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morning and welcome to morning Joe, it is Friday July. Eighth with us, we have white house bureau chief. Political and a host of way to our allayed, Jonathan, le maire and pulitzer prize winning columnist an associate editor of the washington post, eugene robinson, and we begin with that. Breaking news. Former japanese prime minister sharon, so avi is dead after being shot twice. This morning, officials They was campaigning for a candidate ahead of Japan's upcoming house of councillors, elections where he was shot from behind once in the back and the other in the neck, with what appear to be a whole made gone this and in the city of narrow about twenty miles. Southeast of osaka, the chaos from the shooting and the subsequent take down of the man. Let's say carried out. The attack was all camera and I warn you some of this bit may be incredibly disturbing

they was immediately air elected to a nearby hospital. After officials say he went into a state of cardiac arrest. The suspect, according to police, is more member of Japan's navy. Speaking to the country after the attack, their country's current prime minister and of a success are called the shooting. I quote, despicable barbarians actor.

We cannot allow. Let's go right now to beijing in bc. News foreign, correspondent agendas, mackey frere, jan, is it's hard unless, unless people follow japanese politics too stand. What a mass of figure the prime minister wise. and the pedigree, his grandfather also being premier his father have you the number two position, the longest serving premier. In japanese history, the entire region. The entire world must be in a state of shock chains. Obey was a political giant in Japan. The longest serving leader in japan, history, a prominent figure who was still popular on the campaign trail. That's why he was giving that speech in western japan today too to help that other candidate. So there is, no understanding how this is reverberating for peace

when japan, and also we cannot under state how, exceptionally rare gun violence is in the country. Japan has among the most stringent gun laws in the world. There's that he suffered such a violent death. This assassination is also profoundly shaking people in a place just unaccustomed to gun violence. The this this morning, the washington post reports that firearms are strictly regulated in japan, gun violence, most often associated with the japanese criminal network. Last year, eight of the tin shootings in japan were related to sending syndicate building and only one death and for injuries janis. If we could talk add and and how he was trying to actually move japan forward from from pacifist

position that the united states and other leaders the post war world placed on them and actually Trying to get Japan in a position where they can defend themselves or at least for more active with the united states and standing up to what he saw, as arising from China well then shins obey hand important relationships with several? U s president's in and, as you say, he was trying to expand the reach. The scope and the strength of Japan's military ends the how large he figured on the medical landscape, showed why he was popular on the camp in trail, We know of the suspect to was tackled by a secret service. Detail at the scene is that he apparently told investigators that he was not motivated by political beliefs. T acting out of what he called a dissatisfaction with ad

it himself so, while shinzo abe, very large on the political scene in japan for first several years. His politics were not always popular, We know from what happened to those two shots that are our still reverberating. They went down bleeding. He was unconscious when he was airlifted to hospital. Reportedly no vital signs. Doctor say that they try to I think, to save his life they tried resuscitating, but that he had lost so much blood from wounds to his chest and two small wounds to his neck. What had happened was that the arteries were so damaged and he lost so much blood that triggered heart failure and he pronounced dead just after five at three p m local time in Japan, which is just after four o clock in the morning eastern time occur. prime minister. For me, a sheet is expected to speak to the press shortly

again. This news is, has been reversed, waiting for much of the day across Japan. It did not look good versions obey when he was being airlifted to hospital, but still still confirmation of his death. Such a violent death is really really rocking people in Japan, as condolences, obviously coming in from around the world. I believe I saw this morning. The chinese government also sent their condolences despite the fact that obviously had relationship the former prime minister, one of the fiercest advocates for taiwan and warning again. We sadly, that that Taiwan could be invaded in the united states and the rest of the world needed to defend them. Talk about that that relationship the taiwan and also his somewhat. Difficult relationship with china.

