My Favorite Murder presents the first episode of I Saw What You Did where Millie and Danielle talk about THE HONEYMOON KILLERS (1970) and HEAVENLY CREATURES (1994), and Danielle's grandmother explains the life lessons we can learn from horror movies.
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The very first episode of I saw what you did. My name is merely to Jericho and I'm Daniel Henderson
Can we watching a different double feature every week with a wild theme that we choose list?
legitimize ourselves, listen to endear ourselves to you as an audience. Well, I feel its import
and that people know that we're like we're friends in real life. My word we need other. We love each other
but if a business arrangement, but we were not set up on a date from the podcast bachelor or whatever- were
real friend we were like met live journal friends.
I feel like we ve known each other for way back met in real life and now
live in LOS Angeles, although you have you have effected for a moment, your momentarily elsewhere, you're in your see bunker, but were excited to do this podcast, because I'm a thumb, enthusiasm that you are a film expert and we go to the movies all the time and it's a big part of our friendship is to watch movies. Talk about movies yeah, I mean honestly, like I think I mean it.
you want to call me a film expert I'll, let you for the sake of this exercise, but I will say
never want to hang out with other film experts. Do you know what I'm saying like I'm like? Why would I do that? So I'm so glad that I roped you into doing this podcast with me, because I'm like Danielle is she's like
perfect. You like love film, but you're, not like
you know in that world, where you're like, will actually clear nineteen thirty, the key grip for Guenaud blah blah blah you're, not
male and me every five minutes, forgetting like a year wrong for something
Wait. At least I wasn't until we started doing this and now I'm on straight cold,
now. That's why I'm going to be doing this.
with you as well, because it when I say film expert, I mean
like you're, so knowledgeable about film and it's part of your job you're a film programmer for TCM, but it's also part of your life. So when you talk about movies,
it's just so enthusiastic and you don't make me feel like
Oh you ve, never watched! This will get that. I can't talk to you if you ve, never watched, you know gone with the wind and if you know I'd like that,
that about. Oh, that's, really, sweet! I'm really glad that you see me like that because I think again going.
back to sort of like the film person stereotypes like you know. I think that
film, like music, like a lot of things, is just an intimidating subject because it's you know spanish
course of history, its there's a lot going on theirs
that has gone on in so it sort of like a thing we're your like.
and I don't even know, I think it's really enjoyable to hang out with
people who haven't watched movies movies that I and I'm also not the type of-
personal trying till I get you to watch a movie like way away. Words like come on. Are you stupid, like you, ve, never seen level that I just think that's settlers.
many reasons why people haven't watched movies, I mean there's a lot of movies. I haven't watched that would probably shock so many people in my field for me,
to do your pockets with somebody who more of a cultural critic,
would say about you. I think that you're, a writer, your doubly a scholar of culture,
her engender and you know it's just
gonna, be really interesting to do with you, because you're just soap super smart, my I mean
the sleigh like you
our way more accomplished, I'm like.
oh and written a book to books, and you are, you know
what really well known for your perspective and what you offer so is going to be great light, but the good the cool things
I'm not wearing pants right now so accomplished or not. I am still
dirt bag, I think, is what it comes down to is that we can still be complete dirt bags. Exactly, but being you know, esteemed them dirt bag would be a great second name for our pocket. But that's also, why we're doing this? We are. We want to make movies accessible to people and make people feel like you know if you've never seen this and let's talk about it, it's cool you'll have ways to
inaccessible way to get into movies. You might not have ever seen or heard of, and we just want to help you build up you're, you're
I in that way in Brittany and build Europe the life, because your life, some of these, are fun and we're gonna, get into doing that by picking a different theme that we have come up with every week seems you're gonna be sort of
formed by our experiences as women.
our experiences is like movie goers and then just her life experiences, and so I want to stress that a lot of times
I'm as you're going to counter the pod Cason. Go, oh wait a minute! What about this movie? That's what the point is like. We want we're, not trying to be exhaustive. We're not there's your basically like double
features about specific themes that we think are
entertaining or funny or to sort of through lines between move
is that we have seen over the years and, like I said,
if we want to have a conversation with you, if there's something in the theme that you think is like
no brainer, and you wanna talk about. It is something that means something the EU than definitely contact
This is what we want and we want this to be like a conversation cell and its also
that we're not white or men
we're two brown. Ladies welcome white men dominate film podcasts, let's be real and we wanted to kind of disrupt that a little bit and again prove that films are for everyone
That's what we're doing, I'm so happy that we're least getting together and talking about movies on this podcast, because it's like you, know,
right now. I won't tell you, I'm I'm living with family and quarantining with family right now and
That don't know a damn thing
movies like they don't know a damn thing and I'm not again, I'm not trying to like paint
them as like you know, oh man, I'm not a snob, I'm like the opposite, a snob, but.
