Their suggestions. By it was mayor giuliani to go, declare victory. Instead, we wanted outright Was there any one? In that conversation in your observation, tat can had too much to drink where giuliani the mare was deafening, intoxicated, but I do not know There is little apart intoxication when he spoke with a present, for example,.

How would trump know giuliani was drunk I mean. Does this seem like a drunk person to you, tony blanket or miley general on the network wow? The issue is very questionable. Now the drink with the woman or a young girl with the functioning, probably the

Have you seen the steering wheel around drive? Please speak for yourself what was adopted by what? What was that nature arrested for a dui for that move all over the road, the lord, but it is one of those cars that some of these clubs speak for itself, but yeah, but I you can start. You just sit there ngo, bitcoin and to get fifteen percent. I mean that. Well, that's crazy, crazy, stuff. When you see it all in one place, it really is, and I think that was the most surprising revelation from another stunning day of testimony.

marie giuliani, perhaps allegedly had too much to drink and election now and serve as the primary adviser that evening too president I'd stay. Exactly that might have been thus Tyner is that the president was taking advice from the trunk guy from drunk rudy giuliani to wild claims of suitcases filled with bogus ballots day too of public testimony in the january six attack on that capital. Ok, so the crazy, with four I attorney general bill bar portraying donald trump, as being quote detached reality we'll have the key, take a ways and will speak with a member of the committee who led much of yesterday's hearing. And so lost ground of California were also watching the markets. This morning after yesterday's steep sell off stock futures or in the green so far ahead of us,

meeting aimed at fighting surging inflation along with Joe willing and may we have former you a senator now and NBC news and emerson busy political analysts, claremont Scott joins us whitehouse beroe, cheap at political and a host of wage you're, late jive than the mayor and attorney. George Conway. He is a contributing columnist for the wash imposed it's good to have you all on board in the second hearing in january six attack on the? U s capital. But how select committee made the case that donald trump hadn't in circle of advisers, telling him the truth that the action was not stolen, but then he chose to, eve. Another team of advisers led by as the committee put it in abbreviated rule giuliani, who urged the former president declared to declare victory pray Charlie action night, the others stunner that came out of yesterday's hearing what the committee called the big rip off.

The former president raised a quarter of a billion dollars off the big lie for us called election defence fund. That investigator say never existed. The committee accused tromp, preying on his supporters leaders such with them all the others so much to do to get to hear, once again, the jerry six commission can committee did not disappoint and I'm gonna get to save the file. did you have one tromp or after another trump or after another, tramper after another tromp or people who have invested their professional lives in a guy who they know is damaging the reputation perhaps permanently there's still in their wedding the ones who are testify? There are no liberal democrats here, testifying about all the terrible things. Donald trump stunt, these european

will close to these people that he hired? These are people, then he trusted. These are people who are we, to the very end. Vair the ones say, time and time again. testimony that donald trump, knew that all of these bogus arguments were lies here, the that day in day out and and and and he continued to move forward with a lie, despite the fact he know that these conspiracy theories didn't already water and that's what you're out to me, Joe again to your point. For a second days, the unequivocal nature of the testimony from president trumps own advice that I think I expected more hemming in high and maybe a half hearted defence of president trump, but pay to save their own hides. They sat down and told this committee. Everything saying we too

with him. This election was clean. We told him, it was not rigged, we told her, it wasn't stolen. He stands alone with rudy giuliani and a couple of other crackpots and the other piece that datum. Claremont casket was, if you're a trump supporter, seeing that hearing yesterday, it may be worth it may be heard about it, and you know that donald trump knew that Whole thing was a scam that it was a lie and first he sent the capital and now you're getting arrested some of you and going to prison, and then he took too fifty million dollars of your money and put it in his pocket. Bates something he knew was a scam. Don't you feel do at this point, gee that went to prison or gave up a bunch of money for a lie with the problem, man is to feel do you have have some self way that yours stupid enough to go along with this. Not, and I dont think that that kind of reflection comes easily your folks, you know it is. It is fascinating to me there's a couple of things about this. That really struck me. The first is: can you

and how did history would have been how lives would have been saved, how we I have this really inflection point microsoft, if all but those trop people who we heard tape. Yesterday, if in december of tat, a twenty they would have come together and issued a joint statement, you're gonna, whether all of em but instead you, I can't do it, took her, take parade for these guys because, just because they ve been truthful at this point, they allowed this to go on. The republicans. capitol hill allowed this to go on and they didn't stand up when they should have, and it is really a lesson for the history books that these people were so afraid of the consequences of saying the emperor, whereas no clothes that they hit their desks and look what happened here,

