Karen and Georgia cover the origin of ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ and Mack Ray Edwards.
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Normal system yeah, so it's gonna, be a. We said we are put our headphones on. Oh yeah, we're gonna record of headphones eyelids to our justice. Shake things apple, the omega whose head were these last time this saved our or in our own separate. Like isolation, tanks ha away, in the past over here. I want to hear each other, although o o o ok, yeah turned on soon that's exciting. Sober wearing head by members is a very exciting at home. For you, listeners kick mine up, just a which ones yours the first one. You touch this y know. What's mine out you're, where your right hand is now get away from their area, thou outside yeah, ok,
now on yeah. Oh, it's perfectly because you can't hear anything right. Oh my god, you look like such a podcast right now, with your headphones, I mean, kill I've always wanted to TED care home. This is now we're gonna. Be able to hear all the to my details of our voices Shan and other times a compound, the second table on accidents and all the time my big fictitious, get in the way of meat, which is often these days like our third pike, ass toaster, your teeth, that's right and there they will be heard today, will not be silent in my mouth. I wanna hear myself drinking this can of wine. Yes, I love it. How can I didn't get any care MIKE Mike? I remember canned wine from the centre of our weaken and get
I wanted to say the: can you just drank it? All two thousand crushed against her head must survive at nice. Don't remember that because you remember that weaken it was show off time, the entire time I kept saying that take to Georgia, the entire weakened, because, as I described to somebody yesterday, I said it was a really fun weekend, but it was one of those things were every time we were in the room. We were in the center of the Roma and there is a ring of people standing around us just staring mega like yeah. You guys are that I know. Is I can't resist that nightmare rights while it's my it's my thank God. It biggest dream since age five, so I had to keep pulling myself back from really getting into it I'll do it. I need it. It's perfect from its muck effective. We need someone else to talk. I other hazardous lake
Moreover, in stages I oh- and I would like to talk about your- has only did she liked your your hair yeah. I feel like I've been there it showing off is really my passion and there's nothing. You know like this is the only thing that actually satisfies it. Having a park has makes you oak a non stop. Twenty four seven show why you have to give a cat attention speaking of attention in the UK and Ireland to her tickets left in the only the only we shall we haven't. Allow Dublin
Can I say twenty third, you said you like: does we we added a second chauffeur ya? Come on Ya'Ll come on Ya'Ll. I mean I bet it's per almost sold out bands almost sought out. There's a handful of tickets will just hand a man on the street. If you don't sell among in handful sets rate to people who there's gonna, there would be nothing worse than forcing irish people to go to show they don't want to go out and audiences dont want. Just based on my american irish experience. There already pretty judgmental let us things they enjoy the most one thing, though, without touring, as is one link we when we go to like a pub the night before we go over like were to a car rental of the night before and the person working there is like. Oh Madame such a big fan of weak, we gotta go. Do you want to go to the shadowy out of them ticket yeah? So we can do it now, for the night and outlining a great amongst in Genoa, cancelled and announced Maria there's, no more tickets deny that we are going to be driving up and down the countryside, giving away take nothing pubs, whoever we see the farmers pull
hey in carts old fashion style, that I've been still nice. That's the first time ever visited Ireland. We landed. We landed, of course in Dublin, but then we drove west to dual aunt. I think was the first city we want to and we got there. We are looking up the street, do our hotel and on the passing us was worth sky driving a cart. Then a co was pulling with the budget in the back and he yelled top of the morning tee. All bad guy was sarcasm. Now I think he was like clearly are: a bunch of Americans airs the experience you wanna be having it's like when you dry passed a truck driver. You like hunt them like our irish version of it, but it was his idea, which is another leg. The built in sarcasm Algeria, where just like tat of merit and then take place, probably from Scotland and the whole accept, was vague about you know, that's what they're, like speaking of selling our souls
there's gotta, be new holiday. Merge, yes, in the March store great transitioning heels, beautiful, seamless, segue, where you and now our boom into the place for you love to being that's right, merge memory, EVA thing: we have some really fucking Colmar of coming out ass at like so exciting we're so in all about what we allow like to be which was a right. Yes, it's important that amendment is clearly important knows we won't just are anything up. We have notes. We have this. We want this. We had these bright ideas like let's try, then, yes, so everything that's going in on the twenty fifth of November is like all stuff that we are really into an excited about, including some stuff from murdering makers. That's so exciting. They get to support and work with them. Yeah. Ok, that's on done that those, but I know I don't hear my F banalities headwinds. I can hear myself talk. Yeah, isn't gonna, impede
get to self conscious. I my maybe for my story I'll, take him out again over here. I'm couldn't love it more! I'm like well, I've never see I've, never experience how great my fucking voices. Why do I say in my house crying all the time? I don't like this This is a so we are always talking about corners. There are four crushing corners or whatever we pretty much just this on this podcast Georgian, I just gonna say the things that we think too
every week, there's not a town planning. There is definitely no pre writing, except for the stories were trying to get said not follow through not follow through all the weight on arctic slaves. Yet you know if you ve been here. If we all know very well that explanation and Maria look you now you're on your. This is more of a starter information, starter kit. Right now you go look stuff, but somebody sentence, so we ve been calling things corners. This whole taught for three hours, just out of laziness, but someone wrote in a great suggestion. It was earnings, Brittany, Aaron, it was on Twitter and she wrote to us if she were to me and the biggest, I feel like your nude segment quote. Aid to tell you something should be announced by drunk Karen. So I guess last, like I said that the new segment was gonna be called. I need to tell you something as it was so generally. I was just telling you random shit. Ok do it yet
To sum up, I know what he's drunk carry me to tell you: it's not good nurse. It sounds like you got, your Perry on the back of your parents tell you all aim for always bad news. When it's coming says something connived Amy neither days and then we as a candidate for the OPEC current drunkards, always almost asleep left the other thing I really is about her she's so drunk then she's right on the verge of just passing out almost night night. So
anyway, look for that future segment, that's never gonna happen. I need to tell you something I dont care and then, let's both collectively forget, said it and forget it. It's all right. This ideas, the dump cakes of ideas, permits it of micro waiting for one, the idea, ideas, it's a spoon yola right. It's a specialist spoon conflicts in scope. The are group- and you can also you know- em like stir units Bachelor'S- are like the things you don't fuckin mansplain scratch. My Georgia obey a while. They were just how does a spoon happening since spatulas by definition are kind of flights lightly, curved and
swell, ok gotta, so you're not gonna, eat cereal with this, but you can get stuff out. If you need to an pan, she could eat Syria with a heavy to more depressing than just eating. Cereal would like a wooden spoon which I think is so I have a spoon, that's better than all the others bones. I intentionally use that deed cereal, where you have to cram as much in your fucking mouth is possible. Yes, it's I have the and its two my detriment, but I definitely have the eating attitude. If I'm gonna do it, I might as well Fuckin Gopher prairie. That's what I'm that's my plan for the two weeks we are in the islands. Have we had a little discussion before we started recording about I'll exciting it is that we get to have tea in UK and Ireland were so excited about it and all the little things that in in my I will just make a personal care in my childhood and growing up. Candy was not. It was not. It was frowned upon
is it was I always had to sneak in. I wanted it all the time I thought about it. I'm Kandian cookies and sweet culturally in especially in London. I will say or England sorry Hand in England in the whole country they take in it
mentioning break at three o clock every day and eat candy together, and I love that they call it cakes. There's a cakes like little things. Crumpets were the really into Twix really into two. I it's gonna, it's happening so hard on. Were there we just get we're gonna, get supported fur bad habits due note elsewhere. Doing I'm really excited about where's reminder football match? Oh yes, and we have to sit unlike us, an area for people who, like don't usually go because it so rowdy like crazy. I love it's gonna, be the vast. I'm gonna be the once over personal on entire stating that I want to be the only beer free he knew. Admins nagging like we had size on the youth, as that would be. That would actually be a good penance. For me to pay is I've to handle confidence and drunk Georgia and get us out of a football stadium without getting punched in the fate. As you seem drunk Georgia she's fine, she is fun re. She and she is exactly like Regular Georgia. It just gets a little bit like giggly error as a girl, louder, louder, giggling, and a little more like sloppy alone. Meaner yeah. I like, like talking shit on people not last year at almost yes, exactly to its choose someone else like almost in the bonding way, but in the way where it becomes almost out of like
you, clearly, don't mean it because you're just saying whatever comes into your, has the air it's really enjoy. Thank you owe me. I'm a modern analogue arm grabbing, which I really oh yeah. That's me: he has a lot of touching the one I'm drunk
It's fine and pick up the mirror and why he would appear in the bed publicity here it was our weak Vince ordered us room service amid the weirdest array of room service, however, and we watching a movie and what would whatever was happening, we were laughing sword and you just kept hitting me on the arm. Land then eventually got were aware of it. Really, I'm so sorry, and I'm like no, I, like my kidding you like nudging you yet it was like. I would make a joke and then you would slap my eye and then you that self conscious, but unlike now, this is what I this is what I'm looking for, what I like to hear what you are going to tell you that my guy, like you, feel behold, institutes transitions when we got to pretend to be professional, sustainable you'll. Never have we simply now. I just have a recommendation, not care and actually your God. I can't believe I am recommending this to you, because this is so you ok, that this is a travesty.
