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talked on Tuesdays part about where President Biden and Democrats in Congress are focused on right now, avoiding a government shut down in a catastrophic default, passing
economic plan that would lower costs for most people and bringing an end to the pandemic, which Joe Biden just gave a speech about this morning talked about providing more cheap at home testing, more vaccinations, more boost
hers, etc. But today we thought we check and on what Republicans are up to which is doing their best to fuck this up and fight.
Your war, so they can win the mid terms, to wit, house Republicans,
fighting with each other over what to do about Congresswoman Lauren Bobo, suggesting that Congresswoman
Hon Omar is a terrorist because she's Muslim and Senate Republicans or fighting with each
There are over whether shut down the government unless Joe Biden stops trying to get people vaccinated, who, let's start with boats, hateful garbage and Congresswoman Omar Response, here's a clip and there she is alive.
Well, you don't have a backpack. You should be fine
border gone by Allah, jihads blindsided shovel work today, but the most pervasive is the constant suggestion that almost limbs are terrorists.
And should be feared. So when a sitting member of Congress calls a colleague member of the Jihad squad and falsely and falsified story to suggest that I will blow up the capital
It is not just attack on me, but on millions of american Muslims across this country,
so that was the first clip was, of course, for me, a fundraiser overhead attended in September. That she's also report elicited a few other times. This is something she enjoys saying because she's fucking nuts and an awful person
Republicans, Marjorie Taylor, Green and Paul Gostar have both been kicked off all house committees for promoting violence against Democrats eating this.
Things could happen about here.
I think we should just start out by saying how dangerous this rhetoric is right. The republican Party is a political party that is
normalize violence as a legitimate political solution. That's what happened in the capital in January. That is what happened.
When every end we know I was here, and we know that people take the words from republican politicians and right wing media figures and act on them. So it happened the Texas, where someone took an assault rifle to a predominantly hispanic neighborhood, because they were afraid of replacement. There is something that a lot of that a number of Republicans, including the payment
we took her curls and talk about. We saw that with the pipe arms that are Trump supporter mail to people who also happens to be the exact same group of people that including reporters.
From attacks over time, and so this is this is this is dangerous, and this is putting some
one at risk, and not just on Omar every muscle right. This idea
there. She points out that a Muslim is a terrorist, is very, very dangerous and has gotten many people already hurt and killed in this country. I think the question about the committees is complex. I don't think they're Nancy posing Democrat.
had any option other than to kick raffer communiques. You simply cannot allow a member of Congress to direct violence at an
the number of cars without sanction. This is the nub of the sitting:
can I work in a normal world with no more republican party. This
overwhelmingly by partisan move. It wasn't all
a couple years ago that they all kit problems included, kicked Steve King, the rights of premises, congressmen from AOL Office committees. Now,
a decade to wait in that only when he became a political problem not because they had a moral opposition. What you say, but here we are.
the problem, even though, is the right thing to do. I think there is a patent. The peers were that here's, the rob which has long Robert, isn't a relevant human being, but she's
picture relevancy in a normal world. She just she's, there's something interesting about her. She's got no idea, no platform, no
story. She is just
Junior member of Congress and in an automobile. She would wander the halls of Congress for a decade in anonymity
until one day she was fortunate enough to chair a subcommittee, her height, like that
what her lady but
at the world we live in any more. We live in an attention economy and which she has figured out is the way to have relevance to haven't. Ports are polluted
powers again attention how'd. You gain attention and right
circles. You do horribly outrageous, inoffensive things and
doing it for the specific purpose of provoking a response and a harsher that response, the greater
allegation? Your action is of Europe importance in irrelevance.
And so, while I think Democrats absolutely should kick rougher committees, we should do that knowing
knowing full well that is not a deterrent is going to mean that more Republicans do what she did, because
this is their only path to power, and this is the
This is the immediate sat silent about our media GSM setting rolling a party, but this is sort of where we are creating. The broader question is: what is the best way to prevent republican politician Publican pundits, more more people in the Republican Party from inciting violence against
regrets that's what we're talking about here and I do think that is we're trying to figure out. Ok, if we're gonna could keep people off committees what's a fair standard, I dont think it
calling people names or just purely offensive language, and I think
we're talking about here, we're talking about language that incite violence, that's Marjorie, Taylor Green has had his his utter. That kind of language Paul ghosts are by posting. An image has, you know, tried to incite violence, and I think that the learned Bobo situation falls into that category as well. You know someone other than that ill homer did this week at her press conferences, she played a voice mail of a death threat that she received just about
our two. After these comments from Buber surfaced and when you listen to that, you realise how scary it must be for her and how scary it must be for Muslims across the country
when they hear a member of Congress who has some position of authority even if she's, quite junior, saying that all Muslims are terrorists, because their muscle, because of their religion, which is the most anti,
American thing that I can think of, and so you write like here, think Republicans take the house. Are they gonna kick Democrats off their committees? Yet
probably probably a lot more than just a few democrats, they might kick them all of the committees. I mean area who knows who the fuck knows, but like
I dont know that we can sort of change.