find ourselves with a huge chunk of the country, believing a complete fraud around whether or not our elections are counted right and yet you have, especially in their case enough, they landfill bar for he laughed. He leaves he gives this positive statement when he's leaving, and then I believe, when he's asking march about trough I didn't vote for him again. I appreciate the opportunity to update you this afternoon. He wrote, in his resignation department view the voter fraud allegations when and how these elections will continue to be pursued. You know, is a lie, he said, was quote bullshit, and yet he puts it departure a note about how we are going to continue pursuing these, allegations bar says repeatedly. He knows is a lie and then says later it vote for him again. That's that's just done adrian.

I mean. I don't want it It too melodramatic. I think it's sick. and and there's just no excuse, especially. I always sick, but the way the people in Washington think I've gotta protect. My career, don't really understand, protect EU career to more than protecting the flag protecting the constitution requires careers over. He was it end of the career. He sullied his reputation to go back and work for tromp and when he figured out that twelve was crazy. His words out of his mind, page from reality here. Still here still was shocking up, tripling even at the end, What was it worth for you bill? Just, What was it worth don't? George Conway, you can talk about that. If you'd like me, I'd love to hear overview of the hearing, though, but man bar or what

fascinating one, a fascinating care your study in in just corruption? it is amazing because The fact that he would say that he would still vote for the guy is utterly amazing, but the irish, why is he did more than the other ones, did because actually did go out on december for first, and he had he invited that ap reported to lunch to say that there was no there there for the election. We got him into trouble with donald trump and donald trump yet started yelling at a new must hate. You have tromp was a trump. He did that. I guess at the behest they at least that was set in one of the books it at the behest of of mc mcconnell, who is afraid about the georgia run off, but again he would still Good enough, I mean that all these other people remain silent and and

not say this is just. This has got to stop. This has got to stop for the sake of the republic in the end and to go back to boy, you know, but the what just in december, twenty twenty. This was the. This is the four year story of the trump administration pretending This guy wasn't incompetent and deranged for four years, here. The EU heard all these rumblings about the twenty fifth amendment early on they all knew he was not. Everybody knew he was not because he was not and and and a pathological liar, there's somebody who couldn't be trusted in and couldn't be trusted with with with the reins of the presidency, because he didn't care about the country to care about himself. Story for four years and it was always going to end up this way. Where was gonna end up this way, that is the story of trump as it comes out, but but joe mean to hear bar talking about tramping detached from reality. You want

Why that's that's a whole new level. That's not! I disagree with you, sir right. This guy's crazy, is what he is saying to himself and how many times that that happens in this from white house guys nobody outdated risks crazy, and he has given the opportunity to vote, for you think I mean is: is online penalty of perjury when you're being deposed? Do you actually admit he's crazy caught like Here are some of the cliffs. The committee played of its interviews with former attorney general bill bar and former acting deputy it, a general richer donoghue, explore meaning trumps, refusal to accept reality defeat. It was an avalanche of all these allegations of fraud that built up over a number of days, and it was like playing whack a mole because something would come out one day and the next day it would be another issue. The early claims that I understood on

were completely bogus and silly and usually based on completeness inflation. I told him that the stuff that its people were shuttling out to the public or book I mean that the claims of fraud- and you know you indignant about that and. I reiterated that they wasted a whole month on the claims. On the dominion voting machines and they were idiotic claims, the specifically raised dominion. Voting machines, which I found to be among the most disturbing allocations, disturbing in the sense that I said actually zero basis for the allegations they were made in such a sensational way there They obviously were influencing alive people, members of the public, that they resist systemic.

option in the system and that their boats didn't count in that these machines, control by somebody else were actually determining which was complete nonsense hand. It was being laid out there and I told them that it was persia. crazy stuff and they were wasting their time on and with great grave, the service for the country. I feel again put this perspective and try to put it in very clear terms to the president, and I said something to the effect of sir we've done dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews The major allegations are not supported by the evidence about we, georgia, pennsylvania, Michigan, the model, We're doing our job, much of the info. And then I went into this thing for measures in this report about sixty percent error rate.

