Oprah's conversation with former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu continues. Mitch documents the historical removal of four Confederate monuments from New Orleans in his New York Times best-selling memoir, "In the Shadow of Statues: A White Southerner Confronts History." In his book, Mitch writes, "Here is what I know about race. You can't go over it. You can't go under it. You can't go around it. You have to go through it." As the country remains divided along racial and political lines, Mitch and Oprah discuss the importance of forgiveness and how acknowledging the mistakes of the past is the only true path to healing. Oprah also asks Mitch whether he has any plans to run for president of the United States of America. (Please note that this conversation includes strong language in the context of discussing racism in the United States.)
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Did it make you defensive about your black man's? There were like well, first of all, a kind of thought. Well, those guys it just wide racist people and not all white people erases. Some of them are all white people, not inside like we also raises two: absolutely where there's one thing. I would like all the same time- yes and so no, I didn't I didn't necessarily had thick askin. You know that is so- you didn't check it out you think I'm showing, because what happened was when I would go home, I'm uh that enable her that was, that was integrated, neighbourhood and end. It was I must say it was a noticeable to me. I knew my friends and then, wipe it never occurred to me that all I live in a black neighbourhood. I just did that enable it wasn't, ran issue for you. It wasn't an issue in my house was always open. We play basketball neon, we play football in the street and we had a great time together
wasn't until later, in my life that some of my white friends told me that I didn't come to your house because you live in a black neighbourhood, and I thought I live in, lag neighbourhood, I lived and only then a really wonderful mixed neighbourhood, but their definition. This goal the one drop you got. One drop you black, they're gonna. They have said definition was different from on and it never occurred to the nub of the fact that their black people in the neighborhood middle. How does one why person and they would mean you- live in a black neighbourhood. EL, the story about the school and I went to when I was in on what the same without parochial school and when I got to second grade my friend more, Who was, I thought, my girlfriend and second grade never showed up on my way. What is more like well, have family moved, because you see Keith from a black boy came to school here in her daddy would not let her go to school with a black person. So I was like what that was. My first entered his leg.
I lost. I don't understand what you lost your friend, because in that person happening, we want to my father's best friends who want to start talking about the time you were playing. I think you in a year, I was in college- is the first time a black ass. I say I want the Catholic University no remember. I grew up in a neighborhood played basketball football, but everything and never without african american friends, and so we will always in scuffles, argue and fight I can't do. There was no racial anything to the way we play football on the street in was never once had a racial altercation. About that I went to Catholic University of America in Washington DC and I was I stayed. I didn't go to spring break one year because I was writing my senior thesis and I was in the gym with my basketball two on two and it just turned out that it was two black kids versus to white
one of the kids, and I got into an argument with this kid. We will go on for a golden and pushed him when he pushed me. I got elbowed, he elbowed me and I was on the ground and he stood over me and in an angry. Really vicious town said you a blonde A blue eyed devil, a really racial thing I'll be a white and finish it startled me. It was also the way looked at you tear was he look like He looked at me like he hated me and because our industry, because I was white and I mean it was clearly that was what he was saying to me and which is shook me The first time any body African American treated me that way- and it was a very strange first time- I remember thinking while you know black people a challenge to about race and that just stuck in my mind so the way this is all adding up now and it's written in the book is all of these experience the Tom and I went to outwits.
