Dr. Phil Welcomes Civil Rights Attorney Ben Crump
Civil rights attorney Ben Crump has represented the families of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Trayvon Martin, Breonna Taylor and more. “All we’re trying to do is get people to see the humanity in people of color,” he says.
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you do exactly the opposite out. We're trying to do is get em.
I gotta see their humanity and people of color winner
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everybody welcome back to fill in the blanks really special day. You'll understand why
with my good friend, attorney Ben Crump, now here
referred to as black america's attorney general through
dead, fast dedication to justice and service began as a state.
Wished himself
as one of the nation's foremost lawyers and advocates for social justice.
Legal acumen has ensured that most of the people there marginalized in american society
truly protected by
their nations contract with his constituency. Now he is bliss did amongst the most influential people of twenty twenty one by time, one hundred
nobody magazines power, one hundred most influential african americans, the nest
no trial lawyers top one hundred lawyers
say that again, the top
one hundred trial lawyers in america and twenty fourteen indian p, a news maker of the year.
Ben's tireless advocacy has led to legislation preventing excessive force and
eloping, implicit bias, training and policies. Now
that is a hell,
an accomplishment we're gonna talk about how all of that has come to pass so welcome to bankrupt band thanks for coming to do this, I thank you for having made that to feel what we ve been working together along time. A man is harder
ten years since trade by Martin is that somethin? Listen,
people always see you.
in the middle of
firestorm, because when
people are at the darkest
our of their life.
They call been crump. No,
cause you? Let you know how? Well things are real,
They call you at the darkest hour there life. When something has happened. Some one has been
demise they ve been hurt. They ve been in a run in with ie
Police and it's gone really bad. There
overwhelmed by the system and
they call you people always see you in the middle of the
our storm, and I want to talk about some of that, but I want people to take a few minutes
to get to know been how'd you get in the law. You know
don t fear when I was now you're so run up in
Number two north carolina, lower small rule, southern town
raised by my single mother who work to jobs,
in the morning she were wash hotel.
Drink clay wrongs and there she will come home and put some food on it.
Wendy. I got a second shift. The converse shoe factory and
work. Second, sheer well and data
good thing in her power, the key food on the table, a roof over my hair hope, an hour
and everything I am everything I am to be here because of mamma
their her sacrifices boys.
And so when I was in the night gray they have
progress is a boy education with school, desegregation and remember the supreme court, and it was well or deliberate spade where how deliver
Speed of southern kolocha did not have
to nineteen. Seventy eight nineteen, fifty four as though they then agree
the schools and they took us little black children from south somerton literally across the tracks.
To the north side of town which will allow
community that had the nor schools the news
technology, new facility right, no books, everything anna,
I just remember one day, but the fear and a school bus coming back across the tracks and when we get to sab limited observed did did lap a data buildings. I, like our little element
cool fallen apart. You saw the broken down cars on the road. You saw. The you know, houses there had,
boards on the windows. There were vacant, and I just kept thinking to myself. I wonder why p
on a certain side, tat seemed to have it so good and pay
I was out of town, seem to have it so hard.
Mother told me the reason we gotta go to the new school with the new books. New facilities was because
A man named
good marcia and brown
of the border education, and from that moment,
The decision when I grow up, I want to be like a turn it there,
good marcia and be able to fight for people. My community and people will look like me to have an equal opportunity at the american promises, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and from tat day to this work.
about the same objective, well, it comes out. You feel it in everything. You say everything you do and
the test in working with.
For over a decade that
and you deal with Ben cramp. What you
see is what you get. I work with
the one lawyers that they get there
vision, persona and they,
put on a show, then what
they're off camera, the passion,
not there.
They don't have that empathy for their clients.
That one person I can say that absolutely is not true of you- are the
authentic real deal in every time. I've dealt with you with your clients. They,
know it. I know it anybody that deals with you know that you genuinely care about the people that you deal with you. No doubt of that thing.