reality is was only point: zero, zero, six, three percent Eric weapon. Why came thousand. The president accepted that if okay, fine, but what about the others? And again, let's get back to the point that there were so many of these allegations that when you gave him his very direct answer on one of them, he wouldn't fight on it, but he would not do another allegation. so jonathan le amir. This is not a celebration. Profiles encourage it's just the opposite. In fact, what we are saying is guys and new and specify in this testimony, but everything, donald trump and his closest people were saying was a lie, and yet they did speak out publicly about it. But this testimony before this hearing shows exactly what they knew, what they believe or their attack. My dominion voting machines Helen satellites or the cyber ninjas, they thought was ludicrous and insane and apparently kept those

needs to themselves and are they all have the opportunity to speak out publicly in november december in january, none of them did. I wanted to read this quote. It was infamous quote now from washing posts. They talk to republican operative there's a few days after the election. We talk about a brief word on the show it's worth three reopen now what is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? This problem, not until the post, I won't read the whole thing, but it goes on to say this: it's not he's plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power and generally twentieth he'll treated some lawsuits about how the actual stolen and then he'll leave is the issue of which recalled that for a time to clear the nazis in the white house, but republicans in power. Any it could have thrown their body in front of this. He said has to stop the order Well, it's just that I'm wine, which is not a bull off some steam. We know he doesn't like losing and instead by indulging him, we, a moment where not only was the democracy impelled on Janeway, sixth, but he's still around, he could still run again. Those

states these here. It's right absolutely. and I want to make sure we correct the record in one regard bar say, he was detached from reality. He said if he believed these things, he was too from reality. That's a really important distinction to make, because Goes to his state of mind and his criminal and ten, which leads to the drift I believe the donald trump really thought this stuff, we need you don t I and sydney pal and the other pretend lawyers were coming up with. I dont think he believed it. I dont think you detached reality, I think he was trying to commit a fraud. He was Trying to hold on to power, be he saw a way to keep it going to keep the griffin going. I mean if you look at the amount of money he raised, and I think that's gonna be a secondary story, that's going to continue to develop or every penny of that court a billion dollars. When and whether or not there was just blatant consumer fraud involved. That means

Of attorney general's around the country have got some work to do if, in fact, this case continues to develop the way it did yesterday Well, you know, people close to him said early on. Oh, he is going to move past. It after the election and then we didn't move past it. Then it was like well, he understands and if you ever admit said he lost outright, the party would move on from him. So this is the way he keeps the party, engaged and keeps him on His side as a secondary, says yeah, I lost they move on and they find somebody else throw to the side I daughter was interesting. George Conaway, when we were listening the testimony about michigan. or accepted that but then he moved onto another conspiracy theory. That reminds me of what willie and I have been talking about about our friends and I'm sure you have many of these same friends. Growing up in republican politics like myself

getting emails and say well what about this? This theory that I picked up from website and then I'll patiently, because I've known for decades explained why that's a conspiracy theory and then look ok, yeah! Well, what about them fox in georgia, and then you explained the box in georgia, okay! Well, then, what about and that's what donald trump was doing its whack along with conspiracy theories and that's exact? Donald trump is doing inside the white house. In the case of title, tromp has clear points out its criminal lack along the shore criminal intent, because he, if you when you think about what is what goes on in his own mind, I mean it's a mishmash of lies, half truths, deceptions and just things that pop in his head his mind is a mess but the the matter? Is that was this is This was sociopath ec lying to two to two

to commit a massive fraud, and you can show that by bars line about there was never any indication of interest in what the actual facts were like that's what it's that yet said that yesterday and then and then that last line that you played from dawn, I do or die. You said you just move on to the next one, and this was all a willful blindness to the truth. He refused to listen to anybody who was all the people, the doktor. How many people, I think you can keep track of his point about how we lost the election in the union. This into drunk rudy had said, and it was all part of again this sociopath ec of peace disposition to deny the truth and it began before the election.

important to remember? It began before the election when he was checked when he was talking about how mail in ballots were corrupted, and this was going to be the most corrupt election ever and if he ever lost it was going to be because of the corruption, and he did that and he attacked mail in ballots. Even though we heard yesterday, step in and macaw and and and Kevin Mccarthy went in to talk to him and say, hey you know now are we rely on mail in ballots too, and it all reminds me of something that les, stall talked about a couple of years ago. She told a story about how off camera she was talking to trump during. I think it was the transition in twenty six nine, and he ass, the press and in an stall ask him. Why Do that. Why do you just keep? What are you doing that and and trot said I to act to mean the press, because if one, if they,