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Irish action is so strong and foreign sounding me that its bewildering as occurs every citizen will slide from here. Everything goes like this and out, and it is a little recited remarks and I can't find understand what you say and I love it and it's so exciting, but the guy in it is one hot peace. He did not crazy. That's the kid say he's a snap is yes. Now I don't know is he? Is he a bob now slowly over the summer, people call good songs. It's a real bob happening. We don't have to make up new words every three months. It's not required it's not, but this guy is definitely above snack for sure. There's something about he's Earl, snappy bodies. It is easier by right into that song. There's some Here's gum, it's! The beauty of men who have planes faces now, not following you, you gotta get behind me right now,
the standby there's something about. Maybe it's all his shirt are super tight, any said: lanky type data, It's just! I do love and check it out. I love a guy girl combo in it reminds me of the killing member thy Elles, ones, Hautala, it's that feel where it's like. She's all business and he's kind of like got his eye on her and is like a little Ex Murphy, like maybe undercover no longer, but the error rate for the killing this guy, it's different. Where he's he's actually much more button down, which is even more exciting button, em up button it you love. I love a guy with like a tailored shirt that can't help himself because he like the girl that he's working. Where I mean I m all about that story, trade, Gama and love and soon it's the influence, because it's about respect, that's why it's a pouch throughout smart women getting
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without such an area that we are not as the goods like yeah, we does I'm segmented, no, no you're you're right on programme, it will here yeah. Let's do it. I'm gonna start again with a paragraph before I say it opens mania thing I love it. I wouldn't have to Europe
well that reach down in tickled Idear low, but you know you didn't. Let me up, I believe in an EU member state was fucking. Baritone. Didn't went all the way down to the basement, I'm pretty get added. My mom says I. I write a little less you're like an opera singer of Belgian and, like the most proud of my mom, it is has ever been of me as my belching for real. She brings it up all the time she's like so like to. I think she will. Georgia can belch why EU latterly hear her she's Barney from the Simpsons. She said, and I just proved it ok lover she still mad at me about the book with a well. I'm still matter about a couple affairs fair where there's always tension somewhere. Ok,
I'm going to start with this area on the morning of August, twenty third nineteen, seventy three in a newly escaped convict in Sweden's capital city of Stockholm entered a Z Bank, in the Ep Scare, normal store. Where do I know it? They don't let the arm Eric. All sin walked into the bank wearing toy store, glasses and thick brown wig to conceal its identity and from the under Neath. His coat puzzle but it's a machine gun and fires at the ceiling, then, in an inn in English, with an american acts, I'm gonna swedish assure yells their part
has just begun. When so begin the origin story of Stockholm Syndrome love it. I wouldn't really we haven't done. I know- and I would love to thank my friend- carries Ellen better for me, badgering her at a bar saying does give me an idea. I dont know what to do. Next week- and she was- I went about this- what about that and then one of US outcomes, and how do we not do this when we were in stock? I do not think this is not a murderer. I think right only recently that we're doing so. That's not murder, yes, truly Asher. I wanted to be more on her good job. Carry nice one, so I got a bunch of it so and also I had just maybe like a few months ago, listen to an episode of criminal but where they interview the one of the robbers. Yes- and it's so of course well done, and then they got a bunch of info from a podcast called memory motel where they interview one of the hostages. Yes, I listened at both of those and got a mostly
from there and then from the Smithsonian dot com and history. Dot com got the rest of the world. Can I just do a quick, sidebar Liese be judge on Halloween tweet, ahead what do you do when I trick or treating comes to your door? Smoking a secure, and I retreated it made me laugh so hard. I don't understand, she doesn't understand how funny now or how. I think, how things here is the coolest us she's, really young was like older than me because of how much she handles shit on that park after an hour she so professional now she's, like I think, she's in our thirties pack. I now God bless anyway, just a cause. This is It's a there's, a criminal, our source element that I just don't give props good to her she's the best I'm TB judge Judge- and this is
But this is that this is my favorite. That's right! Ok, so, we're not turn a steel her a little by not played arising in the name of her body what you I'm Eric didn't know when he fuck em, the party just began was at a silent, alarm had been triggered and so on. A policeman responded, gone Eric shoots at at him and hits him in the hand I dont know if this was just supposed to be a robbery that turn into a hostage situation, because this was triggered or but his palace Vienna, so he shoots and that at the policemen system and a hand. So then he freaks out and takes three female bank employees hostage while letting everyone slave. So he is stuck about him, he's a thirty two year old career criminal and he had been a safe, cracker and was serving, which is like such an
necessary job re? Yes, there's there's only handfuls them out there and get if they have to be good at right and he was serving a three year sentence in prison for grand larceny. He had achieved like us a little bit of fame. What who, when an elderly couple, had caught him robbing their house point the elderly man had collapsed and the man's wife, Sir, was like omega grabbers heart medicine is in the kitchen and he did it up. Many continued ransacking their house. Oh, so he was like known as like the bumbling.
