However, everyone, I'm stephen west, this is philosophize. This thinking to everyone who supports the show on patron for an ad free version of the show, some at any level at patria. Dotcom, slash, philosophize this. So whenever you hear people talking about, does Toby and futures or digital panopticon, one of the once it's always gonna get brought up. Is George orwell's nineteen. Eighty four, it's a classic! It's like the casablanca does Toby. In future, I mean I'd like to dine it. If I could it talks about a surveillance state that is all encompassing, not unlike the one we just referenced on the freedom vs security episode we did, but to the philosopher we're talking about today, young chul, han nineteen, eighty four for a lot of people out there that are and about the stuff may actually end up being a bit of a red herring, see to him there's a lot of different types of just hoping futures. It could happen out there and if you're, only looking for one of em, you may end up missing the one you're actually living in two han, the far more accurate,

very example of a disturbing future that resembles a world wherein is not orwell's nineteen. Eighty four but Aldous huxley's nineteen thirty two book called brave new world, to end brave new world. Totally different, vibe nineteen. Eighty four first of all the people in the book under a single, unified global world state, everybody is one in the book. and when someone dies there are people, haven't babies to be able to replace them. The government replaced m. By grown a new human inside of a hatchery, far less messy, then this new person from birth is cycle be conditioned an engineered by the government for particular role in the society, depending on what needed, after certain point, once people come of age in the book, the guy and gives everybody a hallucinogenic drug called sohmer that they take every day. Now it's not mandatory to take so much in the book, but. Basically, everybody in the society does it makes you com, it makes a compliant. It makes you free any sort of negative emotions that might otherwise come up and mess with the stability of the society and Byung Chul han. This is

far better metaphor for how our digital panopticon operating because in our world, is not a matter of guilty people by pointing cameras at them all day and forcing them to fall in line. You just make people dependent upon a drug and then watch as they continue to take that drug voluntarily, day after day after day, It's funny a lot of people enjoyed last episode of the show, a lot of comments. Some people didn't like han, so much lot of people did, but one interesting comment that was recurring from the people that liked what he had to say was simply. Why haven't I heard of this guy before strange. He has such a powerful message. Where is he in the news media while there's a few reasons for that for one his work, he hasn't been translated into english until fairly recently but maybe the main reason that inform person like yourself wooden have heard about han before this is His ideas dont really fit and neatly to the often over simplified political narrative that dominates western media manipulation,

the work can be reduced into something that was one hundred per cent conservative or one hundred per cent progressive he'd be a superstar right now. The problem is his work. Isn't that simple? if your work is that simple? It's tough for media, that's driven by ideology to nobody even place you! for them to know whether you are actually an ally. You're not like. Are you fully committed son to agreeing with us literally everything that ever comes out of our mouth. Are you going to play ball? They don't like his answer to that question. The good news, though, is that for a show, like this were driven by an ideology of curiosity, if anything, we're trying to entertain ideas without necessarily accepting them right. So in that context he fits in perfectly here now. I have an obvious statement to lead this episode with, but it needs to be said, because han is a guy that's doing his work in today's world. He's often commenting on things that are going on in today's world. So over the course of this episode, there's gonna be several things were talking that no doubt your article, I've heard about and more than like

you're already, and have intelligent explanations for why these things are occurring. That's fine, but just know that beyond he'll HANS he's, many of these things are a totally different lens and other people in the media landscape. He see through the lens of his work that we started talking about last episode, so whether it's the crisis of democracy, conspiracy theories, fake news, writes a passage. There's gonna be several things. We talk about in this episode, just know that byung Chul han sees all these things as manifestations of that ethos. We talked about on last episode and that in this episode, we're talking about the actual examples, the actual points of contact he sees and how society is changing and because there's going to be several of these, if I had to summon up and put it into a thesis to give this episode some initial, structure. I'd say this: that the rise of narcissism, the rise of authenticity, that he has a neo liberal slogan, everyone should be aiming for and the rise of this technique

