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Paul NEWS, Jake Sherman, So today is the day. California, voters, will decide to keep Gavin Newsome or not, as the governor President Joe I was in California, lifestyle campaigning alongside Newsome Biden, encouraged residents, vote no in the states, gubernatorial recall and battle, a bit of a cough connected the top opponent in the recall, in Donald Trump, you keep trump. You keep devolution measure governor or you get Donald Trump Is not a joke, republican government blocking progress uncovered. Ninety was also It's a woman, anti worker climate denier. Who does believe choice. The choice should be absolutely clear:

Gathered notion, you have a governor who has the courage to allay Gavin. You have of Governor The states values gave and you have a governor to make sure down. Troms dark, destructive, divisive politics never finds a place in California. We may have defeated Donald Trump, but we have not defeated Trump ISM trot. This is still on the ballot in California. That's why it's so important! Not just for all. us here- forty million Americans strong in the nations largest and most populous state. But also to send a statement all across the United States of America. That tromp ISM has no place here and Tromp ISM. Will repeated all across the United States of America because work better than that.

Governor New Samir, meanwhile, is make a mention. The leading republican front runner Larry Elder appealed to his supporters to use an online form to report fraud, cleaned ahead, detective fraud, in the results of the California Recall election, resulting governor gather, Newsome, being reinstated as governor of the only problem on Monday, when the link was alive and elders campaign site election hadn't happened, yet or snow resulted in the least and elders Bill was out maintaining hours after, an easy to use, contacted the other campaign about the site. A disclaimer his campaign having funded the site, was added Let me say yesterday elder repeatedly refused to say whether he would accept the results of the recall election There are not u win or lose. Will you accept the results of the election tomorrow? I think we all ought to be looking at election integrity, no matter what you're a democrat and independent or republican, less all makes,

or that the election of the fair election told us all work together, no matter what the results are to make sure that the results are valid in the data and everybody who voted should avoid this all do that together is a commitment to accept, as it is only logical. Tomorrow's all do that together. That's all work together on both sides of the elder make sure that the election is a fair election. So this is what many people feared after Donald Trump Stoke the flames about the twenty twenty election. That Republicans would use that as a model for any election look like they were going to lose. The polling has Larry Elder and all the other challengers. Far behind now, Gavin Newsome that looked pretty tight about a month ago, he's opened up. Some space are now before the votes have been cast. Many of them before the ballots have been counted. Claims of voter fraud to explain away in a what potential election loss. What what whiners What what losers are either these poor little snow flags are going around. each time it looks like they're going to lose an election. They they say. Oh election got stolen there,

cheated ivy seriously. This is this. Is this? Is our I will you tell your your kids when they're playing a game play as hard as they can play it, and then, when the game's over shake the other teams, hand and and a big loser, and any here we have one after another after another Republican just waiting. It is, I guess, it is their strategy. They understand especially places like California that their their policy. you're just extraordinarily unpopular there on the wrong side, and so many issues there on the wrong side of vaccine mandates there on the wrong side of overturning constitutionally protected right in the state of taxes that seventy percent of american say they don't want overturned there on the wrong side. issue after issue there on the wrong side of January sex there on the wrong side of invent

negating the insurrection there on the wrong side of just about everything. So what new caddy UK they they, they of course they actually the ill liberal leader of Hungary, person that a lot of conserving surprising now and they love the fact that Orban has shut down eighty any This is from the press, love it he's based really taken control of the court's love that its longer a Democrat, it's no longer western style democracy there. That's what applicants, one in California? That's what Republicans want across the United States actions are only valid if they win, seven is what took a cost seem to want when he went hungry earlier right? This sum unvisited victual button fetters him. It's not what you'd think offers an american style- democracy what's happening in Hungary or in Poland for that matter either, but claiming