I don't know what he was known as but like that got him some notoriety that he was the criminal at the heart of old. Maybe I who still and got caught yeah Vienna right. Maybe it wasn't that good at it. He was his tenants making his way right, sound like that. Ok, so he was in prison, but he was on furlough. That day I don't get out at the shops in such when he took the fuck off and went out travelling okay. So in Sweden, you go to jail, but you can also leave jail and do things you'd like to do the other life. I think that means like you're on your way, to being, let go like let out soon gotta like introducing into society pearl feel yeah outside he was like I'm ruined less blocking rob a bank. I have a passion for ruining hum really good at it. So once the hostages are secured. Yon Eric announces his demands for the release of the hostages. He wants three million swedish kronor honor me to say, which is about seven hundred thousand dollars,
couple of guns and both progress and a getaway car, but in others Yes, but I mean it's all, it's in the files with eighteen lies. Another story. I'm not the only one. Listening is ok and then everything he insisted that he wanted was his old jailhouse Buddy Clark Olsen to get out of the jail and help him in the situation, so he's like yoke calling support yeah. I gave him a guy in another body of his daily. So
Like all of sin, he's twenty six years old. He is definitely a Bob snack, ok, sure grey. He serving time for armed robbery and acting as an accessory and a ninety nine nineteen, sixty six robbery that had gone wrong and a police officer had been killed over yeah, so he's kind of a celebrity bank robber and while he and Yon Eric hoo hoo Clark describes as a quote, useful idiot and well when they were imprisoned, gone would beg Clark to tell him all the wild stories have. Bank robbery was almost like Ino storytelling time sure when, in his eyes, Clark was the best that there is robbing banks oh, no, you is in a bad situation any that help. He demanded that Clark join him
Clark has been in solitary confinement. Of course, you like forget me over to that bats back and do they were their lights and sound rain exactly as users. So Clark is brought into the bank and he goes inside to join the on. At this point, the unfolding bank, robbery and hostage situation is fucked huge news. Oliver's like peaceful Sweden. I ensure, as the first televised crime in Sweden and its being brought asked all over the country. The public is like upset with this crime and they fled the police stations with suggestions for ending the stand off some of those worst soaping. The the group, the floor of the banks of the criminals would slip and be easy to capture that happened to me about their Millard. Getting out of the shower and long hours you yeah left. I had a weird slip where,
as I was falling down. Hours like this is a very dangerous and ask, and I just gonna hit my knee. It wasn't that big a deal, but I have now. I now have bathroom slippers so that when I got a shower immediately rubber sold shoes I need to get. You lie. Fuller, Yeah, that's a minute! That's I think. Next year I was scared. You be careful, put tells down, don't be afraid, a bath mounts, I'm I'm I'm a strict slipper person yeah you
hit the ground yet, and I bet it saved me from some slip and by many of us. So another suggestion was that they send a swarm of angry bees adding to the bank but subsisting everyone into submission, and they proceed run having you now and hygiene. No, it's the perfect solution bugs money. Thank you! So much for calling an or drunk Aaron. So many beat me Jack taxes. Meanwhile, inside the bank with terrified hostages are are taken inside a cramped bank vaults, which is like don't go now. The hostages are tied up, but when Clark finally shows up from prison, he takes commanded. The situation is like we're all gonna be: ok, everyone calm down, he says it will all be fine and they, like. Oh he's, our saviour yeah. The three female hostages are christian and Mark she's, twenty three years old,
Rita landlord. I don't know her age and Elizabeth Overrun and whose twenty one and our bank employs thoroughly women Kristen later describes Clark as quota. Ex between Shag, Aurora and Jesus. What south yeah you do not going. Are you at snack? Do you want a glass of wine? I'm feeling it with you and Christian and Clark become close because he's twenty six, again she's your eyes three hours though, there in a situation that is the most heighten the act like that, how people, following an whether its added your personal bank, robbery or someone else's bank robber emblem is one of them has a gun to you troop, but isn't the one that came in ass he and call them- and he is now part of this- did he calls from jail Emma gave him a gun? Now he got,
go out and camp. I let I bet your had other guns and gave it to him yawns. I can you please tell us on my hands. I hold this gun anymore and I think they, I think, Clark just took over the role that were robbing this bank. We have hostages and I bet you what he brought into that situation. Is that feeling, like you, said, Evans Gonna, be ok whatever, where it's not some the tick with wide eyes the match and shaking hands it. Someone that's like look. We just want the money were trying to do this. No one already like a lion is in charge and do it he does but making sure that no one gets her yes and that I'm sure was great,
a great feeling for those people who are only free go annually shade of our and Jesus so yeah. I ain't gonna, I'm bone unjust, picturing, the the whatever the shirt he had on it. There was a v neck element to was a seventies, those unbuttoned to the naval, and there was just all kind, a hare era, one of the baron. Seventy so Clark orders Yon to loosen the hostages robes to make them more comfortable, and this is when the tides turn and instead of being afraid of their captor captors, hostages appreciating treated with respect which they didn't Philip hops are giving them. At that moment, they thought that the Copsewood second blow down the doors and kill everyone here and they see Clark, has are saving grace. Yeah and Clark is the one who's interviewed in the criminal episode and he's GIS. He's doing. I remain you he's kind of a dick, though he's great a cocky charming day
well he's the kind of guy that would rob banks like. Let's do it I can handle it totally. So Clark also is a once round the bank and finds an employee hiding in the closet, which is like yeah his name's men s, soft strum. He is collected and brought with everyone else, making him the fourth hostage, so hostages are allowed to call their families to let them other. Okay, and by the second day, the hostages were on a first name basis with their captors and they started to feel the police more than their abductors this commissioner was allowed inside to inspect the hostages health. He noticed at the captives appeared to be hostile with him, but not but they were relaxed and jovial with their captors ran at least. Told the press it. He doubted. The gunman would harm the hostages because they had developed. Quote rather relaxed relationship, which, of course them. Then the public was legal base.
This is amazing what the fuck is going on in there. I grab it. They, even if you can't phone calls with Prime Minister Olof Palme and they let Kristen talk to him. You mean that's no man from for those applying them all ass plain how you doing,
I guess not thoroughly change if they never seen it it's. You know it's. It's a minor lands name this no man's names, Olaf right, Stephen, ok! So then I like the imagine that has no man has a last name and then eventually become prime ministers to eat everything about that. So sorry again to show off till now, I was embarrassed that I haven't seen it says they now I get that Joe. I didn't get that Joe. It's pretty high level. I have nephews, not nieces, they dont want unwashed frozen yeah. That's right! You view the whole there. I should have made a car liner aft Mangrove Minecraft, so they let Christian one of the the twenty three old hostage talk to him and she begs the prime Minister to let her leave with the robbers in the car. She is like I've as she says. I fully trust Clark in the robber. I am not desperate, they haven't done anything doors. On the contrary, they have been very nice going
scared of is the police will attack and cause us to die yeah. So even when threatened with physical harm, the hostages still work a compassionate towards their blocked, or so so also suggested, shooting the span in the leg to shake up the police cause. It had been. It's like this one and six Fuckin day Loescher yet, and so like a one point to like what shoot him in alike, to showing me in business and in the sense that he thought it was kind of them that they would shoot him just a leg and not an authority is Nigeria. Yes, so Elizabeth Auguring complained of cluster phobia, this power is a low where, for me, he they tied a rope around her neck as they were in the bank and let her walk outside the bank fought and just hang out, which is like Roger grading her, but she was really grateful forever. That's like the one hint of these two or the like the hence Stockholm Syndrome,
the king, sent to me. Yes, that, there's that they deadly had a sway over these media, they were doing things that may be warrant the costs re before just grateful that they were having a not the worst. I am sure that that that the shape of all this was this, is it true going to be a traumatic experience within it? It's not being a traumatic experience like oh great or the little kindnesses in between that like make that a show that everything's going to be ok, which is all your fucking grasping for, is that something is going to be? Okay, yes, and so when people come along and give you those assurances, then your kind of like well now I love you re has other than this. I'm just I'm blot em in the dark entirely and I think I might die so whatever you say to me is gonna start becoming very meaningful and make you very powerful right down the. So it isn't Hollywood. I relate entirely it's like being fuckin held hostage.
