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voters overwhelmingly rejected a constitutional amendment that would have allowed the state legislature to ban abortion and they so, by a margin of fifty eight to forty one percent anti. Abortion activists targeted tuesday's primary because it was mostly republican races, and so they thought that mostly republicans would turn out. They were wrong. Turnout was twice as large as it was in the twenty eighteen primaries? Nearly a million voters turned out, including a hundred thousand independent voters who couldn't even cast a ballot in either parties primary there. It is independent voters who turned out purely to vote on this amendment Abortion amendment results were to the left of the twenty twenty presidential results in every single county, even the most rural areas of Kansas dan. How the hell did this happen? I mean nick

what about the new york times today. There is like a times compilation of national polling before the election that showed forty, eight percent of Kansas voters, Abortion should be mostly legal. Forty seven percent said most the illegal they also showed between twenty cooperative election study, also showed an even split in that state. So what happened ha had to happen one day, John. That poles will be wrong. Now. Look, I think, it is worth taking a moment to feel really good about this. That mean this is kansas. This is not a blue state people say we're not malicious. It is a state, so republican they want them Famous books written about republic is called. What's the matter with kansas, I do stay down everyone making your what's the matter with kansas jokes on twitter, we ve seen a witch. They are so that's it. That's it! No on the potato

my every single fuckin person had some lay on what's the matter with canvas, unlike none of them, none of them are funny there They rank up there with the b f de jokes around me inflated reduction. That is also a sign of how old you are by the way, as were you dig in deepening the democratic party problems in the early arts, but it is every year without book is called it anyway. Sorry arriving, but It's like this to say that voted for donald trump by fifteen points, and I think it is worth just stepping back and feeling good about it in part, because it shows the absolute power were of this issue, because we have a guess: we're stuck in this mentality that that's really Poland, while warn that nothing matter. Or even when things do matters like marginal shifts, right, Donald trump, sparks and insurrection. He goes down to four, the poor, compelling

evidence of donald trump committing crimes means they were up to a whopping two and ten republicans who think you should go to jail. Rightly they pass and curly unpopular tax guide. Nothing really changes and that you do with it poor countries they changed the martyred matter, matters a lot, but the way this is played out Thus far, since the deposition suggested big ships can happen, when I think is have an abortion is not just like a new health care bill The tax law minimum wage passes it doesn't. It is the fact that two thirds of this country was born after the road decision, which means two third and they've lived their entire lives. Were you in a constitutional right to make a fundamental decision about europe? body, then an unelected group, six people most my point about people who got less votes than their opponents.

Elections took away that right. This is something about it's about the issue of abortion. It's about freedom and it clearly has sparked something very powerful in the area. and so I think that is how we ended up here. This is not. This is not an access is not a low turnout situation where sometimes in these situations, once the site, the passion is, turn out more people and it doesnt reflect the large electorate. This is a high turnout primary, and so it says a lot about what Politics is shifted since this room court decided to meddle with people's rights. The turnout was two thirds of the twenty twenty presidential election, two thirds of a presidential election for a mostly public in primary in the middle of august. In the term year that unheard now we all know that we cannot wait for a season, just two Democrats turned

higher rates than register republicans, which almost never happens, and american politics these days, Steve chronology crunch the numbers one fifth of all, the no votes, no to the amendment, which is the pro choice position came from Republicans. One fifth came from publicans, so you know speaking up publicans like should these results scared the shit out of every republican candidate in every competitive race and the country? Yes, yes, they should they absolutely and I think you head on in your intro the number this it scare them the most, which is hundred thousand independence to only to vote on this issue. There no other reason internet, they were barred by law. often voting on any other offices is not a case of there is a we contested google, it primary or sent a primary the cause of much. We will turn out and they voted on abortion. They turned out. Sure they'd never turned out in before

they have. No history of voting in primaries has kansas as a closed primary process, and they voted because they believed this was worth voting on it worth their time and energy, and I think that should be very, very alarming to republicans. While I also think it's worth noting that just about every republican candidate in the most high profile, competitive races in the country has taken a position on abortion that is so extreme, and so out of step with most of the country, and it didn't necessarily have to be like that after dobbs, we remember after Dobbs is decided republican with tat. He was either the hour and sea or the energy or one of those official committees put out a bunch of talking points because they could they. They knew the danger in this issue and they tried to try to tell their candidates to take a middle middle path here and say: yeah, of course, where were against abortion But you know there should be exceptions and we would never want to arrest doctor.