They don't know shit. Why you're here
living with people who don't even speak your language, basically like my mom and dad, have Blake seven
dvds. I think they're there's like seven dvds in a drawer and it's the
random shit. It's like
you, know, euro trip
unlike dark for yeah there's like a
EL, the Nicholas Cage, Scorsese movie that was about the ambulance driver like that movie, bring out the dead. As I would allow my girl,
I mean I'm like. I have no idea why,
The seven were chosen,
The latest I mean it's really really bad.
but it's kind like funny to me because, obviously, I'm like
I don't know how I was born from this ambulance. You know, but it's,
you to go harder in the direction of figuring finding stuff out because it was
both in the nineties, where you had to that there is no internet, you had to find out stuff that you're interested in you had you really dig deep,
but when you come from a background where you're like none of this is even around me, like I don't know any this stuff, then of course you go harder at it
and like all my like honestly, like when it comes down to my parents, are like big,
like they're into cable movies. I guess that's better than being,
cable news, but there they
watch anything on like a TNT or
you think, that's all like stars. You
they're, just really into like watching movies that are just randomly on. Like my dad watched CB four the other day- and I was like kind of awesome like what made you want to watch me, for I mean I gave
Now what see before is like?
my favorite thing, I've ever heard thing. I've ever heard parents, and that is darling, so we're darling have to
you're, my dad, I'm a sea before episode, apparently immediately you can talk about it. I've kind of an opposite background which will move building into the pot. Tat goes on, but may I was raised by maniacs make my my grandparents and
a grandmother, loves horror movies and she level are she loves carnage, and so my grand
and when he died, she put his ashes on a shelf in her bedroom behind her saw and hostile dvds.
Bitch watches movies all day long and they are terrifying and disgusting and we're gonna hear we might hear from her later. We will occasionally call her up and get her her opinion on it. Oh my god, I cannot wait so basically, so the same with this podcast,
and the way that were introducing and talking to movies and being part of the film community is that
each gonna watch a movie every week I we're gonna work,
two movies and present them to each other. What's the theme this week, the themes week is our favorite. True crime, films list a mile long. Yes,
So these are movies that were based in part on actual crimes and again, like you said it can be a very long list, but these are kind of our fames. What did you watch for your true crime? So my movie this week is a movie from nineteen seventy directed by a man named Leonard Castle. It's called the honeymoon killers. Ray was a con man who made one mistake. He fell in love and took Martha along for the ride, an arrange, a meeting very nice.
there is no harm in writing to somebody who so gentle and reason
and sister is a nurse ray and Martha could have been the honeymoon lovers, but Martha's insane jealousy.
them into honeymoon killers, so
you ever see this one before no, I never seen it until we decided to talk about it and a lot of things.
stood out to me as pretty fantastic about it. A lot of things will get into and talk
but I was really pray.
Primarily struck by the lead actress of this film.
So maybe you can tell us a little bit about why you chose this movie and who she is and what's, whereas
oh he's done so you know this is one of this
Actually, my favorite films mean you know. I have a lot by this
one of them, so the original is based off of this couple.
Were called the lonely hearts killers. Their names are Martha.
back in Raymond Fernandez, and they were essentially con artists where they're here,
O Connor was that
They relied on this lonely hearts club, which is a very
old concept. Now, like now gi tinder, oh yeah, it was essentially where lonely women would write in write. Letters to find
lonely man and then they get paired up, and then they just wrote letters to each other and the
What's cool about Martha and rays, at least in terms of the the movie,
believe in real life as if they actually have
and a very vibrant letter writing life. To get like this,
really fell in love through their there were well, that's the whole. That's one of the best.
Sequences in the movie is they're sort of, like writing letters to each other and there's kind of this buildup and intensity, where you know at first they're kind of is like hey, how's it gong and then they're. Like I love you, I'm obsessed, I you, I can't live without you, so it becomes this whole. Like fevered letter,
writing exchange so essentially
The movie was the first movie for Leonard Castle. He wrote it initially, then they went to find a director for it, and initially the director was Martin Scorsese,
He lasted about two about two weeks.
Apparently, he was like spending too much time on the details like he was like panning.
the river bed or something for too long, no yeah, I mean he was basically an artist right, so they were like, like we're spending too much money and too much time doing the shit like we gotta get this. We need to get to the murder yeah, so they
CAN Marty and they brought in letter. They like what you wrote. Eighty miles will direct and he never directive which first of all such
seventies move like that guy and then
the two actors start started, it sure
they stole or and totally labianca. This was their first film. So it's like everybody's first time, even though
Surely, and Tony had worked in a theater. They had never been on film before and the thing about
Let her castle was that when he took over the direction of it he was basically like buying com.
