His New York Times number one best-seller, “The Untethered Soul,” is one of the books that is always on Oprah’s nightstand. Author and spiritual teacher Michael Singer reveals practical methods for allowing feelings to pass through you without taking over your life. He says spiritual growth begins by learning to silence the negative thoughts in your mind. Oprah says Michael Singer will “help you find a greater sense of inner peace.”
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I'm over Winfrey welcome to supersede conversations the podcast. I believe that one of the most valuable gives you can give yourself is time taking time to be more fully present your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper the round us starts right now described by the media as intensely private Michael Sing, where's known for two very different roles: he's the founder of a multi million dollar software company and he's a spiritual author. I was first introduced to Michael through his beautiful little book called the on tethered. Oh, it's by my bed stand right. Now he writes about how he found inner peace and happiness and says any one of us can Do it too? Well, let me just tell you how this came to be. Did I tell you this already how they came to me that I discovered your book I had,
about six or seven girlfriends, at my ranch in Maui, I have the blessing of having a lovely ranch space in Mali and for my birthday at the end of this wonderful three, four days, someone handed me Peggy, Fitzsimons left on the kitchen table, the untutored soul, this level but I thought okay and then I saw De Pox notes. Liner notes read this book carefully and you will get more than a glimpse of eternity. I like that and the very idea of the unfettered cells have achieved. What is that the on tethered cell, so I started reading it first power one is about awakening consciousness, which we ve talked a lot about. On opera show and did a ten part series with a totally on the web back in two thousand and eight.
What I realise is that there are many paths in to understand this way of consciousness, and you talk about in the very first chapter the voice in your head, and you did DR did in such great terms, I started reading. I didn't put the book down. Luckily I had you know enough time on that particular and I ve now shared it with? I can't tell you how many people and couldn't wait to be able to share it with everybody else exciting. So what is this? it's inside our head of something we listen to a regular basis. A problem is, we think it's US So, for example, you look at a and assess the necessary trusting shape, but I really like the color that much remains my grandmother's laws. and all this, and we have somebody narrating in talking inside her head. That is not that's, not you yet life, those all your thoughts about the vice and
more and more as a watch that I realize it never shuts up that is Cox about everything and judges, everything it thinks about everything. Right right in the early seventies, Michael singer was a young economic students studying for his doctrine. Sitting with a friend one day. He noticed a lull in their conversation. In that quiet little low moment, he became aware of the thoughts that were running through his head. He realized that voice that incessant voice, that expresses worries and doubts and anxieties was not really him, but he was the observer of the voice that inner dialogue was an expression of his psyche, not his soul, and that was the beginning of his awake. And that was my path. I was a beginning, my path, so what happened? Actually in that moment now that you can describe, I know a cartel. He has said that that is the aware ass, the voice, the
wherein is of the thoughts or their awareness of the voice inside your head is where consciousness resides, and that is who we really are. So that's what you came to. Yes, that was the that was your open door to the path to understanding yourself as a spiritual being inside physical human body with a mind, and isn't this the most important thing ever period get that period period bar none is those that to the spiritual gas To understand that you are a spiritual being and the way to understand that you are a spiritual being is to know that you are not those gods. That's the key I guess that so far we can say what you are. We because that's a fought right right. That's just you know you're, not the fort. Why does I'm watching, Yes, you are there watching these thoughts and some people say to me, but which are those run me. None of them were you you're the wars ok, so I got this. I share this view of heard it before when I was
in India? I got, it really clearly mean I understood it through a car to have understood through transit the I really got it. I was in India earlier this year, and there was a he who was leaving me in meditation and just the two of us, and he had me he said close your eyes and now I'm going to name different objects and one was a red triangle and one was the moon and one was a you know why pick offensive whatever all these subjects- and he said hold onto the object in your mind and then, when I named the next subject, let it go. What realized in that conscious moment, was that that's what's happening all the time red triangles and picket fences and chairs and thought about everything are coming in and you can let those thought I'm not good enough. I lost my job and believe he left me. I can't really. My kids director fought their thoughts. They are not. You