that the election was rigged before the election, as even happened has taken things too, a new low in California, but it is exactly Donald Trump Paper right. He spent the whole year before the election saying this is going get rigged it's a bit the same way. He kept telling his supporters right from the beginning. The press is the enemy of the people, you doing the same sort of thing you undermining the freedom of the press, but it gives your supporters for when you move to be able to turn round say well either this media was against us. That's what people used to say where they lost now they ve taken one step. Further candidates who are in the trunk bode. The election was Shelly stolen from us, you're not gonna, see the same kind of outcry across California, because you so far behind in the Poles and the California libertarian repulse interesting Republican Party in California is unlikely, I think, to behave in the same way. that the trumps supporters did on January to sit here and what

and they say, but it certainly mobile taken from Donald Trump playbook- I am, I guess, Trump like candidates are going to keep using that when they go into elections and start spreading before the election actually happened, so they can give themselves up for the result afterwards. more news happening right now. Moments ago, Democrats in the Senate unveiled and updated voting right spill. The freedom to vote. Act is backed by a group of eight senators, including Senator Joe Mansion of West Virginia. The bill is an updated version of a framework released by Senator mentioned earlier this year. The legislation is split into three sections: voter, access and election Ministration election integrity and civic pride separation and empowerment Democrats want to act fast majority leader Chuck shown were sad. He'll call a vote by next week.

public and lead war on democracy has only worsened in the last few weeks, most notably the governor. Texas recently signed into law, vile new voters, suppression build it ranks as one of the most draconian undemocratic in living memory mean, Partisans across the country are sharpening their needs for coming spate of vicious gerrymandering, which further threatens to divide our politics. This is unacceptable. So the Senate must act tend to hold a vote in the Senate as early as next week on voting rights. Legislation. Time time is of the essence, and, of course, Jake Sherman. If you're going to cure gerrymandering, or at least do vast fix it for going to implement a lot of these other changes. Democrats are so gonna need at least ten Republicans to join them in moving the bill forward and the fact that yeah, ray authorization of the civil Rights Voting ACT in two thousand. Six almost passed unanimously, but you

find one republican devote for these voting rights fails. You should tell us we're still whether its mansions bill are somebody else's bill. We're still a long way from this passing. Unless there is some major filibuster reform. he and Joe at the risk of being done on twitter all day, and this is a press release. I mean yes, it's important. The Democrats got fifty of their own laws, here's around this compromise, which was done by age, enclosure and Joe Mansion. They are still, as you know, ten republican short of gangs crossed the Palestine in a republican conference were not one looking. But I've spoken to her that I found, as leaves at anything like this, is necessary. So they're not even were singing from the same song sheet they're, not working from the same set of rules and unless there is some action to reward

filibuster, which you mentioned in your since cinema, have said until their eyes and blood if they are not interested in doing the message is not. This is just go to be a vote. That shows that all Democrats are on the same page, but this isn't closer to lie in any way shape or form is there any jump into mere any chance that asked Joe Mansion, is allowed to put out his bill. And to do all the things that he thinks needs to be done and if, the Republicans run over Mcgann dislike there. looking ran over him on the January six Commission He will work with the White House and others. I D put a filibuster reform package these four civil rights bills, that will do the same thing for civil spills that Mcconnell did for Supreme Court nominees. There is it

jail in fact, talks of a tentative intensified behind the scenes, the White House on this very shuddered matter. She raids. I've talked to say that though no foundation has been made. There is growing momentum within the curse the West Wing in the in the oval office to support. sort of Philip US, for change and work with those senators who have been resistant that mansion chief mama, but not alone. There are others, often mansion as we know, is the face of a group of more moderate democratic senators who have been resistant to perhaps say the size of the regulation package, or, in this case any change to the filibuster but yeah. as Jake says. This is this. This plant here is a is a press release. It doesn't really stand any chance of actual passage, we have no. We have heard from the president both publicly- and he is said privately to as close as advisers that he does not in support of a fool,

