The republican party is the party of law and order already stands with the men and women who serve on a thin blue line at the federal and state and low. the level tax. On the f b, I must stop also defined the f b. I just as wrong is calls to define the police. to remind my fellow republicans We can hold the attorney general accountable for that vision that he made with. Attacking rank and file law enforcement personnel at the fbi Former vice president, my pants calling on fellow republicans to stop attacking the fbi over the search of moral. Go, and it's not just the f b. I will explain how violent rhetoric from the geo be. Also.

I address agents endanger. Meanwhile, a court hearing is scheduled for today on the request to unseal the affidavit used to search done trump's marilla go home will have new reporting on where that investigation stands plus new polling in the fight to control the senate from a tight race in ohio to the democratic in wisconsin. Expanding has led over republican RON Johnson the latest numbers for you this morning good morning and welcome to morning Joe, it is thursday august eighteen so Joe with looking had to a big hearing today and a lot of political waves turning to sort of form out of this three. They are I'm curious. What do you think of my princes speech? It feels it

feels like he's looking for a lane. I believe his speech. Well, I, if I'm not correct, was in new Hampshire. Was it not was? Yes, it was that when that would be kind of the, I think that the real story there is, what are you doing there, and there is obviously may be a long game being played here. I don't want to go. I have to get ahead of anything well, but just taking it on the surface, that was my pants talking the way conservative juice to talk. I I've been. We ve been discussing the less couple days about the fact that reply We can see that I have known my entire life, friends and family members talking over repeating. full speech from republican legislators, calling republicans. Hunger, sir men and women calling yeah fbi, the gestapo and its having a real impact in your ear hearing. More and more in these calls for civil war, you hearing it

muttered under the brow of people who ve for bob dull and John Mccain. The radicalization is coming from the top down and it continues to come from the top down and great example of this really is a four it we're we're talking about the fbi and how Publicans now want to defend the police. According the a lot of these voices. We hear and extreme radicals who used to be mainstream republicans, who are now talking about replacing the? U S, government. This is now moved over to the irs, where you actually have public and senators, powerful republican senators, member, congress republican members of congress leaders talking about the irs a r fifteen and going door to door and knocking on doors its please lie completely fabricated. It gets

I dont know who set it out on a their blast, fax machine and set it out, but it came out the day that republic, started to back off. On the surge, because a trump people say listen. This could be really bad, so you we may want to buy gotta. This narrative immediately this I arose stories of irish agents carrying air fifteen's king on small business people's door again from the most powerful republicans in the senate. And the house of representatives story making its way around, and so of course, threats now going up. It's a lie. It's another conspiracy theory, but this point de my guide. Its end by the I'm? Hearing from? I can't I wish I could now. I have used the word before here: I'm hearing it from the idiots

I have known my entire life so yeah. Well, what about the ira is coming to small business owners doors where they are fifteens, and how do you respond to that lie? It's just I've been saying since four Two years now people these lies on chinese conspiracy websites. chinese religious cults, conspiracy websites, they read them their websites, a member, of congress says something about it. And they won with a lie, and in this case it's it's a lie that inspires even more violence against workers for the united states government. It's it's on american, its unpatriotic, and it's just its you're a christian and I'm dead and find it hard to believe that you'd be doing all of this stuff if you were, but if your christian, it's on christ like to be going around lying and spreading violent rhetoric against people

working for the united states government. it's a wild conspiracy theory. People are going to think you're, making this up Joe we're going to dig into it later. It's out there and it's. As you say, it's been elevated to two prominent united states senators talking about eighty seven thousand, I r s agents who will be added because of the inflation reduction act and some of them according to the conspiracy theory, with weapons threatening small business owner. So obviously we know what the climate is right now we know that people are prone to violence, they're open to it, see january sixth, and to put that it is beyond irresponsible and ass. For my pants Joe, it is such a statement in such a commentary on such an indictment of the state of the republican party that its even noteworthy that the former As president I say it's has to command, say: hey leadership of europe a working party. Let's stop it packing. The f b I and threatening them. We just had a guy shoot up the Cincinnati field office with a nail gun and had an a r fifteen, let's during that now he said. Look shore.