And sat there for a minute and thought about. Oh, my God, human beings can do awful things to each other. When white people thing you know, some people think that period of others because of real just like for me, and I think for anybody that goes out. Will you come out of it more determined to fight for justice in your own can ever be well, it didn't cameelious UK I got it did that when when you are there and because you were there, you know this and you see I was there with a process tat S, my God Eleazer. So so so you all of a sudden you there and the suitcases are there in the prosthetics and the dangers and the glasses and the suitcases and you think world, how in the world did we ever let that happen in, and I thought and are right about this little bit in the book. I thought about slavery in the United States of America
and then as later in my life, and you say: what did you do it because a sense of denial it didn't happen, it wasn't that bad, it was about economic. Makes in an environment that we in right now, where we actually reintegrating in this country the notion that diversity is a strength. And that out of many we are one and that we want to go back, that fishing. That's a place where I think not that every white person in America's taken this there are lots of people that supported Donald Trump racists. But it is clearly true that the cause of white supremacy has been given new quarter, and I think that to speak very forcefully to that conservative liberal, moderate whatever it is, this kind of thing that kind of rose its ugly head in Charlottesville and then, of course, what happened in Charleston by the way was the moment, then I decided to pull the trigger when Charleston Happen I had been taken about this now for a year and a year and a half ago, when Charleston hat
and the night I more shot in July, people were killed in that charge for praying by a young many Dylan roof. Who professionally did it for racial reasons, and then Joe Riley, who was a marrow Charleston, Nicky Hayley republican government. They said: ok, let's take about taken ETA Confederate, like I thought to myself, specifically it they. Now is the moment to deal with this issue because it all came forth. And those monuments, in my opinion, help facilitate the sense that it was ok to have these public statements of reverence for the superiority- and I said, that's not a new Orleans and you have also made a vow to yourself years ago and Auschwitz that ever you were confronted with a moment of evil that that is what you would want to do able to stand that that data exact moment dating back to me twice one when David did was elected to the legislature. Ninety ninety and then today, and then I thought we, you know you can't walk away from this. You have to u have to step into this and, as I have said,
or there had been many many people that have worked through this on whose shoulders I stood to do this memory. I worked on it, the other man more. I worked on it. Man Bartholemy worked on it. There's a group into always count called taken due note of that John, and I mean this was a mass of group effort fighting against a really difficult. Oh, but it should not have been his heart. It should not have been this hard and the reason I started the book off about the cranes was because I, as a very powerful mayor of a city that was rebuilding had the law. On my side I had the pool local power on my side and yet they still tried to terrorize the people who were trying to help us and make this impossible to do, which is really the definition of institutional racism and that in and of itself as a message for the country about how we move also for the people who are listening to us right now. Let's talk about the cranes for those. Those few who have not got the best seller in the shadow of statues, a white southern confront history. You
Indeed talk about calling all over the city trying to fight and in a city that has been rebuilding itself. As you have said, and there are thousands and thousands of the causes of construction workers in sight and not one person will agree well. This is where I really feel silly and naive, because I really did think that we will have to take the city through this discussion. And once it was decided, we ve been again about, because I'm building army would build in everything and we build a fast and as a commitment in this people, there are mechanisms to actually just these monuments. Did they not that big and then not hard to take down, and it took us like four days totally that take em all they'll over a longer period of time, so was not a mass of construction project like building a new airport, they cost a billion dollars, which would do him on the way, and I ll show you thought to myself once it was decided
assign the executive order. We was going to come down, but no, they fought us in the long we had. We had, I think, seven different court cases on the federal state, local level. We had thirteen judges that decided, but once the legislative, executive and judicial branches on the federal state and low level was decided in this country. The rule of law is now it's time to execute the law. Well, the guys thought you know what hell no wished: you're, not gonna, let him take it down and they began to engage on what I consider to be domestic terrorism.
So that in the end, when you're spending money, you have to kind of put stuff out the bit. So people have to actually put the names, and so I didn't use a lot of names in the book cuz. I was trying to protect a lot of people, but for the first company that came forward that got the bid to take the monuments down they bombed. They firebombed here burned across or blew up the church in Birmingham firebombed his car in the second decade of the 21st century and from a moment. Nobody would come forward to take these statues. They are literally picked up the phone and called every contracted than on new of not only in New Orleans within Louisiana and in the entire south, trying to find a crane somebody crane echoing.
Grain and then a great and it is a thing- wants to create a crane operator and they basically had sent a message to everybody that if you get involved in this somebody that you know it's going to get hurt, you gonna lose business. Eventually, we found a number of businesses some outside some in the city that actually were able to do it after We put this huge security blanket around them. Would, of course, you know had made us do it at night and made people cover up their identities, the guy there wearing Bulletproof s, helmets, erect and I'm sure they were arrayed they there would. Then there would die really afraid- and rightly so, because the security threats, war, real and they were eminent and the security measures we took we took at the advice of the highest levels oh secured, and what their reports to the people were sending drone day, and he wasn't it rooms or they were actually doing as they had they had drawn said they were flying around the cranes to try to get him to stop. They actually got to one the cranes early on and filled the guest anguish sand, I mean they were sabotaging. What was a? What was?