you're, not you. So how do we began to separate ourselves from the thoughts? That's the question: why that's that's the keep! What I love that you said is that really is the beginning spirit That leads to separate what you're not from what you are. If you don't do that, rather than a stay lost, the selfish spiritual, the one is watching, is the gateway to spirituality. So if you continue to just get involved in the mind and enforced mine this true spiritual path doesn't take place, so you asked is big, wonderful question: who are you who are you. And the answer when I ask you that question is at this stage of my growth, who I am is the one who's in here. Who notice has the floor? come up, who noticed the emotions come out of the heart and who see whatever is in front of my senses. the seer. I am the one who sees the one who see the one who sees ok
and you also talk about the loose itself? What is that whose itself example. We use in the book is that you can have a lucid dream in which some people know about that that instead of your lost it during the sometimes you know, you're dreaming the red one. Oh I love it when you are aware that your dreams again and then I've had them to the point where they can get out of his during those beautiful your eye. So you are then more. Conscious in that dream, normally would be like yours, you're, awake and essential awake within the dream. Yes, that is what the loose itself is now do that in your real life. That your mind is continuing. Life is following in front of you, but you are aware that your mind It is moving that the world is unfolding, but your seat of consciousness is transcendence that centred at a deeper level and all of it just goes right by in Europe the same relationship with that you used to have it something you're watching not something you or something you're watching. Not something,
you are, and I would say- and you just think agreed with me- that for every lady who is seeking, whose seeking this path of opening themselves up to being able to live in a deeper, more enriched life that understanding that concept is the most important thing. That's it period. There are a few books over the years, spiritual books by spiritual teachers that have really been staples for opening the heart space. For me, which is how I define spirituality, and I would tell anybody who is looking for a more deepened enriched fulfilling life and looking to change your perception of who you are and looking for me, calls to correctly? This is this? Is the gift of giving it to everybody, so thank you, I'm running out of people to give it to so now, just sharing it with the world, as I can call the on tethered soul
You say if you really want to grow real spiritual growth happens when there only one of you inside. There is not a part that scared and another part, that's protecting the part that scared all parts or unified, because there's no part of you that you're not willing See that's what being a whole person is. Isn't it that's integra, true integrity, your integrated as being wow? That's it isn't that what we're all here to figure out how to do that, but it's easy. We make it hard, but is actually very, very easy. I love this too for everybody who's on the spiritual path. Opening up your heart. Won't you! the commitment to free yourself of that scared person inside you ll notice. It there's a clear decision point at which are growth takes place. You just noticed something starts to change. Spiritual growth is about the point at which you start to feel your energy changes
so basically event is happening outside you talk to somebody enjoying the conversation and almost they say something that hit something inside of your saw spot and your mind you hard shores to close your minds. To figure out. Why did they say that? Did I say something wrong and you go south you are also right and you notice yourself starting to get involved in that reaction, and so at that moment you have to do. I dwellers solve this does need to be solved and we need to think about it or my willing to just relax and let it pass you're talking about. chapter. Let go or fall right, yes, because if we when something comes in to disturb you. If you don't let it pass right through you, You're saying that it will the
energy of it will drag you down into it and then you become you think you become that thing. So what are we supposed to do when problem show up the moment? It starts with that. Should have chatter remind my my mine, my first reaction in size to relax and lean away from that to go to the city of civil justice, you use words? I just relax and lean away from it. Ok right! Yes, it through you end of leading into the sea to self. How can I lean away from the noise the mind is making by seat of self? I mean that awareness. That is my lines, because, yes, so you gonna do two things once started within a lenient twenty get involved in actual just like all of us. Do you have the right? You have the right to relax, in a way which you can do a start space and you will learn overtime that as the smartest thing you ever did. Why? Because you get room to pass through and it will pass rifle Did this come to you over time? You learned this over
