A beautiful shot of lady liberty on this independence day morning good morning and welcome to more in Joe is Monday July. Fourth, on jobs, le maire, thanks for today the january six hearings wrought heinous until later this month, but the committee not letting up as members fan out across the sunday morning. Political shows this hard We get there the possibility of criminal referrals of donald trump to the justice department and what to expect from the that is presented at future hearings and from the sky high gas prices to cancel the delayed flights. A look at the chaos holiday travelers across the country. We've got the news to get to this morning, but we will start with the january sex investigation and the possible the former president trump could be referred to the justice department for criminal prosecution here,

interview with vice chair of the committee. Congresswoman, miss jane. So we did that the committee will or will not make a criminal referral, so make a decision. As a committee about it ass. Well, there will be a criminal reform. We would be a fact. the committee saying that he should be, Skater in this is that we are the justice from. It doesn't have to wait for the committee to make criminal Earl could be more than one criminal referral. I have greater concern about what it would mean if people held accountable for what's happened here. I think it's a grave or constitutional threat, if oppressed can engage in these kinds of activities and You know the majority of the president's party looks away, Or we as a country decide, you know, we're Actually, gonna take our constitutional obligation seriously. I think that's a much more serious threat.

and we see news has confirmed that at least one of the messages about possible witness intimidation presented last week's hearing which your son by former. Why house aide castle watch and said, take a look. Is a call received by one of our witnesses, quote listen, let me know you have your deposition tomorrow It's me to let you know he's thinking about you He knows you're loyal, We going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition course familiar with hutchinson deposition says the individual reference as a person in there. Message is indeed former chief of staff mark meadows. The committee too, and a comment, a spokesperson meadows released a statement claiming quote no one from meadows, camp himself or otherwise has ever attended, intimidate or shape hutchinson's, testimony to the committee

shared cheney and several other members of the house select committee are weighing in on what will be presented during some upcoming hearings. Take a look. Do you have any evidence, other than cassie Hutchinson, testimony to corroborate what she said happened in that presidential motorcade the committee has significant evidence about. A whole range of issues, including the president's, intense anger, and I think anger at not being allowed to go to the cap and guess exactly at that moment and so but but let me just leave it there. I think you will continue to see in the coming days and weeks additional detail about the president's activities and behaviour on that day, to get too far ahead of what we intend to present in our next hearings. But our verdicts hearing will be focused on. first to assemble that mob on them all who was participating. Who was financing it to how it was organized, including the port?

separation of these white nationalist groups like the proud boys, the three percent errors and others. This happens every day every day we get new people that come forward and say hey, I didn't think maybe this piece of a story that I knew was important, but now that you guys are too like I do see this place in here. Will we hear from witnesses that did not know about with stories. You did not hear because of the head so far. Yes, yes, there will be. there is, there will be way more information and a statement It also now seems more likely that former whitehouse council passed, the bologna will also appear before the january six Kennedy core into a lawyer. Familiar with the matter. Sit bologna will probably agree to a transcribed interview that is limited two specific topics to avoid any privilege: issues still baloney become a key figure in the investigation? After former white house, they had cast hutchison painted him

a critical figure in the final days of the trunk white house during explosive testimony, He clearly has information about concerns about criminal violations that concerns about the present going to the capital at day or concerns about the chief of staff having blood on his hands if they didn't do more to stop. The violent attack on the capital hard to imagine someone more at the centre of things. We'll have far more on the january six committee later in the show, but let's now shift to hot air travel chaos. There's no relief inside as millions of americans are travelling to celebrate the fourth of July flight delays he's cancellations and even some computer glitches are showing the math slowing the masses down in a major way. and for those who hit the road gas price This went up again in some states. Thanks to attacks hike, seniors corresponded. George correspondent has more