Oh gee, everyone uses that makes everyone's experience of reality. Far more shallow. All these things, combined to be a chill han, are making several very important things that bind and connect society completely disappear in philosophical terms, what he says is disappearing are constructive forms of negativity and each one of these things it's disappear. it is going to have a different book that he writes it's dedicated to. It now will know what he means by constructive negativity by the end of the episode point is to say that everything that binds or connects people is being destroyed by the structure of society. That's a pretty big statement to make. So I want to start with that big statement, and I want to take some time here to give a few examples of what he's talking about, and just so we don't skip anything. I want to start from the place that we ended. Last episode on, it seems pretty uncontroversial to start this episode by saying that what happens when you give people this

message that they're a project to be optimized that they're a commodity that needs to improve their market value by constantly learning and growing that they are the sole person that we determining who they are and that if anybody ever tries to tell them who or what they should be to not listen to that person. When you divvy out that message to people in mass bianco han would say it should not be surprising to you if what emerges from that is a society where people generally just consider the existence and opinions of other people less, because our focused on themselves and are more sceptical towards community bonds that try to tell them what to do, because they should decide what to do.

And if these inwardly focused people are more skeptical of things that bond communities together then one of the common things in the world. This type of person is naturally going to be antagonistic towards are the very rituals and traditions the communities often participate in put another way to be young Chul han a trap. That's common for a narcissistic person to fall into is that they will reject social norms, mores customs and politeness, and they will reject these things we on the basis of who are any of these people. To tell me how I should be acting anyway. If you want a good example, the kind of thing is talking about. Think of something like not using swear words and public are, on the one hand, not swearing in public at bottom is a completely arbitrary thing to just impose upon people from me Side of what what you got your little list of forbidden words are not supposed to say what do they make? The old people are The uncomfortable tell grandma I to go, eat or lemon drops into a crossword puzzle over there and let the adults talk the way we are going to talk, and I'm not just going to

Rob let your feet because you have certain sounds your parents told you were bad and it makes me feel uncomfortable, that's nonsense, but on the other hand, bianco hon might say arbitrary, as it may seem. Not using swear. Words in public is actually a token of respect to a collective social agreement. We all have, that finds us all together. In some way I mean what are we really do and when we have an unwritten agreement that we're not gonna do something anything in part. What we're sand is. Look we're all out here, we're we're all still alive, well waken up every day, taking a shower going to work. Trying to make this whole thing operate. This whole thing by the way we all recognise when it comes down to it, is a pretty fragile, exe merriment we're running on a razors edge that in many ways relies on the cooperation of everyone continuing to play along, not using swear words in public in some societies this is an example of one small thing. We all do that's part of the glue that holds that society together, in other words the

function of the ritual in this case is that it binds and connects people together in some way now from the perspective of the narcissist, they don't see it that way, or at least it's hard for them to from there. Effective, there's, just something that's being imposed upon them from the outside this people tell me what I can and cannot do. Nobody should be doing that and because they see everything only in terms of that immediate transact will value to them it's hard for them to see the value this has to the group more broadly, and obviously this extends far beyond the useless, where words and public take another example of something in the realm of being polite to each other you're back into the grocery store, little too fast with your cart, you come to an intersection someone from another I'll come so that exact same intersection. You almost hate each other, but you don't you guys both give the wave barn me about that the smile and then you move on. Why do we do that? Why waste your time doing that from an hour this is the point of view. A person doesn't own, the grocery I'll have every right to be there, just as much as them why

I paid deference to any other person on this planet and ask them to be in the store. Who are they have a problem with me, if they have a problem with me, then they never have to see me again. This inward obsession right. You can certainly see it this way, but rituals customs norms to be uncle han. These are things that of certain absolutely crucial social function, all throughout human history and again, the prevalence of this sort of narcissistic rejection of them amplified by technology, is leading to their disappearance. get down to it. What is a ritual to Han, because the example I've given so far have just been in the domain of politeness, but, as you can imagine, rituals fall under a much broader class of definition in his book called the disappearance of rituals han says he thinks a good way to describe the function of a ritual is to call it a temporal technology for housing oneself. Now surface to some that can sound overly philosophical cringe levels. Are effort are going on here to try to sound smart guy

