This week, Karen and Georgia discuss the murders of master forger Mark Hofmann and the case of the Central Park 5.
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thanks for coming. That's Karin Scheele, Gara. What do we always started? Its super uncomfortable? We ve gone over this a million times were staring at each other or even any sort of us wait. I stared at each other to see who's gonna go first and then the faintest voices that we have to offer come out of our heads and then wastes asked to start over, but we don't. And we never plan anything. I mean what going and a plan plan? I mean we have an ending, what more anyone who cares anyway, the of all the things have you seen that picture the newest pictures and come back from the hovel telescope that show the galaxies the purple. They did it. Basically, it's like black background. They purple were the galaxies and picture and orange was the gas the different things of gas? Make stars and like theirs,
countless number of galaxies in this vote to give him an anxiety attack, I'm just sing. Who cares what we ve? Always this podcast dealer, stardust, data are made as star. I we real, I can't even start to think about it and we that is it be. The vastness of space gives your anxiety, the vastness of space, the reality of life. What is it, but what are we are or aliens? Clearly I mean everyone is I'm not I am actually irish, which is worse than harder. There is either that cast, we love mysteries abound. Yet I go to sleep too that linking the last episode is lake. Are our human actually aliens and it's like us, I got so into that episode that one I landed when I went to Petaluma for
On Thursday when I landed, Morn Adrian came and picked me up, I got into the car and was like so the thing is that there is a really good chance, we're all alien. That's events to him, as I explained at very poorly consumers. Like I don't know, a man! I'm then turned to him and one night when this was an army and said: do you think cats are alien, now I am now that we're in one in the relationship he is that, like what's it called he's the voice of reason ass, their own making a witch. There's a reason we can never think of the word trophy and I would like to say that I would like to take responsibility for it is, I think, every time it's happened, it's been in my story where we are like it a serial killer takes trophies yeah, they take a thing, may keep it so they can look at it and remember the bad thing they did. That's called a trophy. Its limit word memento, which is what we use. Veterans aim word yeah, but I guess
the most often use term and the ones that people's tweet to us in all caps was seventeen exclamation point trophy. Maybe here in the podcasting laughed which we finally moved into and everyone are you gonna ever tweet picture, put picture on instruments. I just like didn't feel like it was done yet, but I should just pesticides so good you guys. All of the awesome are centres and dolls. You ve made us an pictures and everything Georgia arranged in her loft obsessively ended. It looks so courts superfine already on them, social media, but there's things. I want to frame still and things I need to put up here and there, but are posted. For now. And there's also a drawing over let's.
Took it in talk straight. Yes, writing, and I thought it was so funny when I hung it crooked, yes at why sought immediately and it made me laugh, it's driving me crazy, like aid as a second, as he D furnace, and it's got a point, there's a reason is outweigh reason. I dont need to download the app them is a measure of leveller owed. They have that that can have that to do. You can have an app for any pay now. Man The great goes down we're gonna, we're screwed, ready on believe. Nothing will be straightened, the no frames will be straight and that you won't know. Even if there are like LAN lines, if they get a hard line of Zimbabwe, could you do you know you even your own phone number anymore, do you know my name Islands and ice Fifthly, were memorized each other's sentiment given out right now. Ok, please call us day or night. Do you know what I'd like? I'm super prepare drain of her pair for earthquakes. You know, and so I got lake extra. This is boring,
some worrying. Nobody has where it is. I take a huge sedate help thinking here in a cover for at least thirty seconds now. Preparing for earthquakes is necessary and a reality in California. Would you do by some flashlights commands judge it up a little have a flashlight may have of external batteries in my car and, in my hand, crank kind mountain, another pillar phone like like that, the charge on no, oh right, listen! Everyone be prepared, get that's it's! Very importantly, I haven't liquor and Ivan.
