Hey everyone welcomes this week's episode of fish before we get going. We just want to let you know that we have a very special guest on this week James, the way a holiday at the moment doing you know classic changing things show you can hear about it on a future podcast when he's bag we eating, you know we're testicles and living in a cave that sort of a classic Hearken holiday. Anyway, in his place, we have the brilliant comedian Chaparral Course Andy Shop, Ex a really good friend of ours, she's been fish before she did. The comic relief marathon and that video is up on Youtube if you want to watch it but she's. For an actual episode, this time and she's, not only comedian she's, a brilliant author is well she's, ridden three books. Her latest book, which has just come out, is called kissing Emma

it's a novel for young adults, and it is a modern fable of the untold story of Emma Hamilton, who was Lord Nelson's mistress, and so, if you have a young adults in your life, do get the book for them, but also do get it for yourself, because it is for adults as well and Shap racket such a great writer so funny so interesting. It's gonna be a great red anyway. That book is available online and in stores now to do get a copy, but until then enjoy chaparral on no such thing as a vision. Here we go how low and welcome to another episode of no such thing as a fish illegally Pugwash coming to you from poor undisclosed locations in the Uk Mine Dan Schreiber. I am sitting here with an addition: Ski Andrew Hunter Murray

special guest. Its shepperalk go sandy Once again, we have gathered round the microphones with our poor favorite facts from the last seven days and in no particular order here we go starting with fact number one and that's shut Brok, so hello and my fax. Is it a doctor in India? I shoulda Swanny, put prescribe dvds of Charlie Chaplin to his patients to convince them that joy and laughter was the remedy to their malady. Does he do it? If you run out of my son for that day? It's interesting, I mean look, we say doctor, but he was- and this is a new word- I've learned you ve Dick medicine, so it's I'm sorry you ve called him a dig. The video I have I have read. Thank you very much is that homeopathic is lots of different. Their is traditional bits of those,

eating and that their dietary things in his habit treatments and that kind of stuff. That's that's eye of ETA yank. The eighty percent of people in India roughly were practice. I obey dick medicine. Yeah yeah is what we would say as alternative medicine, bigger unmindfulness. You know. I think that it's the practice of looking after this.

Now in your body and being connected with yourself, but let us be clear: if you're going through your covert vaccination and they run out of five- do not accept the gold rush as a subsidy. Absolutely likewise, if you ve broken your leg, the kid will do nothing for you just to clarify. If there was talking about Eu Vader Medicine and how is attentive, actually us one, a proscribes chaplain for mood, disorders, right and psychological problems, so is people who come with anxiety or depression, and that doesn't seem completely out of this wealth, some of those issues, and so there's a lot of signs that says the old GS wage is associated with living longer. I think there was a study in Norway, the like fifty four thousand people, and it looks at how could this sensitive human were? Don't know how they did that and then I went by fifteen years

sir, and the month, for the best sense of humour, were more likely to have survived flyer? Maybe this kind of what he's into? I think there is something to which I think you know we spoke about this on the pickaxe before where, when people were put under, an dress when they put it. I think our hands were an ice buckets listening to Billy Connally made them feel the pain less they did show, Charlie Chaplin films in hospital laces screen on hospital, lamb ceilings for casualties of world war, one because chaplain was such a massive stall that his very silhouette would make people feel overjoyed and happy how'd. You get the mustache into this silhouette, you ve got you ve gotta do sideways on Myspace than though he's my colleague outside it did not look. I got the cane bent with the path is going to is this. Who is it, oh there is someone else it could have been, because you know how he one of his most famous homes is called great dictator and evil, yet rising Hitler. I didn't know this here,

Hitler were born for days apart. That doesn't mean they have the same silhouette ceiling We saw this and say that Hitler copy Chaplin's mustache, but was that Mr Bush, the fashion that then the way big bids are now amongst the young? and ass. You yeah, I mean and hand it was a fashionable guy, and yet that is ever been evidence, but there is some one who did copy chop has missed ass, a vertically and thus Marcel priest Why did myself preuss copy? It was a direct tribute to truly chaplain, yes and cause. He was the biggest thing ever I mean the timing was saying he was the most famous person who had ever lived, which is probably children about nineteen fifteen. Sixteen wasn't it because you know movies, it just become this global thing. He was the MR bean of his time. He could John send a language and that did not rely on language and in full