I know I've read your story. You went to gurus you saddle Only meditated you became almost of reclose and EL for most of us. That's not the path we want to take. We just good he's a good we. just want to be able to I'm. I say we, speaking for myself, I was to be able to be connected to that seat of the selfish. That is, ultimately, were God flows through the power of God flows through. How do we begin to make that but for ourselves, though, because I did all of that invite all of that. Yes, I am so proud to come back and tell you know you don't need to do. Then daddy don't do it. All you have to do is get to the point on your everyday life. Every moment of life is a spiritual, spirits, You know that, yes, I, and so I will hear onto and the reason it becomes. A spiritual experience is because you realize you are causing the vast majority of your own problems due to your meant reactions. So as
life unfolds on a daily basis, you have the right to choose. Not to do that, you can still go to work is to think you're the kiss you just lean away from this. This mess that the mind is doing to ample by an over emphasise our exaggerate whatever is going on and then what do we do? lean into what that at awareness is saying what will happen is when you let go of the noisy mind, We will end up in a seat of quiet, which I know you have to talk about your never see of quakers. That's what it is. back. There is a scientist still stillness right. My experience is, now you can look at reality and you will know what to do just the fact you have all static right means the quiet one whose clear, will look at reality and it will be pretty obvious what it is for you to deal with. Yes,
ultimately, I think what we are all seeking, even when we don't know it when I would ask people on the show for years. What do you want? Everybody who say they want happiness, but aren't we all ultimately seeking freedom were seeking a state of absolute well being, and thus a freedom means that one that's what it means it was beautiful when you say, as I know you know, it is the true freedom is freedom from yourself. Yes right, I just one like book ugh unification, go to why rice or sit in the corner over there and go into ecstasy yeah, which one you want, corner of. Ok, though, is the joy is
or sell. Yes, it's just that this mine has gotten colloquially, go all the way to Hawaii and lots of people have done this. You get always highway. You saved your money, you get there and you taking your miserable self. Yes, that's why freedoms, freedom from yourself now either medium for yourself got it. May I just say, get the book, and now you know what I'm talking about, but this chapter I love the boss. Let's go now for the exploration of self is inextricably interwoven with unfolding ones like the natural ups and downs of life, can either generate personal growth or create perseveres, which of these dominates is completely dependent upon how we view, age change which people are so opposed to change can be viewed as either exciting or frightening. But regardless of how we view, we must all face the fact that change is the very nature of life. Now why are we so afraid of change or basic,
happens. Is we ve gone to the mind and said: I'm not ok, how does ever they need to be for me to be ok and then we have our devoted ourselves to try and create that situation. It doesn't work, but we don't know that yet, and so we try to create situations that we think will make us be okay and when things are changing that don't match that model. Yet we get scared scared because it looks like he's, not gonna work. Ok, I love would you say to, and in the next paragraph he said People don't realize. That fear is a thing. Fear is a phase. Thing is just another object in the universe that you're capable of experiencing. He can do one of two things with fear. You can be neither pusher way or young. Let it go yeah right, you need avoided and then be scared of it. Let it pass right through. Ok,
so what do you mean by let go now or fall right? Fear comes up out of your heart. That's a very natural things: human rights! You are watching, you see if you have the right to relax, let it pass right three, if you don't do that, you're gonna, try and fix it in a train control situations outside you, don't ever feel the fear and it all starts to bother you that's what it means, your full and eventually a loser consciousness. You'll forget your whole purpose and you're just be scared. You get scared. You say the alternative is to decide not to fight with life, but that feels like just giving up and letting things take over you don't do them in any way shape or form right. Life is a natural unfolding of reality, you're supposed to harmonise and work with it. You don't give up and let it take over right, you're, like thinking here on a horse and you're scared gap to be very good writer ripe.
