« My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

211 - It Was My Birthday, Forensic Files!

2020-02-27 | 🔗

Karen and Georgia cover the hijacking of Pan Am Flight 73 and the Tulsa race massacre.

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This is exactly right. Welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia, hard stern, scaring cow. It should be clear,
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or concise I'll say that confidently, but still doing the same thing like when I go to bed tonight. I can throw that on absolutely and just be rock to sleep so weird watching on the couch rigour they feel like are usually watch it. My hotel room, a nice big fat bear yeah. I was almost like. Maybe we should get it, I'm really anti tv and bedroom and as we do need one just to watch for the crimes. I wonder if that's because you read the same functions book I did in like two thousand and eight now. It just makes me sad. Ok, yeah, two aspects: we too leg dating a guy with a mattress on the floor and went out at a watch it in his room is as relates, are out for his eleventh parents. I'm sure you now it's that scene. He's counselling going turn down. My dad's gonna get man re or he then turned that dialogue and falls asleep. Then, if you try to turn it off, it goes lodging that those who are you oatmeal, yeah, that for summaries, reminds me of the one time
terrible twenties still drinkings. I must of his under twenty seven and I would guess I was twenty five at a party at my how terrible it terrible time to be alive really difficult, especially when her taking speed everything's going too fast, and I wait a party, my house and I was so kind of wired that couldn't really get anything done when I remembered is going I'm putting on mascara for literally in our early. I couldn't I couldn't
you forward rate in motion and uneven do next step. No, I was I caught up very nervous, very like who's gonna com, and I was excited because this person was gonna, be there and when I went to clean my room, which was like the last thing I did. I just picked up all the clothes on the floor, which there are plenty because I too shopping addiction at times to replace my food addiction that end and supplemented by my speed addiction, you gonna. Let supplements that you're, ok, right, if you don't ever not working on one actively move on to the other ones. There's plenty of substances who abuse. I took all the clothes on my floor through them in the closet, and it made a stack of that was literally four feet. High of us like a solid mass of clothes, and then I just shut the door and asked Melick cigarettes to imagine a hack, cetera, everything's, not exactly our clothes. It was like mid ninety as everything smelled like nirvana and depression and conduct commercialize depression at one point during the party, everyone was in my room and eyes like this. Is the life I've opulent like having literally there's a good cause to Qatar guy or my friend Danny Serbia's shout out ends
from Laura Milligram gets up to fucking leave and she opens the closet door she had hidden her person was. It is, though, is a party filled with people she knew? No, I got only I'm there. She threw her person, my closet, so in front of everyone open the wall of laundry for a purse off the top of it and then like by attacking that simply said, Melick early, so hilarious, nationally and in what are their rooms? Look like those people their true, I that's what made me think of it is like such at that
time is such a time of undone. Laundry yeah grossest way to live. I'm still there could. I think my garage is hunted, and I don't like going sound, is kind of like the laundry women's its home denominated in their yeah. That's swell garages, our kind of creepy and dark. Do you not have good lighting up? There are no it's an old like grant like original Ella grandma like it hasn't been hatched since the forties, except by like motor oil and like through every kind of pink, that's ever been used in the house from the since the nineteen bodies is in there in its bucket ray, and it's not like highly mass as like what room it was for its just like it's scary. Yes, since ancient its ancient fit, I guess I guess you can fix up like that. I don't know I mean I was over there in em. We can put up some posters likely posters yeah, get that thing. You think it will be our hang, let's bring out the garage and turn it into your. She shall, then I will do garage beer sometimes and its privileged. That's you open the garage. He wrote his mouth camping chairs and we just sit out. Then you got a refrigerator for the garage vicious something homeowners do that I had never experience re only to set and drink M Jd. Unlike the neighbors walk lie like either. They must be Airbus MBA. Behold it better, not limit our neighbour nor likewise garage beers, really making my heart growth three times larger as beer, that sculled relationship goals that hell and, as I said, we have a perfectly nice deck with a view to resettle fucking. You mad now our eyes backing cobweb spiderwebs everywhere, yes, you're making a euro trash, there's trash shoots virtual! Did you ever watch the show?
I think it was always the one where everyone confronts people about their addictions, o intervention zest. Did you ever see the one a little the lady that was addicted to pills and she would sit in the garage in her house smoking chain smoking because she was allowed to re inside the house alive and come in the house to show that there are literally. She was only ever out sitting in this launch here in the garage and her children would come out to talk to her and her one son was like super, like kind of weepy all the time just because his mom was never. I inside the house and finally got category. We have yes, the phantom yeah. That was one alone, that it's such a good show in its that thing, where that's how it
especially these days with pills and, as we have all learned with the fucking oxy Cotonou, like deluge on this country, it so easy to get pills out live in a pill. Were I to be like their prescribe to me, as I am allowed to take these, which I got. I fuckin crazy back to ensure and also you need solutions for immediate awful problems and and then, when they turn to other problems, you just start adapting. She was I I I. Identified with her soo. Much like I don't need to do is one thing, and then she couldn't get out of that chair, amazing. Its garage beers is the polar idea you guys are doing the opposite entrant. That's right! Sorry! I brought it in speaking of that. I don't know
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murder. I made Stevens mud, I'm using it again Jody Mr Doe, the areas areas mug. I was appearing on Mother Mass Leap with hot Cason and I wanted to bring gives its a straight up sharply straight up sharply but then baked so it, alas may then let it means its way over to exactly right and caring cooker of oh and then here's a follow up to eat. Also, unaware coincidence, I was also an extra in sleep over like George, I start, which I mentioned in my abode of mother Maistly, but why so? That's your new best friend their name again Chelsea at Kelly Blair, thanks colleague, lay I love that we found the person who make if this was a great design. The job work, though, that what else lots of people telling me about the musical rights Jesus fucking thing. Thank you guys, gray. Thank you
Jimmy comment. We loved another major and why and I live to know it- fifteen thousand there's a musical call parade, it's beautiful, their songs in it it's about LEO francs death and about Mary, Fagin Murder, and we are frank, smarter and I guess now we have to say after restage it on Broadway. We need to go, see it, but people were the people who wrote in who clearly are a musical uranos, really raved about how beautiful music, as I want to see us. Yet I swear and then many other people for the follow up. A pencil passion. Korea reminded me that black wing pencils are the best. There are, and I do have some wow. I just can't remember the name while we were talking. This is a world that I didn't know about lying. I was a thing now. If you ask me, what can a pencil I'd like I'd, say, number to re ion and there's no mechanical?
I like mechanical Panther, Ino Mechanical the great choice, though yeah cause you don't need a sharp and earlier in the end, they found Guiche throw a lot of stuff in your purse. If it breaks you just have a new pencil yeah, that's the best elevate mechanic, Add it right? mechanic at heart I would also just we announced last week that earlier friend and Coworker Bridger Wine occur his new pod cast. I said no gifts, gifts, you guys it sounds like you're saying gifts, lecture I ass, but its gifts. Yeah. No one talks like that. Those though, if you, if you can't put together the sentence, I said no gifts and not know that the word were saying is not gifts. I said no gifts, yeah, stop it for a vocal stock has stopped being fucking. Nineteen, please I as a favor to me: ok, your favorite sixty eight year old, I said no gift. Sir
the trailer is up on Itunes and everywhere you find your podcasting. You can listen to a sample of it and go subscribe and let's get those numbers up. Currently numbers are the big thing on ice, the Itunes Charlie. It's all about the numbers. Now, let's play the numbers game, everybody where not all about math, like that's our thing. No just a pencil yeah we're not in paying attention nowhere more about spirituality, YAP, spiritual numbers than those up, I'm
I'm at ten spiritually. I am a diameter city crystal Mcchrystal. Oh I'm platinum card member Buddhist. On my lad, I think so. My hair pissed has a park ass. Now, not to do it. I know you go to a second, thereby also first, Airbus, pod gangs. Actually, is that real yeah? It's good? I mean it's called your mental breakdown and its good check it out. Just a ringing endorsement is weird. I don't know if it's like, if it's like against protocol for me to plug, so thing that my therapist does he could she keeps giving examples you like this one girl, brown hair, MID, delayed thirty's. Oh she! Well, it's my own Vincent's! That's like a different thing.
