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women international. The idea was brilliantly simple: women in war zones with other women around the world, through letters and the third dollar a month, sponsorship Zena believe that ongoing your own voice can awaken others to new possibilities, helping them heel, and see that they are not alone welcome. Thank you. Our intention here, superficial sunday, is to open the hearts and minds of people and if you can drop little pieces of light into their lives so that they see themselves differently the world differently- and I know that you know when you found, women for women international. That might not have been your specific intention, but that's exactly what you did open heart and mind: you dropped visas, into women's lives.

By letting them share their stories and that became its own force of empowerment, how did you know to do that? While it all started, I mean in war. I grew up in war in the IRAN, iraq, war in iraq, and I know one thing about war. It makes you feel isolated. It makes you feel that the world has forgotten about you absolutely so. You decided alright, I'm going find out we're bosnia is, and I'm going to do what what was the initial feeling. I was newly met, wet married at the time when we're gonna go to span for our honeymoon. My husband is very incredibly supportive and we end up putting their little money that we had for our honeymoon and when the going to croatia- and we literally you know- knocked on women's doors and on human rights organizations doors, and we said we are here to help us and it has been a journey of

ability for me, that's a and it started with that first step because that first trip I went- and I said I am here- to help all women survivors of rape in bosnia. And I remember the woman was said- then don't help us, because if you gonna isolate us as only women survivors of rapes of victims of rape, then you even stigmatizing us even more either. You help all of us, regardless of what we have gone through or don't help us, and that has been the beginning of many lessons. I have got so you it's a humbling experience. Every time I went to a culture or a country, and I thought I am gonna do this. I get like a slap on the hand and it's like no that's how you not how we do it. That's how you and they told me- and I realize knowledge is not by being educated, and I have you no masters degree and blah blah blah. Everyone has access to wisdom and knowledge. The

then, who changed my life was an illiterate. Women is an inveterate common knowledge, everyone how that is. How do we respect other people's knowledge? How do we hear it? How did you change your life when her name is number two sheets from congo, fifty two years old woman and she was telling me about how she was raped a nine year old daughter, raped her twenty one, twenty two year old daughter, rape and she's telling me she said I never told anybody the story, but you and I looked at her and I said to be too I'm a storyteller. I sort of what I do

as I come and tell the story to the rest of the world, so I can raise money and attention to help other women. Should I keep this one a secret, so she looks at me. She said if I can't tell my story to the whole world. I woods so other women would not have to go through what I've gone through, but I can't you can you go ahead and tell the story just not to my neighbors to things happen. I was driving for five I was from congo to rwanda at that time and I cried I cry throughout that five hours, because I realized what I was doing. Is this woman, more cautiousness and more courage than I did by connecting her individually? story to the larger collective of stories, and here I am hiding hiding behind all the other woman stories and in that way,

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the community keep the momentum going around, learn more about their initiatives at target dot com, slash black beyond measure, let's target dot com, slash act beyond measure during your childhood Zenos father, terrific work for aki dictator saddam Hussein. As his personal pilot, her family lived in a constant state of fear, having heard horror stories of iraqis being sent to prison, enduring torture and even death for any perceived misstep in her powerful memoir between two worlds. Zena even thinking was dangerous, so she learned to shut off her mind and suppress her true feelings in order to survive. I was ashamed Shamed ashamed. I literally was a sham. How can I be a woman's rights act? I mean. How can I tell you that I knew a deficit because I believed that if I told

anybody that they will no longer see me and they will see his face is because he is so much powerful than me, and so there was a shame and that's what I told my story. It was a leap of faith. I have known how many people will accept me. Well hates me will kill me and when I realized in the process, because people did not react the way, I thought they were react. Actually they won't come this. They hugged me basement. Thank you. So an end up strange woman would end up working to man. They would tell me their stories and I was like I don't know what to do with you, but only I realized when someone breaks their own silence. That person becomes like a candle to everyone to other people to give them