I just come out and like sixty eight and this movie was
sixty nine seventy. So, at the time everybody was obsessed with Reno by Clyde in this idea that, like beautiful, worn, baby and fade Dunaway where these, like hot,
sexy murderers and lower castles like fuck. That's like the life Onawandah show six
see hot people. I want to show already Rio, who are real.
people who are not? You know,
Odd movie stars like we're gonna, get some real folks in here. Will he had the perfect
opportunity with this move,
The character is a mess, and I mean physically
play. He showed that, like he shot them in different angles, ragged show at the flabby arms and like he meant he really showed like the wood. The Rio
when it is to be an obsessive love. Well, unlike surely stole or is such an amazing actress, I think honestly, I mean she is my girl, like I am a big fan of her she's she's, been a lot of great interesting, weird films and her career did a lot of character, work she's. Definitely a protein nurse ratchet oh yeah. She gonna has that look. She's got the like. She kind of has like a divine like she's, like a virus like her.
eyebrows or really intense, and she sky has thus slag like coal
look to watch. The movie opens with her like yelling at people for having been so in
actually kind of just cuts to a kind of removes a little bit of the backstory between Martha and RE. Like individually about
The re character
doesn't have like the thing we're here.
it. Come from Spain and left his family to be
I'm a corn artist and it does
talk about Martha having kids or anything like that. So and they lived in different states. Yes, essentially in the film Martha is a nurse and she is living in Florida, fish and she lives with her elderly mother and she's gonna like an
and mean and like yelling, at people on her job and she doesn't seem happy. I guess that's what they're trying to communicate and not only lives with her mother sleeps in a bedroom with her mother yeah they have twin the twin bed
situation, situation of the s and fifty s I think
is the reason a lot of murders happened because
now, but it was so tense to watch that relationship
because you knew they then had to lay down next to each other. At night I mean listen, an old school thing. Like I mean I,
I remember, watching episodes of the golden girls where Sofia and Dorothy,
slept in the same bed, and I was like oh damn like
I love my mom, but
unless we're on vacation. Together, I ain't trying to sleep in the same bed, because I need my space and especially at that moment where she was feeling like you know, lonely.
It was basically like. Oh, I live with my mom and I sleep at the same or with my mom like I have no life, so she's, obviously kind of feeling some type of way about it. But essentially what happens is is that her
friend in the film who is played by Doris Roberts from
everybody loves Raymond.
as a lark decides that she is gonna. Send Martha like she's, got a sign Martha up for a lonely, hearts club
us and more things like oh shit. Why did you do this? I'm looking for this, but then eventually she gets in touch with
ray and re is writing.
others to her and then that's when you see the sequence of the two of them kind of connecting writing letters to each other at Cetera and he's all authority or right off the bat. What he's got pictures of women on his piano? The women he's wooed. Like he's you, you get that solidly that he is
the classic Latin lover trope, where he's you know kind of with a shirt open in his chest, hair hanging out and he's real sexy, so they finally meet in real life. He comes down to Florida and they spend you know a couple of days.
he's wooing both her and her mother have to say, and then he leaves and Martha is despondent,
Oh, he goes back to New York and then he writes her kind of like a deer Jane letter. That's just like I like you, but in Ankara to happen, and of course she flips little fuck out threatens suicide anyway. It Louis I caught a gets Doris Roberts to call him and be leg.
Can you tell them I'm about to kill myself, because I just really want like I want a date that was such a creepy scene, where she was just sitting on the bed like coaching her friend to do this dirty work of convincing,
Miss man that she was about to kill
for him. That was like next level like we, we feel like we can
safely threatened to kill ourselves over a guy, but when I get my friend involved like that is next level psychopathic yeah I mean it is tantamount to like you know, posting like a toddy picture of yourself on Instagram would be like YO. Like you know,
pay attention to attention to me that
want to day, but basically Schuman and works all at worked. In this case I define fine New York, so he's like here's the deal.
I call on lonely. Middle aged women for money.