These are women or anything like that. The problem is all these bullshit talking points the wound: the were bullshit but a whole bunch. Republican candidates. Whether its and we're gonna talk about some of the other results, but whether it's you know blake masters or are tutor dixon in Michigan. They have taken positions on abortion. That say we are going to criminalize all abortion with no exceptions. By the way some states are trying to say if, if the of abortion is banned in one state, you try to travel at a state to get an abortion somewhere else. We're gonna criminalize that too, that these positions are so out of step with most people, the share of republicans republicans. This is not all voters. The share of republicans, who believe that abortion should be illegal in all cases is now only eighteen percent. Eighteen percent of republicans scylla going back to that first pole, result that I read you that you know forty. Eight percent of cantons thought abortion should be mostly legal for

seven percent thought mostly illegal. You know the mostly is doing a lot of work there and has been for a while. After Dobbs republican politicians decided that they were gonna polarize the issue much as possible on the wrong side of public opinion. By saying we want abortion illegal in all cases everywhere. That position is not only out of step with the country. It is out of step with most of the people in their party, and I don't I don't think they fully or maybe they just don't care. What a? What a horrible political mistake they have made by taking a position like that, you know when we there are times when republican politicians are lying for the purpose of appealing to primary voters, like their deadly some true believers in the in the big why some of them got nominated on tuesday, but a lot of them just pretend because its price of admission to mega voters to trumps endorsement. All of that, but

this one, this is their real position. This is what they have always believed always bear their position that abortion should be illegal in every instance, rape, incest, wife of the mother- that is their belief and they were givens are for to avoid acting on that belief in a world in which row in cases where the law of the land now that they are not there, they are while do whether extremist flag fly in push these. These incredibly cruel, irresponsible and very unpopular positions. Yeah look I mentioned blake masters in arizona and tudor Dixon was running for governor in Michigan. This is also going to be a central issue in the pennsylvania governors race, where doug mastery of has said that if, if he is governor, he will sign it abortion ban into law. If Josh shapiro is governor, he will not abortion. We

protected in that state. It's a very clear cut decision in pennsylvania. Ah you're going to have this issue in arizona you're going to have it in Michigan, there's going to be a ballot initiative likely in michigan much like there was in Kansas where or in the in the midterm election gretchen whitmer, the governor of michigan, will be on one side b on the pro choice. Side of the ballot initiative and two to dixon will be on the other side that will probably get more people out to vote as well or hopefully it should in georgia, where there is a very close senate race. Hershel walker once again has said that he would ban all abortion, no exceptions whatsoever, that's in georgia and the It will also be direct ballot initiatives in kentucky in Montana dan. If you were running a democratic, mid term campaign right now. What advice would you be giving your candidate about two things: one: how to talk about abortion access and to how to prioritize abortion as an issue in this terms, so I think we have to recognise that public opinion on abortion

is overwhelming on the side of access to abortion. But it is quite nuanced. View a majority of people who say who indemnify as protagonists who support supported row who oppose its overturning of that majority about the court in a lot of poles and not three in ten of those people who are debt. If I for choice or angry about the doubts decision will tell pulsars. They themselves are personally opposed to abortion you find that some of the limits that are well below the extremists thing what you put forward, but ones that a lot of democrats disagreement. You know our more popular than strictly overturning rubber banning abortion, and so what I think we have to recognize is, and the people in Kansas city, excellent job, in how they frame their messaging, and there is some twitter threats it go through all of their ads and encourage bill she or from political. I think has one of those two threats: that's worth is it. We have to have a message that is broadly appealing to that majority right:

the polling shows that the most popular message by far in that case is about government interference, and the personal decision to have an abortion right there. You gonna politicians, government exe, involved in that- and that is the one that works for people who are a as pro choice personally and for the broader community people who identify as oppose it gets about one hundred and that a lot of those hundred thousand independents. We talked about this as broader issue of freedom, and the message has got to be a little bit different in every state, because in some So if you have this broad coalition to people who are much more, rested on the side and others who can who would identify as model on the issue of abortion, but do not go so far as the overturning of roe the outright banning the mix of Those two groups is gonna differ state by state. I imagine in Kansas. It means more headway towards the people with

as monarchies you're, getting more republic inverse people who have spent their wives voting for politicians who, again, if I as anti choice as if those who might be different in a blue or more purple state. This, Good thing is, I think, is absolutely essential that we centre the issue of abortion here, and there are two ways to do that. One if you're running for we'll office is to make sure that everyone understands two things, one. If republicans get control of the house in the senate, they will ban abortion nationally. So if you're in one of those states that could decide the election. But has but where abortion remains legal, that is not a gift for the rest of time by california, for example. We, this is one of the most progressive states when it comes to abortion access, it has the makings of a sanctuary state. We talked to our friend assembly woman, but buffy wicks about that a few a month or so ago, by we need people to turn out in the house reasons they could only answer preserving our majority as it

Bullshit was on the line for themselves as well, because it is and then the other after that argument- is that if you send two more pro choice: anti filibuster, democratic senators to the senate? And we maintain house we can cod, we can make abortion legal ever my codified, and so I think that's. Why they a candidate be different, can have to do with one, on the ballot in that state who you're running against, but we have to send and then the last piece of this is we have to make it about. Freedom right is about your person's rights. Edit and tighter this larger narrative one. You have articulate on this park ass many times about a republican party who wants politicians in the garment, decide whether given and who can help here, you can get you could marry what books you can re what teachers can say what companies can believe. Why

on and on and on and make it a part of that larger extremist agenda of the of the far right in the mag republicans yeah I mean you can imagine, and you don't have to imagine. I've been I've talked to these voters in the in the for the focus group to the wilderness, voters who feel cross pressured, which are most voters, even though we don't. We don't think that and they are horrified by dobbs and they are very pro choice, but they are upset about inflation, they're disappointed and they don't think anyone. Washington has done anything for them.