our behaviour or base our behaviour on what they might do. I do think it important for us to have a fair standard. I think if members of Congress are calling me
other fuckin assholes, that's probably not enough to get the Suffrage committee. There are real
do, you know like. I think that we can. We can take it too far, but incitement to violence yeah that should welcome qualify that you qualify. We John Republicans
to kick members of their own party off the committees for the mortal sin of supporting a bill that niche Mcconnell support roads, inadequate road,
so we sense are probably we kicks of Democrats off the hearings that you're writing violence by some
building roads, its roads and railways like right beneath inciting violence is supporting bipartisan roads and bridges. Does it doesn't it
Things are discovered committees, so there is
lastingly another angle to the story, which is the Inter Party feud that erupted Wynn Report
Lookin congresswoman Nancy, MACE called Bobo comments. Disgusting
Marjorie Terror, green than tweeted. That Nancy MACE is trash,
Nancy MACE, then called green Bachelet crazy by tweeting, a bad Margie, a poop homology and a clown oji. This is I'm up came saying these work
Simply by saying that the area are twenty, twenty one, major political analysis for the day, it is
when, on from there, I believe there are some twitter dunks over a misspelling of the word. Your which is always is
you're, really fuckin, mailed summit.
On Twitter. You get them over their dramatic.
Oh error, about your that's always the best Dunk Kevin,
Mccarthy met, with both Republicans and failed attempt to stop the fight but, of course, still refuses to say anything publicly about boats comments, because he needs the support of every deranged monster in his caucus. In order to be
Speaker dandy. You have a reaction to either the emerges. The grammar
mishap or what this entire fight says about the internal dynamics of the republican Party. But I would like to give you some credit first, which is
because our lives are so boring and a period
If I'm sure, before six, I am recently I text a Jew.
Margaret Yellow Green Tweet, and you said I haven't been on twitter, yet
Has everyone started ducking honour for confusing your with an apostrophe? And while you are
and then LO and behold the male had a good chocolate. How annoying people can be a moan behold, hurricanes, Nancy MACE in her response, which I am sure there is a whole committee of Repair
can staffers who worked on this to dump.
I prefer grammar, and now you gotta you gotta,
There is nothing on this planet
don't make me side with Marge other grain to fire
in a desert for a month. I would accept a glass of water from her,
Nancy MACE. You almost put me there by responding with the grammar dunk,
I was there something bigger here that this is where there is the cabin Mccarthy of it all. Yeah he's our yeah he's an impotent loser. He has no control, and he- and this has been his this cave the way this Point- Africa, Mccarthy,
the product of how Republican there is in the house. It is doing this since the tea party folks showed up in two thousand and ten John Vein.
cater to these people Paul Raw
Ryan Kidder. These people Kevin Mccarthy became speaker only because he proved himself the most willing to appease
the most extreme flank of the body, and so here is this is why the tale always wags the dog and vertical Mccarthy, is a caretaker of this crazy caucus, nothing more, nothing less! You know
retailer Green said the other day we're not. The fringe of the party were the base and she's right debt,
we agree with Marjorie Taylor Green like this, although this is why I have a dream. I want you to know, I agree, but it's like, I do think, nodded dive back into the Virginia results, for I can do that.
but, like I had that minor, yet await our sights. Gotta get was lame. Yanking pulled off their eye
Nothing will be easy for the party as a whole like an look
voting is different than internal Republican Party dynamics within the house, of course, but like Kevin Mccarthy is gonna, do whatever it takes to keep these people happy. The Marjorie Taylor, Greens and the Lauren Beauforts and all the pall go Sars. Another craziness caucus because
Otherwise, he will lose his job or we'll lose his chance to become speaker. Republicans take the house, and you know what that means. That means will get an even crazy earlier we ve been saying. Is we lost John Bay?
we got Paul Ryan was further right. We lost Paul Ryan, we get Kevin Mccarthy who was first rate. We lose Kevin Mccarthy and we were just.
We were on an inevitable path until Marjorie to a green is fuckin speaker here or trot took everything
rapid rate in so I haven't got it.
but that is like you see people like Nancy, MACE and good for Nancy MACE, foregoing after Lauren Bobo on this.
Standing her ground like. I applaud that. But what is it
mere parliament's Nancy Maize is gonna, get a primary challenge, and if she doesn't, she still probably gonna, be you know marginalized within the carcass much like list
He has been or Adam Cleansing or whose now retiring great like this is just you might get a few exceptions here and there that stand up to these people, but they're gonna, be marginalized, were they're gonna, be beaten and a primary. Eventually, it's just that's not
That's not where the parties in the Republican Party here either cider with Margaret had agreed and Donald Trump or your additional for cable job on ever sent me see. Those are the house should Democrats handle
his divisions aside from are watching with a mixed
amusement in horror. Well
It's been a long here, John,
twenty one has not been great. Is it twenty twenty one and that it is still too
twenty I've gotta get stuck in twenty twenty for five years now,.
