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and over the past two days will have the very latest. Meanwhile, here at home, the seventh victim in the for of July highland park massacre has fit identified. The suspect, in the case ordered, held without bond. As pro get talk about it and fashion what they're saying about plan for a second attack? Also troubling developments at the massacre at rob. Elementary school in Val di texas report shows officers miss. Multiple opportunities to take out. The gunman, including before he even entered the schools, is unbelievable, plus and b news confirms former trump white house counsel, it's a bologna will sit down for a deposition with the january sixth committee. Tomorrow, Will he help connect the dots and the georgia secular, investigating election interference in her state makes it clear if her investigation on cod

crimes committed by former president trump. He will be held accountable, will have her sclusively interview with NBC news, plus two former fbi directors spurned by trump gets, swept up in highly invasive and rare tax audits, that are supposed to be random, while were they look at it that daily their daily lives on their daily double. Pretty add one there for fridays, a coincidence yeah they was a special audit, very few americans, god, but somehow somehow, right after Donald trump was upset with J, call me and became both of them hit. The daily double the odds pretty extraordinary. We can be talking to Michael Schmidt. He broke that story, willie yeah, that's a tough exacted. Even for the two of us. I think the odds are, but somebody like one in twenty thousand to be audited that way, and just purely by

coincidence, the two of them who incur donald trump wrath. Of course, events in both were fired. Audited. We get some new details, as you said, for Michael Schmidt. Just a minute that is incredible good morning and welcome the morning joe, it's thursday July seventh, along with Joe willie in may. We have white house pair chief, let it go and the host of way too early. Than the mere and a host of news to get to this morning. Let's start with our ports that british private, two boris Johnson may resign. Today his government is on the brink of collapse after a series of scandals ultimately lead to insurmountable political challenges. The boisterous as a politician could just not overcome the pro. Mr rose to power on the crest of a populist wave that lead to bricks its passing donald trump victory and the rise of right wing populist, years across europe with John

since collapse. Trumps post election woes are only accelerating by the day and with marie le pen's, crushing defeat in france. The rise of right wing populism in the west mason be limited to the confines of cable news hosts and dwindling number of dim wedded representatives in congress. Congress will talk about that coming up, but first, let's go live right there to ten downing street and NBC new senior digital reporter, Alex

inter smith, Alex. What more can you tell us the while we're still waiting? Quite frankly, the press cordon across the street from number ten downing street is really starting to pack up now. Obviously, the reports are widespread. That boris Johnson does plan to resign. Today. Some reports saying that that could come as early as a vast hours time new local time. Those reports are unconfirmed, but what we do know is that the prime minister's spokesperson is has said that so far, that of the the prime minister is expected to make a speech today. So that is ominous, south. As you say, the last few days, a few weeks or months, even a british politics have really been an extraordinarily wild rides. The resignations have just been coming in coming today, perhaps most extraordinary among the statements in the dean's hallway you just

yesterday was- was appointed. The finance minister after the previous time on finance minister reside. He has now called for the problem for the permanent due to go so very widespread pulls, but for abortion some to resign his post. Until now, it has been clearly on with his finger nails in defiance of seemingly most of his party, but it seems that today he may, I finally realise that the game is up and Alex it it became unsustainable at last check this morning, fifty three resignations from his own cabinet. There just isn't a functioning government at that point. But can you walk us through a little bit alex what brought us to this day? It wasn't just these late, resignations from cabinet officials why boris Johnson may be compelled to step outside that famous black door behind you and resign and a short, from now on. Is an extraordinary story less than three years ago, in december, twenty nineteen, boris Johnson secured a storage election victory, swore

