Six o clock on the east coast as we look live at capital held this morning, the january six committee will bring more evidence to a prime time audience tonight, but we're learning about tonight's testimony and the possibility of some net of war. Seen video plus attorney general merrick garland is pressed about the justice department response to the attacks The capital will show you his response to a question about prosecuting, more president trump it concerns about the next election. Have the senate. Take Rare bipartisan action there is poor, the same progress on a bill to prevent food future coup attempts good morning and welcome to morning Joe, it is thursday July twenty first a big night tonight, along with Joe and me, we have the host of way too early and white house bureau. Chief at politico jonathan la mayor and former chairman of the republican national committee,

coal steel good to have you both? We begin with the new developments surrounding those deleted tests from the secret service from the day before and the day of the january sixth attack on the capital a senior secret service official tells NBC news that employees received at least three emails, including one before the insurrection in acting them to preserve all records on their electronic devices. That's as clear as it gets. The first came in. december of twenty twenty. According to the I had a pre planned data migration would essentially restore all devices to their factory settings. The next came in january, though the exact date is unclear both the Calls reportedly included reminders that federal employees have a responsibility to preserve their records and included in instructions on how to do so, though

Either email mentioned the insurrection. A third, email on February. Fourth, reportedly instructed all employees to preserve communications. Specific Two january sex. By that point, several rational committees had all requested secret service records from that day, but the agent It claims that data migration had already taken place by then and all relevant text messages were raised. for some it. Just absolutely outrageous. Michael still, three warnings, they received three warnings, and yet these ill erased all the messages I mean man this. This was very this. When this was not a mistake, I mean people think Maybe it was a bureaucratic snap of this. This was not a bureaucratic snafu. This was an intentional theirs intentional trashing of his, working documents that needed than that

that needed to be saved for criminal probe, that they knew would be coming. yeah. Now I could agree with you more joe on that point it and the reality of it is. I think we just need to call it what it is, as you just have that this was something that was done deliberately. They the warnings, I mean areas active of the warnings you, a significant law enforcement agency within the federal government. You know damn well what the processes and procedures are with respect to the retention of documents. You know there's a federal document retention act that jeered bet. You are subject to just like every other org no government, so that fact there now imminent han and talking about all well. The process has started and it was under way and no that is nonsense. nonsense. So they ve got a lot to account for here there should be some heads that role that there there is something tat we look

What are you trying to hide here? What what? What should we be? Knowing that, that's related to those documents and now you're telling us all they're gone forever. Well, we'll see calgon they are, but the reality is secret services and is in the middle of this right now the real problem here, Jonathan Almira zombie there so many problems here, but go bash loss. Presidential historian, I thought, really underlined at well ass night because these law enforcement officers that were, a part of that were in the middle of a plan the coup against the united states of america, so they knew that information needed to be tat did in this law enforcement officers, partially around the presence of the united states who try due to to succeed and run a fascist overthrow of animal

reckon election and, by extension, the you, the american government itself. they knew they had a higher responsibility. This is what presidential historian michael bachelor. She said appearance of the requested secret service records. No matter what explanation is a disgrace or country this point he made that I thought Was was a bit frightening? run away and lawless law enforcement and security agencies have at times historically been a feature of impending dictators. Could a tie? Attempts in world history often gone hand in hand with floods, to kidnap, detain, assassinate top leaders who might stand in the way and what was so chilling What are you saying is if you want to pull a coup, You need some, but some are of law enforcement with you and the mere fact I've been, of course, tromp failed

as fascist attempt to overthrow an american action american government by extension, but. But there, members of law enforcement- and you said there yesterday- who actually we're sympathetic. To his courage out, and so I mean I heard that I mean I know you for that quietly a lot of people been talking about concerns inside the secret service, about these people being more loyal, some of them. The donald trump, the united states to the united states constitution to american democracy. Eyebrow stood off. I Every time I see secret service members. I thank them for their service to america. But my god there's a cancer. To borrow a phrase: there's a cancer growing inside this great service and it needs to be ripped out and this shows just Dangerous things have gotten inside the secret service. It lets

