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“An orgy of corruption.”

2018-08-21

Mueller gets another witness, Trump and Rudy become more unhinged, conservative donors reward the politicians who made them richer, and Republicans try to suppress the vote in Georgia. Then first-time candidate and 2016 Teacher of the Year Jahana Hayes talks to Tommy about her race for Congress.

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And campaign events in your area, so you can go help out volunteer and you'll get a good look at your ballot it's a one. Stop shop! John now, the key here couple things one when this idea for surface we're talking about are like that has to already exist, turns out. It didn't so, thank God, Tonya so maneaters. Here she worked at the White House. Digital office. Shelters, pull this together along with Nico, are political director, but not all the features we just described are ready. Yet it takes awhile to put together your ballot, like the state, doesn't necessarily have all the polling locations so don't get upset if it's not there, but you need to sign up now. So we can get you the information that you need when it's all available, it's worth it, it's something we think will help people just be engaged right now. The best thing to do is sign. With your email, and what you can do now is check your voting, registration and and register online and, like you said to me as the as we get into September and October,
yeah we'll be there, but already there's a ton of events listed. So when you actually sign up it tells you what do where you are to participate right now, which is a great first step and even more importantly, just share it put it on your facebook page tweet it out like tell your friends about it, because we have notes taken this besides democracy. This is a tool we we paid to assemble because we want to make it easier for people to vote and get and get that the whole thing, and so we hope people use yeah. Do it. Alright, let's get to the news, There are quite a few developments in the investigation into the gang of dip Shitz running, run right now, so, let's just go the one by one great on Friday, counsel Robert Muller, recommended in a memo that former Trump aide George Papadopoulos serve up to six months in prison for the of lying to the FBI, which he pled guilty to Muller says the topless is repeated, lies about his contacts with russian officials during the twenty sixteen campaign cause damage to the government's invest
Asian. Tell me: what did we learn from Miller's filing hear anything useful I think we learned well with all things. George Papadopolous, it's hard to tell whether he's just very stupid or stupid in hiding some very bad behavior, but it certainly combination of both. I think a lot of people thought that Papadopoulos was cooperating constantly in offering all kinds of good information, in fact that that's not the case according to Miller. In this document it says he lied to conceal its contacts with Russians and russian intermediaries, by which the government says prevented them from adequately questioning key witnesses, as the professor at MIT sued, who is in the United States pop up Papadopoulos, didn't explain how important he was in real time.
So this should went back to wherever he is now and they were unable to fully question him. So you know we learned that George isn't like goose golden Goose, but he's an important witness, and he also is reminded the steel dossier is not how this whole Russia probe started. It started with an offer of dirt on Hillary Clinton too much. Officials in George got drunk and brag about it. Even though he's not the star witness here it also the filing showed just how extensive I thought the investigation is, because the memo says the defendant did not provide quote substantial assistance and much of the info, provided, came only after the government. Confronted him with his own emails text, messages, internet search, history and other info. It had obtained via search warrants and subpoenas, including a phone he used while he was in the UK which he used to talk with this professor at great length, and it was the fourth
proffer session, where you look who you with the london phony things. You say that, like these guys in some trouble I mean that is pretty stupid and and- and we should end by saying he still has legal exposure on potential additional charges relating to you know not acting as a foreign agent conspiracy to defraud the United States, all the other good stuff, most look into. Would you think of it? George Papadopoulos is way I technically speaking as a dull he's a dope he's a real dope and he's gone through quite a little Martin Shkreli phase on Twitter, yeah yeah and die. I don't like it as well from a like for sweet away from buying a Wu Tang Album. It's really it's really not good, but when you say your camp criminals in the dregs republican politics on some of the when it up in jail. Well, let's let's move on to the next goon, which one the New York Times reporter, For the weekend, the White House Counsel, Don Mcgahn, has been extensively cooperating with Mueller's team sitting for at least three homes,
let me think for at least a three voluntary interviews that have lasted more than thirty hours. All together, we don't, I said John- was that what's good, for the goose is good for them again the design that's, what I always say good. So I was reported again and his attorney couldn't understand what Trump was so willing to. Let him speak with him, but the drums attorneys felt their client had nothing to hide. So Trump currently was also mistaken that the White House counsel right him personally and is there to defend his interests not to represent the White House in the office of the presidency itself. The times followed up with a report on Monday that Trump's lawyers still have no idea what Mcgann told Mullers team when he met with them. Then there was a sort of a late breaking Washington Post story before we started recording that said
Mcgann's lawyer in an email said that he does not believe that Mcgann incriminated the president in his testimony and that it when, in fact he sent an email to a bunch of people in the White House and the legal team saying he did not incriminate him. Also just we just pause for a moment that's where things are at the White House, where Mcgann has his work? Hey. Can you do me a favor I'm having a real good, real, weird vibes at work. Would you mind just sending an email for me? I think if I send it it's weird: would you mind sending it and don't even say that I ask you to send just send it that says I didn't incriminate the president in federal crimes because I work with these people. Like you, don't understand, I work with them every day. It's so weird there now! Well, that's funny that mean they did say like well. If he had incriminated the president, he had witnessed the president committing any crimes. He surely would have resigned
