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2020-11-17 | 🔗

My Favorite Murder presents the first episode of I Saw What You Did where Millie and Danielle talk about THE HONEYMOON KILLERS (1970) and HEAVENLY CREATURES (1994), and Danielle's grandmother explains the life lessons we can learn from horror movies.

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but you did is hosted by film expert milly to chair co and film enthusiast and tv writer daniel henderson every tuesday they present you with a double feature covering two movies that share a wild a theme like classic movie fuck boys or blonde women who will ruin your life the theme for this episode entitled esteem dirt bags is favorite films based on true crime and they discuss them of his heavenly creatures and the honeymoon killers less daniels grandma made a special appearance in this episode that already broke the internet with her child rearing advice using horror films as learning tools and on top of all that million daniel bringing much needed female and person of color voice to movie culture in a really fun way such account episode one of i saw what you did right now and go find episode to in the i saw what you did feed you get a new episode presenting a double future every tuesday don't forget to subscribe to i saw what you did on sticker apple podcast spotify or where every listen and you can follow them at
i saw pod on instagram and on twitter good i i everybody welcome too the very first episode of i saw what you did my name is merely to jericho and i'm daniel henderson can we watching a different double feature every week with a wild theme that we choose list legitimize ourselves listen to endear ourselves to you as an audience well i feel its import and that people know that we're like we're friends in real life my word we need other we love each other but if a business arrangement but we were not set up on a date from the podcast bachelor or whatever were real friend we were like met live journal friends
i feel like we ve known each other for way back met in real life and now live in los angeles although you have you have effected for a moment your momentarily elsewhere you're in your see bunker but were excited to do this podcast because i'm a thumb enthusiasm that you are a film expert and we go to the movies all the time and it's a big part of our friendship is to watch movies talk about movies yeah i mean honestly like i think i mean it you want to call me a film expert i'll let you for the sake of this exercise but i will say never want to hang out with other film experts do you know what i'm saying like i'm like why would i do that so i'm so glad that i roped you into doing this podcast with me because i'm like danielle is she's like perfect you like love film but you're not like
you know in that world where you're like will actually clear nineteen thirty the key grip for guenaud blah blah blah you're not male and me every five minutes forgetting like a year wrong for something wait at least i wasn't until we started doing this and now i'm on straight cold now that's why i'm going to be doing this with you as well because it when i say film expert i mean like you're so knowledgeable about film and it's part of your job you're a film programmer for tcm but it's also part of your life so when you talk about movies it's just so enthusiastic and you don't make me feel like oh you ve never watched this will get that i can't talk to you if you ve never watched you know gone with the wind and if you know i'd like that that about oh that's really sweet i'm really glad that you see me like that because i think again going back to sort of like the film person stereotypes like you know i think that
film like music like a lot of things is just an intimidating subject because it's you know spanish course of history its there's a lot going on theirs that has gone on in so it sort of like a thing we're your like and i don't even know i think it's really enjoyable to hang out with people who haven't watched movies movies that i and i'm also not the type of personal trying till i get you to watch a movie like way away words like come on are you stupid like you ve never seen level that i just think that's settlers many reasons why people haven't watched movies i mean there's a lot of movies i haven't watched that would probably shock so many people in my field for me to do your pockets with somebody who more of a cultural critic would say about you i think that you're a writer your doubly a scholar of culture her engender and you know it's just gonna be really interesting to do with you because you're just soap super smart my i mean the sleigh like you
our way more accomplished i'm like oh and written a book to books and you are you know what really well known for your perspective and what you offer so is going to be great light but the good the cool things i'm not wearing pants right now so accomplished or not i am still dirt bag i think is what it comes down to is that we can still be complete dirt bags exactly but being you know esteemed them dirt bag would be a great second name for our pocket but that's also why we're doing this we are we want to make movies accessible to people and make people feel like you know if you've never seen this and let's talk about it it's cool you'll have ways to inaccessible way to get into movies you might not have ever seen or heard of and we just want to help you build up you're you're
i in that way in brittany and build europe the life because your life some of these are fun and we're gonna get into doing that by picking a different theme that we have come up with every week seems you're gonna be sort of formed by our experiences as women our experiences is like movie goers and then just her life experiences and so i want to stress that a lot of times i'm as you're going to counter the pod cason go oh wait a minute what about this movie that's what the point is like we want we're not trying to be exhaustive we're not there's your basically like double features about specific themes that we think are entertaining or funny or to sort of through lines between move is that we have seen over the years and like i said if we want to have a conversation with you if there's something in the theme that you think is like no brainer and you wanna talk about it is something that means something the eu than definitely contact this is what we want and we want this to be like a conversation cell and its also
