Good morning and welcome to morning Joe, is Thursday june. Twenty third, a logic over this morning, three days for the attack on the capital. Donald trump met with top justice department officials inside oval office and reportedly scolded them for now helping him overturned. The election today Officials will testify before january six select committee, plus the I know two hearing scheduled for this month have now been postponed, as the committee tries to can new information. It says it is receiving some of them information may include footage from a documentary. maker, who was embedded in the white house in the final of the trunk presidency. apparently many white house officials did realized. He was there also.

The letters from voltage access where the police chief blamed for the botched corresponds to the school massacre has been play. two on administrative leave. Stunning underwater photos of an american swimmer being rescued by her coach after fainting during the world. Championships and sinking to the I of the pool. Swimmers. Ok, but this is not. First time. This has happened to her, will explain, it's going on there, along with joy, will is back and me we have four chairman of the republican national committee, Michael steel and white, spiritual at political and the host of way to Worley Jonathan. Let me good to have you all on board the kelpie things may go when you are with multiple things are not things on my mind, I need reaches its american flag and I need to talk. I get about five minutes in getting happenings of mamma. Really, yesterday you may I gotta tell you you missed up

A special moment in washington power tax there was an atticus finch Why character who testified or the general six committee is the speaker of the arizona house, and was moving. I was sauntering about Jesus yesterday because he was talking about Jesus. I was talking about how we bad this always believe in redemption and is testimony to the It's a break down like you said I love Jesus. This divinely inspired the constitution of the united states. Sarah than that Donald, up and his team ask me to undermine Jesus is work here on the u s constitution and to do donald trump ask me to do with tat. Way at the very essence of my soul as apply

like servant and as a christian, I was threatened and abused by gun. Toting drums supporters who trauma as my dying daughter. Employer arises. my neighbours with guns and yes vote for trump down in a second here The chess Alan really really I am a bit- this a bag sliding bad. This did that? That's why I believe in redemption, but we can't just handout, redemption light from dispenser here. This guy he's got a liar he's gotta work with us, and I've got to say if I can think something that defines the tromp era.

Why did is done to my conservative movement, what it has done to lie republican party, what it has done to my church of Angela goals. I would say the arizona speaker neatly, but five by saying he's He's against everything I'm for undermines my face. He undermine, the work of christ on earth. He right with me here forever. My family. He threatened my neighbors and I vote for him. and a bed that is either calls or that is just such a raw pursuit of power in such a fear of losing an election anybody say that either needs to be checked. at a middle hospital, are just checked out of pocket

life he needs to just retire, because the two they don't go together. At least it helps to turn yeah it was. stirring testimony watch sitting there. While it was while he stood in the door, he wasn't getting violate his oath. This is more important. This is bigger than one man, it's not about donald trump. It's about my stay. That's about the country! It's about the sanctity of our elections in the democratic process. Come up, but I'd say vote form and as you point Joe he's, not alone, we the same from former attorney general bill bar, whose testimony in these january six committee hearings, husbands control to the case that the committee is making that nl? Mr president, the election was not stolen you to stop this bs and yet, when he's asked later, would you for download trouble course. I vote for the republican nominee if that sound trump above where there are people our entire books mika about saving the republican party. Prominent figures, I'm gonna, save the party from donald trump

you vote for me. If he's denominate port side vote form, I end. So it's not just this man but you're right, Joe and make it that is to me that just well down the essence of this moment in a man more specifically this moment in the republican party, where they know they all understand and now they're saying it out loud and some of these hearings how bad he is, how close he brought us to the brink and yet there and to do it all over again and by the way it will be worth next time because guard rails will be gone. You won't have those adults in positions of power along donald trump towel, I agree with you and I still don't understand how the two go together, that you were putting their joe run at this. time. The reason I thought that it was impressed. so maybe profile Courage is going too far, but he got up their hands the questions he told the truth. He told what went wrong. He told them.