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in some cases now you should start a therapy practice and, like oh here, really quick, I want to give you my business. We ve seen you plug my fair trade. Is your bike, your other class? I just wanted to get into your career path. Now you know how it is sweet. How was your trip to nor alone? Yes taken trip, I I just gotten dates mixed admin. So, instead of going to normalize for my friend care, lovely, carry Cassidy vintages second fortieth birthday celebration with a bunch of friends at an early and be in New Orleans Vincent. I went to weeks later on our own when she actually made the April bade the ticket reservation her actually over their renewal fervent Marty ground. We have a great time we'll just for two days, and I met, of course, second lovely murdering marinas at every location, and I m really fun. That's great yeah! Oh wait! I can we
talk about my favorite, murdering o interaction. Lately yeah georgian I were in we're going to some of the sum appointment together carry out what we are doing and skirl is coming out. We were in the parking garage and we were walking into the building this girls coming out and she was on crutches Thea and she looked at Essen went. Oh, oh, you know, what's up here and I started laughing. Does the her first initial look on her face was clearly like. Oh, you guys are Eureka, and then she just started yelling at being there and that she was just listening to us and fuck us. It was almost like. It was funny you to the universe. Unlike you can't trickery, funky air is always good. Going. Lariat he's out attack us tunnel. She was, she was like hobbling away like a cast on was delightful, so shout to her. She told us her name and now I can't remember tuna. Your number one and I hope, you're you're whenever is wrong if you gets well, I hope you're happy like air, like a mocking.
This is a story. I got from a Instagram account called history photographed and they pose. Like a fist Oracle photograph and then tell you about the story- and I had never heard this before and I wasn't do it not sounds like a good way to learn here. Is it totally as go by the things that don't catch your eye? Yeah then, when you're like? What's there might Linzer grant visas, all history, photographs in cats and dogs and some penguins and lake random shit? Now its financial able if this is a story about a cat, a dogma penguin going on, and adventure and nineteen eighteen, I will feel they are you fuck. I don't have a story this week, the papers rest labour got. You know this is this. Is the hijacking of PAN Am flight? Seventy three and the heroine of hijacking wow yeah? I can. I just ask one off my question. Always on the my going ok
Is there shooting in the plan on this money? I was gonna do ass. I was I
I actually think I asked J D start researching. Are you serious? Is it's so fucking guy? It's the one from eighteen. Eighty six, I think that's ok, you tell me rate, and yes I there's no. Let me hear you can tell me what I wish. You wouldn't tell me you're, acting like theirs to hijack inventory, as you did one already and now here's a second viruses that going. I grabbed, if only I mugged, J and took his other hijacking store in this regard article or involve info from a BBC article by Madame Mohan, an article from that a website called view from the wing by Gary less a medium article by car, thick Namby, an Wikipedia. So current alot was going on in nineteen, eighty six or their highways their sophomore year, baby. Ok, it was my prime. I was six years old. I now so I dont really remember this alive, but you probably do so. Please tell me about it. If you wanna jumpin at any point, oh yeah, you have no choice. I am as all about jump banana. So let me show you some shit about Nigeria. Six on January, twenty Eightth, seventy three seconds after launching space shuttle, challenger disintegrated, horrifying middle of the fuckin error, killing the entire crew Sally Ride was on the train. On April twenty six to one of the reactor at Chernobyl nuclear plant in the Ukraine explodes greeting the world's worst nuclear disaster. I can't I can't watch the movie Chernobyl
because we I have sat, there wallet happen, yeah hoping it wasn't like hoping it wasn't worse than they were saying. It was such a strange awful like the whole nuclear aurettes. Sarah they was terrifying here. Did you go Chernobyl, if you had a chance to get like, I know not how I dont like cancer. Personally, I am not one of those run for cancer. I think I'm very anti cancer are going to take a stance.
In a wet here I go suck cancer. Ok, then, of course, there's Haley's comment. Fuckin hurled, her vera opens Al Capone secret, nor the black hole known as Ronald Reagan is president and is secretly in the midst of what will become known as the IRAN Contra affair. You read about it every one, it's important history. What I don't know I mean I know the name of area and I know, is bad armed signs lying than theirs people arming people they should and nobody gets in trouble. Oh that's Oliver! Nor stuff! Ok, I believe Why am I doing? Why do I continue after four years to guess at forty nine year? Is that it's just totally interact? I want people to know, understand them. Yet if I dont you wanna, I gotta you wanna, be you want.
A part of it? I want to be with you on April, Fourteenth nineteen. Eighty six, the United States launches air strikes against Libya in retaliation for the libyan sponsorship of terrorism against american troops, and citizens is a lot of history to unpack they're, just unpack your real quick right. Now. How dare you challenge me, but in the middle of this I would get up and we can see and wailing shit tee. Then. Ok, meanwhile, on such ember fifth, nineteen, eighty six pan AM flight. Seventy three takes off from what is present day mum by, but it does then Bombay on route to New York in theirs layer risen, Karachi in Pakistan, in Frankfurt, Germany and the Boeing that's floor, layovers! No, it did that ticket costs two hundred and two doll, and I wonder if the levers at that point or like it's just stopping, he had so like people in all the way people were going from bomb Bay to New York have to stop at all this fuckin place. At last, but its high, when you can stay on the plain old, unaccountable department who are like going to these other places and then more people get on to conquer City Bus
across the world. Actually so the Boeing, seven forty seven lands at the Karachi Airport flourish feeling at four thirty in the morning. It's caring three hundred and ninety four passengers, nine and infants and american flight crew and thirteen indian flight attendants. A total of two hundred nine passengers to spark, despite decent, I thank you at Karachi and New passengers board around six, a m and sore ones. How can do in their thing going on getting off go in and the next we already know the next spot. I don't want to I fear that long now, please don't make me
suddenly there's a man that was modified to look like airport security in its driven by four hijackers. It gets through a security check point and drives right up to one of the boarding stairways to the plain- and this is when they were on the tarmac. So it's not like you had aboard through the tunnel like you. Do now rabies going up to the plane, I mean that's when they would be kind of like does any one of when you won one EC role by the planned just re versions and gag re before we all lose yeah exactly shots were fired outside the plane, killing to Kuwait, airline staff, members working I near by aircraft and then the for our men enter the plain and start shooting and they got eighteen, forty seven they have fuckin grenades and shit strapped to them. I mean it's there's no, it's obvious that their hijackers Irian Jaya and their shooting. Yes, so the hijackers fire shots at the feet of a flight attendants and forced her to close the plane door.