We been blessed and a lot of us been bless forgot to give us a purpose for life
when you know he gave me the education,
our school degrees. Ah, this
legal team. I have worked with this and
Shame on us! If we don't try to use the blessings to help others, and so
I know, sometimes, even though everyone
he's not gonna love you. You use
then that go in air, but you say hopeful
they will at least respect me for transfer
follow my column in life and live up to what
believe it to be right, and I'm not saying I know everything but I'm sam I wanted
do the things I believe him. I had a right to do so
what I hope comes across and his friend
that really is been ten
man. I can't believe, as we did the tray by my show,
so much has happened, but
still the same, we're fire, but all of us
our children to her.
a better world and I'm
I will try and abandoned thing: I'm not! I'm a country lawyer Hannah by employers, marginalized people,
you open your practice and a court
you had to go through college in law school all that
is the biggest obstacle
you, ve had to overcome.
Think in getting where you are today. You know what I think about
the challenges,
think is not so much what I had
become per se
but how america had to fight
Well, they acknowledge that
there were implicit
biases, if not our right,
racism and discrimination,
you know when we were younger, we will go into
what rooms
and we will fight for our clients and almost
it put in general ourselves because the
system. Everybody says that in a black
People really matter. We work is
forget counter relevant
certainly thought we were inferior,
and so the whole time I'm going up to the judge and jury and I'm sure
origin dancer Y know you can receive
the declaration of independence, but what I want to know is, if you believe in what
declaration of independence, says, though you
believe it when you say we hope these troops to be so
in february that all men are created equally, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that
wisdom are life liberty, pursuit of happiness where, if you do, that applies to black people to brown p,
to native americans, you gotta
except we are equal and if you don't exist,
that then this their black boy who wish
by the police. We ve lost
this trial before would be gear, and so you,
They have their real conversation with the
I just want some don't like that.
there. I don't know how to tone it down general, because my class
his life and we're try
to make sure that somebody ignored
his life mad, it
you're bored iron, a jury and you ve got a white.
Finland over there
You got a wide judge for sure, and you got a white defendant and your face in a jury and
you're having to find those.
people that
have their mind, made up to simply because
the victim. Here was black and your black. When you're
talking to them on board? I do they out themselves. Do they hide
they try to lay behind the log, so they can control the situation after and how does it feel
to stand in front of them
knowing that you ve got some enemies up there.
Because of the color you're scared, that's a great question not to feel
and you, you literally, have to get yourself mentally prepared to do that, because
Most of the time you gonna be facing the union
mostly of that programme.
Finally, our white juries- and you have the almost by ah ah
I miss you battle before. You start a fire the case now that you're dead
for what are our main problem is probably the best example in the world:
Because of the stay out,
all young black mare, they said
if I could just be a yankee, a walk at home with a bad.
As good as uncategorized? He he
can be a yankee talking on the telephone artists
school frere,
you know he had to be. Somebody do us up
ferris. You know you know these black here is how they are so you have the purse convinced demo
The better of that our
your dream, I, like your children and we
about children. Just like you love your children, so doing vardar is,
that tug of war going on in
a lot of them. Lay in you,
oh behind
the door, try not to show their true
identity, all their true beliefs, and so
we all know. That course, in this, taken only from somebody who's been a court ruling
this as you? U, helper
we call em wreck, kill us do happen, killed rats,
in that you're, so you can just have a fair trial asked for definite special. We just want you to
It was the same consideration that you,
give our opponent- and so we
to that, and that is something we ve got.
Really good at that's. Why I was just a declaration of independence question and I go down through each witness and the judge
the other side would object and
I'll say, were journey. We gotta ask this court
done before we can move on because of that
we can have a fair trial and even
the judges sometimes get upset at us. They leave,
relax. Let us do it better.
They understand to the goal, is to get up
bear a jury,
are. We won't have a good trial
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people forget sometimes that we don't pick juries where d selecting jurors, and so you trying to get those out there that you know our
waiting to get even worse,
adding to run their agenda and if you don't get him out
You done before you start you,
absolutely right and not a fool. I would tell you: are you
go on the consumer,
no shells, because I'd do
stan aloud
I jury pools, are not just go. Come from. You no motive.
