« My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

62 - Trust Issues & Ice Skate Shoes

2017-03-30 | 🔗
On this week's MFM, Karen and Georgia tell stories from the road and then segue into the infamous Moors murders and the lesser known Gorilla Killer.

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this is exactly right it's my neighbour murder episode what is it sixty seven is i think some now so it's up there push seventy baby only crap i know what's gonna weird we're still kind of a baby but we're not we're like those old babies set new year's that you're like should obviously breastfeeding like tat baby couldn't be up the slave and it shouldn't be wearing a suit now now isn't it babies diapers and i don't know how a baby's responsibly and suffering diversionary like right you mean the ones that are also worrying polish hurts like stand around with long hair drink
bottles like they run the play like adults young oh yeah hey i met a girl today whom at ted bundy his brother really here she said that she grew up a car like in the town my younger and she said that she was at a bar one time back home in her friend introduced through the sky and she was like the whole time was like some of something about his face looks familiar then she said but he also had this like in his eyes this incredible look of sad this and when he left her friend was like that's had bundy's brought little brother wow now that's crazy now can you imagine did he have a little further maybe she was lying i don't know i mean i now i really i'm the last person who would know for sure i did ted bundy on this show i would you now but him doesn't sick with me but i know you know their sister that also was his mom i wonder of his little brother if he had one was his
mom's sister i get the same said emma register if it were if they figured that stuff out in the bundy family after ted left right or yeah if it was yeah yeah still rabbit help i bet his last name wasn't bundy i think it was really so is like this smoke bonding eater make binding peter biker gregg burundi the monday bunch monday wench losing that's the way you did when you said those three names you didn't realize you're doing a brady bunch reference until until that moment nurse to each other level graduated then you caught up to your cell than at the moment of comedy is that a that's the fun moment where you go the comedies writing itself that's that's phrase means it rates itself it doesn't really whose knowledge somewhere
reminds me of your awesome blossom moment stick it in you all know we're talking about later on if we decide to post it area it system is a secret this is my favorite murder by the by any one is unsure yeah my remember those karen i'm georgia we just got back from three shows in portland that are fucking awesome just one weekend and thank you for the doughnuts thank you for the laughter and screaming thank you for lots good stories and things to walk away from revolution how was such a fun place to perform in case we dont post it can you tell the count the story of the army crawl yes so let's see that was the second night think so now it was the first night second shop ok s first night second show so censure we were ends and i had picked a girl to do
our hometown murder customer not from the audience and she was telling the story about how her cousin found a dead body and it was immediately my favorite sorry we ve had so far has it was all the things that i enjoy witches her cousin happening upon a dead body in a creek come to find out that's the dead body of a rapist and kidnapper perhaps murderer who was the lastly we are happy about being dad's didn't help grossly yet no guilt about the body about the finding of the body or the discussion of the finding of the body and as this girl's telling a story she tells the whole story of the crime he did right before he went on the lamb and then somehow died in the creek they don't know and she i asked a specific question about did your cousin tell you anything about what it felt like to find the body or touch the buyer whatever and she that you didn't know and then they went a georgian
that's something they went on to talking i look overjoyed to shoulder and there is girl our funds styles sneaking the down the aisle nobly i'll on state shall i watched her come up the aisle sneaking like a cartoon her shoulders up and her knees raised high you didn't you do tb sneaking and then she doesn't army role onto the stage that's when i interrupted you have them at nine o clock before this happened i suck here in space on my shoulder and it was like i got shit this looking at your face cause you looked like horrified we and i slowly turnaround in slow motion there's a girl walking towards us yet stage and i say that's not cool i have to get off this yet right now straight up to her i was just like a net is i'm thinking just drunk keno guy the beers a revolution hall where three dollars people were definitely partying it is a second show is a bit lady maya
finally explains that she is the girl telling the story sister i want to see the girls amos nicole but i don't remember night there's no way finally we realise she's ok to be there and the only reason she came up on stage was because she knew the answer to the question i was asked anne sister fashion she needed to correct her sister yes and ministers and there are correct and add right but and then gave us it additional information and then it turned out to be the greatest downtown to partner double sister storytelling you have them the next night to another sister came up first yes that was superweeds and it was just like fine it was sisters backing sisters weekend all weekend in portland and grave it was so much fun everybody was so great tat it really added yeah argue portland
so i have a corrections karen yes i have to apologise bobo is an absolutely ok word yes aid is and it doesn't mean anything derogatory register what is called you now and he said europe is out of business now everything's fine at were you thinking of bum people suggested that probably was putting them together i just in my mind still like walking by a homeless person and sang i think that hobo just sounds so maybe it's just wait towns sounds in my head you know i mean yes it's its contextual interpretive but the word itself is not from like me i'd like to learn to do so hard and i'm sorry oh thank you for apologizing that's very very so you i found out and this is very separate but it's this reminds me of it because none
wanna be an asshole now or talk about people asshole style i'm still i think this progress is made me even more aware of like everything about the area yet we hear about it all the time it did you know that the when you called the sprinkles at you on top of a sunday jimmy's that that's racist i would never use that word i never knew ere i always call them that lie there this call them i think racist yeah i think that a lot of things they just assume our racist and this found bab like that why does it sound bad i because i think i've heard before what oh ok what's the background called i might be like a like a nickname me they are the crow his their chocolate
ah once some unexplained it's me i say it out loud and someone turned round it was like what are you doing and i was like would give me using a weird when people like you didn't know that number when people say a word that you're like are you like the r word for people who are mentally challenge hunched yes that people that i know that living caliph like los angeles have i've heard people say that work am i like how the fuck you do not know but you don't use that word but it's gotta feel bad there was a we good pierre say video that was put out about using the are worried about really loved it was back it was when i was stone facebooks it was like at least five years for six years ago i'm from its brag