There have been strained relations between china and japan for for decades and uncertainly. On social media in china. Today, some of the comments on about now worth mentioning by we're gleeful hearing about the eight oceans, obey Relations were further strained, even in the past couple of weeks, with from the yoke of sheeta appearing to step up to build and to strengthen ties with the? U s in attending the NATO summit in Madrid. officials. Here took note of that. They were not pleased with that. They seeing an impact on on regional relations again all linked to what is expected to be, I need move on taiwan again. Much of this is still reverberating across the region and actually say leaders around the world are our

expressing their condolences at so many of those leaders I had mentioned so abe had relations with shinzo abe, and so the news is still sinking in and again for the people in japan to lose such a prominent figure in The violent way is quite jarring. Now we see janis viking frere reporting for us in beijing, thank you so much will greatly appreciated. Gene It is a guarantee for We are obviously the united states, not just news, but culturally, we focus far more obviously on what is to the east of us and in Britain, and europe, quite as much with japan display their extraordinary power, but talk if you and for one minute just for americans. Waking up who may not may not

have is much of understanding of What a massive figure he was in japanese politics. instead. The influence that he's had on Japan not only himself but his father, as well as his grandfather rights, we tend to think I would tend to forget about Japan. Japan is the third largest

kind of me in the world at an extremely important country, of course, our foreign policy. We have tat, we talk for twenty years about a pivot toward the the pacific in order to deal with. China's rise arise to becoming a rival of the united states, and arguably the binding administration is finally executing that permit and he is emphasised its relationship with applied that that that japan is a member of shinto bay is arguably the most important, and certainly one of the most important political figures in japan in the post war war to errors or longer serving prime minister Japan ever had. and he eagerly miss policies were somewhat

reversal in japan, in that she agreed with the united states that Japan should take a more. I don't look. Militaristic is the word, but should be more aggressive in its in its defence spending in its defence policy and and more prepared to face the the rise of a rise in china, and he'd be executed. Some of those I will say, is that that again was controversial. We have no idea what the motive was for the shooting, but this is so shocking. This does not happen in japan, a city of a country of one hundred and twenty five million people that has perhaps ten shootings ten instances of gun violence in a year this this is incomprehensible

I believe too, to most japanese as they are, as they are marching what's happening. I can't imagine this happening in in their country that there would be a shooting nana death like miss, say nothing of it being so many so important to teach you to answer such a long time for such a long time, and we believe we are going to be talking to the ambassador. The united states ambassador to Japan, Rahm Emanuel in a few minutes, but Micah have a we have. what a cover your knew, your father. Actually, New the gatt menaced by actually was has a couple of first in japan, history. He was the youngest prime minister when he first became prime minister at age. Fifty two that didn't and cut it in and well and did not last long, but then he returned and twenty twelve and then the longest running, prime minister, his grandfather,

prime minister of Japan and many say his legacy, and this has to your point, Joe, as strengthening relations with the united states and thus strengthening japan's too, and capabilities so he's a major figure, japanese history and in world history. Then LE mayor is there any reaction from the white house. Yet yeah. We have a statement from the white house expressing their shock and sadness about, prime for prime minister abe's death. They said their thoughts are with his family and the grieving nation. President Biden has an event later today on abortion rights expecting to sign an executive order, and aides have suggested that he will also addressed abe's death, then That's a little later. This morning we should note abbaye, as you said, the longest serving prime minister in

ants history left office in two thousand and twenty, so he studied health issues, so he and Biden did not overlap. While Biden was president, but Biden knew him very well, while he was vice president. They met a number of times both in japan and in here in the united states. Abe's thought of very warmly here, in fact, unity in the united states. He also he worked to establish. I tried to establish a relationship of former president trump as he did indeed try to align Japan more closely with the united states, and we should underscore he was assassinated while delivering a campaign speech in a town not far from osaka. The current prime minister of Japan, premature chiquita, just put us meant mourning the death of his friend, but also saying that this sunday's elections, for which abe was campaigning, will continue that he feels like the democratic process needs to go on and for this this assassination they will go The scheduled this sunday