and I think that the the way that this election becomes a choice and not a referendum on on Biden and the Democrats is by pointing out ot the ample examples of republican extremism over the last several months year. Two years and abortion and the positions that they have taken on abortion, I believe, are central to that case. You can then talk about them. Coming for same sex, marriage coming for contraception, coming for interracial, marriage, I'm coming for a kids, gay and trans kids, a book banning you can talk about. All of that. I think abortion is central. It's the central example, since they have now moved to ban it criminalize it with no exceptions in states all across the country and I think making that central to your campaign about republican extremism is important because on the other side of this, if you're worried about it

You know you're also worried about inflation in Europe, where it about costs than you can say, look which, which party? Who who do you trust to fight for you? You think you think the republicans are gonna fix inflation and cost of living when all they ve been doing for the last several months is trying to I tell you when you can start a family, tell you who you can marry, who you can be? Who you can love, how many kids you can have that? That's what that's what they've been concerned about for the last several months they haven't been concerned about inflation. They haven't been concerned. at the cost of living. Or do you want to go with the party that has been fighting for a couple of years to make sure that you can have all those freedoms and also by the way, are trying to pass a bill to make sure that your energy bills are lower, that your prescription, drug bills are lower, that your healthcare premiums are lower and that we're going to try to save the planet and save democracy like which, which party do you think, is going to fight for you? What that and that's the choice and that to me is the best chance to get out of the whole referendum. A frame

as usual, what happens in a maternal at this election should be, and we should do everything we possibly can to make it a referendum on republican extremists and there's obviously a fear here that worried it overly simplistically. Read them salts of the selection in Kansas. It's a just say abortion as many times as password just April. Choice would just say where we're just they darted this singular issue in itself and it is a pre eminent issue. It absolutely has tremendous power and we should lean into it, but it is a more nuanced story, people's position Abortion is a signifier something about them. It's every campaign boils down to a battle over convincing voters, you're gonna fight that who is the politicians understand for when they get to washington and the fact that you that these Kenneth would take these extremist positions. is a sign that they are not going to fight for you on every issue right on abortion, on health care, on inflation, and that like this is why it is important to raise it, but it

it. Just you know, you're, not the candidate says roe v wade the most times is not going to win this election, it's more it's more sophisticated than that, while I think you know what's true about abortion, as has been true about other issues as well. You know a challenge we've seen in the past is that ballot measures like minimum wage or medicaid expansion when in red states, where democratic candidates who support those policies loose or same thing, we saw in florida with enfranchising voters, who've been who've who've spent time in prison and I think the question is: how can Democrats avoid that dynamic on an issue like abortion, where, if it's a stand alone, ballot measure does very well just like minimum wage and efficacy expansion. All these policies that we care about, but somehow, when the credit candidate runs. We don't now. I think that you know the The initial reaction would be well why we have such chile democratic candidates, but

I think it's a little more complicated that partly because look, I think, one caution in Kansas here is: we talked about the rate of democratic turn. It was higher than republican turn out, in the mid terms. More republicans might turn out for other reasons, when it's not just abortion on the ballot right, there might be some republicans who abortion isn't an issue that gets to the poles, or maybe there maybe they're, protrudes, republicans or maybe they're. Just republicans. We don't want it banned in all circumstances, but in a mid term review when there are a whole bunch of other issues there that make it more republicans turn out. So how does it? How should Democrats handle that challenge? I think it's largely about issues billions right. These are the example we ve given recent way. Is the minimum wage ballot initiative guy they too in florida in twenty one, I got to the sixty percent threshold biden gallic forty six weeks the state, which means that there are six, the others, a huge majority forming a wage, but they did not think the minimum wage was central to their presidential and so This is where, if you want to

narrow that delta between what peeved them but the poor. choice. Majority in this country. In the democratic vote chair you to make the the the congressional though the governs world The state legislature about be around that issue. It has to be high and voters minds when they think about it and when you think about who they vote for that, if you want abortion, when access to abortion to be legal and the state than you have you or in this country, you have to vote for a democrat and so about raising the science of in its into that, as he says, he is a very high right now, but that could certainly change over the next two and a half months until the election, and I do think to the point about messaging. The republican extremism has also given Democrats space much more space to talk to a broader audience of voters, which is certainly what they did Kansas any mention the ads like to add that that were interesting one they both from the no side, one was

say no to more government mandates, which you mentioned, that even mention the word. Abortion in the ad, they just said, say no to morgan, but mandates and they actually superimpose it over a picture of a covert mask mandate sign clearly not an ad for for Democrats even further. and it's like that's an ad for republicans, no more government mandates and they do a cover thing but again effective in turning out some republicans to vote for this measure. So, okay, it There is another one I think is a very powerful ad and it was a woman who is a mother of a three year old boy who talked about how she would have died if she hadn't had an abortion and again there are places all over this country right

now where, when they say no exceptions, they mean no exception for the life and the health of the mother as well, and I think for people who might feel conflicted about abortion, which again of all the people who support making sure that abortion is legal. A third of those people personally oppose abortion, even though they want to make sure that it remains legal that group of people you see an ad like that and that's probably pretty powerful. So I do think I'm understanding that you are messaging not only to different parts of the country but to different groups of people, and there are messages that can hold this larger coalition together because