Abolition of the removal of the filibuster, but is amenable to some sort of change in amendment two to tweak to perhaps Mahina talking filibuster, which makes it more difficult to use were indeed reusing Some sort of narrow exception, changing it for a certain topic and, as he has said, the voting rights. This is the greatest the democracy since the civil war- and there have been deceived, Since now let us play out overcome more weeks, then. Yes, I think we may see more talks about trying to make that exception, to get something out there to protect voting rights. Their work on that there also work on paying for these big big bills. They're, talking about trillions of dollars, Democrats in the house presented a plan yesterday to pay for their social policy and climate change package by raising taxes by more than two trillion dollars. Large then wealthy people and profitable corporations. But this morning the New York Times airports that plan quote: stop well short of changes needed to dent the vast fortunes of tycoons, like Jeff bases and Elon Musk, or do you think

They closed the most egregious loopholes exploited by high flying captains of finance setting to go after the merely rich more than the fabric, the rich. Instead, the Times Report singer House Democrats up and to be more mindful of moderate concerns and their party than of its progressive ambitions. The focus on traditional ways of raising avenue brazen tax rates on income rather than targeting wealth itself to time continues. The bill dispenses with measures floated by the White House and Senate Democrats to tax well, to close off avenues that the Super rich have exploded, pass on a lifetime of gains to their heirs tax, free Democrats, caution. The proposal is likely to change is just that. One committee, as it makes its way, through Congress. Joseph the top marginal tax rate is proposed to be raised. The thirty nine point, six from thirty seven percent, but that, as you know, doesn't get at the way. These for wealthy and corporation and make their money and avoid taxes. Why,

and we see it every year. I understand. What's going on the wind you have in writing the tax bill for the Democrats in their concerned about me rights concerns. What do they want? Jeff bases and Amazon to keep paying zero dollars into is at a moderate concern or that Actually, a lobbyists concern has, over the past few years, there operations that have paid zero taxes in a year and in just over the past couple years, that includes Amazon Shit. rod a virus dealt Eli Lily Gm Good Year, Halliburton, honey, Honeywell, IBM, Netflix, Occidental, Petroleum, Owens, Corning cell force. You steal last year. Archer, Daniels, Fedex, Nike, on and on and on Moderates really concerned that corporations may actually have to pay

millions of dollars in TAT could write another bank zero, A brilliant errors are continuing to figure out how to pay little or nothing hedge fund, titans or paint. access lower rates than their clerical. Employees are the people who show for their bentleys, you think that's timid, Garee. You think that pop it. Now it's not look That's the fact billion airs capital. It doesn't get tax workers wages do so now regrets in Congress are saying we. to raise the taxes on blue or working, but Billy theirs alone, as they continue to amass capital and continue listen to me here. Listen to me here. everybody hates incur redistribution. That makes you are socialists. Doesn't it if your for a scheme that redistribute wealth. Will let me

you something and the world we live in over the past. Forty years has been the largest in redistribution scam in american history? and it's been the middle class that's been looted, while trillions keep flowing into the bank accounts of billion airs Did you hear what I just said What I just said, this whole income redistribution thing. We keep it. How you can raise taxes on people, because that income, redistribution, you're, a socialist! Well guess what the very people who are saying that the very people who are funding think tank settle say that the very people that are paying lobbyists to get the message out to say that the very people who are spending millions and millions of dollars, on lawyers and be a sun K Street who are saying that there are the people who have scammed. You verify

people whose monopolies can here now to be judged big, Jane Entity untouched all because they can buy the best lobbyists taken by the best lawyers they can buy. The best anvil answers on Capitol Hill across Washington, D C and cross Wall Street. Please, please, Democrats better than that tax capital take a doubt on the These super wealthy billionaires who keep accumulating keep amassing fortunes because you're, just when you're taxing income, a little bit more to present here three percent a year your you're missing the target. If you, if you will, to make this country of fairer place. If you want to get us back

to where we were before? Where there was it? Just such massive massive divergence between the super, wealthy and the rest of Americans after rewrite your tax plan, Cosette ones just lousy category, We ve seen the super. Wealthy accumulate fortunes, capital but all accumulation, that's not tax or tax ordinarily low rates, while people who work for a living people who have income keep getting still higher rates every year. It's kind of stunning that this is not a bigger conversation here in Washington and amongst the Democratic Party that taxi evidence and taxing capital taxing wells effectively. Rather, an income is action. The way you're going to make some kind of dent on what has been incredibly the growing inequality in this country, and you ve had people like war fit over the years who have said this, has