Does it mean that horse or if they want you, learn how to interface and interact with life in a wholesome participatory way? Shooting let you do that so letting go of fear is not letting go of life. Ok. The first thing you would tell me to do is what we ve been talking about is to recognise the voice inside your head. Yes, yeah stepped back, be allowed to be in the seat of self, and then the next thing. The next thing is, when you're watching see whether what that voices saying is really helpful and ours, is it really give you good advice, or is it just a narrative voice talking inside your head and you will find it in every situation or in life, there is a higher way to deal with the situation. Of course, there are situations that are difficult to deal with, but there is still a higher way to deal with that situation, then being reactive, which is that in the mines gonna die
so one of my favorite other chapters, it's a chapter, seventeen contemplating death. It's truly a great paradox at one of the best teachers and all of life turns out to be death. No person or situation could ever teach you as much as death has to teach you. While someone could tell you that you are not your body that shows you. I love that line. You weren't, you were in the floor. You write met. Were you not ok? While someone tells you, someone could remind you of the insignificant of the things that you cling to death takes them all away in a second. Well. How to take you to write this, take a load right, the relics, while people can teach you that men and women of all races are equal and that there is no difference between the rich and the poor death certainly makes us all the same love that the question is. Are you gonna wait until that last moment to left let death be your teacher. My favorite line is where you say, let's say: you're living life without a thought of death angel death comes to you and says, come it's time to go, and you say, but no
you're supposed to get me a warning, so I can decide what I want to do with my last week, I'm so as to get one more week. Do you know a death will say to you, given your whole life, What will you do with your whole I've? How did you not be aware that your time, is limiting you're supposed to be using it for something meaningful. Yeah death will say, my god. I gave you fifty two. We this past year alone. I love that and look at all the other weeks. I've given you, why would you need one more? What did you do with all of those? If asked that? What are you going to say? How will you answer it? I was in paying attention. I didn't think it mattered. That's a pretty amazing thing to say about your life. Well done! Mr singer. Well done my other favorite chapter of my new favorite book. The antenna
So is removing your inner thorn. We all have them right. Yes, we do do you still have some thorns. Of course you do. Ok, the spiritual journey is about constant transformation. So you were saying imagine. Can you just do this for audience that whole passage on imagining? You have a thorn in your arm that directly touches a nerve. Can you do that to an allergy using is if you had a thorn that was touching directly to endure so much so that anything that touched it cause pain inside of you. So if you walk to school, to walk through the woods and Vliet touch it, if you weren't able to walk if you were trying to interact with people and caused a disturbance and the key point of it is you have two choices? One You can either try to avoid everything in your life that touches. Therefore- or you can do this amazing alternative, which is taken out all right. If you try to avoid it, you will be voting for it
entire life, it will go on her own doing. Residents were outdoing, we're trot way, we got our thorns in and we don't want anybody to touch them and if they touch of and the irritate our little thorn were upset cause. You shouldn't touch my thorn, that's a whole and that's the game that we play is how do I build a life that avoids touching all this stuff? That happened to me that I can handle when they happen. I couldn't handle it and now it's closed all these saw spots inside of me, though, and thorns so to create a life train. Everybody around me right, so they don't ever Thornley? Your turn? People even say that don't you go there little being yeah yeah right alternative is to understand you can remove their foreign.
Inside of you the same as you can move it outside. If you remove it, you'll never have to think about again, and you can start to enjoy your entire life, and that is spiritual and how that is virtually now. How do you? How do you know what you're thorn is disturbance? Tells you just like pain happens. We need the thorn outside. Yes, disturbance happens, insight, cause it's never what is actually happening right, it's. What is happening is irritating thorn was been there before that's dead, that's so those events will show you I'll get that that's really good. So, even when used Your husband leaves the drawers open or the whatever open, where they let him it's not about. What's going on it's about the thorn that was there so okay, how do we then begin to remove the thorns back to the spiritual journey? Is it not as it is when something hits it, you will feel a disturbance pop up inside of
right you have to choose right, then. What do you do about that? Ok, so by something hitting it mean, meaning you're in a conversation urine your office. Somebody says something: it hits a nerve, you think they have disrespecting they have stepped out of bounds. Nation said bad. Your boss did something your child, it that's the nerve, but what's the difference between that and they really, If there's something the differences, you always start with saying. Do I wanna be disturbed? Do I like being disturbed? Not I don't like being disturbed, so I have a choice. In events happened side I can deal with that of that without being disturbed, I can probably try and deal with it better without being disturbed the service isn't helping. You is hurting you, God, and so you are way better off learning how to deal with a disturbance, and that is also how you remove the thorn they are directly