it's to a landslide in the houses of parliament, and he was really known as a titanic figure within the conservative party, someone who has delivered brexit someone who had secured a brexit deal with the european union where other people had failed, and there were predictions then that he may go on to rule the ten fifteen years. Is this kind of talismanic figure this a force of personality and really it's incredible? How different today's situation is from those times less than three years ago, and we got here by essentially six months of rolling scandal. Now you've mentioned at the start that the latest allegations are that boris Johnson knew about sexual assault allegations against his deputy chief whip when he appointed him and ignored the warnings about this person. But that really is just the straw that broke the camel's back. We've had a litany of scandals, including a sleaze allegations times of bullying and other government departments, questions over who paid for the lavish wallpaper and redecoration of the prime minister's residence and, of course, the one that viewers may be most familiar with party gates,

that saw bars Johnson being the first sitting, prime minister in the uk, to be essentially accusative uncharged with committing a crime by the by the police

he stood up in parliament and assured fellow lawmakers that no parties happened during covert lockdowns, while the rest of the country was staying inside, keeping their distance. He stood up in parliament assured fellow lawmakers that no parties happened and it turned out. He was at some of the parties himself. So in terms of his credibility, this really is not a dispute about policy. It's not about what the government wants to do in the rest of the country. It's really about Boris Johnson's character, who he is as a man and it's a through line running through not just his political career, but his life before that which has come to this stage and opinion polls show that most of the countries just do not trust him anymore, and it seems, like his party, is coming around to the same idea there as well so alex. I wanted to ask you about that. His history of lying, of course, we in america aren't quite as familiar with all the lies. We have our own former liar in chief to follow those lies daily, but Boris Johnson,

going back to nineteen. Eighty eight sacked by the times for lying making quote she started. Writing comes for the telegraph lying and exaggerating and in one column after another. Of course, one lie after another, after he became british prime minister lied about these covered, but but brits knew that the concerns if the party knew that and they accepted him. They understood that's just too he was he lied and they wanted him in power after breaks it. I guess The question is: why are they now finally sang enough sick and tired of his lies, dance and most

I think, you're absolutely right, and I think that few people were under any illusions about who boris Johnson is and was when he was elected mayor of london when he was elected as prime minister in twenty nineteen. What I think the bargain that lots of people made was that they were prepared to accept those foibles. You know if you want, to put it mildly, because of the force of personality, the bar shelves. Soon, as he's ready, stephen was seen at least by many as a unique figure who sort of cut through to the mainstream and really grow carrots of the political bubble into the mainstream. He was a household name when he was mayor of london either he would do these kind of goofy things in public. We probably remember him halfway up a zip wire waving union jack flags, but I guess people will always accept that. Maybe hudson was in his character because he was able to rally people around him like few other politicians could, but now that bargain has obviously tips too far. The other way and people are starting to say actually that's a price. That's too much.

You know to pay essentially that's the lot lies our very charge, words and bricks. British politics and people is reluctant to use that word, but we can say at the very least the bars jones and has a record of saying things which either at the time, were demonstrably false or turned out not to be true, and so that's where we are today and it's it's. It's really a measure of just how that think. He has changed within the conservative party that they are no longer prepared to accept backlog and they really see forrest johnson. As more of an electoral liability than electoral asset and for the conservative party, which really has a ruthless history of gaining and hanging onto power, they really are the party of power in postwar british politics. That is the key thing here. Boris Johnson is going to cost them their seats in the next election, and that's just something not prepared to accept. and bases Alexander Psmith, great job. Thank you so much and Joe so interesting. So many potential

parallels and trends going on there? There are a lot. I will say that willie will remember when I tried to do the deployment of us rather than the raw, the rockefeller plaza ice skating ranges eyes, errors johnson, I get stuck there and a weirdly now too had a helmet, and I was really union jack. It didn't really make sense to any of us, but you know why did last time in your life is a dark period for you it was the eyes it was seven eight I don't remember exactly when it was, but I'd like to just forget it really. So it's interesting you're, not we We keep hearing and we ve heard but the rise of the authoritarian and western democracy on the skids we are, but we ve heard about the rise of the right wing populist and it's going to over Take western democracy and we worse, Johnson zella, brags airways, Donald trump there, without a doubt