bring it up any time ok i'm no longer i sailed don't i still call starbucks coffee small medium just so i think you and i are in the same which are totally made quite a bit like a ship which always like fair i'm on your plans is a bit like i can't let you know i can't let you but even just even isn't even as a discussion nine i'm not gonna let you do it it's a guy called coffee java legged no it's as if you were like airplane food is small was that i heartily wasn't making a joke i was just really angry about it but yes it anyways got anyhow piazzi no no just so you know we're talking about a p s i know i know i was just going to say it's it's that kind of thing of this is if it feels bad dont do it and you know it feels bad when you because you're ever not using it in a anything but a derogatory way and it was in a movie the other yesterday i was just so tired just laying their work tv all day long there is this terrible movie came on and
one point in the movie in it was from the early two thousands this girl says it she's just like that so retarded and it was it sounded so's that it will dont really do it anymore at least at least not in movies and then at los angeles i mean all those words i think you know well that's the thing is certain peripheral country it's not even known but let me be just native well there's something people fight because they're like oh social justice wherever they are just don't insult people if you don't need to yeah why domain and lying about something you don't need it right there are so many words it's about the export can any use of were yeah i mean the world i could say some words at our whole fine that i love saying like cunt yeah you can't say that i now i a t shirt that i bought when i looked like one
in my twenties early twenties that had it look like the coke logo but it said contests dead and i were one day and was so self conscious and freaked out by every cause i of course got one thousand dirty looks well remember that i never word again i'm now blushing when i said that word lack that's how about i am at those but over a jolly old england they say it it's like saying jerk ray it's new deal jesse twat now know you should not never say that i fuckin hate the word swat i don't think i've ever heard anyone actually say it's very seventies speaking of it we really tease speak did you like that that's headway segouin of chemicals quarter but it is a great that were allowed to tease that were going across the seas yes hello london and in ireland ireland energy
and then you now that you said i like you i was actually really good how could you live there no that was scotland whatever now we're going rave it'll london a cup we have a couple it shows in england this is the teases very tedious is we don't know we're talking now apple shows in england a show in ireland a couple shows in australia and new zealand i mean we get to go to new zealand like we're coming just like we don't have any listeners there but we just really what could we do we want to see what it looks like yeah can anything so tat if you're a new zealand and you like this bar will you get a cup your phrase to like it so that we have at least fifty people at our shall be great that's the dream the dream is fifty and if you aid to bring farm animals or children that's fine but we just need to fill up whatever your local church hollis please yeah yeah yeah you so
go in costs international work were like pit bull you're becoming international like summertime what you know the idea summer or fall cinema under anywhere you'll hear more about it and it'll be this vague when you hear about so don't expect to get tickets anything you got me corrections appeal has been so long since passed it because we ve been doing lifestyles yes and it's my fault i i the terrible mistake of i forget that this is a weekly part ass we have to do so georgia this was hilarious i went left too you a great comedy show with joy mccullough his podcast julian loves music at a casino it out an hour outside of tulsa weed
the comedy show and his wife podcast and while i was there a georgia text me hey so tomorrow do you want to get together and do to do and due to do and i'm in i'm going to be under the rest of the week and i just permanently gone and it was like that realisation of like oh yeah after this happens every week i need to catch up with what the reality of my life is then happen can't just leave now i can fuck up and am i cannot but excuse and get out of it so i'm gonna fuck up bad yeah you got you will you gotta freeway a freebie gap rate as i'm about to go like what the and then you can like tulsa now be like we'll have a nice and change a hiccup moving on yeah so area burnt down your house sense look i'm sorry that i love arson tulsa do you prefer to do i think we should start over because you want to go first you want me to your first why went first less time did you
oh yeah the lecture i mean don't we have to follow just how we're doing it as opposed to what ere i don't know i think that's what we should do it for us and nobody cares nobody cares and i don't think we care that much i dont hair ok great now we know you're mad now and why do i like way live in used to matter that it will work early back to back it felt like so this finnish listening to this book called the devil alla time by donald re pollack which is a really fucking great book if an stories and other people in there all m intertwined some house i love and this one had a husband wife murder team well which i know you touch tat neither of us kind of are not interested in it or like that's not our first peck and it's so weird and creepy
doing one ok you're going outside your comfort of cold cases and yeah let lesser known cases that your passion unsolved familiar side i mean that's your genome i jam but now you're you're taking a stretch and speaking of england again around keeps being having this is the moors murderers okay so nineteen sixty one eighteen year old type myra hindley meets in brady yeah was born in glasgow and islam on january second eighteen thirty eight to a single mother and peggy and when he's for months old she fuckin advertises him for adoption in a news agents shop window oh man let her words in here that i normally wouldn't use and their english like news agent like news agent and shop window and i'm sure it's advertisement not advertise
peggy visits him at his foster family regularly until he becomes a teenager letting them know that that's his mom what now but i guess his foster families good yeah no but he still has extreme temper tantrums and they end with him banging his head on the floor just gotta waste cool to see a toddler doing that i meant to say despite being exceptionally bright he did poorly and school socially awkward considered quote sissy at sports and he's cruelty to animals pretty quickly and range from stoning dogs decapitated rabbits and unwanted now by country that it's a cat he later tells myra his later girlfriend that he killed us first cat when he was ten years old i get that was about
i grant that lay our state chit chat for whom you yeah gets worse ok at thirteen m m had its first was charged with house breaking housebreaking the latter teenager he did obsolete he taught all has had to go to the perhaps do it did it ever dna to redevelop vaccination with the writings of nietzsche and with nazi ism red flag you fifty nine he learns bookkeeping in prison and he gets a job as a start clerk and his vices on audio recording equipment and he transfers hitler speeches onto vinyl records all alike as a pastime yeah hung sounds fine that's ear he sounds like a real a real hoot yeah go get her ok and nineteen sixty one a new secretary starts at his work name myra hindley on their first date
pigs or to see a movie about the nuremberg trials so that today it is it not we see a nazi as am i mean yes nazi so guys like would you like to go to them is it me in your like sure that's cool he's like kind of q mouselike fifty's back here is older yeah yeah he's like the cool guy it at the office strong opinions rate is not like the boys at school who don't like nazi as yet he's got his arm up a narrow le just like what you're looking for and then you meet the movie theater and it's the falcon burg trial supervisor after the you start dating they ring each other books about nazi atrocities on their lunch break he hamley she starts to alter appearance to replicate the area ideal bleaching her hair blonde and wearing red lips
