The Morning Joe panel discusses the impact of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
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This is something that belongs to all of us and it does not belong to. Lawmakers does not belong to nine supreme court. Justices
one thou always looked up to the supreme court and thought that they were
interactive christmas phase, one and our objective in the pro life movement to make abortion thinkable throughout our country. President trump deserves the lion's share of credit. Here he fought like a tiger to put three constitutional conservative judges on the court. I'm overjoyed, I see no words that can describe the way that I feel right now, the this is dead
serious that we are now
going to let this path.
constitutional right has been
taken from the people of amerika.
If you are an elected official, you can do something. That is a message I really wanted people to hear, but you are in charge. Stop asking us what we're going to do you do it. Your vote, you can act.
You can have the final word, this
is not over
we went off the air at ten. A m on friday and ten minutes later this,
this is an NBC news, special report. We have just received word of a decision in one of the most consequential cases before the supreme court. In decades
the monumental ruling by the supreme court finally handed down more than a month after that unprecedented leak of a draft opinion
trusting. The nations highest court was poised to overturn the landmark
Eighteen, seventy three Roby way:
case, the nation,
the highest court rulings sixty three to uphold the mississippi abortion ban being challenged, cheaper
yes, John Robert supported that, but stopped short of.
Turning row that felt was five to four
ending the constitutional protected right?
to abortion. After a nearly fifty years.
All follows decades of efforts by opponents of abortion made possible by three of wine teased the high court by former president donald trump
ruling also reversed planned parent heard versus casey a supreme court case that real
ro back in
nineteen. Ninety two writing for the majority justice, samuel, Alito declared abortion presents a profound moral question,
Situation does not prohibit the citizens of each state. From regulating our pro
having abortion
roe and casey abrogated that authority.
We now overruled those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives. Ss Stephen briar, Sonia son of my hour and alina kagan vehemently disagreed
sorrow for this court more for the many millions of american women who have today loss
a fundamental constitutional protection. We descent they wrote
warning that abortion opponents now could pursue a nationwide ban from the moment of conception and without exceptions for rape or incest.
season galvanised both sides that debate, starting with pay
event. Joe Biden
the supreme court the united states expressed.
he took away the cars
right from the american people,
That is already recognised,
they didn't limited
we took it away
with this decision
The conservative majority, this room cord, shows how extreme it is.
Far removed. They are from the majority of his country.
They made the united states and outlier among developed nations in the world,
this decision must not
The final word
The reaction was instant. Abortion bans wanted to effect a nine states, while clinics and multiple other states from alabama to south Dakota shut down
immediately trigger laws and thirteen states are set to ban the procedure in the coming days. In response to the ruling, the governors of california or again and washington announced a joint commitment to maintain access to abortion and content,
corruption and to predict
writers and patients from the legal reach of other states declaring we will fight like help to protect our
rights and our values, the way,
if of joy and anger set off immediately after the decision continued all weekend. Protests grew in a number of cities, including thousands demo.
straining against the decision outside the barricaded supreme court
since more chanted. We will rise up and new york's washington square. Meanwhile, for many conservative sunday was a day of celebration as the issue took centre stage from the pulpit yet the
vision to overturn row clashes with the views
over overwhelming majority of americans delay is falling, shows americans consider the ruling a step back.
words for a nation. By more,
the twenty percent margin? And, as we have seen for some time, oversight
percent of americans have told Gallop and other news organisations. They support. Row ring
upheld good morning and welcome the morning joe, it's monday, Joe
Twenty seven,
you.
I have been on the front. All we can do as it by
from people calling obviously a lot of grave concerns- and I must say grave concerns even long
those who are pro life and have been pro life through
out their own lives concerned about the fact that you have
young women, victims of rape, victims of again says that, because of this ruling in many
States are going to be forced to carry the rapist child, determine that's just the reality and that's what we
keep hearing yeah and
or, as coming, I've been hearing from women all over the country and even around the world. This is devastating and I in a vast me what what we can do- and I've got two words please
out it was winston churchill who said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried and the same might be said of the democratic party. At this point, democrat
somehow managed to get the most votes and lose the most election. So they need more, even one,
when they lose. It could be argued that today's Democrats are too weak to fragile, to woke to lead to do
Next, it from the realities of working americans, and yet the democratic party is the
worlds last best hope again
first fascism against it.