a growing sense of exhaustion, boris Johnson, getting the boot from his own party suggests that, not just happening here. We were starting to hear more more about it with donald trump. It's not just happening in france, swear, the french people said yeah, we don't like mccrone But man we're not voting. The crazy woman and and we're seeing it we're seeing it really across now great britain cross a lot of europe that it looks like the age of the right wing populists with with johnson's departure, may be becoming to a short short, and it was a false spring by while spring with some very very bad hair. Really as you look at this collage photographs, never really arrived at a haircut that made,

but in reality, what that's? Why I'm donald trial by militant transfer like it is? It is just something about things right wing populist, semi get lower you know what I would is interesting to note about this. If boards Johnson, the prime minister does in fact resigned today, is that here, if party is showing that there is accountability, that there are standards of net things in character, and it feels like here in the united states. We don't see that, obviously, among republicans, with donald trump, but upon that's willing to say that someone that they thought was the vessel for the things they wanted to get breaks. It done as he promised during his campaign. There saying no action there's a line. You can't cross we're all going to resign and run you out of office that does happened here. Maybe that will check, we haven't seen it yet among republicans, though, and to your larger point about authoritarian. We will see if Donald trump runs for president again will learn whether that tied has really been turned back, not just in europe but here in the united states,

we will also see are: long held belief that no man is above, the law is once again skirted and donald trump is above the law, more investigations going on more shocking revelations coming out of january. The six. An investigation in georgia. Where he's cod on tape trying the rig an election, there we'll see whether that's the case to Jonathan Almira, though donald is without shame refused to leave, even though, at eighty million voters, told him get out of the white house, trying to destroy our constitution, try to destroy tradition of a peaceful transfers and and my question, is if there's just something in me: I just wonder whether boris Johnson will be without shame. Also, I hear he's talking about stepping down, but there's something in me that says he may, give up. Wiser we easily

While, certainly he has tried to clean the power to this point in the face of allegations and calls for his resignation for quite some time whatsoever. It was only about a month back. He faced a vote of no confidence which he survived barely and at the time thought was then sort insulated from childish to his power because by law he can't face another one of those for a year, but the as this growing scandalous just escalated. The most recent being accusations that one of his appointees had exhibited some sexual actions of central misconduct at one of these parties that the prime minister claimed he never had and never tended any did both of those, and it does seem like, though his party, the can events are saying to him. Hey enough is enough, and maybe some that is moral high ground, but it's also just about. Looking at the next election- and I thought johnson cost them seats and that might be if the Republicans ever get there with trump that's

probably going to be the same motive. That's not going to be they're, going to suddenly condemned donald trump and his behavior, but rather they're afraid he's going to cost them some seats. I know some republicans already right now are worried that if trump were to suddenly that's his re election bid for twenty twenty four. Now it could damage there Is this coming midterms they're asking him not to do that? just briefly. Lastly, on Johnson the white house, no official response, yet of course certainly inviting and bore shots and not exactly close personally. Despite that show me photographic. Looking right now bore johnson, partly at it. The force last week and a pair of summits in europe where he was disheveled, I'm putting it mildly and at one moment called out to his fellow world leaders g, seven ride for life, which now, I think,

Then a last cry for help, but certainly the biggest concern for the white house would be. Does his replacement? Does this impact at all the effort to backup and crane? I don't think so, but yeah especially that there's a great series of photographs of porsche losing articles of clothing, as the summit in germany went along I'll have at some point his jacket was on his shirt was on top, and I could you not ass his little world leaders if in an intimidating message to Putin, if they should all move their shirts and show off their packs Well, let me let you in a willy for those that haven't followed, boris johnson storied career. This is a man who, in his first run for parliament, almost every body promised man and an audience we can see this. He said where I'd better, not say I mean why it had something to do with me.

beers. Yes, their wives is horrible and that money in their pocket it sort of thing. Well, I No, I don't this sort of thing you wouldn't say in north west florida. If you wanted to get a lacked and back in my day you describe this dish about luck in it. It jake sherman, comes to mind for some real exile and yeah, exactly how lazy picking up speaking the wage hair we're gonna get to the rest of these and second, but le meares hair knows can already tell you that I was looking pretty good, and you know why

