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billy choosing allow these truth in his ass off its trump truth that Mcconnell support for the Democrats. Continuing resolution to fund the government means that he has a death wish in quote must immediately seek help and advice from his chair loving wife, coco chow, which is trump's racist, nickname for former trump transportation secretary Elaine Chao, some econol and most republicans have said nothing in response, though sen rick Scott was asked about. The comment during the sunday shows here's what he said: you're a member of the senate, t o p leadership. Are you ok with us well, then I can ever talk about responded why anybody says what they said, but here's. What is why I looked out it is, I think you know what the present say and, as you know, we ve there's been a lot of money spent the last two years. We ve got to make sure we don't keep.

haven, t them practice cause an unbelievable inflation causing more more debt. As you know, the present like likes to get people nicknames. You can ask you how we came up with, im sure he has a nickname for me. It's never ever okay to be a racist and it's you know that I think you always have to be careful. You know if you're in the public eye how you, how you say things you want to make sure you're inclusive. I hope no one is racist, no one says anything, that's inappropriate. So I might do everything I can do I know this is down the list here, but you like the birds chirping in the back. I mean he's just dissembling online. If I did here's the thing, look, I think it's.

based on this club that I want Mitch Mcconnell to be murdered less than wreck scott does- and I think this specially troubling, because if re, if someone does follow what trump wants and trump does want, someone to try to kill Mitch Mcconnell, if that does end up happening, it's even worse for wrecked scott now, because this clip of fucking exist. What about what you said? silver tongue, though no wonder they made him the spokesman for the sea. You know I just have to do. Put that only one point: five acts as good as Again. This is low on the list of problems with that, but just like yet rick Scott, he should be the public faced. The republican party

let him out more than us? It's not room. I want more rick scott from the republican party and the quick, no two rick staff when that presumptive nominee and former president of your party threatened to kill the minority leader of your own parties by prep. That answer, but then answer tat lay a couple rubbing his that might become might come up. That might be a question. Are you guys will surprise that elected republicans couldn't bring themselves to criticise their parties twin, money for front runner for threatening there're, sir minority leaders, life and calling his wife racist slur? No surprise. Sadly, now I think this all goes back to twenty. Sixteen the primary when we watch Marco rib oh flail around and try to make dick jokes and then ted cruz called trumpet sniffling power for criticising wife and then found bank for him a few weeks later so I these guys have all decided just never pick a public flight because they know trump go harder and will never stop. So look Mcconnell? Doesn't care really pray about? He went discovered defending his wife. He doesn't care about his honour or looking emphatically wants power and lobbyists checks in disport can

It's so will help sent republicans, and I expect nothing from these guys. What do you think they're being so? What would have been the problem from arising? No, I I don't think that it was a good idea for the president to say that I have a death wish and I don't like that. He called my wife. A racist That's a you know. It was gonna happen then, well. I I feel like they band, and so the to do. That, obviously, is because some trunks reprehensible as also just that you know most natural thing. Natural response when someone threatens, threatens your life there are many other ends, rely elopement calls your way: vocational epithets at your family, yeah you'd, think but look I dunno if you've noticed permission caused a pretty cynical guy and I feel like if you're, going to rationalize the amount of things these people have rationalized over the past six years. What's one more time- and you know they know that fight with trump it won't. It won't change. Trump it'll make the story bigger and

seriously they care more about getting back to focusing on bullshit crime related political. Tax for immigration, related political tax or anti trans related political attacks. They rather get back that would have a new cycle about trump in his awful rhetoric, because they sort of accepted that this is the status quo ante with tromp. They have no hope of changing it. the only thing they're, afraid of is being on media, the losing end of it. I do like the washington post report on the story and the way they described. It was just perfect the postmarked, a further escalation in an increasingly strained relations. between the two republics and can I also also like you know he he did try to have my pants hanged outside the cap. I know I know they're sort of you know. This is not it's not a new escalation it just that this is his natural resting place. At this point, a media, though, in the wall street journal editorial board, said they were concerned that someone might take trump seriously and

try to kill Mitch Mcconnell. Yet this is not. Our aim is a right wing editorial board and not only where they concern. Look there there for the wall street journal at a troll board. There are two big problems: one is somebody may kill Mitch Mcconnell and the other is established from their midterm message. They actually like trump shouldn't, be threatening mitchell, connell's life. He should be out there campaigning for these republicans for deregulation, threatening a Democrat, so risk up. Also asked about marjorie taylor greens comments at this weakens trump railing michigan, where she said. I am not going to mince words. Democrats want republican, dead and they ve already started. The killings near times just ran a piece on political violence, where Susan Collins was quoted is and I wouldn't be surprised if a senator or house member were killed. What do you guys think about that? Do you think it's important to highlight these threats? Is this a yeah? I mean like the the fact that the had to do like a trend. Peace on this does show that we have the memories of goldfish in politics like member the insurrection that happened last year, but I mean I think my

retail green is a genuinely stupid person. She she's seized on lots of conspiracy theories that are wacky. The jewish space, yours, you and I, like broken brain facebook group stuff the allegations here. So people now seem to be baseless. There. Clearly, baseless at their sons, are broader fight against republicans from Democrats, but even individual cases, she's referencing, like there's a north dakota man who was drunk had mental health issues, hit someone with their car there's. No. There's no evidence of a political motive michigan, shooter, says, use an accident and apparently he's a republican or as voted republican primary, so just made up not to It is incredibly dangerous, though, is we ve seen how the great replacement theory is lead to violence? We see language about quoting quote white genocide in the way that is motivated, some really disturbed people and I think,