Extreme autocratic and
woman, antigay
anti contraception anti freedom collection of fascists who dominate the trump
of today's republican party, a group of fascists who even refuse to investigate the violent riots that their president launched on january, six to overthrow a legitimate
the elected president. Why
As they are fascists, and now
claiming control over your bodies, your health, your life and they
promised they're coming next to take away your birth control pills and even what you do with another consenting adults in the privacy of your own bedroom? To call trumps republican party in trumps Supreme court? Extreme understates, that
ensure these institutions pose to american freedom to our democracy, J, R fascists, who have contempt,
for what seventy percent of americans believe up? Roby wade? What now
percent of americans believe about you.
Virtual background checks and
You believe about europe
to control your own body and your life? So what
donald trump america look like Joe sort. I described
there are in reality, it looks like a thirteen year old rape and incest victim being ordered by the state to have a forced birth of her rapists baby,
That's where we are and twenty twenty two.
And for all the democratic parties flaws, though the only party that can stand this continued rise of fascism, register,
vote, work toward and
for a majority that can protect your body
your freedoms and just
may save our country
That's right, you're! Right now, former? U s attorney harry! Let me also and b c news presidential historic, michael bestial, as member of the new york times at a tory aboard mara, gay and michigan state senator mallory MC mauro. As the issue of abortion, now heads back to the states where the battles
being waged professor Levin. Let me begin with you.
I must say it it? It is starting to all of us, but I suspect, even more stunning to those who have studied constitutional law, as you have who teach constitutional law to see
and twenty twenty two. We actually have a supreme court that takes away or right
get over. Seventy percent of americans wanted to cape that's been in effect for fifty years.
and then went on to say we're coming up.
Contraception next were coming
after gay marriage next and even
I don't think, there's been a huff reporting of this
even saying they're coming after what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom, let's say this again: various court.
this cord says
coming after what consenting adults do and the privacy of their own bedrooms next week
there's nothing to stop them, you're totally right. It's been fifty years of rome, where dozens and dozens
justice is upheld. It and now
This court come along and say you know what it's always been: a grievously wrong, a constitutional stature. Well, why is that
because in any
seen century. Sometimes we made a criminal. Oh well, wait a second! What about same sex marriage? What about contraception? It's all true of all of these things and what the court says in his opinion is elbowed. We're not talking about those things today, but it is
in court. They need reasons and reasons there trying to give that role is a grievously wrong. Don't hold
if at all, because they apply to all the things you're talking about Joe. So there is very little reason for consolation that they won't be coming in that direction, because all that has to happen is that newly emboldened red state,
is that law and now comes up
if the court and if they apply the this decision in the same way they're supposed to, and that is what the court does well now we're stuck in the same way to the assurances that everything else is off the table, and this was just some egregiously wrong. Stepchild, just don't make sense to people who think
a constitutional law,
it doesn't make sense it. It makes sense when ellida wrote it in the leaked opinion and clarence thomas. Let us now there's a reason why it did make sense, because that's not actually where the court ended up Tom is said, work
after marriage equality, next we're coming after what adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Next we're coming after a contraception neck. So a senator the the the battle comes to the states now, and I think what is so remarkable that so many americans is because
supreme court lifted this constitutional protection. That's been in effect for half a century. Now you have states that are going to require thirteen year old girls victim.