because I'm sure it's again, it's Amanda upstanding character again, a whole area standard, I think you'll know the present is a criminal, because that's when I'll quit tell me how significant is the story? You know it's hard to tell yeah I mean: one initial thought I had when I was reading it was. I could finally appreciate how frustrated trump must be with this whole process, because he picks up the pay. And he learned about how his White House counsel is cooperating. Far more than he ever knew with the investigation that could takedown his presidency and now he's in a position where, if he fires me again, it could be used against him in obstruction case, so that sucks. I don't really feel sympathy for him, but I get wisest. There's some question, though, about the motive behind this leak: Marcy Wheeler we've had on the show really strongly
back on the idea that me again is cooperating here by choice and that he's really doing anything special because, as the White House counsel he's, the government's lawyer is the the the good lawyer for the office of the presidency. He doesn't have the chance to assert attorney client privilege, like you, would in a normal case and Bob our writes about on lawfare. It's pretty well established law, so they're trying to make this argument that they've been incredibly transparent with the investigation trump steam loves. To cite the fact that they turned over one million pages of documents with a lot of this is sort of a smoke screen because you're turning over, like a million pages of emails, that are news, clippings it sorted meaningless, like the key, is that Trump still hasn't sat for an interview. Bush and Cheney during the plane investigation, so the other key thing that Marcie Point was Mcgann, and this whole article is about the obstruction of justice charges. It doesn't save Muller as Mcgann about russian collusion. Specifically, even though he was the key lawyer on the case on these issues
I make it on the campaign, I'm sorry he was the keyboard on the campaign about these issues. He's like a campaign, finance experts so begin faces real risk here, and it's sort of glosses over that fact. But I don't know, I just think it's so awesome that Mcgann apparently decided to be really helpful and cooperated because one day Trump's other lawyers, Ty Cobb and John Dowd went to a fancy steak place and you know talked a little too loud at lunch,
times reporter heard them bitching about DOM again, and so he was like well, these guys are trying to screw me. I'm going to go to cooperate with Muller in this place is just a snake pit and it's going to kill them all. It seemed as if from all the reporting that Mcgann believed that Trump may make him the fall guy for obstruction and be like well. I was given advice by my White House counsel that I could take these actions whether it was firing Comey whether it was telling comitta let Flynn off all this kind of stuff, and he remembers that John Dean President Nixons console they tried to set him up as call Guy for Watergate Dean, obviously pled guilty to obstruction charges and then cooperated with the government to help bring down Nixon. And some again from against point of thinking cover my ass. I want a co op
with smaller end, like you said, and if I don't cooperate with Muller now, he could subpoena me anyway, right yeah, it's interesting. It's been a lot of reporting about whether Trump thinks Trump did anything wrong. What seems to me is obvious is that Don Mcgahn doesn't believe that Don Mcgahn facilitated Donald Donald Trump breaking the law at the White House, and it would make sense to me that he would try to protect himself. But, but power made this point about the fact that and Tommy you made it to that Mcgann is required to cooperate. I am less interested in the kind of meeting out of guilt like is Trump trying, drop. A dime on began is began, trying to protect himself whether it's from what happened and what happened in the White House when I, what to me is more interesting and important? Is the White House counsel had to spend thirty hours?
talking to Robert Muller. Because of all he knows around this investigation and how wrapped up his office now is into a series of investigations into very serious federal crimes, which is, as Bob Bauer pointed out, it's a unique situation for the White House counsel to be into to have been via with to be a witness in this way and to continue and be a witness while continuing to play the role of White House counsel. Well in all the presidents lawyers. And a lot of people in the White House have said for a long time a we don't believe that it's possible that Donald Trump could be charged with obstruction of justice or could be guilty of obstruction of justice or could be impeached for obstruction of justice. Really we don't think this is the real thing and clearly Don Mcgann doesn't believe that, because that's, why don't we set down and wanted to cooperate about this now? The question is: why did Trump? Let me again, do it right now and that seems to be a whole other set problem like there seems to be a couple buckets of frustration, one everyone
Adam Agains lawyer didn't fully briefed Trump's legal team on how much he said how long he said it. It cetera two there was early strategy where Trump's lawyer for some reason, believed him when he said he didn't do anything wrong, knowing that he is a long history of lying to everyone, including his family and lawyers, and fig they decided. Let's fully cooperate with this inquiry and then the Rudy Giuliani's of the world of shut it down. Since again, was it posted that strategy from day one? It sounds like it sounds like Bannon has been on the record forever saying that participating or cooperating with the investigation was mistake, so that flight is happening. I mean in the day you have a bunch of largely incompetent people who don't each other battling it out constantly it's like it's going to be a horrible outcome, even even trump himself can't help but review feel the underlying criminal, a we're all assuming as part of this conversation because he's saying things like
DOM again, no rat yeah. I know favorite, you can't rat somebody out for not breaking the law, that's not how Raton people out works. Also, if you not watch anything, I thought I know you fast forward to the non violent parts of movies, but there's been cut, you got you got caught a conversation in Goodfellas. The villain in the Nixon White House was starts with Nixon, do you rat on Richard Nixon, I mean we can sort of get caught up in the details of like who's writing. Right. Well, let's step back for a second all these, this is in the White House are telling Axios that began was a helpful witness to trump their glad. He cooperating, he was helpful and they said quote in the two meetings to discuss firing. Comey, the president was instructed by AIDS that this is not going to end the investigation. It's only going to make it worse. The heat will be turned up and Trump said. I understand that, but I have no car. And send him so I'm going to fire him. That's a good fact said: the source first of all, I'd like anyone imagined, Donald Trump saying