What whatever it is. It's is an awesome here. It's almost over gosh. I can't really believe can't we just
like how some fun. Here too, we have to exploit this Amazon bigger she d conversation just we definitely do now. We definitely do I mean by that I mean that's probably people opponents to need for us to just have our own personal
b, but
In what way what Democrats have to do with this? And what
and I'm sure everyone wants to do with it is to use all like
all of these things, a series of data points of Republicans being out of the mainstream, irresponsible extreme dishonest
crazy whatever it is, you want to use to paint a picture of a party that cannot be allowed anywhere dear control. Government again,
and sort of one way to think about. It is
We have been living for a long time now in a state of chaos. All
your presidency with chaos than we had a pandemic
and now it feels like we're just swerving from crisis to crisis in some of that is real, like word like before, we see
for this. You and I were talking about like the latest tweets, we ve read about COMECON or democratic, every pronounce it and keep we're going to keep mispronouncing, adjust.
spite the very good that'll show it
you're you're ahead
and by one in part, as he was seen as a person to manage the crisis right.
there is a way to which you can probably this ass. We fine tune, but you can, if you want
normalcy and steadiness an end to the pandemic and an end to inflation and end or whatever else.
This group of people are not the people can help. You get that. I think that that
a chance, ITALY's you somebody things to tell that story. Also, if you are back at twenty twenty arena, we had the conversation that we always talked about how tromp was like different than the Republican Party
He was much worse and one of the things that might have done is given some voters permission to say: okay want to vote against Trump, but I want to vote against. I want to vote for Republicans in Congress, and I do think that holding up more of these Republicans in Congress and elsewhere in the country, other elected officials that are Republicans some of the crazier ones as proof points as to why it's not just trump, but it
Entire Party and actually showing what barber and green and goes our doing in making them the faces of the Republican Party which, as Marjorie Teller Green said there, the base, not the fringe, like let
people why that is- and I do think, that's probably important to communicate to voters in the in the next few years.
Meanwhile in the Senate, Republicans MIKE Lee TED Crews and RON Johnson want to shut down. The government must Democrats agree to defend President Biden vaccine requirement. All fifty republican senators oppose the vaccine requirement, but most of them don't think it's worth the shut down
some of them telling political it would quote, reflect poorly on their party. They all thought about this during their caucus lunch on Wednesday Louisiana.
John Kennedy told reporters Mitch did not say a word. He ate his chicken. He ate two pieces. Why do you think Mitch was so quiet, not that hungry? I do not believe the story.
If you don't, you think he had more than two bites. No, I didn't he was a real you think, really, when, after that check- and now I say he drank the chickens blood, I must go
beef. These missions are caught all vampire of democracy, jokes into the ground for at least the rest of twenty twenty one again area. Here's a turtle than he was an old crone. Now is a bit we're just certain benefits away. I carry and we can't, even if I can get her missus message on Miss Connell, let alone Republican clarify. What do you think we can't when elections against a party personified by large other green
natural coddle obviously knows that knows that this is a doomed effort. They would make elected parliament
vaccine mandates are popular the political morning console pole, which tracks this the support of actually mandate.
as they test a whole series of about where people would accept mandates gum
employs. Majority support, employers majority support businesses, majorities,
They did it. It has majority support in so shutting down the government over something
it is not popular, is never a great idea and we just is not going to
with the end of the vaccine mandate is just gonna end with Republicans looking back over a period of time and so he's trying to avoid a bunch of take crews types from forcing that situation from happening that the last morning console pull that asked voters about this question. It was November tenth, so wasn't Thou Longo. Only thirty. Nine percent of voters do not think that vaccines should be required for employees of businesses with at least a hundred workers, federal contractors or healthcare workers. Thirty four
Republicans supported. So I will say you know by the time you are listening to this either Thursday evening or Friday. Biden just told reporters that he taught the Schuman Mcconnell in there
be no shut down over this quote. Unless somebody decide
to act totally erratic.
have we met the Senate Republican Carcass. You good luck and TED crews, and
Michael E, who knows so yeah
I mean it looks like they may avoided by all it takes, is why
loony tune. Republican senator took to come up the work, the handful of those, so there are a hand
all those are! Well, we will see what happens. We be remiss if we didn't mention the story from
yesterday here that former white has chief of staff mark,
meadows upcoming memoir reveals that Donald Trump tested positive for covert three days before his debate with Joe Biden a time period in which he exposed his staff, reporters, gold, star families and everyone at the debate to a deadly illness. What a cool guy
cool guy. What the story has outraged. Many people, rightly so, myself, included, wouldn't even do with this information. We
Write it down. We painted on board
put it on the mirror. We get it.
Attitude somewhere memento style
We remember that every time we're
can you imagine or Joe Biden,
and delivered on this-
Promise or that or were frustrated,
a politics. If this guy is looming in the wings to be the next President states in a few years,
we never you have a rudder front runner for the nomination he's on was the lock. It's not about look
backwards? Cyber? What happened in the past? This is the guy who wants to be the next president, no cycle
so any in and what he did was
knowingly expose people to a deadly disease is what he did, including his political opponents
and again in an goldstone military families who he blamed.
for potentially giving him covet, then that undermine primers. He knew he already had covered when he met with that and blame them anyway, because they wanted to Huggin kiss me and he had fucking covert. The man is, I wonder, he's a good person.