Sandy last six days, that's fucking crazy vault. They closed the door to the wall. They have no food and water and after coupons if in the corner for real, I think so, I'm making various, but they were locked in the vast, so they must have had to go to the bathroom in the corner this is not criminal. There's! No! Here's your proof! How is that their big? I don't think so. I know I think so, because I think a Clark says that the air he appreciate them going through this disgusting. The event with him, and so I think they were shooting the coroner if they were shooting it. I just be like you know, here's the thing now. I have
I really have closed or phobia around share. A guy could be out and open fields, but if you say expelling away from Miss Eyre s sets craze, wouldn't maybe maybe there's Vol Bathurst made Is one emergency welt bath? What, if you like it, you know how they have saved as a box. Yes go! There's a lot of people got nice surprise, the next couple of years due and using. How much is this shit
fifteen million dollars guys we can make all of our colleagues because it's the Stockholm Syndrome story, which inherently is about violence, not affecting people in the normal re. Oh yeah, it's basically our story. It our origin story, can put anything in that. We want baboon six days convicts Duna physical harm to the hostages and on the night of except for the pooping thing. I think that is very harmful. Very August. Twenty eight, after more than a hundred and thirty hours police may certain drilling holes in the wall, the hops were to happen. Then they finally put in tear gas, which is accepted. Dick moved the hostages re right, but I mean, after the I think, there's so much pressure the whole countries watching, if not more than words like, will. What are these cops gonna agenda like it's gonna suck for them, but that its this isn't like or not killing them. When it came out when it came down to the end, they were just like: ok, either we drill holes and put tear gas in there. We go with the bees idea. I, which I still don't think, is a terrible idea, I'm still on board with drawing Karen's idea under Heaven, but bees theirs. It there's a drunk Karen in Sweden that called that an she's like issues like enters, we should accept, but the
The idea of like the they had didn't they had to move it forward ass. They said he I ever is stalling and they knew I think the bullies at that time knew they couldn't do anything truly violent, because raids, Cuming Watch, they were being launched in the whole thing became about police violence, and you know, Clark called the newspapers and everything was letting them know that everything is fine here, no one's being hurt just so that they couldn't spin the story and make him seem all violent, crazy, unladen, amazing, yeah, so yawn and Clark quickly, surrender and the police want the hostages to come out first, but the hostages are like we ve fucking refuse. We know you're gonna shoot them if their last so they're coming out with us, while which is like their protecting their lives. Yeah point in the doorway of all the three women the freely
kiss all sin and of some good bye and Sven shake hands with them. I have three four six reckoned day as the UN and the police sees the gunman and law that happens to that Hastigt cry out, don't hurt them. They didn't harm us while Kristen is wheeled away in a stretcher and their stone of her sitting up in her stretcher like watching to make sure there. Ok, all she says Clark. I will see you soon. Oh, she lay clerk. I think that- and I think internet plucking up later here? Are you being so? I swear to God in the criminal he mentions a ghastly. We look closer than friends. I swear he's. A real he's done like had he's a he's: a real, slow and cereal fella. It later came out that, during the stand off he had soothed Kristen when she had a bad dream and he gave her a bullet from his gun as a keepsake. Now me it's just that came because somebody,
It's like looking out of real, unlike she's. Like I'm, also what if Jesus like you personally, they are bad. Jesus was like a bad guy. Now you know that is not an arm round, but I think you're right about arms are observed, and I think it is the aim there is a manipulation, obviously of cause, it's not normal feelings as normal situation, but I just keep thinking like after six days, you ve hung out with people where they're like look, I don't wanna, be a bank robber. I actually used of a dream. He of becoming a great one why, whatever things swedish speaking monarchy and it's like in my dreams were deferred well, it's like they have enough time to get there. I get the stories straight, so it's like you can empathize with why they do, and here is either going because the ball door was locked. There were also in the dark, the holes were drilled until the end to it. While so like. That's that
went through some yet may when addressing that really that Canada turns that spends as well and the smell ok, it was like stinky podcast, where they all became best friends, we I looked out flight. Let's start at both the public and police work, fuck and totally perplexed by the hostages, seemingly irrational attachment. Their captors, the police, beginning to investigate whether Christian was part of the robbery plot. To begin with, I would like this is so impossible. She must be fuckin part of this year. The captives were confused too. They the following day, one of the other messages asked a psychiatrist? Is there something wrong with me? Why don't I hate them like they were confused to write psychiatrist, we're like let's psychoanalyze, let us mother Fucker compared the behaviour to the wartime, shall shock exhibited by soldiers. You now and split. The hostages have become emotionally indebted to their abductors and not the police for being spared death yeah
It makes sense, sweetest, psychiatrists Niels, bears your out later, coined the term Stockholm Syndrome to describe, so called captor bonding, which became part of the popular lexicon. Nineteen, seventy four, when it is used as a defence fur, the kidnapped newspaper, heiress, Patty Hearse, who assisted the radical Simba unease, liberation, army, captors and a series of bank robberies her fucking, that it didn't work, low, her defence and I'm so horrified by this, that she was sentenced to thirty five years in prison and laid it will introduce to seven years? that's so crazy as an idea. I still think it's a miscarriage of justice. The whole story is so be idea, like only in the seventies could not happen because it was it was so. Anna was in San Francisco RE, so there it is yeah, it's just
above and beyond everything, and that all those like she is so gorgeous the actors of her. The whole thing is like weird movie that lies, but in realise flankers. The hostages were feet, so the hostages wouldn't testify against a bank robber and cursing even light on the stand saying that Clark had never held a gun during the six day stand off. Oh wow, she fuckin lives go and she was gone down for her man. Yeah she's at you do Londonderry punished. In fact she said she would have given him a metal if it were up to her mean charm goes a long way and they have metals for that. No further, lack of extreme violence. There were not good number one for not murdering than by in that scenario your you work at a bank. You kind of fear this all the time I've already run through what could happen and how bout it could be. So the thing is happening that you fear, but
with people that are like. We don't want to hurt you. I just don't want this money when they're still that little bit of like chance that they could again. That things could go wrong and you could still be curled and yet so terrifying, yeah, linear, shooting in a corner that part, the M Yawn was sentenced to ten years in prison for the robbery and Clark didn't go to prison at offer his crime, because he was do you guys made me go, he can't be now he was holding. Do it, but he's been back in prison many times since then no shit and so either even after they returned to prison. The hostages made jailhouse visits to their former captain LAO. I now, and yawned was released in nineteen eighty and once freed he married one of the many women who sent him in mining letters while incarcerated own eye, and they like had a kid together. They went fuckin stray they they own like mechanics place or something well have a normal life,
so he has a normal life because of being involved in that maybe well because she sent the letter lay adds. That was the inciting incident. You gotta hope that's what the movie plots gotta hear and since the robbery Yon has not been convicted of another any other crimes great and has openly apologize for the hostage situation. Also yeah and that's the story, the Fuckin, Stockholm Syndrome, God I feel like that might be best case scenario. Any true crime story. You could doc you. Yes, I hope yours isn't horrible. It is the worst. Are you already held on Wednesday frank, I'm ready to concentrate on you as our phone. I know I love him. I mean they're, really good good idea. Georgian. I just took a break between just a quick bathroom break up and I have to say. First of all, we have to make a rule
the longer the matter during taping yeah, I'm not allowed to use the trees down a bathroom. Now, it's her my foreign, after only economic auditing aloud. I just I just did a serious amount and placing it on four. Oh, I couldn't stop by the thing as I did it It makes me incredibly proud and grateful because we run our own company now, where we as Daniele, who runs our network king.