Why was wrong how it went to the very core of our democracy, our constitution, this sacred document, and I feel like it emphasised even more the problem, the fact that he was still for him? I think it's actually compelling What now aware, I guess I perhaps I mean you know, This is Michael steal. This is this is the problem. If I'm calling him atticus fence led, say what is this I gathered is french, saying Bob you, is a racist bob. You was responsible for the death of a black man. bob you all today you killed my son, buell tried to beat up daughter bob you. spit in my face, and yes, if bob mule ran from error. My town foreign minister. It doesn't make any that,

wonder, but our people existence virtue signalling to voters a firm again I've just actually destroyed and probably, but I it would. You really think good old rusty got into the voting. Both he would vote for donald trump again after he traumatized is dying daughter in our final days, for his neighbors, were threatened with guns because of donald trump after he undermined we do. We really think he vote for donald trump again or is this republic virtue, signalling I think he would- and I think there s no one ever follows up with the important the most important question. Why why would you do it the reality is for some a lifeboat the same as with bar at the end of the day. They still believe that, yes proposition the central thread constant slim and for those reasons that we that you just outlined, but when they

across the aisle. They see that they see Biden and the Democrats as a greater threat, because that it gets into the narratives tat. We ve heard about socialism and woke ism, an grooming, our children and all the other cultural narratives me about hours you know, as was stated in the testimony, is a strong, hard right conservative right. It made sense to me that hear him say: tromp is a cut to our constitution, and I stood in the doorway to stop him. But look What's what my the choices are, if he's on the ballot, then I'm going to support it because, at the end of the day I asked in the doorway, to fight him for up under the constitution, because I know he won't take us down these cultural pass. He won't ruin our economy. You won't do all the narrative. The two here dimmer report his talk about in owning the lips. So it begs the question

there's someone else other than tromp. Does that scenario change exactly what this elections can be about. Coming up and timing. You can always say, first of all, if, if you would choose the destruction the united states constitution? Over eight point, six percent inflation globally right, I mean yikes, I koran by the hour, I will say the negative partisanship especially on the side of republicans, really is a cancer. I mean they all all that money they run out and observing all I have friends, run around chirping, but what about nancy Pelosi? But what about? What you say will Joe Biden's president and they go yeah but he's not running it. Camila harris is running and another. I mean it's all negative partisanship so, but but can you really justify somebody that who believe as not only true the undermined the constitution of unit of the united states of america, but all

so attacking jonathan, no mere the. The very essence in his words of god's work on earth, How do you go from that to saying yeah. You know. True? undermining my saviours work on earth, but you know the key annotated, easing policies of the left I find trouble? I I don't know how you square it up, and this guy knows by the way this guy knows, that lies at the republican party spreading about c t the lies about out there trying to make every four year old. consider being a transgender dated. sky knows those are all lies so so I again I am just it.

Its fascinating again. Why we going on about its visit this because Just it speaks to the moral right in the republican party that This is personal to me that my concern the movement, my political party, my charge, has I'll be charlatan. This falls idle. This falls, profit they come in and just bleat all, the things I want to hear sky, whose always for abortion on demand a guy? I know I'm pro life. This guy, who was we're gun control. Now saying no to get it was it why Why was it that easy and why is it still that easy for him, even after they understood He tried to destroy american democracy by the speakers. Oh words, cod,

speaker a man clearly a faith. He talks about his mormon religion the plight of bed and talked about how he believes the constitution was divinely inspired and yet, after all, dumping tromp and trumps behaviour in trumps allies behaviour in recent days, saying he's to do so again, vote for him again and to the question you asked Michael like if in the sea, the ballot box. Would he in that private moment, actually vote for donald trump? I tend to ruth Michael that he would but eve if he wouldn't isn't it worse, that he's lying and saying he would because he was so desperate to keep that degree of power. So desperate to push public voters, our say: hey, I'm still on your side here, and clearly the decision that he and those like him have made is that doll tromp was the greater to this democracy since the civil war and yet somehow what the threat the Democrats pose

worse that there are socialists that they are endangering the whole system that we can't be the american? republic with them in charge, and it does get into some very dark questions as to what they are one? but he is sure ours is far from alone. We mentioned william bar, let's river mitch, macaulay the set of minority leader who has on a number of times tried to stand up to trompe condemned them from the Senate floor, during the second impeachment trial and then voted to equip here has condemned him all their time in his behaviour and always try to destroy the republican party and has also said that if trump, where the nominee, he would vote for him again. ryan is the attempt to power and and and this it's not like this is new ways. Paul ryan two thousand sixteen, Donald trump or racist and say what donald trump said is epitome of racism, and I can stay endorse them again have how'd. He how do you get