and so in really grooming her to become subservience and they start discussing in crimes together like robberies that would make them rich ultimately they decide that murder was more their style nice time in outlines up land where myra would wear a disguise did abducted child and take it to the moors where they would rape and and bury it there and an ancient three they took their first victim sorry so in that discussion it's hard enough to meet i am glad that you really get along hey how many siblings you have i just have one older sister you wanna murder children only god i've been dreaming of that since i was young migrant how young since i was a child out that's the water ask that's all i'm saying is you really i guess the nuremberg
this was really the test yeah of like is she's gonna go with this year if you cry when a bunch of nazis are being hung hang probably both thing you know that right now you ve found the wine also i have seen myra hamleys mugshots yeah as a blonde with that lipstick on yeah how do you feel about ass she was it is definitely a foul winter let's just say it that way not a but it's not complementary to her face i mean i have bleached long heroines amended a good i knew it immediately and i wouldn't have done it for a guy what did you just avoiding killed while children and children's health children than the moors in nineteen sixty three in july for the first victim in tells
i heard a drive her van around the area local area while he follows behind his motorcycle and when he sees a victim that he wants he want she's gonna flash his headlights out her signalling her too job over an offer that percinet ride so they see young girl walking towards them and i'm in signals let us stop she doesn't do until they pass her and brady's like what the fuck and she's like i know that girl i don't wanna take her so instead a pm and spot six year old pauline reed on her way to dance and pauline as a neighbour of hamleys who is a friend of her your sister maureen so she was ok with getting into the man with henley who then so she would mean helping to search for an expensive glove she had lost on saddle more subtle worth more and attract of open oh eight
an unsound are worth more and then i was like you know why i didn't know what a more was site from photos needs to explain to people when it was its basically just an open big open uncultivated feel like picture where in a british we'll go shooting everybody is yes the icon a key hilly open grasslands situation firm thousand miles miles and miles so she wanted her to come find her glove with her an pauline says she's in no hurry and agrees when they at the more brady arrive shortly afterwards on her motorcycle and hindley introduced him to read as her boyfriend and that he also to find the glove and then hindley clams that brady took read into the more willingly just hung out in the van after about thirty minutes brady comes back alone and takes her backs spot where red lay dying her third even cut with
large and knife and the color of her coat had been pushed into the wound what's so horrific back plainly stay with red while he goes and gets a spade that he had hidden nearby in a previous visit to bury the body so he henley notices that pollens coat is undone and her clothes were in disarray guessing that she had sexually assaulted i mean she claims she wasn't there witnessing at that can come on now right and at a rabbit henley later clams that she assisted him with the sexual assault you turned on that story and he says it's incorrect make it in their indra sorry i thought would be in character i see now so basically she says i wasn't there and later on he's like oh no she was there and help me i'm gonna
ok then on than the early evening of number twenty third nineteen sixty three she approaches sorry myra approach is a twelve year old boy named john kill ride in lancaster lancashire and offers him if tom on the pretext that his parents would be worried about him for being so late offers him also a bottle of sherry and he as twelve years old is like hell yeah the term marrow like well if you go make a detour to collect it and that also we need help finding a glove in a more he's like ok and then when they get to the more brady the child em again henley says you wait in the car well brady sexual assaults kill bride and attempts to slit his throat with six and charade blade before fatally strangling him with a piece of string so this guy's the falcon animal animal monster psychopath ok
then in the early evening of june succeed banking sixty four so this all happens within a couple years years then the early evening of june nineteen sixty four twelve year old keith it is on his way to his grandma's house in manchester when him henley lures him into her many pick up which brady was sitting in the back of asking if he'd help load boxes and then she said she drive him home afterwards so she goes to the more again and again the letter boxes out on the morgue earlier than you now i have to move from the more i little twelve euro can i need help carrying some heavy ding ding ultimate red flag if she don't ask adults will not asking for help that's right yes don't walk around your goddamn town by yourself all the time i mean now that i've ever ever happens anymore now never
thirty minutes later brady comes back alone and when hindley sparsely asked how he killed then it he says it sexually assaulted him and strangled him went down with a piece of string and they buried him out on the more some are twenty six nineteen sixty four brady and sixty four brady a hindley visit in search of another victim and they know it ten year old leslie an downy standing beside one of their rights when it becomes isn't that she's alone they approach her and deliberately drops something from their shopping cart close by her and ask her for help carrying the packages car what does the angel she's tannin she's like yes i'll help you she's at the current oh yes i met a carnival alone and our help these two adults and there like this is so creepy is it's a man and a woman as in your mind you're never gonna like your hitchhiking and a couple stopped for a man and a woman yet you shall say yes that's right it's the old trick of having a woman there so creepy it's the worst and also the little kids
yeah so unfair it's just like it it goes against everything here stinks would tell you huge trick do you think that women it's are horrifying for women to kill children than for men like it's i feel it is it i feel equally horrified at a rivalry that i hear of people that think it's ok to kill children lawyer it like that need the like a compulsion to kill children there some just and it can you liar something so wrong with you i feel like what horrifies me more than the compulsion is the like b is being ok with it it's not even my legs he might not have had a compulsion to kill children but she went along with it anyways yet as that is even more depraved because it's not even this like addiction that you have she was doing it for her fuckin boyfriend totally which is
the letter i mean you ve known people are like now i'm into swing dancing in your life that's so land but you never say anything right this is lake but she'll get over a just exactly just like will wait for this one the window mule here tonight monti whatever but now this is like it's very extreme i bought of s buffer boy listen i'm not gonna lie i mean i thought oh acute and i liked it but i got it said that he would think our core yeah and i hear i want you to a proudly i can say that the first bad experience that i had with a guy that was like that was someone who secretly born again christian and then after we together like unveiled that really he just wanted me to say the seven magic words that would enable me to go to heaven when i died whatever magic words i said jesus christ my personal savior you just adam yeah man i was already idea you know what the catholic upbringing whizzer like red flat likened like whizzer look