We should question the justice department, so he's not completely clean on this because he doesn't like the re but he's at having to go out and say, but stop attacking the fbi on that's a bad idea. Nigger. They believed that is something that has to be said and which is, as I said, an indictment of the party right now it really is with us. We have the host of way to or away and white house biagi that politico jonathan LE mayor and former aid to the george w bush white house and state departments, Elise, Jordan. She isn't msnbc political and we ve got a lot to get to today, including a hearing on whether to answer el. The search warrant affidavit from marilla go. That hearing is set for one p m today it come. Ten days after the search of donald trump home too low enforcement officials. Tell NBC news the f b. I is still sifting through the seized documents, separate

those determined to be covered by attorney client privilege from those that are relevant to the case. Let's bring it then be seen newest correspondent covering national security and intelligence hen Delaney in and can what are the chair as there'll be decision to unseal it. It seems to be a highly con financial, kay in terms of national security from were hearing. So far morning make a year from everything we can tell. There is very little chance that this document is going to be unsealed end, even if by some remote possibility, the judge decides to conceal a portion of it today. The justice department would then ass to black out portions that. your sensitive, and so there will be a problem there are say, judge these react, these proposed actions, so it won't. We won't see anything today. What we, I think, the best we can hope is that we may learn some

the things when we listen to the d o J prosecutor stand up in court and free emphasize to the judge. They already did it in writing, but say it orally today why they want to protect this document as they say that it would a real release of it would compromise an ongoing criminal investigation of grandeur. Investigation involving multiple witnesses and they said investigative techniques. So I think what we're hoping to learn as new insights into how big this investigation is and where it's going meagre little american area, the question the can about to get away quick one for you. There were there was talk yesterday, the dung I was thinking about releasing security footage, the surge and then some people close to him said odo odo to do. That is a good idea. Boss. There are a lot of

Alex? Is there to the grill, and so now maybe they're pulling back? What can you tell us about that and that mysterious voice said Donald trump yeah? It sounds like trump's hired from the old neighborhood there to help him out down at mar a lago. Yes, that is true. There were some people that trump himself in some in his orbit did suggest they want to put out the video there's a lot of cameras up at moral ago, as you might expect thinking that it would display the f b I abusing your power and traipsing all over the carefully lawns and the croquet sat and others close to him said no, that's a bad idea, because it will also reveal just how

boxes of stuff are coming out, and this may undermine their argument as to how this would look, so they have opted against that at least for now. Although you never know keep an eye on your truth, social accounts can Delaney and wanted to ask you, though we obviously will learn more about the contours of the investigation. If the affidavit is unsealed at one o'clock, but everything we know about attorney general garland and his just department is the he moves very methodically. He moves very carefully. There's been some reporting this week that he took weeks to sign off on whether to go ahead with this search. So with knowing that we, that is the backdrop we have any Ass people, you talk to just timeline we might be operating here as to when the decision could be made. as to whether any data may come for the former president We really do our job because there's a couple of Mr Sharon one is: when does the clock start where the justice department decides, is inappropriate to take action before an election and does not apply in this case, since Donald trump is not on the ballot

I've talked to the oj officials about this. Is that it's a grey area. It's really not clear and ended sort of a statin situation. you're absolutely right. I confirm the reporting that garland took. We considered this decision and took as many as a couple of weeks to have high level meetings with senior dj officials and with f b, I director christopher wray and some people, portrayed. This is dawdling indecisive, most most people. I talked about this, those it. This is incredibly momentous decision and it's perfectly normal that garland considered this. Sometimes. It also suggests that this again I have said this before this is not really just about the urgency of getting back classified documents is about more than clearly said as much in their affidavit now there's an ongoing criminal investigation and an end we're looking at here again is donald trump. Didn't pay these boxes himself. He didn't bring these documents and while I go by himself so there may I'll, be other people who have criminal exposure and that will