I did the fact that the situation outside stimulated this disturbance. Inside of you mean it. You ve uncovered something stored inside of you than needs to come out. you say earlier on in the book that we in life are to use our problems as a way through to the spiritual path that those problems that really we should. I don't know whether the word is real toys? But you should be excited about these problems, because these problems are an opportunity for you to look at what really is going on inside. That's a lot of work well That result is all you do is I know you teach all the time it all the time. What do I do and I feel disturbance right, you relax, but
I got him. I just said I was disturbed. How can I like it? I like, let's do something simple like like road rates, which I never understand. Why for the life of me, I can't understand why people get upset about somebody who cut in front of you or somebody who What is that? That's about something else? It's going on right, but something inside of you that that stimulate your inner thorn natural form. she heard aside. Do I want to go out and try to make sure nobody ever goes. Slow in front of me or devote your life to that origin, to say look. I would like to enjoy my drive to work if somebody cut me off, but I can't because I just got extremely disturb due to my past exe
so we should look at our disturbances and see what our disturbances are trying to tell us about our south North, like if your body started to hurt. You knows his shut up, you say war, one! What's wrong is trying to talk to me. That is your heart telling you something's wrong. Inside of me, you want to get it out, and so you just appreciate life. Is your teacher and then ultimately just we get it. Then how do you get you relax and it will work itself out. That is my experience. You re lad, you relax and don't touch it and relax behind it and it will come up and push its own way out is almost as if Your heart doesn't want that inside and so just like the body, pushes splinters out. Yes, it will try to push it out. Will you will lend because the more I suppose you pushed back now all this personal growth thing its eyes real, but the freedom, you that's a lot of some days. I say Jesus, don't teach me that new today, because
you are constantly every day, with every experience have the opportunity to take that quote: spiritual path and by spiritual we mean opening up yourself to better understand yourself in every difficulty. Every challenge is there to help you do that it is the beauty. Is you do not have to work out every one of your issues. You do not have to slip, oh my gotta get so may I never do that. You do not have to what will happen. Is your relax behind enough time two or your seat of awareness will now be centred more in your seat of consciousness. Instead of the issues keep pulling you out, I mean:
you do that you will start to feel something open up inside of you, I guarantee you it called spirit. Whatever you want, you will start to feel the strength of power behind you not in front of you with the forms are behind you, where you've been leaning back into, and it will support you and strengthen you and feed you and the rest of the stuff will just fall away cuz. It looks so meaningless. Where is God in all of this, for you the end of that the source of that at the end source of that energy of the seat of self, either that the sort of the seat of self you start to feel this beautiful love enjoy, and just it literally like a vacuum, mistrust the pool you up into it- and I, like me, God is the source of that the source of spirit and, as you come closer into you get closer to God, it there's a joy. They can open up
that is so strong that nothing will ever pull you up. Your personal self will no longer pull you out. There's no struggle anymore right, there's just this strength, the spiritual strength you ve turned a corner, how did you get that by the boy you are willing to knock it pulled into your personal self by removing the Thorn but letting the form be rebuilt, which is so interesting? You know, I remember you know a back. I was being blasted in the media for various things. You know with what was happening with the channel or not happening, and what people thought should be happening, and I was in the most peaceful space. I was at my home with the trees in the end the guy and over and all this I d just I
inside and all of that did not matter. I thought isn't, isn't this interesting and then that's when I did that thing you're talking about, I didn't know, that's what I was doing, but you just stepped back and you go inside and that's always there that's always available to our connection to God. Yes, now you sit there and say how much better aid are you to deal with the situation that need to be dealt with from that place of peace? Yeah? You are from that disturbance. because once you allow yourself to be in disturbance, then everybody he's just a stir, a try everybody's doing this. What could we do and what should we do? and how should we reacted well and when you bring that peace to the table you spread everywhere. I know you know that. You say that right and so almost as much as that, you are better able, but everything around you is better able to deal the situation so to answer you may ask me throughout throughout the interviews, is how do you deal with terrible situation, aren't they real. They are real,