Ojo communities lot, I'm gonna come from cooks
over the community's. So we got it
not a frame the narrative, and this is what I think I've been able to do so
for the last ten twenty years is start tran
framed a narrative tat. We
not presumed guilty
you gotta at least give us some presumption of innocence. What
were gone. The network. There was a certain common data and I
we'll call his name, but he was
to me, and he was one of the top
read it guys air
get on we just buddy buddy when we
we got air and when we go ere he will say there
ever police you'll get over there. He was now. I just don't understand. Where are you?
we're trying to say the opposite,
offices a bare cause. Most
I'm a good emma was collect must have a second last night.
Now you trying to say our black people buy cars. Will you agree most I'm a good. We can have more personal away into the other. Other help
grandma morality. We got
say that there are some good in the best of us asked some
observed for good in the worst of us as some bad and the best of us. That's what people and
We have to acknowledge that, and you know I digress for a second. I think that the fear when I bought tray both family,
both them genes, family, are you now
a minor, but auburn fan all these families in you would in with them, though, what they always appreciated about you
You saw the humanity in them and thus our trying to do
he's got america to see their humanity and people of color when I
the funny thing, special, that's the thing. People always talk about.
somebody or throw the re scarred upon the table or their race, bakers or whatever, and you do it
exactly the opposite. You trying to get it off the table. You're, not
they're trying to play the race card. Yours then, allow more news even play and feel that all I want you
I recognize is
I have a mother here that
has lost a child, the child,
held at child dislike you held your child. She took part,
child. She laughed she giggled with that child and she's. Now crying
over that child.
I know when we had travel.
mother. Here we had a moderation mother,
listening and saying you interact
he would see the audience change and move because they realize.
but for the grace of god, go I it's a mother son, it's not anything different, it's just the same, and you have to do all the work to get there
before you even start dealing with the facts.
it is so interesting? I was here in LOS and yesterday we were having a pressing,
for france, where this man
this one. A guy can hardly the police were imprisoned,
wanna ever has be pursuit case,
and it was over a traffic. Stop
the guy was beaten and they
Delay, seventy miles per hour ass be chase to south central, the black community, los angeles in kyoto, two innocent,
people we just driving through the and the one thing I can,
santa myself, that the fear is this, isn't just about
Harris family who
the woman in the car on the
his family, the man in the car. This is about
every citizen and los Angeles California, because but about a grace, a guy that could have been anybody who was
as innocently driving down the role and we can make an appointment. Will you look at the statistics
they seem to engage in. These has be pursued more in the
black community, the other communities. So how
Can we get them to see? Was the crux of the matter with you
put them in the shoes of there. But what happens if you,
were driving down the road that day, and you just happened to be an assertion that now that the police say we don't
our policies because they are irrelevant day is significant. That's open!
what you're trying to do is say: Jeff,
These per second give consideration to the other side of the coin.
the collateral risk here is the same as the collateral risk in beverly hills or bel air cap. You got away at the same instant, their loss of human life.
Human life is human life.
you decided to really commit your life. To this end,
start representing these
people that had no way to navigate the terrain.
It had the feel right when you step.
Into it. It had to feel right, but you had to feel
pressure too, because these people, when you
show up and take their case
you're it for them. We know
with the church is often the center of the black community and they have that support, but in
arms, are fighting back in the system, is being grown in the esa,
to whom much is given much is expected, and I do feel that way.