Even an idiot like mtv can convince other people that their at risk or under threat and inspire them to do things and tromp has also been talking about this north Dakota. In it at some of his rallies too. So I think this stuff is is pretty, should take it seriously. It scares me a lot There is also an asymmetric increase of like apocalyptic messaging. On the democratic, either the longer a post, a piece about that over We cannot say the same thing, but you know you can to see how the size get urban further apart and we, like you, know back in the day after elections. You'd, do this. Reverend everyone involved says: okay. Now we need to come together. What sort of like put these fights aside, that you had not happened in the last half decade or more, and it scare love it? Right wing political violence is rising right wing. Political extremism is rising, we've already had a series of mass shootings that were based in right wing hate

misinformation and bigotry will probably be more. It is, I think, luck that a member of congress wasn't on January six. It is luck that others haven't been killed so far. And you know trump doesn't care, he views. It is useful. It's why he enjoys the support of cuban on he likes that he has the backing of the most radical and dangerous elements of the right wing free. and the fact that the even The supposedly serious parts of the republican party are too afraid to speak out against it mean that all the signalling and all the rhetoric and all Extremism is, could untempered and not being kind of and led to the republican party are doing enough to signal to the base and beyond that. This is unacceptable and not part of their movement, and so they're playing with fire and and we live in a day

country and its only gonna get worse news, love guns, I mean there wasn't say: not only are they not signalling that it's? That is unacceptable this american progress didn't analysis identified a hundred and four political ads from republicans this cycle that feature guns or weapons in the ass. We talked about some of these, on this shows and Eric right into an rhino hunting and one is adds a kicked out of doors or even for rhino borders. There's like whole families holding you know a K. Forty seven in a christmas car kind of thing that bullshit look. I think that we have to keep talking about this, because it is easy to get them to this too. at about it. Like you said we are. Our memories are too short on this. I was when I was talking to the voters in pittsburgh for the wilderness asked about. You know what issues the media covers too much in a lot of them tucked by january. Six- and I said well, are you? Are you not worried that something like that could happen again in a couple of people, Well, it's just an isolated incident right like it's just a one off and it seems like that could happen any time, but that's not like a real trend

I hope so. You read that that new york times story. It's like you know, Pramila Jayapal, has a guy with a gun outside of her house like screaming things in this. Is that the members of congress that to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on- security because of death threats and more likely that you will be threatened if you're a person of color or a woman in elected office yeah I mean, I think they had warnock had spent like nine hundred thousand dollars since twenty twenty one and security is a plot to kidnap gretchen whitmer, which her opponent tutor dixon recently joked right. Unlike in then the twenty eighteen mid term, even before january, six member, the pipe bombs at it were sent out in giving this is it's. It's been since twenty. Sixteen specifically when trump I you know, came down that fucking escalator. It has been on the rise yeah, and I do think that you know the way this is plant. The way this works now is you have the the most extreme members of the republican party with platforms, kind of spewing,

stuff out into the world and what is scary, what's dangerous about this- is they kind of excite this radicalized base that reaches the The subset of that radicalized base is willing to do political violence is going to take what people like empty g and trump say to its logical conclusion, and am basically it puts our political, system in those peoples hands, because at any moment those people can decide. Today is a day That we're gonna have a violent episode in this country. Today is the day that I'm gonna be in charge of the news like today's the day, we're gonna random acts of violence and that kind of like stochastic terrorism, These people are inspiring and pumping into the world means adjust. It did its destabilizing, it's dangerous and That's it also makes me one. I want to be involved in politics like why on earth were you run for office to have some not job shop? Your house

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constant Mandela barnes has lost his lead overrun johnson is now trailing by about two points. Just for reference. Democrats need to win at least two of these races to hold the senate. If they lose three, they lose the Senate more most likely. What do you think is happening here? I why these republican candidate and better tommy I think it's probably a a bunch of different factors like some of it is probably just kind of mean reversion like we live in a divided country. The numbers are going to move around, but ultimately these races are gonna be tight and you know even when these polls were shown, the fishermen team up ten like they will be the first ones to tell you we ain't when, in this race by ten you now they're like there's no chance of that. I do think but it s, polls that we saw over the summer came when the dogs decision was fresh and when people are really focused on unconcerned about abortion rights. Yet those headlines fade. Hopefully the concern about that risk has not gone away, but it's out there. I think people are

They didn't. The news cycle has moved on, and people were, I think, probably feeling a little better about gas prices consistently falling. There is a better economic sentiment and then you know Mitch. Mcconnell super PAC has just been hammering candidates for weeks now that they they've been hitting them on. Crime. There eating mandela Barnes on on bail, getting rid of cash bail such by hurting their approvals. Binds number so aren't great like the right track. Wrong track, aren't great. The stock market was creating until yeah, basically so we'll see. I also have zero faith that the pulsars have figured out how to deal with these response bias as use, but that's another conversation right and that that could be what was going on with some of those polls in the summer. Yeah well around the division, love it. What do you think's gonna yeah? The other thing going, the only thing I'd add tommy missed was the dobbs decision also was paired with a series of legislative victories for Biden.

I gather it was this in a moment that I think Democrats have felt really energized and like acutely focused, and you know we always knew that there would be the republicans will turn out their base. Republicans will have a huge huge number and I think the polls are bearing that out now. So I think the challenges that the the fundamentals of this election are still you know every single voter I talked to when I asked like what are the issues most concerning to you, inflation right and now gasp the most like sensitive measure of inflation, but for promoting these people talk to housing kept coming up. It was just exactly ass, really can't afford my rent, and I am I never think of them. I think I'm never to be able to live in my own are not able to afford a home and for people who don't follow politics closely, its and I'm blaming the party in charge. Now these we will also brought up that they were angry about dobbs. You know, but

the thing. That's always on their mind. Every single day is, can I make the rent? Can I pay my bills and I think that's working against net to go race by race, I'd say like in pennsylvania. Some of these polls, like you said, tell me they never thought they were gonna win by ten, the fetterman folks. Some of the polls just show basically oz. Solid, aiming republicans yeah right. So that's why he's sort of moving now is always gonna happen there I was gonna come up now he has heard about the the scandal rock the polling nerd world which one could have given us has to do with the gang at trafalgar, no fairly Someone on twitter notice that their response rates in their poles across states and demographics are always the same, which is very weird, Usually they vary from pole to pole or across different demographic groups. So, like do you need ten thousand people to reach one hundred dean to call fifteen thousand people to reach one hundred I could can vary dramatically in some outlet called a split ticket dot. Org wrote it up. so they found that the trafalgar response rate was almost always identical. It was between one point, four three and one point forces