as of the extreme positions that republicans have taken is important for democrats to remember as well- and you know millions of dollars were spent on each side of this ballot initiative. I think, is twelve million dollars altogether. Organizers were on the ground for months before dobbs was even announced. I remember far before the supreme court kathleen Sebelius who's, a former governor of kansas, served in the obama administration with us was telling us how about the sun on pod, save america and telling us this was coming, and talking about how they ve been organizing around it for a long time like. Are there any lessons? Other progressive organizer should take from kansas from the success of this. This is organ, it's an effort. Yeah I mean. Obviously, if this can win in Kansas, it can win anywhere, and I don't think that's just true of abortion. That's on a whole host of progressive issues that, if you do the hard work of politics, the organizing, the registering the grassroots canvassing etc. You can have

all success, but I think what in this this camp comes through in what the stories I've heard about how people organized around it in the ads that we're done is persuasion right. The knows all about persuade persuading people that matter persuading P. what it was about. It wasn't just you know we're going to find a bunch of base. Democrats rynason, the mail order on the selection, they're gonna, who is about persuasion- and I think like that, applies to everything. The combination strategic well thought out long term organizing where they persuasion mentality, anything is possible in politics. You never give up on voting never give up on organizing, never give up on persuasion all three of those things. I think that's. What's that's. What's sad, that's what they're and by the way

it's not over in kansas, this november and all but one state supreme court justice is on the ballot and currently there's a pro choice majority. This is the majority that actually has ruled that there is a right to an abortion in the kansas constitution, so anti abortion activists are now going to be a targeting the court so in kansas and elsewhere. This fight isn't over, which is another thing to keep in mind. Is we win these victories and we, ok great now everything's protected, we can go home, you can't it sir. It is an ongoing battle, because the forces arrayed against us here or not gonna quit and we neither so positive- I brought you by wealth front. If you ve seen the market lately, you probably too like what you saw, or maybe you did it's a lot of volatility But seeing is a matter of perspective.

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Now, let's talk about some of the bleaker results from tuesdays primaries. Boom eras. We did the good stuff in arizona just about every step. why candidate is now a mega republican who wants the last election overturned? Blake masters will be the nominee for Senate man. media star carry lake will It would be the nominee for governor, though her race has an officially been called yet and mark finch him, a member of the fucking oath keepers, the oath keepers, they, the deed domestic extremist group. That was charged with seditious conspiracy, four january sixth, he's gonna, be the nominee for secretary of state unwell, viable arizona, top election official. That's that's! That's who the nominees on the republican side on the democratic side obviously mark we will be our senate candidate. That secretary of state katy hobbs will be the nominee for governor and former maricopa county recorder adrian content is leading in the race for secretary of state before get to the maghreb bozos

think about hobbs and fund has as candidates, I think, both very very interesting candidates, kitty hobbs, as was thought for a long time. As the democrats bestial so when the governorship she was a secretary of state. Ah who stood up against them, why believers in the insurrectionist and the side, cyber ninjas in the two thousand and twenty election may look things up, I stood up to the cyber knew better. The ad will, but there will be they car really excited with a cyber interest and she fought them right, big cyber ninja, it's if montes america county recorder, he He also was an with someone who met who dealt with the elections and twenty twenty is someone to you know, by all reports from folks in arizona is a very strong candidate veto. Arizona is a tough state. This is a tough here, but these are good democratic candidates against incredibly flawed republican

and so we actually have a shot in winning the arizona, governorship and secretary of state? Would We stopped insurrection to point out in its tracks and losing it would have the exact opposite effect and will raise real questions about the ability to actually legitimately count. The electoral votes were Joe Biden nor democrat. When arizona into a twenty four yeah. Remember the m: it's the job of both the the governor of arizona and the secretary of state of arizona to certify the election results, something that about the secretary that secretary of state dobbs and a governor republican governor doug ducey did in twenty twenty and ah kerry lake and mark fincham have basically said there. You know there'll only certify if they want to certify so very dangerous stuff. let's talk about the best way for the democratic candidates to frame their opponents. Let's start with more killing and blake masters there, Is there a lot of contrast for kelly to choose from here's his,

First add out of the gate just released at this morning about blake masters. Let's take a lesson. blake masters has made his dangerous ideas on abortion. Easy to understand, that's it bravely wade was wrong. It's always bro, it's a religious sacrifice to these people. I think it's demonic for blake taking away healthcare freedom for arizona women is just the beginning. I actually think we should go further, though every step is to say it you make it illegal and you punish the doctors Blake masters too dangerous for arizona. Would you think that ad? at the as an excellent add look. I think, blake masters, is perhaps the most dangerous republican candidate on the ballot in a very long time, like jade vance is an absolute fraud doing maggie karaoke. Everyone, like you, can see. The flocks from him trying to be something he isn't he may when anyway, but he is just three of us:

blake masters is is a far right. True believing mill, cultural revolutionary who believes like he'd, like magazines, look into tromp. It is a philosophy for like masters, he believed this country is in an apocalyptic downward spiral because the country's changing demographically women have too many rights the algae meeting pupil. community has too many rights. He is trying to return america through any s or through the power of the state to a different era, has talked about the importance of women's thing home from work about taking way people's freedoms about getting rid of marriage, equality, and he does all of that. We had a bunch of really extreme republican canada out there for that All sorted. Do they're all like brains, pickled by fox, do right, herschel, walker, you know ted bide, etc. Blake masters is young. He has deep ties in arizona his days.