your remarks and to know that you're, not alone you're, not alone, and so in what I realise in the process that I for the longest time had become the prison guide from my fear, that's good that I, I was the guy that was feeding my fear actually but to realise. When you on your story and your talents and you walk out of your chaise, then you are liberating or something process. For me, shame is like a spider web on our selves and also it allows what you talk. What we also knows true bernay talks about this. A lot too, when you are you are allowed to break your silence. He began vulnerable in a way that actually mean you more powerful, that's exactly how I feel really Lastly, because you know by live on mobility falcon

like stripping naked in front of the whole world, and I realize it's like either I stay in fear and I'm always worried what what people say or do to me. You know, and I'm like like this or I take off not physically. I take my clothes, I tell the people this is who I am naked, for I am doing it for myself, so there is nothing to fear. I'm doing its. Do you own it absolutely and do you find cause you have talked to? hundreds and hundreds of women throughout the world who have been broken and torn apart from glee, mentally emotionally, spiritually through war. Do you find, though, that when they are able to just release a little bit of that story, that the healing starts, because this story. The holding of the shame, the holding of the story, and not being able to assure the story, is what continue

to kill you inside absolutely absolutely I mean that's for me not only very because they, the story at that point does not define them. They define the story when we stay in our victimhood yeah a case for me I wasn't my victimhood for a while. Then the story defines me as you do their work. you are, the change you want to make in the world. For me, it's like how can I be advocating for anything peace? If I don't experience peace, peace myself? How can I advocate for happiness if I am not When did you know that this human rights activists and advocate for the empowerment embarrassment of women people, especially in the world, was your calling? I guess I started when I was in your old, my mother, used to make me read all these books. You know she used to give me one of the first books you made me read is like a woman called. I am free, an era. roots. She made me read all of roots teenager

sounding board issued doing to my liking issues, dunham uribe, sweet, everyone's, read it as she would tell me about all the abuses that woman with go through at my grandmother. My grandmother was married off as a thirteen year old child taken off school and how Our mother made sure all of her daughters go to college, so my mom would tell me the stories of woman and fifteen. I told her mom when I grow up, I'm gonna help all women around the world, as she gave me the best give that moment. She looked at me and she said, and you can't honey xenia in baghdad under the shadow of saddam hussein. Fathers job as the brutal dictators pilot the family into saddam's inner circle, a dangerous place for a young woman zone says her. Mother Leah was determined to do what ever it took to protect her daughter, your mom actually sent you

united states to be married, correct. Yes, that was my mom. What I felt thus my first sensation of betrayal if it came from the listen. I love them all. So your mom's enjoy to be married. You didn't want to be married, not miami. She always told me that I should choose the person. I should choose the person that I want to marry. I should marry for love and all of us- and she puts me in this arrangement we literally get made within two weeks of arriving in america, and then they leave. go back to Iraq and that month that month, iraq and bates kuwait- and I get cut off from my family- and I end up not seeing now for nine years and the husband they married me to e raped me violet me verbally

physically all of it. Now it took me nine years it took me my mom to be ill and the process of her dying won her, and I were in real authentic conversation in a very honest conversation wish to learn that what she did to me was to save me. It was just pushing me out of iraq because she was so afraid. That's it oh, my family or friends with, and I grew up seeing him. Every single weaken must be every single day in my life was saying to see me as a woman as opposed to a child, and she panicked at the news that there would be nothing she could do about it if Saddam hussein s said yes, you are mine, absent or even though, if we are his friends It doesn't matter one here. One is something got the something and and many women, many many, many or ropes.

And so you left your husband. You fled your husband three months after the marriage, three months after the marriage, so you're now twenty, I'm twenty exactly with four hundred dollars in my pockets, and I realize that haven't felt my life out of nothing and I'm gonna. Do it and one day I will a home and help women back home? This is just remarkable. I hear these stories it. You know, you're a young girl, you, twenty years old, you say I'm going to build my lucky. You have four hundred dollars, you're the united states and you can be your life out of nothing. Do you think that's an inherent. but there's some women who say, I'm gonna go my life, I'm nothing than then there's some women who said-

there's nothing I can do. I personally believe we all have that choice, that the circumstances not choice a circumstances of airport and is not a choice its imposed on. What do you choose to do with your story is a choice. Personally, I think we have individual choices for what do we do with our circumstances, he chose to do this or electricity that that's my personal belief now I put all my energy on being in service. That sort of its. Why am, I feel, is like not resisting who you are and thus the creation of format, foreman and thus like, thereby, so did something happened in particular around twenty three that you said this. Is it I am now going to go and save women of the world. I was done it's colon of all kinds. For the first time in my life I learned about the holocaust and about the concentration camps in the holocaust and how about how people said never again that same month there were images of concentration camps.