he resisted the talkies when, when they started still consumes, chaplain was like nah nah, nah, nah nah this. This takes away the purity of of of what we do, and this is just a passing fad and it took him a long time to make a talking, so I think I've watched the great dictator even more times, and I've watched grief Really. What is our films I know of my heart, but we do need to know how many times you see in Greece in order for this fact to have true path. I think I watch Greece every Saturday for about four five years. Ok now that kind of thing yeah throws into an entirely new light as a whole. Lot of people during their sort of dark times in their teens will listen to to music. I would just what great dictator and I'd I'd make my friends watch it, and I love. I lost cry a few friends with my definition. With with not with that particular film lazy. We

say the great dictator, because this is a movie that a lot of listeners might not know the plot line over aware of its impact. This was a movie that Charlie Chaplin made in nineteen forty. This was a movie that basically sat arise Hitler and showed exactly what his plans were and his hatred to towards the jewish people of the world and how he was putting them away and how he wanted global dictatorship, and this was at a point where no ever One was really ready to say that that's what Hitler was doing and Charlie Chaplin got in a lot of trouble for its, but this. he came out, while Hitler was really at the beginning of what he was about to do and cause huge ruckus Hitler saw it twice. Its astonishing that this movie was made. How many times did he's a great land? We need to know that contact you better shape up was patenting one of his favorite songs. I was my mind that Hitler saw there sat. How can you be Hitler and watch that final speech? Don't fight

these machine men with machine hearts and machine mines. You up not machines. Your men, you up a love of humanity, are how did that not cure Hitler? He thought that was this asset. That's the problem with outside its true ambiguous that must have really hit home in distinctly in your family as well, because your dad is sacrificed satirist and you effectively had to flee wrong because of his direct satire towards that the power they are right.

yeah. I think my father was a heat reason. Why fell in love a chaplain that seen in the great dictator when he's on the roof with Paul I got out and they literally escaping with the shirts on their backs, and then he sees his barbershop blow up, because the Nazis blown up and he's not beggars the barber shop and that simple little line there goes above a sharp daggers everything I have everything. I've worked for just gone, and now we have to flee everything. We know because of these guys, which is exactly what happened: discourse to family, it's it's a horrible thing and trap and of course, was exiled from

America as a Mccarthyism was an end. He was understandably criticized it and then had to leave and moved to Switzerland yeah. Well, he didn't. Originally movement has worsened. He was on his way back to England, and then they told him on board the ship by the way you're not gonna, be allowed back into the states. Unless you appear in front of the immigration authorities on charges of political and moral turpitude so effectively, he couldn't go back I went to his house and remain: did you really the extraordinary thing about? It? Is the Alps looking down at you that, wherever you look sisters, Arter beauty, and it was enough for some one of his wealth, it wasn't an opulent sit all it's it's a lovely family home yeah I mean I would live. There follows on routes to the UK, but I should nonetheless like, if I may, by those this huge problem when he was on his way, which is he

a million dollars buried in his garden, really happy, and the story is- and I think this debate about how much of it is true, is that he asked his wife to get a spade. Go to the garden dig. It up first in two thousand dollar bills, so them into her mink coat and then just memorandum to Switzerland. and so it is a big ask: isn't it you ve gotta? I think this is also. Did you make it? Well, I mean they lived together in Switzerland until his death, so yeah she did. Did you bring the millions with her? I think there has been a draw. A veil has been drawn over that. So we don't know I've taken take up old garden. For God's sake, that might also about digging up Charlie Chaplin, because that is exactly what happened to him and said. This is the way to see if he was body snatched. Yes, by these guys, who wanted to bury him under way was buried. Rye is corpse, was stolen really, shortly after he died in the nineteen. Seventy

Seventy five year, seventy five and was these guys? You wanted to basically store Una won. His last wife and said, give us all this money, because we ve stolen elements body and they traced the cause and they caught the guys and the guy's basically said which we didn't really mean anything by it. We just wanted to dig him up, bury him a bit beneath where he had been buried before so. It looks like he was, on and then we have to like it and bury him in a cornfield. No, I mean that is the worst alibi. I've ever heard. They they wanted six hundred thousand dollars or the equivalent of six hundred thousand dollars today for his return, and it is incredible thing operation. They lost surveillance operations on two hundred phone booth in the area when they were waiting for the call to be made, which is in a substantial effort here I would say they didn't it

to be fair to them that they weren't trying to extort the wife. They decided to steal the body. We would just gonna Heizer and they don't apologize to you an hour afterwards and she did forgive them is. What would happen to me was a call me he would have got the civitas slats. It's amazing that this happened in nineteen. Seventy five as well. Isn't it was pretty extra why many men workers are dying. Ninety seventy seven. So, oh my god, so sorry, wife, I remember I'm wrong. Wait what you there we go. You come out what what year did Greece Oh I don't know. Seventy eight came out. Nineteen guys say we pretending that smoking. well, I didn't come to know you pay to seventy nine, so I miss happening,