bringing now? U s: national editor and commerce, the financial times ed loose was on the phone with us. Add you obviously follow this very closely, give us first first, while your reaction to the stunning manner of shins or abe's death and also what his legacy is for japan in the world, shouted undermining the other three on actually freakish. Events in Japan is just doesn't happen. I believe the last of the law, the exact roma assassination politician with nineteen sixty. It's not even called out in japanese political culture legacy of huge economic sabin. Alex was great structural reform, but the japanese economy named after him. I think equity. currently worth his amendment of Japan

competition to make japan so called self defence policies more left him it. And Japan's alliance with the united states more practical. With a pounding member of the quad, which. I'm scared Are the interpreters epics? I guess embryonic nature for he's been a hugely significant. I got came in japanese politics and whose career was by no means over. He was killed. Campaigning for election to the upper chamber and sixty seven I was not over the hill yeah. You know it interesting that over the past six months. Obviously, Europe has awakened to the growing threat from russia. The threat from my and our take back some more of their defence capabilities that

they seated after world war, to its action, bay was a bit ahead of its time in that respect, wasn t he It was very. These tough on china is a key ally of taiwan and, like you, others have said, upset some people china, because you wanted to move away from a pacifist constitution and have Japan position and not only defend themselves, but to be a strong ally, the united states. Counteracting china's growth, absolutely right. I mean he is too premiership them, particularly. His second stand coincided with a more anybody. a china that would no longer even hiding it. Like the phrase goes unspent and keeping people I paid by china, that with more a body and much more I like and bay

Did a wage apparent answer to this more effective japan? Second, japanese leaders appended to beat very quiet, very contentious, oriented berry She made an ebay, wasn't like that at all. He was more like us. I then show up, I got not afraid to challenge long I'm doing principle the japanese politics in order to adapt it, much much hush up while that he to parliament, aging with china and that legacy, will long lasting a major shift in japan. Pasture. If you like, So we are looking at pictures now, just horrific news had of japan shock across the country and around the world. As the former japanese prime minister shins, though, has then shot dead,

sazen assassinated and word- is that he was in the middle of a political event. He was shot twice and rushed to the hospital. They tried in vain to keep him alive, and the former japanese prime minister has assassinated we're going to be covering this throughout the show this morning, all four hours of warning that Joe there is the video the attack which very disturbing, and one of the things that a lot of people are talking about right now is how somebody could walk right up to him and and shoot him and how guns are not prevalent in japan, and this may have been a homemade guns. So there's a lot of answered questions, and we have much or to come on this breaking story we want to quit.

turn now to the resignation of british prime minister, Boris Johnson, the associated press, calling him the coat messy us to prime minister's dogged by one scandal. After another johnson announced he would resign as conservative party leader, but will stay on this prime minister until a new leader is in place, a process that could take weeks possible contenders include foreign secretary this trust, defence, secretary ben wallace and others. The white house gave boilerplate statement, saying the united states and Britain's special relationship will and your when asked to be at a reaction to Johnson's announcement. President Biden said now: it's part of the process and you jane your latest out bed for the wash imposed is entitled. Boris Johnson's ball shows the limits shamelessness, as they say, we're power interesting what is winning there and what the limits are. There come

here, we haven't, sold our limit yet we're still deep into the the the shamelessness era of our politics, but it Britain finally had enough of Boris Johnson's antics. I remember boris when I was a quarter of london bureau chief of the post in brussels, correspondent of the of the daily telegraph, and he basically made stuff up. I mean he he did. He made stories up, got them on the front page became kind of a star. He would find some little germ of truth or half truth and then concoct a whole sensational story about about the dastardly euro crats and what they were doing to to a little england and and and he'd sort of