start here. Secret service is a law enforcement agency. What is what the top jobs of law enforcement agencies. the preserve evidence period. They didn't do that and there was obviously everything surrounding january fifth and sixth, some of those important days in the history of the secret service. But it's more than that. It's routine matter of course, government please preserve records, it's part of the law and that there is a suggestion here is a violation of federal records, preservation act. That would be a crime. They didn't do that. The timeline is so damning. As let me see reports, they got an email initially in december to preserve records ahead of this phone migration, and that part was scheduled. No one is disputing that they should preserve. They got a warning in December. more in january, and we know that ten days after the january six riots, they heard from inspector general congressional investigators to preserve records and they went ahead In ten days a week or so after that went ahead with

migration that erased all that data. So they had adequate time here to preserve it. They needed to preserve that evidence, which is what it was of donald trump behaviour in whereabouts and actions that day, but also what will happen with the vice president, who was at the capitol mere feet from The rioters work, and certainly there have been whispers option for a long time, a pro trump element of the secret service. To underscore your point, most aid of course, do their job with great professionalism, dangerous hard jobs, and they should be thanked, but there questions raised about some loyalties here and about the conduct of some secret service agents, one unmoved. estonia or an auto became a top advised for the present inside the west wing and stronger amount of frustration from the jerry six committee and law enforcement? their lot force, agencies and democrats on capital and the white house about how this conducted itself. During these those try nowadays, and jonathan lamer? I I I has

because this seem so obvious, but I think it's worth stating january, sex was a very important day? It was a day if you are a member of the secret service you would have to be under rock, to not know what happened on january six and in the days leading up, you might have heard a thing or two about what might happen to get those emails and say: maybe you miss them or how could you mess which a mess, a throng of people, a mob of criminals, storming the capital, one to hang my pen, sudden, kill members of anger, designating the capital breaking windows, leaving vases and always you're, not gonna pay your data, that just seems like person a responsibility on the part of a person's united states secret service. I don't be personal, I don't think it's personal responsibility. I think it's criminality

and that's what unfortunately, one We're saying that the department of justice is going to have to look at because there's criminality happened, that there is a cover up. There is an attempted fascist coup of of of of united states of america of american government of an american election and the sea Service is, is covering up actual fighter in the base area resident tremble plunging if someone's now you're gonna raised your tax David factor that you have effectively been been important, cover up, I mean in it evans parlance. They burned the tapes and whoever whoever did that. Whoever allow that to go forward needs needs to pay, let's bring in them border who broke the story. Nbc news, correspondent, Julia Ancillae, new development brought to us by you juliet, if you could

any more reporting to this or context and an aunt em. I am, I often think if you are a member of the secret service on a date, january. Sixty would think instinctively. I need to preserve. everything and not need to be told yeah. I mean you're absolutely right make. I have to say I am down here. It grandma's so the kids this week when I started talking resources yesterday, I D called grey mine for back up because I knew we were. On the contrary, it was really take everybody by surprise and I started talking to sources, and you have the timeline exactly right. At first sewers of emails sent December ninth telling them we're going to do this data migration. You need to preserve all of your records anything that we think as material extra sending about a starbucks order. You don't

to preserve that. Otherwise, according to the national records act, you need to start preserving this and as a federal, employ you're trained on what is important to keep. They get another email sometime in january and not told the date of that. I have to point that out there get another one february. For that is specific to doing you re sec, saying because we already have these requests and from congress remember the day s idea request, they say didn't come until february twenty sex. They say because of these requests already coming in and obviously those you point out the significance of the day january six, you need to produce, of all records all communications, including text messages, specific, January six now? What untold is that? Perhaps of them had already been lost or deleted by that point, but Look at the overall timeline. It looks like this migration happen from january to April. So let's just look at that: Is it possible that ever text from that day was the very first to be deleted,

it's also hard to get your head around. Of course, you don't know the exact details of exactly what was deleted when, but also have to point out that you know if you're looking at and here it can be tat to put the tea leaves together, but over all this, what we expect the national archives to get to the bottom up, and I think you're going to keep hearing this argument from secret service. I'm just pointing it out because its argument, I'm hearing from sources- and I think we're going to hear from the secret service- is if they think that culturally, they don't text very often that really they do emails, they do radios. They make calls its not common for them to tens and then don't think that there would have been much material and text messages. From that day, of course, we don't until we can see it. Unfortunately, now will never see it, but I just have to say that, because it's something that kept coming on conversations I was having that look.