all alive yeah. I came in time that at all times it right, but how can we talk a bit more about the insane early popularity of Charlie Chaplin, because we took what about his later career with great dictator, but his early films when he moved to the USA as a group in England, incredibly poor moved to the USA in its first year that he made thirty six films in nineteen. Forty So I really is a victory in the New York Times and its full of these unbelievable details about the chaplain mania craze. So, for example, I'm quoting directly from his victory. One New York Theatre played his films continuously from nineteen fourteen to nineteen twenty three, stopping only Because the building burned down that what was I know, I know, but I don't want you enter the ballet in LOS Angeles and again, I'm quoting directly its dances, spotted chaplain in the audience and halted the show for half an hour while they embraced him

that was a disease going about their original theme. It was called shop politeness and literally from nineteen fifteen basically assumes you become famous people reported chaplain writers, and he was everywhere like from China, Africa, Russia and Japan. He was referred to as professor alcohol because of the way he swayed, which just like mad level of global fame for that time, but he always wanted it. I haven't really see, was though fame craze to her on but over to America he basically said I'm coming to conquer you. Every man, woman and child shall have my name on their lit, and you know who is on that boat with who, I believe, witness that moments of him saying I'm going to conquer. Erika was still Kardashian Yes, I'm Laurel, who was part of the

british group of comedians that they were with they both went to America together they lived together for while as well- and he was I get. This guy was insanely ambitious when they were living in the America. Obviously, they one successful as soon as they arrived there lived in a flat together and a party they weren't allowed to cook in the flat. That was one of the rules. Seven sealed up. So when they were frying, pork chops stand or would further bookshops and chaplain will play the violent incredibly loudly to mass inside. My my favorite chapter, in fact, is that Jackie Coogan, who played the kids- I don't think I've ever stopped so much as when I saw the kid being put on the cards and taken away from chaplain and out stretching his arms and in that film, that line for all of us here if its treatment of women in his life that beginning line where he says a woman. I cry when I

since had loved a woman whose crime was motherhood, such a simple thing, to say at a time when so many unmarried mothers had to abandon their kids or put them up for adoption, and that that to me was such such support early support, a single mother had, of course his mother was a single mom, so he had a loss of compassion for for women in that predicament anyway, Jackie Coogan went on to become uncle faster in the atoms and Maghreb lady. Yes, what's that cute, you too little kid that when a round with the tramp smashing windows turned out to be the gruesome, bull tat, an amazing that we quickly go back to the man of who this whole fact was born

Doctor Jones Ass, sharp ass, Swanny he's such a great character ends its wonderful when you have people championing other characters is their whole life's mission, so he discovered chaplain when he was very young and he fell in love with him and he tried to get into being a performer himself off the back, a chaplain and doing mine and so on, but it didn't work out for him, and so he went to become this doctor ends just while being a doctor, he continued his love, so he used to dress up his chaplain in the streets. He went on to say the big festival and, when I say bigger, think that something like three hundred people go to every year, but it's a tiny town in Gujarat. It's not a big place and people from around the world come to visit it and they dress up his chaplain and they cut a chaplain cake and I've been trying to find your friend crowds if festival. Imagine even worse him being a doctor, you having a severe cases, chaplain Nighters booking, into see her Peters,

That is correct and it gives you a job in the o K. It is time for fact number two, and that is my fact. My thank this week is that One really knows what order the chronicles of Narnia should be read in not even see yes Louis. Neither is it say: the wardrobe, the wage and allied. All this time. Basically, this is something that been bubbling away in the background amongst academics, who loves Cs Louisen, just fans of the chronicles of Narnia, where they don't actually know which order to read the book in, because there's been various publications over the years that have them put indifferent orders. So there's a book that peers, quite late in the series called the magicians nephew, which is actually a pre equal to what is thought to be the first but the line which the wardrobe So in certain publishers republic. The book series, though, make them magicians nephew book number one,