I tell you about the fear and this guy can deepen. This is why I probably need to talk to you more. My friend.
people often ask me: how do you deal with it? Then our love, the stress of the constant deaf in law,
I'll send tragedy of it. All
and I would say
cover steady history, steadied thoroughgood module map.
from a hero and he would
about how you have the cot compartmentalize stuff, because you can't
lou give weight to emotion when you there, with the families tran
to be strong by everybody
sense out of something that may,
no sense at all that they're gonna, now the bury their chow
who would be about people who are supposed to protect them in many cases, as so I'm
and to be strong and am compartmentalizing, because as justice a should say, if you
Not strong and trying to
keep it together to get justice, then you can't prevent some of the future
injustices from happiness summit of future hashtags eggs, the next tray bars and george flowers, and so at Keaton
two compartment compartmentalize, but in this netflix
Imagine what a kiss
the camera it got. The directive is a good thing of shore bonobo moments when I was by myself
after we have met with the families and
bout myself that the fear
and I'd never notice. I found myself. I wish
rub my head and rubber my temples and so forth, and I cannot conclude that must be
the physical manifestation of the milton
anguish from yet talkative.
now, the family who is doing stuff
the natural order. The natural order of things were there haven't a bit.
Their children, no parent
I've seen it a hundred times. You
estonia but bowed and that you know ass possible, but you always believe yoke.
Children are gonna bear you are you're hot
yeah. I always tell em everyone, the chief
brought here and let us
tell the story.
thing always say to them. Is one thing you won't hear me say as I know how you feel
if you haven't been there and buried a child, you can
No, you can empathy
his best, you can, but you can't know what they're going through, how much
they blame themselves how much they feel like. If I'd just cities, they play the haughty of game. What if I had taken
drive on to the store. What if I had picked up some things for him before? What? If I had done this, what if I didn't at what have we live somewhere? They play the what? If game
It drives I'm crazy. You can get
im you can get him a judgment. You can get him a settlement
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You can get them justice even just get him some measure. Accountability. Uk
get that child back form and it hell
and you get to feel good when you do, and I know they do, they feel like they ve some have pushed back and
made somebody be accountable. Year was February. Twenty sixth of
twelve. When
Trayvon Martin was killed by george Zimmerman and he
just seventeen years old.
So it has been ten years,
Since that happened, that case
changed you? Why did it change you so much
reason travelling change me as above. To said that I feel is,
This is a very high appealed, swaller most black,
but america head even a wee wee,
Hang I used to, we have become accustomed to the police, could kill,
Our children,
and be another
then got away with it but with-
Brave and end
stay you ground law, is there any time
dick and harry cookies,
children, but is low.
If they say oh
fear, my life,
the last thing you can go home sleepy your bed at night and you said mare, allow have that you can kill my child, whose
and your word is the gospel
get the girl sleep in your bed at night. There, I think, was worth
May travel more. This global
phenomenon where people say it as a bridge too far america, uk, at some point you gotta, say our children get the right to get equal justice too, because we
also the racial dynamics were different.
And that was a young seventeen, your white care there,
no way his killer. What a guy
they go home asleep in his bed at night.
two years later
tamir rice?
shot and killed in cleveland ohio
and he was twelve areas old, twelve years old plan,
The programme by himself in the
a video, the police rode up on it,
The one point five seconds
road onawandah shot, Nicky noble
when the jail I know about it
you're right. I mean. Is this enough?
Make you wanna hollow when you think about it.
Pretty hard to imagine
second and half.
The child is dead or playground was holding a toy gun, but
These are difficult times when that is the deep.
our response.
What do you say to yourself about that? Were
would it tells me, as we gotta go fight harder, because what I
I believe in my heart
an I wore believe in it,
The day I die.
We will win this war for life,
the injustice. Far the enemy
have equality will not win. This war is down a thing that keep going
I believe that we
are gonna have a better world all our children.
do you think progress is being made? You know
you think about the past year. You happy
Now that we are making progress, george floor,
first time in Minneapolis that police?
officers were convicted of sex
degree murder in their history for killer a blight.
it's not killing anybody and a pull it out.
