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for world around us starts right now. It's not often that I interview a corporate leader on Super self, but my guest today Bob I girl, has led a global company with such intention integrity and clear vision. I believe he someone we can learn from about a lot more than business, so many of us grew up watching Disney films, the magic and storytelling. So powerful generations of fans have been captivated ever since Mickey Mouse Steamboat. It is way onto the silver screen and nineteen. Twenty eight Disney has set the bar in imagination with a whole lot of heart, animated movies theme, parks, television and blockbuster feature films. The two hundred fifty billion dollar company is one of the greatest american success stories in modern history.

Today I sit down with the man behind the last fifteen years of Disney's, unprecedented growth in success, chairman and c o bob eager in his new member, the right of a lifetime bob. I got, looks back on his forty plus year career in the entertainment business. He shares the tough choices he's had to face the greatest lessons learned and the best advice he's been given I've known Bob for over three decades. We first met when he was the President of ABC entertainment. Bob ushered the Walt Disney Company into the future, with the acquisitions of Pixar animation. Studios Marvel Comics, Lucas, film and Twentieth Century fox. He is also the driving force behind Disney's upcoming streaming service Disney, plus, I believe Bob Eager is one of the greatest business leaders of our time

so you finally written this book- and I know that for a long time publishes we're trying to get you to write a book, and you always said no. Why did you finally say? Yes? Why did you finally say? Yes? Well, it was all timed sorcerer to when I was going to leave Disney which is this year, and I thought because so many people have asked me for advice, particularly young. People with a secret to your success. I'm sure you get a lot of that. What's Well, one leadership lesson: you could teach us because mass so often I thought it would be nice that it down it would be nice to write it down equally, I can still remember it. While is fresh in my mind, so that I can give it to people and the timing would work little did I know that the timing really work, because I'm still at work as you were thinking This would be the end. This would be the sort of swan song. Yes, I thought this would be proof time to write down

greater retrospective, my own yeah, of this Incredibly wonderful personal experience, yeah. I have to tell you right of a lifetime. Surprise me, because, obviously I read a lot of books. I see a lot of corporate bookseller, rent, a lotta leadership books and I wasn't sure you being CALM called reserve person that you are that you would open up your life. The way you have done in the ride of a lifetime and allow us in was that hard for you at first because this is like normally what you do now relating people when it isn't, it was not as hard as I thought it would be. Once I concluded that unless I did, I wouldn't be able to write a good book or tell a good story right, we're in the business of telling great stories. I should have known going into this that offered to tell a good story you have. It has to come from within The heart from a writers hard from a characters, heart and so something

along the way, and I realise that to tell the story: that I wanted to tell em to teach what I wanted to teach in this book to others. I had to be completed, open and generous was what was within me, but I read it. Early cover to cover, and in the end, in the back, where you're thinking people- I don't remember, It was you thanking you said it's harder. I thought it would be yes, yes, someone publish noticing that I was much harder than its outward here, not because of a gaping touch with way in herself, and it just was more time. Consuming in because is my words in my story. Getting it right was more important than anything else I think I've ever created. You say the prologue. This book is not just for aspiring ceos of the world. To anyone wanting to be less fearful, more confidently themselves as they navigate professional and even personal lives. Those are such good

and for this audience in particular, are super saw audience. Does this mean that you are fearless? I often say to people that I I was probably born with either no beer, gene or very small one night. I dont know why, or maybe I was I was as I being raised. I was I was raised to be fearless I don't know, but I dont I'm I'm in these all the time. What gives you up at night? What word makes you afraid in it I heard you know, had a variant had an old time identifying what that is don't wake up afraid. I don't. I don't approach things with that. A mindset, so let's talk about to a working a are allege. One of my favorite moments in the book is rude. Haulage, your boss, Your mentor you're working hard you're doing, all these hours and you're, both state,

at the urinal I mean I call that letting us in debated whether drive that are not worthy of being too graphic like I could picture it, Bob, ok and what is injured about it. I was thought I always wondered what guys talk about it, you're is like Looking straight ahead, we actually have a conversation about that long, dark secret here, you're standing their value. Let you in you standing next to somebody's, it's, not a stall, yeah! Guess women more. Are you yes I'll? There's no wall between the two of you and This is your boss, you kind of forced to have some kind of conversational. How are you isn't it nice day day happening about the weather? You don't want to look anywhere substrate, that's what I thought,