Attendant name Scherin Pavel on who was out of sight of the hijackers and there might have been there. There is marrying reports of Erin that's going on here, because some people died. Some people didn't and that's just word of Mouth this point of what exactly happened, that one of the flight attendants who was out of sight. Here's the gunfire realize it's going on and uses that's the inner come in a phone and calls the cockpit so let them going on she gives in the hijack code, alerting the crew and another flight attendant named sunshine. Vessel Wala leads the hijackers they tat, they say, take us to the cockpit. She leads them there and she noticed that the overhead escape hatch in the cockpit has been deployed and realises that the the Oh crew is gotten out in the cockpit, so she are you did you yeah so about that? Ok, so people criticise it. People say,
It's a good saying, there's like the differing arguments, one of the good things about it is that that the plane can then take off can't be blown out air force it to tell you exactly like a kind of stuck. There said the situation is confined to the airport. Ok, you know I I agree with that. Yeah I'm getting out means there's no one to fly. The claimant boils their whole plan K Gray, so I changed my mind, K Great, but they had a like get up
It's one of the huge double decker plans. They had a fuckin climb out with ropes and shit like that and they get out of there. So this whole thing definitely screws up the hijackers plan, because the hijackers are part of the absolute and doll organisation or an oh, it's a palestinian terrorist organisation backed by Libya, its defunct now- and it's opposed to U S in israeli policy in the Middle EAST and their blamed for a string of attacks in the nineteen seventies and eighties killing and wounding hundreds of people and their plan was to fly to Cyprus where other members of their militant group or incarcerated on territories and get them the fuck out of prison. Okay, so that's your plan and it doesn't work now because they have no pilots right. So when the lead hijacker cod suffer any realises that the cockpit crews escaped. He knows he has to negotiate with officials at that point, so he orders the first and business class passengers to get back into coach and people like sitting in the aisles they're kind of just like confined. It is to this one space with the hijacker to hijackers on either side of them. So for nearly seventeen hours, the hijackers hold the passengers and crew hostage. So the first
casual. She happens around ten, a m for hours after they hijacked the plane, suffer any goes through the plain and finds a twenty. Nine year old, indian american resident of California he'd been recently naturalised as american citizen, his name's roguish Kumar, and suffer any orders Kumar to come to the front of the aircraft and to kneel at the front door way of the aircraft. Okay, you think this might be the same hijacking. That is the story behind the one of the first episodes of ice arrived. I ever saw then I'll, let you tell the rest. It's basically just on this hijacking story, but I'll tell you later. If it is actually that now, because there's more than three eyes stories on Fourchan
and so he has to face the front of the aircraft with his hands and feet that his hands behind his head, so he's kneeling there with a gun to his head at the front of the door. You suffer any tells officials that if a new car cockpit crew is not sent on the plain in the next fifteen minutes, Kumar will be shot so in a play,
that doesn't awry within the hour suffering shoots, come on the head and pushes and out of the door onto the tarmac below, which I think I've seen. Video of is a video of that. I see I don't know and if not then there's other hijackings that it could have been the video yet poor at stuck with me. Since I was a kid and, of course, so pakistani personnel on the tarmac report, the commission is still breathing when he's placed in an ambulance grab them he's pronounced dead on the way to the hospital in Karachi. So outside on the tarmac PAN, AMS Karachi director veer off Derosa, uses a megaphone and tries to negotiate with the hijackers. He tells them that the authorities are looking for pilots to fly them wherever they need to go, which is true, they're trying to get like people diverted into that. That What's it called airport
to get someone on the plane great, but it's just taking too long the terrorists and tell them are like I'm about to land right justly and oh, I don't know thirty six hours, I'm going to run away. So the terrorist tell the flight attendants to collect the passports of all of the people on the plane and passenger so that they can identify the Americans on board because that's their target. So the I'd attendants who are led by the head of the head of flight attendants merger by not who so she's in charge of the flight attendants, because the pilots laughed and now she's the most senior cabin crew member and she is like we're gonna fuck. We're not gonna work she's like we're going to do what were trained to do and we're not gonna freak out. Yes, so they have plans to foil hijackers and are ready to risk their lives to save as many passengers as they can blue. I, like this gap,
So let me tell you about nears. She grew up in Bombay India, inept, whom jobs family with her father, mother and two brothers. Her family cause her la do, which is the hindu word for sweet and God gifted her dad describes, has very sensitive, deeply affectionate, extremely decent at age of sixteen she spot here, dad describing use decent low. You mean like a decent. You, ok, she's, decent it'll, get the job done as a daughter at the age of sixteen. She spied a by a modeling scout, get several modeling assignments at adequacy. She becomes. She's, a model she's so beautiful she attends several she's, not one of those weird model reconcile personality eyesight then several good schools and eventually graduates from Saint Luke Savior College in Bombay, so she super smart
in March of ninety eight five, she travels to the american golfer, an arranged marriage, but it's a toxic and abusive marriage relationship just to borrow money from him just to make phone calls back home, really awful controlling person. She gathered all her strength and leaves him and goes back home last kind of unheard out at the time. Gara believing and arrange Mary. I totally. She then applies for flight attendant position with PAN Am who had decided to have an all indian cabin crew for its Frankfurt to India, routes that Europe and out of ten thousand applicants she's placed within the top eighty and civil and she selected for training in Miami Florida tension.
Returns to India as a purser, which is what your dad did? I, as on the crucial YAP she carried, she cared a lot luggage. I don't! I don't think I don't know it's a it says in here that it's a title for that she flight attendants. So I think it may mean something different. There lie and its considered the most senior crew position so anxious, like she's fuck him in charge, Pelion its chew days before her twenty third birthday, when the plane is hijacked. Twenty, the little baby he's a baby can already so accomplished. The flight attendants collect all the passports and the ninja directs. The other attendance secretly pull out any american passport and they fucking hide them. They'd like took them into seats, they throw them in normal trash, spends and hide them in their clothes, and they refused to give them any american passports and they manage to hide forty one passports, total o o weird full body, chilling crazy, isn't yes, and so, like a risky, it's really risky, and it's really important, and that's really brave. I mean when it comes down to it, that these flight attendants are human beings, just like everyone on board and yet there and you haven't certain job that puts them in this position, and yet they are willing to sacrifice their lives because of it yeah, because they're, the ones that have to yeah. That's what I may not have you, though they just that's like they have so much integrity that there are willing to else. They know their though there, the final there, the last line of here the personal like well, they told me to do it- may have a gun cigarettes like, but you can also try to think of a plan to try to do something in my id, which is kind of why the pilots
leaving is that she for me because, like they had a they had means they now there could. I was on outside, but the rationale and the reasoning I ll explain, can't leave if the pilots are gone work for me and you couldn't just thrown the Key- is out of their power to shut the there's, the Spargo Ghana up and skilfully go grab. I mean it, but it's basically saying you in the union like taking me engine outwards like there's nothing. We can do a hundred with her I die. That's yes, I didn't like it in the beginning. I am I love Ok, so over the next few hours in Asia and the other attendance continue to serve people, food and drinks on, like they're, making sure everyone's eating and has drinks, which is like