from donald trump is a racist too. endorse. Donald trump is a party We believe that important do that sick. I mean it in sick for republicans, You know, I said very clearly the guy started trotting out. see ideas like muslim registries in december of two thousand fifteen, the entire party should have broken away from him at that point, the entire party. much worse than that when started spewing. This nazi rhetoric about muslim registries. Muslim bans that was just beginning of the republican establishment move damn yeah there no question about it and you can go down the list of prominent people. Some of them are running against him, granted in two thousand and sixteen ted cruz Marco Rubio. The list goes on and on who couldn't bear to have trump and the party who thought he was disgusting had horrible things to say about him until they didn't and now

I'll. Do anything for donald trump and and Michael steel mentioned the idea of someone else, perhaps rising in the party that could give people like MR bower, someone else to vote for that ballot box. This is a very small smet snapshot, but an interesting one. A new pole of republican likely voters in new Hampshire, showing forty governor rhonda santas has close the gap with donald trump, eight months ago, trump led to santas by twenty five points in a universe of new Hampshire pole. Now this This leads by two points: a statistical tie with donald trump in that Paul in the state of new Hampshire. The pole also chose to Santa's without proof, I am trump against Joe Biden. Trump loses to Biden in this poll by seven points to santas and Biden locked in a statistical tie. The status with a one point edge show Joe it's one poll, it's a tiny sample size. All of those caveats, of course, but when you look, the trend line there. A few months or understand,

Closing the gap by twenty five points may be at least in new Hampshire. Perhaps elsewhere people are looking for someone else. Who can be that culture warrior without all the trump baggage, Pull does actually matter. It's a new answer Paul if balls from new Hampshire are from south carolina and it shows that type of trend line even play years out. It shows where republicans are thinking of the most important primary state in america's area. Paul matters. There's another pull the Michael that I find or more striking can we put up the Biden versus tromp paul, I've been saying this nonsense. Now- and it is so important for people to stand. This, in fact, is somebody that sets very close to drop. I, to get this message across a them six months ago when they said you think of you ran again They get what I said. No because, as I said before, the people

donald trump loss between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty they're gone forever. They may never vote for binding. They may hate everything Joe Biden doing, but I always say about by me, young converters in and those focus groups there, we'll trash Joe Biden policies, but they will say in the last answer: they don't regret their boat. Here's a pervert example that Joe Biden up I doubt in new Hampshire, Joe Biden upside down and most swing states, You you look at maggie and she's in for the fight of her life, because how unpopular Joe Biden is in new Hampshire right now. But just as your johnson just as one johnson and and just as other republicans have said, the only report that could have lost thousand twenty was donald, and here we see the same thing playing out. Ve votes. The Donald

lost, he's not getting back there's no way to get the swing voters in north atlantic in new Hampshire. In this. forms of philip. There go on forever and I just wonder of the republican party is going to figure that out think they are, and I think that's what the new hampshire polls showing, I think what you seen is Is governor dissenters has very craftily ends. Hopefully in some in some sense positioned himself. As a our version of donald trump people say without baggage, I think he's just as dangerous, if not more so, I'd just look at what is doing in florida, but at the end, The day that does it that's gonna matter less, where a lot of those voters to your point, who had swung Offer trop are now looking for some place to go the said offers that port for them to land in and the reality for four tromp is, does, he now come back