firstly smart and he has the he knows what he is doing and he knows the ways in which he's going to try to sand the edges of his incredibly radical extremist philosophy. In order to win this election yeah, I mean he's already started doing that his first ad was out this morning and it's just an ad of his wife and she's, like you know, blake's upset it, but the direction of the country. There's inflation. You know they do. The gas station shot then there's blake pushing his three kids on a swaying and it does not seem like a mega extremist candidate kind of thing. It all seems like you just your typical white medical family in arizona, everything seems fine. It's like very. If it works. a little bit only because I'm like oh they. He he's not he's not going with his true beliefs here, because he knows he knows he has to sand the edges down and the

yes, he see had an ad out before mark about masters, about masters that was similar to mercosur, but went broader than abortion had had the. I think it's demonic quote, but it also talked about they had a quote from him. A blink master saying. Maybe we should privatized social security. We have to cut the not sometime, I think that's gonna be pretty effective. arizona has an older papa population and I don't think they're gonna, like the privatizing of social security. Again that doesn't sound as extreme to some of the things that that you mentioned, but I think for a lot of people who I don't follow politics closely and don't know who Peter deal is and dont know. What, like you know, blake masters philosophy is just hearing that he wants to private as or security as propaganda be a pretty damaging hit. I've noticed that you could have been doing this myself. Oh my god, comic peter teal protege, but like not a lot of people know who Peter deal is or how fuckin fascists his views. Are

You know like unless you follow the stuff closely right. You can read plenty of this. What a good piece of out there that I have been reviewed lately about I'll fucking, scary, peter dealers and blake masters and their philosophy eurasia it trump? In their view, sam either bell wrote a gray one in new york times about this, like trump Their view was like the disruptor. He was just breakin everything apart, but they actually have a very specific philosophy of you know why we need to get rid of democracy, essentially neither sort of three types of republican, in this era, there are the ones who think tromp is it do face do not have any sort of morality or shame, so they just pretend like they like him as a vehicle for their rights. Extremist conservative views are sort of like all ambition. There are through tromp believers, who believe The man donald trump right that is her walker, that is cory lake. That's really more finch em and

and there are the people like masters, who view trump is nothing more than a a call for their even more extremist views. They did. I agree with trump on a lot of the things that help trumped get elective hetero His views on preserving social security. Like you know, her trumps ay wanted private eye, so security, preserving they care. Those the things they just they let trop enough. As you said, he was that he was a disruptor. He was there we're gonna. U no stay in him came a thing of which is the I'm thing the raw. What the racing analogy is for when you drag your when you drag behind someone by. and we even watch the f one. So my like really fly by way. So that's what liberals nascar. I think it's what that is. The think here nor there, but I think he is masters, is deeply depleted. in addition to the same other bodies in their time, there's an incredible jones peace for a few weeks ago. There was then dug deep in tat and

asters is writings when he was in college. That is very much worth reading with lake and finish him. How much would you focus on the prospect of them refusing to certify democratic during arizona I think their belief in the big lie and their promises to not allow arizona. Voters in its president is is once again a signifier of their radicalism and is much more important from where should be more from our fincham, because the first in charge here looks like an apparatus, but they eat Most people do not believe most political attack, so you have to give them reason to believe it, and I think the big lie like soup for total bans on abortion in overturning row is a proof point to this was in really is out of touch which all then allow them to leave a whole bunch of other things like privatizing such security, stealing elections, gun policies, etc, etc, etc.

with venture mine. One thing we have to complicate the simple here like the guy is a member of the un keepers. Violent extremists group has been charged with the dishes. Conspiracy run january. Six. He wants to wants to diesel. The last election and he marched to the fuckin kapital. He was he marched to the capital on january sex, nothing. It is not more difficult them. That's so that guy is look into in today's politics. Being a member of a right wing, domestic terror organisations plus a primary positively. I married a downside of general spreading over in a general so tooth, and it was- Good night for trump in other races as well, most of the magic candidates endorsed one include john gives in Michigan, who defeated representative peter mire. One of the ten republicans who had voted to impeach truck and in the Missouri senate, race trumps last minute, dormant of Eric may have been. The boost Eric needed to put Eric over the top. That's right. There were two erika: raise Missouri attorney general Eric Schmidt, the winner informers?

governor s great. The loser in donald trump decided to pick between them by putting out a press release. That said, he was endorsing quote eric. I can't this is one of the dumbest trump stories yet or one of the funniest It requires unity, be both. I think it can be both. I think it Did you read the politico article about it that It's an article by Alex. I sense you I'm sure who was a good reporter, but this article is just in acts. We should be in a museum for journalists trying to make trumps apps whew insanity seem like something normal like Egypt Like the you know you can? I can tell the reporter programmes they like what the fuck is wrong, these people, because it was like- they have seen were. Tromp has been everything is there? Is this amazing insurance he's? Bed minster his club in new jersey, cause it's too hard to be a more alike.