before the fireworks even begin many americans already blowing up in frustration, never come to an airport before wondering whether my flights will take off or not so it's a little nerve wracking. The last minute scramble to get home for the fourth of July is on tsn screened more than four point: six million since friday across the nations airports. Those planning ahead still earned my ongoing delays and cancellations or white book to take two flights and one of them to cast. Since friday, more than fourteen hundred flights have been cancelled and more than fifteen thousand have been delayed, what's happening, carnations airports it's it's a mess right now, there's no other way of saying it. I've never seen anything like this. Not in not in all these years, travel experts say it's a perfect storm or supply. Isn't meeting demand calling on airlines to be more transparent about their staffing. They have to get in front of this. They have to be honest about it

airlines experienced a schedule, english friday night, that allowed aircrew to drop flights leading up to twelve thousand, lights without pilots through July the area. in a statement said the issue has been fixed. Adding they do anticipate any operational impact. This is not about this incident this weekend. You know this is a much bigger. As you know, I hate to be negative, but it's it's not going to fix itself next week. Drivers facing other challenges that the gas prices are insane: the national average now around four dollars and eighty one cents, a gallon, still a compared to california or gas hovers around six bucks and prices are projected that creep even higher the golden state, alongside six other states, all impose new gas taxes starting friday, none the less Some drivers still happily shelling out the green to see some red white and boom worth every penny right. with family of a fourth of july, weaker.

Joining us now from newark international airport is nb. Cs was esa good years and from bethany beach, delaware, NBC scary, groom box good morning to you both thanks for being here isa. I had to do some flying in recent days. Airports, packs and analysts. predicted that area have a would return to prepare them levels this weekend is that what's happening, absolutely aaa had predicted about three and a half million people travelling by air. This weekend, you just heard george say over four point: six mill People since right, I just yesterday alone to over two million people that number we have it hit since february, eleventh two thousand and twenty before the pandemic. They had also predicted forty two million people hitting the roads. Of course, we still have the whole day ahead, but already were

passing those predictions and the as you can see behind me. This is not letting up anytime soon. You know cancellations, flight delays over seventeen thousand delays since friday alone. At this point to travel, a really frustrated and by the way, the cost of travelling this weekend, as well astonishingly high, not only the flights but the gas prices as well. These road trips costing families a lot. This year It's warm throughout much the country people want to go to the beach is, but, as just mentioned, prices are how are you seeing the impact I prices there in bethany, beach and how's that impacting revellers and their holiday weaken plants

Jonathan yeah folks here in bethany beach and the beaches around the country are going to be spending the day enjoying their fourth of july, but they're going to be paying a lot more to do it everything from getting there to staying there even eating. There is more expensive this year than it was last year. Gas prices. I don't need to tell you they are high there for eighty one, a gallon on average across the nation right now and food prices are really high as well up. Seventeen percent occur compared. Last year, according to the farm bureau. I have a graphic here. Curiously, her ground beef is up thirty, six percent pork chops or up thirty one percent even of lemonade will cost you a few cents more than it did you're. So why is this happening? What we said that we can hear and bethany too in the farmers and growers and consumers about their thoughts on all of this. Of course, it all starts with the farmers, that's where the fertilizer has to get to, so these crops can grow and foxo, and the farmers right now aren't getting

fertilizer from ukraine because of the war there that costs of the height fertilizer then gets passed along to the consumer, and consumers are worry about it either. His was some folks. I talk to this weekend had to set about three, both the other day and they were a dollar if they were honey chris, but now I was surprised labour eight dollars. You bite the yeah I you know about myself, and so I I want. I want to have what I with everything going on in the world and stuff like that, I just accepted I'm not going to complain about it. Yet you wanna get it. We ve cut back on a lot of things, and we were here now but the way of a place here, but we were eating in right as we go out. This system is so expensive, but the Will it for bargains, and that's that's what you do when you cut back and forth sound thickly seen the end of any there. I think it's just gonna keep go in and I think that demands there they now too, when we go to the store and get things, people tend to be involved more too