don't know what that means at all, but that was not the case in their twenty sixteen pulling their own marked hostile. Should they be scandal, excuse impulse. We gotta get some nathan. You wanna do some you this. What our rapporteur that isn't it isn't the real scandal that all of these pulsars now are trying to figure out how to Paul, and so they get some terribly small sponsor aid and then just adjust the numbers to some expectation. Nor party registration or some model for what they think the electoral will look. look like so in rio. The model is dictating the outcome of the pole and not the poor model. yeah. I know who you're you're here, yeah, no matter what you're guessing on turnout at some point and that's what's going to that's, what's going to sort of influence your poll more than anything else, which is why we don't take individual

pause, pulsar snapshots in time and they're, not always all that accurate. The trends of poles are usually more accurate, unhelpful and so, and that's the domination wareham there's not a measure of noticing that the trend is getting a little tight, a little enabling trends, but europe s. I think not money on crime attacks, especially that's been hurting feder, and barnes a little bit and then in georgia. Georgia's a case where there's just very few swing. Voters left in that state, and rough. Your warnock is going to have to hit and the same thing. The stacey, abrams they're gonna have to make sure that the electorate and the being thirty percent black and that they get really high black turn out, and it was really hard to do that and they scattered all kinds of records in the Senate run off in twenty twenty one, but take to repeat that

and is, is very, very tricky, so that's gonna be close and then in nevada talk about like places where the pandemic hit the economy hard like nevadas one of the hardest hit states because of the tourism industry. There in housing has been a disaster there for a long long time, and so you have you, no quarter master sort of struggling as the incumbent there, and it's a lot of independent voters and about as to also an she's, unfortunately not running against someone like master on out or oz or ron Johnson who, on the honor on a daily basis or herschel walker, that, on a daily basis, are saying something embarrassing ridiculous.

terrible such is not getting the same level of attention. Yeah, no doubt at all, which is ridiculous because, like Adam laxalt embraces the big lie and as a big trump guy, but it's all relative at this point now right: it's not the it's, not the same level of gaps coming out a vicious, not getting the same same level of attention in into the veteran folks have just done a good job of like making adds that our care fun go supervisor. Another they're closing message seems to be focusing on the fat doktor oz is a snake oil salesman and he sold like bogus miracle cures, two people to make money for himself and fold since that broader message about how he can't represent pennsylvania wellbeing He does not care about. You doesn't even live anywhere near you charms. We talk about the dogs to Early. Listen. This guy did bunkers instead evil testing on animals its. I it's the worst I haven't read it: there is a whistle blower at it was there was a

port today that a whistle blower basically said that, like as part of the research he was conducting, there are a lot of dogs that were terribly mistreated. and the details are horrific, horrific! Yes, sir He was a colombia colombia ended up tat. Cutting ties with us over, like three hundred dogs were killed in its just its. They was hard. read the story and violated the animal welfare act and obviously like I don't want to be. You know, listen this gross, don't read it! It's it's pretty sport, bedroom, it's interesting watching georgia to be as warnock I mean I think, he's clearly going to try to keep disqualifying hershel walker and boy. If you need more information to do that, like I'm a little worried about you but walker as listening as reading,

some stuff in a jc, and walker apparently seems to be worried about his lack of support from republican voters, so he's kind of tacking to the right in the closing months. He said, like the other day said, Jesus might not recognize you when you get to Heaven if you're a transgender person like crazy shit, he also endorsed lindsey graham's fifteen week federal abortion ban. he's been criticising. Medicaid expansion, whereas warnock is still taking a much more traditional campaign path, saki about bi partisanship, working with ted crews. On things, tommy reveal the interesting thing that happened recently at the white house. That press aggravate into the question whether Lana braves should change their name, which is like kicked up de completely predictable culture, ward debate I think, is probably not at all what warnock or stacy abrams wants me talking about in the closing weeks. So you know that

it is very much in flux. You'll. Let me ask what what are you guys think democratic? Can it should be doing to fight back right now? The Senate candidates like how much europe are these final weeks about disqualifying your opponent, verses, making a positive case for yourself tommy you brought up warnock like when I was in atlanta with those voters. I I sat with a group of young black voters, hoop club identified as moderate democrats, and they had all heard all the bad shit about herschel walker they're, like he's crazy, he's, crazy him and then like, but I feel like all I hear from more nox campaign is how bad he is, and I don't know what warnock would do, and it's always this tough balance right, because you want people to know how bad herschel walker's, how bad doctor oz's how bad all these candidates are bert the same

and like how do you balance that, with you know, the need to have a positive agenda? Love already thing yeah! It's it's also especially challenging when you're talking about RON Johnson when talking about doctor oz when you're talking about herschel walker, when it's not just that, you obviously need to drive this negative message along with your own positive message for your campaign. It's that every day aids, new fodder, new negative fodder about your opponent. That you do think is useful. While you still have to do this other work finding a way to get your positive message out there to like you know, the washington post comes out with a story today were hearing as yesterday walking through all the different ways doctor. Oz who spent years drifting and selling just completely debunked weight loss. Medicine alzheimer's, medicine, cancer, medicine just to make money? You obviously want to drive but how do you get it back to?