And is a sweater. I imagine the pepper. Add he's trying to decide with hours left, who, which era he's gonna endorse and previous scheduled meeting with robin romney mcdaniel who's trying to them not to endorse Eric brightens calls up camera your foil, who he finds out, just happens to be on the property at the moment who supports grains at one point he call calls the guy who's the header bikers for tromp, who also just happens to be a bad, mr at the moment, comes through the meeting this week. Says it he's for guidance, says, let me go pull my members I'll come back, leaves or another room calls up bikers. I guessed return says therefore, guidance. And then trump has his idea that he's going to MRS Eriksson he's. You know it's like thirty moments. It stories were trump just because morse into homer simpson and he's like shirts Brian, and he, like

seriously wants to confirm like three times that they spell Eric the same way, so that the Eric ploy will work that that that to me was the funniest part of this whole story. Is that trump's like wait, a minute wait a minute? Are they both e r? I c because if one of them's e r k this whole fuckin plan is, is not work with any it's another they're, both with the sea, because appetite It's a story, that's funny and done because it does like not just the political story, but Other reporters are asking both of the erika about it and like when you ask the canada about it, you feel like it makes every one fucking dumb, but neither including us where the outer talking out it's such a dumb story he poorer, but he couldn't endorse a carrot but their boat. Their names were air,

So he just that I endorse erika, but he'll call both of them and say I told them. I think you'll be happy with my statement and they assume they were getting the endorsement and if he cup with it just said Eric it's it's sleep, up until tuesday the dumbest endorsement thing in the history of politics was when the new york times endorse two candidates in the primary with this so far exceeded it right now. He he beckoned beat out those. Well. Well, Do you feel about the and are all kidding aside? How do you feel about the fact that Eric greitens lost cause? Even I mean he again, Eric greitens horrific human being are accused of both sexual assault and physical assault resulting kidnapping is accused of his now being somewhat to resolutely s answer to resolve them

physically salting his form his as ex wife, his children, just a horrible person but but republicans the urgency thought that, if brightens one that either might lose the Missouri Senate sea or, at the very least they have to put a bunch money in Missouri that they need it out to one other races. So republicans like an hour in sea and in that are they told, run him again or did not want not want air grains to win? Has you feel about the fact that he lost his approach would have been better for Democrats if he won even a brains and one, I think you're reuben absolute longshot for democrats to win the race, a better chance, then without brightens on the ballot. But I am sceptical that Democrat we have a time energy and money to try to take advantage of that? shot like the world, is better without Eric brightens controlling anything in parallel should probably, I was an eye growth but

at the end of the day I just this is. I think this is true of whether we're talking about the recent michigan. Anything else is the true danger to democracy, not the individual republicans who are in office. It's the republicans controlling government, right and the reason their control government is because it is not necessarily these because republican, Voters are gonna our coming out to vote for them. That's what's happening. Ok, when we come back we will do a special round of take appreciate her with our chief. Take officer, illogical and crickets. Editor in chief brian boiler is here when we come back, today's episode is brought you buy. affixes reservation dogs. The hollywood reporter called the first season of the original comedy a distinctive one, fully cast triumph of representation and painted the number best tv show of twenty twenty one. This season reservation dogs continues to follow our favorite gang of indigenous teens in rural oklahoma, with each of them trying to forge their own

and hopes of one day making it to california it's a reservation. Dogs is now streaming only on hulu all right. We are back for a special round of take appreciate her a very special round. First of all, we have chief take officer eliza cone in studio, which is a rare pleasure great to be here, it's great to have your and playing with us today. In addition to do and pfeiffer remotely. We have crooked media's editor in chief emmy host of the positively dreadful podcast brian boiler in studio abraham guys has ago at its going pretty. Well, it's good to see, I am and very excited appreciate some tags before we get into the takes. Can you tell us for those who haven't listened even though I'm sure everyone here has all the traitors who haven't lost all the charities. Haven't listened, tell us a little bit about positively dreadful and what you got going on there yeah its were four or five episodes in it's in.

interview, show that I host its it so inspired by the m, the popular barnett phrase should is fucked up in bullshit and Idea is to basically take people seriously when they notice and in society and in law and in politics that are alarming today, are travelling to them and acknowledge that In many cases, those concerns are real and and all at, but also to give them an ability to kind of grasp them more fully so that they don't just become demoralized or deflated or assume that we're just basically on a road to hell, ah and that we're in the you know no good can come out of these situations, whether they can't be made better. It is a fantastic podcast. and and and your perfectos, for it is one of the one, an ethnic, often sounding the alarm and unfortunately, is right off with the utmost sounding the alarm, but I do think there's