I had a bad story about me. People won't believe it and that's what he did with the entire twenty twenty election. He bashed the process before before the vote was even cast a bash the process so that he could claim fraud if he lost and that too He is. The proof is combined with everything else. All the individual people telling him he lost and and though the his his refusal to listen is just or for powerful evidence of criminal intent. You have to established that lie and on that foundation he built this two hundred and fifty million dollar fraud according to the committee, were to get back into some of the testimony yesterday, but we want to not bring in a guest this month's hearings, especially personal for members of the capitol police force, many of whom were assaulted, of course, by people attacking the capitol on January six that includes sergeant aka lino canal, whose

here on the right in the audience for last week's hearing, so can now was nearly beaten to death during the capital attack and testified about that too? The committee last summer region, six. For the first time I was more afraid to work at the capitol in mind, tie deployment, to Iraq, I arrived home. while I am on germany, seven to push my wife away from me, because he wanted to hug me. now. I know because of the other chemical right My uniform head on sergeant canal joins us now he's here by the way, in his own capacity, not speaking for the capital police department are taken out good morning, it's great to have you with us. First, thank you for your son.

MR the country. Thank you for your service to the united states congress and for what you did on that day january. Six, as I mention you are in the hearing room last thursday night for the first of these hearings that new video was shown, something that you ve lived through? What was that to watch those scenes again good morning. thanks for having me, is very hard to religion, but I seen enough of them plus I lived through them, then stay around so These are but I don't have to exist, is pressure to me to hold people accountable and I use one, the american people to know exactly what I was done on because he The present new, orchestrated and planned. This whole thing,

sergeant. It is important to tell that story because it has been so whitewashed by so many people over the last eighteen months or so some members of congress dismissing it is a little riot or a protest that got out of hand or some people say it was a regular tourist visit. What would you say to people who are sceptical? right all the evidence, despite all the video that this was as bad as it appears when those but they never had talked to me a body they. Never. I'd like a minimal or saw soccer tailor made or show them my injuries tiger, assure you that that was not a tour. those people there, however, assault on me and my full officers? They should be jail, not user. there were not the d go guys doing daddy appear, but apparently to see people there guys cause. They find you

to be released from the pilot justice sergeant can Speak to the way, this day january, six unfolded for you did you feel prepared on that day and then what Those crowds advanced and the capital, what you experienced personally jerry. Six called combination defy the previous gases, stating this went on for months planning coordinating telling people to be here specially on jerry, six, prior jerry, six, we have we deal with a lot of the machine or they are on a daily basis and we had to three sometime, even ten demonstration to add the capital of copper growls, we never have chinese unease in albania as this tat we have decreased.

Nineteen protocol in the capital. So yes, we do have enough people by them, The president was around six inbox away and he had the authority to authorize The other federal agencies to come then assess and now reinforces capron thou within that new undone. By now origin at my you're standing as that your injuries, some of them, are permanent and you're still working at the capitol. This man on a mystery duty capacity right now, yes, and just what are your thoughts on continuing to do your job even tackling some of these people who want to play this didn't happen golly speak about my spear disappoint me that

I was saying earlier than instead of they feel their mouth with we the blue or fraud, money laundering and the rule of law, and then they get a chance to hold these people to all any their fight. You for the general six riders calling them. She tore polluted prisoners, but he had to them. I think there I consider the bad guys of jerry six, because we stop them from doing whatever they ain't not to do on the whole refugees. taking less sergeant, actually know canal. Thank you. So much for your service things here, For me this morning, Thanks for having- and we have we much more ahead on. Yesterday's hearing will play more of the testimony and hear more analysis from george conway and clara castro and will be joined by

congresswoman zoloft friend, who took the lead role in yesterday's january six committee hearing plus senators, have reached a bipartisan deal on guns, safety, but now the race. to write the legislation before the july. Fourth reese, ass the challenges there, denmark, senator Chris comes has been taking part in those talks will be our guest. so this morning, pentagon press secretary, John Kirby, will join us as the binding. It illustration prepares to announce more military aid to ukraine and, as we go to break bill bar may be calling bs on the big lie, but nevertheless he's still willing to support donald trump at the former president when's. The nomination again Your book, it's time for the party to move on from china. Less cheney has said he is not fit to serve and should not be, Near the oval office again do agree with that