His parents.
mark wylder- and I may he was lit
jargon while black, and that was in the deep south of
larger. You had a the
the trial was
levin, why? When black jure and they convicted the lynch mob,
you have to know that we are making progress,
but you know it's like everything is a journey
oh your journey. Sometimes you gonna take a step forward and then
you're gonna be ten times. Will you take a step back
you just always have keep your focus
the prize. You you just gotta, keep trying to move forward, no matter what happens. What's the most important thing
It needs to happen to really level
playing field of was into the young
I may not long ago, and he
with somebody having said that when you get
stop by the police at night, it's the most
just five minutes of your life and his parents
talk to him about it, and I remember, having too
black guys on the show that had been in
Confrontation with the police had a fast food restaurant and there
Parents were upset and they had gotten into a fracas, and I said, let me tell you something
I'll tell you, young man, something when a cop confronts you on the street.
You need to respect the badge and do exactly what you're told.
because your job is to get home alive and if you
had a problem with what they are doing said or did you need to pick your
battles and your battlefield, and
go file, a complaint and fire
the work on it, but you don't
that battle on the street
at night on armed
with somebody. This got a badge and a gun get home alive and pick that battle up tomorrow. By found
complainer. Whatever don't pick that fight that night and the parents were
this, like my god, thank you because they feel their prey
and they want to stand up for themselves and that's fine, but not the that's, not a bad you're gonna win
I get home alive,
stay with this tomorrow is that
good advice that has greater
I am a terrier, you I'm
If your credit, I'm a quota, have affair, that's not the time to pick the bowed, and you don't pick them
out of fear, we on the side of a dark street at night. Will you
If you move a certain way, they should
and here you and then
the prim coordinate about who say they justify, because they were
Beer in your life- and you now is the subject,
fears of young black and brown
people that you just graduated say: may
What is it about? A black person that makes you shoot first and ask questions later and use
the videos of young white, kids doin all manner of things to police and they always given the benefit of the doubt the bill of fare of consideration in the benefit of possibility
as so I'd think about my lab
Chris on there was a police officer ten years before
I became a civil rights attorney and we so often talk about. We police see things differently a lot, and he educates me because I I look at my. I is just so clear to me that this was wrong and they're a completely
unjustified, but he will say where the police
They don't know what situation are coming into and he
so I understand it
Sl Europe, vices beth, try even
it should not be our children's responsibility. Our community members,
ability says there: the profession is d
This offers of professionals but try your bess
de escalate, whatever the situation, because the goal is to leave to not be killed.
And then have other people marching for you.
Rehashed
that you right. That's the go. First,
What an appearance to say to the black sons
get home alive, and these young men were sad, but we didn't do it. I get it
I understand, I don't want
to be a right fighter.
I want you to walk out of their not
carried out. There go file a complaint
How many millions of dollars did the new york police department pay last year settling claims for me
squander, get paid,
dont get dad.
get home alive, and one of the things were to favour that point out of fear. One day that I keep talkin about ended
Mercury is a.
I wanna make it. I want
raised value black life in america so much way becomes.
Naturally, a sustainable for police to keep shoe,
black and brown people in the back. You know, kill.
Less and justifiably
I cannot understand for a life for me. Why why
surfaces think is the most dangerous thing in the world when a blue
Person is running away from now. I'm light
I would you shoot him in the back and they run away from you, but if
the cliche almost out of fear the here and now
a black man being shot in the back. I was in fear of my life, but they running away from you. How does that make any sense? And then I I go back to doing the comparisons as I was it
there. Even though blackmail make up only six percent of the population in america, you shoot them
You know when you look at people the bet we like eighty five percent. Ninety percent,
have a single shoot white men in the back,
really on when they run away from you. So is implicit.
I assume we gotta constantly the other animals, and that is just the police. I just think we're
one of the things I learned from you over the years. All of us have implicit biases. We just constantly got to keep working on them so that we don't act upon them.
But you don't act bottom, whatever they are by making it.
conscious decision not to an
that's what you're doing when you're going through.
Vor dire with a white jury.
you're putting it on their right are where they will make a conscious decision to say
I'm not gonna. Let this control me here is
and pointed out to me
and I am going to make a conscious decision to not let this be a fool
after that. I look at this evidence through that. I look at this case through an if you put it at the front of their mind and you dont. Do it in and accusatory way you just do it in a limitless,
to be honest with each other. Here then people
make allowances, for they can make adjustments for it.