We hardly ever text. So I'm pointing that out because you'll hear it later, nothing defending at that and make sense busy. But at the same time the fact that there are gone is an is, is practically impossible to conceal embassies, Julia aids lay! I want to thank you and your grand. Yeah you're right hoarding thank grandma. Thank you. Put your money where your mouth is bigger than the clergy nicer appreciated. So Michael steel, we dont text much. yeah now that doesn't work, and one of the reasons it doesn't work is a yes we we had had a wash composed reporter on carol letting, It talks about scandal. After another, just personal scandal said the secret service has had it's always. She said it always seems to me the text messages that would get them in trouble. They would be

talking about other workers in a derogatory way. They would be talking about women who were subordinates in a derogatory way, and she It was always It was always the text messages that got him in trouble. So this whole thing, like, oh hey, you know, come on. We don't text that much it's a it's complete, be ass. Gotta get here his sound up yet we watched, I was going, say the history. The history as as caroline others just pointed out, is right there. We know, we know what that is, and we know how the secret service has performed based on the those type that type of evidence- those texts, for example, but here's the thing that I'm still curious about and I'm curious for you just a few. What you think about the fact that are not of words,

so close brought into the white house as a as a deputy chief of staff and is now still in the secret service is the director of one of one of their divisions. How? How does that work? How do you take someone who's played kind of role inside the administration, and still retain them in some capacity, particularly given the the buys is that were clearly exhibited by this individual and in working with, donald trump, it just just speak to the culture that you are ready

referencing a moment ago. That seems to really drive a lot of what was happening here. So I think, there's a lot more cleaning up and cleaning out to do with respect to matches these tax. But what is the culture inside this institution that they still? They think it's ok to take that individual? Who shows some clear bias in and in his preferences politically and still I think that he works in a in an organization that should be very clear of something like that. Yeah I mean he's, shown clear bias and time and time again, he's been lying. His word according to others, is no good he's lying again through the secret service sang it cats. hutchinson is making things up under the tests money when everybody else around is is is saying: that's not true

So it's it's again. It is it's a real problem with a culture, a real problem politicized culture like that. It's just can't be that way. We have by the way coming up We looking at community the january six hearing about buzzer january six during tonight night. We will be looking at the one hundred and eighty seven minutes that It was under siege by the trump writers and donald trump refused to do anything that too that riot other than rewinding he's television and and encouraged by the most violent aspects of that right. We also going to be talking about steve ban and the prosecution. Then it really break a sweat. Now may put This is a negative. Ok, I think we're done bad and we're gonna check out his fashion statement, family shirts he wore yesterday, I'm curious how medieval he went with the pen placement. Ballpoint pin wait or there's more

we talk about that. Also, if scarborough country would be playing the devil, went down in georgia and have a picture of ruining giuliani who is being forced. Testifying georgia, but we're high are now so

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action thats the focus of tonight's eight hearing from the house January sixth committee investigating the attack on the capital. The hearing will convene at eight p m eastern time and is expected to last around two hours committee chair. Betty thomson will lead the hearing remotely after testing positive for covert on tuesday. The committee will present evidence of what it calls former president trumps dare, section of duty with a minute by minute account of what happened in some the white house between trumps rally at their lips- and tweet telling capital riders go home, the washington post reports, the public, could see outtakes from trumps january, seventh recorded address in which attempted to condemn the rioters. Former aid to chief of staff mark meadows. Cassidy Hutchinson testified to the committee that trunk had to be

vincent to make those remarks and that there were quote several lines that didn't get in there about prosecuting the rioters or calling them violent. She said quote trump didn't want that in there. He wanted to put it in there that he wanted to potentially hard in them the posts as the committee plans to drive home a key point- not only the trump allegedly do nothing to stop the violence. He also sat back and enjoyed watching it to military veterans. Congressmen, Adam kins, anger and congresswoman lane Luria are set to leads tonight questioning and we know of at least two witnesses who will appear live former deputy national security adviser, Matthew, passenger and former deputy whitehouse press secretary. Sarah Matthews both resign their posts in the wake of the capital attack joining now former: u s attorney barbara!