I did not have that much interaction with them at the time he was the big boss, and so was often that I was standing next to him with an opportunity to talk, but I didn't want to seem opportunistic. I got the gotta here. Well is vulnerable, they can ask him some penetrating and he asked you how you were doing some days. I I have tough time giving my head above water, and I guess it particularly tough day, and I don't I couldn't- I cannot remember well going on. I have no idea, but I remember him responding so quickly and in such a plan trading way get a longer snorkel like a kid. How do you think that stuff you yeah? I just think you that years near the urinal, your boss says get a longer snorkel, zip up in the treaties Thank you very much words of wisdom from the Big Box and then, when he's out the door you like, I should have said,

something else where workers are. You know in a way I took his responses are put down. I felt I think I felt kind of small the well I never list for the day. I never. I never said that think anybody else like what's up, as you now believe, then being total optimists. You say that nobody wants to be led by a pessimist. That's very true! Yeah, I think of theirs One thing that will live with me, from the right of a lifetime. Is emphasis on innovation, and you say I think, there's a whole chapter devoted to you innovate or die, so you that early from, I think room. Yes, yes, yes, room was a big risk takers and you know he believed that if you just pleaded safe you'd, never do anything yeah and he also was quite aware, which is very interesting back then in the seventies, really when I started working for him

that the world was was changing fast and nothing was going to stay the same. You couldn't stay the same, which basically men had to continue to evolve. Innovate not just to stay with the but to maintain and to relevant and, it be ahead of the curve? And so I love you, that's the key to your success with Disney one of the keys to my success here being tied to that is, just being capable of taking big risk and also relentless perfection which you talk about here. Yes, you're, that's a concept! I love you talk about that. I describe it as I saw then someone else. First, I I went to Tokyo. I had dinner at a renowned restaurant, I called you J, ai, our oh, there had been a documentary done of this than eighty eight year old Association at one three miss

when stars for this tiny restaurant in a subway station in Tokyo supposed to be there reservation in the world in one of the most unique dining experiences you could ever have so I was take to him and the hinder in in the dock. Mentoring. I went to restaurant ultimately, two witnesses first hand, but in the documentary someone describes them as applying the term called Shokhin japanese word and when I looked it up as the relentless pursuit of perfection thing for the of society for the good of others. It this guy was eighty, eight years old, who had already won all this a claim for his his sushi making and he was still trying to get better, what he did it. Wasn't it wasn't it? It wasn't that he was driven to be more successful. He was driven just to be better at what he did. He had no reason really at least outwardly too need that are to even want that, but yet he did and was very variant

thing to me and what it reminded me of Enron or knowledge in many respects. This was this way too. Who is often people settle for something that may they may feel is good, with more work. More time were resources just more along, as I also heard an article you can make a great, and so why are we in the business of always trying to make something? Great? Of course, It's easy to say. Of course, we are where we want everything to be great, but it doesn't mean just because you want something to be great. You apply yourself to get the fat, relentless pursuit of perfection, isn't being a perfection ass. It is not setting mediocrity, erect not giving up. He was born, Robert Alan eager on Long Island, his father Amy veteran his mother a junior high librarian. How can I, grandparents took me to see. Cinderella movie ever saw in after a short,