What's his narrative going to be within the party To hold his his prime aphasia place as as the top down An hamsters shows that there is a pathway we ve heard it? in the hearings, Joe just from a second set, secretary wrappers burger about the fact that tromp in in the twenty election. You voters who voted ballots skipped president. Those the voters you're talking about we're not coming back. That's thirty, eight thousand forty thousand vote gap for those who say our vote, everybody else on you know every other republican except tromp is the problem tromp presents for the party going into twenty for this, this is where I now seems to be gateway to something that gives them added advantage over the Democrats at the presidential level and Joe when I mentioned baggage. What I meant by that is what we hear from republicans all the time. It's the backward looking from

well trump's, in other words, if he runs in two thousand and twenty four and all he's talking about, is the two thousand and twenty election was stolen from them. That makes a lotta republicans roll their eyes and say please, we ve got press by non the rope see these numbers are low. The wrong track number is high inflation. We ve got all these things going forth. Let's not talk about twenty twenty and I think a lot of republicans that you talk to an idea to believe descent. This could, at least before looking and not look back at an election, he claims was stolen. Well, I mean look at you. Look at his speeches, even the one this past week, they are the hall back looking and they're all the greatest heads from two thousand sixteen and not performed well with all due respect to the king of rock and roll. This is fat elvis and seventy seven, how thing in things are loaded and now like bear being able to get this yellow the scarves out from around his neck, throwing them into the crowd. This is not a pretty sight and so I dont think republicans. I just

think republicans want this, but again There are big as I have always said, make it, as you know, As goes nashua soviets, France, you look at this Paul. You look at what has been happening in what has been said about Mccrone. I said the french voters that, like mccrone, they thought lappin under their plight better, but look was crazy silly, they said about from across. And so we one big time we saw that the same thing with donald trump and yet this past week. You actually microns party git hammered because they vote for an idea without voting for le pen and an end there, actually parallels between what's happening in france than ones in the united states. Right now, with donald trump, you have a person leading the party most americans now think is for are too crazy to to

be present the united states again their exhausted by their exhausted by his lies there exhausted by him. Looking back, we of course are are concerned, and some would say obsessed because vat. We only as a board of forty forty one percent of americans. We don't understand how forty forty one percent of americans could, for someone, especially if they got themselves conservatives but strange shred in democracy, and the risks of possibly winning in twenty twenty four are so great that some We can turn our eyes for absolutely that sad, you, get that new hampshire paul, but I have one more time Joe Biden underwater and every paul Joe Biden the lowest ratings that he's had, and yet Joe Biden beating donald trump in new Hampshire. but cause well, it's donald trump,

dare say Joe Biden wouldn't reach. Fifty percent right now It's early did you paper bag breathing, two: it don't hyper ventilate it's early, but right now Joe Biden, would be at fifty percent against any republic, and you put up their other than I'll drop so that's it. It's a fascinating snapshot anyway, and we are, we think, the universe in new hampshire. For this pole and also run dishonest man the saddest, has just absolutely overtime donald trump and again, the most important wings, the most important primary state in an republic politics that we have a lot to cover this morning's till I had on morning Joe heightened security concerns for select committee members ahead of the fifth public here being surrounded the January sixth attack on the capital, plus the lead from ukraine amid new reporting that russian forces have pushed deeper in

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Biden's latest effort to ease gas prices. In a speech at the white house yesterday, the president urged congress to pass a three month, gas tax holiday. The move would suspend the federal tax on gas is about eighteen sent a gallon. It would all temporarily, suspend the tax on diesel fuel at twenty four cents, a gallon. Fully understand that the gas tax holiday alone is not going to fix the problem will provide family some immediate relief a little bit. A breakthrough has continue working to bring down prices for the long haul and Biden is also asking states to suspend their own gas taxes which he says could bring prices. Down as much as a dollar per gallon. That would make a difference but economists and law makers from both parties view. The idea with

skepticism and suggested, won't do much to help consumers house speaker Nancy policy was non committal on it Senate mcnerney later much mitch, Mcconnell, quickly dismissed the idea calling it quote a silly opposed. What way by humans to cut taxes are not thought he wants to cut taxes on. How could that be silly, fuel prices when people are suffering. Why said recently? That is why I too am is suggest. Can the government not taken off of Africans money I don't know, I'm serious, I'm Joe Biden wants to give again, some money back at the pump, when their suffering. Why why this Mitch Mcconnell think it's silly to help work? class americans, because this proposal actually would help Working class? Americans, the most would help question middle class ones, arrogance, the public have what are they offered when one of their ideas and london know how they would only make you know what will be great if it may be there