but people argue that know that should be later on in the series like they were originally published, and so the only thing that we really know about Cs Louis. His preference came from a letter that he wrote to an eleven year old boy. Nineteen fifty seven who said that he thinks that it should be read in the chronological order, but is mother thought it should be in the original publication order, starting with the language and wardrobe. So he wrote back Cs Louis saying I think I agree with your order for reading the books more than with your mother's. The series was planned beforehand. Ass. She thinks when I wrote. The lion I did not know is gonna write any more, so perhaps it does not matter very much which order any one reads them so even he was like. Not gonna, settle on a site, as a result? That letter has been analyzed so many times by different academics who use it as him. With that final line, saying it doesn't matter what order and then the academic go to the top of the letter and say no. He thinks he agrees with the boys order, and so we

start no Christ, which makes our analyzing and re analyzing was very brief. Lesser from Cs Louis, it's not Don Jew, and is it just. He said it does them just except it move only. I know so you don't know how busy he was when he was writing this letter, like my may, lie all honesty. It doesnt matter leave me alone. He just had a thing he had to respond to letters and he just said something: flippant Lane didn't really analyzer himself because I'll stand alone, but sought ass, a Visa Euro fan out new. Have you read them all know haven't at the ball, but I'm a massive founded, the line the which in the wardrobe which have just started reading my daughter actually ass it last night. I'm such a did stake that years and years into my adult life. Having been obsessed with line the witch wardrobe, all my life I had to go on a television programme and talk about it and there was a cuban ay, and someone asked me about the fact that it was a christian allegory at I didn't realize

happens. They also I went, really, I absolutely clear less. There was very little religion in my life as a child, and I just thought this resurrection was coincidental with what happened to Jesus. But why would you have me? There is no reason why you would know as a child a night another interesting reading it as an adult, because I'm I did. I read old books in the autumn. The came in the box at magicians, nephew first and when your seven or wherever you're, not really looking for the message, and in fact, even if the messages round down your throat, you likely to missus your excited by native, going into into a cupboard, see us

he was a serious christian and lots of ways and in fact I think he was described in his victory as more of a Christian Thinketh. One of his men of entries in the new tab didn't even mention the lie. The wish of the moderate and mentioned Tonia described him as a christian apologist and a couple days, wantonly huh. eyebrow to already pretentious extend it was his wing is hit by a long way. I was is tat. Your body he converted to Christianity. I really like this fact on a trip to whips, need, zoo and specifically in by sight car on route to whips, neighed zoo? What's I think he went with his his brother or brother in law, and he wrote later on when we set out. I did not believe TAT. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and when we reached the zoo I did and the journey was other motorbike and he was in the side car. So he had a convergent. Christianity and motorbikes oh wow. What happened? What possibly happened in thy son? I mean it. I think it was very the combination of a process. It wasn't as though they saw a burning bush on route achieved, though

our lives, they told him. Do you know that we know the population of Nona? Exactly? Is nineteen thousand two hundred and fifty to thy, including the squirrels? All that's good. human population our aim, because human does real place? Godaddy are not here, and this is in ITALY, It's good body these days, but in classical times it was called Monica and see us Louis or as a young man on a technical matter which was written in Latin and it just label that not yet the ages. not with him imagine it could be Chelmsford. I don't know if that would have caught his eye and quite the same, maybe I looked Antonia in ITALY, and it didn't look as if they had done anything specifically to capitalize on you know you could call You could quite easily turn yourself into a tourist. How can you yeah, I think they firmly got the dignity to resist. It is my hunch. Do you think?

in Sicily it's not in the north of Iraq. We are talking about. I've got recognise, places that are needed. Sierra Leone finally Hemison a trick yeah. I guess if that was imprisoned, let that be selling Little Mister Tom. This key rang even just some sort of like Carpentry cupboard shop. That is, has a tie, and you know it do something use it. What covers with a false backing has a good idea actually not could be ready? What, then, at you, I know, you're always looking for a pilgrimage to go in to see a great places of associated with great people. You can see the wardrobe, the water. Who is in Illinois fur weird reasons? It's the Louis family, what which was at his family home above us for years, and then it got me without our homes is definitely the wardrobe and it was auctioned off and taken to place, could weaken college and that these days with tokens desk, so they united even in death, am I

That's the places capitalizing on the connection. By annoy its way, he will be the first time working through habit, it wasn't in the line which the wardrobe it was in a nineteen forty six. I say that he wrote called different tastes and literature wow yet and not as cow chickens, that's it he uses it as an analogy of the experience of reading poetry. You know you walk through wardrobe into another realm and use that but so it unites recycled anonymous ideas. Did you ever try to to get into nine years? Children, yes, o my Lord Yom light pushing through