in bosnia, and we were doing it again and it was for me a very child like logical, like they said never again, but is happening against. So we must do something about it. It was ass, simple, as that we never thought about it before not at all. I did not know what the ball stands are no more, they are where I had to go and teach myself which country they are from what language do they speak? What Religion was laughter by came to realize, isn't that that one we avoid acknowledging and seeing injustice that is happening in front of us. When we turn our face, then we invariably to my sets absolute and allow for the corruption of our own values. So when I say I have a responsibility is about me, so you fruit asks.

How about the sweet? Sixteen and you go home all my friends were there. I even got my first kiss air bomb in time. Video in one place, you can add on over one hundred streamers to easily find top shows and live sports like NC w a march madness on paramount plus and dion sanders in the hit show code. Prime, now you change the game. Prime video, the one app to unite them on prime membership and paramount plus subscription required restrictions, apply, see amazon, dot, com's. Last prime video for details you know I used to say that to our viewers. During the many years as the Oprah show. would show trial The abuse I would show in a graphic images of most violent or something I'd say? And now you can never pretend that you didn't say it can go on and make your dinner. This evening you can go shopping, you can do whatever, but you cannot pretend that you didn't say

it because now that has entered your consciousness and the question is, what will you do How will you use that? What we have to change by when we have to get up and stood form women for women national, but you can allow it to open the hard space for, south and you in your own whirl treat people differently. It's as simple as well as it could be asked. Plus seeing a homeless person looking at them. In the ice- yes, it's you don't, like me heroic journey or anything like that is the simple, no girl living and war, but also working what I came to realize that people with

it's not in best superhero way they resist in the small acts in the small acts. You know it's a my mother resisted by keeping love in my heart. That was her resistance to fear. If people resist in this one and and we can change the world in small acts, it doesn't have to be big heroic superhero acts. One of the you acknowledge is that there are two sides of war there's the bombing, and there is the obvious violence and there's that that we see and israel. We did on the news and then there the other side of that which usually involves women and children. Yes, the woman baking bred in Gaza as well. I mean when we talk about war in war zones and in the front lines. For example, we don't talk about your actual life keeps on going in the midst of war. I mean people still go to school and they still go to hospitals and they actually still have to earn a living to to eat, and I think most people don't

even think about that. You think oh there's a war going on in Iraq and that's all that's happening in iraq, but while that's happening there are mothers feed their children and kindness in their children to school and people still going to work every day And life going, I salute the end, you have birthday parties and you get married in divorce and you got all of these all in the lives of the link and it keeps going on in the support, not the ones who need it, the ones who led what I call the backlog discussion in other than your life. Yes, yes, I women and their resistance becomes, is not the fighting. Their resistance becomes how to keep life going so when I was a child and war in the midst of a siren, my mama, for me and my brothers puppets and she would mean we are all puppets on the law and the shadows of the candle to make us laugh and entertain us as the bombs and the planes are bombing. The country and a bosnian woman she's, a piano teacher.