Stop the war above at one of the super wealthy people in this country has said you ve gotta, go off to wealth. You have to go off to dividends because just not fair that here? is paying, as he says, less than his secretary is paying in terms of taxes and when you keep fiddling with the marginal rate on incomes going from thirty seven to thirty nine, you just know: gonna get me you will squeeze those people who are wealthier taking back. You know four hundred five hundred six hundred thousand dollars a year, those families for you're not going to touch the billionaires who don't having come their money comes. Their welcome from the dividends on their wealth. It doesn't come from their income so Jake what it what's a political calculus of Democrats who say we don't want upset the moderates. We don't want make Amazon pay taxes we wanna make IBM pay taxes. We don't want to these super corporations pay taxes. What does raise taxes on small business owners who make four hundred five hundred thousand dollars

Well, so they would say they are forcing those businesses to pay taxes. They ve raised that these marginally beach, the Corbett rate from twenty one to having twenty five or twenty six, but listen. I think, think it's more of a vote counting problem, Joe than anything else in Asia, Frankly, my estimation uses in the House of Representatives were the only in Juba aforesaid majority in any step out of line, so to speak, any step away from the mean we're from the lowest common denominator could provide them both problems and by the way they have problems everywhere. They have enough problems right now want things ranging from prescription drugs to SALT deductions, local tax deductions. There are so many trip wires right now. Frenetic was Egypt, humour that anything imaginative were out of the main stream, so to speak, not out of the mainstream, but out of the kind of Lee envision tax plan issues. Going to fly as they get I once they just one working here. I've no

in the last couple of months a disposed to shorten the joke. Republicans are actually no longer even talking about raising taxes as being the central focus pointed this plan. Is they realise that talk a lot republicans about that? Did it no longer plays to talk about the fact is that the spending is actually the more potent the argument for Republicans so that both your detention show that this is actually no longer an unpopular proposition to be raising taxes as Cooper, wealthy incorporation, so that new? For the last twenty years since you weren't gamblers, I would say that the tax It was a much more potent argument from politics. Yeah boy. If I were campaigning in any congressional district in any district across Amerika, I would love my opponent republic in our democratic to stand

You know, I don't think we should make Amazon pay taxes. I I really don't think we should make billionaires, be stop at being able to build out their loopholes to to continue again redistribution of income from Class Americans to the super wealthy Jake, I saw you wanted to get an earlier, as as we are moving on to the next story, when we were talking about voting rights, return that show mansion and talking about exceptions to the filibuster, and The question I had ass was why when we get to a point at the end where Joe Jan and Joe Biden and Democrats I did that. Yes, they could make an exception for civil rights. The same way Mitch Mcconnell made an exception for supreme. court justices yes, I do. I just think that it's a lot look, I'm not saying that that won't happen that that job the song. I think there is

increasing in the White House. Increasing appetite to do something on this Let us try to point out that. I just think that it will be Technical point of view is very difficult. To end the filibuster on one thing, on the legislative calendar and not for other things, once there is a change there's not away in the head in the sand, rules from the people, I've spoken to war, pro filibuster reform, even too the filibuster for civil rights legislation, not for other legislation using republican shares to filibuster for nominees they did, but that's it. as you know, on a different calendar that the executive counter, not the legislative council after slave, probably doesn't matter matter for many people who kept a voting rights is just a technical that. I think, once to filibuster, is blown up in mansion understands decided will come round to this argument: wants it

That's one topic to be blown up for every topic and on the talking filibuster mansion at that time and time again he's not for changing the sixty but fragile, he's fine with with making people talk, but at the end of that he still wants sixty boats. So that is just a distinction without a difference, if you changed, if you make people some sixty to cut off sixty votes to cut off them from talking Janata huge. Friends from what we currently have in the Senate. So I just it with the dead it goes on long tat. If there is, after all, to changing some of us are guys walk obviously come back to this, but now to whether overnight Hurricane Nicholas made landfall along the Texas Coastline, the storm was downgraded to a tropical storm about an hour ago, but there is still more our concern over flooding gotta Meteorologist Bill Karen's for the latest on this bill.