Data failed up upward through his career until he became prime minister after knifing, Theresa may in the back- and you know you it's so his his his rise was, I was at was like that and then his fall is being accompanied by a bit of glee from us. A lot of is his enemies. It's it's interesting. The conservative party was willing to go along with boris. Much as the republican party has been willing to go on with donald trump as long as as long as the conservatives were winning, but I think the major factor here is it's not that that Johnson was dead,

am a different person. He believes the same person he always was with scandal after scandal lie after lie, but the conservatives, the the party was falling apart and- and it was so far down in the polls and finally, the the party had had it, and they realize that with Johnson as leader they were, they were going to suffer a crushing defeat. I'm going to say that no profiles and courage in the tory party, some people asking why this would happen in britain and not in the united states, because it serves politicians, the tories that conservatives and britain serve their. political interests to turn on johnson Many republicans in this country have not yet We that conclusion, which is why right now, obviously we seem to be too of a transition. Perhaps this is the future fate of

of donald trump, with with conservative, will not conservatives with republicans, but we shall Jonathan, we're really quickly quite a statement, quite statement from from Biden in the white house on boards. Johnson leaving office must said to wipe it here from my eye, it was so heartfelt. No comment happened is say: yeah, it's at whatever s, yeah, Biden, was asked about an event. Yesterday, indeed said it's part of the process, there goes and the light our statement itself made little mention of johnson just simply reaffirmed, the time when the EU s the uk will continue, certainly in wash in the grave concern, would be able to change at the helm at ten downing impact. The! U k is commitment to ukraine's defence. It seems like it would not be, regardless of who is succeeds johnson, but that this The smiling photo here taken last year at the G7 in cornwall, hosted by Johnson Biden and the outgoing

prime minister, not particularly call they got along fine aid, said in terms of their personal relationship, but binding is far far more of a kinship summers. Other world leaders and resisted Boris Johnson's declaration Did the seven last week in germany for all the world leaders to take off their sharks, threatening posted vladimir putin, Pierre, so that will probably be less likely to occur with Johnson successor, Yeah. Thank thank thank god for the discretion shown there. I so where we ve got a lot to cover the top and seven we're going to be talking The ambassador, united states ambassador japan, Rahm Emanuel manual also meagre on The story of Boris Johnson, an apple bomb, has an absolutely withering peace on Johnson. She has known him for a very long time.

The end. We also, of course, could be talking about. Mark Leibovitz is extraordinary piece also in the atlantic. This is sort of like this one. This is our land atlantic, nor is it out of our at last. I can get together. I guess, but we're also mark leibovich, is an extraordinary piece. We're going to be going through that. Looking at that as well on on the path like men, who have enabled donald trump to stay in power for as long as he has a lot of major events of world events to cover this morning will be following all of the new development out of japan following the assassination of food. Prime minister shins, though abbaye also ahead, brittany greener faces an uncertain future after pleading guilty to drug charges in moscow, texas, congresswoman, Sheila Jackson. Lee is involved in the diplomatic efforts to bring the basketball star home. She joins us next, plus its eighteen months since the attack on the capital and prosecutors are closing in

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it's all about the issues this country faces and how what's happening in washington impacts. All of us. You could watch meet the press now. Every weekday at four pm eastern streams free on NBC news now and it's available on all streaming platforms. Twenty nine pass, the our american basketball star, brittany, grinder, pleaded guilty to drug charges in russian court yesterday for plea coming on the second day of her trial there and more than four months after she was arrested at moscow airport, where brush They said they found they cause just containing cannabis oil in her luggage, one, honours attorneys told reporters after the hearing that greener admitted the vague cartridges work. hours, but said she brought them to russia on in national aid, because she packed in a hurry for minors, legal team also issued a statement riding in part by considering the nature of her case. The inn

significant amount of substance and be jeez personality and history of positive contributions to global and russian sport. The defence hopes at the play He considered by the court as a mitigating factor and there will be no severe sentence. Reiner faces to ten years in prison. Her next hearing is scheduled for next thursday will be following that, obviously joining us How, though, democratic, comes from Sheila Jackson lay of texas, she just returned from Europe where she was representing the: u s at the organization for security and cooperation in europe, she has been speaking out on behalf of Brittany grind We thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. What are you hearing about the possibility of brittany greener either? saving, are shorter sentence or being able to come home in any way, there's been apparently no contact between her