Better idea said the words wealthy Annie go go Toby? That's there. I know, let's bring, renounce immensities brian solvent, hopefully hasn't seen, piggy blinders over doesn't know what a bad imitation of healthy song about why this is my only problem here is my only problem, but we ve got with the white bread and the brown bread Joe. What do you want okay, he knows he knows who was worth lorry now. That's! Ok! That's ok! So I'm curious, curious. You gotta get guy from alabama a guy from virginia attack trying to do alfie solomon accents is not really pretty this early. We should really wait at least and allow our eleven a pm, our we get straight through on this item, so why am I the idea of a gas tags holiday right now when people are hurting. My only problem is I don't.

oh, that it actually will get passed on to consumers, because maybe people. Russian gas stations was errand we'll. Just we'll just keep the money ourselves. What say you. Well, it's it's entirely possible and also not just me university of pennsylvania, wharton school of business back in April Joe did a study about this. Instead You know we could have as little as forty percent that's actually through. So, if you just do the basic math eighteen sense, a gallon, let's say forty percent is passed through. The news is fifty guy of gasoline a month. look at it a household savings of about four dollars a month. maybe five to ten bucks a month I mean I'm saying that doesn't matter at all, but that's that's very small money in comparison to everything else is going. I think the diesel side, twenty four cents, a gallon not only is more relevant, bigger, but also diesel is far more important

in the inflationary aspects, Joe and Mika, to the supply chain for everything trucks. they giant ships right. That's all diesel fuel, so made you bring that off that we're seeing some logistics supply chains, transportation costs come down, although it is also meeting jennifer, granite secretary of energies, meeting with seven oil and gas yos. Today, confirm. That meeting is scheduled to start at eleven fifteen, and go to new now and make a longer. But that's that's a forty five minute meeting its you know it's hard to get a lot done in forty five minutes. Listen here's the reality about energy prices right now, there's not a lot We can do in some fear that lowering costs may actually drive up demand because people say well so little cheaper now. I get on the road. But why do some breaking news you may be interested in regarding qatar image Mcconnell some state century aluminum, which is a big aluminum company there just moments ago, announcing idling one of their aluminum factories, because the price of power is too high and so

hundred people are going to be laid off from that century. Aluminum factory, Fourthly, this is military, great aluminum as well joe. So Here's the real world impact of higher energy costs, six hundred kentucky and losing their good jobs, this century alone. Factory of little come back. lines. That's ralph will keep an eye on that jokela mere the president's decision to go ahead with this gas taxol lay some demo The criticism it, along with republican criticism, some criticism from the treasury department to Jos point the concern from that stani hoy your voice yesterday was there's going to be oil companies a lot of money, we're not sure it makes it all the way down to the consumer. at the white house arrive at this. Yet it took months of deliberation is something the present initially opposed. He came to this idea, sort of reluctantly. We heard him talk about how he feels like he knows it won't make a big difference. He has said that he's candid about it, but he feels like every little bit helps and it's also important what else I hastened to be showing americans that their tie. but there is a very

real. Possibly this will never come to be. It is risky, certainly republicans don't seem inclined to support it, that's as well feeling it will deploy able deplete the highway fond. That's where the gas tax goes to keep that coffers full and they don't think this. Much of a difference to watch. Your journal statute did a good story this week, going to talking to people kinetic a state that already weighed the gas tax consumers, their didn't know, difference. They don't think this will be much of anything, but they feel like it. need to just sort of show is that prices rise. Across the board, not just at the egg at the gas pump. We are the president when it goes europe next week will talk again about the impact of the The ban on russian oil energy has had on this rising prices, but this Islam, damn just sort of scrambling for ideas, there'll be others that come down later this summer, yeah joe, I just got back a couple of days in california, there were sevens the board, seven dollars a gallon in some places. Ninety nine and others. That's that's not we're not going on that road trip that summer. That's. I can't connect to work. Just states unsustainable,

it is unsustainable. Michael wanted to ask you quit quick political question and, as we continue to talk rather differences between republicans in democrats of shocks, humor. Had said, Suspending gas tax suspending the gas tax during a time of massive inflation when, middle class in working class americans were working republicans winter that quote, and they were the hammer here Every Democrat for our minds mitch. My cardinal just said that cutting taxes world taxes is a silly idea that cut taxes during light no no the biggest inflationary surge in