I hear, there's a lotta there's a lot of hope and optimism that I get out of it as well from from from talking it through with the guest that you have on. That's the idea. Yeah, it's a really it's! It's really well done, so everyone should positively dreadful and take a listen, alright, chief, take officer sarah. Let's do it of get some takes. Alright, let's do it I'm a little nervous. I feel like I'm going to get exposed, because I'm on my laptop, it looks like I'm the and the camera. But now I can't really read the takes and look at you guys at the same time now you think if you think it's, the what we do here. You think we're just It is primarily an audio format. Don't worry about! It kills me everytime. I want to touch. It means that you can like look up at the camera. I got my own. Oh, you got your own all right, I was there. I was coming back to take appreciate hers. Brian really excited finally get a place where they had been yeah. I've been waiting, ryan is a true, take appreciated Let me explain how it works and when assertions with you all

users of seeing these tags John dan and Brian have not. I actually tried to get eliza gimme a peak and a few hours like a real. Oh, I beg integrity of the game, guy, etc. Liar? They will react to the tax, then re them on a scale of one to four politicos with for being a worse Brian Dan John. Are you guys ready? I'm rosa are born ready. Let's start with this very requested fees. Thank you to everyone who said to me it's from the washington post. It is titled most third parties have failed, cares why hours wound its own right, the bad the opening line of the pieces, political extremism is ripping our nation apart, and the two major parties have failed to remedy the crisis and then throws out some stuff about how a lot of americans don't believe the country is headed in the right,

in, there are more independents than ever, and then we get. This quote. The united states badly needs a new political party, one that reflects the moderate common sense majority. Today's outdated parties have failed by catering to the inches. As a result, most americans feel they aren't represented. Now before I ask who wrote it, I'm going to point out that there's an easy mode and hard mode here cause it was written by three people? Okay, so we can get all three you you get a bonus point. I guess I know I can get one I got to. I think ok, but I can't figure out the third, even though I and my mind's, I remember seeing the line in the end. The byline- and I can't andrew Yang now isn't that was my address is created. Whitman is. your boots era and then add another third dandy of the third ask him just I not narrow as good david

but the first name is correct. Living at the last name. It is a david mark painted duke does David jolly, david of endless andalusia and winter olympics NBC ass? I feel like the the take that didn't make the cut of the take was in the writers right up of this up ahead. says the party which is centrist has knows big policies. Yet it will say this thursday launch. How will we saw big issues facing america, not left, not right forward. Yes, you know what This is how you guys feel about this one, but in the true spirit of take appreciated, when you give the full play book for people who really tried to be as trolling as possible, I wanna give this only.

two because I feel it gets so lazy like specific from o Brien just cited in the writers. Peace like they did their name and trying having to wear a centrist party who just wants to who just wants to take on the big issues as there's no effort there, there's no effort there. Okay, so I agree with that. On the flip side, it is like the ultimate political. Take around it. Like you, I believe, gems and a high almost launched a third party to have the innovation part right right and so, and so almost as like an homage to the to the game, I think I'm gonna give it the full playbook. the innovative its he wanted to launch the innovation party, but instead he just wrote a book called smart brevity, and sexy somebody about your local bookseller, including was David roberts or somebody else. I forget who said

The thing that I love most about this this, like annual ritual of of the centrists third party, that doesn't have like a specific plan. Every that they eventually get bullied into putting out a policy agenda and it's like the democratic party policy agenda, and they just didn't realize it. They ve been democrats all along but want to brand themselves differently dan. Where do you think I will give it one political I appreciate Brian's. Take, I think, any time again- we bring out the innovation party. That is good for laughs. So I support it. It's one of the great moments because all people forget that the innovation party ticket was mark Zuckerberg and Jim Mattis. I think, like, oh my god, wow good good memory. you know that, but one play about further, for there are one for the reason johnny add which is like they're, not even trying. This is basically air, a shell corporation for yet andrew Yang relevance. That's what it is near.

Yes, I mean again, the article is titled. Here's why our third party won't fail, and the reason they cite is because there are more independents now than ever, as if independents or a block of alright next mistake. this next one is a suggestion from our friend John loved. You guys know him hurt this article is a bit was a weekly variety shut Call it a varieties. Mother is articles a bit old, but he said we should do it just for brian- and I agree on the hill is apiece titled prosecuting trump. will ruin our nation I hope my gown of all his ears

word there may be a viable criminal case that from corruptly obstructed congressional proceedings, namely january six, but that is highly debatable. If the justice department brought such a case, much of the country would condemn the indictment as political payback. Such prosecution of a former president could take years and matching the federal courts in unprecedented questions. President from should be held to account prosecution would be the wrong vehicle. Here's hoping cooler heads prevail. wanna, guess who read that Andy Mccarthy, wow yeah, very good from downtown, barely made mccarthy. So I was. I actually assumed. I was wrong about that because, but I thought, if I'm right about that, that's like the greatest indication we have that trump is high. Guilty of all these crimes in devon across because any mccarthy's, like no sort of

every right wing legal writer fur national view whose job seems to be a painting over crimes, republicans commit and explaining there is actually nothing wrong they're. So if he's basically saying yeah trump did it, but would just be really, it would be really bad. If the country to do anything about it, and then I I think the jig is basically up like there's nobody with even a skull, What credibility on the right, who can say no action and he did here- is like by the book. There's no laws against any of it. Trumps, fine. I would say that I am equal parts impressed the brain can identify and andrew