Of rape victims
in says they are going to be compelled by the state
carry their rapist baby to force a birth. What what
Are you planning to do in Michigan what what
a future look like for young women work for all women,
and I also want to share. I showed a personal story this week on the second floor. There are those egregious examples and then there's also story like mine. After I gave birth to my daughter, I haven't had an eye you d placed and then
you punctured my uterus. I had to be scheduled for elaborate, laparoscopy and Dnc to have it removed and without act
ass to an abortive procedure I might
be sure right now and I have to
to women and families all over the state about
hard it is to become pregnant, how hard it is to stay pregnant safely, how often people miscarry and it
forced pregnancy, regardless of what your doktor thinks, regardless of the situation and find yourself in and the ramifications in michigan we may now
eighteen, thirty, one law on the books along dormant law that makes provide
abortion, a felony by a minimum of four years of prison and right now the republicans wanna go even further and make that eight
you're the ear penalty. So they want to have it both ways they want to say: look. We don't want to go back to the nineteen. Thirty one law: we don't want to send doc
to jail. We don't want to send women and girls to die, and yet
doing nothing. I have introduced the bill to pass the reproductive health act into law in the state of michigan to codify abortion access, but they don't want to take that up. We ve never had a debate, and now it's too late. This is the law on our books and market
let's just for a moment talk about the impact here on poor women
I think it's important for americans to reflect upon this.
This is not actually about saving the lives of babies b. Int
this decision is about control over women's bodies. It's about power,
about a minority and then right wing extremists agenda trying to an end
like they're, well upon the rest of us and
the people who will suffer the most as as usual are them
vulnerable people in society. Every everyone every woman will suffer
every woman myself included. We have fewer rights,
Then we had a week ago, four days ago by the people who
be the first to suffer. Are those who do not have the ability to travel if they need health care? That includes an abortion?
those who do
has healthcare, those
may not have resources or networks to get them the care that they need. This is going to have
oral impact on women of color, specially black women across the south, who have her
and this maternal mortality rates, as is in this country,
There were some projections over the weekend that this is actually going to do
make that worse wishes unsurprising
going to have an impact on rural women. It's going to have an impact on anyone who has to drive now across more
we'll stance in this country to get the health care to which they should be entitled as a human being,
Of course, it is again. The hypocrisy is, is extraordinary because
Maura. You certainly be stated it, but if
if these republicans or of any of these, these senators who supported these,
these judges
their family members, their daughters, their loved ones needed an abortion that they are. They could get on a plane
and taken to another state, its
poor women,
it says you said women better and rural areas in the southern states
that are going to be trapped, making horrific life
decisions without them without the safety of of of
a safe medical procedure, and you know mara
is fascinating- that clarence
promise
showed that hypocrisy is decision. He talked about. He talked about how how controversial
certain rights should be
reviewed again. He talked about
I quality how that should be opened up. He talked about, of course, why
What consenting adults can do in the privacy of their bedroom
bad should reach echoed up buddy
for some reason talk about loving theirs.
Fascinating, didn't talk about interracial marriages and an ice.
All that a lot of people brought that up. As in oh, my god, why didn't you say that I saw that
this being so typical of of of the
republicans these so called
life republicans and what they
do for their own children, but they would do for their own loved ones if medically necessary, if there
the crisis, and yet what they won't do
or poor women in rural states.
Thousands of miles away from where they can have the same procedure. That's right out. I mean, first of all, it's
so I think we should start there, and I think that is sending justice is used. The word draconian and
and which was spot on, but I think
what americans are coming to realise. I was out of the protests on friday, covering them in washington square park. Reminder of anger is extraordinary.
The signs that you see the protest signs are very sophisticated and new saw not just women or not just white women. You saw an incredibly diverse crowd of,
gay new yorkers game
I atkins who signs that said. You know
Bodily autonomy is queer liberation because the point is here. Americans are now coming to understand that this
this minority, ariane, fascist
action in the country. This is not about Joe
abortion? This is about power and control.
and it is about wanting to contain
every aspect of american life, whether it
contraception, of course,
gay rights
it's really about imposing a really extremist view.
a very archaic one of what this country is a white christian nationalist view of
country and I use the word christian muslim in there,
Please please! Please! Please do because I find
So I invite so ironic senator funding so ironic that
certain dems of always said row row
ro as an illegitimate decision, because they never
mentioned abortion and the key
strategic they never mentioned
portion of the founding documents. You know where abortion also is not mentioned in the bible.