it's time to unfold, you know that we may see the justice department doing the classic thing that they do, which is going after that lower level people in trying to flip them against higher level people and then just one thing: Jonathan, on your point about the surveillance camera, the thing that about that? That's actually rather troubling. Is the fbi asked the trunk folks to turn those off because they wanted to put a they didn't, want the faces of their agents to be unkind. And from what I understand the trump people find to do that and continued to film was at the age. Yes, it is Apes are definitely out there right now, while that piece of the justice department investigation is going on. There is a new development in d, o j, separate probe into the january six attack on the capital. The new york times is reporting federal prosecutors, issued a grand jury subpoenaed to the national archives, ff All the white house documents it gave to the january six select committee. Meanwhile, in that new Hampshire speech former vice president, my pen said he would consider

speaking with the house select committee investigating the attack on the capital if he were asked, if the an invitation to participate. I would consider it beyond It ended in history, for vice president to be summoned the test, on capitol hill, but, as I said, I don't want to prejudge running formal, invitation rendered to us we get. due consideration, so at least there are a lot of ifs in there, but the headline was: if he were asked, he would give it consideration. We don't know if he'd do it under oath, if you would just go, have a conversation, but obviously it goes without saying he's. A central figure to this investigation would be hugely significant if he did sit for for an interview, what was an interesting move from pants and now with the committee's move in its in their court because, basically he's signalling I'm open to it. I would like two, he tasted he brought it

and so next month, who seems likely to be a featured speaker at the next episode of the january six commission mike pence. It sounds like he is ready and he wants to and he's using this moment to define himself against trump and the lawlessness of january. Sixth. Well speaking, yeah rudy giuliani testified yesterday before a grand jury in georgia. That is looking into efforts by former president trump and others to overturn the twenty twenty election he spent, six hours at the courthouse in atlanta, but it is not clear what questions he answered the former. Personal attorney for donald trump, told the far right news outlets earlier this week that he would likely invoke attorney private privilege asked about the former president joy eyes. Testimony comes days after he was told he was a target and the criminal investigation of alike

an interference, so can the purity of you, you ve, heard any reporting from george. If you can help us out here, if you're, pleading the fifth that usually doesn't take six hours at the same time, if giuliani is now a target of a criminal probe, I guess it's just a lawyer me. I don't really know how it would serve him legally to go in there and blabber for six hours. I think most attorneys, who tell him plead the. up and we'll talk, we animal will figure out what our defences when they bring the charge is. What can you tell us Clearly, your legal training is at the forefront of your brain. Still Joe, because that's absolutely what every every this in no way or tells me, and we don't have importing from on what happened in that room, but its very possible that they just required him to answer every single question that they had so It may be that he pleaded the fifth six hundred times over six hours

They've done that with other witnesses, as have federal grand juries don't know, but it's it's really to believe. He answered any substantive questions, given his enormous legal exposure that we can all see in front of our face, and given that he's been told that he is a target of this investigation so what I want to know what inside it's just the mere. Can you give us about ready, giuliani? georgia case and his his lots of his part in the big lie. I know you pushing the big life from the very beginning after the election, and there were a lot of tromp attorneys inside the white house trying to keep keep him away. From donald trump soap. So much of this, so much of this and other most, trump insiders will say so much of this began with Rudy giuliani, telling donald trump being the only person who would tell Donald trump close to him what he wanted to hear. So what Can you tell us about, is possible exposure

giuliani excluded from the trouble ministration. The early days made it clear to the then president. He was always happy to do the dirty work. He, of course you played the role of smoke machine during the mahler investigation and then, of course, travel to ukraine and basically got down trump impeached for his efforts there to try to extort its presidency lansky and his government to get damaging information about Joe Biden and his family, and then that, of course, lead to trumps first impeachment and then after the during the election Joanna was sorry it and then, of course, in his role as personal attorney was one of those long list, any pow, Michael flint and a few others who really push these conspiracy theories that in those days after the election, the west wing hollowed out people starting to look for new jobs. There was a covert outbreak, giuliani and his ill can basically free reign of the oval office. They were pumping these conspiracy theories into tromp was more than happy to hear them and Julia. They became the point person publicly. We all remember that use conversely orange late when the haired I came down his face and he would go to state legislatures in court house across the country and outside talk about you