Maybe you maybe not. I tried it with you. Apparently it didn't work because now you're here- and this is who I am
I love that distinguishes like you know what solid she's like fun
Let's do it together. It's like. I don't care and he's like what she sees me. I guess
this is meant to be or what- and that is something about this movie- that that hit me over like right away and overarching theme is. Is this idea of obsessive nests and I don't think
came through in the movie very strongly that he was obsessed with her
I think, in real life. He was but definitely came,
from her that she was willing to do anything for this particular man. Well, I think that that's the theme of the film is that the film is about,
Lonely women right
lonely women who are willing to just fuckin go their fur companionship. She was like, like ok, like I'm,
down with this and I'll, be not only that, but I will be your accomplice and I will help you swindle these women
even though I was potentially a victim of your girl on girl crime right. So she's like
So then, eventually she's like I'm on board, let me go back down the Florida get my moment a nursing home, so I don't have to do with her anymore. I'm already drugged her, so we can have six I've already sleeping pills her to the matter. I am I'm a nurse southern exponential hugging people so that end and of course the mother is like you know, you're leaving me and to be happy and that's all you know it's very complicated, and I was also a different a different time in something,
that struck me as it was expected for women to first give up there
for for and then give up their their lives for family sure in every capacity and her mom is like legit.
hanging out a window like, I can't believe you leaving me like. I could not be laying on a thicker Gail Trip, yeah and she's like in order for me to live my life. I have to Mary
a con man and become a murderer to eventually what happens is is that she leaves mom and then she starts going on the road with Ray
and you know, Ray is continuing to you- Know- do
scam, which is that he's answering his letters from his lonely old women in a war writing in and out the say lake their victims-
during this entire section of the film are their Tipp there, like what
I would consider kind of like that Middle America. These are all like
middle aged white women who are into Jesus and the United States, and they are patriotic and they're just kind of like the
these are women who are so happy that they
sing the national anthem in the bathtub, which
was something that rocks me more than the murders. When I saw that bitch in that tub, scrubbed her back and singing about the Purple mountains majesty, I was like what is actually happening right now and I was like I don't even know if I've been ever tht. No, I don't
ever been unhappy worm
like sing in the national anthem ever yeah
less than a turbo shower. That's true! That's not the height of happiness and is also not like the first song I go to whenever I'm just like in the shower whatever, during like a napkin coal or in any way the as it. So what happens is that which, like, as is these scams, are unfolding like she's like
is posing as his sister, so they're going to
different towns. Meeting up with these only women and the vibe is that he's just gonna like romance them until they sign their insurance checks or they give them to give him cash from their bank accounts and then he's gone or they're gone
so why this is happening like Martha is gone.
I know I was on board with this, but man. It is hard to see the dude that I love and would have killed myself for be with other women
I know that he is telling me all. I need only mention the me and I'm not having sex with them, even though see seven sex with them like all of them,
and she is just slowly becoming unglued and you know
as I'm reading the actual crime. It seemed like that was happening too, but I think for the movie purposes, it became this whole like what's gonna
happen when Martha finally flips the fuck out on this situation that she's in now, where she's, basically told herself in order to be with us, God and I'm gonna, have to run this scam and pretend to be read, not in love with them and there's a scene. My favorite seen actually the scheme that will.
one of the two seems that square says the actually shot, which is the scene of the lake
he's with one of his new women and like they're, both in these
in suits. You know like Tony LO. Bianco is like a
little cut a tall short with these tiny shorts and he's got hair everywhere and he's just. I do push ups on the banks of the river and shit like you know, and then his his new woman, the woman from the services like she's, like an older woman but she's very you, know, she's attractive and in she's wearing this bang suit, and then you see Martha so
in a row, because
Lord knows it's vulnerable to being a bathing suits, especially,
We win her size where she was feeling, like kind of my right,
about the way she walked, and then you
watching your man coordinate with some other woman innovating sooner in the river. Like you know, split.
for each other and she's just like lose,
like her. I should say whatever and it's like sectors that moment where I was a man. Is there anything lonelier than that like us, are anything lonelier than watching like your career, crusher guy hanging out with some other girl in bathing suits
then maybe you are having a debating, so you don't want to be in a magazine so
you're stroll she did the next natural thing, which is to threaten to drown herself and then re. You know
it's where his time he is to go, get her, and you know I think at that moment you really realize okay. Well, maybe they are in it together, because at first I was kind of like oh he's, taking this woman for a ride again, but then I'm like no. He cares
right. So if it is the very thing he cares because she
is on to him and will bust his ass for running these scams like they're in it together now to turn back, but then she's the one who kind of goes to the murder moment right, like she's, the one who kind of goes to like I'm, going to put this lady on a bus
and give her pills and get her out of our life, and I don't care what happens to her mind was that was kind of a sadness that I was feeling in this in this movie, which is that it's so sad that
these women were being swindled so much and all they really wanted with attention and care and love like that was said here I mean this is kind of. Like I mean this is. This is,
really what makes a movie kind of a good, Marina me, and what makes emotional is because it's like you know
Similarly, this is a story about a woman
and who is just desperate for connection and she basically just like
we'll, do it at any cost and you know and the weird.
about this movie is that there is
kind of like no one to root for at the end of the day, because eventually she becomes completely complicit, even though you're like okay. I understand why she's doing this she's doing it, because she's fucked up about love right, but at the same time you're like
now, you drowned a kid yeah and then
now, you you, I only know the hammer at a later, with a hammer and drowned or kid and like you so you're in it and like
whatever mental jump that you had to take to go, there makes you not likeable right, but I also
think that that is interesting, that she's not likeable, because
There's no happy ending tenure, this site that you know these in real life, these people were convicted of these murders and then they die on the electric chair. They were, you know, killed
or their crimes. Yes, oh that's a thing.