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like you always a shell you're, not on radio g, seven ride for life g, seven, the same thing the fast and the furious that was one that was one of the lesser sequels, faster figure. Seven ride for life, yeah get back to the uk, rid of you back to Boris Johnson back to ten downing in just a few minutes. We're watching closely. We may hear from him soon formal resignation we will see, but we want to turn to the investigation into the on our united states capital, a former whitehouse council, whose some law makers of com, the missing link in the house january? Six investigation has great to speak with the committee after being subpoenaed last week had sip alone, and we see no can confirm, will sit down with lawmakers for transcribe interview behind closed doors. Sip bologna, who was in the west wing during the insurrection, has been mentioned by several other witnesses during the house hearings according to them he

heatedly pushed back against the white house. Efforts to overturn the twenty twenty election results and often voice concerns directly to trump himself, but until now sit bologna has refused to cooperate with the house investigation, citing attorney, client and executive privilege, when he s now new york times congressional reporter luke broad water. Look good morning, so obviously pets, opel his name came up a lot in the jarring, testimony from Cassie hutchinson last week see like he had two now step forward, at least that the committee needed to hear what he had to say to fill in some of those blanks and at least to corroborate some of what she said How is this, what does it need to be a transcribe interview? Are we going to see him? What is this going to look like next week,

yes. This is a very important development. Further committee, passive bologna is an extremely key figure. Who is there for several of the major moments in this plot overturn the election, and he may know things that we don't even know about yet that he could reveal to them tomorrow. During this interview I do expect ass. It alone is testimony to be played next week at some of the hearings. There was conversations about whether you should test if I live and for the public list. Cheney had called for that, but are the committee does like to know exactly when a person is going to say before they go up there? They don't want to turn one of them televised hearings in tat. You know we fight so they they like to know exactly what a person's going to say before they decide to put them out there. So I think, we'll see the possibility of video clips, but not necessarily passive bologna sitting at the witness stated so and the privilege privilege would be what it

from your understanding Lee Recommendations made to the present anything touching on his representation of the president, where The president have attorney client privilege, where they're just talking to each other, but so I would guess the comments that he made to castle hutchison, which would not be privilege, the animals are all your incline negotiations. Everyone can see that patsy bologna does have a turning point. privilege, west that sort of resistance coming bored and talking about some of those things. So I don't think we'll see him necessarily talk about direct conversations with donald trump, but that doesn't mean you can't talk about

lots of other material. You know we heard cast the arches and talk about ouch passively mark matters were going back and forth into the oval office to try to get out front to call off the mob. Can he talk about the things he said, the catholic? They talk about the things he said to mark meadows, you don't, we know he was. Therefore meetings are seizing voting the sheets he was there will tat when built are offered his resignation. He was there when they had draft letters to fast track letters from the justice department and for when he shot down plans from members of congress front from John eastman put forward for slates of electors. I mean there are so many things that passive bologna knows and I think his testily could be absolutely crucial for this committee and he was probably the biggest witness laughed at age that they could get than they had yet. So I do not expect this to be a very important tomorrow, halo

council, Amira shrilly aids to the former president concerned. The last council now already, at least to an extent give us a sense of this committee has these hearings so tightly scripted. Each hitting a theme really building towards a narrative. The one they have announced on tuesday is about the presence of some of these hate groups. The proud boys, the three per centres, etc. Would not seeing the the testimony testimony really fit in their. So what's your anticipations too, when we will hear from this white house council when that hearing could look like? What's your themes, might they hit I wouldn't gas that they use passable on his testimony during the final hearing, which we expect to be about what they call the one hundred and eighty seven minutes of an action that those three hours from roughly one o clock