that we're not white or men we're two brown ladies welcome white men dominate film podcasts let's be real and we wanted to kind of disrupt that a little bit and again prove that films are for everyone that's what we're doing i'm so happy that we're least getting together and talking about movies on this podcast because it's like you know right now i won't tell you i'm i'm living with family and quarantining with family right now and that don't know a damn thing movies like they don't know a damn thing and i'm not again i'm not trying to like paint them as like you know oh man i'm not a snob i'm like the opposite a snob but they don't know shit why you're here living with people who don't even speak your language basically like my mom and dad have blake seven
dvds i think they're there's like seven dvds in a drawer and it's the random shit it's like you know euro trip unlike dark for yeah there's like a el the nicholas cage scorsese movie that was about the ambulance driver like that movie bring out the dead as i would allow my girl i mean i'm like i have no idea why the seven were chosen the latest i mean it's really really bad but it's kind like funny to me because obviously i'm like i don't know how i was born from this ambulance you know but it's you to go harder in the direction of figuring finding stuff out because it was both in the nineties where you had to that there is no internet you had to find out stuff that you're interested in you had you really dig deep
but when you come from a background where you're like none of this is even around me like i don't know any this stuff then of course you go harder at it and like all my like honestly like when it comes down to my parents are like big like they're into cable movies i guess that's better than being cable news but there they watch anything on like a tnt or you think that's all like stars you they're just really into like watching movies that are just randomly on like my dad watched cb four the other day and i was like kind of awesome like what made you want to watch me for i mean i gave now what see before is like my favorite thing i've ever heard thing i've ever heard parents and that is darling so we're darling have to
you're my dad i'm a sea before episode apparently immediately you can talk about it i've kind of an opposite background which will move building into the pot tat goes on but may i was raised by maniacs make my my grandparents and a grandmother loves horror movies and she level are she loves carnage and so my grand and when he died she put his ashes on a shelf in her bedroom behind her saw and hostile dvds bitch watches movies all day long and they are terrifying and disgusting and we're gonna hear we might hear from her later we will occasionally call her up and get her her opinion on it oh my god i cannot wait so basically so the same with this podcast and the way that were introducing and talking to movies and being part of the film community is that each gonna watch a movie every week i we're gonna work
two movies and present them to each other what's the theme this week the themes week is our favorite true crime films list a mile long yes so these are movies that were based in part on actual crimes and again like you said it can be a very long list but these are kind of our fames what did you watch for your true crime so my movie this week is a movie from nineteen seventy directed by a man named leonard castle it's called the honeymoon killers ray was a con man who made one mistake he fell in love and took martha along for the ride an arrange a meeting very nice there is no harm in writing to somebody who so gentle and reason and sister is a nurse ray and martha could have been the honeymoon lovers but martha's insane jealousy them into honeymoon killers so
you ever see this one before no i never seen it until we decided to talk about it and a lot of things stood out to me as pretty fantastic about it a lot of things will get into and talk but i was really pray primarily struck by the lead actress of this film so maybe you can tell us a little bit about why you chose this movie and who she is and what's whereas oh he's done so you know this is one of this actually my favorite films mean you know i have a lot by this one of them so the original is based off of this couple were called the lonely hearts killers their names are martha back in raymond fernandez and they were essentially con artists where they're here o connor was that they relied on this lonely hearts club which is a very
old concept now like now gi tinder oh yeah it was essentially where lonely women would write in write letters to find lonely man and then they get paired up and then they just wrote letters to each other and the what's cool about martha and rays at least in terms of the the movie believe in real life as if they actually have and a very vibrant letter writing life to get like this really fell in love through their there were well that's the whole that's one of the best sequences in the movie is they're sort of like writing letters to each other and there's kind of this buildup and intensity where you know at first they're kind of is like hey how's it gong and then they're like i love you i'm obsessed i you i can't live without you so it becomes this whole like fevered letter writing exchange so essentially the movie was the first movie for leonard castle he wrote it initially then they went to find a director for it and initially the director was martin scorsese