scary. Obviously, a lot of this is being blamed on administration, even though some of this, of course, is out of their control Biden team. Try it they cannot lower costs. The folks here, Here too, there are the feeling that impact who are they blaming who they holding responsible for in costing that much more right now what as a number of blames that were made here this week, and most of it goes to the binding ministration oda. We, of course president Biden has said this will take quote as long as it takes and that's how long these costs will say hi before ukraine vince this war in russia or with the ukraine. Of course, that's what the button mistress monster. and the folks here on the ground. They won't be able to buy their tomatoes by their corn by their ground beef, and I have to pay prices for it. Jonathan So you see you mention the chaos behind you. Lot of large crowds already at six, a m on the holiday itself to anticipate today being potentially another messy one at the airports,

can a spill over into tomorrow as well definite I mean just in the last couple of hours since being here. This is already gotten a lot busier. I came from downstairs at arrivals where there was a very long line at the bag office. You know people who lost their bags and all of this travel chaos, and these delays in these cancellations are due to a variety of factors. We have whether issues we have short staffing, of course, with these delays in planes grounded plain staffs having to switch outright there only able to work for so long passengers having to wait for staff to come in and now and then there is also the overbooking issue. There were even reports this weekend of one dealt a flight offering passengers, ten thousand dollars in cash to rebuild their flight. So airlines you're, really just trying to do whatever they can t get people off the ground to get people to reschedule to other flights, but

Passengers really frustrated here this weekend and were certainly expecting to nazi that let up in the next day day and a half the impact, of course, of covert cases surging across the country, causing crews to go out. Second, cancelling flights, and certainly none of this unique, too Europe also battling high inflation and chaos at the airports mrs equally areas and gary groom back. Thank you both so much for being with us today. We had this morning. Russia claims to have taken control in a key city and ukraine. Eastern region, we're getting it alive report from that war, torn countries plus prose it's a wrap in akron ohio after authorities really body camera footage of a disturbing officer involve shooting, we'll be joined the attorney representing the family of jail and walker and, binding nets. The democrats lack the votes to change the filibuster dakota abortion rights will have, new comments on that and what Democrat

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back to morning Joe and joining us now white house reporter for politico co, author playbook and morning Joe senior contributor, a man of many hats, eugene dans eugene happy. Fourth to you last block, we ran through some of the big weekend. Developments surrounding the January sixth committee, perhaps none bigger than the. I idea that pets, the baloney former white house, What a donald trump may now be step closer to appearing before the panel and the parson Only that president trump couldn't for to the justice department for criminal in prosecution. What's the letters you are hearing from your source on the hill and inside the white house as to how they think all this is going down I mean, first and foremost, you know people have the wanting to hear from patsy baloney. The beginning. This is a man whose name popped up a lot. For folks, don't that don't know the white house counsel is constantly in meetings with the press,

of the united states and others constantly at the forefront of all of these conversations in issues and as we heard last week with Cassidy hutchinson talking about how it's a bologna was trying to mark meadows, the chief of staff, for example, to go with him to talk to president trunk to get him to stop the folks from riding in the com in the capital, so he is someone that they definitely want to talk to, and when you talk to folks in the white house, either about patsy bologna or about the ability of donald trump bore the deal j doing there or fall for four donald trump. That is I think that one they don't really want to talk about, because they know that they don't want to be seen as I'm from the white house, I'm leaning on the deal j in any real way, but also there. Yes, they watching that. That is something that has been frustrating for that of folks aloud.

requests watching is all of this evidence is presented to the january six committee of this testimony and people wondering what's going to happen legally, because as we know, this committee doesn't actually have the power or to put any one in job doesn't have the power to take any one. To put To do anything legally to these folks will this is about what the deal J is going to do it? I would caution, folks, who think that something is going to happen pretty quickly, because this is is a deal, J undermine garland, who has been trying to work really hard to get. The pilot out of there and if you come for a president of the united states. You have to have everything air title it's going to be a case if that is ever something bad mere garland actually does that he is going to be sure. As it is, is a home run that at any cost, does seem, at times these to be hearings, have also in playing to an audience of one to merit garland to the of justice, trying to push towards the direction of charging for president to this point. They of course, have been quite relax.