make a pretty incredible that now we ve had nineteen storms make landfall the last seventeen months, and that includes ten hurricanes. So justly, oh, it's a storm and restore register. Once we get into these her can't seasons in this one did attempt by right of the land for ninety five Opera winds were required on a Texas GO to him at a border, and this will actually have a storm search programme fortify feet. Maxims are not enough to do a ton of damage. What we say over three hundred thousand people without power right now, so we show the latest and the hurricanes enter. The storm is almost over the top of Houston right now we were very afraid of the heavy rainfall in Houston area, especially this morning, but the storms, after a little bit more to the east and unfortunately for Louisiana. That means all of the heavy rain is now heading towards you as we go through the next two to three days. The least thing that Louisiana needs his daddy event by four hit the hardest over the last two hurricane season. So we have

flood warning south of Houston around Galveston this morning, but the flash floods watch includes almost all of southern half a Louisiana into Southern Mississippi and even Alabama now about ten million people included and look at that if all that heading for a new Orleans were expecting up to ten inches of rain possible from late Charles to new area, all the way over to New Orleans and eventually heavy rains of Southern Mississippi and even Alabama. This is gonna, be pretty incredible over the next couple days as we watch the storm slowly. Drift Tor The New Orleans area, it does not look like they have any problems whatsoever with the winds in these areas. The winds of pretty light, been going throughout the last year. I say tat the last twelve hours or so they ve been very light in areas especially Louisiana. Look at lake, Charles, only twenty mile power Gus, the highest Gus right now or near the Houston area. Around forty, fifty miles per hour, most of the power outage from Houston southwards, down to the coastal areas. I do not expect a lot of a dish

no power outage is, as we go through the remainder of the storm, and you can see on the latest close in radar. The Houston. the heavy rain you're gonna get is over the next hour or two, but make the poor people from lake I was the bomb I it is gonna poor all morning. Long be very careful, driving anywhere interstate ten through Louisiana during the day today, so just ridiculous, meagre ten hurricane landfall. Last seventeen months in the United States crazy? Now I don't care Thank you so much for giving us posted on all of this and still at a morning, Joe, look at how security as being wrapped up around Capitol Hill ahead of us. Right rally this protecting and unravelling the people who attacked the capital plus Doctor Anthony Voucher, joins our conversation amid surging code Cases among children and before we go to bribe were excited for Jos, new podcast, which debut

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glass? On top of a mask mandate, there will be air purifiers in every classroom and social distancing of at least three feet when possible. Teachers in staff have to be vaccinated, measure Let us put some parents, especially those with on vaccinated little laws at ease. I trust this will completely there ready for this. They need us against EU embassies. Rahim AL is found one third greater, who mainly as convincing Allowing this are you nervous about what you're going to learn or you nervous about having to wear a mask in New York? The opening of schools was time to the enforcement of tougher vaccine rules. I just say the sea or perfect vaccination and a photo like everyone who wants to eat inside, go to the theatre or gin we'll have to show proof of vaccination and will try to be prepared as possible. separating slow down to them, door, but guess seem to be getting used to it at this

Restaurant tables are still getting filled before just continue to be increased The comfortable with the excess safety nationwide Other cases have started to dip, but there are hotspots, were hospitals are struggling like it? Idaho, where in some cases, patients are waiting in conference rooms. we're just in a terrible time of that pandemic. Right now, and I would hate to see you get any worse and Slovenia, multiple schools have gone to remote learning. One district closing two of its schools dealing with quote a previously unimaginable number of students with covered the country, the number of pediatric infections, is high, with some parents eager to vaccinate their young children vaccine approval for fun. To eleven year olds, could come as early as this fall a court to the CDC director who shared this advice on the today shows survey. Our younger kids, by people who are vaccinated masking the spools ventilation. Screening testing those strategies were soup.