as a local weather man. I real dream was to be Walter Cronkite I wanna be a television journalist. I shall I want to be an Ackerman. His big break came nineteen seventy four when he was hired as a studio supervisor at ABC what first jobs working with breaks. Trot and Madison Square Garden. Bob Agar then the next three decades, climbing the corporate ladder Thirdly, overseeing the ABC network. He put shows I'll. Remember, like home improvement in my bt, blue and desperate housewives Oh, my god! She got it the day she died and many others on the tv line up. In nineteen ninety six Disney boy. Abc in one largest entertainment mergers of the time. Nine. There's later Bob Eiger would take over for Michael Eisner become

the sixth ceo in Disney's ninety five year history. There is such a wonderful quote that you using the book about your dad cause. You're dead suffered from depression. It was a severe manic, depressive yeah, and a lot of people take that on the burden of what there errants experience and they take that on. You took it on and you did it in a much different where you decided, I will not be this person writers yet ass, one of the club said, move me so much is actually early on in the book. You right, I attended ethical. College and spent nearly every weekend night, my freshman software you're making Peter what I've got babies, few asian high school, but academics was never my passion, something click for me. When I went to college, I was: u turn went to work, hard, learn as much as I could learn, I think that too was related to my father, a function never wanting. This is what got me? Never one to experience the same,

I a failure that he felt about himself I Didn'T- have a clear idea of what success meant: no specific vision of being wealthy or powerful, but I was determine Whatever shape my life took, I told myself there wasn't a chance in the world that I was going to tell shake my life took. I told myself, there wasn't a chance in the world that I was going I thought wow, how old were you when you had figured that out already wow. How old were you when you had figured that out already very young. He was tormented by self disappointment at a very young age when I say very young of ten eleven twelve years old and then I I discussions with him about it later in life. I also spoke with my mother about it as well. The sun. She shoes to me, often as

I guess it away step into his shoes in the household as us as someone who is more stable,. I'm more measured. I also support your. I felt that that responsibility, but I also assume that coat little man and I have yet to speak. Yes, wasn't. I didn't ever feel that I was burden by it, but I felt it but in his case his profound personal self disappointment. The present in his and our housing is a relationship with it was a working man who provided for the family and barely you lost many jobs, because that his depression did, melted in frustration and anger, and did you all know that it was depression? Did you know to call it depression, then. Yes, I was aware that he got electric shock treatment When I was young, I was aware that he was on a number of different medications, but also what we You speak in the book a of a lifetime about the fact that

who you are is a product of as all of us. At your end nurturing so coming from that father, from your mother also Well, yes, I I I I clearly. I have no idea what were genes. I was confused that contributed to solve this, but clearly no idea what what genes? I was confused with that contributed to solve this, but clearly my upbringing had a lot to do with it and one, we what my parents gave me four and taught me some of the lessons were difficult, like the one we just we just discussed had a profound effect on who I became. I am yeah. I appreciate what you say page forty five, you say I didn't want to be in the business playing its safe. I wanted in the business of creating possibilities for greatness of all the I learned that first year Running ABC Prime time the need to be comfortable. With failure, was the most profound you earn as much a

goodwill by standing by some one in the wake of a failure, as you do by giving them credit- for a success, and I read this thought I think people think of fear here is practically anti american really hard for people to accept failure? How did you do that? Well, I'd buy where I don't put a and unfair failure good in any way, but you know that what the rent is. A company is mostly gonna creating telling stories The great creativity and creativity can be reduced in any way to science or mass. Something's wrong. Something, yes, guess. Huge amount of risk executed well on. Its to failure. Not everything will work at somebody's idea that has to be executed well and they're all kinds of factors that stand in the way of executing something well or of an idea. Basically not being fulfilled, and so it becomes

not only inevitability, but something you must learn how to process. I believe in you in order to be great at creativity, in other words, in order to take big bats and all- to be bold. In order to try new ideas, you, Have to be willing to fit. You have to be willing to fail, because you, you know going into every one of these things that there's no guarantee that the work in the most import Because when failure Carter's, we sit dynamic, often does you must know how to prosper? particularly with the people who have a responsible for it, created the idea in people who are involved with it. Helping see it through when you got the job C, O chairman Soussio, ok Germany, I'm next to seventeen next out, you get a job and you and me he at least start innovating. I mean at the time Michael Eyes and air, if you read the book, want they hold I'd story, there'd been