back in your dating like obvious things will was very short so we were friends first everybody that i was right we had like the small group of friends and all the girls were in love with him and then it was like he picked me i'm gonna like i'm so special exactly and then like a week later he is like i just need you to say these words and then come to light church with me and then i don't really want to date you but major girls charge you get a gold star it was yeah seriously it's like did you get some kind of kick back for bringing media but how did you collect and when i was like out this is this is like pathetically not anything about what happens if you were like this familiar you would have been a crash exactly so but i feel like a learned early the worst kind of most painful way of like oh the ulterior motive thing like the second comes out words even power even if its lake
like star wars i'm let good bye fuckin tricked me how dare you like all right you had better go igniting you gotta like it all has to command immediately or else you don't trust them that's right i just some anyway anyhow we'll talk about how i'm alone later and i are all the trust issues in the world don't even an eu blah blah blah but above all by terrorism i is there shit they needed help carrying them into her house into their house so once inside the house sweet little girl is undress suspect up undressed gagged and forced to pose for photo before being raped and held and brady again states that it was henley who killed leslie and downy sorry in states that its actually though myra who killed
stand down above cautious as it wasn't that she was running a bath for her and come back came back and she was dead just like fuck you you know here's the thing however the truth really is it doesn't matter because of their point you could have been sitting at home waiting for him to come back from the moors europe complicit which means you might as well be standing next to him in my yeah emmets i mean i agree i now want to think the worst of you yet you are following this at all yeah it's not like it gets you off the hook somehow right the next move they may take her body to saddle worth more and is buried in a shallow brave ok so towards the end we're getting towards them on the evening of october six nineteen sixty five they go to the manchester central railway station and and picks a guy at twelve seventeen year old guy named edward evans any
produces myra as his sister they drive back home drinking a bottle of wine together and an sends meyer to fetch her brother in law such her brother a model when they get back to the house myra too of her brother in law that's it outside its really weird so basically the brother in law who is myra sisters husband is kind of a small time crook and the whole year in this kind of cultivating this friendship unlike grooming him too help him with his crimes it said that smith is david smith is in awe of an and basically they kill the sky in evans and try to get david psmith to go along with that although he doesn't he says he'll come back the next day to help buried the body it's so sorry he doesn't want to be four therefore the murder he's all good with the burial
well here's the thing so he says he was in the kitchen and didn't know what happened but what comes out of this either way is that when david smith gets onto my wrist sister he tells her what happens and they're both like let's go call the fucking cop so good what can you imagine calling coupling your sister like that but also she always like this beast sister i'm sure right yeah it has yet she must have been a sociopath timmy just come the cereal killing children and she probably she probably suspect something is happening between them there weird and secretive there every be nazis nazi his allotted nazi behaviour is never a good never gets never so they can police from a nearby found box
i'm not gonna change someone's gonna keep saying that but they bring a screwdriver and a knife just in case brady shows up alpha imaginative mailbox above ox hearing that scared that like the vote you bans just gonna be like hey yes yes i mean once you realize that that's what's happening thoroughly so but they dont even though that he's like they thought maybe he just killed this dude that they were trying to fuck like then i'm another he's a child killer yeah jesus christ them i'm so the morning of the next morning superintendent bob talbot of the cheshire police arrive at the back door he's wearing a borrowed bakers overalls to cover his uniform social opened the door nice and he says he's police officer comes in and that in is hang in the living room he says investigating an act of violence involving guns and let's see looks around the house there's room that's locked he goes into the room
and when they come back they say that they discovered a trust of body and that has been arrested on suspicion of murder and he is claiming it was self defense they had got in a fight we sorry that trust body is the seventeen year old yeah air he's saying we're gonna fight and got out of hand it so we had to the body in a real right and we were gonna bury it she says i venture to say they found a roomful of gloves human lives that they had found distinct stuck to the ceiling oh myers not arrested with an but she's questioned and she refuses to make any statement says it was an accident have any evidence that she's involves as she goes home and then in charge with an accessory under no than october eleventh my restarted with an accessory to the murder of the seventeen year old in and have an added words and then request a search of all manchester is left luggage offices for any suitcases that belong to brady and october fifteenth they
the suit case that belongs to him and inside were nine pornographic photos taken young girl naked and was scarf tight around her mouth and a thirty minute taper ring of her screaming and pleading for how god and an downy leslie and down his mom listens to the fucking tape can you fucking that's john walsh action rights that's fucked up with what did he do he looked lotos of body is no he listened to an audio tabled a little kid getting murder to find out if it was adam i'm right here and when i was in so he just it yeah that's the worst thing of all time just nauseous thinking about that's horrible so she says it's definitely her ten year old daughter then the police searching their house and find an old school book that has on kill rides name and add the twelve year old who i'm missing there so fine a large collect
the photos of in the house which seem to be taken on saddle worth more so they fucking go and start searching them war and on october cs policemen an arm bone sticking out of the peat that the body that was the body of leslie and down like an armaments even under the it's your just it it's a big wide open field of grey gray low grass and brambles i think we re and then you're just trying to walk it and then noticed an arm in arm m o another site on the opposite they found the badly decompose body of john kill bride and then the searches called november because of the weather so brady's charged with murder of evan edwards seventeen year got john kill bride and leslie and downy and myra hit me with the murder of evan edwards unless they i'm downy they plead not guilty to the charges that i may
fixed deliberating for two hours the jury finds brady guilty of all three murders in handling guilty of the murders of her the two people they brady sentenced to three life sentences and homely was given two on february so ninety seven myra made a formal confession to the police admitting her involvement in all five martyrs low on july for ninety seven i've the body is discovered only a hundred yards from the place where less and downy had been found keith bennets body has still never been found and his team continues to search the more on november fifteen thousand intuit aged sixty myra died from brung braun keel pneumonia caused by heart disease and he's still mother king alai woe really an almost positive were sorry that's