While I certainly have made it clear, I don't think he should be our nominee and I'm going to you know, support somebody else for the nominated. If he is the nominee and you have so I says, Donald for who avars running on the democratic side. Would you vote for him, because I believe that the greatest threat to the country is the progress of the gender being pushed by the democratic party. Its inconceivable to me that I wouldn't vote from the republican nominate. So even if a light, the election and threatened democracy as you right in your book and also the world's rather than a Democrat, it's hard to predict what the fact we are going to turn out to be three years hands. But as of now, it's hard for me to conceive that I wouldn't vote for the republican nominee. the hello there I'm track taught, and if you love me the press of some great and you can also get a daily dose of politics news

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People were shuttling out to the public who were book. We I mean that the claims of fraud- and you know it. indignant about that. and. I reiterated that being wasted a whole month on the claims on the dominion voting machines and they were idiotic claims. the specifically raised dominion, voting machines, which I found to be among the most disturbing allocations, disturbing in the sense that I said actually zero basis for the allegations. They were made in such a sensational way there. They obviously were influencing alive people, members of the public, that their position systemic,

Corruption and assist them in their boats didn't count in that these machines, control by somebody else were actually determining which was complete nonsense and it was being laid out there, and I told him that it was persia she stuff and they were wasting their time on and with great great service to the country. But to be three years hands. But as of now, it's hard for me to conceive that I wouldn't vote for the republican nominee. so really What I am reminded of actual aims approved from the simpsons when hall when homer laugh left after after leaving his step the convenience store of who said he said p s stall. He was rude, the customer, and yet there is the best. Damn can store employee.

so here- you have bar going and I wrote down that is full of be ass, I'm going to allow their idiotic claims what he did was a quote grave disservice to the contrary. He lied about the election. He tried to subvert them democracy. Here, an alternate reality. He was delusional. He should never be close to the reins of power again, and yet yeah I'll vote for him. If he's the republican nominee, there are no words and he's not the first. By the way, I did not see that reference coming very impressive from new jersey, extensive reference to connect that back to january six, but he's not the first. He won't be. The last we've heard other republicans who have written entire books about rescuing the republican party and all the problems of donald trump and how we almost brought democracy down with him and then saying gap. But if he's a nominee I would vote for. You can say I think Joe it's an option. I might sit that out. I might not vote

I don't know right in your mother writing ronald reagan or whatever it is, but it see what we all see very clearly in black and white. During this hearing, most of us have known it, but now the whole country is seeing it with evidence from public and witnesses from his own advisers from trams, own advisers to watch that and then say bad, but I the like to see him in the white house again, if it's a choice between him and any Democrat that they did Everything else you ve just said, falls apart. It doesn't matter that you criticised and publicly or privately He'd say I want to see him back in the white house. That's your definitive state! the house committee also played testimony yesterday from former trunk campaign manager, bill steppin, who drew a blunt disdain. between two separate sets of advice. He says the former president was receiving during final weeks in office. There were two groups We call them, can it might even be seen it might be characterized as a part of tea normal.

on web builds up a pretty good help, good reputation. For being honest and professional, and I the same what was happening- was necessarily honest or profession that will in time what they of opposing I thought, was nuts It is. A theory was also completely nuts. There is a combination of the italians. Germans have an indifferent things have been floating around as to who was involved them. Are you a shop? Isn't venezuelan? She has an affidavit from somebody says. The road of software ran something with the philippines just all over the radar. Did your share. Mr commissioner, your view, Mr Giuliani, Joe share your perspective about him. The present, I guess yes

It tell me what you said: a beastly, not the approach. I would take it if I was you if you like, in the car that was the voice of Jared cushioning George conway put all together all the things that you ve been saying for years. That were, of course, crazy that we're on awful case of this january. Six attack in this big lie almost overturned. The election the present the united states. What do you think when you hear all these voices, some of whom I assume you know now, coming out in this testimony, in speaking out against president. I'll, never ever be able to fully comprehend the inability of even a small, critical mass of people to just come out and say This guy is completely unfit for office. I just I still cannot fathom to this day, because they they all knew

they all knew from the very beginning and The answer is that there is too much you know they're just they have too much stake in. financially politically an appointed clare- makes it takes a certain amount of it's hard for people to say to admit that they are wrong and what donald trump does is. He leads people so far over there. over the horizon, that too walk yourself back after awhile is really really almost impossible, she'll be forces you to make a choice and every time you make a choice in favour of tromp, your kind tumbling down and you're going further away from the ability to say. Ok. That was all a big mistake because it would begin to look.