The do on voting rights. What veteran wants to do to protect abortion access? I think that's that's been the challenge fur. Last five years of dealing with these radicalized kind of goofy candidates. It's you have to find ways to drive your positive message to yeah, I'm a guy. I think they all are going to be case by case they're, all going to have researched they're all going to know what seems to work. What drives democratic voters, what may turn off republican voters so I'll probably know their own that what they think is a win. Amber how many voters they need to turn out to win the election and how many voters they think thereupon needs to turn out oars currently on track to turn out so you'll make decisions, Accordingly, I don't know the right balance. I do think it's gonna be is gonna, be case by case It was more like a doctor as or her full walker. You ve a lot more to work with probably emphasising that an awful or at least you know, the super packs it so

banned in the last month of a campaign are going to do it for you yeah. Do you think some of the ads and end up being most effective are not purely positive or purely negative, but like comparative ads, and so with someone Dr Oz, they have now done a fantastic job. Framing him as this out of touch weirdo is a grifter, and so you say that he's that and that and he's going to, then you know vote for these policies in the senate that are also out of touch and whereas John fetterman is going to fight for working people by doing X, Y and z, know, and I do think, even in the latest poll in pennsylvania that has fetterman only up by three years. Forty five, forty two- he still has an advantage. Fifty one twenty nine for best understands concerns of pennsylvania Even though oz now has an advantage on policies that will improve voters. Economic circumstances, thirty, nine, thirty, two! So it's interesting that they still think federal.

On their side, but they're the reason they think that, as there's a little bit of a backlash to all the jersey stuff, I think, if you were like I, you know you talk about him being from jersey all the time. What are you gonna do for us like? Okay, fair but hey you remember the jersey thing, it's an effective campaign strategy. The other piece of that is that the oz campaign is launching a bunch of negative attacks against fetterman, severely unfair kind of fear mongering on crime for exam when they have to find ways to push back on that. Without giving into that, and I think they've really tried. The federal campaign has tried to really not be defensive, to kind of find ways to talk about veterans record and wants him what he wants to do on criminal justice reform was kind of brushing back some of the more outrageous assertions that these are that these super pac ads in these ads are making the person who did his best in twenty twenty. Was warnock yeah he. Yet there were backed dogs again you, the out of him like walking a little beagle. It wasn't actually has been worked really well. He too Are you like? I don't eat pizza with a fork

for something you're, just like kind of campi fun stuff, like they're gonna, try to demonize me I am just a regular human being. I have a pet shares, the pitch. We get somebody who, in scrubs kind of who's mental, look like DR oz and we put them in front of a wheat thresher and have them put puppies into it, and then we ll just house than we just have federal like it. I didn't write you're gonna have to thresher just being like object. Abortion access all I'll, protect voting rights like I believe in decriminalizing marijuana. You know they don't go and pay me turn off the pot gas and I think it, although viral, it is, I think, I'll go by. I agree with you on that. I mean that members. Everyone did that merwin there is, that add, were on where Paul ryan pushing old person off a cliff and they were really upset. you know you remember it for that. You remember it without having din dan created that at all

generally happier or no. The twitter ratios must be working because one of the natives out with a take about how it's time to take dammit its chances in the how seriously great I would go that theoretically may come, argues that republicans are still favoured, but that redistricting didn't give them a significant step. Real advantage and the limited house pulling, we do have shows extremely close races, so Democrats could pull it out with a few lucky breaks. Love We think it needs. Take you buy it. First of all, so, which the two takes mine, I'm not. This is actually not credit. Not critical of the take its did sits a fire in an end, dom folsom take let it exists. I guess it is sort of that the whole point of it is saying that is actually not that much pulling up Did your house races and when points he makes in the peace is that we pull senate races much more than we do how's raises. Some of those centre races has shown positive signs for democrats. Therefore, if we had this, not of house raise polls. Maybe we would she be seeing the same positive signs,

None of us believe the centre raise pulse. So all take away from this article? Is we can win? since then it we can lose them both anything beyond. That is two specific to be to be predicted, now's the time of year when everyone make sure they ve written articles taken each side of an issue. So you can point seven after the fact, I'd like to make sure we do that before november. Someone write that down and what is very hard, I think, for all of us to political junkies to internalize, because we pay such close attention to this stuff and the stakes are so high- is that most of these elections could go either way. They could be decided by events that haven't happened yet The outcome could be different if it was a week or two weeks earlier re laughing twenty. Sixteen, if that Presidential was a week after the excess hollywood tape. I think Hillary Clinton would have been president, but it wasn't in that sort of like maddening to try to come to grips with so we'll see you know they had an end. Most people aren't like us there

political news, junkies who made up their minds one way or the other either which party their voting for which canada four or whether they are going to vote at all my biggest anxiety is around gas prices in the face that saudis and opec are now cutting production to keep prices stable, an elevated awe and stop in the precipitous decline that we had seen, because you know we're going into a recession that is very worrisome to me yeah. Well, that's something that we can't control well I'll. Tell you one thing they want. They ask us. I am earlier today look, I'm I'm honored pennsylvania right now talking to people and what was that for those of you can send a walla, nothing and I I was I was a I was I I I was talking to people at some sort of a market I dunno, where people buy, produce or something

now. For me, a comes fully in a salad already, so I don't know I've never seen some of these vegetables. It's your sweet cut; no, no! No! That is as a very large a supermarket. I get have lots of. Aren't vegetables but separate little areas for each one, not as old, salad bar independently and ever? like, I don't know what to do there, but by asking a question, and they were basically they they hated master pastrana, but they were. Actually undecided about veteran versus oz, and then I told him about the dog thing and I was effective. People do not, caring about the dog thing, they don't it's so I'm going to say this thing is going to really matter, especially with the booth will cook most normal people who don't pay close attention to politics, but they hear that they're like wait, a minute that doesn't sound good on the internet. I don't want that candidate as ever the evil that only like futterman. They said the dog thing wasn't surprising to them about doktor us, which I think is a really said.