legally government sanctioned you know process. Now. I don't know what else you call that I call it domestic terrorism eventually what we had to do, you have your aid for your life and our families onawandah there were. There were imminent threats. That of precautions would not have been taken. It would cause you to be afraid, but we did everything that you were supposed to do in those circumstances, and so I'm not trying to be cavalier about this, but my entire life. They have been innumerable death threats and you take the appropriate precautions in yeah. What I was more concerned about with some people who would not mean that we're working in this entire process that was feeling very threatened. It did the two wonderful women that work at my front desk at the receive lots of really awful phone calls, and we cave records of that would just reach their villages, Jesse and Miquelon. Even imagine hateful, you know when I listen to that kind of stuff and so look
more with the way we were supposed to. Nobody got her bit and I think that when we saw one later what happened Charlottesville, I think the precautions that we took in New Orleans. It became pretty clear to people that there really were imminent threats and that people can really get hurt. And, of course you know in the south we have open carry. So there were people who were on the costs that will bring in you know, assault and there and they were in open and so the police, the really good job of making sure that the individuals who are part of taken down, no that were coming and then the anti groups was separated from each other that they were able to exercise their first amendment right and we were able to protect every body and the police chief and analyse each regime, which is that- great job, a heightened sense of danger and also far more money, all was well. You got to be three or four times the cost it shouldn't. Then that whereas will look at all the money that is spent protecting people correct, but generally speaking, when people gotta said about that, I said: listen, no matter
It was a great sports, entertainment cultural place and I have tons of people. We just finished French, professor thousands of people we always do, which necessarily to protect people's well being, and so, when this turned into we're, not let you take em now, no matter what we had to affect the law. It was the right thing to do. We have to do in a way where people were safe and cost a lot of money, and we had to get people to donate to it. They would only donate if I kept their donations confidential, which I have done to this day and will continue to do until the alarming to release. The name was your sense of relief whence they were all down. Just one year. I felt a great sense of relief and pride the very few times in your life, certainly in public life. Then you get to course correct history. Then you get it right or wrong or you get to make straight. What was crooked and in this really essentially was what we did. That's one of the reasons why actually wrote the speech because I wanted them to be in writing a historical wreck. Of what had happened back then
We did what we did with the reasons were for it and then the then the public argument in favour of an essentially It is a very uniquely american story, which is it out of many. We want in everybody's included, we all come to the table of democracy as equals. That's that's really who we are- and I couldn't think of a better way for the p, New Orleans to say thank you to the people of Amerika. Helping us come out Katrina than to send that message very loudly and clearly what you were. Ultimately trying to do is what I think that the pecuniary a writer talked about no justice, no peace. You were trying to bring about a sense of justice so that there could be. A levelling of the Well Ellen in another way for people. You know that's an interesting thing, because when I was a kid- and I heard you grew up in the in adoring, the king, but also being aware of the of the historical fighting that the people who
We, the non violent protest war with people had said by any means necessary in the entire historical, Malcolm X, Doktor King theory, of how you bring about social change and when I was a kid, no justice, no peace, the way it rang in my ear was wrong, which was like, if you don't give me what's mine, we're gonna, get to fight Noma, taken from you, what off, when I come to think more about. Is it no justice, no peace? As a statement of fact, which goes something like this? If there is no justice, if I don't feel like I'm being fairly treated, if I'm not given the same opportunity, if I don't and not afford to the same responsibility, if I don't they kind of hope, I feel alienated from you and when we alienating we can't be together and they can be no sense of peace. There can be no sense of former. They could be really no sense of communion with you and I create something together, that's better than what we could call give to each other individually,