Gospels in Jesus his own words. You know those red words never mentioned once and by the way, if it were
Such a centre piece of the christian faith stay with me. Christians, listen christians. If it were such a centre piece of the christian faith, then why did it
baptists now
tina hundred and eighty years after Jesus is birth, to figure out when Ronald Reagan was running for president that they were suddenly against abortion, because baptists were actually safe for a boy
and they were pro choice throughout than
nineteen seventies, catholics only figure,
It was the centre piece of their religion and, like the nineteen thirty's
So again it's just. It is so preposterous, but this
clean
This is somehow a victory for baby Jesus.
It's just a lie and it's a lie. That's been made up over over our adult life and here's what here's? What I'm much older than you,
but here is a way to look at it. I was telling friends that we want. This is the centrepiece
I said, you do understand that evangelicals we're were for choice: lake after the baby,
broke up. Let me
We continue their work for choice after the eagles broke,
Very well afford shaw is when I was in high school, so tell me
does this have to do with the gospels of Jesus Christ. Answer, of course, is happening, may its politics politics
the tax and it gets into. The
bastardization of religion, and you know when I
and gave a speech reclaiming my own christian identity.
couple of months ago. This was about this
horrific,
the use of religion and inflicting it on other.
It is the views of such a horrific minority of people. Religious freedom in that country does not mean you get to inflict your religious views on others. It means the freedom to practise your own religion without fear
situation. But beyond that you know what else isn't mentioned in the constitution. Women. This is an assault on.
freedoms. This is an assault on our identities and right now the supreme court is not going to save us. The congress is not going to save us states and state legislatures are the front lines and the last line of defence. They have sent this to the states
that is where we all have to focus our energy and our effort to take
our freedoms back
my congratulations for this
If you can put this into historical context, because I
I can't think of many times where a constitutional right was
again away and wall that constitutional right was taken which the state is now able to take
I'm over a woman's body until a woman what she can or cannot do and in it
incurring opinion? This state is
they're saying the state should also be able to
Take control of what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Now, I'm, I may not be
gotta this political thing, but on
giving the numbers for that aren't.
really good either, and it shows just how extreme views.
What is how disconnected they are from the american public? And I do wonder Michael
what is the impact of the court
legitimate legitimacy. What is the impact?
of madison in democracy, when you have one branch so radically so radically separated from the will of the people.
Well, let's take a look at eighteen, fifty seven with the dread scott decision that, basically sad you got a supreme court. That is
hopefully racist, and you cannot have hoped that that's gonna change for a very long time without a civil war. I
what I didn't- love by certainly agreed with what make us that, at the beginning
fascism this
as fascist in many ways:
opinion sounded. Like doll prompts inaugural address, which was basically I've got.
The power and of uranium majority that doesn't like it. It's tough lot, I'm here
you are now about to have. I think I would agree with you, Joe the government, in a way that we have never seen before.
A poor one.
A woman by were I'm not talking about economically, but if a woman is in a hospital room having a man,
carriage and let's say one, the people in the room? I is
by what he or she is seeing, because they re
dogs? They read this rules over. They gonna do her to call nine one one. The police are going to come into the hospital room with max
fine glasses sang? Is this an abortion or not we're going to call the prosecutor these
so called small government conservatives, the fight
but particularly where three tromp appointees
our, showing that there actually on the side of the world will be on the side of autocracy
they want americans reporting on on one another is
by on one another? If this extent
to contraceptives, as you were saying, you don't have to pee
we are in a bed room where the door closed is going to be,
Besides, someone saying I think, they're using could contraceptives in their it's illegal. I'm gonna call the cops. Where is
is going to end and one
The thing I'd like to see these three
To prompt justice, as you are asking about, is the court gonna be seen as a legitimate court
is, I think, ass our pride. I hated
people in this country and it makes
extremely sad to say,
we're trump justices came from number one.
A stolen seed from abroad obama
We should have had a hearing aloud,
Our glass
number two.
not coming into a vacancy that was created after
I'll drop enticed anthony candidate, both directly and through intermediaries, to leave the core.
They can see number three amy,
We bear a rushed down the court eight days before the twenty twenty election, which trump lost final
Abraham lincoln and eighteen. Sixty four had to fill such a vacancy. He didn't do it, he said: let's have it.
action first,
vacancy should be filled by a person
to be the next president.