That there is no happy ending, and you know that's. What I think is great about the film is that it doesn't protect,
tend to be happy. It's just like area. They are as bad as they are hand. There is no love,
it's just like their adorable people on at the end. It also kind of feels, like a very nice point of departure from a lot of true crime films because
not trying, I don't, we feel that the victims were that sympathetic and a lot of ways like them. I think they deserve to die, but I think that
there's. Some of them are a little annoying in a little media. In a little clawing and a little bit much ram,
so I can see how again the representation of the film is that this is something
to be wary of as a woman like don't be too much because a man might kill you. Let us say it is another interesting part of it for sure, because you know it is sort of like
you wonder, I mean there's a
absolute stereotype of
US lonely middle age, spinster who is annoying and who is who is not here now
soft in gentle and there you know their weird and when the hokey, none of these women seem to be culturally acceptable right. So I get these women have benefited. Now it been completely fine for them.
To be a mere own to not have Ado to like live their lives. They wouldn't have to have the twin bed situation with their mom vague, but this there were not cultural acceptable within the moment in because they wanted to much. Are they want something different in s? Interesting to me, grimmer, true crime perspective for short yeah, but
You know, as a movie I mean it's great, like I think it's a jam
honestly, I feel like it doesn't get talked about enough on its own criterion collection. So there is a really great. You know copy of it out there.
there's lots of great extra on that. I think it's on humbly Ray, but
you know it's it's such a great film in its
It's against very unique in the
thence that it was made at a certain time it was made by like it was the first films were privileged everybody involved and it you know
really is kind of like a greedy raw sort of fucked up with aids.
savage, it's where those movies that I kind of I want, even though I'm just seeing it now for the first time at forty two, I
young women, to watch this movie and,
to realize that again
Taking the leap into murder
to realize that your
is valid and it's hard to at it's hard to be out in the world and it's hard to want things and like it's hard to have these these emotions, but to kind of see this real, ordinary women. I think it's important foundationally for girls to see that, like to see complicated, messy women well
speaking of complicated messy women
speaking of obsession list.
about your movie for this week,
movie this week is heavenly creatures directly by Peter Jackson. Tall young girls living in
all of imagination, I'm going to the fourth world. It's an absolute paradise is music art and pure
join what they shared was a secret. Your daughter's behaving in a rather disturbed she done. I think, I'm going crazy
The crime that shocked the nation people die every day. The basque people, fight against all obstacles. She's anew
so this may be
came at an ancient before directed by Peter Jackson. It was being
on a real life case that
been in Christchurch New Zealand, it's the Perker Hume murder and the details of the cap.
Is that sixteen year old, Pauline Parker and her fifteen year old e g-
whom basically conspired
Kill her mom when they couldn't
They found that Juliet's family was moving and would be separating them from each other, and
they succeeded in doing that. Juliet they put a brick in a stocking and
best your mom and the head on a walk.
and then ran,
into the street and kind of got attention and they were hoping it would be seen as an accident that they could write off and
they could be together and when the Hollywood become these famous in a movie actresses, because they,
and they are teenagers, but they legitimately murdered her her mom. What ended up happening is that both both them
more found guilty. They both served,
five year sentence, but a condition
their release is that they were ordered to never be in contact with each other. Again
which seems like something I definitely want to talk about it seems almost almost impossible know, but it's in a weird way. It's the reason. This movie
comes across to me as like. So romantic any does stick to the real story pretty closely. Even
Juliet has since said that they didn't have a sexual relationship, and that was definitely part the movie. But what really gets to me about this and what I thought match
Our theme really well is that it's not just a true crime. It's a crime
I am about a romantic relationship in a different way. Sure
surely sexual, if not purely
a purely sexual relationship and it still a very deeply romantic relationship and its based in
kind of frenzy that a lot of us feel
it was the young women when we're forming friendships. Awesome.