If I, if I just do it, maybe this- where maybe five just close my eyes are being now near hours, isolate habit. It was quite controversial for him when he was writing it because he wrote about the covered the wardrobe, and then he sent a draft of the boat. His friend Owen BAR failed, whose daughter was Lucy Lucy was CS, loses goddaughter. After him, the character of Lucy is named, and anyway Lucy's mom offals wife said what this is really. dangerous. You can have this peak. Kids will start locking themselves in cupboards. That's really dangerous. Lucy's gonna, look us off in a cupboard and then say: you'll notice. He added all these amendments. The text there are four or five references in the text to ya do very isolated, saying, burnt in the cupboard and leaving it open this debate, because it is very foolish to shut oneself into wardrobe and send them a piece of exactly very like round in to make sure

not probably saved you from locking yourself in a wardrobe, and you know what to this day, whenever I climb into wardrobe on careful to leave it out just a little k. It is time for fact, number three that is, and in my view, that the only dog to have been to both the north and South Poles was not a husky nor any kind of adventure dog, but a small Jack Russell Terra Solar mission. Solo mission, no slightly accompanied slightly accompanied by being Runnel finds his dog, which did help the odds of I think I saw well run off and Virginia fines is dog, so we

spoken about Runnel finds before we haven't spoken about lady twists, Alton Wickham finds no differences. Jenny was his wife and the dog was called Buffy, and this was the trends globe, expedition neighbour, on which we ve mentioned so briefly in passing, but basically it was the mission to cross Antarctica and the Arctic Ocean and get a both poles on the same trip. We never been tried before, where the dogs doing. I want the duke was a joint resolution and useful was at backup food supply. Was the jackals oiling all this lets? You know how expensive a beta put in Kennedy was for all that time exactly. I think that just loved the dog. Jenny said with income tax, Yes, I'm not leaving the dog. I have three years and she and the dog very, very close, because I think she lost her Yes terrier, I think at some awful. Ending it sort of drowned and slurry petals, something others ready, ready, traumatic right after the inconsolable, so then run of got her. This new dulled buffy

and they were inseparable and she said right we're going to take him all the way around the world, and they did so. Up until this point. I've known Rennell fines as this extraordinary explorer, but I have to say, Jenny. Fines is the who was person? I've read about in years is a legend. Isn T was: what's your favorite feature if average any feature? she kind of ran the show, and no one really ever acknowledge that she would organise the entire teams that would go along with him. She would set up the camp and she would have the radio going. she would sit and monitor listening out from Morse Code for days on and like listening and then having to organise, would have a weird requested. I need a whale, a ship to pick me up in two days. Ok, just do that then, shall I sitting here in my cardboard box, which she did sat in a cardboard box, my the time allocated. We hang on hang on hang on to fork, otherwise, your enthusiasm carried away. She did their work couple, though she designed cardboard hearts. Laminated cardboard has which

for when they needed to stay for the winter. In Antarctica, I saw the first material think of his it. When using what am I going to home light, the wise man bill his house out of cardboard ass. Now, that's no, no you're so you're right and then they got covered in snow, and I think that's what kept them warm. I guess they were light uneasily transportable, which is a good thing, and they had tunnels in between the huts and the other literal piggy built their heart tat language. I would like this like no just bought the dog early repeatedly. Both it was a terrible he shot in the snow tunnels between the has run a fine said, it's impossible to teach Buffy the difference between outside outside and outside, which is its no tunnel between the huts.

And even on the ship, all the way down both he was leaving little presence in everyone's cabins. Us that's a nightmare, but was very brave according to guinea, and although there is upon us, but apparently was only afraid once- and that was when he came across a bowl shapes and top takes of snow bowl and he box into it, and then it box back cause of the echo of her friends the hell out of sight from that very brave. My dog is a bit of a hero and also a little bit appalled at myself. Talking about Ginny in the Antarctic was her dog, because all I thought that was, I hope, Jenny cleared up after her to me until I take and didn't leading to green bags of dumping that if it is not really that is very upon actually don't know if they did tidy up and they have banned dogs from the Antarctic. Now, because you ruined for because the only left, some exaggerated

we have now adopted both. Not any colleagues are ass. We don't know that either so Buffy Buffy the dossier over That's probably means that no dog after Bali will ever go to the Arctic ice again, if the rule and that change it might be a generation of kids in the UK that are aware of Buffy, even though they don't realize it, Bothy used to appear on blue Peter LOTS, and there was a book that was written by ran off an Jenny about Bossy, the dawn not by Bosnia for kick in the second half. Only one part of the year, I believe in nineteen o two yeah, I think after the expedition, and then he was also invited to present a prize at nineteen. Eighty three crofts IDA,