this election was stolen, but that inside not exactly testify, same, but georgia is interesting here because he did talk to state legislatures, their legislators and prosecutors say he lied that he presented false evidence here and he has real exposure. There is a real sense that charges could be coming he's named a target at any time postscript the associated press found him on his return to new york last night being wheeled through an airport in a wheelchair. he simply said that he he asked satisfied the obligation to to be there from prosecutors, but did not go into details any further. He would not say if he took the fifth or how many times got the job. So we don't know what rudy giuliani said, but we know he was in there for six hours, which is a long time, and the other point to make here is that we know from the last year and a half or so or two years really giuliani will be. Brash will make big claims in front of a microphone with the hair died, ripping down his face. All of those events we see, but when the screws,

put to him when he goes into a federal court in pennsylvania, for example, and the well judge confronts him about what evidence he has he goes well. Actually I don't have any evidence and this isn't a fraud case. After all, I know I said all those things outside the court so point being. He makes these defences in these big claims on behalf of donald trump it's his rear end on the line in front of a judge each and tends to have it a different tone to change changes, story, Well then, that sort of vast setting about why the what happened during these six hours again, I could imagine any attorney suggesting the rooney giuliani than it has to fight for six hours in front of a grand jury whose considering criminal charges against him, I suspect kins- probably right that may be they just walking through question If question took breaks, never lot awaiting and and and and maybe they just dragged it out a little bit when you were so ride,

the attorney and rudy giuliani. There is still one in there. The attorney inroads giuliani was always careful enough outside of federal court houses after launching wild conspiracy theories about widespread voter fraud, to go in and when he understood that that he actually could be held in contempt of quarter are, could be sanctioned past this board. He actually usually left that outside and during the press, conferences and say no, we are honoured, we're not alleging any instances of widespread voter fought in this case. Make I gotta say giuliani, and this is this- is just based on actually well, based on what I heard from the trump people back in two thousand and sixteen from trump and the trump people themselves, when he was considered as secretary of state, they were even saying back, god was six years ago,

that really giuliani had lost a few steps that he was not. The intellectual power than he had once been thought that he was added The times I only say this to say he find himself in an especially precarious legal. Position right now and I would suspect, I would say, actually the last thing again. Let me circle back and say it one more time. His lawyers would want him doing his rambling on incoherently for six hours chances Would do him no favors if there is in fact a criminal trial that is coming up, so we shall see what happens and then there's this former trump organization. C. F, o Allen, weisel Berg is expected to plead. today, two fifteen counts of fraud and tax evasion. Weissenburg was this they charge words participating in a year's long scheme to help officials in the trump organization avoid paying

axis people with now of the matter. Tell the new york times as part of his plea deal, why sober could be called a witness in the company's trial this october and would have to testify about his role in this scheme. He's not expected to implicate the phone president or his family if he takes the stand and news also had this reporting earlier this week, weisel Berg is expected to receive a five month jail terms, but with credit for good. Hey you're! He will We only serve part of that social can walk is through the science of the questions that have been writing the needle abed committed all of these. These felonies Inter one talk about the fan, laying bare and- and I would plead again stir I'll testify against the trump organization, but not will I'll testify against styled. Tromp personally seems like he's threading a needle there. What can you tell us.

Yeah and perhaps successfully for him. I mean I mean five months. You know what even less he could do standing on his head as his the old saying goes, and he seems to have escaped this thing without giving process is what they want and which is the the money again style problem so that they can buy. Let me get this question that, like why would prosecutors if they had in dead? The centre on on all of these counts on fifteen counts? What where they give em five lines. Is it possible that he actually gave them some information that would help them in their prosecution of donald trump? privately bed said I'm not going to testify against them openly and in for this speculation, but I just and figure out how this, I could have skated like this unless he had, I mean he turned on tromp in some way and given information set I'll, give you this information privately I'll. Tell you where to go. I'm just not can testify against him or his family in court.