We're, very romantic even again if they never become sexual. So I think that there is some.
thing to be said about the fact that they get together, but then also how they bond is very interesting, because this is again. Nineteen fifty is crucial
Church Museum in all girl school there
kind of precocious in different ways, and I think that Pauline is a little more insular, with her ferociousness and Juliet's very outspoken, which I feel like has to do with class, but that completely well, because it is a very classic movie- is a class based movie. I've got Julie and her grand mansion and her running swallowing around the field with her long dresses and then you've got Pauline living in the middle of the city with her family and they run a boarding house trains me and her dad works is like a fishmonger. So it is very class as well for sure, but there was something about not just the frenzy, so they kind of bond over the
idea or the knowledge that their both sick, so they're, both sitting out and Jim Class and are asked
each other? Why and basically do
the historical with tuberculosis. Polina struggled with ask you my life S, which is a bone bone sickness and when the best lines and moving on so we got first of all its the actresses are incredibly got Melanie, Linsky very young, but like clearly showing some of the incredible range she has to this day, and this is Kate Windless First movie, she done television before this, but never done film. So we ve got these kind of origin. Is you know in their country, is other bonding over this
the sickness connection that they have and they're kind of they're sitting on this bench and
at in flip, says after they discover what each of their illnesses are. Kate Winslet says all the best people have bad chests and bone diseases,
which is just such an incredible way to think about like drawing power from your biggest flaw like that would definitely be on some instagram. Quite
that is for sure, hilarious to me that, like they, they burn in this way and then and there they take off their death an inseparable from day, one
a frenzy to this. But there is also such an incredible fantasy life and there
very childlike in this way, whether fantasy life with each other is built
in this world were Merry Alonzo, serenading them and hurry now have on the hoof. Gonna tell you like
like it's so funny, because I'm like it's this weird moment like where you watch like
forty usually bodies and fifty movies, like Pre rock and roll. Almost where your, like all people
with Mario Lanza, like teen teenagers, went crazy for Mario Lanza there's a lot of rending of garments. Yeah, like they're like running around town like kissing posters of Mario Lanson, I'm kind of like damn that is fucking crazy. Just a normal dude like he looks like it looks like a normal guy. Listen no disrespect to Mr Lanza, but like his move,
like we play. You know I've seen a lot of his films in the past and it's like a lot of like blah blah blah and I'm like wow, it's a lot like
have to watch more than one in a row. It's a lot, but they loved it. They were love wrong, they're, strong on it like running through the woods tearing their clothes off sprung, and so there is there's again this connection in both of these films. To this, like this idea of being possessive of each other versus being
possessed by each other and theirs.
Definitely this moment in heavenly creatures that goes from. You know why
together, everything is great. We have this. We ve created this entire fantasy world. Together, we can exist outside of the boundaries of what we know and in there
they're torn apart and- and it becomes quickly, goes from, I want to die to- I want to kill wow and that
interesting to me. Well, okay, so there, the whole idea is that they're, just sort of like obsessed with being around each other, and it becomes clear like there's a part of the film where Kate Winless character, because I
he's the other thing I found really heartbreaking about the to of them is because they absolutely trauma bonded because of their sickness right and K will Winfil character. In particular, I think
because she was rich and had rich parents
were the types that were like you're, sick, we're gonna, send you away to like tropical environment, so you can get over your whatever and then we'll just leave you there. They kept saying that well we're just as good for your health. So for this go for your health and it's like well being a negligent parent is not good for my health. So let's start at the foundation of that, and I know that that was a thing a lot more than it is now I mean now you can't even imagine that kind of stuff it's like, but you know back in the days where, like you had tuberculosis, like that, where they're like you're going to an asylum and we're leaving you there like until
for months until you get better, so she was like
us really. She was very. She was lonely and I think that's white and the two of them
being sick like that, I think is what caused them to overrun invested each other. So they get
the point where Kate Winslet's character actually does
to get TB and
essentially needs to recover and there's this whole achieve
events where her father ass to walkways
job, and then they get divorced and basically she's like
you're gonna, like the families that you're moving to South Africa because
You need to get for your hair
but also we don't want to deal with you. So by that point it was very much the parents had stepped in and were like. This friendship is too much: oh yeah. By that time, the parents were like
they are lesbians? We need to handle it in the nineteen fifties way that we handle lesbian would like you're going to Africa. Yeah I'm sending this white girl to Africa. We dealt with for being a lesbian. We will eventually give you
electro shock treatment as we think that homosexuality is a disease for the parents were kind of the catalyst for for the
the kind of extreme trauma coming to the surface. I think watch is that they were fine when
together with hard for Pauline win. Juliet was
gone getting this treatment for tuberculosis for tuberculosis for a few months, but they ve
had a friend. If they were writing letters, they still have their fantasy life, so it was a threat of being permanently dislodged from each other that brought this kind of madness to the surface more for Pauline than it did for Juliet. Juliet was very upset, but Pauline was instantly just like the way through this is
to kill my mom cause she's the obstacle here right, because the parroting styles I filmmaker different, also
if he class baseboard incidents that you know. You know
to Kate Winslet characters. Parents or, like you, do have a lucky one. In fact, we don't even want to see you we're sending you away to other countries, whereas Melanie on
His parents were like hard core
I want to know where you are at all times. Let me tell you a little house. She can't even get a passport is a good sign for yes, she was really stuck. So I think that it makes sense to me that she would go to this murder
what is pushing like the mom was too overbearing and you know who she was
brooding. I think she was normally, I think in her real life. She was brooding.