as prices across america with number one issue for americans right now by the way is a silly idea. This is a difference between republicans and democrats, because you know, guarantee you If it was when I went away, was in congress and the democratic braddock leader had said this. I would begin speech on the floor and every other, public a member, be giving a speech on the floor and we would never never and other people others. If it is just not a big deal. It is a big deal cause there. Adds up cumulatively, and it just shows Democrats, don't know how to fight. Now They don't know that it's so frustrating by their absolute. So let's take this in the order of things. You're absolutely right give if Human had come out and said that before the for the entry, on the press. Release Mitch Mcconnell would have been in front of a bank of microphones with his overalls. I'm talking about the american worker

there now and how profoundly in a tone deaf humor. Is it not understanding why this eighteen sense is gone. We that important to the american worker but to two other things why the is, we blew by. What make us at which I thought was was the most important point. Ok of course it will. is your plan, How would you your butt? a poison republican party is poised to take back at least one chamber of the congress. Maybe both were these your plan to deal with seven dollars, a gallon gas. This gives us a mind. You don't want to cut eighty cents out the federal tax, What are you going to do that like to know before I go to the polls in november? Just so I have a sense of which part is actually working for me or which one is just flap in the trap right Secondly, to surprise point is we does blue by the fighting

forty percent of this is all will see out of the eighteen since the oil companies not pass at all what the hell, if the federal because the federal tax you being shell and am ammo amoco, whoever is going to sit there go well we're not going to pass that on to the consumer. So that's the prob that's how we don't get out of this one more thing: why we get all exercise because the the fair chairman's out here say exactly what everybody knows. The case. We're on the press. As a group of a recession the moment he acknowledges that the stock market goes crazy? Like all we got it, we got a cell, but in ten minutes later turns around- and and ngos back up. The american people are getting whips sod and are looking for someone to step up with some and standing of how this economy work and, if you don't know than just shut up about it, We can understand it explains a through this thing, the arrogance

yeah yeah and make this goes back to what I was saying to Joe Biden needed to do with the republicans casino good idea. They have now good idea when it comes to inflation, that they're gonna be about inflation, but they can't what are they gonna? Can they fix inflation in the united states? When there's inflation across the western world, can they fix inflation in the united states when it's even higher in britain? Can they fix inflation? The united states, when it's even higher higher the netherlands or poland? Can they fix inflation again? When global trends from china from the from the war. From a lot of different things, I mean bacon points food to spending early on in this administration for covert relief. The only problem with that is, they spent some much more when they were islands and joint, so they have not so the thing that it was for Joe Biden to call every public? In that a collar

republican leader and say we're having an inflation summit come into the white house. Give me your ideas, we're going to have the cameras running. I need your ideas. I need to understand you're, so smart and I'm just a simple caveman president. So please come into the white house and tell me what is your plan? I understand I do not understand the intricacies of your macro and micro economics and running water, so please come and help caveman lawyer and president figure out How'd, you get insulation. If I am not mistaken joe, what we see is a loop. provocative. We want to be right, wing, well, mediaeval of lies and following up a bike of Joe Biden, energy crisis of Joe Biden, gas prices of Joe Biden economy of Joe Biden, this ok grey

What are your idea is because we are in the middle of a world war. I'd like to note do they do anything, but basically like throw stones. Who was a things that are our news? Your maker regain is real. Breaking those breaking those Joe Biden fell off his by all my god. More breaking news, put it on a loop, donald trump. to get his vice president killed like says that the two things you need to figure out one another. You thanks to you and to prioritize. You may not want to show the hearings of the heart were. Donald trump tried to guilt. We we will say we will see Joe Biden falling off a bike in a loop I mean, but but really the thing is again here: call their bluff do anything about inflation under donald trump during