That's an interesting theory. I mean, I don't think we can rule it out, but my my colleague tom winter, who is an expert on this case and has done a lot of reporting. Is really under the impression that he's not giving them what they need on trump and ethic one of the reasons perhaps for that for the sort of three sentences that these counts, the case that the prosecution has brought against was. Work has been roundly criticised by sort of tax professionals and lawyers who who practices. This area is kind of the kind of thing that a lot of companies do in its rarely prosecuted. This you hiding come through different kind. Payments to avoid paying taxes on certain compensation. It's it's sort of it and it's a thing where they They brought this case because they are really interested in getting wise words cooperation, but Seven back. I don't. We should also remember it's not insignificant if the trump organization is convicted of a crime. could have serious repercussions for its ability to borrow money. Could really, you know, could really put a cramp in some,

jumped and his family's real estate dealings and business dealings, but again not the prize. The prosecutors we're looking for, all right, NBC news, correspondent covering national security and intelligence, can Delaney and thank you very much Still I had on morning, Joe donald trump is reportedly piling up campaign cash after bombarding his supporters with emails, donations. Following the f b, I search of his like a home how they added letters, sort high everybody I removed see it classified formation regarding national security from the white house Please send five dollars. Yeah expel discussed what he intends to dealing with that money, talks that this is taking greeting to a new web. meanwhile more on what we were discussing at the top of the show top members, the republican party warning americans, the irs is coming for them with guns plus republic.

Nominee for pennsylvania's senate see. Doktor OZ is asked how many houses he owns his response, it's to another memorable online video from his democratic opponent will show it to you. I had on morning joe we'll be right back and there's meter sales of stuff, the

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one for the senate in pennsylvania, Dr Oz, to the question on the campaign trail. How many houses do you own? The question did come from a democratic campaign operative, as you heard us said, he quote: legit mentally owns two homes, the other ones I rent, but the deal these reports, public run, I show he does own at least ten properties. They include mentions in new jersey in florida, assent thousand square foot country, house and pennsylvania couple condos in manhattan, and yes, those properties in turkey, Joe yeah why things are going grade? I he apologized for a crude its day, just stopped in a grocery store, meek and now. Let me tell you when you were apologizing. before using that word crude trash campaign.

I first of all, I would not use the word ever crudity I, and it is because they don't know what it is I was I created, is that a sport, and so but yeah okay, so the video bouncing around with, let me explain the harvey family feud and ten from that veteran campaign. Routed to the video of DR oz shopping for fruity tai at krohn, Wagner's is turning. Wrench Guns are turning out to be very profitable for his democratic opponent, John fatter, here's that video back in April. That has just gone absolutely viral

that is a grocery shopping, I'm at work nurse and my wife wants some vegetables protruded day right. So here's a broccoli, that's two bucks. A ton of food here are some asparagus. That's four dollars: yup carrots. As for more dollars or ten dollars of vegetables there, and then we need some guacamole, that's four dollars more and she loves salsa. Yes, also they're. Six dollars must be a shortage of salsa, guys, that's twenty dollars recruiting this doesn't include the tequila. I mean it's outrageous. We got Joe Biden to think this ok, so people than Joe Biden for everything you run out and planning jo Leinen for cruelty. Che issue, as apparently amending for the video to highlight high prices at the grocery store. But the message that was lost on laws appears to me stop the names of grocery chains, red nerves,

workmen's saying shopping at crow, Wagner's uses, the term credit pay for what many simply call vegetables on a tray. Oh that's! What a veggie tray yeah I've had a veggie tray reminds of vegetables on a trial. You can get razzies for like seven. Ninety nine! You just go when you get the where's, your veggie tray in the betterment of john fundraising opportunity and the chance to continue his claim that a one on the carrots and like we're off to the races, tell ya folks in pennsylvania. Aren't talking about crudity at mall, and it is pretty ridiculous governor waste lemon addition stickers for his campaign and continue making jokes on twitter about the gaff time. Charlot alter, reported ferryman raised more than five hundred thousand dollars in the last couple of days, including sixty five thousand dollars other wagner. Sicker alone has responded yesterday, appearing on newsmagazine defend himself,