in our view, level cringe, but it actually makes a lot of sense if you take a second to break it down. If a technology is something we often make the provide some sort of use for us as people a temporial technology temporial, meaning related the time a temporial technology. A ritual is something that does something useful for us when it comes to the progression of time to get closer to what he means hans as rituals are in time. As things are in spain but think about what he means by that imagine being in physical space with no physical things around you, but would that be like, while it be like being in parts of outer space she just be floating in whatever direction you were there, be nothing to walk on the bead. Nothing to reach towards there'd, be no structure to any of it at all, but so too, with rituals when it comes to the passage time for han a society without rituals or Individual life without rituals is one where every single moment blurs into the next

there's nothing to mark the end of one activity or period and life in the beginning. of another there's. No closure for han think of the cow complaint. You'll hear in modern society of people say, there's no such thing as a right of passage anymore. They'll say there is no ritual or no specific moment that graduates, someone from being a child into an adult, for example, but when that's a possibility for someone, the result of this is sometimes that it becomes possible to just sort of sit in adolescence for a decade, your life, and they become so embarrassed by your life that you finally move on to the next stage. It's a bad look but, more importantly, the han it's a tragic look, because it suggests one example of hundreds in the modern world where people don't ever get closure on one period of their life so that they can be fully immersed in present in the next period of their life to just get stuck in purgatory in a lot of ways. Now the reason these transitions between different moments in life in moments in our day are important is because, at a deep deep level, we are narrative creatures to Han. We make sense of our

I've we get meaning from the things that are going on in the world around us when they fit to some larger structured story that we have to, Young Chul han rituals provide that structure. They are the things that give meaning to time and turn time anything other than just an endless succession of separate moments that are all unrelated to each other and how does

any one moment come together into a meaningful plot point in the story of your life. When HANS says that a ritual is a temporal technology for housing oneself, this is what he means by it, which is also to say and more philosophical terms that they provide a certain amount of what han calls constructive negativity they slow time down in a way to han things that bind or connect communities together. Things like trust, integrity, commitment, faithfulness. These are not instantaneous things. These are things that take time to develop, which then allows deeper connections within the group as a whole. To develop to han life loses all stability when everything in it is short term rituals prove I that more long term structure so again from a narcissistic perspective when you're just wrapped up in your own life, it's so easy to be a critic of a ritual that is not immediately benefiting you in a transactional way. It's so easy make fun of these morons duenna flash mob really did that make you feel special

waving your hands around messing with people's day or But the morons doing that the ten millionth gender reveal party this year, I wonder if it's gonna be blue on one hand, it so easy to make fun of em, but on the other hand, if you're somebody whose life is practically devoid of rituals go, do a flash mop tommy, I feel afterwards you'll laugh at the sheep that are all going off to university. For example, but, on the other hand, go to a university immerse yourself in that ritual completely and tell me how you feel afterwards to build oh honey. We need daily and lifelong rituals to help bring that narrative. Structure into our lives in a world. That's making an increasing hard to be able to get those things by default. And just so. We don t interrupt me up to any point beyond this, I want to thank everyone who helped keep the podcast going by supporting the sponsor the show today. This episode sponsored by better help. You know that little shit they give me that tells me what the

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appear as well, he writes about it in his book called the information society. First of all, it should be said, truth and knowledge. These are also not things to be. Honda can get instantly injected into your head with a tick tock or a youtube video you know same way that when it comes to rituals world it would otherwise be a sea of moments that are all unrelated to each other. If rituals didn't give them that context as part of the narrative of your life when it comes to developing knowledge or truth or a cohesive narrative about how reality works. Looking down at your phone and being fed and endless stream of these fragmented bits of information, news stories, social media, post videos, none of this stuff is being presented to you in a way that even attempts to link it to any context that may said, enduring that's a problem to be punctual han in one form or societies. You'd get a piece of information about reality, and then you have a while to sit with it. You would content