for years they raise deficits, they raise the debt they re. Spending at record rates are highest deficits in history. The highest debt in history, the high the biggest bloated budgets, in american history under donald trump. So so come on. An einstein tell us What you're going to do to bring down inflation? I'm all yours. and they have been able to do that at the white house as an asked, at least in the way that you're you're doing here- and I wish you were publicans- don't have that answer, but this is going to be the same a piece of this mid term season, where republicans now believe? Not only will they take the house, but the Senate as well going into the second half of president binds first term with majorities republican majorities and just gridlock. in washington. It's going to be about inflation. That number is not going to come down here. Omnific jointly by november gas prices will come down a little. We hope, but not significantly, and it will all be

and on Joe Biden, whether he likes it or not, Let me tell you this want to know the secret the curing inflation not only the united states of america, but it ass globe. I have two words for you: herschel: what you can watch it online answer by the way I dance never saw kernels. I wanna buy herschels, got the answer, act and a whole lot more. What's happened, May god I didn't actually coming up a key region in ukraine could be closed to falling under russian control. We'll get expert analysis on this developing situation from the president of the council. On foreign relations, richard Hoss and a little later this morning we continue conversation on the war with: u s ambassador to ukraine over engine brink,

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once long bloody battle of attrition, the challenge will get. The coalition is trying anyway, to stay the course to keep funneling money and weapons to ukraine, even as the countries take economic hits because of sanctions on russian gas and oil join us now, the president of the council on foreign relations, richard switch. It's great to see you so president has even a taller task, maybe this time than he did when he was in europe a couple of months ago, and it feels like the world was laser focused on ukraine was willing to pour money in aid and everything else, weapons into that country. What It's challenge for him, as he adds to germany on Saturday What he's fighting really is where you Michael war fatigue, you ve got millions of refugees in countries like poland and elsewhere. You ve got the fear that the war will expand two year. Russia now is weapon rising to some extent. Energy dependence period

cut off stretch. Europeans aren't ready, among other things, for gas cut off, particularly in italy and germany, which are highly highly dependent inflation here, but also there. So you ve got a lot of issues and its Think of a big emotional reaction. Early on sustaining this. This is essentially become the new normal. and you see in europe all the other things going on the french elections, britain, they the by elections, the arrogance the prime minister. It's not a constables, happy content, europe and that's what Joe Biden is waiting into, Certainly you national and cross border johnson, both pluming weakened the when buying was last in europe back in march. The president himself has had his pole. bros to slip sense that a democratically nervous about november second part the triple nato and others a belief that the sums deal will be struck with turkey to get sweden and finland in but more immediately how did put

please betting, that western resolve will way because of inflation, has a prices because of war fatigue. How, despite and combat The the only way to combat is to remind people of the stakes and to say here's what we're doing put pressure on them to do more economically militarily, and we have to start talking about how we help them out on the energy front. What we really need to have some serious plans in the short run in case. does weapon eyes. Gas cut ask how we try to fill some of that gap and in the long run we need a transition plan. We are EL funding, the war and the single most important thing that could come out of this trip. Besides to amp up arms exports to ukraine will be. How do we accelerate, above all, the transition from russian gas to

echoing or middle eastern gas, and that means in this country we ve got a build. Certain capabilities stack sport. Europe has to build either on shore offshore liquid natural gas terminals. Tat important. It's too big going on that. That is the single most important is still. I gotta think that we could be facing a situation. Jonathan were one or two years. We still be funding this war effort for vladimir, but that makes absolute zero sons, yeah. You know richard way we're going to have to actually have a discussion in this country about that. How we're going to help the europeans? We want the europeans off of russian oil, but we gotta go full of choices. We can deal with the saudis which people find offensive. We can the increase. Our capabilities are refineries in the united states. Progressive find a. I may there's, not a there's, no easy way to do this, Joe Biden is going to have to face down progressives in his own party and stop virtue, signalling it again twitter

start up the guy stop the virtues, certainly if they want to stop the spread of prudent ism across europe is actually less oil and coal, oil and coal, or what the energy tat. We call fungible that the russians have, or I found other places, to export, to india, to China there, their oil and coal. The real question is gas pipelines can't easily be replaced, have to build new ones. It takes years to to do that, so that becomes. Critical issue. New europeans. Quite honestly, Joe, had made a bad situation worse, the germans, while continuing to shut down nuclear plants. This makes zero sense in terms of energy security, but also by the way, makes zero sense in terms of climate change. No one star, about climate change? Just today, IRAN reach, listen to this. A hundred twenty six degrees in iran honest place on earth this year, you ve got this big climate change conference in Egypt coming in December. Guess what