for four years. In the midst of the war in Sarajevo, in bosnia, she kept the music school open every single day and for whom she says this is my resistance is to keep the music going. I mean how beautiful I gauze and in order to keep people to allow people to literally rebuild the fabric of their own lie ass. Yet because you have to keep like, you have to keep life going, a women and girls in the midst of wash you always, she would do is in a go, collect flour from all the neighbors baked. The bread distribute the bread. We dont acknowledge these women's voices, and yet without them we don't have peace, because peace is not the ending of fighting. Only peace is actually the building of life is. This is like stitching life, backed with each other. You know it's sort of

normalizing of life, the jobs, the schools, the weddings. You know thus, peace. You were in serie a bow and a woman. There made a request. It really surprised you. What was it well? What I started I was only twenty three when I started woman for once. I also took my taken myself very seriously. I was like the activists role. You know Jesus makers and to be a human rights activists- are humanitarian you'll have to like. So I will come back and rusty. Can I call it uglifying myself, you know and then I'm going to settle. It was really hard to enter sire by now telling the one what should I bring her next time, I'm here and this woman she's like lipsticks. I was like lipstick. Really, you don't want vitamins.

I know, like you know, I'm like thinking like something you know to help her she's like no. I want lipstick because it's the simplest thing that each woman can put on every single day and we feel beautiful and in that that's how I'm resisting the war. This woman told me she said I want that sniper before he shoots me to know he is killing beautiful woman and lipstick is the easiest thing for a woman, any woman around the world to put on and feels beautiful. Actually, it is through working with women survivors of force in wars that I learned to how to appreciate beauty and incorporate beauty in my own life and look at me now, I'm like Still the wandering exactly, but I like, I appreciate beauty right now and it's an end. It is beauty, becomes one way of resisting one way of building peace, but you

To learn yourselves, I mean I look at you. I see a beautiful woman. It took you a while before you could look at yourself into a beautiful woman who taught yourself to see your own beauty. How did you do that lacks at all? They start, first of all that I am not. Beautiful woman. I would look at myself in the mirror and no matter how many people, my former husband, everyone everyone's like you're, beautiful I was like nope. I would look, and I say not a beautiful woman, I can say ugly- but not a beautiful woman, and one day you know a tibetan woman actually told me. She said you need to start meditating on your eyes.

So I go to the mirror same error by the way same there and I'm meditating and is too much. You look at your whole face and I sat looking into the pupil of my eyes and in the pupil I just kept on meditating on its. You know, and I saw my soul. I don't know it was beauty, but what I saw was a beautiful person. You know I don't like, but it was just the pupil. It's just one and us luck. Thus, a beautiful person inside and little by little, so I've been through that narrow little by little, I says, seeing my own beauty is the same food I dont use. Judging yourselves cushion Northrop, we say: do the same thing. Look in the mirror and say to yourself for thirty days. I love you and see how you feel and really look deep into your own essence.

Nothing else shows up. You know, I believe it's like you know when I is loving oneself as part of loving god. You know it's like this is this is god's gift and loving? This is part of loving god's gift. This is it for me It is because I struggled with the concept of loving myself. I thought is a selfish concept. I grew up with it being selfish gossip and for me it took a journey for to love myself and I really believe it's part of loving guy is part of my expression, where my love of god and how many lives do you think you actually affected and changed around the world through women for women international number wise it's about four hundred and fifty thousand women for me, and I'm not really is nothing up. I'm crop is nothing well is ever enough. That's a question for all of us

it ever enough. You, I think the first time you are on the Oprah shows in the nineties was it then it was September. Two thousand programmes they saw chains, woman for women tremendously. We were helping six hundred women only in september two thousand. Ten years later, several appearances later we raise one hundred million dollars to about four hundred fifty thousand women around the world. Well, thank you. Viewers did that it's amazing. How do you keep yourself restore doing? This are being used to find this with the Oprah show, but every day, you're talking people who come from very difficult circumstances that the energy of that sometimes would feel like that I'd be covered in that energy is and I had to work to keep a balance of not taking in everybody else's. You know energy, how do what do you do? I know

meditate. I meditated le. When I do my meditations on Y a practice. by your gun. You know one my hands if touches the ground. This is probably the most beautiful sensation, and I say thank you, god and in the ground at this. I feel that one that's restores When I breathe, I feel I'm breathing got and when I exhale, I think I'm exhaling into god, and then these are small things as they connections with god and with earth. That's restores my spirits and how do you define guy everything. Why more when I was a kid and I grew up a muslim, my mom is it tell me, don't look at god only appear, god is everywhere. God is in the trees. God is in there our god is in the sad we have signed in Iraq. He knows, and I really think god is