I'm going on between Michael Eisner, Steve Jobs, Pixar there had been some distance, they're. Just Andrea relationship was totally fractured, was totally fractured and you pick up the phone. You call Steve jobs without a hard phone call. No, no, nothing to lose, and the reason Did that is because I had in my mind that in the job the priorities? I need to figure out where we're going to do with animation, which is such an important business to Disney in Pixar, had been such a valuable partner to us, then some point. I had to figure out whether that relationship was fixable or not and that he was typical Steve. How long have you worked for Michael Eisner? I said five years and he said why should I think everything is a ten years, sorry c o o for fire, your. Why shaving everything's gonna be different with you in the job, and I said I just want a chance to prove that it will they give me that chance himself over the dust, settles come up and talk and that's what began

a relationship with him. I didn't really have one ultimately resulted in now he is buying Pixar Steve becoming our largest shareholder in a member of our board, then a very good friend of mine. I think get an insight into Steve jobs that I've never seen before. Even reading the the biography of him the sight of him that we didn't know you became really close. And with him, and he actually I'll do about the cancer that moment on the bench describe that moment on the bench We were announcing the acquisition of Pixar from Pixar. We had got up to fix our headquarters and Emory California. It was seven point four billion dollar acquisition, and we would be announcing it at around one o clock, California, time after the stock market closed and we were symbols in a conference room waiting for the announcement to be made, I didn't showed up at the door and said:

finger at me. I did to this and said: can we go for a walk and I thought he wants to this- can't be good, he wants to get out of the deal or he wants more money or you want something. I just thought what why want to go for a walk with me on the brink of making this. Gallic about and we went for a walk. The Pixar campuses, beautiful campus, with beautiful walking. Hats, and there was a bench- met the tourist sector, they put his arm behind me on the bench of this very interesting. I wasn't close with them at this point, I was getting close, and he said I M going to tell you something that might only my doctor and my wife knows well, and he had. Cancer. Few years earlier was announced and he was operate on an edict declared himself cured. It was a form of packard the cancer there was operable- and this was a few years after that

nothing has been said more about his illness or about his medical condition, because it was assumed he was fine and he said- and I he said to me: I'm telling you something: Loreen jobs, his wife and and my doctor knows: you can't tell anybody else, I'm thinking this is got. This has got to be momentous were you thinking, then, that the cancer combat what we said Doc either. I immediately thought something bad here. He said I need you to know. My cancerous comeback gave me some details and I said Are you telling me this and he said I'm giving you a chance to get out of the deal as it gets. The deal I looked at my watch. There was a clock ticking at this point. This we're going weeds, weird announced, suppress cover, we're going to alive to the world to tell everybody about this deal. I thought my goodness less than an hour. We have to tell everybody this and what

going to do. I had no idea what my responsibilities where he was becoming a member of the board and our largest shareholder. You know we're by picture. We are buying Steve Jobs and said you needed more, and he told me that he had a fifty fifty chance of living for five years, and I said Can you tell me more tell me at metastasized whose liver. I think I even ass give me some more perspective him. He said My son is high school going to grow for years, I'm going to be at his graduation son red while the something very powerful. In that statement, that he so determined to live and was very meaningful? made it was so it came so from from from deep within him. And I could tell he was emotional about it. Look. I have no idea what my legal responsibilities are here. You have my word. I won't tell people at I, dont, really, know. What the right thing to do here is from a corporate perspective, but my senses that we should go through

I'm not gonna back. I appreciate the opportunity and am I said a lot about him and about you well suggesting I never said I haven't really thought much about what it said about me, other than may be I just didn't cause it lay. Was it like? It was a difficult moment because of evil I wasn't attached him at that point, the sky was telling me that he was very ill. Couldn't be good things dying and he was talking about his kids and I felt terrible for him. So I had that going on. I wasn't we are concerned about the so called the corporate side two thousand early, two thousand and six in the tariff two thousand eleven and I made the graduation we made it education. He made that and a lot more what he did in that period of time. In terms His life and an apple is just extraordinary, and the heroism that he exhibited in that period of time.