Right in, of course, Harry. We ve heard for quite some time that expanding the court would on.
mind the credibility of the supreme court, they
Bring court has done that already Republicans lincoln's in this sensitive done that already even book
where this decision Gallop reported that
supreme court had its lowest ever approval rating at twenty five percent. So you
about abraham, lincoln abraham, lincoln change, eventually changed the number of justices on the court,
after lincoln staff. Republicans did the same thing there you add Andrew jackson, doing it you add thomas,
a person doing its job
Adams wanting to do it, of course, washington doing it from the very beginning it is.
it's hard
to listen to republicans who have done what they ve done over the past five years by lying through their teeth. First,
By saying they couldn't let Mary garland on the court, because it would,
undermine a rule and then line through their teeth again after our bg g died,
Well, we're we're going to just change
the rules, as has started
take them seriously as net when you start talking about maybe expanding the cord to twelve.
I represent a country that has over three hundred and twenty million people now that I'm sure has, as it
is doubled, perhaps tripled in size, since there were only nine justice is put on the supreme court.
And why do I sang it can? Finally, I just want to say this area really quickly, just for four for twitter. I've been saying this for some time
So this isn't it in, and this isn't in reaction to row, I've been saying for some time
makes no sense to only have nine justices with over three hundred and twenty million people out there. You can say
you can check it. I've been saying it for two years: harry
I dont know why, with
twenty five percent of americans having
any confidence in the quarter at all.
Congress and the present should look at this seriously and reform the supreme court.
Yeah and the arguments by republicans. I think you're right are completely cynical. That's not there really, not thinking about the sanctity of the
but even that we're talking about a girl shows how what bad odor the court is. Now in a distant echo, Michael, there been three or
what time do not always conservatives out of step, but when the court
is out of step not just with the american people but with other lawyers and scholarship, we're talking about you know a very small,
stream on the far right that were red.
this job and that trunk put up for their very reason, basically to do this,
on rail from the courts in
kind of position.
there are real, lay bad for the country and the court
and see. The court now is terribly royal. I just want to add to these parade of horrible's, because basically the court said come on in the waters find to any state that wants to do things and remember taxes, taxes,
I said hey, if you help anyone get an abortion and you can be from Michigan or russia, europe
be libelled, there's the real possibility that our states gonna go after people who
we'll go to another state to get their abortion they're gonna say: well, that's against the law to that's the showdown. That's coming and one last point on your christianity point: here's a showdown! That's coming! You states that are going to say: life begins, conception and essentially rolling
the view and in fact it supposed to other religious views like judaism. What's the court gonna do with that? What they basically sat is theirs
I think on the side, women, nothing to weigh down and even care about, it's all up to the states to do what they want
and forgive me for having to say this, but I'm just going to have to keep saying this because I know there is banned indoctrination over the
forty years. That rule
just view that life begins at conception that
in the evangelist church, started in nineteen. Seventy nine now
nineteen eighty
when I was in high school so again the fact that people
I'm up and job do like this is the centrepiece of this christianity jet of their christianity. It actually shows they.
read the bible or if they do read the bible
they don't read the red ladders because they feel like
cause they follow
politicized version of their christianity. They can ignore all the other parts like they get it
about about a kindness about forgiveness, about
grace about asked
for forgiveness. It. It really is its
extraordinary and
lotta people said this day. Would never happen. I talked a lot of people who said this. They were would never happen that road
would never be overturned. They were shocked, but
have to believe what these
Articles are saying
We should have believed it before. We need to believe it now and
telling you now they're coming for you,
contraception.
there. They are there going after griswold they're going
after marriage equality,
They can concurring opinion from
a
justice
a very influential justice who said that
even going after what consenting adults do and the
We see a thereon bedrooms,
That's not fascism! If that's not orwellian maker
I don't know why they were here this is it harry?