I have no confidence in him anymore. I'm going to fire him, of course not, but also like we know, that's all bullshit, because Donald Trump told Lester Holt why he fired Jim Comi and then, which is which is because of the Russia thing, and then the next day in the oval office when they were fucking. The russian foreign Minister, in there Donald Trump said them all the pressures off me now, because I got rid of Komi and he was on my ass about that. Russia thing there are no also like well, you know Donald Trump. What he cares about. Most of all, his confidence in and the people who served as his administration loyalty disloyal teeth, help him hurt him. What matters to him is the faithful execution of log me a break also. I was reminded that Trump tried to get Don Mcgahn to deny in New York Times report that said, Trump had pressured him to fire Muller and Mickey had to remind him like hey boss, you actually did do that. Even though Trump had about Brandon Trump Win, told
porter another great guy working in this White House, to tell him again that if you refuse to make a statement denying the story that he be fired and began again, You so like, of course, and then again told that similar. Like this all the ways you spell meta again, ask homie for loyalty, pledge Asco me to let Flynn go fires. Chomi tries to fire, Muller um Wells tries to get sessions to Miller, publicly pressures sessions to thank him for today that he couldn't take over the investigation anytime. You want yeah, you know again, the the the the the legal thing here is a corrupt intent, corrupt intent to obstruct justice. It's also like you can step even further back from all of this. You know so much of so much of the stories. You guys talk about. Isn't there say that that so much is happening out in the open, but as it we're constantly searching for that secret. That's going to that's going to make the new difference. It's to change everybody's mine here again. What we are seeing is extraordinary reporting
White House counsel has spent thirty hours again and again sitting down with a with investigation into the president, the White House in his campaign for crimes, including conspiracy and obstruction of justice. There's a lot of speculation as to why that interview happened. What's the outcome it? What does it mean? The fact that it is so embroiled this White House is in and of itself a very, very big deal and actually the only thing we know for sure. So, what's up with the White House reaction to this news, Trump obvious, taking it all in stride. He first that is like a sea cucumber a little. He, it's his body. He said that Mcgann spoke with smaller because he allowed it and then he attacked the New York Times John Brennan, Jim CALL, Andrew Mccabe Peter, struck, Bruce or Jeff sessions. Hillary Clinton Bob Miller his
OJ lawyers who he called disgraced, discredited thugs and compare them all to Joseph Mccarthy. That was so does this? Does this seems like the musings of an innocent man, my favorite, there were so many good tweet but my ok, my favorite sweet with Trump saying that members of the media are calling the White us to complain about the New York Times story, such Fake news like like Maria Barta Roma, or something like maybe like commiserating, with Sean Hannity at the golf club or whatever. But I love the idea that like beat reporter to calling you the the way to switchboard being like I'd like to call the complain about the New York Times, damn balls- I hey- I want to share with the president- I'm I'm really bummed out this time story Well, if he's innocent, you know he thinks he did nothing wrong. We're told by you know all of his staff and reported that he did it work. Why is he acting like this? Maybe because he's fucking guilty crazy or both or both yeah. I don't know my second favorite. Was him encouraging us to quote study the late Joseph Mccarthy, because my learn is gang? Make Joseph Mccarthy look like a baby one
it's a weird image and comment to like Mccarthys, famously harassed and publicly humiliated officials and make claims about them without evidence. I II, the Trump playbook and shrubs. More was really call you, sir, if, where it's like it's just the the ironies so rich. It's hard to even grasp of also what Donald Trump knows about Joe Mccarthy. What what I think would be to have Donald Trump in a room and a pad and pencil. I say: write down everything you know about him, top to bottom. Give me all the facts. You've got. I think that he would not be able to maybe double. Yeah wait what did he do for money what year he knows nothing he was study study, Joe Mccarthy Universe, hasn't studied anything since he was very Frederick Douglass is both they're, both getting more well known, MIKE Evans, brother yeah. So anyway, Trump's reaction was typical, Trump and then-
His lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, went on the Sunday shows and just crushed it for his client and a back and forth on meet the press with these Chuck Todd about whether Trump should meet with Miller for an interview as well as them talk about the exposure truck, might have to perjury charges. Rudy said truth, isn't truth, which, just you know, check to started laughing and it's ridiculous, but also every time of the truth is a true thing. Rudy also lied dozens of times about the investigation during interview, only some of it, which were fact checked on air love it? You were tweeting about this on Sunday, what what is Rudy rat a g on these shows, and why does that strategy sort of make him a difficult guests to interview yeah, I mean there's this
there's a fundamental problem. I'm having people like Rudy on television, you know Rudy has this vague, confusing way of speaking, but it's offered as common sense, like from a place of wisdom like the anti Chucky being crazy. I'm tired is really works. How it really works is up is down everyone stupid, but me and You know as if from a place of wisdom and strength, but of course, it's frazzled and hard to understand and an improvised and full of factually inaccurate rend. Of of the case against Donald Trump. The problem is so lying in real time is a lot easier than fact checking real time, and you know I saw that there was this big pile on I'm Chuck Todd for he should have known that the email said this is: she should have known it had been ready with that fact. Okay, you know maybe Maybe there is a place for a follow immediately right there that he shouldn't have missed fine, but let's not we shouldn't shouldn't be that officious about this 'cause. It's really hard.
Is trump people lie on television? They do it constantly an you know in print people can break something down take time show where the inaccurate are show, where the confusing kind of word maze does actually hang together, but in real time you don't just facts on the ready for a fact to be affected on television. You have to deploy it and then it has to show weakness in your opponent. Went went when someone like Chuck Todd or Jake T. Or or or John Dickerson is facing Kellyanne Conway or Rudy Giuliani or Sarah Huckabee Sanders or any of them. They have to offer a fact, and then you have to see it. That fact exposes them somewhere. I didn't understand until Trump was president that that fact and shame are are tied together. That, like facts or the carrot and shame, is the stick that if, because these people, like when you, when you throw a fact it Rudy Giuliani, he doesn't seem injured.