about all this, showing a majority of american support president by sweeping plan for large. U S, companies to require employees be vaccinated according to the latest morning, consult politico pole, fifty eight kind of Americans are in favour of vaccination. Mandates are weekly testing for companies with at least one hundred workers, but, as you might expect, there is a massive, partisan divide. Eighty two percent of Democrats support the vaccination requirement, but only thirty three percent of Republicans do over almost Americans also support other major pieces at the presence plan to increase covered vaccination. Sixty two percent of Americans in this pole are in or of encouraging states to require vaccination for all school employees. Sixty percent vaccination mandate for most healthcare workers without the ability to opt out through regular testing and fifty six percent. So at the same rule for most federal workers and contracts, Meanwhile, Florida Republican, Governor Rhonda Santa says his state will punish

county and city governments which require employees get vaccinated against covert nineteen Santa's, threatening five thousand dollar fine for violation, Joe similar to what he's been threatening in school districts that want to mask their kids, He is he's micro targeting here, playing for the thirty percent he's what Donald Trump did in two thousand and fifteen when he kept talking about the wall. Tat captain about immigration. If you looked Donald Trump immigration policies so percent of Americans oppose them. Thirty percent supported item, but Donald Trump Euro that all the way to winning the republican nomination and then in twenty sixteen snuck in the presidency and won the presidency, and you just get their stories. We ve been talking about today, and I ve been talking about how how Democrats and Republicans are our on different sides of so many issues and use it's a democratic on this were a sixty percent side. Republicans on the third.

Present side, but make it its clearer by the day that the goal is taken was Minority possessions, whether its own vaccine mandates, whether zone mask mandates, whether it's on abortion and taxes and stopping a constitutional right because of a procedure go out and take those positions. When your primary Vince Try to figure out, how you change the voting rules. things, look bad start screaming like area Larry Elders in California. Lord screaming at whining like a little snowflake like all cholera we can still when they lose an election and talk it being rigged. That's their new formula for fur, for running their political party, moving forward actually siding with scientists not siding with doctors, not siding with their own family doctor, but instead picking up bits and says from outside.

Facebook pages where there lies, are maybe chinese spirits he websites that vat is actually the path are going down and don't pay Let me call you: have you not only infecting our politics but its helping this virus spread, because if there is just one person inspired by these politicians, not to get the vaccine or to mask here. You go joining us now direct. The National Institute of our Jean Infectious diseases and chief medical advisor to the President Doktor Anthony forty doktor fashion. Thank you so much for being with us a lot to get too, and now we want to talk about children and the start of school. I just want to pull back a little better, where this virus could go on hearing anecdotally through people. I know about breakthrough cases that really serious that end up with people on ventilator stays or people who are vaccinated, but still got cove id. What is potential that,

spirals beyond Delta, to monster variant while there always a risk of as you get more circulation a virus in the community, but you'll get accumulation of new mutations to get a variant that is functionally different than the ones we are seeing now. Delta has the ability, unlike alpha of transmitting extraordinarily readily and efficiently from person to person that is the reason why we ve seen that search that we ve been through over the last few months where we went from below thousand cases a day of two hundred hundred and fifty hundred and sixty three in cases of day One of the reasons why we want to make sure we get as many people vaccinated as we possibly can. is that viruses will not mutate if they don't have the opportunity to spread and rapid So the more dynamics viral

Sidney you have in the community. The greater opportunity you give to the virus to mutate so it's one of those things that you are activating now to prevent the next mewed coming the next varying from coming and again That's yet again. Another reason, besides protecting the health of the people of getting vaccinated protecting the community. don't want to see more variants comment, because then it would in many respects gauge some of the very positive protection that you get from the vaccine isn't all way, also about protecting our children under twelve still can't get the vaccine, the delta can spread among children. The transmits ability, as you just said, is far worse than the first phase of cove id. It really really. It spreads quickly and its incredibly terrible experience if its survival.