he lasted about two about two weeks apparently he was like spending too much time on the details like he was like panning the river bed or something for too long no yeah i mean he was basically an artist right so they were like like we're spending too much money and too much time doing the shit like we gotta get this we need to get to the murder yeah so they can marty and they brought in letter they like what you wrote eighty miles will direct and he never directive which first of all such seventies move like that guy and then the two actors start started it sure they stole or and totally labianca this was their first film so it's like everybody's first time even though surely and tony had worked in a theater they had never been on film before and the thing about let her castle was that when he took over the direction of it he was basically like buying com i just come out and like sixty eight and this movie was
sixty nine seventy so at the time everybody was obsessed with reno by clyde in this idea that like beautiful worn baby and fade dunaway where these like hot sexy murderers and lower castles like fuck that's like the life onawandah show six see hot people i want to show already rio who are real people who are not you know odd movie stars like we're gonna get some real folks in here will he had the perfect opportunity with this move because martha the character is a mess and i mean physically play he showed that like he shot them in different angles ragged show at the flabby arms and like he meant he really showed like the wood the rio
when it is to be an obsessive love well unlike surely stole or is such an amazing actress i think honestly i mean she is my girl like i am a big fan of her she's she's been a lot of great interesting weird films and her career did a lot of character work she's definitely a protein nurse ratchet oh yeah she gonna has that look she's got the like she kind of has like a divine like she's like a virus like her eyebrows or really intense and she sky has thus slag like coal look to watch the movie opens with her like yelling at people for having been so in film us actually kind of just cuts to a kind of removes a little bit of the backstory between martha and re like individually about the re character doesn't have like the thing we're here it come from spain and left his family to be i'm a corn artist and it does
talk about martha having kids or anything like that so and they lived in different states yes essentially in the film martha is a nurse and she is living in florida fish and she lives with her elderly mother and she's gonna like an and mean and like yelling at people on her job and she doesn't seem happy i guess that's what they're trying to communicate and not only lives with her mother sleeps in a bedroom with her mother yeah they have twin the twin bed situation situation of the s and fifty s i think is the reason a lot of murders happened because now but it was so tense to watch that relationship because you knew they then had to lay down next to each other at night i mean listen an old school thing like i mean i i remember watching episodes of the golden girls where sofia and dorothy slept in the same bed and i was like oh damn like i love my mom but
unless we're on vacation together i ain't trying to sleep in the same bed because i need my space and especially at that moment where she was feeling like you know lonely it was basically like oh i live with my mom and i sleep at the same or with my mom like i have no life so she's obviously kind of feeling some type of way about it but essentially what happens is is that her friend in the film who is played by doris roberts from everybody loves raymond as a lark decides that she is gonna send martha like she's got a sign martha up for a lonely hearts club and arm us and more things like oh shit why did you do this i'm looking for this but then eventually she gets in touch with ray and re is writing others to her and then that's when you see the sequence of the two of them kind of connecting writing letters to each other at cetera and he's all authority or right off the bat what he's got pictures of women on his piano the women he's wooed like he's you you get that solidly that he is
the classic latin lover trope where he's you know kind of with a shirt open in his chest hair hanging out and he's real sexy so they finally meet in real life he comes down to florida and they spend you know a couple of days is together he's wooing both her and her mother have to say and then he leaves and martha is despondent oh he goes back to new york and then he writes her kind of like a deer jane letter that's just like i like you but in ankara to happen and of course she flips little fuck out threatens suicide anyway it louis i caught a gets doris roberts to call him and be leg can you tell them i'm about to kill myself because i just really want like i want a date that was such a creepy scene where she was just sitting on the bed like coaching her friend to do this dirty work of convincing miss man that she was about to kill for him that was like next level like we we feel like we can
safely threatened to kill ourselves over a guy but when i get my friend involved like that is next level psychopathic yeah i mean it is tantamount to like you know posting like a toddy picture of yourself on instagram would be like yo like you know pay attention to attention to me that want to day but basically schuman and works all at worked in this case i define fine new york so he's like here's the deal i call on lonely middle aged women for money maybe you maybe not i tried it with you apparently it didn't work because now you're here and this is who i am i love that distinguishes like you know what solid she's like fun let's do it together it's like i don't care and he's like what she sees me i guess this is meant to be or what and that is something about this movie that that hit me over like right away and overarching theme is is this idea of obsessive nests and i don't think