He doesn't seem chasing by it doesn't seem we can buy it. He just withdraws to some new generality to get out of the problem in the moment and it works because shamelessness is an incredible shield on television, because as long as you don't look weak, it doesn't look like you've lost. I get that to extent I agree that television is a medium makes that a problem, because you only have a certain number of minutes to interview someone and they can just bullshit their way through it, but I think we've also seen instances where and Chuck has done this effectively in the past and Jake has done this Jake Tapper's done this effect you sort of at some point when someone's lying to you, you throw out the script for the rest of the questions that you have for that person and you actually dig in on the one lie and keep going going going now, does it get you in the end? Like does at the end of the interview? Does Rudy Giuliani threw up his hands and say I give up he's guilty like no? That doesn't happen, but I mean what happened was you know Giuliani said to
all they knew that all they do is that a woman with a russian name is going to meet with them. They didn't know she represented the russian government. This was in reference to the Trump Tower meeting and meeting with this, the russian lawyer, and, of course they didn't know she was under the russian government, because that our name out so that was added clearly stated in an email that Don Junior tweet it out for all of us to see- so you know like when he was George Papadopoulos thing on twitter right. It's like it's, not a major error, but you do wonder if what would happen if Chuck said? No, no, no! Mister Giuliani! Of course that's not Mister mayor, that's not true! instruct the fences. Let you like it's hard to have all the facts ready like if enough on the tip your tongue, it's also hard you're doing a remote interview. We, like your piece and you can have hear them, but just like, like the truth, is in truth coming to get the bizarre sound bite, but the longer statement is sort of worse because he's going to say that if you people offer a different account of an event, it's impossible to ever know what really happened. So Trump shouldn't sit down for an interview. Isn't that little
it happens in every court case where you don't plead guilty. Rudy Giuliani was the prosecutor. What is he talking about? He like throws differ rational, big generalizations at the wall all day long? It doesn't seem well nonsense, he lost unwell or look. Let's just say it. A lot of people speculate that he drinks before a lot of evening. Interviews in like is not certainly lost a step, but does he have? This is why, though, I it is such a challenge, and I and I, and I don't like the way people just watch and wait for the so. Here's what I would've asked regionally and he goes on there. It is a blizzard. It is a torrent of bullshit. Some of it are just complete, factual inaccuracy's. Some of them are. Kind of a spurious analysis about how the law works from his experience as a prosecutor, which is sort of using like you, sort of arguing from experience in a way that
few because, like like we we wait. That's not how I understand it to be that doesn't make sense to me it's it's pure, it's pure gas lighting, but but there's something else about this too, because it is hard to fact check in real time. It is hard to deal with someone who's who's, just making shit up in in on the fly. But what I was what I was thinking about in watching these interviews is that the worst thing for host to say is not wait. Wait or wait. That's an accurate. It's I don't know so. None of these people can ever say: during an interview you my claim, I'm actually not sure. If that's accurate, something about that. Doesn't I when we come back, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back to you on that or or or they don't come back from ones that you know what I should have followed this this just to verify this claim, because we still demand that the host of these Sunday shows speak from this position of authority sitting between two equal sides, and you know I'm. Set it because the shows are based on a kind of naive but honor.
Notion about how debate is supposed to work, two people show up, they are ultimately may be biased, but but seeking the truth and come with faith in their own ideas and battling it out and they may spin, but you're there to help kind of navigate between spin and fact and help people figure out what happens at the end of this conversation, navigate the truth. When you have someone like Rudy that goes on television, it's like up is triangle. Well, it's tough. They have not updated. These shows yeah to the reality of a world in which one party is not based, in fact or truth anymore, and it's just all bad faith, all the way down right- and I do think you have to at some point the people who do these interviews. You have to ask yourself what is the purpose of having this person on what is the goal here? Is it to convey a better understanding of the issues to the american people and it 'cause? If that's the case, it's
doing so because these people are liars right, you know, so is it it's just not just to allow both sides on to both give their spend and if it's live and it's lies and we'll just move on, because then you know that that's sort of where it's at right now, right I mean it. I I I so I'm some of that is that you know the other. All these hasn't talked about like there has to be a bias towards officials from the government, the White House, on your show- and I guess that that that to me that compromise is, I, I think, you're right. I think you do have to have Kellyanne Conway on if you do have to have There had to be sanders on or or Rudy Giuliani is the President's lawyer in the middle of an incredible investigation, but it just means that the work is harder. You have to be ready for the fact that these people are not just going to spin. You they're going to lie to your face so coming attractions Michael Cohen, who the New York Times report on Sundays, under investigation for bank fraud of more than twenty million dollars, not good anyway,
other times reported that he may be indicted or charged by the end of the month. So that's something that may happen well. The month is so soon. The times reported that prosecutors are particularly interested in loans obtained by taxi businesses that he and his family owned and he's also under investigation for potential campaign, finance crimes related to arrangements made by the silence of women who alleged with had affairs with Donald, and that goes right to trump. I mean also these guys are just slosh around and money twenty million dollars for this bozo also he's so dumb and also it's so hard to make twenty million legally. This is where our friend that dumb this is where John Dean comes back John Dean again was Nixon's White House counsel. He started initially help cover up Nixon's involved in Watergate, but later cooperated. The funniest thing that happened this weekend was Michael Collins, lawyer, Lanny Davis, telling politico that he's been in touch with John Dean. Just to just to talk best practices just to see went back in the day that must make Trump's head explode. Reading that yeah,
so coding went to jail yeah, but he played that for lesser, cones out there, it looks like he could get charged an if he does he's already sent quite a few signals that he will cooperate and they do in the times reported that any cooperation deal will probably include will almost definitely include an agreement to cooperate with Muller on his investigation. Even though there are two separate issues can I say something done sure I've had a long running beef with Lanny Davis, Michael Collins Lawyer, and occurs to me now that that I'd like to offer an olive branch now I do believe that Lanny Davis represents everything, that's wrong in Washington and everything that's wrong with democratic politics. However, if, in his role as the lawyer for Michael Cohen, he helps bring down Donald Trump, I will apologize. I will praise him publicly.