her family or very minimal? good morning, and thank you so very much for having me if I might offer my sympathy to the japanese people. The assassination I must say it is a clear the russian tradition. Legal system is worse than a paper tiger. there is no legal system, and I want Can you imagine that the charges against brittany greener smuggling the charging her as a major traffic of droughts. Frankly, what's happened to brittany and what ever happened in terms of what she ban had been in a court of law in the united states, a dismissal or equal as well. Had to happen this door of the man veteran daughter of Houston, a door of taxes. Is there to be a strategy. I started working on this issue about

five days after she was detained and mountain. Where would, by the way everyone should now it was, I would be in favour of the olympics and russia had been embarrassed, put amen, embarrassed by well being charges- and here he asked comes? I could get. We have written greener. A who time olympian w b, player, but, more importantly, as someone place seven years in russia. So here we are bogus charges and the worst treatment that you can have for independent you're in a change in the eye, of this plea two allegedly begin: the process. Russia will move her through what they call a trial. There will still be a trial and they still have resent witnesses. In the meantime, as met at the OECD, we made pronounced smith's about brittany about political.

Report me. What we want to do is to move expeditiously the negotiations, which will include a potential flop. That's what happened the huge brittany and wailing We are following so much breaking news this morning, including this. Please keep us put posted congresswoman, Sheila Jackson lay thank you so much for coming on this morning and coming up we're going to get an update on where prosecution stand. Now, eighteen months after the riot at the capitol, also ahead should Democrats cut president Biden, some slack washington, post com is Dana Millbank says they. Should he It's us next. In our next hour of mourning, Joe got major life expenses, but your bank

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I've been running a weave. We ve just sort of been sitting there creating duncan down I'd, say that they have our it's really bad fox, had a terrific june, despite losing ground to state aids, to the yankees, who seem like the greatest team ever put on gods green earth, but we have some at the wrong time lost, weathered the cubs lost to him through the rays, and now we open up this stretch

war games at home at fenway against the yankees. We then come here next weekend for three games: here's a play by tragic what our a pop up has shown up taxi, usually first basement catch that ball Joe just real they're. Usually they do when a pop up has have stated that they are to them. They tend to catch them early release. There was an important game right in vienna, drop a ball and the unfair that leaves you do it again we're nobody's watching. Yet you need to do to get the first game. Athens way this year against the juggernaut yankees for sixteen twenty three Raphael davers through the red sox, desperately to lock up to a contract extension he had to home runs, but he was our only bright spot and josh and note the finest more sixty five or run score on that botch. Pop up, that's right, the winning run, scored on that block pop up lose the first one of the yankees they play again tonight.

Play their mare now maidens appointed. Maybe they need to start winning some gave me. Can I make so nice and dress up so well for the news, and then you just dive, run into sport, brilliance and much else to do just because Joe dead today. Former president, drugs Whitehouse council pets, bologna is expected to give testimony maker at the january. Six committee sources tell NBC news that will happen in private and it will be recorded sip alone. He had an informal interview with the committee back in April. He is considered a critical witness, following testimony from former white house, aide Cassidy Hutchinson. The next hearing for the committee is tuesday morning, but it has not said who is testifying. Congressman Jamie Raskin tells politico, the focus will be evidence tremendous convergence of interests between the domestic, violent extremist groups and the broader mega movement

joining us now. Senor legal affairs rapporteur at political josh, first Dana's reporting on the situations of those who storm the capital Josh Where does things stand now? well, we got the job is not that the justice department has not been moving on these january six prosecutions, we're looking so far at about eight hundred and fifty five p. well, who have been arrested in connection with the events of january six, making this I far the largest investigation and prosecution of up a criminal event in in? U S, history and about forty percent of those people have already either plead guilty or been found guilty at trial. So it is a massive undertaking to the extent people have complaints about it. It's really about afforded