Kurth, let's not from a month ago and alarmed- and I really don't know what right does on sunday morning and I really think he needs it wasn't at this point I agree and I went to hildy us every day that we are starting to see what so impressive about it. Is that, like, if you said it was a national review? Take I would start having any mccarthy is one of my thoughts, but the fact that its Amy Mccarthy in the hill yeah, which was just the publish any trash attraction I appreciate her. That is, oh, so, okay, so ratings on this one, because he decided not to do here's the legal case why trump shouldn't get prosecuted but did the he might be guilty, but it'll tear the country apart. That's get me to I'm. I'm met like three and a half I'm at three and a half on that I won't dandy gophers, I'm still thinking, I'm ominous, say two and a half just because we're doing enterprises right sierra,

and I want to leave room for some full play box later on, but it's it's a bad in particularly stupid. Take see in my mind, you, more political as you get more. silly or or try you, better foolish marty yeah. This is like a differ family of like not really offered in good faith. It running interference for republicans cause it's it clear that Andy Mccarthy's really worried that if trump gets prosecuted he doesn't really give a shit. What happens to trump? He does he. He knows that that will reflect poorly on the right and republicans and- and you know

if it was david, brooks or somebody making the same point which we'll get to at some point, I'm certain I'd, give it three to four, but I'm going to give this one to because it's it's not it's not coming from a place of trolling, it's coming from a place of fear and lying gotcha I mean Brian. Do you think he's going to get prosecuted? Do you think about? Oh? He should I should I you know who does think he's going to get prosecuted more likely than not Is this week's positively dreadful, guest, fellas, merrick, garland, yeah boy? That's the financing I've just died. Maybe I should leave it hanging. Maybe people will think that got the attorney general now guess this week was peach struck, mould, Oh, and- and we got to talk all about this basic issue plus surrounding issues of the complexity of charging former president, whether it makes

and to approach the investigation. The way merit garlon as are not from a from a guy? Who has you know one of the few people in the country who has done investigations along these lines, and so it was interesting conversation, that's great yeah and hungarian, and- and you know I just gave away the main scoop of the show- is that he thinks there's too much activity out there in the open to firm trumped wanted with zero indictments. stores in this media environment. Brian you have to put you have to put the best scenes in the trailer, especially especially if the ponderous judge who runs d o J is listening, want to make sure he Is that alright allowed? You got one more force? Yes, I do. Okay, have a big no here to ask how? How do you guys think the segment is

and so yeah. It is in such large part. How do you think it's guy gets going? It gets. I think it's going just wonderfully. This is the best take appreciators you've ever yeah you've nailed it. You know that alright, it was a very nice. I feel they're sort of move right there, but I'll take that oh yeah Elijah have been that thats, a lot of rehearsals that has been in my head. I mean so alright, so this last one is a true. Take appreciators, take it's not a pure take. Say so. This is from the AP a rare offender on this segment. It's a piece titled election sceptics rise and geo p, races to run state elections. this peace as a valid, really intense election deniers or winning republican primaries. Is you guys discussing the new segmented references, doug mastery, nano references Mart finch

in arizona as well as others. Just as a recap park, Finch fincham is part of the oath keepers and was at the tannery six riot and then, like I said, it's not doesn't have taste, but he used this language. Here's a quote election exp, say: candidates who dispute the results of a valid election in which there has been no evidence of widespread fraud or minute, Nation of voting systems pose a danger of interfering in future elections. They warn it could trigger chaos if they refuse to accept results. They don't like, as when we think of this kind are importing oak. Is it sir, but yes, its election? The expert, you're saying that if you, if you deny intellectual and one overturn it, that could be bad as a as a mostly retired reporter. I I feel a little. I feel a little for whoever

wrote the story with a vague can again off of this sat all it does is always hard to tell from the store in your right it depending on the byline. I am, I want to take it back, but you know whether the instinct and the pressure to catch that behind the voices of experts, I'm just saying which obviously true could have been pressure put on them by the company or their editor or whatever their stupid rules are right on them. Elections kept it also that that that's out you read the other story, gravity sceptic you're after walking out of a second group of experts, say that walking on research support window with, I believe, in gravity could cause kicking up? Sir Isaac Newton claimed what a fool,

or johnny was nauseating. He has one, I take it as a herodotus and I feel, like I don't know the people through to anymore another rare founders or something there. Hello there little rough is is le maire, stolen ip is not honest. I bet he's a political, its bob Christine christina cast. I am sure, I'm not even sure there are not even those are needed, and that is that those are those are those are bought as dolly generated like. I remember what reporting on climate change was like ten fifteen years ago, when it was all like this. It was all reporters who knew the climate change was real thing. and that the essentially knew what its effects would be if left, unchecked, but always compelled by the sort of you know the the rules of the of the outlets they worked for. Two.

phrase that as experts say or climate experts say, and you that off with some industry group saying it? So it's all overblown and it was a ten year process us or so of like bullying the mainstream outlets. Out of doing that in just basically sing. He can't leave settled science in a he said. She said framework and unfortunately like that in the same thing for for democracy in there's like the timelines much shorter, look, I remain a skeptic that bobbing christie are real people, but if they are, this is likely not their fault. It's the faults of their editors and the associated presses. Ubs both sides is on balance accuracy, sort of approach by so we going to attack them personally, but they are. You can't call the election sceptic. Is that as a serious offence in labour for journalists and what a great? What are you saying? No to end on that larger cone cheating

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