crazy that you know people of an asking us to do these guys for a while now and i would have if i hadn't lesson of this book just because you know yeah but i did it is so good i mean they're yeah there there's like one of the earliest team creeps feeling back on it so let you know you have this small town and children and people are going missing and you just and put it together because that didn't happen back then i would like you wouldn't be like a twelve year old sky under a runaway yes that just was unthinkable and i think that switch between boys and girls it's also like kind of way to throw off police yes many ages was like drawing your boy you know it general girl like it was kind of all over the map in terms of probably how they work totally and also just the fact that she
that one girl was her little sisters friend i now is so fucking evil it's crazy it wisely like yeah that the trust asp and then also the other way of myra you so into your boyfriend that you'd you are now like his right hand man which she argues like no he had brainwash me and i was under his command and other shit he groomed me to be his which is like may we are but only to an extent i mean that could be true but i don't think that that's an excuse for what you did it you know here's the thing whether its true or not you still did a total that's the problem at any point you could have run away and call the police you because did she safe from brainwashing did she claim he was abuse ever any that sounds like they were like were stoked nazis internationally of being abusive and i
but if she hadn't died she would have been left out of prison at some point because she was so old here because year because it well that's like the m paul bernardo and and carla she got out of prison she's out of prison now i bet she would have got now yeah that she would have so creepy socrates all crazy cool so the more murder they are what last podcast on left calls heavy hitters there like famous big famous ones mine is the opposite of that minors i went to georgia hard stock style as you call me the desired stock no dark start but my mouth did a weird thing at the ends but just as until it's my new thing are economic i'm slurring but i have been sober for quite suffer the power at least i should specify overnight drink right
there's when people are like yours sobriety means a lot to me and then i'm like what i'd stop drinking and ninety seven i'm definitely math let us keep remind everybody ok so when we were in portland i did the thing just talking about where three shows we had three murders i only learned that we had a third show or at least was reminded we had a third show like the night the day of the first air stephen texted me and he was like i said so and do this moment to do this because ok what's your third one i was and i just throw back no no no on saturday no friday ok yeah oh my maybe it was thursday it was late for me because i was like are you kidding i have to do a whole another one year now that's like we need you and i'm not saying you must say we need to get our should gather were traveling because heiress within a fucking day when we're travelling that i am not scrambling
yes what is it about ass we just i can keep an eye both just work better when were under pressure that's use most writers are like that and are and are scared of failing and dread work so much that you put it off to the last minute will because at an age i i say this for myself typing is not writing so when you write you for things like this it is reading and kind of processing and figure out a way to tell a story rate the problem is that if you do but last minute you're then you're just read your reading something you can pace as appears to telling a good story and there's no personality exactly and so but i'm here i'm like fun i'm sorry no no when i edit my sit down and start working on the story that i like i'm so happy and i'm so stoked and it's like my favorite part of the weak yes getting to that spot is so fucking hard for me it's the bridge it's the bridge to doing it
the hardest that's when i start doing a lot of laundry i start wiping down surfaces they had already clean i am i don't do anything their frozen ok so here's the thing in my pants of going third murderer i start working on this fuckin guy but he killed so many people across the nation then he didn't feel like a portland killer to me and i was very him but luckily who still there for me because the second we back we get back we have to record again in his eyes like lime and go back he supports you that's right earl nelson the gorilla keller have you ever heard all right does guerrillas damn is it worth known an implicit but it's the dumbest name what a barber was he like me oh so insulting well i've read so this is one of those ones i should say
murder pdf is one of my favorite websites it is an aggregate site where they just they bring you all articles and anything written about the killer you ve looked up it's not like wikipedia words like here is this paragraph by paragraph of what happened it's like here's an article from two thousand six here's one from nineteen sixty seven yes it's them but you also then in reading all the articles about the one person realise how that this guy it was like he was the gorilla killer because of his features he is called the gorilla killer because you walked on his hands he was called the gorilla killer because it took so much strength to kelly's women and he rarely used a weapon he killed them with his hands whatever is there kind of situation but still all that being said murder pdf works like wikipedia so if you use it or like it i recommend you give him five bucks because
i want it to exist always because it's such a great site to fur research for this it makes my life so much easier earl nelson the gorilla killer not like that when you think of crimes of earlier tunnel special care which i do all the time you think the limburg baby kidnapping and murder you think al capone anne elliot nurse and the mafia crimes and prohibition whoops you think of leopold in lobe by meanwhile all those things are happening the first known american cereal sex killer was on a rampage and nobody knows about it a few people do the they area newspapers cause he started in the san francisco bay area called him the dark strangler because of his alleged better yeah i know right cause he could slip in and out of these houses
without being seen sometimes in broad daylight later on he was called the gorilla killer because he murdered women with his bare hands but it turns out he was just play old psychotic earl leonard nelson so early nelson's mother and father both died of syphilis before he reached the age of two yeah that's a rough start that's just your kick off that's just downhill yeah that's like the bottom of the hill and then you keep on going then then you're down in the sewer area come at the bottom of my merits don't have noses so he's then to san francisco to be raised by his maternal grandmother who is a devout pentecostal so he's got a fun and damaging childhood from a bible thumping old lady grandmother he was so but he said he was already a quiet morbid kid with violent temper but then end
his expelled from school at age seven for being in cordial age seven here and yards about scenario earl earlier and courage of all earl but he then at each ten is hit by a street car by writing his bicycle he has a head injury he's in a coma for six days is us and when he wakes up his behavior becomes even more erratic he begins suffering from frequent headaches memory loss and eventually migraine oh jesus sit now his moody and in his moody angry periods are broken up by pure it's a mania in which he takes to walking on his hands or lifting heavy chairs with his teeth