we should deal with them, but first be ready to deal with them, from a space of peace and you'll, find that you can deal with anything then I know what the answer is gonna be, but I'm asking this question because so often people said to me, oh easy for you to sail for from where you sit, and easy to say if you haven't lost your job or you are not facing when all disease are easy to say if you're not going through difficult times in your life, no. You went through some difficult times because when I finished reading this book, the first thing I did was google to say: where did we get all the probation and how does he nobody knows and what comes up when google, your name anybody whose watching I know that you are going to do. That is that you were involved it. You were indicted several years ago for fraudulent behaviour. Your company was basically asked the government came in, and
used that the entire executive team of our company that well roles, airman, Irish sea I'll, see you at the time of fraud, so we're in the middle of being charged by the government of fraud. Were you innocent? Yes vote? in the sense that there is somebody who had done things in the company for sure right, a kickbacks and so on, and he pointed the finger up and said they knew what I was doing. You know, of course, not of course not liked what, after all, of course, you can, of course, okay, so ok, being accused or indicted by the government for fraudulent behaviour could cause you to pull down, and I mean I've been on trial back and ninety ninety eight. On the whole, I was What is this all about? Were you able to
stay in that centred space of of spirit that you talk about during that whole time completely. You were from the moment that took place at the moment the moment the moment, I'm not that good gaseous came over me and I just rested back into it, and my attitude was my: God is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Let go some, Sir anything left of me. What's as you
that was pretty noisy stuff right and- and there was a part of me right- that, of course, would never want to be in that situation and do anything right, but I like owe him a whole personality, the home, Michael Sanger, right, yet let go of him. My does not a situation that he should be. Anybody is its gods, grace it's something I got. I felt a God was reaching down to poor. Whatever was left of my ego out any use this situation to do it, we defend ourselves, of course right, but I knew I didn't do anything and so the question: what are you willing to use the situation to complain and carry on how unfair it is? You want to use a situation to let life reach into the bottom of your heart and pull out whatever's left of yourself concept, your ego, you're you're scared self and stand there and what it does give you Bertha gives you special birth. When, for six years I went on for six years,
there's got to be good. That is amazing. His eye was on trial for six weeks and I thought you were actually want to try. It got drop. The charges are drop, a fortress, but the investigation, although noise six year six year- and you are telling me Michael Singer-. that in six years you never said. Oh god, why me all? This is a terrible terrible thing. Oh my god, what's gonna happen to me muskrat, there was the opposite. There was if I have one I wish I had only if by one chance upturn in my life for liberation gorgeous gave it to me How am I gonna get rid of myself? How am finally pull that thing out that big thorn right of me
both of them. Yes out, nobody thinks and scared to death. This somebody would think I do something wrong or anything like that right. So I chose to do that, and so my my wasn't saying why me ma am I saying take it, take it just take it. Please take it away. I don't want to carry this burden anymore, not the burden of the thing, the burden of me, wine and soda, very spiritual thing. I wrote that book in the middle of that experience. You wrote this book in the middle of that experience. You of this book in the middle of all the crazy. Getting indicted live thing. Yes, there is, might that's the life? If you live that life, you can go very, very deepen. You can handle anything in handle anything.
All of it can help you gotta, God is used to go to Gaza. Ramblers you used to go to God. All of it can help you gotta if you use a proper. If that's what you want well, this is what so interesting about what you just said. I just love that, because you know my prayer for the past couple of years, even before I entered the opera show was a closer walk with. God was a consequence Orton Guide. Now I think when I was praying that pay I thought that it was going to be walking through the leaves of the view that there would be less cruises going through the garden. You know, cuz, you think that that's what it's going to be, and sometimes it's not you must die to be reborn. I love the question are saying that those are priced. Words said you must die to be reborn in means. You must be willing. Let go of your personal self, of your psychological cell of the complaining voice, your identity and all that you are a major,
In order to be who you are, you must be going to let go of who you think you are that's, what's meant by a must die to be reborn and as you let that go, and he will help pull it out right and so you use it spiritually and and- and you will see that will help you more than any meditation or anything you meditate, so that you have the center. So you can let go, but life is doing. The real growth is letting go. That's perfect. That was great. I'm ruined free and you ve been listening to supersede conversations the planned cast. You can follow. tourism on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook. If you haven't yet go to apple podcast, unsubscribe rate and review this pledge gas joy next week for another super, so conversation, thank you for listening.
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