How do we have We addressed this with children going to school, even if their worrying masks is that enough, at the rate we're going. Well, you just said something that is really one of the fundamental principles of vaccine Section of the community, when you have vulnerable people who either our yet eligible for vaccines. The way many of our children eleven years old and younger, or in this system, they are vulnerable. The way you protect the vulnerable. To surround them by people who are a vaccine it'd, be they teachers, personnel in the school students in the school who are old enough to get back to needed, for example, those twelve years, all in older, that is a fundamental public health principle.

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focused on their stories. So thank you if you're nice subscriber, yet you can become one at and why times, dot com slash subscribe Doktor vouchers Willie guys good morning on asking about boosters. There was that new study that came out yesterday, I m sure you saw published in the peer reviewed Lancet from public health experts here in America and around the world that said boosters at this time, for otherwise healthy people are necessary. In fact they went so far as to say it may be unethical, given the fact that so many places in the world still need all these doses of the vaccine. So what your position on boosters right now should healthy people, not people who are at risk. We do need the most, but should otherwise healthy people be getting the booster yeah Willie that that that's a great question with regard to that article, that's a controversial article that I actually disagree mostly with. There are a couple of aspects that get slated in that article. Certainly.

You have: countries low and middle income countries that don't have any vaccine, and you make me Attempts to get them back, seen in only focus on sting individuals who are in your own country. That is not the right thing, and I disagree with that. However, can do both the way. we're doing in this country, you can have a program to give MR in this case, third, shots for people who gun To those modern five a vaccine, you can I've been boosted. If you put a considerable amount of resources and effort to getting low and middle income people. sedated and that's exactly what we're doing, I don't have to the time for you to go over all the things that are being done, but they are being done so don't conflate those too. Once you separate those two and say: ok, let's look at now the rationale. If you look at the data

We are strongly suggested in this country and more than just suggested in Israel that waning of immunity among people across age groups, not just the very very elderly, you clearly waning of immunity against infection and clear Indication of waiting of immunity again severe disease. So what we are trying to do right now is plan that by the time we get to the middle of September, the September the week of September, the twentieth we will plan to vaccinate people who having that waning immunity, the point about their plan, that's important. It will be contingent upon the FDA analyzing the data not only from the United States but Israel and other countries time and, if its appropriate and scientifically sound to do it. So when you People objecting to the point,

and to do it later, to leave out that enough is gonna get done until the fifty eight analyzes, the data very, very carefully the way they do and make. determination from Iraq military standpoint of should we be giving the boosters mice as a scientist I have seen some of the data. I believe when you look at the data carefully. There's going a decision to actually give the boost, as opposed to not giving their car. That's interesting. That document that article got a lot of attention asked very interesting to hear you contradict that. Their point by point: doktor Fracture- apologies for a question events in so many times over the last year, but I think it needs to be driven home. I know somebody otherwise, Rational smart people- I know that I talk to say I'm healthy This age, I've never been sick. I dont need to get the vaccine

What do you say to those people? What is the clear case that you make to people who just don't think you know they're, not reading crazy conspiracy theories? Even they just think. I don't want to put this in my body because I dont need to what do you say to them. Well, there are two two aspects of that into approaches. You take first of all, the personal approach. It is true that young healthy people have left of a chance of getting severely involved in the sense of getting infected have a severe outcome. There's no doubt about that. But if you lie across the country, and you look at the spills. You see there are plenty of young people it severely ill. We ve had six hundred and fifty thousand deaths in the United States. So, although the odds are in your favour, you and not comply Lee exempt from getting seriously ill. That's one component, the other com and that in many respects is equally important- is that it

in all about you? If you get infected, Even if you don't have any symptoms, it is like that you will pass the virus to someone else pass it on to some one else who MIKE have a severe outcome leading. hospitalization and even death So you gonna, look at it that you are not in a vacuum, of society, and did you want to be part of the component that proper, gates the virus and propagates the outbreak. What do you want part of the solution so You should be worried about yourself because you it is important, as is held to be a family, but you are part of society and you'd we have some responsibility as a member of society psychology, the back and forth you just head with Willie was both interesting and informative as usual MIKE

question is one that I think is on the minds of a lot of Americans, and it is this. Is this The fight against this virus, our real forever war. I dont believe it needs to be, I mean, obviously, we will always be challenged by emerging and re emerging infections. We have very good vaccines right now, virus will mutate and get new variance if we allow it to circulate propagate itself, and that's one of the reasons why, when you do have the capability of really smashing this virus, let's do it and if we do it and I believe We can and will do it. You don't necessarily have to look at the fact that you're going to be struggling with this virus indefinitely, we ve had, formidable viruses than we have eliminated things? polio things. I'd measles in this country. We can do it put a will.