dickie loss after awhile and that's how he meant it. That's how he corrupts people. That's how you know I mean I was sort of like what would not live in person, the jake one of the ways. Yes james call me so eagerly. He just aids it your soul and that's what he does to people and it still to this day astounds me, even though we ve watching it for four years and in its it's a phenomenon that is almost like a like a law, physics You ever hear george. This is what I never understood, make it. I know everybody knows that we knew for a very long time we are now early on in the twenty fifteen campaign, whenever we talk to be like you know, You can't insult John Mccain, can insult this. You can't you don't want to go cat insult a war hero

it'd be going after the press. You shouldn't be attacking megan kelly, you shouldn't be attacking you know, just whatever you know you shouldn't be. You know saying what you say about mcfly, shooting whatever is, and it moves on right and much was made of that. and then I remembered the morning I do is I specifically December third: twenty. The team. He comes only talks about the muzzle registry, nice and the air. That day I can. I can never support this. Guy there's? No way I get ever vote for this guy there's no way. I can therefore support this guy this germany, nineteen, thirty rock, aren't just for the record for the record that during the campaign right would be. This was this was two or three months before the primary. Now, I'm not saying that to say algeria great I'm saying that to say. It's pretty damn simple sporting down black and white and I understand what you are saying and

You know you. Obviously you talk to this guy is well but which, Alex me, is there no lines for any of these people There certainly are lines for a group of of a former republicans. You just said now. I can't do that now. I can't go there, but george I understand that some people are so desperate to be around him, so desperate to have power that their goal going to do whatever they can to stay on board, but people that you and I grew up with people you and I worked with my guide- Why don't you ever any lines? it's hard on me because it it's just hard to explain. I mean if you look at his behaviour characteristics and once you fully accept and I it's easy to sort of deny. First, I thought it level, I thought he was a human being, a wood who would also

we can form in some manner to to to what president could be. I was complete self deception, but I thought that at first and then I began wondering what what like if you do it, and then I realize it's a he's completely, there's just a pathological impossibility of him doing it and then, when you started to look at it, you realize it's. It is black and white. As you say, then you say: usually you start thinking like he does every. that you tell your children, they shouldn't do lie cheat steel and and and bad mouth people prefer. We undertook to aggrandize himself in brag and all of these, these care, risks of that kind of a complete lack of honor honesty, decency, is everything you tell you should be telling your kids not to be, and yet

as the christian evangelical right in his pocket. He has the millions republicans, who utilise, as you say, Joe with their people like you that you and I know, and they, refuse to accept the reality of who he is. They refuse to. You know they just basically saying well I'll, say something like well. All politicians lie like well he's, well he's the you know he's the world record leader in the history of her most documented liar liar in history, I'm sure, given the given the the pr gives pervasive, lying and and the degree to which, which is being recorded by modern means of of media, so you have to, in other words he he leads people into massive denial, and once you get past a certain point,

I guess it's hard for people to come back and say I was wrong because he you you, may you made the wrong turn about fifty times or ties by the time we get to today. Stuff best way. I could characterize denial s kind. I mean there are some people who praise upon weak people who have we care right there, their names. I could say right now that he now we can sort of get something on and then he controls them for the for the rest of time, then runs them over and you're right week. Really, where you have your p, I won't go down the the list. It's too it's too long. Clear mc gaskell? I mean there's only see so much to say here, but I want to go back to the bar for one second of many years, a guy that gonna stay out of the trump white house and what about a pretty good? imputation, at least among

became. Lawyers and the legal community in Washington dc decided to go back and regardless, and then you you're all of the things he said about donald trump, the how lived enrolled in reality. He damage to the country, he can't be trusted, and then he says yes, although for em again, if he's a republican nominee, I mean, if there's, not a greater indictment, that I've heard about the negative partisanship in Washington DC. Quite some time, I can't think of it. That's about is as big graded of an indictment of the house screwed up are too many political system is I remember one bar was nominated, and I remember all of us talking about that folks, we respected where He knows he is normal. Speaking of team I'm He will help keep the president in place where he can do the least damage about was