so crazy and less I never tasted and more delicious tiny bottle of doers in your life them on that serve a man knows what beverage like I'll fucking take any idea about point in the evening, the hijackers who seem to be like they talk to the passengers. They dont. I don't think right away, kill anyone else. They spare a couple. People's lives as well and they allow everyone to go to the toilet one after the other. By crawling on the floor on the floor with their hands over their heads, not single hijackers are good guys. It's just this weird message: they're sending at one point nears removes a pokemon here, so she does. She takes a page had a slight manual that describes procedures for opening the aircraft door and she fuckin tux it into a magazine and then is like to passenger here is a magazine. Yes, this magazine there is the major thirty. Seven years the magazine you asked for a man with huge by sir. I was sitting in the origin. The exile is not amazing and probably gave him a tiny. I flare as she has re here's the thing and here's an extra doors for your shovel. There's your payment. If people, if you're in a high pressure situation, pay close attention to what other people are doing can sometimes I really people can communicate with you loved. I just like you hope and pray that one year in a panic situation some day because we're all going to be in one. Some way or another,
yet lives that we react with without panicking and with and foresight and calmness and can like the next steps necessary to make
Situation better, he I just really fuckin hope that I believe in the calmness amidst worst case scenarios, because it's happened to me and very strange ways like I told you the story when I thought there was a rattlesnake and my sister scar and it was a hilarious college boy prank, but it was coiled rattlesnake that was stuff and they put it in my such car to see how much we'd freak out and no less, I leaned it. Yeah I leaned out. We were loading up my sister's caught her we're both in Sacramento, I open about inner door, put something in her car looked down, saw oiled, rattlesnake and then moved backwards and shut the door so quickly that the guys that were watching to be like Har Homa screamed and cried whatever they were like woe and they were super impressment. I was super unfairly grounds like with care. I didn't realize. I had that in me to the inn in I just wanna get away get it get occurs everywhere and allows the doors ain't gonna get out the fucking door. I have as a moment where I was, and am I think they re before I met. I was in the head on Renault sorry,
right before, and then I was in this. I had on fuckin car accident was someone turned in front of me and I completely smashed into them and a few seconds before it happened. I realise there was no way to get out of it. I was going to completely around this car scary and I just thought: ok here, like I'm having Zaire is so I'm always waiting for the worst case scenario. So I was like here comes. This is the worst case. You know- and I remember how you always read about people who are drunk driving the drunk people dont get hurt because they're so relax. Yes, so I made myself relax my entire body. I hit the car and you
injured. Now, how do that slake? I don't. I don't know how demand was an injured, because I had a good car. Thank you Nissan versa, because car extremism as bad as I thought it what we know, but it was a very high value doors and they re Shiva. That's a safer! More! That's amazing! That's a little bit like the time I got sucked under in a wave in Hawaii where I couldn't get. I was basically european washing machine and I which raise yet- and it was the end. I just went: do not like had this moment of like I went so calm. I've never been that calm in my life now, just like just room continue to hold your breath. It's going to be overrun like ten sound hammer count to ten and then that's what happened. Picking me up, there is so much sand. In my view, there are just so much sand everywhere and the nice guy like White, it is they Haven. T sit quickly, go to those moments, but in the moment of it
I think we all have the capacity there is that in you- and you should know it so is eating, starts to collect and set an add on the onward power supply is getting lower and the lights are getting dimmer and the cool airs isn't circulating anymore, which, since terrifying yeah, then the mechanic of the plane name, a mere whose ye car us tell suffer any that the emergency powers only get elastic. Fifty more minutes and the airplane is gonna experience of black out and tell them to prepare for it. Sarah nine p M set almost seventeen hours after the initial hijack. Can you fuckin imagine that aircraft auxiliary power goes down and the plane goes a dark and you can see and like the old, the news reports that I watched its the the whole tarmac is black and the plane is black because they turned the lights off so that the military could second russian and share o night. So it's all dark young and they saw the hijackers panic because they think that the pakistani security forces are getting ready to raid the plane. That's why the lights went out and right, that's what they think so a hijacker he made they just.
That point and a hijacker tries to shoot out the explosive belt worn by another hijackers tries to leg ignite. To cause an explosion that would be mass enough to kill the entire female plain passengers and crew, as well as the hijackers, but since a cabin so dark, he misses Hank, causing only a small detonation and then the other hijackers hearing, that's shooting panic and aiming in shooting their weapons into the cabin at passengers and they start throwing their grenades and there's little explosions, and you can see in one of the videos there's like a simulation computer simulation of there's little explosions all over the plain wow, it's terrifying, but the lack of light also means that there are not able to pull the pins fully and end up only creating these little explosions instead of what should be huge explosions. Everyone's in a panic at this point? Everyone. Yet when the lights go out, all the flight
rushing off the common and creating the shrapnel yes or everyone's in a panic at this point everyone. Yet when the lights go out, all the flight attendants and passengers are in the middle of section of the cabin and several seated on the ground in island, near the doors and my her easy, the twenty eight year old mechanic they really has been killed and in the chaos and everything going on at people start opening the doors o o Connor like they take this distraction to open some of the cabin door is great, but it's not clear who opened them and, although nears could have been, she was by a door and could have in one of the first people off the flight because of her proximity. Instead, she stays behind to help the passengers get off safely and starts assuring them out out to the slide. Ah, like stay is onboard ya like admits this chaos,
all the passengers are. Finally, after playing the rest of the crew who had escaped, they go back into the dark plane because they realise that they're not hearing anymore gunfire, and so they go back on which is so brave. That's amazing! That's when sunshine, the fight with him. It sees nurture she's, been shot in the hip, she's conscious, but bleeding heavily and according to survive in passenger nears had been guiding. The passengers should emergency exit in this mayhem and the hijackers had noticed, and they realise that she is shielding three american children with her body as the hijackers grab her by her ponytail and they shoot her multiple times so she's shy and down and bleeding sunshine calls ever do another attendant. They get nearer to the emergency slide. They like helper, off and she's, put into an ambulance and transported to the hospital which is completely overflowing with other passengers. At this point near she has a pulse upon arrival, but she ultimately dies from her, and I now the combined
efforts of the fourteen flight attendants. That day, it's thought saves hundreds of lives and for two more days after the attack, the crews stays with Lee young children, who are left alone till they can be reunited with their other family members, like fuckin, heroic surreal. Twenty two people are killed and about a hundred and fifty are injured from the attack of three. The hijackers are caught flinging
airport and Sardinia still on board. When Pakistan security forces enter the plane, the three hundred and eighty one total passengers plus crew, the crew on the PAN Am flight. Seventy three are citizens of fourteen different countries. India represents about twenty six percent of the people on board and they also represent twenty eight percent of those killed and out of a total of forty four american passengers. Only two are killed during the hijacking woe than the Erika after a short break all the members of the flight. Seventy three crew returning to PAN am to works and they work at least a couple years, all of em, oh yeah,