can you imagine we sounds like an eleven year old of things i can share with them but you can t a little evan year old where you like oral please but that's all sit down your dinner each pinafores now if you dont need to do that with the charity more wholesome back when everything was made solid would the vulcan chair he's pick it up with his teeth disease like i gotta get this out ok so its quoted as saying this is my favorite quota maria pete murderer pda about him as a young man nelson was a day dreamer and a compulsive masturbate or if the pick one of those of you kill people i think they go together nicely whistling handsome pocket what is the nightmare equivalent of a daydream o connor masturbated we both at the answer also eighty percent
of sit most serial killers are chronic masturbating as children that's one of those that's one of those harold schecter look out for this red flag as a team he was a regular the bars and brothels barbary coast which was like the red like district of turn of the century san francisco when he was eighteen he broke into it happened that he thought was abandoned and he was arrested and spent two years and san quentin for far can you imagine a teenager and san quentin that it wasn't that call now so he and listen the navy he gets kicked out for behaving oddly radically he actually was he was because it was world were one he enlisted in and got kicked out of the military for time only share many
kept signing up under a different name in they would take em cause dislike duty they needed people and her like a year to crazy to go to the frontline yeah we're we're getting our asses kicked over like over there and you still can't come in just be a bullet so he this the last time he was an he was in the navy and he got kicked out because he refused do anything but lion is caught and ran about the the great beast of revelation so he's just a crazy bible thumper and he ends up oh ice he refused to do anything but lioness caught and rant about the great beast of revelation a k a dreams debating debating that's what it is that's what it is so they commit him to nap estate hospital which was a very famous mental insane asylum in northern california it was there that it was discovered
he had both gonorrhea answer my fucking yeah do you i mean this is it brain has no chance at this point getting hit by fuckin car you piling up were born with yeah these things in your brain his brain was just never not inflamed i dont feel path for this guy yet how i probably find out yeah you won't feel about later but you can definite feel bad for ten year old girl because he did not have a good use there's a reason is picking up there's this teeth so he managed to escape three times from nap estate spittle before the staff just stopped trying to find which is the opposite of the trees three strikes law so he he goes back after the third time he escapes he goes back lives with his aunt again in san francisco his aunt gets my job as a janitor at saint marries hospital saint mary hostile is where my aunt mary works false
oh my god he's your brother the end okay so there saint areas hospital he meets and marries fifty eight year old spinster mary martin he twenty four mary and her she very shy and reclusive and he and obviously an old maid here comes earl fifty eight euro zone mentions an well i mean fifty eight as a forty seven year old i'm gonna say yeah maybe she's single as but maybe not all may i don't know will also this is back and europe must get married when you were fourteen rate and have six kids by the time you are twenty right so she was way out of the window possibility kind of standing round saint marries hospital staring out the window pulling her sweater across waiting for a twenty four year olds like a path to save her and then he shows atomic bombs various earl so turns out she's very shine reclusive he makes her life
living how he is insanely jealous he refuses to bathe he is terrible manners and an insatiable sex drive date thirty like dating life like the two of them i think they whatever the equivalent of the trials of no they went to see that every fuckin weekend right right also earl has terrible migraine attacks that sometimes leave him unable to walk and one i'm during one of those attacks he falls from oliver ladder at work and hit his head lacking come on double head trauma they dont cancel each other out now he's really nice we thought that would be if they say he not got knocked back into place new and he just started working for habitat for the put to sea like the chill as brow at the beach after that famine story went and then she went on to kill people oh i just really quickly have to say
total sidebar but talking about children at the beach so really mad of course is on my dv are recording and so i finally brought myself to watch the episode of well said he said did you watch i've diamonds i love the sharm caught up ok he's into episodes yes him lena dunham character getting together i'm sorry i have to say i'm really mad why i'm really can i first of all why she is that she wanted to make this lena dunham wonder if i can make out with some heavy ass limited happen whose use just like an unknown stop power i contact in any less attracted to him because i dont like scrawny guys i'm he's scrawny it made me love him ten times more than already did because i was like what it was like as if was not a tv show and i was like why would you pick her why didn't you
me i wasn't athletes or that each party i didn't see you stopping i wasn't there to make it happen and if i were there i would have never been anywhere near you not to talk to you and wouldn't know how to really like balls to be like that guy is going to want to fuck me i'm going to talk to him that's right so i love i mean fuck i love that about her i do too with never learn a question about him lying fucker like i know this is happening at making it up as is the guy that's gonna fuck me now which actually does happen often yeah but think i agree with all of that but i was just like his two scrawny fuck you now i'm mad at you and her right i should have never gone into that area driver but it hurt me deeply and i was surprised to those like what i don't get it and they knew what the plot was he was just stupid stoner so great i know by love that anyway ok listen here's what i'm telling you he buck in full of a ladder because
grain double down head trauma of before he leaves the hostile after two days does won't stay there anymore head wrapped in vantages so we just running around on street like a lunatic with a head were like fuckin frankenstein yes and he goes back home now is more paranoid and violent with his wife she come a fuck yeah she's like this was already weird i already doubted it but i did it anyway now you're now i can't talk to my own brother without you freaking out like she he would literally got jealous if she talked to her brother and she sixty he's so one of the art as i read said that she had a nervous breakdown because of him but there's just one either but she divorces and within six months of them being married and although
i wrote although i like it he was way into older ladys it gives me hope sometimes i have fun right all these things are so dynamic sweet young thing like resume at that's right but not in his twenties doesn't picture but his teeth now i thought you were tunisia definitely stoner yes someone shell with eyes that take up two thirds and whom anyhow in eighteen twenty one he turns from burglary to sex crimes he attempts to molest twelve year old mary nelson after seeing her playing in her basement and then deciding to proposes the gas man he sees a little girl playing in a basement now commodore says he's the from the gas company her older brother whose like it is early twenties i think lets him in he go straight down to the basement and immediately attacks her she fights him off screaming the brother hears