A person on ethics, and we will we ve talked a lot about how democratic focus on defining their public and party have them, in terms of which always you leave everything. We have discovered from Bogart to Green, to amaze to the vaccine requirements to try
giving people go. Is there any way to weave that into some kind of coherent narrative about the republican Party? Aside from the fact that their I'll fucking nuts, which I dont know, if maybe there
the unhappy digress, a super cool. It's I don't know I've all disengage swing. Voters will buy that, but I think you know at the start, maybe if you
most of this information, they just might
How are they get all? We talked all
the years ago about potential frames for running against Trump
prepare them. One of the ones that we talked about was chaos and corruption
We looked at a lot of focus groups which showed that what Pedro people crazy, where's, the constant and the tweeting he was always interface and
we need them that was magnified by a deadly pandemic in it historic gigantic, immediate recession that brought the costs of that before us, and I think there is something about
chaos in the Republican Party, and maybe it's not. We need this like super
happy paragraph
tested message for producer love and more just the idea of Republic is branded Democrats, not with some specific slogan, a way in which they deserve the they just thrown a bunch of stuff out there that buttressed narrative that made America dead they made some voters think them
rats were out of touch in American, and so is there something we can do. That is chaotic, incompetent and dangerous. Something like that that sort of
we're just get causally see these data points, because people aren't reading the store,
he's watching the the long segment on CNN are them. As he knows there, just seeing a bunch of stuff and do we have the veracity, elevated nothing's. They give people this broader emotional response to the programme party. That is negative near one of the challenges, I think, is the chaos in these last couple years, or ever since Joe Biden has become president, is not necessarily only from the Republican Party in the from sort of external circumstances in the world, the pandemic, the economic
balance? Is inflation etc would not cause by bad men? The Democrats, but it's out there, and I wonder if everyone is true it what we talked about this a little on Tuesdays pod. But what is true about the Republicans what's true about them right now is that they hate Democrats more than they care about the country.
That they only want to fight for themselves in their own power and not fight for the actual people who are supposed to represent this country b them Democrats or Republicans and their waste in time. You know
fights young people inciting violence there, trying to like stop people from being protected by vaccines all of this shit just so that they can like hold on
power and in an own, the limbs that's basic
Why did seem, though they want to have power as opposed to what Joe Biden the Democrats are doing, which is fighting as hard as they can to fix all of these problems and they are fixed yet, and nothing is perfect and we're not there yet, but at least voters can know, the binding Democrats are focused on these problems in full
on fixing them, while the Republicans only focus on trying to win. So you know two ways in which this place out, one is in place,
gets better economy strengthens even more pandemic is behind us by the time people start voting next fall
and then it is do why normal Syria would be taken back to what we had before to want to take the car
for the car back in the shortest increased numbers of something that is really
to no one or things are so
bumpy and in internal, and maybe that some pandemic, maybe some other thing that's happening in the world, and
if the world is on fire, do you want to hire a bunch of arsonists to be in charge right? That sort of ya you thinking about
if we don't like these are all these are noble propositions, but there is a lot more information. We can burn based on cheap uncertainties in the ground and talking to voters about what is what we are actually looking for it in
all of this is about trying to make it some sort more of a choice and less of a referendum. When people go to the polls
which is actually more possible. The people think, because polarization we could certainly benefit from some quantitative data polling, qualitative data focus groups again focus groups are different than polls, show just get you. They give you a little more contacts.
Or richness to what people are actually talking about, and then you match Photometer use my got in twitter turf, some such efforts,
Yet I find to my job it's either. It's either the best social science.
Have available, even though its not perfect and can be wrong or your got in.
twitter, either one totally they're both the second about this. When we come back, then we'll talk to Professor LEO Lippman about the Supreme Court oral arguments in
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Yesterday, the Supreme Court heard arguments in May
your case that will determine the future of abortion rights, United States joining us now
break down. What happened is measured
Moscow, Professor, in co host of the pact
strict scrutiny we eleven we are welcome to the pot, thinks adding so
Lot of the commentary and reporting from four
who observe the argument yesterday was quite pessimistic about the future. What was your take on? What happened?
RO is going to end. The only question is when and how there's no question that the Supreme Court is going to uphold the Mississippi statute, which prohibits abortions more than fifteen weeks after a person's last.
It and if and when they uphold that statute, they will be a visceral in the core of the protections and rovers his weight row held. That states cannot prohibit women before viability before the point at which a foetus is viable outside of the
from deciding to have an abortion and Mississippi statute. Conceitedly prohibits abortions before viability
so no matter whether the Supreme Court issues the words rovers, his weight is overruled. They will be
this rating, the protection of that decision when they uphold the Mississippi statute. Now I think a lot of people thought the Supreme Court was going to try to avoid
Lloyd, issuing the words
This wade is overruled because they didn't want to provoke backlash, but it's not clear
that the conservative justices actually care about that. I think they are comfortable enough with their position of power
Five of them might pull the trigger in this case, so
there had been a as you point out this ballade a discussion about a world in which real
was eviscerated, but out of return much as they have done with the Voting Rights act it over a long period. Now
Were they to go the root of this raven out overturning? What would that look like? How could you even have the pretext of holding
upholding Mississippi and claiming that,
as consistent with row or Casey,
so. Sam Alito at all have said a lot of ridiculous things, so they could certainly issue an opinion under the pretence of were upholding grow while also invalidating the Mississippi statute and here's. What that would look like, they would say, were
formerly overruling rovers, weighed and saying that women have no liberty interest whatsoever in deciding to obtain an abortion, but what they would do is a race. What is called the viability
line and the viability line was the core of the protection in row that the Supreme Court reaffirmed in nineteen eighty two and plan Parenthood versus Casey and what those decisions said was before
viability before the point at which the fetus is viable outside the womb. The woman must have the ultimate decision about whether to end her pregnancy
via an abortion, and if the Supreme Court erases the viability line, then it would be opening the floodgates for states to prohibit abortion.