in the past four o'clock, where Donald trump does nothing as the mob is storming the capitol we've heard some testimony already that he was agreeing with the mob that he was endorsing the chance of hang mike pence and we do expect Sarah matthews testimony former on daddy press secretary to be used during that time, and so I think we hear a lot of them pending? What patsy bologna says video this committee has been known to throw out the play book before throughout, plan and if he tells them something that may anticipate or found through the explosive, potentially see that at any time, new york times congressional reporter luke broad water thanking so for being with us. We greatly appreciate it and, unlike certain punch ball reporters he actually get dressed for the hair like skype, and yet he dies armenia again, the boers low. I mean look at me, but still

a subtle amir you. This is your bead. Obviously it's been your beat for a very long time and you got a book coming out about it. I'm curious what what do you? expect to hear from pads similarity and what What holds you think are the most important ones in in the timeline that he could fill in the big lie out July. Twenty six thanks for that plug Joe I'm serious. You say that you had to recital. I say you get a book common out. Think I'm just start talking right and then I go. Oh by the way big lie in July, we will get better, will coordinate that that better than einstein, yes sippel owning it looks. The bologna is someone who is going to spain. Ex do exerting twenty client privilege for some of the convention will therefore present as loot just set. However, where he's going to be really important is corroborating the testimony of already heard from Cassie Hutchinson, but

and we know from previous reporting that he, on January. Six was warning anyone an earshot about how bad things were going, how he felt that there could be criminal liability. that very day he express one went to an aid that he thought. Donald trump could face. Some sort of charge on January six. Now that of course, didn't come to be. We know it's very complicated and potentially not possible to charge a sitting president, but he is keenly aware of the illegality, the potential illegality of what was happening there and is going to be someone the committee aides tell us they anticipate painting, start detail. The Donald trump knew exactly what was going on. He knew that it was wrong and it could be. A real problem for the president s department of justice, carefully watched these hearings it's only a vast watching the hearings and, I suspect, dear jays can be watching too, and will it just one one that one side note I just want to thank you and nick and wants to thank you too, for

this sandwich boards off of a mere as he was walking, and it said the big lie out jail. I never saw a new area. The sandwich sports, which would have, of course, the clubs to that That is why it is so thank you for being here and it didn't work great, as it was three o clock in the morning in a lot of people on the streets, but he was anyway times square again, that's great big lie. Allergy lies ahead, for nato will be keeping an eye on one didn't answer so behind she is it friday have make up. Do they put a bag raised? There is generally, not least, which board. That was that no noted, god will be keeping an eye on london and the reported resin nation that is coming from british prime minister boris chance and meanwhile back here at home, will look at the limits of red flag laws in the aftermath of the highland park, shooting plus florida governor rhonda santas as a strong contender for the geo b,

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Dozens more were told he did at least one third round magazine and reloaded twice ran from the scene official say he dropped and left the aid are semi. A our style, semi automatic rifle used in the attack, It was later recovered by investigators and traced back to the defendant after escaping from highland park official say he then drove one hundred and forty miles to madison wisconsin he considered attacking us. in July fourth event the gun official say he carried with him to madison along, about sixty rounds of animal. It was found in the car. After he was arrested,

We don't have information to suggest he planned on driving to madison initially to commit another attack. We do believe that he was driving around following the first attack and saw the celebration attack. Some indications are that he hadn't put enough thought in research into it. We No, the identity of the seventh victim of the highland park, mass shootings, sixty nine year old, Eduardo, laval, dough. Died of his injuries in the hospital he had been on life support since monday, shooting he attended, the parade with his wife grandson, who were both also wounded its natural highland park, illinois NBC news, correspondent dash of burnt with the very latest asha how people can what's the latest there,

in the morning you know this is a community where people have told me they always always felt safe, and now they say that that sense of safety, that sense of comfort here has been ripped away from them and look when the cameras go away. When the caution tape comes down when that street behind me gets opened up again, people have to walk that street where this tragedy happened and they are going to be processing this for a long time, and especially some of the youngest people who were out this parade. This is a place where kids were so excited to come because they would get candy. They would get prizes. They were excited to see the floats go by. I spoke with two little girls: nine year old, lily and eleven year old sydney. They wanted to do this interview micah because they wanted other kids to know that it's ok to be scared of that. It's okay to talk about your feelings, take a listen to some of what they told me,