Therefore, we need to do and I think some times it's done,
in such a way in
Her face hostile way that
yet backlash? They get resentment against it and that's the last thing that we
What what we want is people to really say yeah. That's a good point.
I need to consider that, which is what you are doing in further jury. Yeah
You know I'm account. You born. I learnt allow time ago from my grandmother that you can get more. Bees will furnish them vinegar,
so you go out and you talk to that gira, you don't accuser married, they you just try them.
The them be rational. Look at this from
rational view, and I think when you think about travel,
to george flawed. In those ten years you
continue to learn a: u evolve, you, your style, get better.
You are more selective ban, this
and how you communicate things and so forth, because he added think that a fair man
you're gonna, be a travel ban and you know that the cutter was
please polarized, but didn't you come too
flawed in you want.
leave we may progress, because,
so many young wiped out the margins, and I can't breathe until we get justice for george flaw
as there were young black people s,
it tells me there.
our message is starting to get to do, but we gotta keep it up and we,
keep it louder
to have tat, have not stopped
no there's no way that.
a human life is worth a lesson and
you hear people say well, look. He was no angel,
there wasn't anything that he may have done. That was a capital events, we know
everyday Hampshire here, thank god that we ve got body camps and things like that where people can see
What took place guy a game J, the digress to feel that I want bill hate the people on the other. They try to take action.
Only just show, but at least want to say this body cameras have been a game: changer a game changer for decades
black people will say the police brutalize a mayor. They are you
they shouted suggested in
body would believe and hope that it will be
leave him. But you know we now have the video
Was that you say hello,
who you gotta, look at this video lisa
they now is there. A mud was just jogger, he was jargon, while black
he did the wrong to provoke this, and if it were now,
video,
They never would have been brought to justice. Enable a video took us now much right, but you know if
because when we will, you show
here. You remember it
as the video have been released, and then you were gracious enough to help us raised
business love of fishermen
ban, let's for jargon, while black in the video that
erica has. Are we the people who made them byerly arrest is lynch mob.
We'll see about a police on day. Why this?
exactly what we saw in they say. We ok with your lives,
There's someone, I know so many
men and women in law enforcement.
That were so appalled by what they saw, that it just turned her stomach. It made him furious to see that dismayed am furious to see it.
because everybody paints them with that brush.
and that's not- who they are, is not the way they are, and that is the council strongly cause. Think about george floor. You know you saw
our photos, offices, s air, hopefully
one of them would have their humanity say. I might have taken the off his neck, everybody everybody I met. Ah street was there you kill em, you killed them. Everybody can see it
seems like the professionals who were trying to understand
the answer that tells me that is
not just about training. They got to have empathy for their fellow human beings. There are some
people that just shouldn't be
in that job because less thinking
that it by the time that it happened.
That was may twenty.
by the time that it happened among,
barbary, had happened. Brianna Taylor had happened,
Tamir rice had happened,
the brown and margaret version. It happened at that point, the laudable
officer is gonna know you know what
everybody stand around. Here is gotta camera everybody
he's got. Audio
everybody's hearing them say what they're saying, which means this
foreseeable
Not only is it wrong, it's foreseeable
and all I gotta do is move a little bit and set
This gentlemen, up and put him in the car we're out here, but to not
there is something seriously wrong this problem.
solving skills are bad. You, you can't even
in your expert here that the fear, but you have to say what
go to your mire wit ever
it is telling you
kill them. And
put your hands on your pocket and keep your knee on his net
a man not two minutes? Not three minutes now for men is not five men
that's six minutes
Seven minutes not eight minutes
open the minutes, and I wouldn t
we do that, hopefully a listener audience who say alone
We just used about ten seconds,
This man was almost ten minutes all is nick. Is
dinner will move and clearly
Some point:
seven minutes ago, sir
is to be any kind of threat if there was
ever a threat, its impact,
simple to make any sense out of it's impossible to make any sense, and I will say if I give a lot of credit to the minneapolis police department, I saw something I had
I was saying about twenty five years of practice in law.
