English, who is a former, deputy at the National Security Agency, one star retired. We ve got the right people coming at this problem. Alright, Andrew Animal James

Venus. Thank you very, very much for being on this morning and still I had new questions, about a possible cheating scandal after the horse that won the Kentucky Derby fail to a raise drug test. What does it mean for the pre stakes this weekend. morning, Joe is coming right back. Everyone is Willie Geist thanks for listening now. I want invite you to talk to us here at MSNBC, we'd like to know more about you and the topics you'd be interested in hearing about as we look to launch new podcast text podcast to six thousand six hundred and eighty six six and will text you a link to a short survey again text, the word podcast two hundred and sixty six, eight hundred and sixty six standard text messaging rates apply your input matters and we're looking forward to hearing from you.