came through in the movie very strongly that he was obsessed with her i think in real life he was but definitely came from her that she was willing to do anything for this particular man well i think that that's the theme of the film is that the film is about lonely women right lonely women who are willing to just fuckin go their fur companionship she was like like ok like i'm down with this and i'll be not only that but i will be your accomplice and i will help you swindle these women even though i was potentially a victim of your girl on girl crime right so she's like
so then eventually she's like i'm on board let me go back down the florida get my moment a nursing home so i don't have to do with her anymore i'm already drugged her so we can have six i've already sleeping pills her to the matter i am i'm a nurse southern exponential hugging people so that end and of course the mother is like you know you're leaving me and to be happy and that's all you know it's very complicated and i was also a different a different time in something that struck me as it was expected for women to first give up there for for and then give up their their lives for family sure in every capacity and her mom is like legit hanging out a window like i can't believe you leaving me like i could not be laying on a thicker gail trip yeah and she's like in order for me to live my life i have to mary a con man and become a murderer to eventually what happens is is that she leaves mom and then she starts going on the road with ray and you know ray is continuing to you know do
scam which is that he's answering his letters from his lonely old women in a war writing in and out the say lake their victims during this entire section of the film are their tipp there like what i would consider kind of like that middle america these are all like middle aged white women who are into jesus and the united states and they are patriotic and they're just kind of like the these are women who are so happy that they sing the national anthem in the bathtub which was something that rocks me more than the murders when i saw that bitch in that tub scrubbed her back and singing about the purple mountains majesty i was like what is actually happening right now and i was like i don't even know if i've been ever tht no i don't ever been unhappy worm like sing in the national anthem ever yeah
less than a turbo shower that's true that's not the height of happiness and is also not like the first song i go to whenever i'm just like in the shower whatever during like a napkin coal or in any way the as it so what happens is that which like as is these scams are unfolding like she's like is posing as his sister so they're going to different towns meeting up with these only women and the vibe is that he's just gonna like romance them until they sign their insurance checks or they give them to give him cash from their bank accounts and then he's gone or they're gone so why this is happening like martha is gone i know i was on board with this but man it is hard to see the dude that i love and would have killed myself for be with other women i know that he is telling me all i need only mention the me and i'm not having sex with them even though see seven sex with them like all of them
and she is just slowly becoming unglued and you know as i'm reading the actual crime it seemed like that was happening too but i think for the movie purposes it became this whole like what's gonna happen when martha finally flips the fuck out on this situation that she's in now where she's basically told herself in order to be with us god and i'm gonna have to run this scam and pretend to be read not in love with them and there's a scene my favorite seen actually the scheme that will one of the two seems that square says the actually shot which is the scene of the lake he's with one of his new women and like they're both in these in suits you know like tony lo bianco is like a
little cut a tall short with these tiny shorts and he's got hair everywhere and he's just i do push ups on the banks of the river and shit like you know and then his his new woman the woman from the services like she's like an older woman but she's very you know she's attractive and in she's wearing this bang suit and then you see martha so said mare in a row because lord knows it's vulnerable to being a bathing suits especially we win her size where she was feeling like kind of my right about the way she walked and then you watching your man coordinate with some other woman innovating sooner in the river like you know split for each other and she's just like lose
like her i should say whatever and it's like sectors that moment where i was a man is there anything lonelier than that like us are anything lonelier than watching like your career crusher guy hanging out with some other girl in bathing suits then maybe you are having a debating so you don't want to be in a magazine so you're stroll she did the next natural thing which is to threaten to drown herself and then re you know it's where his time he is to go get her and you know i think at that moment you really realize okay well maybe they are in it together because at first i was kind of like oh he's taking this woman for a ride again but then i'm like no he cares right so if it is the very thing he cares because she is on to him and will bust his ass for running these scams like they're in it together now to turn back but then she's the one who kind of goes to the murder moment right like she's the one who kind of goes to like i'm going to put this lady on a bus
and give her pills and get her out of our life and i don't care what happens to her mind was that was kind of a sadness that i was feeling in this in this movie which is that it's so sad that these women were being swindled so much and all they really wanted with attention and care and love like that was said here i mean this is kind of like i mean this is this is really what makes a movie kind of a good marina me and what makes emotional is because it's like you know similarly this is a story about a woman and who is just desperate for connection and she basically just like we'll do it at any cost and you know and the weird about this movie is that there is kind of like no one to root for at the end of the day because eventually she becomes completely complicit even though you're like okay i understand why she's doing this she's doing it because she's fucked up about love right but at the same time you're like now you drowned a kid yeah and then