just what you saw the real life
Ross of her and she would look pissed off
It's kind of incredible that the attention to detail was movies, didn't ask again, because there is a photo Polly in Parker a school photo where everyone cunning, looking at the Cameron, smiling in their school uniforms, and she is like arms crossed head down. Hair phrases, scowling lay she's, not here for any part of it, and they got that so right, and I think you know Kate winds of obviously went on to have this. Incredibly us huge
after winning career, but Melanie Linsky is incredible. Stash the Pauline, my girl, let's get serious, I did like a dark haired frizzy ass, my
I'll be had a hair and then
photo where she just like the whole schools. Look it up will smiling she's. I'm boom, like looked
on the ground. She, like that's a girl.
My own heart, like I love it. That in the movie starts that we have one thing in the inner closer walk with the thing in their songs. She's dislike staring at she's at all, she's that got one per shore.
I love it, but I think that there is something to be said about the fear of
female sexuality in this movie, in the fear of a women coming together and young girls, especially people freak out when young girls figure out,
Their emotional life now in this movie was again because directed by a dude by Peter Jackson was
even more impressive to me. For that I think so too. Actually, I mean not to say that I don't think Peter Jackson is a sensitive person or would understand the nuance of women, but I think
he really mail
like you, really figured out a way to communicate their
a mutual obsession with each other without make
yet some we're like sex, seem yeah routinely.
being thing, you don't owe me mean I just feel like, like not another teen lesbian movie style, like comedy, you know, like a man telling a story of these two women, I think, could be certainly go in that direction, and but he, but he really did a great job and yeah. You know so much tenderness there, and I think that the because may be part of it is that the small facet, a small facet of the movie, that it's really about building up the fantasy that really but building up what their with world they were living, and I thought he tapped into that really well, and they were doing this. They were. They were kind of. Like writing this story throughout the film like you know, they were obviously very interested in like writing in literature in history, and then they were kind of like
acting out. The rules
ship between our two characters in their story, which is like a man and a woman, they're kind of like pretending to be the the
couple any kind of you know
workin that out for themselves, which I thought was really enter
students like Oji fan fiction about each other yeah like they were the actors in their own fan, fiction or something. It was kind of amazing yeah as pretty cool,
definitely I think it as far as true crime goes. We need more,
true crime movies, about women who kill independent of men yeah, and we also need more indepth, looks at I mean I remember, being a teenager and being like. I could have committed a murder when I was a teenager yeah I had a.
I could have had a list of any one of the kids in the hall had been like. You should kill that I been like holy, you got it yeah, you're, so keyed up at that age. You know what I mean and it's like, and also too like. I remember like I didn't so I thought
this movie before recording I had seen
I was in college and it
hold up so well that if such a it's such a fuckin good movie- and I was like really surprised because, as you know, is hidden differently now that I'm a dollar zero like oh yeah, this is different like one, oh, if I had walked just when I was a kid I would have been like. Oh my god,
This is my life. Nobody can ever tell me what to do. It's like yeah. Of course they did. Of course they did all this stuff and you know they're
she's not get on that ship? I gotta do something about this, but you know now, I'm like I'm sure
I appreciate that it is like a
wimps into that type of relationship. And yet another word, you know, like your friends or
everything when you're that age, I mean any point of connection matters more than in any point of connection matters yeah, I'm so glad you picked that when we met I
I think this. This is a good mix. It's like different types of Herman different types of session and obsessiveness, but like definitely
crime people. I hear me doing some crimes, they are doing those true cleaves. The leather gloves, murdering people with a brick. Also, please tell me what was the caliber of the pantyhose that they had back then that they could put a brick in it, because if I look at a pair of panty hose right now, I got a run yeah I was thinking at too I was like that's some hardcore like postworld war.
two pantyhose amassed yes, yes, I'm pure silk and like didn't come from the eggs, didn't it there was no legs eggs, tat it owes. This was like the hard core stop that, like day, you know when the war happens like be ran out of for something as they make ships out of it or some shit. I don't know, I don't know history folks of here. Can it not to colonel bad, but no other work omitted to Fanny holdings. Spain should be honest if, like slang should be, advertising would have thought of a pair of well. I'm in an hour be exactly at is always you know if you want to talk to us, but your favorite, your crime, films or anything. Really, you can email ass. I saw it. You did Pottage Imelda COM and I hear from you we will read it and we.