quaid and barbara. We do want to ask you about the secret service situation, but first give us a preview of what expect to see tonight and what you ve seen so far. Doesn't any that lead to something beyond the hearings yes said tonight. I think this three hours of inaction is going to be very important to the case, because, unlike most of us, who have no duty to get involved when there's a crime occurring every citizen's down the present does the commander in chief of our armed forces who duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. His in air and can actually amount to a crime. So if people died, because he was failing to exercise due care, while he was where that violence. occurring at the capital that put as legal liability for him like Mika even beyond. What's going on at the committee at the department of justice, I imagine there looking at things like

piracy to defraud the united states, an obstruction of an official proceeding but could lend evidence to even charges of manslaughter. Federal law. A death even and on intended death that occurs on federal property can be charged as a manslaughter and for someone like a president who has an affirmative, duty to intervene, his failure to call up the national guard words and even go on video or to tweak that they stop could be the case, and of omission that could have two manslaughter yeah. You know Michael steel. I talked to the committee members early on in this process when they were under criticism? and they said be patient were putting things together and I asked a few of them. What's the most compelling part of the evidence that you've This is what we can't go into the details, but the fact that you kevin, mccarthy and other repelled

can calling donald trump screaming They needed help. Telling him to call his riot off call his ma boss and base She talked about that moment where, from said its antigua, mccarthy, yelled back on. You know it's. These are your people and an east where the president and the fact that the president, had been warned by his own political allies of people going to die and he said back and did nothing for One hundred and eighty seven minutes when he could have stopped it with a tweet. We heard the test on four january six hearing last week where they asked. What can you do it when the carefully I, when the capital, I thought the election was stolen? When did you leave me said when when president trump told us to leave, we all we left the building, well could have stopped. All of this, it's all in the record and

Do you think our damning is going to be denied one hundred and eighty seven minutes where he just sat back and revelled in the violence in his name. I think is going to be absolutely damning, and particularly, if you couple it with the video evidence that they accumulated from january seventh, trying to get the president to speak to what had happened on the sixth and now being able to do that. Not wanting to do that think it really sends out a very clear message about the I think everyone keeps claiming they. They know it's hard to get evidence of, and that is men's. Read the president's mindset when it into what happened, leading two janeway six on the day of january six and after january sakes, I don't know much more. You need to stan exam. With dial up some thought about the events of that day. He,

enjoyed it. He relative tv wind, the tape to see over again lives so heeds, is watching it love and then push that rewind, but now watch that part over again. So you, you have a very clear example of here the president's mind was: I dont know how the justice department also looks at that. I know how the american people are looking at it. It's it's revealing its well the only revealing itself and the interests that they have in this committee. Spinning a central part of how the story has been told Joe to make that point: very clearly, I guess the whole thing, oh, my god he's a former president. We ve never done this before. What do we do? What you do, what you do to any american who commits a crime and you evidence sufficient evidence of back crime. It does it matter the position. Could you keep telling us? No one is above the law who consistently give us

an indication that maybe some people are, and that would be a real bob once all this evidence is in point to an end and michael stale. I you know, I think, there's more dangers at this point. If someone clearly attempts to damn our democracy, and that is putting it likely, there's more danger in in not having accountability at the very toss. The person who allegedly said my pants deserved it, so it's not just sitting back and enjoying, but also confirming ray. Forcing that the violence is deserve. Here's is the attorney general to your point, Michael stale, merrick, garland and a noose conference yesterday when asked about the justice to power. And perceived inaction when it comes to the january sixth investigation.

There is a lot of speculation about what the justice department is due, we were not doing what our theories are. Are theories aren't, and there will continue to be that speculation that, because a central tenant of the way in which the justice department investigates a central tenant of the rule of law, is that we do not do our investigations in public. This is the most wide ranging investigation and the most important investigation. The justice department has ever entered, and we have done so because this represent this effort to up end a legitimate election, transferring power from one administration to another cuts at the fundamental of american democracy. We have to get this right and for people who are concerned, as I think, every american should be about protecting democracy. We have to do two things. We have to hold comfortable every person who is criminally responsible for trying to overturn a legitimate election, and we must do it in a way filled, integrity and professionalism. The way the justice department conducts investigations both of these are necessary in order to achieve justice and protect our democracy.