now you you i only know the hammer at a later with a hammer and drowned or kid and like you so you're in it and like whatever mental jump that you had to take to go there makes you not likeable right but i also think that that is interesting that she's not likeable because there's no happy ending tenure this site that you know these in real life these people were convicted of these murders and then they die on the electric chair they were you know killed or their crimes yes oh that's a thing that there is no happy ending and you know that's what i think is great about the film is that it doesn't protect tend to be happy it's just like area they are as bad as they are hand there is no love it's just like their adorable people on at the end it also kind of feels like a very nice point of departure from a lot of true crime films because not trying i don't we feel that the victims were that sympathetic and a lot of ways like them i think they deserve to die but i think that
there's some of them are a little annoying in a little media in a little clawing and a little bit much ram so i can see how again the representation of the film is that this is something to be wary of as a woman like don't be too much because a man might kill you let us say it is another interesting part of it for sure because you know it is sort of like you wonder i mean there's a absolute stereotype of us lonely middle age spinster who is annoying and who is who is not here now soft in gentle and there you know their weird and when the hokey none of these women seem to be culturally acceptable right so i get these women have benefited now it been completely fine for them to be a mere own to not have ado to like live their lives they wouldn't have to have the twin bed situation with their mom vague but this there were not cultural acceptable within the moment in because they wanted to much are they want something different in s interesting to me grimmer true crime perspective for short yeah but
you know as a movie i mean it's great like i think it's a jam honestly i feel like it doesn't get talked about enough on its own criterion collection so there is a really great you know copy of it out there there's lots of great extra on that i think it's on humbly ray but you know it's it's such a great film in its it's against very unique in the thence that it was made at a certain time it was made by like it was the first films were privileged everybody involved and it you know really is kind of like a greedy raw sort of fucked up with aids savage it's where those movies that i kind of i want even though i'm just seeing it now for the first time at forty two i young women to watch this movie and to realize that again taking the leap into murder to realize that your
is valid and it's hard to at it's hard to be out in the world and it's hard to want things and like it's hard to have these these emotions but to kind of see this real ordinary women i think it's important foundationally for girls to see that like to see complicated messy women well speaking of complicated messy women speaking of obsession list about your movie for this week movie this week is heavenly creatures directly by peter jackson tall young girls living in all of imagination i'm going to the fourth world it's an absolute paradise is music art and pure join what they shared was a secret your daughter's behaving in a rather disturbed she done i think i'm going crazy
the crime that shocked the nation people die every day the basque people fight against all obstacles she's anew so this may be came at an ancient before directed by peter jackson it was being on a real life case that been in christchurch new zealand it's the perker hume murder and the details of the cap is that sixteen year old pauline parker and her fifteen year old e g whom basically conspired kill her mom when they couldn't they found that juliet's family was moving and would be separating them from each other and they succeeded in doing that juliet they put a brick in a stocking and best your mom and the head on a walk and then ran
into the street and kind of got attention and they were hoping it would be seen as an accident that they could write off and they could be together and when the hollywood become these famous in a movie actresses because they and they are teenagers but they legitimately murdered her her mom what ended up happening is that both both them more found guilty they both served five year sentence but a condition their release is that they were ordered to never be in contact with each other again which seems like something i definitely want to talk about it seems almost almost impossible know but it's in a weird way it's the reason this movie comes across to me as like so romantic any does stick to the real story pretty closely even juliet has since said that they didn't have a sexual relationship and that was definitely part the movie but what really gets to me about this and what i thought match our theme really well is that it's not just a true crime it's a crime
i am about a romantic relationship in a different way sure surely sexual if not purely a purely sexual relationship and it still a very deeply romantic relationship and its based in kind of frenzy that a lot of us feel it was the young women when we're forming friendships awesome we're very romantic even again if they never become sexual so i think that there is some thing to be said about the fact that they get together but then also how they bond is very interesting because this is again nineteen fifty is crucial church museum in all girl school there