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that is like really so I take it back
to my mom was doing the other night and my parents famously have no taste in movies, but my mom is suddenly like,
watching a lot of,
or you know, my mom's, an older lady, like you know, close to seventy and all of a sudden. I come in the room and she was watching it chapter two and I'm like what are you talking about? She never seen it one. She doesn't even know anything about Stephen King. So I'm a little confused by this, and I just like sitting here thinking I almost texted you deal because I was like what is up with
like older women. Getting in horror, movies
and it was something I wanted to ask you because
grandma is like,
famously into horror, and I was hoping you could
tell people about that, because it's awesome is
is she Isn T the known maniac? She he? I think there is some kind of connection between the frustration women must feel and must have felt throughout the decades, and
not having outlets for those feeling. So just watching people get Merkt kind of became like the thing that made them feel good
made of my own dear all the years of being repressed. Now they want to see murders. Happier, though I cannot just kill some people, so I can relax
can I see one murder, so I can go to bed
but there is something to make my grandma was. She has told me that you know she she's loved horror, films and she was a little kid and she always love you like the creature from the black lagoon and kind of all the old school ones. But in his aunt
and supplied as she's got an older you do. You think that it would be something that kind of hits a peak, but
Grandma has seen audition I have not
don't worry about it. She watches
the walking dead every Sunday when it's on, like the new seasons are on is walking.
Don T shirts.
She had her whole arsenal of movies in her house are all horror, films and she
she loves you and she who and
that is the most bizarre is that she laughs or ass off at them. She delights in horror movies, and so I occasionally reach out and kind of ask her. You know some thoughts about
and we are lucky enough that you recorded some of it yeah. I say
every week. We still talk about it routinely and I will occasionally come come through with some recordings of my grandma this winter
from a few years ago, where I basically was just having a conversation with her about why? Why horror? Why
and why use it as a tool of instruction for children
Why didn't you really? Thus, with our movie? Will you play that right now, please, yes,
listen to you to my grandmother's and put out these films
Do you remember making me watch Halloween yeah? That was good yeah,
was not good. It was scary, and I used to tell you kids- this is just a movie you ve been doing
the arrow clear who's gonna want you, you got a lot to
You're. Writing a right now saying out
terrified. We were his kids to watch horror movies, my kids school up on that Bobby today. He loves so safe. Wait. You're telling me that having kids watch horror movies is a great tool of pain.
Aren't you, sir? It certainly is making things worse about. Do,
a lot of things they wanted, because they think that things were said to me
you think about walking in the woods going home
your mom must tell you to walk in those boys. No get the hell out of those I think
is it good
of training is certainly is to is you think
Oh my God, Gary! This is wrong with you,
issues like those those horror movie, Frazier marries praising well run it
always young women jockey by themselves.
as you know no standing here and there
So many, it's a shame answered a shame, your body, nor my should tell to procure more. You understand
right now you read about in the paper. Someone got great terror there.
Now look at the eventual Gary and life, whether
everywhere. You go. Carry a little secret life right there and it's on the cut is to take it to
It is something as yours. Now I'm telling you sometimes out so
but the thing is is like women shouldn't feel they have to
run with knives, always retiring medication. Re people around here- that's not the world today. When do you think they should do?
why shouldn't do that led the world today carrier like cut his throat, let him think about being cut before he put his ear.
Die. You can grab a knife cut his
through I mean he's lying. I then
It should be on a t, shirt justice
I fear I love
your grandma life
was raised by her. Let us make sure that that is part of the complex nature of this is the person before its.
The advice she gave me regularly. I mean you,
and asked for anything better than truly usual
oh yeah- I mean it's like she said MIKE.
I love that she's just so emphatic about you know.
Her boy you sitting here, because I have not the shit man she's, not rob she's, not wrong. She raised that she wanted to raise the kind of woman who would take no shit and would not be fearful in this world.
And she succeeded in that, but
did it in the weirdest fucking way. Thanks.
You Daniels Grandma for making Daniel but
I must say you have more clips and wool will ya
it will do this every so often in NEO have like other grandma's nuggets of wisdom, to bring horror
I am not. I just want to hear her more so
definitely have I have
recordings, and I will continue to record her with her permission.
yeah she's. She she comes up with this stuff all day every day
at last we she was telling us that she wanted a states having with my brother. She told us, you wanted a full sleep tattoo
It is, never ends it never
ends and I will catch as much of it is possible. Maybe
try to get on your grandma's level
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