To do that, and as part of that there is some chat or that the former president may announced his next presidential campaign as an effort to ward off some of this talk of profit sure but eugene. Let's talk now about the current occupant, of the oval office. It seems a bit moment of simone of reset for president Biden. I was on his trip to europe. last week undeniable successes, particularly in nato, but he was celebrate on the world stage by his fellow leaders there at the G7 in germany and then at the gathering of that alliance in Madrid, spain. And he returns to the white house today, chuzzlewit about just simply how he's gonna mark the July fourth holiday, but also. how the white house hopes to shape the weak ahead. Your router, talking on Saturday Jonathan about how his trip did it really breakthrough in america right that it something all of these successes that he's had on the world stage, aren't really cracking through here.

at home? So today the president, the first lady, are going to have a barbecue life with barbecue its tradition. At the white house. I've been talking to aides who are getting excited, bringing their parents and grandparents to the white house to see some fireworks and he's going to give a speech it's interesting to look at this july. Fourth, compared to last July fourth, and where the country is last july, fourth and moving into delay for the prisoner was based almost completely focused on coal, with nineteen. It was the focus of the administration a year later. There is this: long long, laundry list of issues from including ukraine, but also gas prices, also higher prices. Overall, I'm too He went lemonade bingo little bit higher for folks today, then also? What happened at the supreme court Just last week, when two weeks ago, with the overturning of roby, weighed and so

what pressure being put on this white house to do something on frankly issues where there's not a lot of power from that can do, and so people want to see more executive action on abortion, People want to see what he's going to do to bring down gas prices. What are the things he can do to fix some of the travel issues and the nightmares that people have that are going on right now, but there's not a lot. This white house can do that has not stop the pressure that does not keep people from telling this president telling this administration telling us that they want to see more movement faster. What I hear from dogs. Is this not just that they want to see actual action. They want to see bills. That kind of thing they were hear more from the president about how he fighting with x Y and see right where the he's in there

beef on twitter, with jack base else about gas prices and whether he's tweeting to gas, company gas and oil companies telling them to make sure that their prices go down all of those things they want. People want to see more than your right to bring up July. Fourth, a moment when the president had passed. If numbers and also there, the nation was gonna, have its declaration of independence from the krona virus. That, of course, is not the case. The delta variant showed up just weeks later, his polar numbers have yet to recover political eugene jail stakes, restarting the holiday with, as my friend will talk to you soon, let's turn out the ongoing war in ukraine after we intense fighting the last ukrainian stronghold in the eastern hans region has fallen to the russian signalling at last, significant victory for moscow UK officials say their forces yesterday withdrew from lisha scams. As they were, waging a stiff but lose battle present

the autumn of the lansky says. The decision to pull out was made if the lives of their soldiers from the relentless relation assault in that city, He also bowed that ukrainian forces would regroup and return to try to fight back in those city streets, literature was a key target for the kremlin in its bid to control the entire don boss region. Its fall now gives the kremlin a stronger base from which to advance on the neighbouring dns region. Meanwhile, there are some attacks reported inside russia. Yesterday rush officials say three ukrainian missiles hit the city. belgium, rod near Ukraine's border killing for people and injuring four others governor, says the casualties included? Three ukrainians, who were refugees from car, keep He also said the blast damaged eleven residential buildings and thirty nine private houses.

there is no immediate comment from Keith, but an adviser to Ukraine's interior ministry accused russia of care. the attack itself in blue Ukraine is part of a propaganda campaign es, as ukrainian forces did hear the military base in the russian occupied I'd southern city of military law yesterday. when a telegram message, the mayor of that city, said there were thirty strikes on a single base. Joyous now, live from chivas NBC news corresponded Alice Barbara ellison good morning should be with us We see the eyes the world for a long time now have been focused on the don boss, that region and eastern ukraine. Russia now play its control to the HANS region. What's next there,