that's really in my mind now I think that's what that means, and so it's kind of like the difference we reverence and remembrance, they look a lot the same, but the very different. So we can find a higher place if we can find a better place we're going to be better when we're together, and so that's why that that that part of the speech was written to invite people to invite people. I want to gently peel your hands from a false narrative history that has been holding us back. It's an invitation to to to reconcile and to be better if we can get to that place, and that's why I thought it was important. Was this the one of the hardest decisions, I had to make well, you know been followed covers with thirty years. It has been a lot of this was certainly one of the most difficult to get through, although I have to say that rebuilding a city that has been,
Whaley destroyed and completely rebuilding a healthcare system and an education system and physically an entire city, and given a group of people who have been beaten down badly by history by Katrina by Rita by I buy Gustaf by them recession, but the BP oil spill. I mean that was a monumental task. This one was a really important when it was a critical one, because it it, I think it held a think it helped heal a wound that had been making us less than we were, and I think now the city of New Orleans has a chance to look forward to the next three hundred years in a way that she didn't have in the last three. Do you think it help define you as a man? Oh yeah, oh yeah. I think I think a lot of times, and this is what I really think carriages people think. It says, bravado thing that we see now
but I'm bigger than you and I was stronger than you? Actually s really not what it is. It's it's because I get afraid a lot and I tell people you know one of the ways that it helps me as our right down, I'm really afraid dot dot dot because and then I just let it sit in next, come back because If I do this, then- and I write that down- and you keep write it down- you keep looking at it, and sometimes you go that's something I really ought to be afraid of the rest of the only to be afraid of those Gaza consequences, and I've been once you confront it and you But when you you know what I think that you can't Otto away. You can't walk away from that
I could you had to be really afraid that somebody would get hurt. While I was at first of all, I would do everything I can to make sure nobody got hurt, but most of the time which you find out is the things that you are afraid of. You need to be able to take on a stand up against and say that you know what you guys, don't not right, and in this thing I did I did come to this conclusion and I think some people might disagree with, but I have come to the conclusion that number one when it
there was wrong that it was a historical lie that they should never have been there and they needed to come down. And then I had the rs power and the responsibility to take them down, and then here's the next one. I could not do it because I would really feel bad about myself and I tell the story that are actually had an imaginary conversation with my grandchild, who is yet to be which mirrors the twelve year old girls conversation. If I have to talk to my grandchild and they said to me Papa you with a mare, you had the power, you have the responsibility, you had the authority. Why didn't you do it? I could answer that question either in so I just concluded to myself that you know what this is kind of just the way it falls, and this is your deal. You got it, you gonna handle it there's, nobody else can do it and even if they could is in front of you now, when you cannot walk away
and so on, I felt like I had to do. It now mean that you will just kind of that simple. After all, that complexity got down to become a you ve had this happened, you in your life. You know this. It just gets to be real, clear, there's a moment when you go well. Ok, that's just the thing and the consequences of what they gonna be and so but taking down of the statues, became a symbol for something deeper, greater and more powerful. I just think it would really important. There are people who threaten me people, people, besides the physical threats, but people threatened me politically. You, Lhasa, waits for our laws are lost, two thirds of our rights and so the beautiful thing his, which really wonderful when I got elected both times, but that the first time I got sixty six percent of the votes in the city, which is pretty good, but what was really, but what was really good about it is that my votes were equally white unequally. Black and that's
never happened before. Usually politicians put together coalitions of one sort or another. After I took the monuments down two thirds of the whites in the city, although my city still pretty progressive, basically said for you anymore now, the reason that really takes me off is because I get that I'll make decisions all the time the people don't agree with. But this is the first one that I've made where people said. That issue will cause me not to for you again, because you know we just we make decisions and their hard and we can ever agree with everybody. I was honest. I worked all around a competent government. We turn the city around with a lot agree but I've never had an issue where people suffer their relationships with me because of it. Now to me that says more about them, then it says about me. That means that those individuals, I think, have further to go on this issue.