Such incredible pain. And then I love this moment when Lorraine and to you. She tells you but the moment Steve TAT. Her that he has told you and She says: can we trust him Steve Jobs says about you. I love that guy she told me that at the cemetery she I've never told you my side of that story. We never discussed it and it was about become him coming home that night after the announcement, as you said, he she asked him whether he told me he said I did. They had partly had quite a disk, should have not an argument. The night. Before about how you items I had discussed so she said, did you tell him then he said I did Can I trust that guy she tells, the cemetery. I love that he said I loved. I look like I knows a moment what I

really gained from the book is that you certainly know how to compartmentalize. And you also what struck me was that you look at every crisis or a catastrophe as a puzzle. Most people follow, heart. You see it as a puzzle. Is that something you think people can learn, or it's just the way you operate well. I think it is something people can learn, because it is the first thing you have to realise when you're faced with some kind of crisis or some thing, that's better- challenging or difficult. This is not going to go away if you ignore it or if you minimal, yet I'm form you have to deal with it. So the puzzles one you put the in front of you and to you, then try to figure out. How do you solve it? I have a choice and these jobs, particularly when something particularly bigger, pour or some crisis arises. Well, we can't will them away. You can rely on others just to take care of it, particularly

this world, whether track that you open the right of a lifetime. You with and the more horrible moments of your entire life. Only so I want you set the scene for everybody. Ten years you're you're working on opening the biggest thing parking ever in Shanghai for eighteen years. First of all, none of us who heard about that opening agenda that much time many meetings with prime ministers and people and Mcgovern had had transpired for all the troops and all their trips. How many troops at the time we open at least forty forty trips ten in the six months leading up to I was going on every other week for at some point we are leading up to its opening. I was I had already given a good part of my life career to that one project which representatives of the huge for company. Two weeks you realize you know Walt Disney, Disneyland, gave the world sort of the quintessential theme

I can maintain fifty five. We had opened others in Orlando. It in Paris in Tokyo, mankind. This will bringing walls a vision of a theme to mainland China the most people this country in the world a country that would have been unheard of in Waltz Day and even my early days we will be able to build Disneyland their partners and it's a big Landis thing. Even hang on for eighteen years and then you get well. The first thing that happened was there was a there- was a terrible the club shooting in Orlando, multiple people and killed and injured the immediate process that they go. There was a pulse. Shooting grass is to try to figure out. Whether any of our people were there and you will have a way of asking whether your people were there. Yes, we ran over two hundred thousand employees so you can chat track where your people are: yes, we have procedures in place, so you would go, to your mind is

now dimension that you later learned that the shooter had come to Disney. First, we the first target. We were his first target and he said he had done surveyed our property before that night. So we were the target and just by happenstance that night there was a heavy metal concert at the house of blues. There were other then called downtown Disney region dining, and there came an area subsequently been renamed that night, because there is a heavy metal concert. There was more security than normal, so would have. It was when he went He saw more security there that night than he had seen previously, and so A harder target will mean was basically much tougher for him. There was a metal detector, there were plain clothes and and uniform police there was just a security since their that he didn't expect you turn around and left well and then we return