kind of precocious in different ways and i think that pauline is a little more insular with her ferociousness and juliet's very outspoken which i feel like has to do with class but that completely well because it is a very classic movie is a class based movie i've got julie and her grand mansion and her running swallowing around the field with her long dresses and then you've got pauline living in the middle of the city with her family and they run a boarding house trains me and her dad works is like a fishmonger so it is very class as well for sure but there was something about not just the frenzy so they kind of bond over the idea or the knowledge that their both sick so they're both sitting out and jim class and are asked each other why and basically do
the historical with tuberculosis polina struggled with ask you my life s which is a bone bone sickness and when the best lines and moving on so we got first of all its the actresses are incredibly got melanie linsky very young but like clearly showing some of the incredible range she has to this day and this is kate windless first movie she done television before this but never done film so we ve got these kind of origin is you know in their country is other bonding over this the sickness connection that they have and they're kind of they're sitting on this bench and at in flip says after they discover what each of their illnesses are kate winslet says all the best people have bad chests and bone diseases which is just such an incredible way to think about like drawing power from your biggest flaw like that would definitely be on some instagram quite
that is for sure hilarious to me that like they they burn in this way and then and there they take off their death an inseparable from day one a frenzy to this but there is also such an incredible fantasy life and there very childlike in this way whether fantasy life with each other is built in this world were merry alonzo serenading them and hurry now have on the hoof gonna tell you like like it's so funny because i'm like it's this weird moment like where you watch like forty usually bodies and fifty movies like pre rock and roll almost where your like all people
with mario lanza like teen teenagers went crazy for mario lanza there's a lot of rending of garments yeah like they're like running around town like kissing posters of mario lanson i'm kind of like damn that is fucking crazy just a normal dude like he looks like it looks like a normal guy listen no disrespect to mr lanza but like his move like we play you know i've seen a lot of his films in the past and it's like a lot of like blah blah blah and i'm like wow it's a lot like have to watch more than one in a row it's a lot but they loved it they were love wrong they're strong on it like running through the woods tearing their clothes off sprung and so there is there's again this connection in both of these films to this like this idea of being possessive of each other versus being possessed by each other and theirs definitely this moment in heavenly creatures that goes from you know why
together everything is great we have this we ve created this entire fantasy world together we can exist outside of the boundaries of what we know and in there they're torn apart and and it becomes quickly goes from i want to die to i want to kill wow and that interesting to me well okay so there the whole idea is that they're just sort of like obsessed with being around each other and it becomes clear like there's a part of the film where kate winless character because i he's the other thing i found really heartbreaking about the to of them is because they absolutely trauma bonded because of their sickness right and k will winfil character in particular i think because she was rich and had rich parents
were the types that were like you're sick we're gonna send you away to like tropical environment so you can get over your whatever and then we'll just leave you there they kept saying that well we're just as good for your health so for this go for your health and it's like well being a negligent parent is not good for my health so let's start at the foundation of that and i know that that was a thing a lot more than it is now i mean now you can't even imagine that kind of stuff it's like but you know back in the days where like you had tuberculosis like that where they're like you're going to an asylum and we're leaving you there like until for months until you get better so she was like us really she was very she was lonely and i think that's white and the two of them being sick like that i think is what caused them to overrun invested each other so they get the point where kate winslet's character actually does to get tb and essentially needs to recover and there's this whole achieve
events where her father ass to walkways job and then they get divorced and basically she's like you're gonna like the families that you're moving to south africa because you need to get for your hair but also we don't want to deal with you so by that point it was very much the parents had stepped in and were like this friendship is too much oh yeah by that time the parents were like they are lesbians we need to handle it in the nineteen fifties way that we handle lesbian would like you're going to africa yeah i'm sending this white girl to africa we dealt with for being a lesbian we will eventually give you electro shock treatment as we think that homosexuality is a disease for the parents were kind of the catalyst for for the the kind of extreme trauma coming to the surface i think watch is that they were fine when together with hard for pauline win juliet was
gone getting this treatment for tuberculosis for tuberculosis for a few months but they ve had a friend if they were writing letters they still have their fantasy life so it was a threat of being permanently dislodged from each other that brought this kind of madness to the surface more for pauline than it did for juliet juliet was very upset but pauline was instantly just like the way through this is to kill my mom cause she's the obstacle here right because the parroting styles i filmmaker different also if he class baseboard incidents that you know you know to kate winslet characters parents or like you do have a lucky one in fact we don't even want to see you we're sending you away to other countries whereas melanie on his parents were like hard core i want to know where you are at all times let me tell you a little house she can't even get a passport is a good sign for yes she was really stuck so i think that it makes sense to me that she would go to this murder what is pushing like the mom was too overbearing and you know who she was