no one person is above the nothing stops the dunno, how to say that again, no person is above the law in this country. I can't say any more clearly that there is nothing in the principles of prostitution in any other factors which prevent us from investigating anyone, anyone who's criminally responsible for for an attempt to undo a democratic election. That was about a straightforward, as you could be. No person is above the law and I must say yesterday I was I was quite critical attorney general and even Before I saw this tape, I read article in law, fair by been witness, and by the end of that I felt badly about about jack screaming from a cheap seats about what it meant, what an attorney general was doing in,

federal investigation, here's the thing wallet spent frustrating- and I understand it's been very frustrating for all of us prosecutors, that with a smaller and pay. Security is cuter worked in the manhattan DA's office, say Donald Help is guilty of a crime, they waves it off in they. They said they believed he was guilty, but they didn't do anything but Ben wet. Yesterday, was right that people like me should not criticise the attorney general prematurely. Federal investigations are long, laborious efforts and when the gravity of the small prosecution of a former president, the proof tina, pros at the deo J, f b. I need to move with great caution. I agree with him. Even worse, pursuing justice. So We remain a nation of laws even

donald trump time in time and time again, try politicized department of justice is something His opponents should not do, and I will say it's very easy for me. It's very easy for Commentators is very easy for democratic. politicians, it's very easy. For people on twitter to criticise garland federal prosecutors, but again Jonathan Amir, I'm sure bar workin underlined this sometimes federal investigations, take a very very long time. You had the democratic candidate for governor Jonathan. and the state of Florida who almost be rhonda satis just recently charged in the federal investigation? I think that took fine. I don't know for five or six years for that investigation to run it's course, there are other investigations of politicians, and people are saying well what's going on in that investigation. Why is it taking so long fed

investigations are long, laborious, words. They want to make sure they everything right so mean it would be especially disturbing if merit garland. we're moving too likely on something is wrong. Little as a possible indictment of a former president and your points well taken, but certainly it is true that there has been a lot of frustration from democratic lawmakers and many the I was inside the west wing about the pace of this pro, but Barbara mcquade Joe just hit it the sometimes the wheels of justice move slowly for Complicating matters is not just a donald trump as a former president. He could be in a matter of weeks at an outcome for president again, which of course plays into it as well. But give us a sense here is what you perceive the department of justice. Is joy at how what we heard from the january six committee so far, culminating at least for now in the eu,

tonight have aged showed the evidence necessary for of justice and do with due diligence to bring charges. well, it certainly. The committee has done an excellent job of showing very compelling narrative about what happened on January sakes and up up and in leading to that, but the justice department Is very different, I think Garland doesn't want to just charge donald trump. He wants to convict him and have it fiction sustained on appeal, committee has shown- is one side of the story without they cross. Examination of witnesses the justice department needs of guilt beyond reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury which will include some people who are sympathetic to Donald and so to prove that they have to do more than what we are seeing before the committee, they have to put every in the grand jury they have to refer. all of the text messages and they have and tools that are available to them that are unavailable to the committee. Things like search warrant to get

of these phones and encrypted chats that maybe the committee has not had access to the ability to flip defendants, which they are now doing? for members of the oath keepers who had contact with your stone and exploded their follows: they ve got the phones of enrique terrio of the proud boys instead rose of the old keepers. Looking at those the can them into those conversations in the fridge of stone group chat things that the committee doesn't have, and so it's just it is Let it go slowly it that there's more to do. I imagine that, as mere garland is sitting there listening to these very uninformed reporters speculating as to what theories the justice department is and isn't pursuing he imagine needing a luther, the anger translator. Remember him from key and Peele saying I'll tell you what I'd like to do with a husband spoke conspiracy, but instead he patiently answers the question and repeats that they're looking

into any one who had anything to do with of ending the p The transition of presidential power no one is above the law. Even one asked even a president yeah, no one, I don't ought to say this any more clearly no run they're on it it was a very strong statement yesterday. Thank you so much from being weathers. Former yours attorney, Yarborough mc wait. Grey we appreciated and an enemy it was, it was very strong. It was to the point. The things that I've heard not just from from democratic politicians, but I've heard from some rope weekends, some independent, some former republicans over there, here too there sit out donald trump, will never Nobody yup he'll never be conveyed if anything he gets away he's the guy that gets away with everything for anybody that saw ellie. Confidential, he is rollo tomorrow he is the guy that gets away with it even