Earlier and earlier, because they would be removing the clear lie in that they had established in previous cases
and which states couldn't go and so then, all of a sudden
question would be well at what point before fifteen weeks can states prohibit abortion and states have tried to prohibit abortions after ten weeks from a person's less period? Twelve weeks, eight weeks six weeks in the case of tat,
says and wants a Supreme Court erases the viability line and says states can prohibit some number of abortions before viability. Then, all of a sudden, we don't know at what point states can prohibit abortions, and so it would just be open season and on abortion access
and so let's say rosy their overturned, or this case is upheld, the viability wine is a race. What is that? How does that go into effect? Our people affected around that
tree, who is impact? It immediately does it matter where you live, help explain of them has been fifty years.
Under this reality? How does that change their ethics into the day after this rolling? So there are two ways in which this will immediately affect people
one? Is many states have on the books what are called trigger laws, laws that say
then when rovers Wade is overruled, we criminalized
abortion with limited exceptions. So if the Supreme Court issued an opinion that overrules rovers Wade all of a sudden those law,
would go into a fact. An abortion access would be dramatically curved and second, even if they dont,
normally overrule row, but they say state can prohibit abortion that some points before viability, then all
the laws that had previously been invalidated because they prohibited abortions before viability. All
southern states would seek to try and reopen those cases and get caught
say: maybe you can enforce those laws. After all said, this would be a problem in red states, but it would also be a problem in purple states where,
You have heavily gerrymandered state legislatures
and so those legislators aren't going to repeal the trigger laws that are on the books or the restrictive abortion laws that would all of a sudden, possibly be
to come back and so many
Many people in many different states will be immediately affected. Obviously the people who will be both
endanger. Our poor women who lack the sis
economic resources to on a dime, just go to another state where abortion is legalised and
younger women. You know who might not know they are pregnant, or you know people who are using contraception
for the first time and contraception fails. I mean all of these groups who are historically disadvantage.
Edge- and you know have
Fewer resources are going to be the ones who immediately feel the effects of this decision and to certain measures.
frankly if a state had passed, a law that has been struck down today have to pass it again.
Oh, it's actually unclear. There will be litigation about whether states would be allowed
enforce a law that had been effective. We what's called
enjoined or the statesman prohibited from enforced saying for a long period of time, and if that law
haven't been enforced? You know had been lying dormant for a fifty years. Since row was decided, there will be some
arguments that it would be unfair or potentially violate due process for states to all
sudden, bring it back on and star prosecuting people, but formally arms
it could seek to enforce those laws without actually reacting. Then it both in the
discussions around the changes in certain core, the Texas Wall, the Mississippi law. There has been a push.
At the federal level to try to pass a federal law. That would be, as I think it is sometimes I believe, incorrectly described
enshrining the principles of Rome? I
like just seventy secured for listeners, that there are a lot of problems include that mostly involved your mansion and getting and the filibuster to get such a law passed. But just a theoretical perspective is that
now out. The window was a solution. If row is overturned, reiterated how without law interact with this, if at all and so forth,
molly, overruling row would now
a women aid congresses, ability to enact some protections for abortion access. Realistically, however, that if this court is
actually willing to overrule Rovers Wade. I think people need to be prepared for the possibility
that they are also more than willing to invalidate any federal legislation that a democratic Congress and democratic President would sign that would try to safeguard.
Portion access, so the arguments that the conservative justices were throwing around at argument yesterday
we're so outlandish and so outrageous. It kind of suggest that basic logic basic precedent. Basically,
back for institutional legitimacy are not really constraining them and they feel in bold it and to pursue,
Conservative antiabortion agenda in law reason: facts: women's health, dignity,
standing on so formally
overruling row, wouldn't limit congresses, ability to enact abortion protection abortion protections by realistically on this court will
find other legal avenues to women congresses ability to safeguard abortion access, whether that's limiting Congress has power to enact legislation under the
fourteen amendment or other constitutional provisions where it was there anything in ports,
you're that stood out to you from the arguments of the lines of questioning from the justices that you found partake.
Rageous, are alarming or interesting, so I think in some way
the most outrageous thing came from Justice bear it on who suggested that the fact that women can draw
off children at police stations or fire houses
actually eliminated the need for rovers his way because they could overcome.
of the obligations of parenting- and you know it
got undergoing the emotionally and like physically gruelling processes of childbirth and pregnancy, worse,
somehow not meaningful to her if they could just put the children up for adoption she
to envision a world in which you know every kind of adults
Sean ended like the ending of Juno
singing happy happens with with Michael Sarah and that the pregnancy was just not significant, and you know that that debt
was, I think, very astonishing arm, especially given that women in Mississippi face something like oh
seventy times greater, a medical or health risk from deliver
the child than from having a pre viability, abortion. You know those medical risks seem to be meaningless to her and
in many women, will lack health insurance cover
As for the medical costs associated with pregnancy that to seem to be meaningless, women are now
entitled to paid family leave either,
a federal level nor in Mississippi specifically, so they could lose their jobs.