Please get a spare tweezers for this bathroom, because every time I go in there there's a hairs. There were I'm like wise. No one telling of aligning is gonna, be like this fine, but we're gonna need a solution for, and we may need to be able to do not feel a victim's around face area and we work or amongst and around people. We we ve gotten this crew with us that don't mean hearing about what a great plucking session you just had an early. May I just don't want to get fired. I mean hired files. Stephen would be expressing his true feelings if he didn't feel so threatening Stephen knows that I have a little deodorant in the bathroom like ours trimming. My mustache there's a little bit save lives here and even you're not allowed to do that. Cotton tobacco that was just like that was, like a personal hygiene break that no one wanted corner. Ok, we're prepping to go on this big Tribune hand so, and we just recording episode. So this episode deafening snuck up on me. So when I was looking for a story, I first try to think what have I done that I really do didn't think Stockholm Syndrome either so mad at myself. So what I did was I googled the phrase.
Disappeared from the forest to see what would come on it's brilliant and which is a good way to do it, because the first came up. Was this amazing article from two thousand eight from the Ellie Weekly there was written by a writer named Christine Pella sack was the guests. How you pronounce your name and that from that was the story that basically gave me this story that articles in the Alley lonely from eleven years ago, and then the supporting articles were found on murder, pdf and basically we it. You talk to turn about how I lay in the seventies. There are all these freeway murderers. There are so many serial killers in our land in the seventies that there were actually subsets and types of sea They'll kill us that you could be in freeway killers or one of them right- and this is this- is this so this hits on a bunch of my things, which is the disappear from the forest thing, the freeway color thing, and then
you know the thing I will talk about where, because of the way, the new cycle is because the way the country is right out the politics, knowing that I always talk about water, that things were not hearing about, because everything's getting eaten up all day by basically the crumbling of democracy and reality This is what happened in the seventies that's why no one's ever heard of MAC Re Edwards that old serial killer lick the serial killer of children in LOS Angeles. Or the seven wholly share s. Ok, so I've never seen this guy's picture of never heard his name. I know it and believe it so it starts here
March twenty third nineteen, fifty seven eight year old, Tommy Bowman, is on a short hike with his father, his brother, his sister, his uncle and his two young cousins and they're, going along the Arroyo Seko Trail in Pasadena therefrom, Adona, Beach, the Bowman family and their spending. The damn basically alter Dena together. Essentially, I think the family from the beach wanted to go up into the mountains and high ground daisy like that, would have a track for the day back then, and now it's like a fuckin errand, you run vs and bend back. Then it was like we're all gonna get into the corner without our cell phones and we're gonna drive up into the mountains, where they locker cell phones at how big data, our in the future. So- and this is the bat story turned the ends of the Hague.
Tommy races. He basically says to his cousins up all race you to the car now and there are only a quarter of a mile away from the parking lot off the trail where they started. So they all watch Tommy race ahead and turned a corner and they never see him again at the facts. Yes, so when the rest of the Romans get to the parking lot, they don't see him anywhere. They immediately called the police and a week long that turn on, Think a ghost, as you have just fucking turn on by itself than just turn on by itself, Stephen You later, if you invited allude to it with an old timer van that happens again, I'm if that happens again, and so they immediately call the police and a week long search ensues helicopter scour the eleven miles stretch of the Arroyo Seko from Mount Wilson and SAM Gabriel's, too,
Pasadena. They add more he's officers even Tommy's fathers named Elden and his co workers from the company he works for start showing up to help search for Tommy, on foot on the area nothing's found at Tommy. Fiscally disappeared without trace, so there's no solidly so investigators. Their grasping first draws and there's theories that Tommy may have been taken by a mountain Mayan. You know, or some there like a wild animal Mary. There was also a theory. That he'd somehow wandered to the who they were Eight nearer, J, P, L, the jet propulsion laboratory yeah, which we too, We had a tour of an eye and Scotty, let us that was kind of close by so they were thinking he wandered into that parking lot and someone from J P all kidnapped him.