they occasioning work, the same flight together and run into each other, and they don't like discussing the hijacking, obviously, and two of the six of them remain in the industry to this day during the interviews that they have with BBC and twenty sixteen, because the movie comes out about this whole thing and a lot of them hadn't talk to the media that plant, but they ask some of them then finally do and they stress that there is no single euro, that day that crew members not interviewed, played an equally important role so for the they hijackers. So there's five total. I was one that was on the plane. They are supported by the pakistani authorities to Palestine in two thousand and eight and they escape, and so on December, two thousand and nine, the FBI, in coordination with the state Department, announce a five million dollar reward for information leading to their capture and the FBI. Release new age progressed images of them and the case is still under investigation by the washing to field office of the bureau. Woe to this day and in its heart I can't say that with Toro Surety, because there's different reports like how people got away and how much time they got into they escape or were they let out like we do it. So it's it's. That's all different fuckin story again, but the Pipe Panam Crew a flight. Seventy three are given courage, awards by the airline in eighteen, eighty six and the Us Department of Justice in two thousand and five and the? U S attorney general in two thousand and six and inertia by not is awarded posthumous bravery awards in India and Pakistan, and she becomes internationally known as the heroine of hijacking and becomes the youngest recipient of the shook Shakira Award, which is India's most prestigious military ward for bravery during peacetime, twenty three years old and sacrifices herself. In that way, they release a statement with the war that says quote her loyalty to the passengers of the aircraft in distress will forever be lasting tribute to the finest qualities of the human spirit. She also receives multiple words for her courage for the United States government in Pakistan, and then she doesn't it for the indian Postal Service freely says a stamp commemorating her wow. I will put more harmonious ram. That's very call after her death or family sets up a pan AM trust with insurance money and a contribution from Panam and the trust presents to awards every year. One is for a flight crew member worldwide who acts beyond the call of duty and the other is the nearest by not award and goes to an indian woman who was brave and helps other women and distressed when faced with social injustice, wow and several child. Who was on board that flight is now a captain for a major airline and has stated that inertia has his bit has been his inspiration and then he owes every day
of his life to her home, my God, and that is the hijacking of pan- am flight. Seventy three and the heroine of hijacking in their job. I hoped unbelievable, lack and crazy ray I'm sweating right now. You know, as I was grasping my hands in front of me, like a little child at prayer being like islands now, and that wasn't the same story is the arrived episode because the woman in the ice revived episode was shot in the head by the terrorist and thrown out onto the tarmac, oh my god, and just waited there and they picked her up and they assume she was day. I think I saw that its quick. She tells us first hand story, it's very similar to the one that you told you to do, I'm not sure. No, no! No. I think it's not because I think the one that I so there's a chore hijacked aim. Now, there's minimum there's been a minimum of four look: hijackings used to be the way to go for it, the guy. This is pre. Twenty furnace I go out, o God tons The press and Anna got
got their way. I got to do it because there was never an effective way to change right, yeah, wiles, huge in the seventies and eighties. It seems like yeah, amazing, great job. Thank you. This week. I'm going to do the Tulsa Race Mass occur. It's also called the Black Wall Street massacre of nineteen, twenty one or the Greenwood massacre. So did you watch watchman the HBO? Syria's yes, ok, see no old started and then there was not one episode dedicated. That's a true fucking story was crazy. Okay, so this is because I remember watching that and the whole time I was watching the going. Please don't let this be real and of course it was, and then I read articles better whatever
Why red one article about it, basically confirming like oh this area, and it made me think of it because, like the Wednesday, like after we recorded last week, someone on a cure green, who I follow on Twitter retweeted, this amazing article from the route which I will talk about at the ends of the episode, but basically reminded me what an amazing story it is, and it was told in watchman, so compellingly, credibly and in this waiver you're just like. Oh this is by this is that been termed black history in this country were basically it doesn't get talked about my as really fucked up shit up enea and no one wants acknowledge people don't acknowledged in it and when they do so, it gets whitewashed or miss hand. Over the end, then q me walking with my papers- hey Thumb, but
cool thing is when a show like that, that's popular and cool and then taking notes Alan more taking this historic showing the and then being like, hey here's this out, do you care about? Yes, this thing that happen to like her ancestors, essentially and now you're in this story, how you understand that this was a real place and time and isolate at a good job of like showing the fear that you have no matter. You know it situation in how dire and desperate and terrifying was insane so just sick, the source is obviously the act the original concept was cause watching. Watchman me going on
oh, my god. The work the got done around this and and basically kind of in the retelling there's an amazing article. So the route article was written by a writer named J Connor and upon castor. There is also an article in the Washington Post by writer named demean L Brown, and that article is unbelievable and has pictures and it's it's lots of first hand, accounts and there's a city council, woman who lives and Tulsa now and her. She talks about how I believe it was her grandmother. She said who she learned about it from her, but they barely talk about it. It was literally a taboo subject. Her just didn't want it to discuss because it was a massacre and it's been referred to since has quickly as a race riot, and when you, the classical,
the phrase race riot means black people started at re, and that's that's why it's called a race massacre and that people want it were referred to. Is that because, because in a story, annually goes as just one of those things were wording matters and it's a thing that, like you, don't understand how ignorant url used learn how a year are and then how you deal with that ignorance, you can either go now. I'm not you and it's just a sad for me, a white person or you could actually pay attention and read in and try and try to open it up a little and then do better. Try to clap clap do ever okay, so there is. There is also great article in Smithsonian magazine by a writer named Allison Keys about the twenty fifteen discovery of a first hand. Ten page typewritten Russian said first hand here, first hand account
this massacre by a lawyer in in the Greenwood District named Buck, Colbert Franklin, so he basically saw it all happening swapped outside like and then when it was all over, went home and typed up everything. He saw remember now and then folded up, basically and put it away and that wasn't discovered until like for five years ago, holy shit in this Miss Sony and my god. Oh that's a great article. If you want to look it up and see and then there's a book, a buyer writer name, Scott Ellsworth called death in a promised land about the Greenwood Massacre, the forty that book is by a man. A historian named John Hope, Franklin who I believe, worked at the Smithsonian, and he is the Son of Buck Colbert. Frankly, while ok. So that's all if you want to do more reading about this desert good places. Also, of course our friend Wikipedia was therefore me. So was therefore J Peleus, my researcher and our assistants. Ok, so this starts Monday may thirtieth. Nineteen twenty one it's memorial day entails Oakley Homer man
the rest of Amerika. So a nineteen year old boy named Dick Roland, who is a shoe shine that works near by he goes into the drugstore building at three nineteen south main street and he gets into the elevator cause. He needs to right up to the top floor because that's the only place where there's a blacks, only restroom in the entire area- and he is a black man and so he has to go there see only place. He could go right, so this elevators operated by a seventeen year old white girl named Sarah page, so they arrive at the very least seen each other before, because she's, the only elevator operator in the only elevator and the dreadful building, long and he's clearly had had to use the restroom at the top of our building before so sooner. Jack rolling enters the elevator, a clerk at the Drexler First floor, clothing store, Wren, bergs, here's a woman's scream from the elevator, so that Russia's out to see a black man
running from the building, and then he goes into the elevator area to find Sarah page still in the elevator and what he described as a quote distraught state. So the. Assume, Sir, has been assaulted and he calls the police the police arrived. They speak with Sarah. There is no written statement on the record it or tat none has ever taken the pool begin, an investigation and the eggs details of what actually happened, any oh, there are still unknown, but most people believe that Dick either tripped while he was
walking into the elevator and sell and grab Sarah's arm to steady himself or he stepped on her foot as he walked into the elevator and then grabbed her. So she wouldn't fall over, but there is basically physical contact and the it's likely. She screamed because she was like startled by it. So Dick immediately ran knowing that the worse would be assumed about his actions and his intentions, no matter how innocent the incident actually, while you so Dick, goes to his moms house in the Greenwood District of Tulsa. So the said a little historical context, all of which was mostly brand new information to me at a person with barely a high school education. Okay, so in a civil war, ended in eighteen, sixty five, the slaves in Oklahoma are met.