the commonly held belief on capital hill and let's look at teen normal for a minute. Let's look at, as George said, the arc of what happened during the trump presidency. This is classic tail- is all this time of power. a country of power eddie over country and tea, normal includes most of the elected republican officials in Washington DC and all of them all of them. try doing nor an obfuscate and deflect the wise and the in terrible things that trumpet and by the way they go to meetings at the white house and come back last and how ignorant he was about basic public policy issues. They all saying that he was a joke. They kept and then there was the and him setting up that this was going to be a rigged election with now

for years. We would say in the criminal law he set it up, that it would be rig, and then he called them to washington, and so it was gonna, be wild, any lit the flame and they all ran in fear that day for their lives. And then they all panicked team, normal panicked and for one brief shining moment, they said what needed to be said about donald trump lindsey gram set at mitch, Mcconnell set it Kevin, Mccarthy said it, and then you know what happened traded, it faded and all of a sudden, it was power over country again and they sit there today still cowering in front this obvious fraud, it is work said everything that we don't want our kids to be. It is standing to me that there haven't

and a large group of normal teen normal republicans that had been willing to stand up for their country. At this moment, It has been a sound meagre. You know the thing is everything, course was there and ninety eight, and I mean I everything. republican said about bill, and that the conservative establishment set about bill Clinton talking about rector. He lacks that character to be president of the united states, peace meant of bill Clinton. Everything at all everything that you heard from all of the Republicans is self righteous Indignation on why he had a right to be obsessional? Do, of course they but everything they set about him. Everything will preachers said about him: everything that conservative moralists set about him. Everything

the bill bennet, said about him every day. They all said about him suddenly they forget and it's ok. If it's a republican, ass, a k, a hypocrisy is issue ordinary to evolve into a crisis, knapsack proportions, for our democracy, democracy, the hoop george conway. Thank you very much for your insight this morning. We really appreciate it and coming up risky gamble by democratic groups ahead of the mid terms, will look at the candidates getting support now and hopes of match ups in november and war. If the most watched senate races, this ball will be in georgia, where a demo Ec senator rafale warnock is seeking as first full term. He is our guest next hour plus will get update on the war in ukraine and the. Wrote brutal fight for the dumbass region in the east. That's

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And turned it, and then, when I came back down, she made me put like those slippers over your shoes, because you don't want me to my right. That's expansive, just not me that's right and business. You stop futures rose early this morning after intense sell off during yesterday's trading, says those russian, the major bridges, are getting hammered by data showing inflation is getting worse. Meanwhile, the fed kicks off its they policy meeting today, the fed could raise rates by three quarters of a percentage point came inflation and bitcoin prices are lower. This morning ring senor twenty two thousand dollars the world's largest crypto currency. Yesterday, briefly, fallible low twenty thousand dollars its lowest level since this amber must bring. I now see your markets corresponded CNBC down into is down thanks. My first all, let's talk yesterday a brutal day. You obviously we were getting the bare territory

and looking looking rougher and in the coming weeks, because interest rates going to just keep going up, yeah we're we're busy in not a good way right across the river here in englewood, cliffs new jersey, we've been watching all these things years and you're. Seeing all these headlines right now. This is all really very much tied to this idea that the federal reserve is on a campaign to tempt down inflation, but can do so, can they effectively do so without sending the american economy and, by extension, parts of the global economy into way economic interaction or recession, traders and investors for the last several weeks, if not months now have been

becoming more pessimistic with each passing day about this idea that we can somehow solve those problems without putting the american economy into a recession. For that reason, the hardest part of the market that have been hit have been the ones that are the most economically sensitive, the ones that are that do well when the economy is actually doing well, the places that are actually doing better on a relative basis are the ones that don't need the economy do any thing for them to do. Well, that's consumer staples companies pay always want to buy toothpaste and toilet paper in cleaning products regardless of the economy. The issue right now is going to come down to whether or not the federal reserve by What me could just said raised, interest rates by possibly again, we don't we won't know until tomorrow, but if the scotch and is about raising interest rates by three quarters of a per cent. Policy, meaning that kicks off today and resolves by tomorrow can

do enough to wrap inflation or keep it under wraps without push the economy into a into a recession, that's the big key right now, more there's going to be too far I see receives. Don't you thank you so much. greatly appreciate and good luck today. Take a deep breath is, can be another world ride, willy nilly I think everybody that weighs watch this show for more than a week understands that I might the smartest financed sky. I mean when I get out of college my dead set up by three stocks, one hundred dollars ha eastern airlines braddock. airlines and delorean motor car lot, it seemed delorean centre, seemed ranks in my good bets. At that time. I can't I