The thing there yesterday, as we have really those people are too smart to together and their worried about space, but basically there trying to theorize of what the hell could have higher. There's. No, of course evidence to support either of these theories and nothing ever comes from out, so they can disappear and then to dip. Female eye witnesses, come forward to say that on the day of Tommy's disappearance, they had seen a little boy who looked like Tommy, walking on the trail near out to drive in Pasadena, crying and they told police that just behind the boy was, deeply tanned dishevelled looking man in Khakis and applied shirt, one woman says he's wearing applied short woman's. One woman says he's wearing a White T shirt, so the investigators start questioning rest Reggie, sex offenders in the area. Waltz Tommy's, fathers, employer the Northrop Corporation, the one who people here
workers came to try to search that north or corporation, puts up a calf reward for information leading to finding Tommy. But now of those efforts brings any new leads a few days after Tommy's disappearance and identified man claims that he is holding Tommy Bowman and he demands a twenty five hundred dollar ransom so and exchanges set up at a gas station and evil rock police. Of course, are staking out when the man arrives to get the cash police arrest him, they find out the whole things you them. He is trying to get money thing to do. It's such a strangely unstable and weird thing to know where people couldn't be in a worse. These and you're, like maybe I'll, make money on it so grows by nineteen. Sixty the case of Tommy Bowman's disappearance goes cold. Okay, so always kept a fall of two thousand five. Now nearly fish
years later in the fall of two thousand five and author named west into wild. So this is the guy who this article, that I that I found here is about exit out this author, so he is a successful author and he's doing research on the jogging trails near his house in Pasadena. When someone tells him about long ago, Miss disappearance of Tommy. Both members like I want to know how the river flows in my area like ass, well ass. You about your friends at the murdering o clearly, and someone like you want to know how the river flows habit. I tell you what shitty things are happening right behind your house like so, but western the wildest intrigue teasing author. She ass, you know so he starts looking into this case. He states that when he starts doing this digging, he realizes quote. He made a decision that if he could find some of Tommy's relatives alive, I would a book about what it meant to a family to wonder for fifty years right,
breaking. So he gets he's basically he's an he s like completely helped by the fact that this boy, basically just disappeared off the face of the earth, and nobody had any answers for fifty years. So lesson to wild makes contact with Tommy Bowman's Father Elden an elder actually invites him over to his house and see me valley where now lives and when he, when Western gets their elders laid out. All the investigative materials he's kept about his sons case for the past fifty years on the dining room table. So there's letters and there's photographs and there's all newspaper, clangs and basically everything that western might want to now and after lengthy lengthy discussion. Elden agrees to let western to wild petition the l, a county shares department to reopen the cow. So basically, The wild goes, and he starts meaning with LAPD to talk about this and how case needs to be reopened and overtime. He becomes friends with the coal gas
TAT Dave, Vivian Flores, who had been working this case since that time, and she helps him sift through all the this file. Amateur in all the basically the available evidence and their when is looking through it western signs, an eyewitness sketch of the tanned dishevelled man that was seen walking behind on a way as to eye witnesses and immediately western recognises this. It's in this sketch as being very similar to a photo he had seen while researching child abductions. The photos from nineteen seventy and it was of a man being led into a court roman handcuffs and that man was fifty one year old, heavy equipped. And at least at the time of the picture, was taken. Fifty you one year old, heavy equipment operator named, back Edwards God chills right. So he sees it and his leg he's here and they I miss, he's he's being arrested for
EL, the so who this guy same guy, blue, we'll talk a little bit about. Edwards. He moved. He was an Arkansas native that moved too so Marco Fournier in the late forties. He had just been married in Arkansas Susan newlywed. He had been a combat engineer in World WAR, two, he he and his wife in so more adopt two kids. He joined the union of operating engineers and gets a job building and repairing alleys freeways he's basically it just a heavy equipment operator and all this is the time where they just our building, all these freeways all around outlay, and so that's what he basically works on he. Why operates a heavy machinery that Caltrans uses to build? All these freeways entered like to grade clear the land? I know where this is gonna, be I you do ok, so
Is described as having edge quote generally dorky demeanor, so he wears glasses a doesn't drink. He doesn't swear he's very friendly, Alban neighbours like him. He actually owns horses that he lets the neighbourhood kids ride, he's also known for taking the neighbourhood. Kids camping, oh, I bet he fucking area, so he's very well liked in the community's he's that great guy that so nice one thousand red flag loves children get away creep all sentiments go away on March Fifth, nineteen, seventy one Edwards walks into the Foothills station of the LOS Angeles depicted police department. He puts a loaded gun on the front desk and tells the duty officer. I have a gilt, complex hats, so he's taken into an interview room where he eventually confesses to the kidnapping of three young sisters from sale MAR, let it happen. The day before. Okay, so basically,
according to Edwards, he tells police that he and a teenage accomplice had broken in to the three girls home during early morning hours after their parents had left the house for the day there they were robbing the house and then then they abducted the girls. So there are sisters aged twelve, thirteen and fourteen. I do not know why you'd want to fuck with three sisters in that aid rings. That's dangerous! Yeah! These idiots didn't know it that they were about to find out there before they left the house. They forced the girls to write, notes their parents saying they were running away from home which is fighting Eve, also able so they get the girls in the car they drive to the Angela's National Forest. Witches deter. Those words here put strike fear into the heart at some. Point, during this abduction, no two of the three sisters get away, and then the third sister is left their Edward. It's an his teenage accomplice, of course panic
and words knows that these girls can identify him he's their old neighbour, so they they knew who he was there. He was like. Oh, this is over so that the Edwards and his accomplice just leave and they leave the third sister in the more as ok. So Edwards knows that sooner or later he's gonna get caught late. This situations on totally out of control, so he decides, I'm just gonna cut to the chase and turn my often because it's gonna happen anyway. Why wait for it and it turns out the Good NEWS about all of that is that those girls were not attacked in any way or physically harmed by those men. They basically scrambled the situation and got themselves out of it before anything. Back had happened, maize, aside from the the kidnapping, a shelf it so Austria and just think like there's Eugene don't mess with sisters, so junior high level had thrice esters. They will martyr, urea, okay, so So MAC Edwards
he basically lick the police. Ask him why the hell it decided to kidnap these girls and he tells them he planned, or rape and murder, all three of them. Hopefully, she end then Edward says to the police. Now there's other matters to discuss and MAC Edwards goes on to confess that between the span of nineteen fifty three Nineteen sixty nine o mighty, kidnapped and murdered. Six children- oh my god, so this is what he confesses do and what the police just have to the camp right fast and oh yeah, to say what what is happening here. First, it was an eight year old girl named Stella Nolan, so she disappeared from of the free market that are mom worked out in Norwalk on June Twentieth, nineteen, fifty three. So the story was that her
I have to work. She knew that her daughter would be bored she's an eight year. This big flee markets. As she said, you can walk around, but you have to come back every hour on the hour and check in with me another here, and so that's what they. That was the plan, that's what they'd always done and this day June twentieth when she was to check in at nine o clock. She never showed up so immediately. The mother knew something was wrong. Stella was super responsible on really smart and would not just blinded it. So she called the police immediately, but she was again It was a child who just disappeared without trace. No one saw anything and that case what old for sixteen year, I next, thirteen year old, Don Baker and eleven year old, Brenda Howl they gone by together in same Gabriel, Canyon on August six, nineteen fifty six and they were never seen again As the bodies could not be found, this case, there's just no evidence that casement cold
His confession was especially shocking because Brenda Howl, the eleven year old, was actually MAC, Edwards sister in law. He was as it was his wife's little sister that he murdered yeah so then he swears that he's that he stopped murdering children for twelve years grey. He tried to get it altogether changed on November twenty six nineteen sixty eight when he shot and killed sixteen. World Gary Rocher in roaches home in Granada Hills. Then his sons. Classmate was a sixteen year old, name, Roger Madison and Roger, had left his house for the evening. Never to be seen again turns out that Edwards had Lord him into an Orange grove, and stabbed him repeatedly on December fourteen nineteen sixty eight, so just killed him right there. Finally,
Edwards confesses to kidnapping thirteen year old, Donald Todd from his Pacoima home on May 16th, one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine Donald's body was found under a footbridge. He been sexually assaulted and shot to death. So Edwards said all these crimes were motivated by an urge for sex, so he assaulted all of these reasons, and that was basically what was behind all this. So these investigators know that in this twelve year period, where he sang I was recently I was trying to be good I'd, my family and all this there just like now, so He. Basically, he confessed to these six martyrs pleads guilty to three of kidnapping and three counts of murder, because those of wood, the they only have the bar three victor right, he's immediately found guilty and sentenced to death and you sent to San Quentin and he's put on death row
the reason that we ve never heard- or at least it I've never heard of of MAC. Re Edwards because when he went to jail and when all this like this story broke, it was exam at the same time as the man and murders and when they arrested child Manson and the Manson family. Also, it completely got obliterated by the Manson murder, Storing crazy. I find this is it shot. This is a I child serial killer here, Sir, they'll kill a serial killer of children, which is, I think, the worst I mean Tal Anita adults about via so basically, he just disappears because a man said when he goes to San Quentin. Two cells down right, Charles Manson, yes, roar asking united a boring that fuckin any of the whole, the babbling that went on and not block but and two there is actually a a teenage prisoner.