men. Thank you very much. Michigan state senator mallory, MC morrow. Thank you as well good to have you on
and still I had on morning Joe we're gonna, have a lot more fall out from the Supreme court's decision on abortion rights, dozens of prosecutors
taking a stand in response
to the rolling. Meanwhile, legal battles are expected to common. Several states will have a complete breakdown for you, we're all
following everything that is coming out of the G7 summit happening
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as russia burns through its arsenal and
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our age, like pictures from the G7 summit taking place in germany right now, president Biden, another g:
I've later as our gallery inside now. They just finish the so called class picture outside
and the G7 summit kicks off as it does in germany. Russian forces are hitting the ukrainian capital of key. They shattered weeks of relics.
com in the city
officials say several russian missiles. Yesterday
to residential buildings and a kindergarten playground killing
in person and injuring for others, a seven year old girl in her mother
Who is a russian citizen or also
in germany they attack and adviser
the ukrainian interior ministries said russian. President Vladimir Putin was wounding his own citizens present by
condemned. The attack calling it
an example of russia's quote barbarism
The russian military will soon exhausted combat capabilities and be forced to bring its offensive in eastern ukraine to grow
ding halt, that's it
to a new western intelligence assessment, which was obtained by
washington post? The paper reports that a senior official says quote? There will come a time when
tiny advances, russia's making because
unsustainable in light of the costs, and they will need a significant pause to
generate capability, the official
also said russia's creeping advantages are dependent almost entirely on the expenditure of vast quantity,
of ammunition, notable
artillery shells which are being fired at a rate
no military in the world would be able to sustain forlorn according
one other senior officials, the minor territorial gains currently being notched by russia.
Are less significant than the overall balance of power on the battlefield
as from Austria, the hosted way to world jonathan le maire. It's quite a backdrop. I would help our lie. They are. I would ever like him at the end of the summit.
To sing edelweiss. Only wonderful,
Well, we get their interesting reporting this weekend from the washington post, quoting not only boris Johnson, but also rush.
Military analyse sang,
they're, just going to run out of missiles they they don't. They can't continue this fighting forever, but the question is
whether the west is going to step up and
continue the flow of arms.
ukraine needs in a way that allow them to push back
a slight russian advances at what are you hearing.
there are a number of topics at the G7 over just be held over the mountains across the border in germany, from where I stand, including global inflation, a new and infrastructure at issue, but certainly the war in ukraine is front of mind. In fact, the world leaders gathered here,
just received a video addressed from ukrainian president's a landscape urging them to continue their support in that mainly means
sending us, weapons knew ass for its part
he's gonna, do so announcing that they will in fact have more long range missiles heading towards
You keith to help out the ukrainian forces and the president is using the moment president Biden to push his peers here to do the same yet interesting one on one meeting with the german chancellor schulz yesterday, in which you really stress the need to be focused on this. In order to continue to supply ukraine with weapons and the money it needs to hold off the russian forces lot of chatter. Here about this assessment about the east and the donbass, the russians have been making progress, but, as noted
It's pretty slow. Its grinding,
Ukraine's that are taking heavy losses and they are fearful that they too
soon be running out of weapons to their origin. The west, these allies to we supply them as soon as possible, so they are well position, take advantage of them if, indeed russia begins to fall short with their own nations, the
As President Biden expressing concern of european concern from his advisers.
germany and france is commitment that their dragging their feet and getting the weapons to the ukrainians. Or do you feel like
those countries are stepping up now there has been
previous frustrations to be clear, though they seemed now be more confident the dose
there's more fulfil their promises
to do so. The french and pray for
a crown and the british prime minister bourse johnson, who says
having the best time. Anyone at this summit the last few days they had a separate meeting yesterday, which they emerged from it saying there. Two countries were united in absolutely continue to help keep with their work,
Hence the germans, as you know, have been slower to do so, which is why by us officials were so keen to get president Biden that audience with the german chancellor. Yesterday there more hopeful the germans will follow through with their commitment to do just that. But there are other
factors, of course, as well: the west, considering in a cap on the price of russian oil, trying to choke off such a a steady stream of of revenue for putin and his war machine, the g seven coming to a tentative agreement to do that, the last
details to need to worked out some clear that thing get china and india to go along,
those two countries to buy a lot of russian energy and
was this all comes here, the backdrop of global inflation, and I fear that some of these western nations will be less inclined to continue to pour money in ukraine in this war last months and months, considering them,
recently dismal economic forces at home
Michael bachelor. She wrote
president some war. I'm I'm I'm curious. How is Joe Biden fairing that we had several phases of this war? Obviously, and we seem to be moving in
the grinding war of attrition? How is the united states president doing
well, I think, amazingly well, in making sure that the american people understand what is at stake and support is an american efforts to support ukraine,
if we were sitting here a year ago, and someone has said to us: russia is going to attack ukraine. What are you
he's gonna happen, I'm sure you and make it would have been what much wiser than a man I wanted. Then I would have said
a very good chance. Russia is going to conquer,
should you crane pretty quickly, plus
lot of americans might just say this is not.