The thing about doctor oz's, personal friends cause you kinda, just read as a sociopath on the house issue. I thought the just to get your head around what it takes for the Democrats to win the house like the new york times and september second, had a very helpful interactive chart that was based on the cook political ratings so like. If both parties win every district, where they're currently favored democrats would have one hundred and ninety one seats, republicans would have two hundred and thirteen and there will be thirty one toss ups. So you need to eighteen to win the house right. So in that scenario, republicans only have to win five toss. Ups Democrats have to win twenty seven now is that possible? Well, that's! Basically what republicans did in twenty twenty and, of course, democrats kept the house, but we were a we

little surprise that we didn't do better to instil it's possible, but that just goes to show you how tricky it is for democrats to pull the inside straighter but when possible, but I of course that's possible, but like another way to say that is if it does turn out that we retain a senate and the house It will mean that there is an underlying trend that we just didn't see you that, like all those areas, the so yeah I merely having georgia's, can be some of the most interesting example of this kind of happening simultaneously, where its clear that stacy abrams is really betting on high, democratic turn out. A more motivated democratic base based on the dobbs decision and warnock, is doing more of our work, with all parties kind of by partisan approach to try to reach them we'll see which works, we're gonna get. I they then issue both the both of the needs of both but did even have emphasized one in the clothes and added clearly there's a distinction there,

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interviewing you? It's just like people, don't That's what you're like the but you're like a member of our friend group, his family, but that he will put here on the pot. I don't talk to anybody more than you guys and I dont get ever get to see whether these digs are amazing by the way. Thank you, but I think you're. The first summit did the party was like the fifth or sixth whatever, and you are still renting radio space we were yeah. We were some some random radio place now we're here now we're here. Look at this! Alright, so you wrote this book to like, pay out there. The electric you'll come in newgate debate about remote work. Could he cody tell us what the premise of the book in and how you landed on writing about these ten days, in the white house of all the days you were there, which we should say we're. All eight years too as a man who last won in two days- yeah, okay, you're, not you're, you thought when you were counting and so grace, about ten days in june. Twenty fifteen that are book ended by the massacre in charleston in a black church and brought about eulogy in charleston racing amazing grace

and in between you also had this kind of extraordinary series of events. Were the supreme court was going to say, on obamacare and whether or not millions people got to keep their insurance and marriage equality, whether non millions of people would be seemed second class citizens are able a merry like the rest of us after the shooting, the confederate flag start coming down republic spaces in the south and All this happens every span of ten days and was like all these kind of great unanswered questions about america were coming to the fore in this said, exhausting, celebrating way and you were in their just writing so many versions of all of these. That's my thereby like five speeches about one supreme court case, given all the different possibilities, as before you were there and twelve one way to do this. The first time I was in room for an a sham decision sweden prepare speeches for what, if the springboard says, no there's not a right to merge quality, if courts as now, olive you're, losing your health insurance right away and those are pretty bleak and then

background were deciding whether or not to write a eulogy. So your book made me deeply miss the white house, Barack Obama, all of our former colleagues. It also made me deeply grateful that I'm not a speech writer any anymore. I was like tired reading what you went through that weak weren't you hired exciting, delivering great armies of how drafts all the people that the committees of people giving you the fucking it's very yeah, it's anxiety, provoking and just the fact that its never over till it over you know, No, what's gonna happen when you handed in us. Why wasn't heart the thing that really comes out of me. I remember this from you guys the isolation because we all went home at eight or nine o clock at night and you as just sat there at your desks all night long until the thing was done till the sun came, Sometimes yet sometimes I go home tommy. I lived together for a few years and above I'd like to club, it's made his right hand.

When I moved to hollywood- and there are few things more depressing when I'd be working at our dining table and Tommy's coming down in the morning, cause he's awake and honestly he's just like. Oh no yeah, you're right You develop a really healthy relationship el floating as a speechwriter too horrible. feeling, but really reminding me, that's what's its there is it that there is a part about being. I swear it. Where we were way, don't speak. There is not about a highly when taken other asthma cynthia by, but there's this part of it. That, I think is hard to describe, which is. Politics is a lot of hard nosed decisions, even policy, it's a lot of like its numbers, its math, its politics, its it's it's thirty minute meetings, its people moving really fast in trying to figure things out and then there's this than their speech writing which sits inside of it that doesn't exist. In thirty minutes increments, its days of thinking, it's trying to find art and magic and kind of beauty in these moments, and nobody gives a fuck,

However, they will this is in as good as it should be. No, of course, not It's really hard depart sucks its and in some empty dont, come up that aren't beauty and magic in everybody's yeah. We would Our doors and I'd die stole something from John when he was chief, be dreaded at salient time. Did we the skull and the door. The means go, I forgot about that loud and we had a lot. We need of having a lot of stuff on the door to tell people do not commit the outcome in any way. We have. There is a joy meter, but that do not come before people had barge in anyway. You please I've got to tell the story in that part of the book where you're just sitting there and you have to read the eulogy for charleston and you have like basically just the heading and a blank page in your trying, but everyone disk, it's got to be there. There was a day, I think, is like day seven of the book, and you know at the time you're not like. Okay. Today's day, sects, like these these days, didn't really call my head until later, but but there is this dara trying to get to it every five minutes someone would come in with something else is just by setting up a susanna call

the little box of interruptions- and you just can't focus and until everyone's gone and the emails kind of slow to a trickle, including there's this fundamental change. about whether president obama was going to speak at the eulogy at all. He read pretty honestly about how he just didn't want to, because he was so like cynical about having to give a eulogy in the wake of gun violence, and then he ultimately made the decision to sing at this event, and you right in the book how you are like, MR president, bury I want to see you sing and up there. You talk about how you convinced him, too spread his wings. While that is, as you said, we almost didn't do the eulogy at all, because after after newtown in two thousand and twelve kind of said his second term agenda aside to go after guns. Whatever way he could, whether background checks or whatnot and that failed in the senate will didn't just fail, is blocked by republicans and after that he, said you know. After those matters maddened symbols. I've ever seen him and he said I dont. What do I do the next time as happens? I don't want to give another eulogy after this cause. Adjust it like me