Yet so really you had this. This situation were separated. That's three sister city, though, is the shocks fell about a week and a half ago. An initially sort of the thought was that, in order for russian forces to be able to take lisi, shine say we're. Gonna first have to capture seventeen that's entirely, and then if their way across the river to get into the sister city, they had actually started to launch an attack on lazy shots from the south wall. They still fighting in severed and that seventy nets has been described as one of the bloodiest battles since russia launched its full scale invasion of this country. Yesterday morning you had russian forces claiming that they had taken full control of lucy shocks, the only city that remained between them and full control of the low HANS region. Member. If you look back a few months ago in may, that is when russian forces claimed that they and russian backed separatist controlled about ninety percent of the blue hans region. But you had these two cities: separated nets and lazy shocks ukrainian forces. Putting up a really strong

there and you had this really bloody battle with heavy street fighting ensue. Now the question in terms of what happens next as its very clear that russian forces want to move further and ramp up attacks in the nuts ii region. Remember when russia, forces failed their initial goals of taking some of the largest cities in ukraine, tv and hearty they shifted their attention to the dawn boss region. President Putin has made this claim that he needs to take back? This area liberate these areas. He says of predominantly russian speaking people, because he claimed without offering any shred about that ukrainian officials and others are carrying out a cordon of genocide against russian speakers in that region, again, absolutely no evidence for that. Ukrainian officials have consistently said that this is kind of a shift of where Putin didn't achieve

we hope to achieve at the beginning of this full scale invasion. So in an effort to sort of consolidate resources shifted to focusing on the dawn, boss region. The questions military analyse has been, whether or not if he were able to take the lou hans and done that's provinces. If he could claim victory for what he has described as a special operation and in short, go home, but you talk to ukrainian officials, you listen to people like president's olenska and they will tell you that they feel that putin has at this and many of his speeches of late, that this was never really about, couldn't go. Liberating russian speakers are trying to help anyone of the dawn boss area that this was imperialistic land grab of Putin, trying to go back to the russian empire and just grab as much land and as much territory as he can. Presidents Olenska has set consistently that ukrainian forces plan to fight to take back control of any territory that Russian occupies right now. He says again with these shocks that he will do that, and he also said that they will be able to do it. With

some of the artillery that they have gotten from western allies. You talk to soldiers who have gone back and forth between the frontline Jonathan. They will tell you that this is an artillery fight. Jonathan is real topic of conversation of those european summits. Last week's olenska name. He believes ukrainians can matter counterattack to take back these territories. Even by end of the year western allies, less certain will certainly be following this, weeks and months ahead and mrs ellison barbara. Thank you so much for joining us today come up here a morning, Joe Democrats, aren't you the courts to fight back against abortion. Bans will explain in what the washington post cause, I quote patchwork of countermeasures plus new report The department of justice was caught off guard the testimony of former. Why house a chastity hutchinson at last week's explosive january six hearing are panel ways in on critics who say Eternal general needs to get a lot more aggressive on this case. Weren't you

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it's all about the issues this country faces and how what's happening in washington impacts. All of us. You could watch meet the press now. Every weekday at four pm eastern streams free on NBC news now and it's available on all streaming platforms in the ass As for the supreme court's reversal of roby way, democrats across the country are trying to do different efforts to keep the issue in the minds of voters the ruling over turn decades a precedent, despite a majority of americans supporting abortion access, but democrat response supreme court varies widely depending we look the washington post reports on this capitol hill house democratic Here's are discussing ways to force republicans into uncomfortable positions on abortion, plotting tension, votes designed to expose geo pr opposition to some popular protections and underscore their own commitment to that. That's according to age, with knowledge of the Democrats, plans

at the white house. President Biden first encouraged outraged, americans to express themselves the ballot box and then days later and in response to some criticism shifted to a more aggressive posture, urgent action. In the Senate filibuster to enable democrats to code. abortion rightly said that last wednesday, conference in madrid and then across to come. in liberal governors on the west coast, banded, together to create a to state haven aimed at protecting out of state abortion seekers from legal consequences. While tv adds about abortion aimed at helping democratic candidates are hitting the airwaves in battleground states for new Hampshire to florida, then there's this a ten year old ray Victim was denied in abortion in ohio due to the states ban. After overturn of roe v wade. The girl, was a little over six weeks pregnant when the ban took effect, and now she must adult indiana to receive the procedure.