a struggle.
Those were not ukrainian americans may say we don't even know much about ukraine. What by
has done. Is he's been able to make sure that americans now that
is not just you trainers and stay gets its freedom and the whole world, and the
I think he has done is diplomatically. We might have worried about the fact that perhaps
nato might not be united on the side of helping ukraine.
Certainly put before it offers gamble
advised and took the bad advice and thinking you know a lot of divisions and nato all fight with each other. You know they'll break
job. If there's any effort to have unity on you on Ukraine all
I was wrong.
Nato is united and I guarantee you when it historian is looking at this.
two years from now and laughing at what Joe,
I did behind the scenes this didn't just
happened spontaneous
I did so
jobs little mare, we
make your saying well, maybe next time, because it would
cute about anyhow, the hills are alive, but genital amiss
Thank you very much. Junk coming up. Senator Amy closure of minnesota is our
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Cried forty. Eight pass the hour alive. Look at the white house as we continue to cover this major story: pretending to abortion in december of twenty nineteen kate
and flanagan published a piece in the atlantic entitled the dishonesty of the abortion
debate and we're gonna read a lot from it right here. It's incredibly compelling. She writes quote in nine.
in fifty six to american physicians, J presley and w e brown colleagues at university
markets, arkansas school of medicine decided that for recent admissions to their hospital, where significant
enough to warrant a published report.
Lysol induced criminal. Abortion appear
the journal. Obstetrics and gynecology it describes for women
who were admitted to hospital in extreme distress. Oliver
having had criminal
abortions with what the doctors believe
be an unusual agent. Lysol the powerful cleaner had been pump.
into their wombs.
them survived, and one of them die
I've read many accounts of complications and deaths from the years when abortion was illegal in this country. The subject has always compelled me because
other told me that many times that when she was a young nurse at Bellevue hospital in new,
york city. She had twice
sat beside girls ass. They died from botched abortions. Both girls were interviewed by detect it
who demanded to know the abortionists names, but both
refuse to reveal that there were two
by my mother always said abortionists to use the term of that era. Typically extracted
ray promises from women who sought them out, they must keep
procedure, a secret
never reveal the abortionists name and
what happened to them. Afterward. They must
or contact him or her again
Flanagan, also rights. The first time I saw one of the new three d ultra sounds of the fetus in utero. I was, I wasn't entirely sure what I was looking at
anything like the black and white images I was used to seeing it looked otherworldly like we'd finally made contact with the planet we ve always wanted to
each for a long time. These
just made me anxious. They are proof that one
rose within a pregnant woman body is a human being living.
an unfolding according to a timetable that has
listed as long as we have obviously
would take a profound act of violence to remove him or her from his quiet world and destroy him. The argument for abortion,
if made honestly, requires many works. It must
the recent past the dire consequences to a woman of making a very simple medical procedure illegal. They argue
against it? Doesn't even doesn't take even a single word
The argument against it is a picture this
not an argument. Anyone is going to win
the loudest advocates on both sides are terrible representatives for their cause, and here is one truth, no matter,
what the law says. Women will continue to get abortions. How do I know because
The relatively recent past women would allow strangers to brutalized them too
knitting needles and wire hangers into their wombs to thread.
Half an hour, is through their services and fill them with lysol
scalding, hot water or lie women.
And willing to risk death to get an abortion.