It seem like this is okay and we just give a eulogy and move on and trust them is different. You kind of have to after one, but but he he still didn't want to even six days afterwards. Why did he have to utter down so you've, if you've got the first black president and you've got this racist slaughter. You know carried out under the confederate banner and it just it. It did sort of we didn't if a hard and fast rule as to when he spoke after eulogies, but that one felt like it so yet there were some people in white us pushing for it. He didn't want to until he saw the families did, which is they forgave the killer, and that was powerful, knock brought him along, but but to get to the singing he He added the lyrics to amazing grace the night before the speech. And he tore the speech up. You know you, I gave him a draft and it was. There was the only time he's ever just drawn a line through two pages and rewrote em longhand, which is that was that was tough and I described the unfolding. grace, which is outlets, and so that morning he he goes out to the rose garden, gives a speech about marriage equality, Supreme court finds right to it. There's these joyous scenes, but we're still mindfully we're about to go. Eulogize nine dead people and he

up on the helicopter, and he goes you know if it feels right, I might sing it. It was just like okay Nobody would he said I, but he you know He had a healthy go about singing which, which is all because he sang AL green at some fundraiser. Now, like everyone in the audience, went insane. Never let people stop hearing about that yeah. He was so proud of himself. He get there, but. if you're, watching the eulogy which, which you should it's great and he pauses for eleven seconds before he starts singing and there's only five of us on earth who heard him say he was going to sing so asked matters like what was with the pause four dramatic effect where you'd citing he does? No man? You know the thing about amazing grace like now. He goes you have to stop it's really really low or by the time you get to a wretch. Like me, your voice cracks he's like so I was just I was like preparing. I find that e flat e flat when I read that as like his had, he tried to sing amazing grace before terms, hidden public to look. I don't know it was the first time that day he tell you.

another gaiters went out there. I just runs. I think there is any I'd or I do think that in that, in the end, echo of a of a bathroom. You think this is going to work. I can do this. Can I ask you all a question one of my favorite parts of the book, hoodie you're. Talking about writing the state of the union address. When you're, which you all love to doing, is my fear. Radio lording not even be just as much for you. Turning like the best wrapped, you ever turned n o bomb cause you into his office in disguise it the note, included something about miles Davis. Can you tell that story and how you felt about that guidance, whether it was helpful? Yes, it was the third consecutive christmas I ruined drafting a speech, And- and I gave it to me- two days early and felt great about it, and he I hear nothing after I give it to him, which is really frustrating cause. He always asked for an early draft right and then he doesn't get back to so insistent calls me upstairs. I go up he's sitting in the dining room off the oval office and he goes sit on that, I'm just like, oh god, what am I going to have to redo? An eight thousand word speech, he's like how you doing I'm like

I'm fine, what it we as a the speech- and it goes well. I think we're ass shapely benny days out of my great, but we can make it better so. I guess you analyse the miles Davis and like em. Maybe why is like? Oh it's everything's in here, and I need some quiet moments. I need some space. As you know this eva miles Davis, it's the notes. You don't play its silence, isn't like whatever So you have, someone should go home tonight, have a drink, listen to some miles Davis and find me the silences. It was like ok, This is at least as citizens as an honest simpson that adagio and its away of her seeming pretentious. She was no listen to the notes, he's not play

that is why it is here. You go boss added some positive, I'm not gonna say who it was, but there is someone like the day of that speech to who's who staked out the bathroom and the ground floor of the west wing and as soon as I come out to go to the bathroom jumped up and was like. Can we add this to the speeches? Know something that struck me as so there's the this big debate in the oval office over whether obama should should speak at the at the eulogy and at one point he goes on this rant about the confederate flag. Still hang up at the state capitol and he says it's not subtle black folks have to walk past it every day. How would a jewish community feel of people hung a swastika somewhere, the flag? Isn't an embrace of history. That's talking point come on people and then he looks at you and smirks and says. Obviously we shouldn't say that so I put in the book, but then like it's like reading it in twenty twenty two. My first reaction is like why? Why? Wouldn't you say that

I know, but it at the time I get why he would have said that, but it just it it it felt like wow. We really have. I wonder what obama's presidency would be like right now and how his discussions about race would be right now, and can you talk about like why, at the time he felt like he shouldn't say, yeah I mean it it'd, you be possible no right now. Everything has changed so dramatically because of the trumpeters at the time he would have gotten twelve red hands if he said that right. see pearl clutches of, like all. You can you can quit the confederate flag to swastika, why not in his point too, about the fact that the flag was over the trials and say that they put that up in this nineteen sixty is right. You know that was, in response to celebrate yeah I was not just hang onto to the civil war, but we always had to be mine Well, even if it was frustrating as to how different audiences would interpret what the first black president said. You know he had this. He had to walk this tightrope that nobody else ever did and one of the one of that

things at ever. Meet that maybe happiest was went on. Ta Nehisi, coates wrote once for eight years broke up and walked on ice and never fell, and I always said well, yeah, because that's exact, that was the emmy. It was the best summation of what he had to go through on race. From the moment he decided to step into politics until he left the white house. And you know if you are outside the white house or you are not him, you can criticise it could ever, but when, when you're that guy, when you're the first by president you're doing it, you have to you, have to think about all those audiences in them but you haven't brought along it. That's it that's unsatisfying, because we we were all you, know young progressives and wanted to shout right and wrong from the rooftops entered too tell yourself that you can't is a very frustrating thing to do. Ya do and all that's true. I do wonder how the trump years have changed.

a certain way of thinking about decorum and not really people up at things. You can take place outside of race on on marriage, equality and a host of issues where there is an expectation that mostly falls to Democrats. It is certain places you, can't go certain truths you can't tell- and I do wonder if one of that, but I think that now. I wonder like if, if you Someone like trump was coming. How much more honest could you ve been like what what were the one of the things that trump opens up that route that we realise were rules we actually should have been following yeah. I think about that all the time what I would do if we could go back and write differently, knowing what was coming and but at the time we just we didn't, have the luxury of doing that. There was almost. We were constrained, a lot in ways that were frustrating and difficult. I will say that I think the whole concept of of grace the theme of the of the