While they, you know complete and unwanted pregnant
see and undergo forced child birth, and all of these costs seem to be completely demand
ass to her. In fact, in her question, she acquainted those interests and
women's interests in bodily autonomy with the bodily autonomy for not getting
vaccine. The idea that, if an equal infringement to have a life saving shot jabbed into your arm, that it is to undergo a nine month
of unwanted pregnancy. It was astonishing and she did that not once but twice so. That was definitely why
I think very alarming moment, and then there were other moments when some of the justices suggested that maybe they should,
and would regard fetuses as persons or people, in which case Congress would definitely lack the authority to protect abortion riots on, but it wasn't clear. Five justices were
bored with that notion. We thank you so much for joining us in helping us understand this very disturbing hearing in the very scary future that maybe before us
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all right before we go. We want to talk about some developments in the twenty twenty two Senate map. Jerry
bring, has made holding the house quite a challenge for Democrats, but if the political environment improves, we may not just
are Senate majority. We may actually be able to grow it by flipping some republican held seats, the most likely of which is the one held by retiring, Senator Pat to me in Pennsylvania this week, the razor
place. Him got a bit more crowded when celebrity physician and long time, New Jersey, resident Doktor OZ announced that he's running in the republican primary doctor I spent years pushing phony wait. Last supplements on his television show before pivoting to Kofi Quackery is a Fox news contributor, where he pushed hydroxide clerk,
when and said things like this first, we need our mojo back. Let's start with things that are really
critical to the nation, where we think we must build up without getting into a lot of trouble. I tell you:
rules are a very appetising opportunity. I just saw these peace, the lancet, arguing that the open
schools may only cost us to three percent in terms of total Morton
already and inner that's any life is a life loss, but to get every child back into
go where their safely being educated, being fed and making
Mostar, their lives with a theoretical, risking the backside might be a trade off. Some folks will consider you best. We get our mojo back, kill some kids that'll. Do it doctor I mean that I wasn't let a couple times: nose like
Did you really? He apparently apologise for that later. Did you are I'm where this I'm sure enraged fear. I remember this. I don't look. Look there's twenty five twitter. Originally too, I can keep track of. All of that was twenty. Twenty was that it was the heyday
We are outraged about everything all the time, nothing out its improved, but yet I was bad. That was back then, by the way we have talked about covert schools here,
This was this was not like, ok Kay,
Caesar down, we have vast scenes. We have good ventilation. We have great testing and now will be able to open schools safely for kids to make sure that their in class and not just from our there was not that debate. This was like height of the pandemic. Let's open up the schools and see what happens to the three percent mortality. What
so he announced his candidacy with the statement in the Washington examiner is one does where he focused mostly on the pandemic. Writing quote elites with yards, told those without yards to stay inside where the virus is more likely to spread and the arrogant close minded people in charge closed our parks shuddered our school shut down our businesses,
and took away our freedom. Would you think of Doktor OZ as a primary candidate and potential general election candidate in Pennsylvania who feed?
note that the UK, summarize is anyone's rights, says Celebrity New Jersey, resident announces for Pennsylvania Senate in Washington Dc Paper set, but neither is that I think
I really have no idea how this will play out in the republic in primary that fail to stall shaping up a little bit now.
Sean Cornell trumps chosen candidate is out of it
No, it's very hard to predict what republican voters will do, but I think
general election matter. Democrats should absolute, not dismiss this candidacy right. It is. He is incredibly famous by key
famous in a trump like way where he is famous for
and the good way the pony have beneficial led. The way of progress for this, which is he is associated in the minds of millions and millions of Americans, had been watching him for years with expertise me
go and expertise it while running presented in a panic,
that is gonna, be a veritable thing and lots,
It also does reorganization, like celebrity candidates, tend to flame out right anyway,
Wes Clark, General S, clerk who ran for president, the you
an array of people like MEG, Whitman, Curly, fear, arena and others who were but being
a special kind of famous person who is very good at running for president and those
famous people who are famous largely for being famous, does without metropolis
people who are good at being famous because being a person whose
business and livelihood is based on maintaining their fame is someone who
is very skilled at maintaining the public attention. That's really well
taxes in stating Johanna think he's gonna win, there's some very good candidates on the democratic side.
being from New Jersey is definitely not an asset when running for Pennsylvania. From Sunday Pennsylvania, but I think we
couldn't dismissive as he comes into this with a real brand
a name I d that could be given
we know what is likely to be a good Republican here, a very, very legitimate shot at this.
I think we have learned by now that there is a rather large constituency for con men, tv hosts who rage against the establishment, which is just what he does. I mean
like you said, people are going to remember him from he became famous first on the upper when free show people Trust Oprah. Quite a bit he's on a lot of mainstream like morning shows
before it is a from his own television show, so that there is probably a level of trust that a lot of Americans have an empty. Does. Give me a lot of Donald Trump on the apprentice vibes, where much of the country were big fan of the apprentice and that's how they knew Donald Trump and Donald Trump did not seem extremely
he seemed like maybe an asshole, but he didn't seem extreme to them. While he was the host of the Apprentice- and I think people probably see a good
of people probably see doctors that way, and I will also say that he has a message about the pandemic. That may unfortunately resonate with a lot of people who are tired of the pandemic, and I wish people weren't
and but like you know, talking about closures and what's under people as we hadn t year, two of the pandemic, with potentially another variant, that's going to cause us trouble
and you have him running around they're. Talking about pretending to be an expert talk,
about why this or that you know
on pharmaceutical intervention is wrong or this or that wrong is wrong or whatever else it may be. Like you know, I totally agree that democratic it seriously. I do wonder like how a Democrat would approach. Doktor, OZ and his message in
this race. Do you have any thoughts on that debates? It is then a little bit on who the nominee is and how they do it. I think carpetbagger is a has always been a
let's have a successful strategy is not entirely not work as well. On famous people, Robert Kennedy, New York, Hillary clinton- in your maybe it's near specific- I don't know
but I think you're gonna want to make him seem not.