It was only identified as being named Norberto. That was the person between- oh, my god, he's like. So he has Charles Man's on one side who he said he actually enjoy talking a macro Edwards more because Charles Man's will be nice one second offering him cigarettes and then threatened to kill him the next second. Meanwhile, Edwards was really friendly and normal the whole time, but then starts tellingham about all the other he's kill. Now. Yes, so he's doing that jail has confession, slash brag thing here to the poor guy in the cell. Next to him where he said he couldn't sleep at night cause the guy was just talking and telling him all these other kids art. So It's all about it so horrible, so Basically, when he's found guilty any send to San Quentin, he tells the he tells them
I want to be electric funeral after chair. Can you move me up to the front of the line? There's some people that are there there waiting and there are sweating pray I want. I want to be in their electorates all I've ever wanted there like yeah doesnt work like that friend as it is all you ever wanted now, you'll, never get it right back and terrified of yeah yeah. So the request is denied. He makes several suicide attempts. And finally, in a vessel of nineteen, seventy one map, Re Edwards, hangs himself of the tv court in his prison cell at the age. Fifty two so August were now back to August. Two thousand six. Our western world has dinner with MAC Edward seventy six year old widow and her family. How way? Yes, so he's basically saying I'm trying to investigate these murders, I'm trying to get these victims families some kind of an- is never closure by some kind of answer, and he too
dinner brings Bill Gleason whose consultant for the California, Department of Justice, and so during that visit, MAX widow reveals he'd written a confession letter to her right before his suicide from jail, and in the letter Edward says this about his original confession up. I was to add one more but thou the Tommy Bowman Boy, the disappeared in Pasadena, but I felt like I would really make a mess of it. Of that one, so I left him out of it. So oh then while finds that MAX employer and nineteen sixty nine was a company called cursed construction and they had an equipment yard less than half a mile for our Tommy Bowman, whiteness chat and in this letter, Edwards also tells his wife that he'd only killed one of the six children that he'd admitted to and that the person responsible for the other five murders was his quote, crippled neighbour, as does the way he describes,
basically told his wife he's trying to cover for this neighbour, raise the one who really did one a hero so but West into what looks into this story. There's no neighbour their mother had been risk so listen to all the other. He tracks down Edwards, arresting officer to get more information days, trying to fill in these gaps and that guy some to another guard that Edwards had kind of this funded before he was transferred to San Quentin, so that got the second guard tells the world that Wall imprison Edwards confessed to him that he was actually responsible for eighteen the murders not just says she's us when the guard asked Edwards, why you didn't confessed to all of them at all. I told him that it was because the cops had quote said bad things about me in court. Ok,
they're allowed to demean air a bad guy yeah, but also its that weird kind of thinking where, because they dont care but other human beings, and they dont think about other things or whatever need. He doesn't see the difference during confessing to these six and letting all these other people off the hook for children that discipline peered out of the blue here for these poor so then these sell the guy that was in the cell between the answer. In order and an Edwards Roberto hurt, he said that Edwards confessed to at least twenty Jesus to him. We may never know the true count of his victims. Authority Or believe it's definitely safe to assume its more than six year, so the bodies of they have Edwards known victims, DAWN Baker, Brenda Howl and Roger Madison, or never found
Detective Floris had been focusing her efforts on finding Roger Madison's body. She finally gets a break when she discovered there's a transcript of MAC, Edwards Confession of the murder of Donald Todd, and in that confession, Edward says stabbed Madison in a still more orange grove and buried him along the twenty three freeway on Caltrans land in more park. A freeway was still under construction at the time, so Flores finds a retired Caltrans employ. This is how hard she's well, my gaze, I'm on the edge MRS. She finds a retired Caltrans employee who had kept detailed logs of the work he has done over the years like where and when so using his logs there the pinpoint the exact location of work. Caltrans had been working along twenty three freeway on December, sixteenth nineteen, sixty nine, so three months later of detective floors has court,
sniffing dogs sent to the area that where where they are was to have been working and those dogs all find the same spot. They can't like fifty years later, under some at right and so they that's when they're like okay, this is where we start so on. I told her six two thousand and eight Floris and her team start digging up the area next to the twenty three freeway and more work. Should they do dig for five days and Even though that there were dna tests taken of the area showed that Rogers DNA was their round penetrating radar said that there was something buried there and, of course the logs showed they see find anything and if they kept on digging, they were gonna have to shut down. The freeway could have been like. You know: five thousand feet, That's like such a bummer, so frustrating, and because this guy
essentially big. Not going to shut down the freeway that so the diggers called off and there's something so especially sinister. The fact that he this is this was the plan all along here, because when he was working on this freeways, basically he would time his murderers, knowing that they were about to go. Do now. One do basically be building these things so the night before he would go, dig the whole and then his his murder victims in these graves and then the next day it would all be covered over by his manner and freeways. That's the creep this thing I've ever heard, so it it's like the
The original freeway killer story, where it's like just bad vibes like that's what this is all about down here, that's what this fuckin creepy road re G arrow ceiling, but it was all rule that rural back them yes and like it was all families trying to come out here in and make a difference and now make their way yeah. Then there wasn't Hollywood and renewing, and it's just. It's crazy. It's it's so not so Sound is that isn't ends unsatisfying, as that is basically yeah shut down the freeways who cares behind those Romania it space. Red tape. It's not a half area. What's cool and lovely and small, but still important, is that Rogers sister came in
That's to leave flowers next, to basically the excavation area where they were trying to find him, and they are the police who are standing by and the Caltrans employees. Everybody like remove their hats and had a moment of silence. For Roger Medicine and MS loss of life and They basically had to cover all over so despite claims. No one believes that, of course, MAC Edwards went dormant for twelve year I trained Brenda Howl and on bakers, double martyr and Gary roaches murder. So western world Vivian Flores many LAPD Cold case detectives. Can to this day to try linking MAC, Edwards movements and personal timeline. With all the old cases of missing and murdered children in southern California, and that is the deeply disturbing and little known story of Macro Edwards alleys these known serial killer of children back there
Anne, who no net fuck. What a crazy story: yeah good job Thank you. It gets me in so many ways now he's the he lets everybody right, their horses nation with a hammer error, he's molesting, murdering piece of shit. He also they eventually it will. You know, as they dug up all these files and everything before he left Arkansas. He had molested a girl. It was probably the reason that he laughed and came out. So it's like EAST just got the longest track record. It's just so, and what a perfect place to come to your leg in a small town in Arkansas that you get run out of because your molesting someone you gotta allay, will act like it's a big sprawling anonymous city. That's a growing ya gotta be fr. You aspect is so chilling and also the way he did it, where some how he was able to
get in and out of these places, unseen and unnoticed. He's gonna, like just kind of the master of that thing, were, however, he did it in, and the idea that Tommy Bowman was crying when he was walking up. That's real man was behind him. Clearly, he knew how to very quickly like win the favour of, and then intimidate children, or is it a time and a place where you minder on fuck and business, and so no one is noticing these things and it's just a kid crying yet and an absurd, and they don't think my doubts remain dad, and yet none of your business yeah right it was so long before it like this is pre. So much tat. He asked or injure danger its pre. Everything words is like you could get your kids, you could hit your neighbors kids, everybody gets here, yeah everyone see, there's no one gets looked out for kids Euro alike hiking alone. I mean he was but you know is, does that it was the time where you're, just like sheriff you wanna go often wander around for a while sure do yeah yeah
just didn't now. We then no one, no polite to adults and yeah. And assume that if somebody you now whether its own horses or goes to church or whatever is like every. The buying everybody else's. Mask a hundred percent outright and like sounds good, if you're a man and you have a job and your blue collar, and you're nice Thea, no one likes slackening children, camping, gray, now good job. Thank you that I needed put something in Google Ex similar and give a story like that cause. I was fuckin yeah, Haider, yeah Emily calling for an hour of all it was doors all pater, the worst of operators, but also, it said, tat the thing where you, I always think I've heard everything yeah you're bit, of course, not there's so much terrible shit out there so much and we pay. This will bring into effect
I find out that we ended up a sense. Can you believe we have to do go on for two hundred and Stephen just do its familiar with our end of everything we have is that the gallery you'd look at what was my idea the other day of a compilation of the like one. Word from every episode, Alec Stephen, I know you're busies stand if we're gonna do a two hundred percent order. We just do like a great moment from every Georgia. Go sorry! Sorry, sorry, I'm from Ghana that how is disposed to do that now, like oh yeah, I'd or not- and this is a kind of his kind of running- exactly rights, Audio engineering programme, kind of producing side, other particles right now simultaneously, as well as several pilots, but yeah, no less, to work out what sir I am and do you have a say,
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I can't wait. It's gonna be our christmassy over there and shit, which I love. Yeah we're gonna eat the best fucking through yes, we're gonna. How all this time on the airplane to work? That's terrible age is going to be great. I really am really looking forward to this trip and then yeah. The three of us are going to Fucking Barcelona yeah for the last three days. Just to have a were calling it a work. Retreat its accompany retreats raise concerns. They can't wait, it's gonna want or need. So much you know that the company retreat is me, Lange and your guises bed in your hotel around, without over that's being drawn up that employees just give me or hours I'm.