splain his flooding of the grocery stores name, but it does get to the full There is doctor oz relating both to the everyday heart working american there in pennsylvania. This, I ruled by sleeves up my whole life. That's what my lay spit about you know about it. joke about, accrue to tat, which is a way of speaking about how ridiculous it is that you can put vegetables on a plate in the middle of campaign will do whatever we need to do to make sure that people of pennsylvania respect but we're about, and it will go work as hard as we can to fix their problems. That my whole life is what I can t do. I challenge my What have you done? Rolling you're, sleeves up In your own, like to make life better for the people pennsylvania to fix it out I, but I just for those watching in pennsylvania. You know opportune, There are many people are about their groceries. What happened with wegg men's and wagner's? Can you explain that to them. yeah. I was exhausted with campaigning eighteen hours a day.

got my kids names wrong is well, I don't think that's a measure of someone's ability to lead the common way. I don't know that actually the main street in its Not least when you say I camera right gives names Toby at least remembered some ranch dep those vegetables that he claimed by it in place. Prices is just I you can tell he's just he has been in a grocery store, meares and frankly, but please been on some wacky diet to boot, not even limiting beds we'll take it wouldn't surprise me so wow gesture I've done less whatever your republic king, consultant managing this one, because it, where only gonna be an interesting ride, All of them. Really, I mean me now. I guess we can look forward to stickers being on

It's a sections of high end grocery stores across america, thanks Joe Biden but like why didn't his folks on his campaign say? Did that really is too much jon Jonathan Amir was just telling me when he goes out to prepare shortcuts keyboard for a wednesday night watching the red sox celebrate the chanteuse getting very expensive and you've been blaming Joe Biden for that as well having you, but truthfully, it's a. painful campaign to watch it again. First of all that know that perverse filming that and say hey, hey sir, when we ve got to say vegetable. Let's take, let's take this from the top. Ok, we got all the time, but in fact they have the houses he spent the summer abroad. John futterman, it's just back on that pain, trail and the contrast of John futterman, a guy in a hoodie sweatshirt out shaking hands, actor as in a grocery store. Talking about crudities stark

and burrata of prizes soaring days, Joe Biden. No, it is. It is certainly this is how you let that campaign video hit the air when he gets the name of the ghost or wrong he's awkwardly all all visuals in his hands, as opposed to using some sort of and and then of course, using words that most pennsylvanians or americans, probably dorothy is perhaps that's said. That's the term turkey as popular as is there, but more than anything else. This is something john fishermen who suffered a stroke a few months ago has basically been invisible in the campaign trail for months he's just started in recent days coming back out again and his pole. Numbers are only soaring because the more people see of doctor oz, it seems as if the less they like him- and this is yet another example of a donald trump endorsement of of where he could have gone for a far more mainstream kennedy and I d mccormick prob, who would probably a much better chance to win, and this, like partial walker in georgia, practice. Eighty events in ohio- these are seats. This rob against could have one, maybe the one easily this november and their lives.

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at summer morning, pjs dialing them up this morning, yeah there's that from co workers to capitol police officers to F b, I agents the modern day republican party has seemingly left no stone unturned in recent years when it comes unleashing violent rhetoric against public servants and now there's a new I get the parties attacks iris employees in russia weeks, a baseless conspiracy theory, propagated by top geo pay leaders, has spread to all levels of the report. Public and party it's a lie response, into the new funding for the irish and the recently passed inflation reduction act republic, have united around a lie that eighties, Seven thousand armed irs agents will soon come breaking down the doors of middle class americans in reality, most of the new funding will be put towards hiring desk.