He turned it down a moral area, nay, he or she did win prizes as well Jenny. She got the polar metal nineteen. Eighty seven. I think she was the first woman to get it, and that was could she did important scientific work and antarctic, mostly with her radio stuff pioneering, and she was the first woman ever to be invited to join the Antarctic Club. break if you been part of any kind of expeditions. I feel like it's a celebrity comedian thinking invite I would really love take. I would love to do that, but no, I haven't but he didn't. I miss celebrity, get me out of here where we just really stayed put from the occasional jumping out of a helicopter, but no the art take em you who doesn't want to go there. Is that my dream to do a trip like that and just hearing you guys talking about Ginny and high tech work and how she put the whole show together, makes me feel such a knob for taking all my fill our two even get on this call,

we view wasting all your time. So I think that was what was Europe. Let us and intrepid journey light. That was, you know what a licence and grit and Vienna owing shortened my life. Many also is it she's definitely suffered for her work. She once got in the Antarctic single glued to a laboratory, seek, as it was minus fifty degrees Celsius outside once she went out into the snow and done she had a cigarette, lighter metals hippo lighter in her pocket and it burned into her thoughts burned, Zippo and lighter interfaces of how called it was I mean it's not the same, but I had a similar experience and I miss leprosy get me out of here, because I got glued to the wooden toilet say because I went in after several of the blocks and it wasn't the saucy. You can flip ha ha rely egg. Yeah, because, though they would, we

in the dummy you couldn't flipper up and then you can wife, her eyes ass, their pay, which is soak down into it, and there is no getting away from those in limited amount of blue paper. It was horrific. Oh my This meant that this fact make it to resist you giving us exclusive. They consider that content about the unhygienic whose p, who's, paying my name's, not oil, tat no legally now, but I will tell you that suddenly John Said- and I have to share a towel for the entire time because they wouldn't let s have fresh towels. My town had got so foot is daybreak like this image which, if it was unusable- and so we have this situation- that we never talk to

of ever again as just we would never sure whose towers you say. I think that is how I think that it is calling for some kind of noble, but something I think I deserve a polar metal. Thank coming. Compare that to having is branded on your side. I think me having shared towers in training as gold coast, a lot worse with Boris Johnson's, dad We should say memorial listeners just back to Jenny for a second before she was doing these adventures with Randolph. She had amazing adventures in her own right one really bizarre one, which is in nineteen. Seventy two she was commissioned by women's I magazine to go and live within a month. Shake in the village for two months, the idea being that she would be his third wife, and there was a very, very strict understanding between all parties. That, though, is gonna, be no hanky. Panky that. It was just purely her living the life to see what the life is like and she

She went out there and she lived with them and she basically fell in love with the family to the point where she decided not to submit the article because she wanted to respect their privacy and then, in that area its where she then, with Randal Fines, went and found a completely lost city to time. this just amazing that lost city of ooh bar they'd heard rumours about it. No one could find it. Often Jenny obsessed over its spent years and years looking for it and Actually, it was solved when we started getting aerial shots via satellite that they were able to spot something in the sand and they uncovered it in. Found it in cross completely lost city of whose Frankenstein City, I think it was yet a little of assets. Trading set, must have in this incredible rich scented plating. They smell them out, I'm sure you'll, probably Bothwell phase and she did always does Without being you know, she wasn't physically tough. So, for example, she could

do two laps of a running track and then she had to lie down. She wasn't a strong woman, but I mean, but she still went on this thirty five thousand Mi Transglobe Expedition. She had to take a hot water bottle to take because rhinos, like sleeping with the windows open, which I find completely, what's yeah and sometimes when they were over wintering, as at the other end of the planet on the Antarctic, she wouldn't onto the radio and twice run of came back to the cardboard hot and found that she was unconscious from carbon monoxide poisoning was, and I know from Oh God knows ability equipment going wrong lorens, I dont know what exactly closer, but yet them just so many moments of near total peril. Evader on this expedition- and she took it open

Well didn't she. She was clearly hurry hardy. She sounds formidable thanks for with worthy, I would use so ever was kind of terrified offer, like your most respects it restricts had. Mistress is how I imagine her. I think when she had run off, had tat have his fingers amputated. You know how to compensate the ends of his evening, Sir frostbite right. Yes, but then he saw them off himself. A home area. First response was a damn, will be short handed on the farm. Now not a lot of sympathy is sort of short handed joke, because his fingers are literally short because he saw them. I don't think it was an entire it's no problem, but oversee has another layer. You can enjoy right, that's a good! She was you order. One kind of really amazing fight about Jenny is the is she died. I think in two thousand and three, and you may well tell me, was actually two thousand and five, but since two thousand and four you're kidding on earlier on we'll start writing days them all right? She doesn't it