The and they stay in the area and resettle as free people. So any early nineteen hundreds Tulsa experiences this huge boom, because there is a discovery of a massive oil supply. It read fork: that's just across the Arkansas River, from Tulsa and then in nineteen o five workers, another oil well, that they called Glenn Pool and Tulsa becomes one of the most oil rich areas in America. Did you know that oil universal immediately? Nine? No, no! No, no idea now did not know, there's all ill. So more and more welcome to the area for work and the population grows from around nights. In the year nineteen hundred there was a like almost fourteen hundred people that lived, and also
twenty years later that ninety eight thousand one hundred and seventy four people shall live until sir and they can get one more for a number of urgent just ever round number as elected. This is an estimated number ass, the most random number of olive oil, but that was when I would normally step in and rounded up myself and then in a wicked we can pass information once again. Okay, so Oklahoma becomes estate state in nineteen o seven and basically it's the whole eternal century, and after at this time of amazing growth, especially for the black Community and Tulsa their thriving. It's a huge accomplishment, because this is post civil war, Jim Crow, silent there, segregation bigotry as a constant, oppressive reality for all black Americans, and yet the black citizens of Tulsa figured out how to succeed and prosper. Despite
The whole system that's rigged against, so it was a very big deal is so much so. The reputation of this driving black community and tolls draws the attention of leading black intellectual, an educator of the day book or to Washington, and he takes a trip out o Koyo homer, to see. What's going on what year? Did you say? Nineteen o five a year later with vigour to Washington's guidance. They officially organise this four thousand acre entirely black own neighbourhood. As the Greenwood gesturing LA there's, two newspapers, tumor if it, but one of the movies leaders has featured in Watchman grocery stores, churches, night clubs, medical centres Dennis Samas all entirely black owned management and for the next thirteen years, Greenwood that Greenwood District flourishes and its success earns the nickname black Wall Street after World war. One ends in nineteen eighteen, american servicemen returning from the war flocked to Tulsa, because
the bunch of work and a bunch of money there because of the oil. But many of these white veterans are not happy that they have to compete for jobs with educated black citizen, so this is also the same time black. african veterans are coming back to America. We're trying to assert their equal rights. High risk ass for the fuck, our country. They just thought and watch their fellow soldiers die how their country they come back to that they have no fucking. They have no rights, they can't vote. They can't go to Bathroom at it in a regular restroom like it's, it's so restricted and ridiculous and they're just like this is bullshit you as it is, and then the kind of like the third or one of the elements, that's the topper, which I mentioned in my story last week about the death of Mary Fagin from the murder of Mary Fagin in the murderer LEO Frank, it's around this time the K K K starts to have a resurgence, the up
tensions are high in the South, Asia and everywhere and ten twenty a white eighteen year old Boy named Roy Belt and is accused of murdering a local Tulsa taxi driver and before his guilt is even confirmed. A group of armed men storm the jail take belt in and Lynch him Holly shut yeah he was white or black was white, so
many tools is blamed: the police for not protecting belt and other support. This lynching, as this vigilante act, that's righteous, but this event makes the black citizens are Tulsa fear for their lives, because if that can happen to white boy out, I know that they are definitely not safe, now, sort now we're back to nice in twenty one with the elevator incident the morning after, which is Tuesday, made thirty. First, nineteen, twenty one, the police, fine nineteen year old, Dick Roland at his moms house on Green what avenue and they take him to the tools of city jail at first and main street for questioning Dick explains to police, and although he did put his hand on Sarah, he was not trying to hurt her that afternoon, around three p m with Dick in custody. The white own newspaper, the Tulsa Tribune Princess story about dicks arrest with the headline quote: Nab a girl for attacking girl in an elevator to the rest of the articles, supports this biased headline and makes deck look guilty of an attempted assaults. Here, ok,
the same paper also publishes an editorial peace. It's like they had these ready to go and they publish an editorial peace with the headline quote to live, negro tonight essentially calling for more vigilante just so Obviously, this newspaper is putting DIP Rawlins life, any azure intentionally like called actually, certainly, as so after the pay releases, those articles put police. Commissioner JAM Atkinson gets an anonymous phone call threatening to kill Dick Roland so a coupled with the fact that the police are still shaking off the criticism that they didn't properly protect belt in commissioner actions and Moose Dick Roland to the more secure jail on the top floor of the tools, the county court house, but of a potential lynching and calling for a goddamn wench in Ireland, noisy Mesrour, where a rumor
draws more and more people to the court house and by seven thirty that night, hundreds of angry white Tal sense are gathered outside the court as demanding to be shown Dick Roland, how dear it's called a mob. It's an angry terror, Smythe Social, Rough Willard, Emma Colours and six of his officers to the roof of the court house with rifles. He disables the courthouse elevator and he positions more officers on the top floor with directions not to open the door for anyone around eight twenty three white man from the angry mob, somehow quote on quotas get inside the court as the sheriff immediately gets them out. Any then addresses the crowd telling them there isn't going to be a lynching. They all need to leave. Now it's You know questionable whether or not he made a real
effort here, yeah because, despite his quorum court orders, the crowd continues to build and by nine o clock that night. There are four hundred angry white thousands outside of the quartet with rumours of the potential lynching swirling around the town. The people of the Greenwood District Gather on Greenwood Avenue to come up with a plan because they know Dick Roland is basically a dead man. He's innocent and they're going to kill him out terribly. They dont know what their strategy should be, though the World WAR one that's, want to collect up, guns and ammo and protect prepare for potential battle. The businessmen want to be as peaceful as possible because they don't want anything that would threaten their hard earned properties and businesses about twenty to fifty of the men and of the Greenwood District decide to go to the court house as a group some armed and for their services to the sheriff to help protect dick rolling. Dear right, I was
give up that, whereas, like it's not the best idea, but you would have to go armed our going as this tiny group of black men, you can't not take charge as understand about the assist like you know where this is going, but is the only option is to let them kill an instant nineteen year old and also, I think these were very empowered, intelligent and re people who are just colleague Erika to be this way any more like. Let's not when they arrive, the sheriff is like no thanks. Get out of your help, making it worse. They go back to the Greenwood District, but the angry white men had been stand outside. The courthouse were surprised by this group of Greenwood District men and they were in a rage. Did they would appear there, so a bunch of them leave
The court house, a bunch of the angry White MOB, leave the court House go home to get their own guns and a group of several hundred decide to try to get more weapons by robbing the national guard. Oh no, oh yeah, so Mayor James Bell, who was of the national guards a hundred Eightieth Infantry regimen. He knew what was happening. Downtown of the court house- and he was prepared, he had his guards, Preston, rabies shoot any intruders on site, and so basically they come up to the National Guard. I guess armoury media to go me like we're. Taking guns and we're gonna go and they were all just like will kill you if you keep coming so they just walked away, ok, gray re, so they gave up there and go back to the courthouse. So now the crowd or the courthouse a swell to nearly two thousand angry. Why and most of all are now arm tat. Word of the growing armed mob gets back to the Greenwood District and some of the men in Greenwood decided. This is the last chance to save Dick rollin from being luncheon.