We will have lost ground over the last year because of energy security concerns that the world is burning more coal than than ever before. We continue to phase out nuclear at that This makes absolutely no sense showing we ve got to learn how to deal with multiple crises. We ve got an immediate crisis. Obviously, in ukraine we ve got this growing crisis all over the world and, quite honestly, things are going from bad to worse We all know in enriching, and we will we just have to save your people- have to start listening. We ve been parking I've been talking for twenty five years about the. to reduce our carbon footprint and and bring energy to this country by building nuclear plants there safer than ever low carbon footprint if we, had started doing white or what many people with with vision and suggested fifteen Wednesday twenty five years ago that we would be

four different place right now, but you're right, germany going in the wrong direction. Many people going in the wrong direction right now, again, instead of doing what obama talked about, which is all above and all of the above approach to energy security It's just the opposite, we're going in the wrong direction. We are not all fossil fuels with the same natural gas as a much lower carbon footprint and then call so we oughta be accelerating that Obviously there there's renewables all the things you do to use less fuel, one of the problems by lowering the gas tax, whatever the financial think it'll just encouraged. But to drive a little bit more. You gotta ask yourself whether whether that makes, a lot of but we still don't have any answers to this, and it is very hard for democracies. deal with slow motion. Crises are not so good at dealing with real crises, but we'll

I have problems dealing with crises that haven't quite hit with full force yet and that's what we that's, what we see with us? We see it with debt. Another issue, I know you care about which is just going to get worse. As interest rates go up, we see it with climate, which varies hard for political leaders to talk about things and then to galvanise any sort of a public response. Was still have options the danger then more or less than a moment, and then you run out of options, and then you ve got no choice, whether I'm a crisis is here: the climate crisis has been here. There have been so many things that we could have done that we did not do again, we still seem to be going in the wrong direction. When we finally ask you about france, germany, in some countries who early on set all the right things talked about increasing their military budgets, and now according to Zelensky, and also this people I've been talking to in europe, they can't wait.

get back into russia there trying to figure out business people they're, trying to figure out ways around the sanctions right now trying to continue money off of russia and militarily, they seem to be all talk very little action. What is going on with germany? What is going on with russia. Are they in this fight or not The answer is they're half in and half not a couple of things are are going on. One is the fear about losing access to russian energy in the short run before europeans are ready, for it would obviously mean high employment and economic contraction. The worry about, though, the widening of the war and then place like france, the given the rise of the new right in the far left in germany, you have still some very romantic. I think It terribly misinform views about russia. You actually have germans talking about not alienating russia. You of the french president talking about not u milly, aiding russia, but they haven't figured out is this.

The russia they thought they do. Putin's russia is qualitatively different way. River bed, I'm curious rage, or do they not have television sets in germany and france anymore did that? Why did they pass a law and take tat duty? We might see what vladimir Putin is doing to civilians. Should they not see him indiscriminately bombing hospitals not indiscriminately actually targeting hospitals, I get it in syria targeting apartment buildings to issue having his soldiers, shoot ukrainians in the streets in called, but do they not see that what is romantic about that? To france and germany, they see that, but that that was yesterday's pictures, the effective those of faded. What they see as this large country on whom they are economically dependent. There were about militarily? They want to trade with and what you see as a kind of nickel rio polity taking over and I think again, Putin senses it

one of the challenges for Joe Biden going to europe its to remind people of what's it stay both in europe and around the world. If we allow Putin to prevail, if we him to succeed? Why does anyone think he's going to stop and eastern southern ukraine? Not just ukraine, what else mighty target in europe what less My china learn against taiwan and so forth. There is an enormous amount at stake here. That's depressed its challenge to make sure people don't lose sight of it richard Hoss thanks very much for coming on this morning. We'll see you again very soon and still I had got to today's hearing for the january six committee. It is the last one for at least a few weeks will tell you, the panel is pushing back its schedule and get you ready for today's testimony, plus new reporting on the rats made against law makers on that committee,

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