Why he's getting paid yeah at some other lawyer could, on the same day I think you may I withdraw my all music moved to tell Michael calling it might be his best interest to cooperate with Robert Muller. Even if you just take a Laney with your olive branch, I think of it. How did you ever come up with? I take it back when you're sleaze, you can't win me back, but the record brought you by hobble. Are you tired of overpaying for uncomfortable contactless I have the vision of an eagle, perfect illusion do you over where your contact lenses to save money, not necessarily, but I definitely wear them, because I'm lazy, what, if I told you that you can get a fresh pair of lenses every single day for less sixty contacts for thirty three dollars, you do the math, that's barely one dollar a day. This is way more affordable than other brands. Go to hubblecontacts dot com get your first two weeks free. They can send you to an optometrist if you don't have a prescription today, the Hubble telescope is cool,
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one million dollars from the Trump tax cuts and then donated million to Paul Ryan Super PAC other These include oil companies in Wall Street types, and the best part is very few of the Super PAC ads that they are funding talk about the tax cut at all, because they know it's not popular with the rest of the base. Do you think that Sheldon Adelson gave Paul Ryan five stars when he added that tip or I mean or what my reaction to this story was like yeah, no shit right like the Coke brothers, aren't good guys. They cut these Republicans huge checks because they get 10x or return on investment, so they don't even try to hide it. I mean my favorite part. Sorry check it out online. There's a photo of this guy Corey Bliss who's, the executive director of the elitist Super PAC in the story, and it's like
and called him and said, Corey the New York Times, writing a story about how we're giving away money to fat cats and he was like honey hold. My putter. Why run down to the club and get my pink tie in my baby Blue supper jacket to pose for this photo? This guy looks ridiculous and it's like yeah. They just lean into it. They don't give a shit and it also says a lot about sort of the alliance between the Trump populist Nationalists and the rest of the Republican Party that sort of dying off right. Now, it's completely fine. It's like trump campaigns, I'm going to be a champion for working people right he's. Only legislative achievement in office is a tax cut. Trillion, plus dollar tax cut for the biggest corporations and rich people will raise the taxes on that will raise taxes on that. While he was trying to
s multiple republican politician said out loud. If we don't pass this tax cut, my donors told me their wallets are shot. Well. That's that Chris Collins, who was arrested for insider trading from the White House lawn, was caught a thing. My donors are basically saying get it down or don't ever call me again, so they get it done. They passed the tax cut, it goes to all these rich people and what do they do? They pour back into these ads to keep control the Republican Congress, but they don't advertise the tax cuts in the ads in the ads. They talk about how RON people are going to come in and and and kill your family. They talk. They talk about MS thirteen. They talk about him. Should they talk? Well, the other thing is talk about tax cuts because of the base wants it's a three step process step: one massive unpopular debt, finance tax cuts for the rich and the regulation step. Two, the rich take a tiny portion of it. They one dishonest campaign see a republican voters to go along with the program by using immigrants black athletes.
China and Democrats with the help of propaganda network step. Three slashing of public goods like education, healthcare, transit, roads, an unleashing a private else by re reading, road rules, around pollution, worker safety, corporate transparency and all the rest, and- and you know I was very angry reading it, and you know we talk a lot about the sort of dirty deal between Paul, Ryan and and Donald Trump, but it really is a that is a side deal to what this is about. Okay is ultimately that the bargain between nationalism and capitalism, and the consequence is that kind of like inequality and unfairness, an oligarchy
it sounds as if it was working it saps the bonds of society. I I really, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that in this election were trying to prove that this bargain didn't pay off for them and that saving the country depends on that being true, you know it's that doesn't occur in the process you outlined is investment in the economy or wage increases or job creation. I mean what have is stock. Buybacks are up to one trillion dollar expected to be one trillion dollars here. That's up eighty percent from this period last year, so these are not investing at all they're, not creating new jobs. They're buying shares in the company that the ceos mostly own through the workers don't own, so they make money and they can flip this talk and the way you keep it running is with a giant propaganda machine that is the key right and so part of that propaganda. Are these super PAC,
the Super PAC ads and all the political stuff they're doing. The other part is Fox NEWS and the media machine right. They are RON Brown, R, L stuff, and it is just it's very instructive that the story, the propaganda machine- tells is not how free market capitalism will cure. All the ills in the the story, they tell is that you know liberal elites, You know, leading in all kinds of immigrants and refugees to destroy the country, giant dinosaur. The fault. That's running a trade war yeah. I do think that that Democrats need to tell that story and expose that truth and just sort of be honest, What's going on, like I'm, not worried about being having called class warfare, because it's being waged on us all day every day, right, yeah that another piece that we should just mention before we move on the connects to this the times dives into how the man who has led the EPA's Clean AIR office since the fall William. Where am is also an attorney who represented a coal burning trade association. That's been pushing for these changes, the administer
is taking advantage of a failing and ethics rules that basically allows someone who was an attorney for carbon polluters to draft policy at the EPA from the inside stuff. Doesn't sound so great, No, it's not. I mean there a bunch of rules put in place that prevented you from working in an agency that you had just recently lobbied, but there essentially a loophole here for someone who is an attorney for these provisions, but this guy is the ultimate fox in the Hen house. He knows all things that need to be dismantled, for the industry Essentially, it sounds like he's been going through their wishlist during his tenure there. So again, it's like good for the times for finding the story and for covering in great detail, but all these massive decades long problems are being caused for us in terms of the environment and all these other places. While we're focused on the other,