The chair, god, is here everywhere everywhere. I you know I just so when god becomes the everything you know and inside and inside then you know loving the world becomes part of loving god's, loving myself becomes by every all. The love becomes part of loving god so there is religion which you are muslim and then there is the ground and the breath and breathing in recognising that every breath is god in every ex ale, your exhaling into god. What is the difference fell that religion is that rituals. I feel an end from me the latter's. How do you think the spirit of that religion? Why does villages what all the religions they're saying the exact same thing for me, you know they're saying the exact same thing and that same thing is sort of her from me. As out of love forgot, you know a sort of the bee to try to as aspire to be you know, and so

as they say, we are two empty ourselves like a flutes and thus an individual process. So god can how you empty. How you empties, I feel like consciousness, is like a switch lights in a we. Each have the choice to switch it's on or off right in the future. You don't have to do the work right, an empty yourself like a fluid, so god can whisper through you, so god can play the flute through you, and that is money. That is a rolling as all of us. All of us can do that. Sulphur me that that there, the breathing and then god is that takes the spirits, the spirit of religions, Islam included and look at? Why were trying to do that in a dislike to is it takes the spirit of religion rather than the ritual of religion? you know we live in this polarize world of darkness and light summer in winter.

How? How do you stay in the light? Only by acknowledging my dark- and it's only was a recent process for me too, with consciousness, try to look my own shadow. Where are the pulse of myself, that I snap or I'm impatient or whatever it is you know, and how do I get on it? And I put myself in that vein, and I tell myself this will hope you connect to someone else one day in the future. So one a friend one day tell me I am and pain or the Embarrassing thing I'm like yours. I did that too, Did you see what I have acceptance of it and thus a release of it when the ship go. Is there the freedom comes as well. Absolutely would you believe about conflict? Believe conflict is the most unfair, as was where we are

Bang ourselves is about greets, I dont mean only material great. All this is our own greed, where we are betraying ourselves for most insignificant things and we end up with so much killing. It's just is our him is humanity betraying itself? Would you believe about faith. faith is the one thing by the way in the midst of all the darkness in war zones that I worked in the meat is right. Now is something you could not touch but it's. The most important thing that keeps people going like everyone goes back into the something faith inside them and hold onto that's so leap of faith that we never can tell us what it is, but it is the one agent of change that keeps us

What truth is it that you actually embrace in your daily life is a truth? I know that you're, a big truth seeker s. My mission statement in my life is to speak the truth to live the truth. To be my truth, so every day I try to do that and what helped me actually won. My mom was dying fifteen years Well, she wrote a letter to every person in her life. She asked for forgiveness from some people she needed to ask for forgiveness. She forgave whoever she needed to forgive she used to make me read the letter before I mail it wow she had a less, so she could not speak so she was like read it and then, and then I help her fold it and mail it and she told people. I love you, and she communicated with every person in her life and so on. I saw my mom dying and she died at age. Fifty two and I realized,

I said, I'm not going to wait until I'm dying to do this. I'm gonna do this all the times and every time I tell my truth when I wrote my book is sort of what's felt like a stone that suffocating me in here became crystal, and so every time I told my truth, the journey of truth is hard, but the taste of it is so delicious that it becomes attic this. You know it's sort of every time I walk a journey of truth in whatever it is in my work, in my personal life and in within myself, is not an easy journey, but the taste is always like the peace that getting deeper and deeper

so it's worth it to finish your sentence. I believe I believe love is bigger than all. I really believe. Love is bigger than all so, no matter what's happening in the world with all the racism and prejudices and the killing and the chocolate love is still bigger than also I believe, love will triumph. What do you believe about forgiveness and I once had a dream? You must forgive even when not asked to be forgiven. You must forgive even one last ass for forgiveness and then the dream I remember signal is too much to ask for this is too much and they really took me a long time to realize. I have to forgive even one not asked for forgiveness to free. My own self is my path for freedom. Thank you for this conversation. You jane

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