Therefore, I think she may have been diagnosed with cancer in two thousand and three she found out about her illness when run of her husband was away. He was running seven marathons on seven continents in seven days and she didn't mention it to him in case he abandoned the attempt and change that he wanted him to get on with it and finish it. I think that is a sign of the kind of woman. She was completely that strong, spouting yeah extremely

guys. Can I tell you about first all female expedition to the North pole because isn't really want story. This was in the nineties and basically this woman, Caroline Hamilton, who is a financial she hated all forms of exercise, never done ready and alive decided eminence, like a bunch of women to the North Pole and she put out for in the newspaper the telegraph, I think saying: hey: are you a woman who has no hiking or exploring experience and do you wanna come to get in touch and all these women did uninstall the coolest story? They went on a trial we can somewhere in the UK, which was quite ruffling within dont. Moreover, an induction weekend and there was this woman called an Daniels who was a mother to toddler triplets, who, I think his marriage wasn't going that well. She was not sports your outdoors, a tool. She cried away through the induction weekend and it was also of women like this, and they did it.

This five times, a fool who is selected just from ordinary women and it responsibly mug vicious. So they had seven thousand biscuits to get in through the train, such wholesome, Prince good, Sir, the husband, his kids, yet not nothing else, and yet they made it and now they're a bunch of them are explorers, though Antonios is one of Britain's leading DORA she's done ten polar she's amazing when they got back, we have thirty dress. I must have beginner had a lot of them diplomatic receptions and things to go. She there must have done a lot of hope, nothing and secured all my ailment style here. Don't worry, I hadn't mild. Actually, my oh my thumb and it's just this pop up. ok it's time for a point of fact that a show- and that is an a night like this, which is that the character of Don Corleone.

in the novel the godfather was based on the off his mother, which is great cause when he was a godfather. Small and brandy service is a completely different character, but this is the guy. You wrote the book. Mario Poos, oh said that he'd never met a gangster alot of people assume because it was kind of such real portrayal that he'd been embedded in gang life. He is never Magda, and so he said whenever the godfather opened his mouth in my books. In my own mind, I heard the voice of my mother and he describes his mother's having the wisdom, the ruthlessness at the unconquerable love for her family and for life itself, but his mother, he was from an italian emigrant family lived in New York,

and his father was committed for schizophrenia, quite alone in his life. So his mother re seven children on her own long and was clearly this nother formidable woman be side that he relates as his mother being similar to is things like when the father was committed to the asylum he could have returned, but the mother made the decision not to let mouse please. I said that she thought he'd be a burden on the family and he says that's a very mafia decision that I know. them away please. I also said that when ever he heard Brando speak the lines he could hear his mother's voice. Yes, I arts mum again They say like properly, even in the movie interpretation of it, yeah. Ok, the other really really weird thing about Maria Bozo. The godfather was the second

novel. He wrote based on his mother. He wrote one called the fortunate pilgrim that was his second book and the main character, and that is the woman could Lucida Centre and he said that she is based on his mother's. While those publishing read the fortunate pilgrim and said let one didn't we love the book, but that one tiny gangster character hook up. That was good, that you could expand that as an anti went away where the godfather, because of us, do amazing things just how successful it was because his first to novels and total her, don't him six thousand five hundred dollars so his lifetime any for books of that point, with six nine thousand, I'm so glad things have changed with books. It was really interesting his career because he had ridden these failed novels and eat desperately wanted to be an author, and it was only into his forties that he then started writing the godfather and that's where his life changed, and he knew that this was The last attempt, if, if it didn't work, he was going to do something else and he tried to work further

but he worked for Stanley, a one point when Stanley was doing comic books and he was almost a comic book Reiser, but he just couldn't make it work really, but we can had Maria Whoso Spiderman unhappy with knife, is a godfather I'll. Stick to that I think been bitten by radioactive horses. Had isn't really we It have Maria Theresa Superman because he's the screenwriter behind Superman, one in Sooth man too, with customary icy, cold, say yes, but it is great story that when he was writing screenplays posts father wanted to hear I've got anxiety, realizing it I'm an author of adapted my books into being screenplays by don't really know how to do this, so he bore a book on screen, writing and he said he had to stop reading. It goes in the first chapter. The books Study Godfather one model, screenplay separate with your novel cause, he's used characters from we're alive in the latest. One kissing Emma are any family members gonna look at that