People around tromp have laughed through the years that gets away with everything, and so, when you have the investigation of the mulder report and you have ten the examples of where pray secures could bring obstruction of justice charges. When you have mahler dividing in in fact that charges would have probably been brought against donald where he not present the united states but again He gets away with it when you which, by the way, I say, whether there's a republican and there are a democratic there. It's equally this, this guidance from the justice department from the nineteen seventies president should be able to be indicted, whether there looking for democrats. If they break the law, they should be able. To be indicted by the justice department? It's that simple but you have that and then you have men, Andy ay. You have prosecutors device that being the case, I still can't

do they here? why this investigation was killed and the prosecutors who were ready to move forward suddenly are cut at the knees and told you know what not going to pursue the investigation of donald trump anymore, really prosecutors telling everybody he's guilty of crimes, they're, not letting us go after a former president. Who is clearly guilty of crimes so again frustration is built up. Today, though, merit garland spoke to some of those frustration. I Barbara put it passed when she said you know he's on it. For it is, I would say, two things, though, just random keep your eye on film fulton county. My instincts tell me that that they'll be a story out of georgia. That'll be fastened it to watch, but it's a complicated time when you're dealing with the former press

and for a number of reasons, and it only gets more complicated as we had toward the mid terms, because those who are still very misled by this former president will claim and and follow his claims of a witch hunt which will no doubt happen if we get closer, the mid term and merit garlands job is to not listen to any of the noise out there and to focus on justice, which is often a slow role so stay tuned. Well, you know meagre the thing is we were critical time and time again of donald trump and bore for politicizing the justice department. and so we were critical eyes republican rate politicizing to just apartment and leaning in, we certainly do. What Joe Biden we dont want endemic rats or others trying to put pressure on the d o J and any investigations they may have of Republican.

The amendments are democrats because, again you ve heard me say it time and again we are a rule of law. What we are a nation of laws that governed by rule of law and what separates us from. Their country's constitutionally I've seen through the years. I believe it to be Legislative are the the judiciary branch and I think federal courts just that during during all the alarming challenges, you're saying swamp, appointed judge. Do it again the steed ban in case you start cutting steed ban in any slack because he was applied, into the bench by donald trump domino Events might by donald trump so again we're nation of laws that something we should celebrate it something we should remember to weather.

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there is some new movement on reforming the electoral count to act after months of negotiating a bipartisan group of senators announced to proposals yesterday to close the gaps in federal law and prevent future candidates from stealing elections. Specifically the bill. Seeks to close loopholes in election law, that former president trump and his allies try to exploit to keep him in power, despite the fact that he lost the twenty twond election. The first bill would clara The vice president's role and counting electoral college votes raise the bar for members of congress to object and try to prevent fake slates electoral from interfering in the process. This Bill is aimed at protecting election workers joining us now.

Product senator amy closure of minnesota she's, a member of the judiciary committee and chair of the rules committee and senator closure. You guys expect to hold a hearing on these proposals soon. Tell us that was going in terms of republicans and democrats working together on this, and what does that tell us

one that came out of january six, understood that we had to get to the bottom of what happened. That's what the january six committee is doing right now, including tonight we had to fix a security at the capitol something centre. Blunt and I took very seriously. We have new police chiefs news sergeant at arms. You name it, but the third piece of it was not allowing a procedure that was set in eighteen. Eighty, seven, you gotta think Rutherford Hayes we're not going to go there antiquated law and updating it. Literally one person can object from each chamber. I don't think they knew TED cruz back then in eighteen, eighty seven one person can object and then you can throw the whole thing for each state that can object to, and so what the group has done here and they were going to The hearing on august third centre blind to myself here this legislation and take testimony from witnesses, is to suggest some changes to this

and how many people have to objective and make sure you clarify the role of the vice president. You name it because I was the one with the centre blood three thirty in the morning walking through the broken glass with the two young women with the mahogany box. So I know very well that this procedure has to be changed. And you're a senator it's it's. It's is great news and am glad that. weakens and democrats are working together on it and one of the things I like so much about the about the bill, is that it require, I guess, a fifth of of members in each chamber to raise an objection and start the process, because in the past, stir, of course, january six. Twenty twenty one is stand alone, night, there's no moral equivalency here said it's every four years, there'll be a Democrat objecting when a Republican wins a reply,