subsequently. He he had Google, clubs in Orlando and where the first search result went to where there was road construction. He couldn't get close to it and the next result was the pulse nightclub. Tat it was a chilling aroma cause he's jealous and how soon after the pulse shooting did you get the next phone call the pulse shooting was on the weekend and we send them of Disneyworld who had been with us in Shanghai for the opening back to our deal with the aftermath of the pulse, shooting and if it was wednesdays, who I think it was Sunday that we are well aware of the pulse shooting the details and an enchanting high, and that on Wednesday I was touring our board, directors at Shanghai, Disneyland walking around the park, and the head of our parks resorts grew Bob shave. It came over to me Tell there was a look on his face. A new right away, something had happened, in my mind, I'm still thinking about a nightclub shooting

and he said, and alligators as attacked or taken a child we don't know more details, so when you got Details, obviously in any who's been in any kind of situation where there is a stability of bee sued or there is a possibility of admitting to gild everybody involved. Especially the lawyers say. Don't call don't Anything keep quiet, let us figure this out and you not allow that to happen. No first of all, I thought it was such a terrible thing to experience for that family to witness their own child being killed by an alligator and it affected all of us deeply because you have a sense of responsibility there on our property and I didn't

many details at that time in terms of how it possibly could happen, but I felt this deep sense of again responsibility. And felt that, as the CEO the company. I had to accept that responsibility and to do so in a personal fashion or the family directly and in a public fashion as a harder I'll call you ever had to make yes by far by foreign Did you know what you were going to say before you got on the phone? No, I had the first thing I did was. I had dictated a public statement that I thought we should make that I should make to my team and and I decided that I had to speak with the parents. I didn't know whether they would want to speak with me mad and militia graves, but I wanted to try. So what did you say? Well, and told them who I was obviously where I was they see to be aware of that that I was in Shanghai, then I was far away

I wanted to know because I thought they might expect that I would. I would crazy that yet I told them that I was a grandparent and apparent for kids that point as a I three grandchildren and I cannot fathom what it might what it must feel, like as a child. I just college for not having appropriate words, but that I to save not only how deeply I felt for the family for their loss, but I wanted to offer my help it anyway. I could give him- I said to him. I asked: is there anything I can do and I was surprised when he responded by in matter fact there is increased a thing for him to say so: don't want my son's life to have been lived in vain. You have to promise me that you, We'll do whatever you possibly can to prevent this from. Are happening to another child, and then I said yes, of course, I promise that

and I got off the phone and I immediately assembled my team again, including the head of our global partners or its group object, and I just made this promise. I wanna begin fulfilling it now. What do you do everything we? I want to start now and we did so Disney. Has Pixar and Marvel Lucas Phil? and now the imports and crucially hogs how does all sort of get managed in here well starts with great people The confidence that I haven't them? Then they are met doing it and are going to manage it. Well because, most of the decision, in most of the management of all of those things done, I other people and what's the sheet iron gray, people well exist very few things. I think you you haven't looking for, I look for, but we always look for integrity

look for an enthuse at kind of enthusiasm, but a healthy enthusiasm, people that he did love what they do that are eager, but driven for good right. Eager for good reasons, because they love what they do, that I'm not vessel eager for success or power money or whatever their eager to be good. Because they love they love the business. I love curiosity. Curiosity is such a valuable, valuable attribute Someone and I've set it in. You can't be innovative. You can't go to new places or try new things unless your curious and it's very powerful and some one to look for all those things I like people who just general generally decent people, an authentic real. Not phony. What you see is what you get the collection of things when you, have to make a decision. It appears that you able to dot stew about it. If you're in a difficult challenging situate.