Luigi and the book still hold up today. It needs it to me I'm in maybe we're just former obama staffers her still live in that time, but, like I do think even many reading it after the trump era are still on the instead there that were in. It still feels like graces or something. That's that we're short on right now, with that we probably use yeah, I mean I feel, like people still want people like this in the white house and everywhere and in in life. I have to because what? What? What alternative? Is there? No eleven a book and look we so, as we mentioned the top cutting, I lived together for several years and three Thus, in a group ass, he paid like three grand a month which made government salaries and go a lot further, and then your now wife, Kristen basely, moved in and I love how you talk about christians, job at the white house on the research team and how that rolled the occasional grenade into your marriage. Can you tell the soil and the christian was one of our fact checkers? That's that's how we met

would fact check everything we wrote and it was so frustrating. I artists, he loved ready at the off. Nothing Adam doesn't just we killer. We kill ourselves on these drafts and then submit them, and you know these wonderful, factual, as including my then girlfriend we'll just you back your all the things you got wrong, that you need defects and it's just relentlessly frustrating actually ended up getting married. I think it's true testament to our lot of ireland's lisbon summit. The fact checks are a little overly cautious? There was one of them. This is the one I always remember, which is where I was writing a speech for president obama to deliver at nasa. an armed or maybe was a stitch speech about signs generally, but regardless I made reference to the first photo of the earthquake from far away called earthrise in it. It was a photo taken after eight revolutions of the capital and space to the roof capsule rotated a times and then that the astronaut took a photo and the fact checker response was well. The council had been facing a way which means that it had to say

in eight and a half times, which meant it was more than eight times are good, and I was I like it. I was like I hear you, I hear what you're saying I receive this. Ah, if we get in trouble I'll take responsibility, for not adding them more than eight. You think who do you which speech writer? Do you guys think is that was the angriest in the in the responses to the fact checker trip when he pissed off buzz aldrin? I believe that the second directive, but I was a separate trip- were buzz outermost innovation. In hindsight, honestly, my only regret is that I didn't go further, because this is an anecdote about buzz aldrin, not punching me in the face. How much better is an anecdote about as bizarre and actually punching me to phase out of love the black guy from balls, ideally I'd, be I'd, speak in his eulogy, be awesome, jimmy interface, baldwin outcomes. You now is still around you. You you, you are among the factors least ferrets, but roads has a special place in their hearts. Does he just wouldn't reply? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah bandwidth. More than you

you write about always like feeling like you'll, be exposed as a fraud in the white house, which I think is like a feeling was had every day in the white house. What am I doing here? How did you? How did you do with that? I don't know that. I did I dealt with it by killing myself to like just get every draft as as good as I possibly could like? What right did we have to be there? What right did I have to be? You know chief speech writer for the first black president at at thirty two years old. That's insane but I also think it is a testament to our white house that I think a lot of people had imposter syndrome and felt that way because yeah, how many people do you think in the trump white house had imposter syndrome, they all felt like they deserved to be there in Houston. Look what that got us yeah! No, it is it's. It is when you look around at some point, you look around at everyone working with you like where, where it, that's it there's! No one else. I do you think I agree, I think the trump people did know they were imposters and they were unfortunate. I think the issue is not that they didn't have imposter syndrome. I think they thought they were imposters and they were right like they were imposters

they weren't they were on the take. They were the dregs of the dregs and a deep down. They knew it. That's why they always took photos by the oval office to act like tourists. You know they knew level that they were just visiting, and but that does mean they won't be back just saying, on this point, one of the one of the most important emails that that fabs ever sent me and I dunno. If I've ever told you this was when we were all just struggling with speeches. You ve me at midnight one night on a saturday when you are working on the twenty twelve convention speech and adjust this really

grand from you that you don't usually do like. I can't do this, I'm not I'm doing. I hate those. I gotta get back out of a job and it was a person was like when we got John fuels. Are we to do this? It is any more. I can't do this and you don't you ever of doing something ever talk to me like that is when you took that edible. That was too big and you called me in an open, eight thousand as you're not going out of the way, and I didn't actually my friend and somebody as john calling me or something wrong- not have an architect. No, it won't. You speaking too, is all about how many people you have helping you like the one in the beginning of the about campaign when it's just me and Adam Franco. and before we hired roads, there was a timer. I think I have to quit. I can't do this is too many speeches. There's like three sets remarks a day like you just that, there's only so much you can write every day and then once we get to the, why haven't we had a bigger team? It was, a little bit better, but it never fully goes away and consequently, like you guys, are all genuinely humble people, at least,

there is a view and, like everyone, everyone sees a feedback becomes in right. You see the the praise, the profiles of people. How did you guys deal with? with that like there was part of a speech you control, you could write something, that's really great gray prose, but then sometimes it's just a moment that elevates whatever it is. He says whether it's the drafty wrote or the singing yeah we're gonna your control rain, it's totally out of your control. You know people ask what did you tell him to sing like? No, you don't write sing here, sir. I was Kinda frustrated with some of the best moments came from him. You know we would try as hard as we could and then he would take it to a higher place. I I guess I always liked that and was always okay with it. Maybe because like when, when I signed up to work for Barack Obama, he had just done the two thousand and four convention speech. One of the most famous convention speeches in history wrote