All of our resources, which we are doing to do that and I am not only talking about the United States. I'm talking getting the world vaccinated within Iraq? in a period of time, don't fashion, No, that the virus travels when people move around the country don't bear the democratic clause, from Virginia has a bill proposing those people try. Within the United States on aeroplanes and trains should either be vaccinated, all provide proof of a negative covert test. This is very common practice. Now in Europe, I've just been traveling all over Europe. You can't get on. without having some kind of proof that your negative, it seems to me crazy that a year and a half into this, you can still, I can still go, playing to Boston or California. Nobody's gonna check me. Do you think that to change woman only consideration. Certainly I mean I have been asked. Tat question actually got guts play in the press. When I made the answer, I think that if, in fact it is sick

we considered is on the table were not there yet, in fact, if you look at the six point Graham that the present came out with a couple of days what we were talking with travel. Was doubling the fines of people who, in fact, travelling and don't get tested and and I believe that the idea about required ring vaccination for travel is some that is on the table for discussion. It has not been decided yet Saturday morning, it's John for Mere one. We get an update on the vaccine, for children. We know, of course, that the pages twelve under have yet to receive, approve get the shot he walks through the timeline as to what your hearing when may be available for kids, five, twelve, but also those young than five, which seems to be further down the road. It is a question of hearing it's a question of what the facts are. The facts are that we right now the data

accumulated there to separate companies that are doing it Pfizer and Modena. Pfizer is a bit ahead, maybe a few weeks and in the testing by the time we get to the end of September the beginning of October. They will be of data in testing kids from eleven to five in this of getting safety and emitted generosity data at TAT point they can. Fly for an emergency use, authorization that may take us weeks in order to get that, so we assume- and I believe it will work out this way the time we get to the MID fall October or so We will have the capability giving vaccine supervisor Diana as they mention just a couple of weeks behind they'll get enough. Probably by the end of October, and if they go for any way that likely

in the beginning of November. So what you're talking about is eleven to five somewhere in October or November timeframe, those who are young and then that will be a little bit further down, because when you do a study, it when age de escalation study you start off with it seven to nine. Now into six, sixty two and then six months. The two years. Doktor Belgium, DR answered this before, forgive me for repeating the question: do you the percentage in mind of Americans that need to be vaccinated before we reach a point to really suppress this this virus and actually beyond the winning side of things is at. Eighty percent is an eighty five percent is ninety percent of Americans. We don't know, and you know Any time you give a number, someone will pull calls in it, the ones

that I say- and I think it's as close to the truth, as you can get. as you will know it when you see it You should get we us here in the United States to get as many. people vaccinated as we possibly can, and when we get to the point where it is that critical number that we are not sure of what it is going to see the level of infections plummet, very, very low and maybe even disappear. for example, measles measles is a highly transmissible virus, one of the most, if not the most highly transmissible virus. You need a vaccination percentage. Over ninety percent. In order to get to, heard immunity with a virus essentially can't find a vulnerable target and then the disappearance of infection. So I'm sorry that I don't know what that number is, but

He's going to be pretty high because we have a very transmissible virus doctor, If our chief, thank you so much for coming back on the show this morning, we appreciate it coming up seconds state Anthony, Lincoln's defence of the? U S: withdrawal, from Afghanistan what he had to say on cap oh hell, yesterday, plus urgent warning from Apple the company is advising all users to update their devices after recent first found a new security flaws that could impact iphones adds MAX an apple watch it morning Joe, is coming right back. We that there are many challenges that your business is faced over the past year. Overcoming these,

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