This time, seventy five black men from great the Greenwood District, now most of them armed who arrive at the court house just after ten p m again they offer their services to the sheriff again. He says no, but but but the white marble. Armed there feeling bolder one of them. Reportedly ups approaches. One of these one of the below men from Greenland, the Greenwood group, and demands he give up his pistol. The manner of the black men refuses a shot fired, so no one knows for sure who fired that shot and whether or not it was an accident. If it was just like every you know, emotions are running. High level was meant to scare both groups off. No one knows what happened, but ultimately, the that matter, because it start a shoot out that leaves twelve people. Some Can some white dead there
ass, to clear out number. So the group of black men retreat back to the Greenwood district, but this time the white men following looting stores along the way for more weapons and Amazon. So now it's on the gunfight continues along the frisk train tracks, which separate the Greenwood District from the neighbouring white districts. Some of the White MOB, Dr Inching Greenwood Price and start shooting at people and businesses drive by styles and not just start, and some of these people didn't know Yang on said there is. That was part of the watchman thing, so amazing, as people coming out of a movie theater there they went into movie. Theater were those below had no idea and then just learning everybody in a movie theater, so they're, just picking people off on the street. In some cases, business owners trying to protect themselves, return,
fire. Meanwhile, the National Guard officers come up with a way to stop the chaos it, but it's not a great plan. They station guards at the courthouse, but then they station protective guards. Only around the white neighborhoods, whom they send other guards to round up black people, whether their purchased, painting and violence or not and attain them at the Convention Hall on Brady Street. So me, yet we its protect white people and arrest black, be now the fighting continues through the early morning, hours of Wednesday June first, nineteen twenty one around one- I am the White Ma- begins setting black businesses along Archer Street on fire,
Some reporter say the Tulsa Fire Department tried to put the fires out, but the White MOB threatened to shoot them if they did. Some other report suggested the fire department was siding with the White MOB and deliberately didn't put the fires, the fires rage and by four I am roughly two dozen black owned businesses are burning, my god. Ok, so this is where Buck Colbert I'm pronounced Colbert like Stephen called area or could be Colbert, but Buck call their Franklin, MRS from his ten page document, where he wrote it right after he saw it, and this you can also read this and Smithsonian magazine. He wrote quote could see plain circling in mid air. They grew in number and hummed darted and dipped low. I could hear something like Hale falling upon the top of my office building down EAST Archer. I saw the old midway hotel on fire burning from
stop and then another and another and another building began to burn from their top. The sidewalks were literally covered with burning turpentine balls. I knew all too well where they came from, and I knew all too well why every burning building first caught first caught from the top I paused, and waited for an opportune time to escape, where are aware, as our splendid fire department, with its half dozen stations. I asked myself is this city and conspiracy with the mob, so people were flying overhead. The of the good the district and throwing turban flying a burning, turpentine balls down onto the building, so they all catch on fire and murmured. So it was like a complete. It was a bleak onslaught yet as a bullet, completely overpowered by the mob, a man me: Greenwood District residents flee the city,
Troops from another Oklahoma National Guard station arrive on the scene around nine fifteen, a m on June. First, as back up at this point, roughly four thousand black people have been detained by the local national guard. Four thousand, then guard declares martial law around one thousand one hundred and fifty a dot m and try to regain order between twelve and one p. Dot M finally stops, but the fires rage on for two old days, the rounding up and detention of black citizens in the city continue throughout when martial law was finally withdrawn. On Friday, in June, fourth: nineteen twenty one: there still about six thousand black people being held in detention. Some are held for as long as eight day la when all is said and done more than thirty five blocks in the Greenwood District or destroyed thirty five blocks
A hundred. Ninety one business is twelve hundred homes, churches and schools are burned to the ground and estimated ten thousand black citizens are left homeless. It's hard to say, eggs how many people died, because many media outlets at the time would change there. Its and release conflicting information that the estimates today range anywhere from fifty five people to three hundred wow and there is a physician. Really amazing in that Washington Post article they talk about out. There is a potter's field, that's out in the back of the cemetery in Tulsa. They believe that they do a bunch of bodies out there. They just they just buried them in a mass grave, and that's why
You don't know the number far Governor James be a Robertson calls for a grand jury to investigate how the massacre came about. The investigation starts on June eighth. Nineteen. Twenty one includes both black and white witnesses, as well as the sheriff and other city officials. There all questioned about the events over a twelve day period, but the jury is made up of all white people she's and they, we find the massacre was in sight and by the black citizens, Corsica. While they do acknowledge the law enforcement failed to prevent the violence, that's all too currently a worthless concessions. The court reviews twenty seven different cases associated with the massacre and eighty five people are indicted, but when all the legal proceedings are done, not one person is convicted for the murders or the damages in the Greenwood district. When questioned about what happened, Tulsa, police, firefighters, national guard and other officials try to say
they did everything they could to stop the violence, but witness accounts say otherwise. There are mentions of the city preventing the Red Cross from coming in to provide medical aid and fire fighters either letting the fires rage or being persuaded by the White MOB to stand down there even report, which is not a hard thing to be persuaded by a fucking, Tang Green MOSS heiress. There even reports that local police had deputized some of the mob, giving them weapons in the authority to attack are detained. Black residents out Franklin, the Son of Buck Franklin from the man who wrote his eye. I witness he says the term riot is contentious because it assumes that black people started the violence as they were accused of doing by whites. We increasingly used the term massacre or I use the european term Pilgrim it's a long road to rebuild the Greenwood District and even though its eventually rebuilt, of course, it's
the same today gentrification threatens to bury the history of the massacre and of the once thriving, prosperous black community. Historians and activists have been fighting to have the story of the Greenwood Massacre taught in Oklahoma classrooms for years, but since this success and popularity of HBO Series Watchmen starring America's queen, Regina King, I put them and their incredibly impact full use of the advance of the Greenwood massacre. That has apparently pushed the argument over the edge and this month February, of twenty twenty Oklahoma, and this was what that route. Article was all about rule article written by J, Connor Aglow must apartment of education has announced. That will be, it will be officially adding the story of the Greenwood Massacre to public school curriculum is by this fall Joe in time for one hundredth anniversary in twenty twenty one Molly shed, and that is the
up until very recently of untold history of tall, says Green, the massacre and Does anyone interested the writer for the article four, the route J Connor he also produce and co host a podcast called the extraordinary negroes say, might want to give out a listen amazing because it so yeah and also just I don't know Annie and shit. I d to look up the details of what the Jim Crow laws were there. Some especially like in eightys. We were not educated in any I think, affective way out about black history. It's as if it's our choice, whether or not we want to know stuff like that, we are totally and so at that's, also not overdo it, but the import.
Diversity, in especially in goddamn, show business and in Hollywood, is because these stories are great, important, vital american stories that should be told and their people that made the watchman prove that point area like wooden, amazing use of facts and horrible, like there's plenty of horrible stories in our history, but they don't to just remain taboo unspoken. Don't talk about that because it actually helps people learn how to do better hurry. We know how fucking bad it actually were not covering over, not rationalizing, not say some. It was their own fault. It was someone else's files array and they should have done that yeah. It's none of that stuff, but actually going. How do we make it so? There's less angry mobs in general, yeah still to this to this goddamn minute,
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Some fuckin hurry lerigo due to our first or these, these listeners first Now- and you think I guess would do listeners argument, then we can figure out what we wanted. You gonna know ears. If I do me too, of course, view covers this, then is my fucking hurry? Humanity doesn't always suck this from the Fancourt forum K by Katy E. She wrote I am. I am crew my fucking hurry. This week I was driving home from work on an unseasonably warm winter day behind the same car for a good bit. There is an obviously score me kid in the back seat, with the window down waving his hand out of the window, I could tell he was turning around and waving at me. Sometimes so I waved back in parentheses, I'm not a total Craig, but the best part, as I followed this car through a pedestrian heavy road, was seeing all of the folks walking who