First to enforce tax laws against the highest, paying americans or richest americans, but that hasn't stopped. Keep republican voices from spreading lies about a federalized militia. Are they going to have a strike force? It goes in www k, fifteen's already loaded rate to shoot some small business person, and I work is the irs gearing up for war in our country is Nancy Pelosi trying to start a nuclear war in asia? Is there now by the national security state to stoke violence in a civil war. Here at home those I r S, agents are designed to come after you. They are not designed to come after the billionaires and the big corporations they're designed to come after small businesses and working families, they're going to go after the mom and pop they're going to go through the small business person, the independent contractor, the uber driver, and they are going to focus on basically to the country that don't

the poor weather regime, is trying to do let's bring. An ambition. Is border in college has been tracking the spread of this far right conspiracy, theory and then arise where this now. So one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you today about this, as I had deb, which had talked about on the show. Yes to really disturbing discussions with people, I've known one. Family member. I've done my entire life talking about civil war, and another conservative thought leader in Washington dc was always been responsible. Doll It's been a bit small c conservative we've agreed on most things. and he also was talking about civil war. Talking about how the united states government was not sacrosanct and could be replaced, civil war and of the conversations one keep talking points was that area

Seven thousand irs agents are going to be armed with a our fifteen's and they're going to be coming to kick down their doors so that new, as but tat killer lie a spectacular, conspiracy theory but I must say most of these conspiracy theories and lies that for federal employees at risk are spread by backpack pinchers This lie is being spread by top report. The top republican allows some of the top republicans in the senate and and Charles grass late king, are they coming with? loaded, our fifth teens, ms mckenna. What what are you going to do about this mitch are coming with loaded, a or fifteen's domain when papa houses market? ruby s. Writing about an egg kevin dorothy and all

is doing. I don't have to explain it to you and forgive the red, I'm trying to explain to my viewers. Why we're having this discussion right now, it's just putting more people's lives at risk. because of this conspiracy, very where the hell did this conspiracy theory star are not always in the judges of the internet, but the differences between now and several years ago. All the gmp lawmakers are in an as they're they're thoroughly fine with it. So, let's say, for example, jade helm in two thousand and fifteen jade helm. Is this conspiracy theory that texas is be taken over by Barack Obama who wanted to take the government permanently. He wanted to run for a third term or something so he was getting all these military contractors together to quietly over taxes the fifteen ted the got, can allow phone calls about this because

infowars all the time. It was a huge thing in militia circles. So this was, you know it was finally happening. They were finally coming to take your guns, but TED cruz went and said you know I called the pentagon. There's not there's really nothing going on here. Guys, don't worry about it. The difference is now ted cruz is trying to emphasize that cruz is trying to say the irs's coming after you, specifically the ira as part of a of a larger mob, and that The difference now is those in force, ideas that used to exist x exclusively on what you know on on the extreme, far right the stuff on the end caps at the supermarket. That wasn't brought up and regular politics. That is the deal we now that's that's a huge part of what they do. They ramp up the fear they try to break down the walls between two different ideas, for example, idiot fbi is. It is, sat a searching, marilla outdated. There come after you with fbi agent, those two things coalesced into one big idea last week in its budget,

It suits their narrative that they're coming if they're coming after donald trump, there eventually going to come after you you know, ben, as you know, because you've looked into this, there is a division of the Or ass, it carries weapons and it has since nineteen nineteen for one hundred years, so I think that's where their digging deep to try to find some evidence, but that's not a new thing and was happening under donald trump as well. A couple of years ago, I guess The question is what this means to the base: the people who are hearing the voices of chuck, grassley and ted cruz and other members of congress whose words they follow and listen to very closely when the stakes are raised too, as they have been with the f b I search of moral ago. We are now at war with the government and you now have of cairo, saying in fact that govern is coming to your door. Armed ready for war be ready people online here when they hear those comments, yet they hear war, and these are severely spaces, about where the sun tik tok?

militias have taken to tick tock recently, specifically to recruit based on this thing people, people are holding up their guns and saying oh, come and take it basically debate to the eighty seven thousand iris agents ass. It is it is very viral, and it's very visual the way they talk about, It will come into their homes, does one linked in which is by sons ridiculous by in rome italy. Professional settings for this sort of stuff was not allowed previously. it's taking over that part of the party they bear. A large part of the european right now is We are convinced that there, as some sort of fashion take over of the united states and they're getting convinced of this because in a lot of ways their face. ideas are losing They are there resorting to threats and intimidation and integrity as an enormous problem for them below any gun part of this. The thing