When we made abortion legal, we decided we weren't going to let that happen anymore. We were
I'm going to let one more woman arrive at a hospital with her organs rotting inside of her. We accepted that we might
lose that growing baby
but we were also not also going to lose that woman,
mara pay.
and spaces, so searing and so strong, but it brings to light a reality in america
This is not just something that
happens once in a while. This is about reality across the board
come back to us now.
This is the reality that the supreme court doesn't, even
bother to acknowledge wishes. The human reality of the amount of suffering that is going to take place in this country unnecessarily,
because of their actions, we like
pretend that our
friends, don't have consequences and others by they do
and women in this country are not going to simply say
and accept this? They will do whatever they have to do
exercise control over their own bodies and their own lives, and
consequences of that
for too many americans, I fear, are going to be death
and and other women. You know whom may may one
pregnancies later on and be unable to its it's just
absolutely chilling and
I want to say you know there is an element here of this is really not just about abortion. This is about just an attack
on modern america. As we have come to know it.
the ability to
the freedom and the knowledge that we have the freedom as americans, as citizens to x,
has control over our own bodies to decide what we do to Jos point in our own bedrooms, with with another consenting adults and, of course, to take-
control as well, which I think we should absolutely take those
rights seriously.
and my confessional is happening most.
and I'm sorry, Martin Michael bachelor was just just
reading, Caitlin a flat
in space
you really do
you get the imagery of why her mother saw
at Bellevue.
and it really is- is designed
going back fifty sixty years,
a contrary and take away line
from there. The take away from Kalen pieces,
Women are going to continue to have abortions
The question is whether those abortions are going to be safe,
are whether young women
jobs are victims of incest or rate or
in the end up dying,
after their rush to eyes barrel.
Totally right,
We are seeing is a tyranny by a majority.
now being expressed by a majority on the supreme court because of our political system,
and there are basically saying you know,
opinion was there any comfort for someone who disagrees
Majority of americans who are going to district disagree with this ruling,
what's the message was wasn't like George Washington sang power in a democracy has to be exercised with restraint
What that ruling on friday, I says, is we ve got
the power deal with it.
have to deal with
You know my Michael. I just want to follow underlined that really quickly that that point you made, because I will say that is one thing: that friends of mine
pro life
friends of mine, conservative lawyers of mine
and, and others underlined is it wasn't just la holding
taking away a fundamental right over the past fifty years they found
the town to confrontational and anyone who has followed the supreme court, anyone who has read constitutional law knows
that most justices, especially in landmark decisions.
Over backwards to explain how this is not a radical move. This
with this? Is that we are moving forward and we're moving in the direction that this
she's been moving and we understood
their problems, but this is and they'll round off some of the harsh or edges. They will give something to their opponents there there, their legal or ideological opponents. There was none of that there I ve got to say more than anything
I'm gourd decision, I've ever read it it.
was I ever the language? There was a violence to the reasoning we win,
You rose we're taking away these rights and there is not
You can do about it. I please, if somebody disagrees with me, please
Let me now we're a court.
Has overruled
right, that's been in place for fifty years and done so in the end, in such
such an aggressive manner with absolutely no grace
absolutely no outrage today,
legal or ideological opponents Michael. What does
this authoritarian they're trying to say essentially you in america who don't like the fact that now on the supreme court,
basically shut down your throat, something
a majority of you dont, like
This is the new reality and you're gonna have to deal with that. You know make us said at the beginning of the hour she used.
Word fascism. Some people are gonna find out. A strong word
I find it descriptive word because that's
The essence of what we're talking about, which is a small minority. Essentially prided dominate the politics of the country and by the way you look at dress,
God look at other countries where
There is this kind of angry tyranny by the minority. I thank you put it
likely, Joe it oftentimes, leads to civil war. I prayed
That does not happen in our beloved
I can loss mara gay. Thank you both very much for being with us on this very important morning and coming up. We ve got
watch more on the supreme court decision overturning Roby way.
Voting. The legal finds that could come at the state level, illinois governor Genji pritzker as our guest on efforts to strengthen abortion protections in his day that and much more will be right back whether it's the can
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