Quick KITT in my front clause I haven't do but I'll think of- is what, if that's the part of the house, it goes down dude I have women alive and, unlike the clearly the loud is gonna call. What is it doing? I stick flashlights under everything, in my whole, how smart and I've? Actually, when I bought my house, I had to sign a piece of paper declaring that I understood that my house is on land that if there is a strong of earthquake, it turned to liquid and sinks into the earth. What I will look at my own sing coal, which is as many people know, one of my great passions of life is simple. I have a question: what kind of look at our liquid are we talking about because it's something fun like Kool aid than? Yes, I have the crews of coin spring under the file. No, it's because I'm near the quorum quote, Ellie River bearing the one that's feet from my door, yes That goes right. A kind of near my house, I go north and then
it creates the water table is right again, close to under my house. So basically the ground shakes the eager the kind of self term whatever ground is under my house, we'll just mix with the water become like sand Quicksand Bay and give I end goodbye and can make it so things to skippers. Scooters. This is what you need to know. The miles differs in places where there isn't and won't be earthquake us ever pay you never know, though, didn't there's a geologists lessons then earthquake doktor, yes, definitely believe going. Emails are completely incorrect about all of this information paperwork. Licit. Speaking of them, not o expert such rape,
I wrote a letter, an email from a girl who said I did the mainline murders in fucking insane mainline murders last week, yes and the girl who was his day those involved in the case in out ass. Well, ok, excited when you covered the mainline murders and last episode, as my dad was very closely involved in the case, he prosecuted Karen Reynard Lever, William Bradford Patches, patches, the profound for stealing from her estate. So the one thing he got in the beginning, he described it brown field as a master manipulator and a truly evil man, despite being prosecuted for over thirty years, and putting hundreds of murderous behind bars, including billionaire murderer, John Du Pont, who we wait is that the Cross Fox Catch or nine hell? Yes, My dad says no cases ever affected him quite like this. One he's afraid, four daughters and he still tears up when he talks about the kids.
The innocent children in the discovery of Karen's ART Museum pan on the floor, the car, when, by the way I accidently caught her Carol at the very end of it, and let's just You were off the page, though you are just trying to talk of. Yes, that's always a mistake, it's the mistake that were were dedicated to make on asthma. Yes, never apologize for, like I just about patches and principal Smith were co conspirators he thinks and now patches had agreed, I'm real, I'm just calling them. This agree to split Karen's life insurance money with principle in exchange for killing Karen and her children. To this day, he still heartbroken over the police mishandling that evidence that lead D, J Smith conviction being thrown out, Thank you so much, etc, etc. Dominate day of k, thanks against sex, arrogant, murder, Brianna, P S and Stevens had he actually can I read the ceiling on our universe. Siemens, let my
I own embarrass here says I say, and that will decide after we gotta at seven p m to seven single Nope is Stephen Stinky Steve in single always sorry, Stephen. I want to take this one. What can we say? Then you can. This out obviously are in charge of this whole. Show everything lorries that so many so many listeners, like this year, inquiry mine, he's a cat guy which lots of girls leg, but dont mistake that for innocence Org, kind of Don't make his kindness for gentleness ruined, as the saying goes, my weakness for kindness.
Like that. I saw that one time on tumblr idea, right Stephen, this is going to be a may dating profile or whether this casts the whole thing can fit on. Where are you? Are you gonna Jerry? Let everyone now I haven't decided yet. Ok, I think you should take it over to What's it called any fish the current dating sites too many for issues. There is plenty of China Tomb anything I don't like this. I feel access to medicines through, yes, even religion, that's really important to you. I mean I M a sickness, bring that act over to too many fish, and then major change. A pay is speaking of travelling. Can I just say one thing adequately is at the end of an email. Did she start calling the woman Karen, because Karen was the daughter yeah,
now. I know only because those shit in my name and I know she's at the discovery of Karen's ART Museum pan at the floor, the car, so the kids, the kid a right on the owner and then later on, the anger, it She may have no you're right. She did back in not just me Ray Macsharry, so them I now. I feel awful the mothers now. This isn't right. Ok, anyways! well just so just so they know we didn't do. Shall we start, but I was just run through, I meant to say this: the clerk the Cleveland murdering knows how to meet up they centre
picture may centres, video, there's a bunch of them there, a good looking group. They were all in a bar, enthusiastic and a lot of people are tweeting. Just saying what a great group it was, how happy it made them to be a part of it. Other people writing saying, hey, I didn't know. I wish I was there and they they ended up collecting five hundred dollars for the backlog me, which is so cool. So thank you guys so much and congratulations and way to go, because that really makes a difference. That's lovely! That's nice, decoying, sorry Doin clarifies Sorry Radagunda shit. I actually no idea what it's like there would. Apparently it's lovely. I I think I was lying act