I was abortion ban, took effect last week, and in vienna law makers are poised to further restrict outright or outright ban the procedure in the weeks ahead. Right now abortion providers, like those indiana, are seeking an influx of patients from neighbouring states Now for your attorney in michigan and law, professor at the universe. In wishing to law, school, Barbara, quaid and state attorney for palm beach county florida Dave amber good morning to you. Both barbara let's start with you and headline about the ten year old girl. Ricocheted across the country yesterday Give us the legal perspective here that could happen to her. Despite being ten and What now is there anything that could stop, or from receiving this abortion in Indiana. How do you see this player? Well, that is the cruelty of these laws.

Jonathan it there are no exceptions for rape or incest. A ten year old who is pregnant is by definition a victim of statutory rape and there is no action in a law for this there's all. Of scenarios where people become pregnant in ways that debt think, are not envisioned by those who oppose abortion and when the state has hands tied by laws. You can't allow girls, women, doctors to me, what everyone would agree is the right decision and then, with regard to try Well, we're now she's permitted to travel to the state of indiana, but there are states, including Missouri, are talking about having laws that would forbid someone from leaving the state for the purpose of Heaven an abortion. I think that is questionable constitutionally, but with the make up of our current supreme court and another have full confidence in them to apply the commerce clause the way it has been in the past.

Today we talked about the sort of patchwork of defence measures. The Democrats are trying to put in place whether from the white house on the hill and honesty level to try to prevent protect I'm access to abortion rights. I want you to focus if you could on the stage. What legal measures can governors can state legislators put in place to try to protect abortion rights in their state and to barbarous point to those who might try to travel to their state tourists? the procedure, good morning? Jonathan and Barbara It can codified rovers his weight in their own laws. There are twenty states right now in the district of columbia that protect a woman's right shoes. Unfortunately You don't seem to be any movement on a national law took I have always way because you can't get through the filibuster in the senate, but you stay dot laws and loose it's our starting to do so and as far as preventing people from travelling to other states. I share barbarous concerned, but I think it's blade.

unconstitutional to restrict interstate travel, even justice cabinet in his concur, opinion in Dobbs said that that would be uncle institutional and now he was part the majority in job. So I think that when states naturally try to restrict their citizens from travelling to other states. It will it would be struck down. But all it takes is one road to turn. It is really aggressive, wanna, my counterpart somewhere it try to make it. a lot of someone and then it's gotta go to a jury and then on appeal until eventually hits a supreme court. So A states can do things, but right now I think you're gonna see to america's you're going the states that our law abortion entirely and you're? Gonna? U states that will welcome patients to be a haven this was a ten year old girl. I mean what kind of world. Are we living in that forces a ten year old girl to carry her rapists baby to term I mean that's crazy, that's like when Christie Noem was ass at the governor of south dakota. It really who she was when she supported

listing law to require that ten year old girl to carry her babies this in turn. It tells you a lot about who these people are in every candidate around the country should be asked about that. She was not the only governor this weekend who said that they also in their state, would force that ten year old girl to carry the baby to turn but let's shift now to the january six committee and every hearing has had explosive development ass. Positive element and yet also tease. What comes ahead so Barbara, which but earlier in the show about pets of bologna. The white house counsel now you're the lawyer, so you're going to tell me how he does have the ability to invoke executive privilege far more than some of these other trump aides tried to. But what should we? You expect to hear from him, as he has emerged as a wheel, key figure here in determining what then president trump was doing before and on January six With regard to the privilege issues, it sounds like their negotiating too so that he can provide.