We can objecting what a democrat lands and it's really It'S- it's disgraceful, it's nice, and even even when its peaceful and it's it's brushed aside. I love that you all raising the level for those objections. yes, so synergy. In durban and I had one bill. We gave it to this committee. Susan collins and others in the committee have taken this and really got an agreement between a bipartisan agreement. Now I know everyone's gonna want to look at it. It's going to take a few days. As I said, this is a big deal to change this, but we have to do something. You can't allow each state statutes you're right about the one person objecting they can literally do it to each stage, so they could oh and each time they do it takes like three to four hours we had anticipated without the insurrection. It was going to take at least twenty four hours through the night to go through this, and then you have the other piece of it. The vehicle

actors, slaves, something has to be done so that never happens again, and we just have to make sure that the voices of the american people are heard and they can duly elect their president. This procedure must be reformed yeah. You know Michael steel magazines, next question. What mike I just want to say: if this is brought in for a landing- and it looks like it's going to Bobby we talk about division and washington all the time, but their obvious, as you know, there are a lot of bipartisan, builds a pass every day that nobody pays attention to, but I mean This would be the third really significant piece of by partisan legislation. Are you corset a mass of transportation bill that that ass with bipartisan vote, you the gun bill, which again you didn't go far enough, but it was the first safe gone safety legislation and the generation that past both chambers and was signed in the law and now something that you have.

the new york times in the wall street journal attitude. Your pages free for a couple of years have been saying It needs to be reformed. This electoral counteract this is basically an insurance policy against the next january, the sex that would be three by partisan achievements. The house in the senate- and I good on them, yeah. I would to an end- and this I think- of of those by partisan achievements- is probably one of the most fundamentally important, because if this process doesn't work, then the tools, it matter whether you have a bipartisan infrastructure bill, because you sitting there in the courts in the kind of trying to figure out what the president is so an end. To that point, senator It is very good and very important to know that a Senate minority leader Mitch Mcconnell is on board these clearly working to to get this pass d.

Do you have the sense that this this legislation will go through a lie. You d already reference people go, take a look at. It will go through a lot of mark up and changes or end You think that members have gotten to that sweet spot to when you get to that final push: How much are you really counting republicans to deliver more than just five votes, nine votes, ten votes, to get it through while, if they would deliver more votes because has been pointed out? This has been a brewing problem for years. I also think that you have to allow all members to look at these belts, because this is complex. As I said, one of the reasons we're having the hearing, we're going to agree on witnesses is to explain this proposal as well as what the problem is, and I wanted to add one more by partisan bill that is coming our way Joe, and that is the computer chip bell.

the semi can area bill. That's really important for our competitiveness. We ve been working on it now for weeks with centres, humor and young, and can't well over here in the senate. Many others in the house side watch for that as well. So, through all of this- and we know that's been trying time, there continues to be good work in passing bills and sending them to president brightens just that would be critical and what about? And what about the china competitive bill that that seem to be going in the right direction. I know that we ve had senator young on several times from Indiana to talk about he's, been working with chuck shimmer, Is that going to pass, or that is to say, basically held up, it's basically being divided up now. The computer chips assigns piece of it is what's moving ahead, but the conference committees gonna continue on the other pieces, and I am hopeful. I know many republicans and democrats want to get that through that that

go through as well. So I care a lot about some of those pieces, including our favorite subject of anti trust, there's funding in there. So anyway, we must move forward and I do think I'm looking forward to watching the hearing tonight. You know the one hundred and eighty seven minutes of what he didn't do your viewers should be aware. You know key takes a special oath man. The present takes an oath, not just to protect the constitution, but to faithfully exit. The laws of the united states, so what He doing that in those one hundred and eighty seven minutes when he was watching tv refusing to call when the mayor's calling him its own party members are calling him his family is asking him his own staff is asking him to do it and, as we found out in our security hearing over in the senate, that blunt and portman and peters- and I did, the national guard is sitting there on a bus. They are

I all all of this is going on. People have already died and they finally get to the capital at about five twenty hours and hours and hours after the insurrection have started it's hard to believe a president couldn't have changed that ride senator Amy clover shower. Thank you very much and never stop doing good to see you with the complexities of climate change, the challenges of racial injustice or the threat to american democracy get your daily dose of enlightening articles at MSNBC, daily written perspectives by people. You know and trust like mehdi Hassan Joyce, vance and doctor evita patel, along with a growing list of experts offering their insights plus fresh, takes from Hayes brown and zeeshan ali start your day with MSNBC daily at msnbc dot com