The work as the car that opens up opens up back to the future and went back to the adventure. Guy thought it was like I was going to handle aria is: are you? Are you predicted the internet? You said get me some pets, dot com, and that was a long time before pets dot com exists exist exactly my dad said, Joey destination. So you lead right into my next point, even though I don't know a whole lot about the economy. I remember back in two thousand and eight early part of two thousand and eight. I read the wall street journal. I kept reading about. credit default swaps, as they just don't get it, and I give them the wall street journal the financial times and new york times, and I kept trying and it didn't makes sense to me how you move this stuff around and you're just moving bad debt around and that bit, I finally said well these People must know something that I doubt well here we are, of course I didn't hear we

over the past year. To unlike crypto, I don't we get it it's connected to anything these end if These, like monkey, means for like a billion dollars and celebrities it. I don't get it and and and the universe backs, what's his back we'll talk. I go yeah, what what's a spanish s back and what's it can did to one what's bitcoin ends up, really the bitcoins not really connected anything and so, once again, we find this out every ten fifteen years that the market, is still the market and stocks are still connected, the things with the wheel value and, if you're not connected to things with legal value. I could quite baulk at people have made billions and billions of dollars but at some point you get up Sell tulips, for so much of it

jakarta me crashes. I mean it is one of those things I remembered two thousand and four or five people. I knew saying yeah you can get a house, but you don't have to pay for it. How does that work that you pay some way down the down the line? And it's all going to be fine, of course, that brought to the economy to it's knees, and I mean it is a layman's point of view. Admittedly, but the same goes for crypto. What is it exactly? How does it work? What is it rooted in and there are tens of thousands of these different crypto currencies out there, many of which will fall by the wayside, but Jonathan, as we've seen them collapse we heard sir speculators say well? It was sort of a high level game for people of play, but there are a million, people in this country who bought into the story and who have invested in, and some of them will stick around and they may make. For money in the long term will see, but as they can A lot of regular people who were not big speculators, a big actual swingers. You know they ve lost a lot of money.

This reminds me of my big bet on new coke, which is similar to what Joe did with their gap by the long hoping both may come back but you're right. I think that we talk to. your colleague CNBC away, twirly today, and she made that point as well, that for people who have a lot of money in the markets. This was perhaps just a hobby, it's experiment, let's see where this goes, but for a lot of regular folks put a lot into yes and they're gonna be in trouble and other ones were really Can it also to undermine just the overall confidence right now in the markets? We are seeing potentially into a bare market, and we know that their worries, tremendous worries about inflation price at the pump only going up were past five dollars, a gallon on average that still looks like it's gonna screw. You swore, as the summer peek at this hour travels ease of is still six seven weeks away middle. July, we're here from chairman MAO tomorrow. The federal reserve interest rates, but go up more than perhaps first anticipated to try to convey inflation, but it's hard,

on a charge on the american consumer right now, and certainly it's hard politically as well cause. Even if so many of these forces are outside of the control of the white house, but the party in power there are going to take the punishment here, And democrats and the present their senior poland's fall by the day. You know what really maybe it's just a conservative and made, but I always tell my kids if something seems me too good to be true to good to be true, thing doesn't make sense, there's a reason. Something doesn't make sense, and you know you again: you will like crypto currency again, I've read repeatedly, ok, but what's this connected to what stops from falling off the edge of the cliff wise it going up again I repeat, myself are the same thing with the internet. Is a lot of this stuff? Just doesn't make sense and and so yeah billionaires.

They have dabbled in have lost some money, but think about a lot of middle class americans who, through tons of money into this thinking it was a future now lost that money. That's a game or a hobby too rich people. They can afford to have that game or hobby. But most of us Can'T- and again. Some of these may survive. This may become the currency of the future, but right now a lot of it is collapsing under it's own weight. yeah I'm gonna make originally made sets. I got me, let's just barely blood in try to move money illegally ok. Well then, I would guess bitcoin would make sense if you or a school teacher in the morning. It makes you're trying to make investment. I may I again not moving money illegally. Is the right thing to do. I'm just saying: okay! Well, I can understand if some, if a criminal criminal network is going to move stuff around, I guess they don't want to do it through banks, but from there you have something

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