so the example it is. It is reading the news. Is it really was the some of the most outrageous stories. I think we have seen since Trump is president, and it is so much destructive and so much more damaging than than the kind of Trump show. So what this is about is the fact that, when, when I coal plants make changes they're supposed to make sure that they adhere to rules around pollution to make sure that when they, when they modify or or or or renovate or expand at a plant, that get these plans will will abide by rules to keep the air safe that go along with I. Regulations that have changed or been expanded, plant came online. What have you- and basically, I represent. This plant is saying what you have to take our word for it in terms of the protections against pollution. We put in place that that the EPA doesn't get to approve it. The
he doesn't get to revise it and it's it'll be dangerous because it's basically a license to pollute and it's something that the EPA's own Regulate we're against it's something that the bombing inspiration was against, I there is no justification for it, except if you don't give a about the damage it does to people the years off of people's lives. That happen because coal pollution if all you care about is rewarding corporate donors and corporate interests that fund your campaign and and protect you while you're in office. The final thing that Republicans are doing here, aside from all the corruption in the Super Pacs stuff and in the propaganda that they're doing to sort of maintain power, has to do with voting. And voter suppression, and so there was some news about that. This week, Republicans are moving a plan in Georgia to close two slash, three of the polling places and a majority africanum
county officials in Randolph County was about two and a half hours south of Atlanta are moving on a plan to shutter seven of the nine polling sites there, a rural county with limited access to public transportation. The ACLU is fighting the effort and voting rights activists are getting a petition drive off the ground to fight back. So this is so blatant. What they're trying to do here and also this remind you- have Stacey Abrams who could be the first african american governor
of Georgia on the ballot. I mean it's as direct, as could possibly be yeah and Brian Camper opponent, who spent eight years of second, as Secretary of State Georgia, removing hundreds of thousands of voters from the role yeah he's the top election official in the state running for governor making is easy for himself as possible to run for governor. It is disgusting, yeah and again. This is happening specifically in states like Georgia, like Texas, like North Carolina, where the demographics are such that v. You know more people of color, of people of color, make up a higher percentage of the voting population or are an increasing percentage of the voting population, and so in order to hold
to power. Republicans are trying in every way they can to suppress the vote and make it harder for people to vote yeah. It's you know when you want to pursue massively unpopular policies that only benefit a tiny subset of the population. You have to convince a bunch of people to vote against their interest and then stop a bunch of other people from voting. Who would try to stop you? This all goes back to a God, Awful Supreme Court decision in twenty thirteen that gutted the Voting Rights ACT and this would have been prevented, but instead all these southern states that had. History of doing these kinds of things. These voter suppression tactics like voter id laws, are gerrymandering, are now allowed to enact these proposals that federal approval and that's another reason why Democrats need to vote and be motivated by Supreme Court nominations, because these are decisions that will be screwing us over four decades. The case
so crazy. This is two thousand and thirteen case and basically what happens is part of the Voting Rights ACT passed in nineteen sixty five southern states with a history of segregation anytime, you changed the voting laws. You had to seek approval from the federal government, and so therefore it prevented a lot of these other in state. From instituting Jim Crow like voted last, which they immediately put back in place. The second thing was repealed right, as part of their bills. John Roberts right. For the majority in the case said well, the country has changed since one thousand nine hundred and sixty five. You know there's as much racism. Things are fine, and so we don't need these special provisions anymore. It's good. Everything is fine and the second that they announced the case. These other states they're putting in place these voters. The logic was so I've seen logic was the Voting Rights ACT has finally stopped the very pernicious and harmful policies that the voting
Exact has stopped and therefore we no longer need the Voting Rights ACT. Just one other point about this. It's a good example. Of how racism can foster russian of everybody, because they're getting away with this, because it plays in to the racial animus that they've been using to go their base and to maintain power, but it is ultimately an effort to suppress democratic votes to prevent a democratic governor. Who would do things like expand, Medicaid and holds you know the the the powerful interest in that state accountable and the only way they can stop? This is by using the the oldest, the oldest playbook, in american politics, which is stopping black people from voting yeah, and again I mean it is this connects directly to the cabin on nomination too, because
one of the ways in which Anthony Kennedy was slightly more moderate than some of the other conservatives on the bench was in the voting rights area, and it is clear the cabinet has views that are much more that are much closer to Thomas and Roberts in this case, and a lot of other conservatives than he did Kennedy in the liberals on the court these you know a Supreme Court hands out decision like that. That's a big deal, because basically, what we're left with now is states with Democrat governors democratic legislatures, can institute things like automatic voter registry in an early voting and all the things that make voting easier, but a lot of these republican states, if they decide to do or Georgia did there's not a lot of recourse with the Supreme Court handed. You know getting the Voting Rights ACT as they did yeah. You can really. You know