scared like navies ladder, noise and live in our fireworks. That scared me, like

I I I'm still scared of like big noises like police, sirens and stuff. I highly doubt that I go to anymore and pray. I just feel scared at now. Parades thinking about this would happen again the because they told me that their dad grabbed them screaming run. They had to hide inside of a local business. They say that they're still getting stomach cakes at night that it has they're having a hard time sleeping, you heard them say: they're they they don't want to go to a parade ever again. These are the kinds of stories that we're hearing over and over and over again and imagine being a parent having to help your child cope with something like this, a tragedy that you went through with them, and it is just unbelievable to hear these stories makeup and how to explain it and bases dasha burns. Thank you so much we appreciate

then coming up. There is talk of southern governor making a run for president, but it's not the one you want Thinking of virginia report What can glen young can may be testing the waters, bringing something to the race that governor ron Desantis does not how young can could bring some suburban voters back into the geo be next on morning. Joe the

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We will change the trajectory of this commonwealth, laughs and friends. We are going to start that transformation on day, one yeah, for there is no time to waste. This is the spirit of Virginia coming together, like never before the spirit. washington in jeopardy and matters cinnamon row, Patrick Henry her journey and stand up and take our commonwealth back such a that's. Obviously, junior governor glenn young can, in november of last year, after winning the states gubernatorial an eternal race, what're you but about that and clung young.

Overall, as you know, I've gotta say here he's a more traditional republican of herbs than what we've seen over the past five six years. He doesn't go around. I don't think carrying a r fifteen cents is good. He tries to avoid. Looking to extreme, the national press was focused on, it, talks about c r t and keeping it out of schools, but actually on on the grass roots level. People were paying closer attention to his opponent sang. Basically, parents need to my their own business when it comes to the teaching of there their children in school. That was obviously gaff. There really hurt. Terry mccall, but also the ads that he was running they were adds to cut sales tax on groceries is at a time when inflation was starting thoroughly grow, so

there is some republicans I've been talking to over the past. We think there may the path forward for young can, if Donald trump continues. Take on water, As he's been doing with the january six hearings, as we are seeing in georgia, but also to questions linger about ryan dissatisfied around to santa to spend basically called the great white hope by so many somebody in the trump faction. The guy pole even with calm allah hair is despite the fact he's been called the big thing for by by the national media on the left and the right for the past year and is trump successor, so it'll, be I'm trying to say if there's a pathway for young can, I suspect, despite the fact he's, not a fire breather in the vein of dishonest and tromp. I suspect that

those two fall, he's acts and why such joining us now senior political correspondent for the washington examined are David drucker and david slightest article in examiner is entitled Giovanni governor Glenn. Young can expands political operations, as twenty for speculation grow is so. Is he about David he's thinking. it. You know what He's trying to do over the next several months to see how he likes the national scene the people will say that he has only been governor for less than a year and in a normal political environment. Weeds, bothers with this after they will limit governor year. Wanted you finish it term. Take your time and then see what's going to happen in terms of any presidential ambitions you have, but he only has one term to serve as governor. He can serve multiple terms, but not consecutively, and so his options are do nothing after his first four years are up. Wait for twenty twenty nine to run for governor virginia again, wait for twenty twenty eight to run for president and

We have learned over the past ten years or so. The timing is everything you strike when you're hot voters are not as interested in an expert, of political resonated what the way they might have been in decades past Chris Christine, people feel missed his moment in twenty twelve go bomb of the former president. Clearly did not mrs moment in two thousand and eight just four years after bursting out of the national seen with a democratic convention speech and in so I don't think, there's anything at the time in the wrong here. I think part of it is number one as young and fans out across the country to stump republicans on the twenty twenty two ballot. Does he really take to it the way he took to the campaign trail in virginia? Does he like it? Does he want to do it and if he wants to do it can even see his campaign with tens of millions of dollars of his own money. The second thing is- and this is really interesting, Joe and mika- a lot of the youngest supporters believe his Beth best path the presidency, through a republican primary, is a reply.