It himself didn't think he needed a speechwriter, and I was like all work for the sky, but, like I'm, never gonna, I'm never gonna be at his level because he's fucking Barack Obama he's the one run for purpose. So it's like if I can give him drafts that are like decent and he takes him to the next level. That'll be enough, and I we like one of my favorite moments in every speech learning process was actually getting back his edits now. If he had its came back in it I got a line through the paper or come to see me. That was not my favorite part, but when he really again in the juice, be like a ton of writing on the page. I would get excited because, unlike our eye, what did he do to this? To make it really? it good yeah and it's a little bit of a cheat, because I'm michaela guess that was my job, but whatever he did it and it's great now yeah there was there were the the the satisfying right is like small added throughout and then an arrow on the side of the page. It over and adjust to paragraphs to go right before the end and you're like oh those son, just like him

and I the way that I always felt about it- was that, like I- and I think part of it is actually these part of it. Is that the like? You know the brokenness of the people that go into politics, but it's a benefit, which is that you know your your ios. Felt like both practically and emotionally your torrent you're, not trying to please the world you're, trying to please the one person which is where you write about really there in the road map affair. Job is to know what the world needs. Their job is to have spoken to many more people than you ever could bit been. The person been on the road talk to everyone. Had the life experience, they are supposed to know what goes out into the world. Your job is to give them the tools they need to get what they want, and so, if you ve done your job and gone through this rigour for them that they would not the time to do

otherwise, even though I feel like we all worked for people that, if they had all the time in the world, could write the speech themselves. But you're there to help them get what they need if you've, given them, what they wanted, and they know what people need. Then you'll have done your job and so, like I felt like in the the hat. The most satisfying part of his speech was not seeing it being delivered. It was the moment it was accepted as like. Oh great, this is done. That was better. That's that's what you are always playing for a that's a little bit of a problem in politics, the kind of the way inside of an organization you kind of become like you know, you serve the principle and I think that's for good and for ill. But in that case I think that's That's the that's the only way being a speech writers possible because you're, not a president you're, not the person you're there to help them yeah that that was always my favorite moment in the speech process. To when I would kill myself on a draft and just be a ball of stress and

the second you sent it to him everything my body would relax cause. I know now it's out of my hands right. He might come back and tear it up, but but he I write about this in the book. This was the night before the eulogy and he called me back to the white house at ten p m, which you know isn't good yeah and is after been killed. Just been killing myself on this and this. This is when I go in and sit down with him and he drew just two lines through it and actually apologize to him, because I really did feel like I'd, let him down, but he he said. Can we used to love it? He just walked back down the stairs and he put his hand on my shoulder rare and he said, listen, brother, we're collaborators. You gave me what I needed to work on this and get it done, and when you've been thinking about this stuff, new song, about race and for forty years, you'd know what you wanted to write to and like that, helped a lot just to get that just be like you're, not an abject failure. Only a partial failure know what looked through a speech and and

Alfred or in the campaign when he likes sent back his edits, which was like a huge rewrite about speech, and it's like I can no more disown my pastor than I in my white grandmother, I'm like I'm not going to give him up. I wasn't going to write that line for Barack obama like there's only something that he could do himself. You know all right. So what was hard? Sharing in office with love it or sharing a house with tommy, oh wow, Aragon, giddy up will whether both their both great joys love it I love it during comes levitin, come in till noon and when he did he'd be wearing shorts, ran riding his electric scooter yeah. Okay, first of all The eu be through two points about this one. I was writing electric scooter and e bikes, but you know pedal assisted bikes a decade before they were popular. was marked, really daughter, raza. I would wear a t shirt insurance because even on electric scooter, I would just swamp the whole thing.

The whole system, but would you change out of the short in that? Yes, you catch. The I would change them. I have if I had to leave the room again. Ok, I would wear the shortened the t shirts too, to cool down. Until I had you leave again, then I would change. I get it

when it's noon. It's just I love it is working on this draft. Is he around? We have edits. The president wants to see us as he is he come in modesto have to put a suit on to go to the bathroom. Would you think yeah? That's true yeah. I wasn't like I, I honestly the most I wandered around that white house. Like a donor yeah. I can't believe they. Let me in here. I guess I paid you actually gave me great room advice about what to wear to work as a roommate, because on the day of the bin laden operation, harm our then other roommate, Michael Neill, for some reason hosted a cooking class in our kitchen and it was a shared kitchen and living room, and you- and I were like what the fuck is going on here. So we started watching a basketball game and just trying to like nurse a hangover in the celtics ron says wearing a celtics jersey, and I got called into the white house- and I was like I can go in like this. Would anybody care

and you're like you, should absolutely not go in like that. Yet we didn't know you were going in to be in red. No, he did not. I was good advice. I was there too, and I didn't, and it was later on, no blackberry like roads was like oh yeah, here's draft here's his or she has a set of draft remarks and I'm like remarks for what I'm like. Oh, the killing of osama bin laden. Okay, I guess we're doing this now. Thank god Let go as our larry virtuosi tommy. Great roommate, I write. I have a there's. One of my favorite pages in the book is where I compare and contrast you in our other roommate my colonial little much like tommy's. This monk like like an early to bed early to rise, tommy, I'm like what the footway he was. The excuse me, sir okay, there was a witness. I spent some time there. The the book is grace president obama. In ten days in the battle for america cody you written written, a fantastic love, especially one pod, save america audience. You guys will absolutely love. This boy is inspirational. It makes you hopeful about. Politics

like every is the antidote to everything that exists in politics. I read a chapter than go knox indoor so go check it out. by it by tat. I today, I'm I'm really really proud of it, and so thank you s. Romijn thanks. Our thanks for council. You do do plugs here I play whatever you want when you're already just plug the fucking to the book. What what? What are you looking for? I know I'm on tour, I'm on tour, so cody keenan dot com, all the events are there Tommy and I didn't have anneli already. The whole vi showed up. It was awesome, advance in two thousand to be back here in our next week at the other public, louder traveller aloud with lectures. So please come on out it's fun Is it writing a book? Is great selling the book is not so great, but these live events are just awesome because you get to meet people who are who are really really wonderful, critiquing, dot com come say: hi thanks, got it thanks to codify joining us today and we'll talk you next week, love it good luck in those pennsylvania, diners to hang trafalgar yang. You bet

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