information and decide This is a little bit of a dance. I think he demanded a subpoena. I think he's got it. To buy anything here, many areas that he can talk about. Certainly whenever there was someone present, a third party would wave any privilege he might have as to what he can talk about capacity hygiene, it really open the door. I fainted putting the pressure on him to testify when she talks things like. In down the hall to say: if we don't stop, is there what on your hands mark meadows when he said if president goes to capital hill. We will all be charged with every time imaginable. He was one of the people prepared to resign if Donald trump fired, Jeffrey rose and replace them with required, so he was involved in those conversations, whereas capacity, since heard about Well, these conversations. That's a lonely was present but the conversations, and so I think he can provide very important testimony, it could demonstrate any number of

president trump from conspiracy to defraud the united states conspiracy to obstruct proceeding and quite possibly even seditious conspiracy, which means there is an agreement to the use of force to stop that proceeding, January's it and they but tell me up well for last request to you it's sort of a pattern for years that in trump world they seize upon one detail. That may not be one hundred per cent right to try and discredit everything else, and what they've done this time over the last few days is kathy hutchins. Testimony that the president, then president trump was reaching into the steer in the front of the limo or the sv to try to grab the steering wheel and she was flat out and said: hey! That's what I heard. I didn't witness that myself, although some video emerged over the weekend that suggest that trump in that Su Vi was gesturing at the minimum tour phronsie. How effective is that is, is just a smoke screen by the trump world to try to spread the whole testimony. What should we really be looking at its a smoke? green and sad they're trying to spread her

saying it's hearsay, but hearsay is admissible in a congressional hearing and besides she was in about it from the beginning that she was not in the car. She was re telling a story. So even if that story proves not to be true, doesn't she was lying. She was re telling a story, but the thing to look for jobs and is the fact she said that donald trump knew there? His supporters were arm that day he still one of the many magnetometer to be removed. He wanted them the march, the capital with him and that will move the needle for prosecutors or past on charges of obstruction of justice, conspiracy to defraud the united states, even apposite many of incitement of a right and maybe seditious conspiracy processes. We bear you sit in her testimony. I don't think the really gonna care much about that anecdote lot, trump, allegedly, robbing the wheel. Now really tossed her anecdote out, and certainly her testimony damning from last week, an attorney for palm beach county dave albert and former. U s attorney barbara quaid thanks so much you both for joining us this morning. Coming

we're gonna be joined by the attorney for the family of jail in walker. He's twenty five year old black man shot and killed by police and ohio. Last week, new body can flourish. Starkey outrage is video, shows officers firing dozens of shots. medical examination revealing still wants to walk body. We're not the history akron next on more info. Newly released body camera video shows the moments leading up to the police, shooting of a black man and actual higher. One week ago, today, There were large protest in the city over the weekend as an independent investigation into the shooting gets underway and bees he was coarse. Maggie vesper has more and a warning the images in this story are disturbing

merely one week after jailing walkers death and facing growing community pressure officials in akron ohio, releasing the body camera footage, I won't mince words the video about to watch is heartbreaking. It shows a harrowing police chase, followed by a stunning hail of bullets and estimated ninety rounds fired by eight akron ohio officers. Kid and leaving twenty five year old jail in walker, with sixty wounds to the body. According to authorities, my youngest was twenty five years of age as well. And I cannot imagine what life would be like without my son the approximately seven minutes of raw video released alongside a second narrated clip gives new insight into what preceded the shooting police say. They tried to pull walker over for an unspecified traffic violation and an equipment violation which is not shown on tape, but they say he took off driving at high speeds and walker fired at them. Police said

You can see the flash from the gun from this sick eddie camera, shot was fired. That changes the nature of the contract they say: walker later ran from his car wearing a scheme, ask officers, investigator, say, fired tailors, but missed what followed that deadly barrage of bullets police, saying officers said they thought walker was turning toward them reaching for a gun. Walker was unarmed, when he was shot, though police, They found a gun and what appears to be a wedding ring in walkers car. anger in akron boiling over. absence ourselves, we could be idiom ourselves, it's just a horrible like that meetings, We are dime dying like this in this manner with this fate. Nobody should ever.