It always been around there are, like you said there are to be arrested, are supposed to be description literally online is that people should be comparable, holding a gun and says it on that job description. Ass is one of several. kinds of jobs. Just like you know it, in the nba. Coach does a very different thing than a point guard in this case Some people do have to hold down the irs and they found that one job description and said: that's what What always eighty seven thousand people who come to your own? So it's the Russian disinformation tactic of you know find that grain of truth. we need to be working designation agent to use that attic anymore you ve, talked a couple of times throughout this segment about in the wars and its jones, you could say, is maybe the chief disinformation officer of all the consumer.

we think there is in this country because either it if it doesn't start with him, he amplifies it. Can you give us an update on what's happening with the sandy hook, parents and their case against ouch jones in connecticut yesterday there is, there is hearing to see if those that leaked phones about Alex Jones's from couple we let s give that broke some sort of law. The fact that his lawyers accidently leaked that to Thirteen of where's, because had medical information of the people in the commission. casing second case that is coming here. including psychiatric records of the sending of parents, which is pretty grim, that matter sort should not be letter and public and that's why they are facing some. That's it that's what sanctions or this the actual hearings of coming. This could be another much more. Would say, onerous.

trial for actions, because this is in the backyard of fascinating appearance, but I wouldn't I just want to ask you guys that he has made more money than ever unless theses at record sales selling those doomsday improper kits and its art because he was able to fund is also that lawsuit texts also important beginning. The fund is out of the mainstreaming of this idea that the government I take your stuff and the abuse of this time it is a very regular thought right now in the two european the palestinians planes C4, lasted jackets, and obviously joe the irony here, whatever it is, that they're gonna make it so the ira's our irish agents will need to protect themselves because their joining up all this hatred, its are the ones creating the danger. They already out. I mean, if you're an irish agent

you're, far less safe today than you were a lot of cap lithuania when rashly when fox and friends, and suggested that I address agents were going to come with air fifteen's loaded to people's front door in Why is it so extraordinarily reckless, a fact that Kevin Mccarthy, the head of the republican party, in the house, is saying the same thing spreading these conspiracy theories, As you know, this sort of talk is what, led to Oklahoma city. It's what has led to timothy mcveigh and after that happens, it's too late to back and say: oh, let's be responsible after it happens, and this is this is again this. What we were warning about the inflammatory rhetoric about this I, the legal search, absolute, we cap, warning and sure enough, a guy tries to break in turn ask me I

office field office now higher break through the. Ass with a nail gone shatter the glass and they go in and slaughter fbi agents. whether they are fifteen. May it's too late, Republicans after the next oklahoma city happens And that's why I had said chuck grant somebody I maybe maybe mitch cancer is something the chuck grassley about this, but somebody in the republican party needs to pull back on there's just like MIKE parents pull on the radical reckless talk regarding fbi agents in the funding, the fbi and calling them the gestapo and again I think it is an just got it. I just can't say they spent. This that happened just on wine contained online with some crackpots at the mainstream americans,

two in the same day. Talk about civil war and revolution in overthrowing the you, a government, because I address agents are coming to their house where they are fifteen's I mean yet his estates, and this is the republic nobody else is spreading. They're still republican party is spreading this right now, they're pudding, not only federal employees, it at risk, but you look. Pictures of oklahoma city and see who else died in that blast, vat What's is at stake here by the way I was in congress during a global city I that craziness that led up to it. We're there again, yet there people by the wager. Egypt, where the mainstream of applicants who are worried about were focused on action? They talk about. The other problem is any binding. They talk about that as an awakening them in a blueprint

You no more in the militia and extreme by rights basis, but they do that day. They talk about that as a as model for them because other than the whole, bombing millions of murder and have nightmares? Ragged think that that was too damn protest? The scary part of this entire thing is that we need entering a phase where violent action is. Is there a formal protest It is a scary time, and I just do I do want to say this If you are somebody who. One point in your life and if you just want to disagree with all drowned, but anything they After you next the idea that you are somehow saved because you are defending their conspiracy theories right now It will come to end the second that you stand on some sort of principle that goes against what they have to say.

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