we can primary in which trump runs because the thinking goes here. Trouble box out anybody else that to be like him, a rhonda santas might palm pale anybody else, and then you can get a very fresh contrast it and is the new fresh face leader. option for republicans as they pick their next presidential nominee in a race without donald trump naked A trump like candidate anna fresh face all in one, and then it becomes a little bit more difficult for for the virginia governor david terry mccall, who ran against glennie, I'm getting that race in virginia and some pundits in the press tried to make glennie I'm going out to be Donald trump fleece vast, but it turned out to virginia voters. He was basically mitt romney in their eyes. So that's the point. You mean IRAN, whose a better can't, whose better, on the stump too sure yeah, but

the point is made your second point: is there really room in a primary for glenn yanking for anyone whose name is not donald trump? If Donald trump, in fact wants to run, is that sort of justice spoiler campaign? Does it get a handful of votes in the suburbs? Isn't donald trump really and that at the driver's seat of this party wants it well, I'm trumps always gonna be in the driver's seat at the outset. If he wants it right he's got the name. I d he's got the money into his political committees, not to mention its own money. He was president, and you know when you ve done the job. That's a big hurdle, given seated campaign like this before, but we seen seen when we're running for a second term you're automatically presidential, because you ve been president, but there are a lot of republicans that are going to run anyway right. There are republicans that have worked for donald trump that have not worked for donald trump. Not ray candidate wants to be in their late seventys when they run for president or possibly become president, and so you have

begins in their late fifties, too late, sixties, thoroughly seventies. By the time the campaign starts that are, I'm going to simply decide, wait around for twenty twenty eight or twenty thirty two and there take a look at an open seed and give it a shot now and even though tromp remains very strong with republican voters. A lot of the struggles that he's had in these key primaries work is endorsed. Candidates have lost have made republicans who want to take his place, think that it's worth giving it a shot, and so then you asked the question: could young can compete with tromp? Look we don't know in running, for president is not the same as running for governor, so he can run and fall flat on his face when you have republicans com, you rather than democrats or the media, is a totally different ballgame, but he does present as a contrast varieties, a throwback to a nineteen eighteen. Ninety ninety style, a conservative who still very conservative. If you look at his record as governor, if you look at the position he has taken, they can occur

of being a moderate or a centrist, but he's not one, but he's just got this different way about him and that's why people at like him he could be perfect contrast for tromp, whereas without trumpet the race you're looking at number of candidates that we discussed. Who would automatically be the fresh phase but also provide that sort of top? was pugilism that some Republican, primary voters like with tromp, so If the former president decides not to run, will have an extraordinarily added geo p field. But let's get you to put all your forecasting hat. Let's say: trump does run, chipotle you're really plugged into the gnp which republic any tenders do. You think, go ahead and launch their own campaign anyway, I covered a lot of this. An interim shadow and I've talked to a lot of republicans over the last year about this, and I think you know some of this now is a lot more obvious than it was when trump left office, but I think

very clear that former vice president, my pants, is gearing up to run, regardless of what trump does, and it gets very clear that might palm pale. The former secretary of state is gearing up to run no matter what trump does there are people around Rhonda santa's, who believe that he will run with trump in the race. I'm less convinced of that. I know that arkansas senator Tom cotton really wants to run and twenty twenty four, I think he's on that sort of trump bubble. If tromp runs he's young enough to, wait it out. While I think you have to look add florida sen, rick, Scott, chairman of the national republican senatorial committee, somebody who may run if trump runs and then they'll be some some outliers there that we don't predict, but I think what interesting here is just about every name I mentioned. None of them would be considered and an ice I guess I should not leave out former new jersey governor Chris Christie, who ran in two thousand and sixteen is clearly signaling.