pleaded. You consider what it means within a larger narrative framework, you'd way, those ideas up against the narrative framework of other people and come out the other side of that whole process with something that was, actually illuminating about reality. But in today's world he says with the constant stream of information the stream of information. Russia's past the truth, There's no time anymore, for anyone to truly think there's no constructive negativity because by the times, One gets done reading one of these self referential news stories. It's now time read the next new story, so they can stay up to date. Your life really does become kind of. Like a MR beast, video word three seconds can't go by without explosions, goin off and oh look now, there's a treasure chest full of money on the screen, oh now, their shootin at each other in an apache helicopter, punctual han would say you know just try to appreciate how, truly different? That is from the way, almost every other human being has ever lived if europe

and living during the middle ages, for example, the content that you consumed If you had any the external information that you consume, that was potentially gonna influence you you literally thought it the word of god, like your news anchor What's the creator of the universe in your eyes, but now now live in the age of information. Now we just have cnn and fox. Now we have fun canoes. Now, what we have is an endless stream of unverified contingent surface level information today I'm really illuminates anything about reality. In fact, it does the opposite to harm it further disorient people, it just produces anxiety, it fragments perception. Every piece of information relies on surprised people like if you, the weirdo that reads a new story in today's day and age and you're, sat on it for a week contemplating it deliberating by the time you got back to the news cycle, you'd be so far behind the story, wouldn't even matter anymore

we'd. Realizing that moment is that these stories are not so hard hitting journalism that people have put a lot of effort into they really are just surface level, informations that the news outlook could have something to put up there on the screen to surprise people and get them clicking. And it's because of this reality in this age of formation, rather than knowledge that people are just more susceptible to things like fake news and they ve ever been before two hundred years ago. Fake news couldn't never been this effective, but because people don't even have time to verify the last. story and connected to a larger narrative before they have to get back to their news apt to be informed about the next story that speed that access that excess positivity to Han creates an environment where fake news is not only possible but is proliferating. This also creates the environment. He thinks worthy rise and conspiracy. Theories in recent years starts to make a lot more

sense, because people are lacking that binding connecting narrative of truth. That's always existed before this now people become so desperate to actually have a narrative that they even start creating their own additives or latching onto others that aren't necessarily very sound, but their followers never realized at anyway, as long as we keep feeding them so much information that they stay in a frenzy of whatever is being talked about right this. Second, if rituals are the constructive negativity that slows down time enough to create trust and integrity and other necessary social bonds than in this

world or we're just fed cursory raw information. Contemplation is going to be the thing that slows things down enough to allow for truth and knowledge to be possible once again for han. What's disappearing from society is at bottom. This constructive negativity, he says quote: not all negativity is destructive, not infrequently forms of negativity such as hesitation, pausing, boredom waiting or rage prove constructive Those are threatened with disappearance in the course of society's increasing positive position, end quote so to move on to another area of life that hauntings has been disintegrated. The removal of this negativity he thinks is actually started to undermine culture and a fundamental level and all the places where people in the past have gotten their sense of ice Kennedy altogether. So if any one in recent years has made the claim that we're in a period where people feel like they're in a crisis of meaning and a crisis of identity, all at the same time, if that said to be one

mark of our age, here's where bianco hans, where can start to explain why he thinks that's occurring, because when this neo liberal ethos of questioning outside rituals and norms win that gets applied at the level of coal what you get to harm is what we commonly call in normal everyday conversation guy liberalization, you get an attitude by me hey man, hey. What's with all these arbitrary lines in the sad man, we with all these borders between people. We are opening up. We gonna stop pretending like races and nationalities, mean anything we're all one thing we're all the same. Now it seems like a very inclusive sentiment there, but these sub- text of saying that none of these boundaries between people are real is at your also say in your perceived individual culture, the kind of thing historically people of use for thousands of years to get pieces of their sense of identity and meaning these some taxes that gap that isn't real either