I saw, the police officers commented at court roman minnesota and they testify against one of their fellow offices and it was kind of profound
even though we shall bear so shocked by
We were shocked because police dinner they never pass.
the blue wow and testify
each other, no matter how much they would always say to black people.
now community, where
when you see some.
people do some bear say some tell somebody.
You know they will say that, because they will always talk about. Oh, where young
Are we not goes nature of work as though they are the whole bit campaigns? If he sees the doves,
but does that I'm wrong a criminal
I own
I would always say
you show us how to do it? Police
and they never would into jaws floor, and it was
historical yeah. Oh, I agree
what do you think about this? Defend the police movement that
spun up out of this. You know, I think, that
how you title: somethin can't kill it quicker there.
In it. Bearing are you know that
right so rightly the Malcolm X, sayer, a label
and can kill you quicker than a bullet. Ah M,
thought about, you know you got in and we'll talk about convicted fell as to how these labour they put all young people of color, but I think
What they're saying what I want to believe their san is: we can't just put everything into policing and not put stuff enter after school care, not put stuff.
Inter milton health awareness, a milton health,
crisis, intervention, officials and so forth, and so,
that's what they should have been santa less
the resources out to be community partners.
Versus their lives,
take out the money from the police budget. They caused it.
doing a good for now. We need police
Police have a vital role that they serve in
our society is so
Whenever never me say defined the police, what I
say is how can
we re imagine. Ah
unity safety? How can we imagine
public safety das. What we need to be
down fine it as well of talk
a lot of black.
Business owners income?
immunities and
they don't want less police, they want their businesses protected, they don't wanna, be robbed accosted, they want protection and they
this don't want to be afraid of the people that are protecting them. So first off
I think defined was
the wrong word.
Funding, never happened. They may have
Can a million dollars from this department, but then they spend it in overtime and if
it went down. The whole city budget went down and now they're talking about
funding but the high
point to me,
is you. Ve got
get back to doing two things. One is community relations. You put
officers back on the b where their walking the streets in meeting the people and knowing them and shaking their hands and understanding who this young man is and who that young man is at all? Then
you really have community relations
it's not just some. Stranger, rolling up venice,
I'd car and shoots her body and one point five seconds:
then the other is it's not about taking money away from the police. It's about putting more money.
and to certain areas, because what you say is exactly right: if
put money in to mental health. If you put money into the community.
there are violence clusters in communities and it is very clustered you go into certain neighborhoods
there might be a twenty eight square block neighbourhood vice
whence clusters within even too
we're three blocks within that neighborhood
that's where all the bad actors are.
You can go in and focus on these micro clusters,
you don't even have to go drop the hammer there
you can go in and talk to those young man and
offer them alternatives, give them some choices and
some education and help there so much that can be done
You ve gotta, have police for what's happening right now today
if you have a home invasion today you want a cop to show up today,
This is stuff that can be done. That can help six months from now on a year from now. We need to do both. We need to have police and we need a people working in neighborhoods, so we don't need so many police. Yet
What you really want is a community partner and the police are classed as I think
what you said about walk in the big bang.
Able to know the people who use
were assigned to that that's huge.
because I think a lot of it is ignored,
in itself
but you don't know, but if I had a new author new chris and I knew their son or their daughter and I
upon a situation, I'm late,
likely now to hear
Gaza, but I got a shoot so bad because now I been
that work.
Chris and weave coach. The police athletic glee covered,
to do those things in the community and we begin
By that I mean
get the know. Everybody in the house, schools in the middle school, all those young people, because during the summer, what out of school
you come a coach, the basketball team. Are you gonna? Do you know literally football team in it makes a world of difference, because now you got peep
who really know that young kid and they may strike? I'm not saying that the indo,
you have some connection to their that use
see them as a person does worthy
try to invest and versus a person who S.