Sirius not in it. For the right reasons,
it's getting like almost in some major best. Canada's can it be somewhat like he's not running as bug case about patients will be the perfect personal run against doktor eyes.
Is it is someone who
is serious and can run counter to that sort of celebrity new is
be interesting to see. I imagine
The immediate instinctive alot of democratic apparatus is going to be to try to say he's just like trot.
I think that's gonna be a lot harder to do than people think I think that's correct. I think you have to look he one of the times we ve seen him in the public eye before covered was arm and twenty fourteen in front of us and a committee when he got a lot of criticism, as he should have for pushing quackery for pushing all kinds of supplements there. It was day you know, make you lose weight that didn't really make you lose weight and they think working to at least at the beginning, exposed him as someone who's put his own financial gain before the public's health is important, exposing him as a fraud. Exposing him as a con man is probably go
to be, as that is virtually a comment from out of state. You know a common front of state who, like with that's, going to be probably, I think, easier to do and may be more effective than just calling him a trompe extremist. I think people transaction, which is not going to be particularly successful
unless they are, unless it's like Lauren Bogart, unless it's Marjorie Taylor Green, rightly get might work for some people, but you just have to know who the person is in you can't over exaggerate the traits of the person that you're running. Again again, I think that's been the
The problem is something they dug into in the message works a few weeks ago. That, I think, is what one considering have it?
is really interesting to compare how Gavin Newsome use tromp against slavery
and how to recall a fuse trump against Glenn.
Now elder, none can be different by, but that's the point
Iroquois Ebby these the point, but there also
It obviously it's going to work better on someone like Larry other than Glenn Young can, but
There was more new wants to the message which was they use. Trump is an example to show that Larry Elder was extreme, not suggest, say he is Trump right Glenn.
Like the difference between using
Isn't it s using the making them part of this extreme thing, you're worth interesting? You are the person righteous Glenn trumpeted right nuance in subtlety, while lost arts in our political debate today.
Still important for political campaigns, don't treat voters like idiots and no end, then Terry Mccullough has never been accused of suddenly subtlety for any, for. Nor has many of the Clinton campaigns,
Frank, ok, they're, just say it sort of what they do? Have rapid the tough rapid response whirled over there and they just sort of hit everything with the hammer, the sum to be some to be mindful of some be mindful of,
from hasn't made an endorsement of Pennsylvania and flask candidate. He backed dropped out over allegations of child abuse that,
John Penelope mentioned
but he has endorsed, is slew of trompe Senate candidates with so far mixed results
your Walker, is currently leading in Georgia by a wide margin and is leading and fund raising, but
in Alabama congressmen Mo Brooks, is being outraged by Katy bred in Alaska. Kelly Chewbacca is nearly twenty points behind me. Some rakowski
TED Bud is pulling behind Pat Magruin North Carolina in Blake Masters is pulling behind. Mark Barnevik in
A zone of those are all trump backed candidates. Would
take on this too early. Or is it possible that the republic,
party is not as enamoured with Trump as we think a little bit of both. Probably, I think,
take what you can see from this and from some of the other special actions we ve had where either trumped candidate has performed less well, then you thought or not one the primary is which, as
stands and sort of contrary to the public with them is tromp is neither kingmaker nor king breaker. Here
endorsement is not enough to give someone.
Audit matter how bout a killer that they are to give some sort of push them
office as it was when he was president like it's what he he destroyed, Canada,
by endorsing people's opponents. He put brain camp and
the scientists in office by endorsing them
he is less influence now that's impartially related to these out of office, but also he's out of the even
You know, maybe for that they give you a fox. We were you only see a little bit
You have to be like deepen away any news max. I get a lot of trouble in your life
so? For the broader republican party, electorate trump is not really. He is also in the
don't, even if they want him to come back to the foreground, he is not dominating their lives and perhaps our decision making process here, don't you see the same thing he's just
it's it's too early and in trumps been too, I don't say it's been too quiet because he can't shut up, but people haven't heard from him as much because of his. The lack of twitter account there and the vague, but he's just now there s a lot of robbing primary Europe's voters, probably dont know which candidate Trump has.
if you get a call from a poster right now. Some of these cases are, of course, a proxy battle between transferred candidates and Mc Connell's preferred candidates.
Who is both a route for there
I think there is a natural sense from a lot of people that we would much prefer the Magyar Fox NEWS, Canada to in the primary Gazeta. They will be therefore easier.