into the upper echelons of the trump orbit, not so much in the overall effort that the justice department is making which has been mammoth. John, since this dream robinson. Nor what do the does? A committee want to hear from tat super warning. He probably will not talk about his direct conversations with president prompting my claim executive. Probably lawyer, quiet, quiet privilege: what can you tell them that need to know. Well, I think they want to see if he will verify key elements of capacity. Hutchinson very compelling a cow remember. She claims that passive baloney I told her that they were going to be charged with all kinds of crimes in fraud and obstruction of justice and so forth if they allowed president try to go forward with his plan, to visit the cap at all on january six. Presumably, after that, the rally that he held there

which did not happen, but the question is: will he show that her account is accurate? It's come under attack by various people. since she delivered a week or so ago, and so that that I think the primary thing not be looking for simple, He walked testify as we understand it. As you say jean about his direct contacts with the president, their exact conversations, but it sounds like he will talk about what he said and did with other people in the white house, and it would be pretty significant to hear that. Concern from hamburg to remember this is that tromp oil is through, and through I mean he d d the drop in that impeachment hearings, and so he's someone who clearly in the president's corner, politically, by to hear these concerns about potential criminal charges against the white house. Staff will be pretty dramatic, as the testimony comes forward from it.

So just tell us, if you will the role this testimony videotaped as, as you said, could play in the general six committee hearings next week. We know the one on tuesday is scheduled to be about. tromp worlds ties to hate groups like the prob boys old keepers, but it seems this may fit and more to the other one thursday, which moment slated for prime time potential Even the finale the committee's presentations, how central they think supplies testament task will be to that it can be pretty central. To that I mean ass. The bologna had his hand in a lot of different things. Ample this issue of the coup at the justice department? Remember, the president was toying with the idea of replace the attorney general, which would probably or the acting attorney general which probably would have resulted in the resignation of everybody at the justice department, said bologna was directly involved in that activity. So he had a hand in

According to that counts of people, we ve talked to resisting a lot of aspects of present, trumps effort them fight back against his lots and the november election, and so I think it could be a very pivotal role, but your correct Jonathan doesn't seem to fit exactly The tuesday hearing on the us keepers and proud boys, it seems more to fit with the broader themes of that committee, perhaps going into some sort of a wrap up profile wrap up hearing that they may be trying to stage.

A fair legal affairs reporter at political, just gerstein. Thank you very much and coming up, we continue to cover the assassination of former japanese prime minister Sharon, so coming up at the top of the hour, will be speaking, live with the ambassador to Japan wrong a manual he'll be joining us live on this breaking story again: shin so bay, former prime minister longest running prime minister of Japan assassinated point. Blank range men walked up to him and shot him twice. While he was out a political event, rama manual will be joining us momentarily to talk about what this all means and give us any more updates on what happened. We'll be right back with much more morning, Joe

just about ten minutes. Before the top of the hour. I live. Look at the white house in washington d c, the sun coming up over washington, some mark labour, which has a new essay in the atlantic, entitled the most pathetic men in america, its adapted promise, What's coming book, thank you for your servitude and in it leave of its takes a look at what he calls the quote, slavishly devoted republicans, whom trump drew to his side. He writes in part this it's been said before, but never can be emphasised enough without the complicity of the republican party and Joe. This is a point you ve been making. All along donald trump would be just a glory. Geriatric fox watching gopher Ivan scores of these collaborators trying to understand why they did what they did and how they could live with that. These,

the cabin mccarthy's and the linsey gram sent all the other busy parasitic suck up sue made the tromp era work for them, humor and indulged in all the way down to the last exhaustive strains of american democracy, liberty rights in part, this I've known both men grammar. Fourthly, for years they are ache, sickly, washington type fun to be around star, struck and desperate to keep their jobs or get better ones to maximize their place in the all important mix. On various occasions. I've asked them in so many words how they could sidle up to tromp like they have them basically, is that they did it because it was the savest course because it was best for them. Nearly all elected republicans in washington needed trunks lessing and voters to remain there. People like mccarthy and grand benefited a great deal from making it work with true