we talked about, how important the midterms are. We talk about how important it is in part, because a lot of these state officials will help determine the representation in Congress in the years ahead. There is this. You talk about these stories, whether it's the EPA story and then turning over the EPA. History or the tax story, or this voting rights story, and you really do feel like we're at a tipping point where we really are running out of time, because I think people at a certain point will give up. They will give up if they see the fact that no matter what they do, that this democracy doesn't work for them, that the rules apply to them that that their vote won't matter. They won't have a chance to vote. That would be stripped of their right to vote that that these powerful interest will in the government, no matter what they do, and you just we have We have to stop them, there's no other. I I was really the. Action of her news coming not about what these people are doing really clarified that for me not that it wasn't clear before, but you know there's only so many chances will get to stop this. That's it
So it's a bummer, it is a bummer, but but we should be honest about it, because I think, for a long time we weren't honest about just how bad things had gotten and that's what to me. This was a reminder of well, they say who's, fighting the effort, they can get a petition drive, they might be able to stop it, which is good, Absolu this one course, so I was advised to stop this. Of course, I'm just saying that, like this gets a that's all we and we didn't even mention the the firing the White Nationalist Conference attending speechwriter on Friday. In case you don't think that there's enough stories about not usually a lot of ways- and this is the only post referencing earlier yeah, the only the only way National Conference White House employees are allowed to attend are in the eastern but once again one way to stop this in this election and to take over not just Congress, but state houses across the country is to vote vote vote and you know going back to vote, save America
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On the pot today is Jahana Hayes. She is the credit nominee in Connecticut's, fifth congressional district. If she wins the general election, she will be the first african American Democrat to ever represent Connecticut in Congress Johanna well pod save America hi thanks. So much for having me thank you for being here you were the national teacher of the year in twenty. Sixteen. So, first of all, congratulations to you. That is a remarkable achievement. My question to you, if you were President Trump's, undivided attention in your classroom for a day. What course would you teach him? I think probably the same thing I teach my students to be of service to people you know, invest in your community and treat people. You know, dignity and respect. It's one of the things
I always put at the forefront of every lesson. You know to develop deeper understandings of each other. You know so that collectively we could be better, and I don't see that happen lot yeah. Another thing I read the used to teach was come kindness and compassion in your classroom in it, and I love that guy. I think it's important. Do you think that kindness is teachable in other places outside the classroom like. Could you teach it in Washington because it feels like political policies in debate? are really suffering because of a lack of empathy and that's certainly a problem that predates Donald could you bring that lesson plan with you down to DC? If you win, I think Chintan needs that you know it. We are at a critically important time where I think cover needs to be reminded that your job is to represent people You know what the bottom line. You really need to understand how policies that are drafted affect the people in our community.
And what I learned as a teacher, I went as a history and civics teacher. Never thinking that. Is necessary and I realized very quick it doesn't matter how much students even if they don't know what to do with that information. If they have no desire to help other people, you know, then all of that information is useless. An it worked. You know my and started to thrive when they realize that this is so much bigger than me, and I think government could use that yeah. I agree with you on the it seems, like your students, have really have taken a lesson put into action, be as I was reading about how many of your former students supported you and volunteered for you. What does that mean for you as a teacher, to see a kid who used to have in the classroom in your campaign office? You know making call and what you think it's as a generation of of kids that are sometimes died, dismissed, as you know not paying attention to the world in just on their phones or what what does it say about them? I mean
my young people were unbelievable. They were the game changers in this campaign. You know from the time between the primary and the day I announced it was just a short one hundred in two days: no money. I had no network, you know I had no call list. I had no political clout, but I had all of these young who came in for very different reasons. You know. And demonstrate it what we had practiced in class. So many times you know my staff, very small. I had six paid staff and about seventy young people who came every day and I laughed people say young kids, not engage they're, not involved, they don't vote and my response give them a reason, because they I mean use social media in a way that really change the right of my campaign really helped me to open the door to young people came in and said, I've never done this before, but teach me how to engage and pretty much. I think what the difference was. I
Let them be involved in a meaningful and purposeful way. You know whatever their gift was. I said, let's figure out how to work and use that on this campaign you know they aren't seen. As you know, subordinates are aids. They were in leadership roles. One of the frustrating things about the Trump era is that policy debates seem to take a backseat to all the other stuff that that, during the day, you know fifty trump tweets whatever might be. Given your experience teaching what changes would you make to the to cation policy that you like to see implemented. If you get elected well, I think education is very important to me. You know it it. We really need to see it as an investment in our future. You know when I say that it doesn't just mean more money. It means looking at it as important one of the things that I from being in my classroom. You know so much of it. Chin is geared towards posts.