runs downstairs goes to fight him he he likes forms pass the brother runs outside the brother follows him runs after they fight in the street my arm and then earl punches kid in the head and gets away has injury new had enjoyed two hours later earl is picked up writing a trolley car he's just like around here neighbor hissing outscore sums sightseeing yeah he's slick where's that super crooked stew i've heard so much about that night in jail he plugs out all of his eyebrows his fingernails yes so is already a creep now he has no idea he's recommitted back to nap estate hospital and stays there for four years so then he's released and then i wrote what do you think and now he gets a job as an accountant lives a productive life and molestation free light be he dreams to
says way into an early craig you foresee the killings began i go see yet the killings began in nineteen six so on february twentieth sixty year clara newman answers the front door to a man inquired about her rooms to let sign in her front window them and tells her his name is virgil wilson he's carrying a the bible and he is very polite cleverly sum up to the roof she's renting and there he turns from candy kindly bible lover to pure and oh and strangled her to death he rapes her dead by the leaves her dress bunched up around her waist and leaves on his way outcome his nephew sees the man in the front hall he asked what the man is doing there and the man says tell your i want to read the room i'll be back in an hour so the nephew goes back to his books and they d discover the body until in the attic room until that night my arm two weeks later he kills
laura beale in san jose in the exact same way she has a landlady that's renting out a room he comes holding a bite all who so easy yes and being like i'm interested in your room it this time the differences he uses a belt to strangle her to death and she's found in the rental room naked from the waist down south than three months pass and then earls cross country killing spree starts so he basically does the exact same thing over and over like he'll kill it men whose led whose letting a room and then he like either stays in the city and does it again or he jumps on a train and does it in a different city so he does it everywhere so on june tenth he lillian saint mary who is sixty three years old in san francisco on june twenty fourth he kills anna russell whose fifty eight in santa barbara then he goes back up to oakland any
hill's mary nesbitt on august 16th on october 19th one thousand nine hundred and twenty six this is all one thousand nine hundred and twenty six he kills beatrice withers in portland she's only thirty five and her body was stuffed into a trunk then the next day he kills virginia grant who's fifty nine and portland her body is stuck behind the furnace in her basement on october 21st that's day after that in portland kills mabel fluke and hidden in the attic and the cross base in the attic what you say jesus oh oh sorry other you're asking a question on november fifteenth he kills admires whose forty eight years old in oregon city november eighteenth well i mean edmunds fifty six back down and san francisco then back up in seattle on november twenty fourth he kills floors monks and then the next day
oh sorry a month later he kills elizabeth beard in council bluffs oh he's clearly have to train then he's in kansas city later in december but somewhere between december twenty third and twenty eight he kills bonnie pace in kansas city just fucking crazy out on twenty one december twenty eightth he in kansas city he kills twenty eight year old germania harping and her eight month old baby her he's on a serious fuckin spree then he goes quiet for months and then on april twenty seventh of nineteen twenty seven in philadelphia which is where he was from originally where his parents the civil attic super couple are there the whole healthier he goes back there and tells me mcconnell she sixty years old then he gets
somehow to buffalo and on may thirtieth he kills jenny round off was thirty five then in goods goes to detroit and on june first nineteen twenty heaven he kills many may and a larger in that same house mrs antwerp they don't know how old she is but she sounds old to me and two days later in chicago he kills mary c est cs sima sorry whose twenty years old so by this time he knows the cops are after having are keys i mean he's just like a killing spray and they now it's one do doing all the yes and the people because these are a lot of our boarding house is raised other eye witnesses in the border as not just the lady who shows in the room sure so he crosses the border up into the pig to get away from the cops and
he rents of room there on june eighth wet my birthday even though i am sure would sue i carry all birds but how can you not he actually was born i complete we really because earl was born on may twelve and i was born on the eleventh throws like day after them yeah it's him he crosses the border into when a peg rents room and on june eighth he's angles fourteen year old lola cowan who is selling paper flowers door to door jaime to help her poor very impoverished family he stuffs her body under the bed leaves that boarding house and the next day he's wandering around the same neighborhood and when a peg and he sees emily patterson whose thirty five cleaning her house and he somehow gets himself inside her house he strangled
rick he strangled her to death rapes and mutilates her dead body and stuffs her under the bed and leaves without being seen so she's reported missing by her husband and that night when her husband goes to go to sleep he knew else down next to the bed pray for strength and to pray to find his and when he goes to stand up his leg catches the bedspread and looks down and sees his wife's wool sweater sticking out from underneath the bed so he reaches underneath it and touches the dead body of his dead mutiny it wife ah my god i didn't say dead so many times that would have been a really well told kind of build up while that's this package is not who we really are dead dead dead so by time mr patterson calls the police and says that he has found his wife the body
hello account has also been found and the same morning of mrs patterson murder earl left the house went down sold his clothes at a second hand store took the money that he got for those clothes and goes down barber to get a shave and when he sat in the chair the barber had noticed that earl had blood in his hair so when the story of these murders comes out the barber goes to the police and tells the story gives the description as does all of the people that live in the boarding house where low accounts body was found cause there's all kinds of people that saw that guy who stayed in that room so at this point between the barbarous description the island eyewitness accounts from the other boarding house earl nelson likeness is distributed across every province and border town in canada and there's a fifteen hundred dollar reward posted for his capture
an earl is arrested hopping onto a train so here's the thing he is a master escape artist so once again he escapes from yes he's he pick he can pick any luck they had taken his shoes socks and belt when they put him into the jail cell so he's escapes with none of those things and that night he finds a barn he hides in the barn and in this barn he finds an old man sweater and a pair of ice gates so he pulls the blades of the ice gates makes the ice gates and issue a smith that fucking will love it so does he is ready then he goes when the next morning he leaves the barn and discuss fuckin walk out and he ends a cigarette from a guy and chatting them for a while cause he doesn't think you can get caught as has now been murdering women for a fuckin year straight and he's standing around smoke
and chatting in ice gate shoes and the guys life what up crazy and calls the car told her tat he knew just what if someone you knew just shut up and ice gauges to fired also world was like he the blades out so was you walking on was still there like that one remedy the bottom and they were not there's no way there were his size yet like what are the chances of finding like assize ten but can ice his thick ice gate she noticed a man i just wanna picture frames comp and over he's just he's he's late countries are currently under gravel road and ice gate she's perfect earl you fucking idiot array become an accountant you'd die dumb ass so so that this smoking i of course alerts the authorities earls recaptured he's taken back into custody he's tried he's