In particular is something that the rest, the public knows, was speaking specifically about Roseanne. A couple years ago, Roseanne had done a tweet that Many people deemed inappropriate. Obviously you did too, and that happened just like bass. Wow tell us about that was interesting She said something in a tweet or express some years. I was just blatantly racist and by I heard about it on literally on my way into my office through the door and It was immediately obvious to me what had to be done immediately. You didn't take days or even hours now it took it, took about five minutes to know what we had to do well and a couple of hours to assemble the right people and communicated appropriately, and then we and we we made it publicly and people said point. I must have been a difficult decision. Often found that the decisions that it

appear to the outside world to be the most difficult to the easiest? May know everybody says a difficult decision. I wasn't that, like the number one, shall you be? The number one show in tv surely number one on ABC tie- and you have to discount that that's totally meaning was. I got that happen quickly over when something is bringing in that kind of revenue. You kid, that's not a fact. Why not have a car station with Roseanne. I didn't think so. There was any circumstance that would make that right. It wasn't apology. There was an context. Look there are times when you see it hear something read something we're context has to be considered in that particular case. And what immediately went through my mind and you have to process for a moment. What could make this? Ok, was it someone else's tweed nowadays was there some sub take that she mean something else. No, it seem completely insensitive completely disrespect

It is very clear that decision was. It was easy to make. What she had done was very, very clear. I do not believe any context could make us in any way better acceptable or could result in this for giving her. So we did it and looking you also know in today's world you if this decision to be made by you, who then make it because otherwise the world will make for you, I ain't, never gonna get you need to control Euro narrative. Let's talk about a lack of Panther. Yes, I wanted we need other been allowed a great days in the fifteen years. That's one of the highlights. Yours highlight real yeah and now that it would not happen without you. Not only did you give the green light for it, but you did the thing that it needed to use I'm gonna not just green light it. But I want to give you the money and the support and the team and the system to do what you,

to do right. Yes, yeah, untasted experience so personally, fulfilling and professionally filling we felt for a while that we did to infuse our story in general. The marvel in particular with more diversity. We'd, not Dunham, super movie, which is marvels business, where the lead was a woman and we did not do what we have one that were where the superior was black and the issue of the character like Panther and so in conversation with Marvel. We d I did that we would green light as they say in our business or give approval for them to make a woman, Superhero movie has captain marble and a black superhero movie, based on the black Panther character, fact and movie. It was primarily black characters and actors, placing a method black country called, will conduct and they hired the Marvel people, and there was a bit of an argument about it, because we put a lot into these.

Homes in order for them to succeed now just creatively but commercially, they have to succeed in countries well beyond the United States and territory. Then there are always been that argument that black sounds don't do well overseas. Yes, yes, women's, breyer of illicit work. I've been around so long and I had been told but over the years. Well, this can't work, and that can work and time after time after time? There's a lesson I have learned is that a lot of those people believe serve shibboleth, sir, things that no longer apply in today's world. Trade in the world changes so much. The world has changed some out jet and they get it goes back to needing to innovate, means recognised much the world is change needed to be bold, taking risks all this thing and also phenomena. Doing what you believe was right when you believe was right and you had to convince everybody else it. This was the right decision. We apparently

we can't ever came a phenomenon, but let me tell you this: the other day. Someone call me and asked me for comment about. You cause I've known Bob, since we had a bottle and I think this is a Wall Street journal- and I said to the I look I know how you gonna ask we all these questions. I only want to say one thing to you, and that is if Bob Eiger had decided to run for president, I would a canvassing in Iowa right now I would be going order door. I would be doing. I said I always pictured myself standing on somebody step in Brooklyn and you'll Oprah. What are you doin here and I like? Let me too about my friend Bob. Why didn't when for president, I wish first of all, then ever every day. I think I will have done it. I wish we d deeply flattered. That's got residual

as no Burma and his family a few times. Yes is kids and his wife clearly believe that I had the better job. He never admitted that I did, but I Michel and the girls its when I talk to them they they rely had the better job. Will you ever run now now? Well, I think you did a great job with this. Thank you. It has been the right of a lifetime by title, continues to be the right as a little riding. Little did. I know I'd still be on the right. The good one thinking was great. Thank you good Bobby, I'm ruined me. And you ve been distinct, supercilium conversations the pod cast. You can follow superficial on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook if you haven't get good apple, plod, CAS unsubscribe rate and reveals this punk guest join me next week for another supersonic conversation. Thank you for listening.