Look at you to hear. You say that, because you know at by the end of our spare the Fuckin Winter Spring tour, which really was just the entire first half of twenty nineteen year, it really fella. Neither of us ever wanted to do it ever again. It was so ino. It was long. It was since then it was whatever. So I'm glad, I am glad that you know the attic enough time off that this is actually like, IE eight, because it is still fun and exciting. I think my I definitely a piggy back on that because I am truly so excited and but also it today. So I, of course leave everything last minute today in between six other things at arms was to do. I random May seats just to get some tights and what have you actually get using eyes, but as I was standing there in line, which was very long, and I start in my head base.
They like, as, if I'm on the phone work going. Can you please higher more people? Yes, the holiday there's like it's one, o clock in the afternoon, and that were a deep here. At the end, the laundry section mazes light. Instead of doing that, I was just kind of trying to A mine out my thing that I'm working on now. Thank you. Tar Brok is this just awareness of what you're thinking so that you can change your thought pattern, Sicilians like if I'm standing there and my habit is too mentally yell at people, maybe just put their paws on that and see. What's action happening around me that I could be enjoying instead of being in my thoughts negatively, ok and I'm standing, I realize I'm standing as a huge display of pajamas and there they will cut a cozy and there like flannel red plaid, the jam, as has so I start touching like I want flannel my pet pledges out of nowhere,
This lady comes around the corner. Goes I got pajamas just like that for my grandchildren, they all matched. We took a picture, it was the greatest she starts telling I some mandatory rise ground rise. Grandma, who had no, there was not even it was as if I told her, could you meet me here, one or you're. Like a talk about that, I wish I had a story about these pajamas and then boom around the corner, and I realise, when I'm not in my head pretty, acting and make problems or trying to mortgage your problems. I'm the kind of person people walk up to until random you, yes, ok, a hundred percent. If I can keep myself presents okay- and that is, I have to remind myself I love that led the way she told me that story and as as, if it was vital information to know there was gonna help me decide whether or not it can get these pajamas just like yes, and then she agenda as she walked away. While they were, I wasn't thinking of them really. For me ass. It was conceptual, but I was like
Christmas. My sister always gets me for damages and slippers are the best fucking gifts for people. Everybody always needs Anwar allows the last always but ass she walked away. She goes, I don't know, I'm gonna do this year and then I yell after her leg you can. You can do it. If you didn't last year, you can get this you're unhappy, it's only. It was the funniest moment. So anyway, it was just a little reminder. Heightening like open yourself to surprise grandma's, yes, because that's That is the stuff of life. Here. It's not the satisfaction you get yelling at people, because there's none of people working as a counter that doesn't give me anything now leads me entirely, even when it's just mental there were alike,
being matters or stallion is in a glance and shit. They didn't I now it doesn't do anything and also its just like an unlucky enough to be here shopping an orderly way, you're gonna get to the front of the line at some point. Yes, you might as well talk to us about am really obsessed with this pressing. Summarize grandma is kind of the greatest because also they're all around us, but if you're not if I am not pay attention and if I need to feel like the way I control the world is pre argue everything, so they are not ready. I'm running my own good time hooker and I- and I am, I think, I'm getting ok it try. We keep in mind but like especially on this trip that's when you need to do the most cause. I have so many flights, yes unused, anticipate. This is gonna, be bad in this as like. None of these are all opportunities, have surprise grandma moments. I love, oh, my!
and that's the riots answered away. So, let's, let's all keep our surprise grandma diary for a trip back until these stories are sealed, relax tomorrow and will do, let's do we'll have a girl arise. Grandma arise garlic. However, you are awesome But let us look at some fuckin thing two listening you guys. We appreciate you so much. I was at a bar last night and this crying girl came up to me breaking out and said I just goddamned but see I'm seeing. I just ran into you and it made mine. I was so sweet that such a nice thing for such a shitty I now or allowing like fuck him thought Harry may so happened me. You and your friends are all around you yeah. It's so I said to look up your murdering friends there here just such a rag community ino, as you say that sorry, but I just had one where I walked- stir boats, I was actually just walking out of the Starbucks and a girl was walking in.
And she had the moment as we were passing the doorway, where she went and I stopped and I was like yeah and then she, didn't know what to do, and I will and I had I was on my of course I was already ten minutes late, but I had to stopping at Starbucks and she stood there for a moment and I was like I get to see or not trying to Canada and it and then she just looked around and started going to the rest of us are about, and so I just left. So I apologise to her because her excitement was real. I'm sorry that I don't like that
like the beginning and not the end so bail and I apologize. I apologize so differently and I we really, but this was a small quiet. Starbucks thy has been super. A part of it was like idealized. May I go back tomorrow and mainly I need to be able to go back happened in my manicure plays a couple times and I am sure they're running who the fuck is. This issue must be lunatic by. That was the point of saying thinks you guys were showering. Ask yourself lucky supporting as even when we, when I don't make it seem like it's what I want. I want to thank you for doing. It demands the world or so grateful were grateful. We get to go to the UK and Ireland again. We can't wait to tell you all about it. Amazing, it's gonna be real goods re. So thanks for everything, stay sexy and don't get martyred, thereby I'll miss you wanna cookie,
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