Plans to run and take it straight trick the trial, but even even with him, in this mix here as critical as he's been of trump since january, six, twenty twenty one, none now, none of them republicans in this group you would consider- and tromp or I have particular anna law city toward tromp from a policy perspective. Or at least at the outset? Obviously, pants is in his own little category now because of what happened with their relationship, but none of them our quota and quote never trumpery. None of them are centrists they're. All I in the white house and I I think a lot of them look at what trump did in two thousand and sixteen and are saying to themselves. Why do I have to automatically conclude that, cannot win or should not run so David leads. Finally, as we talked about the calculations for two thousand and twenty, let's talk about donald trump himself. This is a guy who thought he had a way to win and twenty sixteen. He was right and if

rock decrease, Christine others that were around him in the spring of of twenty twenty. He knew he was in big trouble. No, we was likely going to lose, and so we started concocting. The big lie about about election being stolen. So we can prepare for that loss. You talked to republicans closed tromp. You talk the republicans pretty up in the party and they're all saying the same thing, Donald I'm done. Nothing to win those voters that he lost from twenty. Sixteen to twenty twenty he's done, thing to win back. Voters in the suburbs of atlanta he's done nothing since since the election to win, voters that he lost in the suburbs of filling in fact he's even more extreme? He is, is boil this message home even more he's a limited, his appeal even more so might make less than you year, whereas start

tromp. The way you ve studied trauma knowing trump away. I have known trump in the past, isn't this a guy who understands Then, if you runs again, he can't where am I m, and we gotta hit that when we get reporting about him going crazy when he, their role is going to be overturned cause. He understood the reality that those suburban women that flag Twenty twenty will be even further away in twenty twenty four, look. I think you raise a good point in that trunk was able, in twenty sixteen, to put together a coalition of traditional republicans and then voters that had not typically voted for foreign buddy right, and so he expanded the Republicans, the republican party voting base even though he ran into trouble in twenty twenty. If you look

the turn out that he inspired for republican candidates down valid, You can't completely say that his candidacy was a bust for the party and I think that's why they had such a hard time getting over him or trying to shed him, because when you look at gaining fifteen seats in the house in twenty sixty in two thousand and twenty, that a lot of that was turnout inspired by trump and in trump's numbers with non white voters actually improved in two thousand and twenty. So then the question is: how does trump look at this and I think trump, and Joe look, you know this. I mean the man said for bankruptcies. He just keeps coming back right. I mean some people would have a little bit of a shame about running into trouble like that and he went through four bankruptcies and then was on television? Is the greatest business man ever with without decently, righted show and- and that's because tromp is, is either good. It compartmentalizing or simply does not care. So does he

look at this and say he cannot win. I dont know that he necessarily looks at it. That way. I think single. He looks at an incumbent president who currently isn't do into great in the polls you now and then then, naturally, you're going to have some buyers remorse and amongst some republican voters who voted for Biden because they were exhausted with tromp, but maybe now they're, looking it at inflation and other matters and saint jean, while maybe he's mean tweets word so bad an end on four selectively look at things that he wants to look at. You know the polls show I'm ahead. He promotes right. The pole That show him losing, while those are all fake news and are manipulated by people like you and me, because we don't like him so thinking. He I don't think it's a fait accompli that he's going to run. I think it's like fifty fifty, but I do think that doesn't necessarily look at this and say I have no hope and all it takes is a little hope and a little desire, and somebody gives it a shot megan twenty twenty republican, Canada's did well.

I'll drop underperform that it may remembering state after state after state underperformed republicans down validated drucker. Thank you. So my J that greatly appreciate it. Still, I had a coincidental audits. Could that big? Once again, I don't know. Maybe I like these two guys would be like an in depth. Random audit for port for one person is really serve as one in twenty thousand one and thirty thousand chance. You then I can one of those one in thirty thousand chances on top of another one in thirty thousand chances, I'm not in good math, but it's pretty rough now allow the ira took an extensive look at the records of two men who were frequent targets of former president trump will talk to the reporter behind that story. Next, on morning, Joe the weather, it's the complexity. climate change, the chaplain

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