brooding i think she was normally i think in her real life she was brooding just what you saw the real life ross of her and she would look pissed off it's kind of incredible that the attention to detail was movies didn't ask again because there is a photo polly in parker a school photo where everyone cunning looking at the cameron smiling in their school uniforms and she is like arms crossed head down hair phrases scowling lay she's not here for any part of it and they got that so right and i think you know kate winds of obviously went on to have this incredibly us huge after winning career but melanie linsky is incredible stash the pauline my girl let's get serious i did like a dark haired frizzy ass my i'll be had a hair and then photo where she just like the whole schools look it up will smiling she's i'm boom like looked on the ground she like that's a girl
my own heart like i love it that in the movie starts that we have one thing in the inner closer walk with the thing in their songs she's dislike staring at she's at all she's that got one per shore i love it but i think that there is something to be said about the fear of female sexuality in this movie in the fear of a women coming together and young girls especially people freak out when young girls figure out their emotional life now in this movie was again because directed by a dude by peter jackson was even more impressive to me for that i think so too actually i mean not to say that i don't think peter jackson is a sensitive person or would understand the nuance of women but i think he really mail like you really figured out a way to communicate their a mutual obsession with each other without make yet some we're like sex seem yeah routinely
being thing you don't owe me mean i just feel like like not another teen lesbian movie style like comedy you know like a man telling a story of these two women i think could be certainly go in that direction and but he but he really did a great job and yeah you know so much tenderness there and i think that the because may be part of it is that the small facet a small facet of the movie that it's really about building up the fantasy that really but building up what their with world they were living and i thought he tapped into that really well and they were doing this they were they were kind of like writing this story throughout the film like you know they were obviously very interested in like writing in literature in history and then they were kind of like acting out the rules ship between our two characters in their story which is like a man and a woman they're kind of like pretending to be the the couple any kind of you know workin that out for themselves which i thought was really enter
students like oji fan fiction about each other yeah like they were the actors in their own fan fiction or something it was kind of amazing yeah as pretty cool definitely i think it as far as true crime goes we need more true crime movies about women who kill independent of men yeah and we also need more indepth looks at i mean i remember being a teenager and being like i could have committed a murder when i was a teenager yeah i had a i could have had a list of any one of the kids in the hall had been like you should kill that i been like holy you got it yeah you're so keyed up at that age you know what i mean and it's like and also too like i remember like i didn't so i thought this movie before recording i had seen maybe one i was in college and it
hold up so well that if such a it's such a fuckin good movie and i was like really surprised because as you know is hidden differently now that i'm a dollar zero like oh yeah this is different like one oh if i had walked just when i was a kid i would have been like oh my god this is my life nobody can ever tell me what to do it's like yeah of course they did of course they did all this stuff and you know they're she's not get on that ship i gotta do something about this but you know now i'm like i'm sure i appreciate that it is like a wimps into that type of relationship and yet another word you know like your friends or everything when you're that age i mean any point of connection matters more than in any point of connection matters yeah i'm so glad you picked that when we met i i think this this is a good mix it's like different types of herman different types of session and obsessiveness but like definitely
crime people i hear me doing some crimes they are doing those true cleaves the leather gloves murdering people with a brick also please tell me what was the caliber of the pantyhose that they had back then that they could put a brick in it because if i look at a pair of panty hose right now i got a run yeah i was thinking at too i was like that's some hardcore like postworld war
two pantyhose amassed yes yes i'm pure silk and like didn't come from the eggs didn't it there was no legs eggs tat it owes this was like the hard core stop that like day you know when the war happens like be ran out of for something as they make ships out of it or some shit i don't know i don't know history folks of here can it not to colonel bad but no other work omitted to fanny holdings spain should be honest if like slang should be advertising would have thought of a pair of well i'm in an hour be exactly at is always you know if you want to talk to us but your favorite your crime films or anything really you can email ass i saw it you did pottage imelda com and i hear from you we will read it and we we recommend that you do not kill your mother recommend that you don't kill anyone that's right we got a little time at the end where we like to kind of throwing the third section is always gonna conor rotate so one week we're gonna probably have some body