after a less than an hour of deliberation convicted of emily patterson and low look hellenes murders any sentence to hang and when a peg on january thirteenth nineteen twenty eight one report said he struggled for alike ten minutes before he died with that hanging but then another said he died instantaneously and then made a very specific note of saying how how why people would die take too long to die of the rope was too short i even when they would do that a lot from they wanted to suffer because what you want to happen when you hang someone is further nectar break yeah but if you it's too sure right and they follow their nepotism break they just slowly fucking choked outta yeah sounds horrify yeah either way earth it's too long it's
like the snap doesn't happen right where i know either when i ain't always something happens and this happens and of another their dogs there is a choice you can make as the rope length decided here you're not really use nets that your first day yeah and this guy by the time they catch him and know who he is and what his history is the dark strangler guerrilla killer is there like i don't maybe make that seven feet long you know they did that in nuremberg when they killed a bunch of the ex nazis they made there even lot the long robes gave some of them they purposely gave some fifteen minutes of choking the death yeah i mean i watch nuremberg these and not on your yearned vincent's first day and the first thing i knew it i knew it's a logo early sister
dead of more murders that didn't said the girl a killer dark strangler emma because of those to kick cooling off he had so after his first two murders there are three months before it that spree started and they think that he killed other women just not either not all or not landlines outline strangled dying to know what he looks like quit personality was like his heave stoop he must have been stupid because he has had a couple times i mean i do they just said he was gary his family members were scared of him and then that aunt that he would go back and of which they were like they said he was like a big kid and he was a big violent kid so he kind of couldn't be reasoned with so they just did whatever he wanted and hoped he would leave was what the aunt said so they family history totally scared him so apparently just super violent and weird as far end there is our
a really good story of the ants that time when he got of jail escaped from member state mental hospital he showed at her window one night was raining now and she said he turned she turned around and saw she said his eyes were black it really weird hat on any was just staring through the window in the rain in it scared the living shit out of her so she let him in but she basically convinced him you better leave cause they're gonna come here and look for you and she just got him to leave as soon as possible can you imagine like it scared her and then even when she realized she knew it was she was still scared out of your fucking mind like cats just you he added i like oh fuck it yeah yeah yeah so he's could possibly i think they said between twenty and twenty six confirmed victims but
i think there could be many more because he was also all across the nation and up into canada and harold sector whose roots written some great true crime books numb there's a book he wrote called diesel that he where he talks about earl earl leonard nelson the gorilla killer amazing i've never fucking heard of that me either in that's huge yet the viewers actual serial killer yeah i mean erica right ok is just cause i thought the same thing where there was that guy peter curtain in germany there is a couple other ones but this guy was like the first when they think they know of latin america that's a lot of fuckin people yeah did not old ladys just trying to rent a room well thank you
thank you she received a thing we like yell anything i have it didn't you say we're watching a show you really like you haven't i can't remember what was it fiction turn on fitbit is non fiction it was like different kind of deaths it's really cool but i can't remember i'll find out for next week okay what about you you said you said something i'll think of some poke i'll say this one we're in portland i got to hang out with my friend stacy who you and who is the greatest she runs a place called curious comedy theatre in portland if you live there they have improve shows there they have stand up shows there are lots of cool stand ups perform their think wrong when she's gonna be there next simple she books really are people and we just had a really great time hanging out and it made my visit in portland it's nice to have
friends and that an stacy and my friend jason lopez who i have known since i was twenty we used to work at the gap rather easier zone in the castro together he's one of my oldest friends and he was there both nightly actually i love that like ok well i guess my is similar in that like this is the first time vince came with me on a and tour and it was just like i just meant something you mean to have him there and have a support and just like hang out with him in black man i'm so i haven't blown away by him and i don't want him to come with us all the time and eight he has taken it was so great a mouth i just love having him around
idea tat my husband is probably the shirt but that you have a really awesome experience having a marriage you know how much fucking travelling anxiety i have and how much i hate leaving the house and ask where they get em how worried i get an having him they're just kind of alleviated oliver accept missing the cats but it'll alleviated all of that and it made at such a fun time for me instant instead of like an anxious every time you are free to kind of just have your fun and do do it yet instead of i think i mean it's not like you seemed in different than any other tear but but it is nice to know that then you dont have all those worries shoulders he asked to have fun yeah it's nice i mean some codependent but so why does it works for me most people are also that's not codependent you just have a great husband now grateful for my therapist says not co dependencies interdependency and if it works for you it's mine i live
kinda dependent as you know i want to slice of interdependence interdependence is good yeah it's it's lovely and he's i mean he's the best he really yeah he's i feel similar to him that you do we note that i am now going to get along so well it's called a going at a remedy get ready i'm here you guys cracking up a yes they dig it will also he just knows his shit to he's has so much experience in performing his experience in march sales yes yes and everything else is smart vince april he's the he's gotta podcast called we watch wrestling you get into the few about rustling or want yeah yay happy that's a good one other people the bigger have young unlikely and and thank you too anyone who came to those points as we had such a great time we get so many good presents thing
before coming to say hi after couldn't say that someone made catnip toys of fact a bunch of serial killers yes and their incredibly on put them on our ceramic i'm not getting number the cats hazardous so fucking cool yet as a keeper can't get via their incredible i think that it's not the same person but i also got a couple of dog toys that were they were slip little me he slippers a knee on green many sabrina hopping and georgian frank have already destroyed both they were very excited together my lover i am i used the greatest yes i do somebody you so much for listening and everything and you're the best answer x and don't get murdered by
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