Suffer the fate that jail in walker did the same revealing, just a month ago, walker lost his fiance. We know immediately after the death of his fiancee, he was sad but wasn't exhibiting any kind of behaviour that scared the family, the fair The attorneys say the twenty five year old food delivery driver had no criminal record. His mouth and sister pleading for peace overwhelmed with loss. Why? Why? It does have such a man, such a terrible, wade has why. joining us now attorney for the family of jail and walker Bobby detail. We saw him there in that package, Good morning, sir, thanks for being with us today what tell us about the latest in this investigation and the end, this new video hard to watch, and also, of course,

now. The revelation of the medical examiner than many a sixty wounds were found on walkers body What may this have impact? May this have on the case Well, we were cases turning notable The whole time or what pack of insurance, a young man running across the parking lot is met with over ninety around sixty at least sixty wish it is vital that the court, medical examiner sunshine, I need you to think about this in kentucky just a few days ago, man sat in his house. Barricade himself killed two or three officers ends in jails. Were my clothes in the more and the other guys jail, not why for data because We have to talk about how to use a tat, sometimes not all the time, not all please.

They do. Attack in this case was tat. There was an attack. So as the cello authorities are claiming that walker fired a gun out of his car during the chase? The walker did not have the weapon on him when he was shot authority saying instead found his vehicle. What can you tell us? Did he fire on officers? You know what what sort of is your sense of the the raw? play here in terms of what happened when what we hearing from the police right now is organised, size fits designed to shift the blame at all on my client is absolutely wrong. Listening. Not this first just applies and simple that driving a car open a card or somehow wanting, mothers. Why, on the stool, will presumably and there's one and an open door? which had used to die.

Let's assume you do go no hats and you use the gun and you have no hands driving a car when you got one hand opening the door to door. As you can see from the video, does not sly open and the handles flags with a gun back in the direction of authors, who saw the only likely possible tell me if there was any shot at all. It discharges around at the ground or at the ground. Now we also know that there no bullets in the gun and there's no magazine so they're going to have some explaining to do. I think BC I bureau of criminal investigation for the attorney general while who's doing the investigation is going to have to piece this together for us too early to tell whether or not my client has been possessed and they're using a flashlight so that they get from the ohio department. politicians camera that you guys showed was certainly with a nice red circle, none of which none

its details, a gun, being pointed at least. I know better reminders of just a few days ago. In a stand, ass with debt offices, a man went to jail. How my client goes to the more was over sixty wooes. It is by these inexcusable and lastly, sir briefly, what do you want to see happen? Next? Who do you want to be? accountable watch. just what you want to see made. We need changes. Meaningful changes in actions Such a policy There is no reason for likes lines. Have been pursued in this way, yes, he fled the scene and attractive stop, and that is not enough. Well, that should be done. You know they can they had this information, they could have prosecuted him. He could have been assigned and could have been put in Well, it's necessary. Whatever he's fine or penalty was going to, but he's penalty should not have been just

I have to emphasise. Not only does the chairs follow soon to be reformed, but their use of force policy needs to be reformed and it needs to be in line with the stable yard when we talk about how guns are used and under what circumstances. In this case, too, officers used to users the first to news teens it so there was no lethal threat and it happened the officers and over ninety roused models I watched my client was again absolutely isn. attorney for the family of jail in walker, Bobby cello. This historic, we're gonna be staying on the days had. Thank you for being with us today. Up here on morning Joe, are trumps own staffers, taking his chances in twenty twenty four, the daily beast Matt Louis joins us with that. Take straight ahead: whether it's the complexities Climate change, the challenge:

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