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or you know my mom's an older lady like you know close to seventy and all of a sudden i come in the room and she was watching it chapter two and i'm like what are you talking about she never seen it one she doesn't even know anything about stephen king so i'm a little confused by this and i just like sitting here thinking i almost texted you deal because i was like what is up with like older women getting in horror movies and it was something i wanted to ask you because grandma is like famously into horror and i was hoping you could tell people about that because it's awesome is is she isn t the known maniac she he i think there is some kind of connection between the frustration women must feel and must have felt throughout the decades and not having outlets for those feeling so just watching people get merkt kind of became like the thing that made them feel good
made of my own dear all the years of being repressed now they want to see murders happier though i cannot just kill some people so i can relax can i see one murder so i can go to bed but there is something to make my grandma was she has told me that you know she she's loved horror films and she was a little kid and she always love you like the creature from the black lagoon and kind of all the old school ones but in his aunt and supplied as she's got an older you do you think that it would be something that kind of hits a peak but grandma has seen audition i have not don't worry about it she watches the walking dead every sunday when it's on like the new seasons are on is walking don t shirts she had her whole arsenal of movies in her house are all horror films and she
she loves you and she who and that is the most bizarre is that she laughs or ass off at them she delights in horror movies and so i occasionally reach out and kind of ask her you know some thoughts about and we are lucky enough that you recorded some of it yeah i say every week we still talk about it routinely and i will occasionally come come through with some recordings of my grandma this winter from a few years ago where i basically was just having a conversation with her about why why horror why and why use it as a tool of instruction for children why didn't you really thus with our movie will you play that right now please yes listen to you to my grandmother's and put out these films do you remember making me watch halloween yeah that was good yeah was not good it was scary and i used to tell you kids this is just a movie you ve been doing
the arrow clear who's gonna want you you got a lot to you always you're writing a right now saying out terrified we were his kids to watch horror movies my kids school up on that bobby today he loves so safe wait you're telling me that having kids watch horror movies is a great tool of pain aren't you sir it certainly is making things worse about do a lot of things they wanted because they think that things were said to me you think about walking in the woods going home your mom must tell you to walk in those boys no get the hell out of those i think is it good
of training is certainly is to is you think oh my god gary this is wrong with you issues like those those horror movie frazier marries praising well run it always young women jockey by themselves as you know no standing here and there so many it's a shame answered a shame your body nor my should tell to procure more you understand right now you read about in the paper someone got great terror there now look at the eventual gary and life whether everywhere you go carry a little secret life right there and it's on the cut is to take it to
it is something as yours now i'm telling you sometimes out so but the thing is is like women shouldn't feel they have to run with knives always retiring medication re people around here that's not the world today when do you think they should do why shouldn't do that led the world today carrier like cut his throat let him think about being cut before he put his ear die you can grab a knife cut his through i mean he's lying i then it should be on a t shirt justice engine biodiversity i fear i love your grandma life was raised by her let us make sure that that is part of the complex nature of this is the person before its
the advice she gave me regularly i mean you and asked for anything better than truly usual oh yeah i mean it's like she said mike i love that she's just so emphatic about you know her boy you sitting here because i have not the shit man she's not rob she's not wrong she raised that she wanted to raise the kind of woman who would take no shit and would not be fearful in this world and she succeeded in that but did it in the weirdest fucking way thanks you daniels grandma for making daniel but i must say you have more clips and wool will ya it will do this every so often in neo have like other grandma's nuggets of wisdom to bring horror i am not i just want to hear her more so definitely have i have recordings and i will continue to record her with her permission
yeah she's she she comes up with this stuff all day every day at last we she was telling us that she wanted a states having with my brother she told us you wanted a full sleep tattoo it is never ends it never ends and i will catch as much of it is possible maybe try to get on your grandma's level my address is i saw what you did pod edge email dot com you can also find us on twitter and instagram at i saw pod so that i as a w p o day and the next week going too well anyway what let's give em nea was given the movies and let them guess the themes you can you can tweet at us sir to read more what have you but will give you the movies and then you guess what the themes gonna be me with you from two thousand one and walking talking from ninety ninety six what are being what's our theme what's our theme go ahead and get them go ahead and get
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