Which is why I keep saying you ve gotta, be this issue down and we walked through town. Do some of the white people treat you different? Oh you're, absolutely no question furious. Their fitness cures. Will people outside? Why people outside of New Orleans, Particularly- but this is interesting because people I don't live in the city anymore, think that they still run the sitting at a while. We love having them there and their welcome in this city. All the time generally, the rule is that if you don't own, it wants to say about like this night, you're, probably your government and, and so that was been interesting together. I will have to say, though, that sentence bent over and the book has been out in a lot of people have read the book. I have had a lot of white people come up to me and say you know what I didn't see it that way. I didn't see it that way. But or an I allowed you to come up with this one. It's a beautiful, but also how some people said you ruined city,
I'll, never vote for Europe. It has great, never run. We gotta go running for anything again, nice basins that you really feel free. That way, what are you gonna do? Twenty one days from now you wake up after some girl I'm gonna arrest. You then I really do you know what is it when I was done it It's really weird, I'm starting to you can feel the end of something common and, in that way, then don't something for thirty years and you take it for granted almost certainly beginning of something could be, you never know never, but but but when you ve been in office, the third here is a new stop a really visited us out we're, but I need time to rest and to think and pray into just get away from what I've been in. So that I can see it Clearly, the because you get there's a lot of this when you're in office lotta people on you who likes you
gradual is scheduled every day. You running from thing to think you don't have time to read we are you really heard for that. Are you? Are you hire him? Are you ok, I think? Well, let me say that I think it's going to be hard, but but I am very interested in anxious to separate myself. That's interesting. I wanna do really want to get away. I don't really know I've been blessed in my life. I have a wife. Have five beautiful kids have a brother, the sister they get thirty, three nieces and nephews I have been an up, and I've been given the opportunity to do a lot of beautiful things, not the least of which is rebuild a great american city which has been spectacular, people New Orleans or drop dead, fantastic, and when you know that you been there, you work
It's a soulful place if you love me along wherever it just a great green place, but I am very, I am very interested in trying to find out what it feels like to just really have your feet on the ground and just to be a regular dude and, and they get distance and to think about what happened, and then I'm not anxious about the future at all. I have no concerns and worries in the sense that, like everything's, it's not gonna, be. Ok, it's going to be fine. I don't know what it's gonna look like that, but I am, I am very open to doing something completely different than what I've been doing for the past thirty years. I'm really conic interested to see how that develops and more and more willingness to receive whatever, and if it is politics, because I've been asked this question, that's why I'm being too
about asking you you can ask me about about running for president. Are you would you consider it? Would you be open to the possibility that that might well here's here's, here's a political game and everybody plays preserve the fifty different innovations? Are you running for president? Does that mean you never running for president that he goes? How would you would you now so? First of all, let me just be completely authentic about this. You know you know serve in politics and not get pride for when somebody says Ah, you know I mean every human being is like saying you? Don't we stop plant tell us where you can be Roger feta? Really you know so I mean I hear that right I've been there fairies deals like worked with it just is feels it did, make sure proud that Zimbabwe thinks that you might be the present state. That makes your problem. You can say that it does it, but the
The next question is really really hard wood you ever think about it will of. Of course I mean when people are talking about new. Possibly doing that Yeah, you makes you think about it, but then, but then it gets really hard is like what would you do it now? That's all really hard question, because the truth of the matter is Otto. I don't I'm not really planning to do that. Politicians all the time say why I'm not planning to do it, but they really are I'm really not ok, but what would make you do it? What would cause you to do Is there something I could cause? I'm sure that there is I've always had a sense of a sensitive, always wanted to be in a place where you use whatever gives a talent you have to help other people. I will say this that we have a very strong feeling about this. It's dead not the only place where you can do that. Absolutely you abuse the perfect example violently and sometimes people
get deluded into thinking that that's the only place, but that can be done now, you know, Presently live long term on ways to tell you know, President Bush, you know all these people. You know, then, in a very personal way, that job is an incredible sacrifice. Its life ending sacrifice in some ways, not physically but spiritually and and in a way that, like one, you that there is really nothing else. You done an end, and so it's not an easy sacrificed to make an plus, and it takes a lotta, hubris and arrogance to think that you're, the only person that can do that- and there are a lot of other people. That can I happen to think that the countries in a really bad place right now. I don't think that's what happening on the federal level is really what we need to be doing, and I think that country is in a space that we have to get out of, and it's an interesting thing for us to think about. As people. That's, not just a political question, what are really worst about where we are right now when you wake up and you think about where fighting