you just gotta get over all these arbitrary differences, your focusing on and noticed a connection to last episode when he was talking about the terror of the same and how this whole attitude eventually smooths everything out and takes away the rough edges, so that nobody's disagreeing anymore and everything can t on being economically productive and efficient, the end game of a neo liberal ethos of authenticity to harm, is not a bunch of different groups that are all coexisting, but seven and a half billion narcissists all with their own worldviews competing with each other in complete peace, but one thing clear. This is not uniting everyone to Bianco han. This is homogenized everyone. When you push for globalization by turning everything into the same thing, you're not dealing with the actual differences

between you and the other you're just making it so that you never have to encounter the other ever again, because now, everybody's the same but to Han. This is a bad move, because there's such a thing, he says as healthy boundaries between truly different cultures. That's what we should be aiming for. What we need han says is more of what he calls arrows now. Heiress is a term. That's been used at several points throughout human history. First introduced in ancient greek mythology, arrows represented the forces of love and desire. At that time, I believe it was used by freud Jung. We talked about it in our frankfurt school series. The important point here, so we don't get too far off track- is that it records

it's another. One of these things that bind and connect us together in human relationships, this disappearing to be young, Chul, han han, doesn't define arrows as love and desire. He writes about it in his book called the agony of arrows and he calls it at one point quote the relation to the holy other and quote not wholly like, like in a biblical sense, but wholly like the entirely other is what he means. We've obviously touched on this piece. his work last episode and we talked about trying to listen to some one, as they are not just in terms of how they trends actually benefit you or compare to you, but in their total difference from you feeling sitting with how uncomfortable that may make you feel and not trying to get away from it. Arrow says, formal name that he gets to it and notice how easily something that historically embodied love quickly turns into something that truly acknowledges real differences and other groups as they are, if you're a poetic sort of person, you can really start to see how the two terms overlap with each other. Differences to Han are absolutely crucial for

any kind of healthy human relationship that you're ever going to try to have on a personal level, if you're hanging out with a bunch of people that you have zero real differences with. That's probably not a good thing, while in the same way when a society doesn't this arrows a society without these counter waiting voices that truly questions itself a success. that has nothing to shake it out of its narcissistic inward. This. That is an unhealthy society as well. It is a whore but thing for the immune system of a society for everything to be exactly the same. He says we need that immunological response, we need uncomfortable differences to exist between groups. If we want things to remain balanced again what we do,

Want is just seven and a half billion narcissists all screaming their own personal religions at each other, starting to lose my voice here, I'm going to fight through it, though sorry about that. So another, more political part of the reason. It's important to preserve the differences that make communities possible to Han is because, just from a historical perspective, if there was ever a group that was being treated badly throughout history and the people in those groups wanted to do something to try to change their situation in the past, it was possible for them to organise band together and then rise up to try to make their circumstances better. But, as he says, if we get to a place in the world where there is no we to be able to rise up in a world where people feel like all they do is play and if any seems wrong in their life. It's their individual fault for it being that way, that is a form of positive power, becomes confuse seeing as to how to even get out of it. We need, unity for people to be able to have that leverage point

and to combine this idea with what we were just talking about: the rise of information and the decline of truth and knowledge. These are gonna, be two cornerstones of what's absolutely necessary if we ever want to have a functioning democracy, so were experiencing anything in today's world that anybody out there may refer to as a crisis of democracy beyond johannes gonna pointed this out. The reason why, because the possibility of a democracy ever working presupposes the idea People can be reasonably informed about the world and then can have real reasonable amounts of intelligent conversation with other citizens, so that the people can decide where society goes next, but that's practically impossible anymore to be young Chul han. We already talked about the absolute dumpster fire of a situation when it comes to staying informed, while most of our communication with each other within modern democracies, these days goes on over the bandwidth of social media. In other words, they go on a place where nobody really even tries to communicate effectively ever social media.