great place, and there is an island meet up to where they went inside. Despicable me, together about like well, let's get on to have to make a bunch of cocktails would like. If I may now you just go out your movie, that's so good! I there is somebody sent. I can't tell if he it was the personal sent it was wearing the sweater cause. He kind of look like a model orphans just showing the picture of a sweater, but you can get us whether that is dumb. Loin d, you h at length basically smell, spelled fanatically turmoil and made me laugh really hard. Well, so I guess we're going to do now: we're not we're on each other's radar. My yeah we're gonna, be there. Speaking in travelling. Stephen is coming with us to Australia, the train, everyone. I think we can announce that yet so don't look so Oh, ok, there's a friend
a friend of events, this girl named Sarah and she's a leather worker and she sent us some handmade When are they can passport colors, hovers in leather smell that it's like a nearly as as De Giovanni Land and heard her Martine is the name of the company. It's a minority I and ii low there with the rabbit head eggless as the symbol. It's like. I see that request thing, not teen? I've ever had at Amsterdam, gorgeous and cool. I know thanks Sarah sorrows collar you so much burglary, matching anti our and it just walk through security, just like the elderly o upgrade them. I'm gonna hold my like, like there's FBI agency, gagging every living thing, open,
flip your thing, open with one hand you have. I know I'm taking over this thing. Oh, can I say one more thing about Marina YO on Instagram there having, I guess, a thing called lettering challenge, which I didn't know is a thing I tell these. People are like written to calligraphy, unlike ray and like lettering raises a thing, and so there having my favorite murder lettering challenge. I guess there's like hall: it's a whole community. They have challenges for like the month, and so there is how Shag letter M, F, em, and I think I found my A girl who is gonna design, my tattoo, my life ever motor cathode ray. So do you get one with me, or should I surprise you that so fucking weird? I I had a dream, the other night that every one of my family was good lieutenant together and I were in the dream I was like really
Mary. He get him your midst. Seventy six, like I did just look around at my camp. We would like- and you know we're getting a tattoo of some toes. I don't know, look it up, but yes, I'll get a tattoo with user owned together. Yes, ok can I wanna get mine all across my one haunch my whole at the bank, I'm in and get my leg with Cisco underlined on our pets side, nobody ribs! I love it. And I'm gonna get us Sd Gm and this chicken is clear if he really well who shot up when I get the tattoo, I'm gonna have I'm having a design, something Mayo gale my neck, Syria? Now my I use
Ok that used to call necktie two's job stoppers hand. Tat is, I don't think, that's journey more bs. How many chefs? Do you see tat? You are like podcast hers. I mean people who are tat it up or like young folks. I run my lad entire company. I have a face tat to do get an Anna make more money than you and your dad come. I am boss too bad your dad midst. You know my does driving left now, and he said. Oh, I keep one while these young girls are get my car marina, like you is gonna, kill them yes and be careful with how he brings out the ass. If you see Marty picking up on left Marty Marty think that's all it's off real any say. Languages even has, as I was saying, there's another Warner, there's a little fun thing for for us, based on last week's story on your cue sorry Karen, if I know its July right now, but I think it's never too early. Ok, all right! What is it
Andy Williams, Christmas special, wholly Claudine Lartius first, and this was the one that like was was it there this is the highest ranking television show before he had knocked out by some superbowl young. My eyes is the classics. This is when the Savanna Weekend and watching this that is making do. We say that for Christmas, just now, ok July, Chris, a special event. Thank you.
What do we find someone sent it to us, or did I get? I gotta see of filling a gift, given your now invited to watch it with other now? Are you just qualified, I'm the only one I didn't bring presents for everyone and is shared by these? Oh, you didn't know she got q that you sent them. Do us on our own accord. Oh, I thought you'd like oh. No, no, no friend of events is, does this thing so she sent us is so nice? Oh god, I'm glad I clarified. I want to take responsibility for her yeah. Ok, I'm gonna know I wouldn't by us and we have everything we meet our way out of sync whole house. They have, cat broadcasts. What more do we re at? I am that's all women. We are blast truly bilaterally, truly to relocate me this week, right here, yes, I know now you know students can pay attention zero. This trial, I definitely verse Thea. Yes, he's now we're all back we're all leg.
Were all on again. What's a bummer though, and I think that we have as often as that mine is a real Dahmer. The and I know I hate closing with real bummer yeah, I am something part: that's why we have yeah, that's where we turn it hard hard left in deposit of land. People like when murder broadcasts are a real dumber. They don't know they do yeah. That's the whole point.
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My friend Bridger is the one who told me about it. Paints a hilarious he's, he's very famous on twitter and he's a great writer, and he grew up in Utah. So? He was like. Have you ever heard of this one, and I had never heard, a about, it turns out, there's a forensic files, theirs. Lots of stuff there's an amazing book, but any I ll, just give you I'll, give you what I know so well salt and pepper and SALT Lake City, which is our cause called anything? I'm not gonna call them, because I usually do that. Then I end up giving any ass. I told you so in SALT Lake City, the morning of October, fifteenth nineteen, eighty five, a man named Steve Kristensen, who is a business man, a husband and father of four and ship of the Mormon church. He arrives at his office on the sixth floor of the judge, building in downtown SALT Lake City. One time I did a story that horrible. Why
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