As a minister society will have walked to beat?
the cops in Washington hides in in harlem in new york, city and bail out
Great vendors out there we walk by one of m unless a after nelson jacks,
This ran by here and stole two bottles of orange juice and they walk now
half block near jackson, sit nearness, a hey, get your but up and take
back down. There is not about
put them in jails, not about arrest them, a meaning that the guy suffering,
from some mental problems they get up and take
back down there and leave her alone. It solved
There is not about arresting put him in jail increase incarceration. They solve it right. There say dogma,
may come back there. Ok, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! It's over air! That's what.
happens when you know everybody and you're walking to beat it, and I think that fear a solution can't always to pull my gun and shoot. I may that's what I struggle with.
so many times. You see these there,
Why is that?
a day, no raw battles to care run.
Where do you live
may I wash. You is alone video like. Why do you have a shoe
That is a lucia every time and, if you're a cop,
Would you do that? You know this is on video, the abbess that's too bad
I want more geared to political, but you think about the great restraint they show launch anyway. Six just great restraint, man back a blow,
People ever get some of that kind of consideration. Yeah yeah, you would
when you there
I have to say this because I wouldn't be a big crop, provided that the fear can you
If that was black lives matter, o j were six now there will be a different situation, allow may they would have done so many people do you.
its fear and ignorance of just not knowing the culture, not knowing the people, I think, is what you say. First and foremost,
here then people plan on our fear the need
common denominator amongst us. They wanna get not what brings us together, but wig
a separate it and they play on a fearful what ever reasons it.
They don't make sense to me why people will make themselves
be manipulated by some spam.
god whose just keeps there. Oh you can't let people
equal cost that maize is gonna, be worse for you now,
Why can't we try to say just
at least I will say this. He said that they say when they were
got about integrating baseball. They say where we lit blacks and hispanics come
Two major league baseball,
brain on the quality of the game when the river
then said the reality worse. We didn't know how good a baseball could be better. We lit
everybody play the game.
up and athletic shoes. We were really poor, and that was my currency. That's how
fit in? It was athletics and all
the teams that I played on were half black half white
and that's how I got to know the
different races. It took away all the mystery, and I just
I think that such an important part of just interacting in getting to know it
took away all the mystery. There was no fear, and it was two ways:
absolutely took it away.
From a very early age.
I want to go back down for you have me some before
he said. Ah, what do you think is the thing
we should do a possible solution, an arm
The increase in that we were at a panel. People
about time cover is. I was a team effort and always what a tear people is never eyes. We is not big rochester
team of us and we were at a panel discussion and
her of a young man say something profile. He said there was a book called upstream upstream
And he said that the gist of the book as this year,
black guy walking along the river. Has walker
on his young black care in the rear was screaming and go on.
the drowning and he jumped up
river, anything
saved his life and his mare,
I'm happy. I was there to save it.
I'm black child's life,
say it as soon as he I
felt himself. He saw another
black key, a second black key
raymond out in the river, and he was
hell of a help. When he was gone under drowning and he jumped in the river, then
they back, he is life and there he said I was happy. I was there because.
This kid would drown. Had I not been there as soon as he with patent himself on the back that fear. He said he heard a third young black
hey in the rivers screamer asking for help.
becoming thou railway. He jumped in the river and he say
back here. He's there
I want to know, is who keep
these black cave in the river and he's a we can't wait to be
deal with the issue downstream. We gotta go upstream and prevent them from thought. So many of the black kids in the river s
the key of provincia in
these social areas where this police and mass incarceration, whatever we got to try to deal with the problems before they get down.
Ring what a great way to say there
what a great way to say it again
country listens.
it'll be so much more economical, so much more effective, a man and think of what
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by not harvesting these young
mine's better
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so much
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mines that aren't being harvested because you're not getting opportunity air
again equal opportunity enough. All you want is an equal chance and I always
keep saying that we are asking for as better
Let us have an equal opportunity. The american dream dancer
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