Certainly doesn't incentivize real conversation. There certainly are no real communities being developed on there and he says it's interesting communities of people used to exist historically and the very thing that boy did them together. We're things that nobody in the community really needed to speak about, because everybody knew what connected them. It went unsaid. He says we used to have communities without communication. Nowadays we have communication without community once again its also overly positive in today's climate. It's all just talking and ranting and access to information and none of the constructive negativity that slows things down and leads to productive discussion or act. what consensus as you're, no doubt sing by this point to be punctual han. There are just areas of human life that are different when the world

is dominated by positive power and the shallow kind of technology and the effects of this spread into practically every corner of society that you can possibly imagine so in his book. The transparency society he talks about how society sees transparency, as this undeniable good, how everyone should have no secret say if they do, and they must be hiding something how access to information should be big? What is and how could anybody really argue against that? Otherwise, again, there's this obvious access of positivity that he thinks symbolizes this age were living in, but to hunt is always trying to ask the question what is taken away from a human life, and we value these positive virtues so much more today when it comes to transparency in particular, what's taking away their habit, the very need to trust and other person. Does that

it's become obsolete in a society of total transparency. To give an example along the lines of our digital panopticon, let's say: you're going to parent your kids and the way you decided to do. It was you're just going to put up a here, too cameron their playroom and make em know that their being watched all the time giant screw you on the wall like you're, the fear of the house got it on etsy. What that solves the problem right there behaving now, but does it solved. The problem: are you really being apparent there, or does the security camera destroy something that's more vital to that whole process of becoming a young adult. This excessively positive attitude as harm would call it that everything is We available to everyone all the time and how that scene. An undeniable good that there can be no downside to some my favorite parts. A hans work is when he talks about how there's just something deeper, that's going

seeing when that world view actually becomes a reality. Public spaces are starting to disappear. He says you know informer societies that were physical places where you had to go up. There are particular things that you want to get done for ample. If you want to get a rare piece of information, yet the library or to the school or to the bookstore. These were places at embodied that learning spirit, but in a word old, where every piece of information in the history of humankind is available to all the time on your phone. That's wonderful at all, but there's something different about your experience of the world when there's some sort of negative friction worked into the equation of getting a piece of knowledge, for example, where you live for a book. It has this piece of information. You want you go down to the library, but they don't have the book. Oh, but a branch, twenty miles away. Has it so you take three buses? You go down there only to find other just rented out the last copy. Five minutes before you go.

There, then, on your way home, you stop at a random book. Storing you find the book there there's something to that loss of negativity that loss of friction. That change is a success, the experience of being a person in the modern digital world? But anyway, when my favorite things that HANS says about any of this stuff is what he thinks you should do about it personally. If you recognise that is going on and you dont want to participate in it part of his advice to you would be to be an idiot, be an idiot, though he doesn't mean it like. You should just be stupid, in fact, the pejorative use of the word idiot is actually a fairly new thing in human history. Back in ancient greece, for example, the go into the word we now uses idiot really just meant someone who was a common person who didn't really participate in public affairs or ever aspire to hold public office. It didn't mean that were stupid. but nonetheless, more recently been called an idiot means that you are seen as dumb by the conventional wisdom of the society that you're living, but for han, if the will

some of the society or living in is one where people are these self obsessed achievement, hunters that get fed and endless stream of surface level in for me,. action in an instantly swap over to social media to scream there, half baked narcissistic take on it people that are all doing the same thing. If that's the conventional some of the world where living in be an idiot in that society be the more that's going to slow down and truly contemplate things and how they connect to a larger world picture, be the idiot whose okay, with not being entirely sure about how you feel about an issue. Even if it's an issue, that's super important to you be the idiot that is ok with being bored, sometimes for awhile, instead of just being entertained all the time in a society that tells you that you, constantly need to be optimizing and improving your mind, be the idiot. That's ok Accepting your own mental limitation sometimes be ok with not being the smartest person who's ever lived by the EU.

Yet the can allow yourself to feel negative emotion, sometimes like sadness or rage or fear, and a society that tell see that all those things somehow need to be fixed, be the idiot that can experience real soon. Go and uncomfortable moments in life without it, and always run from them, you can be at one with the society of comfort and instant gratification, because if that's, what an idiot is in this society then maybe someone calling you an idiot is actually a pretty big compliment. Next episodes gonna be out in six days on the ninth of october. Thank you for listening I'll talk to you next time,