for managing the relationship. As they say, I could get trouble I found faster that and a staff person who worked for him could get them on the phone mccarthy bragged to me there was always a breathless racing quality to both men's voices when they talked about the thrill ride of being one of trump's guys You know it's. It's fascinating, this great peace and and in what's a fascinating. Is that chaz relationship there with both both there. The two republicans profiles, Kevin Mccarthy, analyzing ground and he's got them to to be quite honest through the years about how transactional their relationship with is banned. A a solvency ground. We said we basically basically for attacking donald trump, harder than anybody else did and twenty sixteen. How can you be such a sick event to him unless he said? How could you

How could you do the ascent linsey said? Well, if you know anything about me, it would be hard for me not to do that, and this is try to stay relevant and what you know me good. So interesting is I mean I'm not lindsays, it's ninety four yeah and I mean lindsey just This wanted to be at the centre of things, really there's certain moments in his career, where he kind of stood up for people, and now I mean, if I show meadows safely, if it does it where the wind will and so does lindsey I mean you know. Maybe I guess was ninety six. Ninety seven, we had a coup attempt against you'd gingrich and twelve of us sort of the red hot. The true believers is, as we're called extremists s as a lot of Republicans call us would have secret meetings and lindsay would then always been Lindsay's office, and I never understood why it was in his office because he wasn't a true believer. I mean he just really didn't care for us.

Throughout the deficit? It is about the debt, it was about smaller government, and just lindsay didn't really care about a bit. Somehow the meetings were always it'll lindsays place and have these secret meetings, and I we just started noticing that every time we shut up the secret meetings, we had to walk through members of press on both sides of the hall, and we found out that linsey would have these secret coup meetings against new gingrich analysed You always taxi. He told the press at the time and place here during the meetings in its boy like lindsey you gotta, stop telling the press were our secret. Meetings are somebody's say, lindsay a nice guy, but I wouldn't want in guarding the pentagon, but they went from vat to being John Mccain's bats, following John Mccain around when you thought that served his interests and then, of course,

became, didn't think much of us, those of us going after gingrich in that zone, because we were again, we were seen as being too and so on on budget issues, and then he went the mccain. Then jean Robinson just like that when trot get elected, after crashing throughout two thousand. Sixteen he became sick of vat, again with the lindsey. Has nothing to do with issues that, just as Wednesday, entails a leave of age and that's what so extraordinary about this week. He admits it. I if, as the only cares about being at the center of things being relevant

it's all transactional, it's all situational lindsey graham's a senator to be a senator. I mean that's basically it to an andy and mccarthy and others rationalize this by saying. Well, you know it. Let's me, I still have a seat at the table. I'm still able to you know to to to influence events and policies, but but to what end, what do they believe in? If anything, what do they actually still believe in american democracy, or is that also sort of an optional feature that you can between decide? Not to not to include was your package I mean it is it is. It is incredible and what this dereliction of duty on the part of of of these elected,

republicans has done it. It is also sort of allowed the the republican base because they won't level with the republican base. It won't tell the truth, and it is allowed the republican base to to to to also for go off the reservation, and you have this entire party now from base to the top. That is, that is, that is really out of control. Yet still has a lot of power. It is. It is astounding, but horrible situation for apple. This item to be ones when things have never understood about the republican party. I just talked about our coup against new gingrich gingrich's. stir republican, speaker and forty year say, and that certainly wasn't it You'll move to make my district tell the whole meetings Well, then, why it had happened, they said. Ok, I mean is

loved, but they understood and that's the thing these republicans of never levelled from from beginning to end about trump and so big with these two make up that. The reason why focuses on these who look at them on january that sex, they both speak out against donald trump lindsey, says he's done what tromp you have kept mccarthy. You says that that that should be removed from office, said he's going to tell drop that he needs to be removed from office, and then he gives scurrying down to moral argo. And and again returns to being a sick of fat. Absolute shame again after the guy on the left pride overthrow

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