Hang on us. I know I've written to novels and absolutely none of my characters or events have been based on any persons in real life shop programme. Reading that of hard. Now, of course, I have what is it They say that when there's a writer in the family there's a traitor, clouds does a there's really grim part in the UN and Poos, those books that didn't make the fell. The I read you know come and how old I was when I read the book, but I was a kid or a young teenager that absolutely mortified end and distressed me and it was a very early clue of what the Hollywood scene was like way before Harvey. Why

Spain, and all that, do you know the PA. I mean where it that there is a famous Hollywood produce and it's it's it's a tiny little blinking, you, Mr Detail, where he sleeps with a very young girl of about twelve or thirteen, and it says since his wife died his husband so broken that he can only get arouse by very, very young girls who had taken to him to sleep with by their mothers, in the hope that he'll put them in a film and it describes the scene,

where this this this young girl, is being held up by her mom. That, then makes you feel better about the gruesome way that this producer is then treated and obviously then left out of the of the film, because it's not there, but even in the book. That's that's a part of it that when I first ready as a young go myself that really stuck with me is that what they do is that one happens in Hollywood. It's just really interesting how that bit was really bypassed and a massive clear- and I wonder how much poos oh did know about the indecision, how how common knowledge that was. I think we blown this open in that prison had some kind of amazing prescient of psychic does he was not involved in Hollywood? It also you would not have known, but he could see see into gangsters. He could see to Hollywood. He's saw the sinister the crime world causing enormous nice there

heavily involved in the foaming if the godfather the maharajah, it's this crazy story, they only allowed the godfather to be made on the grounds that the word mafia was never spoken. So this was because they wanted to film in New York. They hunt filming yoke, they couldn't you to set it, wouldn't let real and the mob paucity. Over the time. Mrs guy could show Colombo Senior and he Bessy said the producer of ruddy. Ok, you can't mention the mafia, because the mafia doesn't exist. Nay, we don't know, there's not a thing and it is going to give it time emigrants a bad name. This was while he was running ahead of one of them.

Gangs and NEO there's a damage, the mafia and also we want all the proceeds from a premiere. Just the premier freed. I got him so they broke up and terrible. It works. It works and Albert Ruddy. He actually promised all the premier proceeds. Perhaps an awfully these studio then went back on that promise, which must have a terrifying moment for ruddy when they set of we're. Not she gonna pay them him going

ok, what's gonna happen to me. Bout goodies as we no longer need die for the red carpet is just gotta, be naturally red actually think. I love about the book as well as the Pisa wrote it from research didn't known gangsters, but he met gangsters through the success of the book. You flatter refuse to believe that he'd never been a gangster himself and then mafiosi themselves. They started doing the cheek to cheat kisses based on the movie. Let no one call each other godfather before visited, and then it that became a mafia term. The mafia basically are tribute tags.

but novel the godfather these days, and if they ve had this under your in serious trouble, you ve something else that came up in his book which didn't make it in. Did you got three about this or you will have read it shop rack? This is the sub plot about Connie's, so in a country that ordinary under way at the start, maid of Honor Lucy Man Chinee, he has of the joint. That's too big, yeah yeah, suddenly bizarre plot she's going out with sunny a few member, the character of sunny, but he can go out with her and it works because he's quite well in doubt and then he doesn't lost the first film even and I think she struggles and that's why I forgot about that continue just said and of course, the memories of how I felt reading matter of coming flooding back to me- and I am thinking perhaps I was probably too young to read that book

because she was she was gorgeous. Woman she's describes a gorgeous when his pink buggy funny it was so graphic. It was that because ski stuff, you home with Africa. How funny that as a bloke, he sat down and he created this character of that needed. and it s not ignore female authorise it once you get enough, it is not a woman is written. That is also play.

About God I was irrelevant. Storyline need to know that in dozens of people and frankly I really hope you know how is publisher, read the previous book, spotted that tiny mafia character and went through a whole think about that. I really hope he so that cannot claim that the Big Fanny Lady, that's the next book. Ok, that's it! That's all of our facts! Thank you. So much for listening. If you'd like to getting contact with any of us about the things that we have set over the course of this podcast we can be found on our twitter account, I'm on it I and Andy do Hunter, Chaparral, shocking sandy and Anna. You can email program that you I don't come or you can go to our group account, which is that no such thing or you can go to our website. No such thing as a fish dot com, our previous episodes or their do check him out also to go to the website to fine tickets or upcoming, tore. We start October. This year were going to do

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