also decided to waive back to this kid, he had a great big smile on his face with every wave, and it was obvious he was soaking in the joy that came from waving to people and unexpectedly giving out getting. Wave back, and it was an unexpected bit of joy for me in the midst of a shitty fucking week, so stocking hurry for, though happy waving kid and all the people who we ve back to him, humanity doesn't always suck. Sometimes it returns the pure kind gestures in ways that we need that. Isn't that little things I fancy. I love that I now ok, this from Instagram Katy girl, on twenty nine, my fucking array is that I finally got my pain. Medication, after being on them for fifteen years well, I have a joy disorder and have undergone multiple surgeries and they never worked March. Twenty nineteen I have another jaw surgery with a new surgeon and I'm without pain for the first time in my life, while oh yeah
that's incredible every day I still got she's the waving kid every day that run the waving do lesions. Everybody else when this is. Also from the bank. I have the fancourt form one. This is we're sherry,
so tonight I went alone to Sucrose Fairbanks in Milwaukee. I tried it out myself out of it a few times. I hear them, but I drove an hour in the dark to a place. I'd, never Ben. I felt weird and awkward at first, but very soon I met some murder arenas and a few other Selo attendees and all the awkwardness quickly went away. Another solo person, J sat next to me and told me several times that she was proud of me for coming, and she was right, I'm proud of myself for getting out of my comfort zone and doing something I wanted to do. Even though I had to do it alone. It was so fine and I got up the courage to actually meet Chris after the show such a sweetheart, so fucking hurry to me. I love you. I love the idea that there is a secret network of murdering ass who go to thing ass and other people and has honours, know that they can go by themselves. They can practiced eye or if they see someone alone, they can be like this, a scary for them to arm acknowledging man. I'm now approach, then we really are not Marinos. It's like yes to safe. We all know how scary it s, scary life, how scary being alone can be- and you can actually do something about that is where our little, where little pen
make yourself known. That's right, you got friends waiting for you here is one from a sea g with us score M p S, I don't know from many, I asked If I'm going to raise that this area the day after my birthday, my miracle baby is: do we tried for three and a half years to conceive and were convinced we couldn't? And now here we are. Why be be inside use that babies can we wave out the window enjoyed a other? That's right, babies, babies, air corner there. I really believe in the in the good work babies, journalist, watching Nora, grow up on all the goodness she brought to our hulk Horrible following up, family she really made at work. keep us posted on the miracle baby. He I wanna see patients that baby now, ok this. One is from
until its c h, apostrophe anti, oh, ok, brand new waited spell it and the subject line is guys. Tim Hortense has created a kit cat everything menu class. If you didn't TIM horns as it can is Canada's number one coffee slash donut chain: restaurant, oh yeah, it's like you're Duncan doughnuts, but better sorry, not sorry. Anyway, they have introduced a kid cat. Everything menu just one more reason for more live shows and Canada, which is that we have to look at pictures of that everything Coquette everything that we have a kick at down
that's the guy hot chocolate, tackling a happy steer and cut chocolate that lowering one were. While you read that students gonna, look it up so right after we can look at pictures of the kid. Can everything menu? I'm telling him to do a passive aggressively by saying that's! What's going to happen, this is from Annalisa Danny and she says my fucking hurry is. I have been dealing with depression since last year after disclosing my sexual abuse to both my boyfriend of my family and has been really hard and I was suicidal for a while, but I have had a really good week. I know that my depression hasn't just gone away, but my guy does it feel good, just be genuinely happy, even it's only for a couple of days, yet a man keep it up. That's right days turn into weeks attorney Stephen Coquettes. This is the main picture. They think that they ve been promoting circling, Adona, brownie and liquor brownie situation. Ah, kit cad everyone is Canada's starting to discover how delicious their mon there is much,
secondary. Oh I um, my friend asked me to do is that I try to start doing sets again. We ve been kind of busy and crazy. It's been a blood little weird lately. So as language like, I always hedging, I love doing it and makes me feel better when I do it, but I just don't make the time to write so then, when I do it, I just really understand the same stuff over and over again, but my friend asked me to do his show. I was like program, I've got it I'll, say yesterday, I won't do it or whatever and then, whenever he said back to my account number, I just went final. Do it and then I was kind of like instead of doing the thing I ways do which has project forward about how bad it's gonna being like our going to fail. I was like: can you just right? Five new jokes- and so I am writing I think to hum so it was basically baby steps progress, but the two new jokes, I wrote, kill and then I was like this is. I just need to keep doing now. You know I'm
accessibility. Every single night hilarious thing was ice, kept stumbling over just saying, word: yeah! We're at some point I was like have I talked out loud today. I should have warmed up a little bit of work here. I've been there, but it didn't normally. What happens if I stumble over a word. I will immediately make eye contact with a dude who has a bad look on his ass and nine. Like I meaning it, they hate me act is terrible, and instead I was just like ants most and say it rightly I m here. This is the idea of arms and it all worked out great, and I saw much people that I really like like dubbed de Giovanni as well. The funniest Stana comedians doing right now, and she was on that show. I just got to hang out an agreement with a bunch pupil. I really like dance owner was in town from New York. Sees genius comic, really talented Josh Myers was there? Was the five hundred podcast really hilarious, and
yeah worthwhile, it was just like a super fun. Hang, so does the whole thing made me? I was just like but just seen neutral, where you it doesn't have to be the greatest nine of your life and it also isn't going to suck like the worst. Things are happening, just go, have new experiences and like give it a whirl of ITALY. I said that a hundred times I man it's hard to its harder continued to positive its words are to practise getting stepping I would have my anxiety and just going ok. You can think that now go see what actually the truth is tat, my practice than I proud to be practising more because I know it conceptually, but then lake, That person said like it so easy to talk yourself out of tat.
They trying out that's the voice that you're used to listening to and that your you you ve been listening to for so long and at what? If they're, not right, then I noticed I mean. Did I totally at the mine? Is that I've been having a lot of anxiety is, while I'm like kind of between Sarah pests and stuff and were scheduled, has been fucking crazy to this great, like Christmas Break, where we took some time off in asserting a ramp up again, yeah toy It's very stressful and I my dad was, I go free for lunch. This week amounts like I'm, not sorry. I hate my schedule so busy and I was like complaining about it to him and he takes me back and said embrace your schedule as you would a blessing all learning. I share bless that I have stuff going on and that my life has important meetings and important research in Sweden. In now important chance should take a picture of that
and then show it to office Georgia from ninety. Ninety eight yeah shall be stout. She Welby and it's hard look. We both lose perspective, saying this out loud on this package, makes us look like asshole, but within any any this term as great as things could be. Eu today is hard and we actually work, and you know soup, fuckin hawkers just deal here it's, but it's also find yeah but yeah and its there's a fucking amazing pay off. At the end of the day with it, it's very cool, I'm I've that could actually also be my fucking raise just the stuff we ve been doing recently. The development stuff and link mergers, show and- and the upcoming other shows we get to announce, and it's really starting to feel like there's this movement so exciting, because we ve been working
and kind of fighting for so long and now it's actually leg kind of on results are being the things are role and AL unfurled and there's a reason for it all the land that strives kind like how hard the book wasn't in the book amount we're like Google. Yet this was so large that our sector, I love that Marty's, the woman dinner I was such a lake scam likely from Sanrio, not answering trip, I Petaluma yeah embrace your schedule as you would oblige you what a blessing yeah we're fucking super locking, mazel Tov, Hey issued by
show loan baby the Morrow tomorrow, oh yeah, they really sitting here the fact you have here a blessing. The arable evasion, certainly letting us say, really ungrateful things. So we can get to the gratitude part after I get. Your understanding means a lot to adding steering remorse for audio engineering. All our bullshit Stephen Ass, to sit through so my job. I mean an alliance that it was ready to kick at man. You ve had a third a back seat again. Is that kick at him from like, like hey? What's going on a perk ass this week we have Alice and told him who is the star of season? One is an emerging emergence. Yes, in her cat bud, had all this teeth were moved uneasily being sweetheart, and you can just hear him on the pilot spilling like breathing and it's really q in shoes, hilarious, Allison torment, I think, is one of the most compelling actors in the game. Right now they gave her own procedural. That's how amazing she was, if you didn't see, was season one or season to forego think it was season, one with Billy Bob Thornton yeah yeah. I think so.
Now it was with them billing authorizing the movie. It was always what's his cue. None a branch office, the array Martin, but Morgan Freeman, but Billy Buckthorn, was also she does the Villa now, even Ethan, now a thin. Oh, that was season three. When he was as on twin years argument. You M Gregor he was a twin. He played a sombre that was not her season, so it is season. One sorry seizing obviously Stephen knows this, because he had a downloading it with her. Yes, it was season, one confirming the comecon. Hanks two is also common: oh, oh, and they fall in love. So three cheers for our gentleman and if you have watch emergence, it's really good Hoffa our rights Day, sexy and delicate murdered. Get I always Tijuana. Cookie
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