Beat, and I dont think that is always the case. In some cases it very well maybe, but I just get out of it- depends on the place in because one
We have two recognizes
that sort of look at this you're like while Glenn Duncan Wine, and he was not its clinical trumpet candidate. What
it was in addition, I think, being a relatively skilled candidate at a very adept wire and a lot of ways is, he was an outsider.
In many cases
and he was now already against, the ultimate insider internment off.
In some cases the trunk bat.
I got candidates can be so out of the mainstream that they are going to be there to be a part of them.
In some cases the person you're gonna, run against
is the person who is more closely associated with Miss Mcconnell, an republic assumption dismiss Mcconnell less popular the job
Republican Party less popular than Trump ad,
people who have been associated with
mainstream republican policies for cutting
in voting to catch up.
As for the ranch and pay for it by cutting better financial security level may be, in some cases easier to
just because there is
As we see these like
super mega friendly, like TED, but has one that we didn't cabinets react awhile back. Why
intra videos, were they when they announcer candidacy or like these people, are not
Is there a packing guns and drive pick up drugs and their dreams,
smashing a tv with CNN on it or whatever right. Others were like these people are
its run against them, but that may we should? It may be
That is a better message than we think or that it
is that really media will that hard to beat and the other person in that state whose more traditional public competition, I think
agreed. That and I'll just add to go back to what we said about. Learn: Boebert, Marjorie, Taylor, Green, it's not really about who you're rooting for its about making the most again highlighting the most
stream people in their party and making them the face of the Republican Party and that it and it's important that voters know who the Republican Party is in twenty twenty one and its not just trump that they may dislike, but a lot of other people who have
equally important positions. Estralla, all politics, lash enough. That's right! Last question. One of the key areas we have to win is in Georgia, where
Reverend Ruffian Warnock will run for reelection this week, Stacy Abrams jumped into the race for governor here's a clip from,
Download video leadership? That knows how to do the job leadership it does it take credit without also taking responsibility. Leadership that understands the true pain folks are feeling and has real plans that the job of coming to fight for one George, our joint and now it's time to get the job done,
it's nice to get some good political news. Half do you think it helps worn out to be.
the ticket with Abrams and in general, what you think about her chances and pronouncement video. It absolutely helps to be.
The balance is Abrams like gets over questions and answers itself, but it's going to your you're, taking both I mean,
Are any Abrams who ran incredible races, wanted twenty Tina, wanted twenty twenty and didn't amazing job, and not just turning out democratic values that actually having more broad based appealed and people would suspect
and doing it across the state of Georgia right of veto bridge.
do seeing some of the margins are increasing democratic turn out a rural parts of the state so actually having the birth of that is going to help both of them. I think that isn't that is great,
I thought that that interview was incredibly interesting and it made me think about something that our old friend David,
sir I've used to say back in two thousand and eight with member when
we we fly in high and low to the ground.
but it was always a moment ago. We do these these
big rallies in huge iconic videos and, as an ax would say, we have to get outta the ground because people vote for the person, not the person, and
with this evens ran and twenty eighteen, she was
before her legislative leader who ran this group
ass roots, no frills campaign, and since
and has become an icon,
Democrats or she's a resistance celebrity, she is supported by all.
She was rightly
idiot, along with
lot of other really important organizers too.
When Georgia for major vine president do all of these things. She is written on
best selling crime novel the period? And so how do you get back
here is: how do you swerve against that's leverage
anyone who has talked to Stacy Abrams knows wasn't she's, not circumference. As that she is and like this very
I would very far out of the way to be Stacy
the person staterooms the organizer Sepia Cecy Abrams estate legislator and that's easy Abrams, the liberal I kind or democratic. I can't, I guess I thought it was a master class in and more democratic messaging should be that video, I think you know in one scene,
she's saying a prayer in another she's talking about Rural Georgia, she's talking about one Georgia. Unifying people in these are messages that you would not necessarily associate with liberals on twitter or resistance he heroes, but it's not that it's just that she has sort of gin ray. I don't actually referring to message just for this raise up when you try to take these Abrams. This is hurts
I'll of politics and has been forever and it's one of the reasons that I have always right
We admired progressive politicians who ve come up in red states because they understand that to win in those states or even to come close to winning in those states. You do have to spend most of your time talking about. How are you going to materially improve people's lives? That's what they care about. They don't actually care about all the fucking things that we fight about on twitter or talk about an infection of discourse all the time they care about. How are you going to improve my life, and she has always been squarely focused on that and not just in her voter registration efforts that she's been
in the last three years, but the other thing she's done is you know, she's been out in Georgia, are trying to get people vaccinated and trying to fight against vaccine hesitancy by going like door to door and making sure that people who are hesitant to take the vaccine or getting back
They did not yelling about not screaming about it, just like trying to improve that situation, improve people's lives and I think, if she can sort of detached herself from the national debate as much as possible and really focus on Georgia and Georgians and how to shoot,
proved their lives? Should she'll do quite well in what is going to be, as we know, an incredibly difficult environment do I wish
we're running in twenty eighteen again, yeah, of course like that
she's facing a lotta headwinds and twenty twenty two just like most Democrats are so I think it's gonna be harder than when she ran and twenty eighteen, even though she's more experience, but I am glad that she's doing it absolutely
All right! Well, that is all the time we have for today. Thank you to Professor Leah Lippman for joining us and the area,
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