with each other over a bunch of silliness like us, I don't think Would you litigating issues that should be clothes like as diversity, a strengthened weakness? We aren't we we are a multicultural country, that's who we are and the fact of the matter is in a two thousand forty we're gonna be more the cultural as we all know. So why are we resisting? What we know coming to be its come and not making it better and making it worse were actually gone. Back was right now on this issue, and I think everybody in this country has to be seen, and everybody has to be heard in this is about racin is about class, and I think that we have to learn. That is a matter of fact. As a matter of echo, makes sense as a matter of national security in every way the United States of America is better today than in many ways. It is evidence of why we so afraid of each other. Why we fighting each other so much. Why are we actually, just by by forced era, our own forced our moving backwards rather than forwards,
Everybody knows neutral, Brocklebridge got elected this entire country, people they voted for immediate and when we just did something that we have never done before, and he served very well and he served admirably, he was a great president. People may not agree with everything that he done, but there's no What did he moved the country forward? Why do we now feel like everybody's got to go back into? That was a terrible mistake. Let's go hidden divide this, the country racially again and not think about how we can you know, be great and great, not just as a government but great as a people I don't. I don't really understand that right now and I will take the country really has a good feeling at the mall, that we know the answer to that question. Have we lost our moral authority? Well, I think we're working at it. I think I think that we as a country or work
Is it long term, even though I wouldn't take this for granted cuz, I think you have to fight for freedom. I think freedom done done come on its own, you got to fight for it every day and you got to fight for what your idea of America is and that's fight goes on every every day, fathers and brothers and sisters, and what have we not if you don't believe that were stronger is one than you don't believe in the United States. I guess that's what I think, and I think that I think that the idea that ideas worth fighting for, but I dont, think to answer your question more directly That's the only way you can do that is to be in government, and I think that there are lots of different ways. For example, when Disney did Black Panther trend. Making a movie. Now you ve been doing this. Your entire life, a transformational moving back to the log twelve year old girl when she those who watches why Panther now does she feel open and invited and powerful
and though she feel like. Oh, my goodness now I can be greatly answers. You can watch the movie. That movie is so spectacular, so artists, writers, poets, playwrights musicians, social activists, they cannot change the world and you seen presidents in their post presidency, Jimmy Carter being one of them who would admittedly himself say that I was much better not be in office did not and so that the I want Americans to really kind of get keen on, is that one three hundred million people decide that they want to do something when each of them does something on their own. The country can move forward in a done him. Anything to do with politics, and that is a very interesting concept to me, and so was I think about what the next day nation is going to be in my life. You know, I don't want to get stuck in this thing that I've been
again without having a really really really thought about it, and you know the sense of helping other people. Do it is more important to me, then? Maybe in the guy, that's not saying that you never say never cause, you don't even know what God one should obey and you don't clothes off those possibilities, but it's not something that really is at the forefront of my mind and the moment I hear that answer. And I trust that it's true. I can feel that that's true, that does not change who the hell knows. Your nose I want to end this conversation with the words from your son. It struck me so at the end of the book in the shadow of statues, a white southerner confront history. You came across your sons, essay right that he was writing for college and he says this
will landscape. Will you get the last word growing up as a sign of the mayor of New Orleans, I've seen the struggles of leadership responds to years of discussion. My father decided to remove the confederate monuments found across our city. He delivered a speech on the topic that, though nationally was applauded, was locally controversial. There was discord in the city leading to tents, protests that bordered on violence. Despite thirty years of earning the public's approval. The video Earl thrust through my father's professional life directly to the daily lives of our family. We didn't feel safe anywhere or with any one
For the two days after the removal, I walked down the school hallway bracing myself, as my classmates yelled out Nigger lover and your dad is ruining the city. My closest friend even sent me articles with false rumours about my father. Until now, I have kept these words to myself.
Standing up for others is excruciatingly lonely. I know my dad must be more hurt and lonely than I am. As my black friends explain. At least my family is lonely by choice. They were simply born just a little bit darker than I was until the monuments were removed. My friends never imagine they would live a day where they wouldn't walk the hallways or sit in history class. In fear of the next hateful comment. I know the decision is right, because my friends would want someone to stand up for them. I have the ability to do that, so I intend to take full advantage of my privilege. I know that great decisions have great cos. Those costs are a fraction of what the people we are making them for. Having.
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