Education and test scores, and I have so many students who are not interested in going to college. We really have to meet the needs with our changing economy and make sure that students are career ready. You know, offer different choices and multiple pathways to success. You know they this conversation. Now that school prepares you for and that's the only way to be successful, and there are so many young. We have more students, graduating high school and less entering college, you know and and that type of work needs to be seen as valuable. I think another thing that is very important is: to make sure we cover the entire spectrum. We need to make sure that children early childhood education, You can definitely tell the difference when you have a student who was later to education formally, you know who didn't have those social skills and those phonemic scales they come and it's almost like they never catch up. When we talk about the spectrum
I think what this administration is failing to do is really nice that we have to meet. Regions where they are. You know I teach public education get students, no matter who they are. They come in with all of their needs. All of the challenges of their gifts, an we have to be prepared to leave them, whether that is special education, whether that is talented and get education, whether that is regular? location, bilingual education, but we have to have make sure we're servicing the needs of all students and make sure that teachers are prepared for that. You know that our teacher preparation programs are adequately training teachers to meet the challenges that they're going to face in the class I would be remiss if I didn't say community colleges a person who started in a community college. You know it was almost baby for me to get to where I was- and I think so many of our young people would benefit you know from pro comes in community colleges, yeah agreed,
you've talked about a lot of the life experiences you bring to this job. You talked about you know your experience in community college, you've talked about living in public housing. You've experienced homelessness, you've been a single mom. Do you think you know you can bring those experiences to bear to help. Can I could voters is help you connect, and do you think that that the Democratic Party has been hurt because It hasn't been better connected with with people affected by those issues and by the policies you're discussing. I absolutely I believe that my life experience can help me to connect, but it's not just that. You know the totality of those experiences frame. Decision making like I know what it was experience. All of those different phases in my life I've learned and what I think was evident when you look at the king. Is where I want in the primary. So many people are experiencing the same things. You know because I grew up in an urban center. You know in
He doesn't mean that I had the monopoly on poverty. We have some rural communities where people are experiencing the exact same thing have many working families who are living paycheck to paycheck and I really want to make that all of their voices are included. In the conversation an I think that as a party, We fallen short of that now. We have this huge gap where It's almost like there's this emergence of all these new groups of people and what I'm saying is they've always been there. You know in shame on us for not engaging them sooner and hearing them and listening to them and and making sure they felt included because now we wouldn't have you know these abrupt shifts that are happening now, right hopeful, One of the the big stories out of the twenty eighteen mid terms will be that there are more women and people of color serving in Congress and in state level elected offices across the country.
You had never run for office before you decided to run this time. What made you take the plunge and what advice do you have for other people who might be listening? Who are thinking about turn their hat in the ring. Well for me, you know I looked at my students. I looked around me and I've always helped in the, I've always done things incrementally and try to touch people one time I realized you know the last couple years. I don't want to use the term trade. It because I'm not doing this because I'm frustrated I'm doing it, because I think when regular people, if I want my voice, be represented, and I don't being represented. Then I need to be the one to do it. You know be the change you wish to see. I was always telling my students be part of the solution. If you don't like happening figure out a way to be a part of the solution, and I think I'm at a point where I have to take my own advice and one of the things in my
campaign. You know in my ad there's this line where I say: if Congress starts to look like us, no one can stop us and just what you said. This is a representative democracy and it is truly representative. People should be able to find everybody represented. You know: mothers, teachers, farmers, working class people, old young veterans conservate you know progressive the only way to to have true solutions and problem solving is for all of those voices to be represented at the table so that when we finally come up with an answer we can we've considered all of the people in this community, and this is something that everybody can agree on that can happen if people aren't even at the table no and- and we really have to do a better job of that making sure everyone feels like this government includes them. That is a great message now. What one last question for you there's been a contentious debate:
Crooked media about Connecticut Pizza in terms of it shine love? It had some very harsh words for Connecticut Pizza If you have. You have message for John another kind of a pizza haters out there that you that you want to leave us with you're not going to like my answer. Please first of all can etiquette is the best pizza, but there is a family owned. The shop in Waterbury called Dominic Empea. Then it's like the best they've been there for fifty years and it's no slight to sallies or pepes. But from Waterbury, is Dominic and piers. Ok, one other question: why does every town in Connecticut and with berry there's water Danbury Canterbury Middlebury, I mean the list litter really goes on, and I did you guys just run out of names like what happened here. I think so, let's keep it simple, keep the simple we had other things to do like sorry, we had other things to do like come up with the comp.
Is on the constitution, so we don't waste our time. You know name in town, all right, a concise, honest answer, that's a great place to leave it Johnny. Thank you so much for doing the show. If, if people want to learn more about your campaign, where should they go? I have a website John, I Hays dot com and on social Yeah Johanna, hey CT and again I have this tremendous social media team that saturates, you know, Digital with all of our information everything our campaign? Does we do a lot of education, I do civics chats and teach people. You know how to register how to get involved, how to fill out an absentee ballot that really propelled my campaign because I taught people how to engage
no and and that really translated on election day, people were turned away from the primaries and they know go to the registrar asked for the moderator you know ask for provisional ballot, so education was a huge part of my campaign and we try to do that digitally as much as we can. So I encourage people to go check us out and John Hayes dot com or John ACT on social media. Alright, everyone follow at J, on a hazy t on Twitter right Now- and I just verified today right on the ground in the blue checked, and I have a real person JANET. Thank you so much for doing it. I'm gonna follow you right now, thank you and I'm excited about
your campaign. I can't wait. I'm excited too, it's unbelievable to see that you know when, when people come together and elevate, their voices that it matters- and it means something, I think that's such a valuable lesson for all of these young students who invested in this campaign to see it come to fruition. I think these will be engaged voters for life. As a result of this experience, that's awesome. Also. Everyone should watch the Youtube of your teachers year award then with President Obama, because you know that just a half hour of pure joy still makes me smile just thinking about it. I think it made him smile. Do all right. Well, thank you. So much to do the so and and best of luck. Thank you. Thank you have a great day, thanks again to John Hayes for joining us today, and and you know we'll talk to you guys, I'm thinking I was too negative people. I think people gotta get out there and vote, or else that is the That will happen yeah. I think it's okay. People in on their stomach. Sometimes I think Joanna
we just heard was very inspiring all so I them to the interview feeling down and then we good came out, and now you brought it back down again I'm not bring them down again. I'm just commenting- and you know between now and Thursday. Maybe they'll be a Manafort verdict. It could be happening right now we're having right now. We just don't know alright. Everyone country by.
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