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Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen is fired because she’s not extreme enough on immigration, Trump courts Jewish voters while accusing them of dual loyalty, Nancy Pelosi counsels pragmatism while predicting a House victory in 2020, and another 40 candidates enter the Democratic primary. Then Nobel Peace Prize nominee Amanda Nguyen talks to Tommy about building effective social movements. Also – Pod Save America is going on tour! Get your tickets now: crooked.com/events. 

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I welcome the pod, save America, I'm John Fabric, I'm John Lovett untimely between leader in the pod Tommy's interview with Nobel Peace Prize nominee, Amanda went whose, behind the new effort to train young people to build social movements, got a lotta news to talk about first from the nation, Donald Trump Secretary of Homeland Security and the republican strategy to court jewish voters to Nancy the strategy for keeping the house and the ever expanding twenty twenty field quit programme and note will be out in the road again. This week's or Thursday night show in Boston will be released as a pod on Friday in our Sunday night shown in Hampshire will be released as next Monday's pod
also a reminder that we dropped a bonus episode right before the weaken started. Tommy talked with Hooligan Castro about his presidential campaign on right right here in LOS Angeles, and that in turn, in our view, is available. Now you can also watch it at you to dot com such crooked media, while smash that subscribe one leg and you can see it too, you can listen to me. You can watch Tommy, radio and tv scrape alright get the news during a meeting. The White House Sunday evening Donald Trump, asked for and then accepted the resignation of homeland Security, Secretary cures and Nielson right there, lend wrote over at Vocs Nielson is arguably been the most aggressive secretary in the department short history in cracking down on immigration, with her legacy likely to be defined by the zero tolerance prosecution policy of late spring. Some are twenty eighteen that resulted in the separation of thousands of families at the? U S, Mexico border. None of it appears to have been enough for Donald Trump,
so Nielsen's resignation came shortly after trumped, decided to withdraw his nominee to run ice because even Miller and others wanted to go, and I quote tougher direction replaced Wilson, on an acting basis, will be Kevin. Magdalena who currently runs customs and border protection trumps cabinet is operating without permanent secretaries in charge of homeland security, interior and defence and in acting chief of staff. Acting, which is the kind of the funniest one could trump could make mulvaney permanent chief of staff today he just doesn't do it because you want them to feel small right there's! No. I was actually wondering about that, because it is the only one where, because he doesn't need actually get confirmation. Just do it are there any. I wonder if there are legal implications, because he also is running o amby. He has more vainly running three quarters of this government at any given moment mean that you don't have a lot of choice these days and the trumpet has fewer. I feel a confession
First does not that many people there this tumble weeds in the hallway negative jeered at having a really it's mixture of August, even Miller, a bunch of random people who they just found and Steve bad and anti Chinese who containers Solana, round couple pepper names so guys do we know about wide from fired Nielson and what he's looking for in his next homeland security secretary? Reports are that she wasn't mean enough. John, a woman. Oversaw the family separation policy that ripped kids away from their parents and separated them for months. At a time doing permanent damage to these children was not mean enough for Donald Trump. According to foreign quotes and everything you need and also seems like in recent weeks. Donald Trump has said: embassies first reported this that he wants to reinstate the family separation policy and she resisted that. Now, it's not really up to Donald Trump, to reinstate it or her to resist it.
The reason it ended as because one he's item executive order ending at the to the court stepped in and said he couldn't do it right. So it does seem like you know, we always focus on personalities and we can tackle the mules now we want, but this is more of Donald Trump is facing an intractable policy, problem that he cannot fixed in the legal problem that he can you're getting rid of her sayings and shut the border sales and reinstate family separation. It some its woody's frustrate. With is that his cabinet water is magical. There are magical cruelty Sue can like Muse cruelty to implement his vision. I mean your Dan trade about this over the way and but there is a tweet that if, by one Donald Trump that captures his ad you'd about immigration, which is I'm? such a good job at the border. Everything at the border is really good. Also is a total catastrophe, it's an emergency they're coming drugs and we need to shut the border, and so he's trapped in this place where it's a signature issue he's been president, for
he'll, give he's running for reelection. There's the signatures of his presidency: it's not a success right he's at that he has not redounded to policy benefits that he was hoping would happen and its clear. He doesn't know what to do so. We swim in people is yelling, is calling for crazy things. He's trying to likes the attention on the issue, but is clearly angry about about what's happening, and I don't think he has an answer yet I mean I this is the I alone can fix. It presidency yeah The coming to fruition here right legume drum promise that he could fix everything he thinks he can fix everything evenings Fire people and get his way all the time, he has never realized, never learned that to solve a problem as complicated as immigration and look. There is an influx of asylum seekers at the border right now and you know any president, whether its and Donald Trump policies helped fuel that influx of asylum seekers, but anyway in democratic Republican would be dealing with a
asylum seekers right now and have to figure out. What do I do about that? Most president's would learn that you have to work within the bureaucracy. You have to work with Congress. Maybe you need some support The other party, maybe you know like evaluates, have lawyers telling you it's the most legal university, except that it's complicated it's hard right and that there are reasons to not be so soon didn't because, even if you have a view but how to immigration? Isn't good works and to take time to get there. They're they're just complications that guy learning he's never shown any interest in on top of being a racist whose pursuing in a native S, NASH, Slovakia's policies in order to wrap up his base. It also clear that he just doesn't- he doesn't understand them. Russian policy and fundamentally fundamentally in any way, shape or form, despite it being the thing that he focuses on the most like he referred to the floor as court settlement, which bars the federal government from detaining minor, more than twenty days and blamed on Judge Flores ever you may be, and quote
knows a little girl with the last named floor that led to this agreement, and I believe in the eighties, years ago, like ninety seven he doesn't see to understand, or the vizier doesn't care that Building a wall doesn't stop people from seeking asylum, and in fact this like what? What do we do? That we're stuck in this place, where he as in does the same things over and over and over again immigration policy? Any just gets increasing. We create in sounding talking about doing away with asylum, entirely talking about closing down the border to Mexico. Talking about eliminating all aid for Latin America and central american countries and the press covers it. Crazy. You knew when, like completely counterproductive, but I don't know about it. We're stuck in the cycle and in it is alarming because it seems like, even since the mid terms, he he has sort of attacked the rule of law even more than he has are used, as we ve all of you said many times that he's the rapporteur tenant
casting the fence here and what he's looking for is another homeland security secretary and other personnel who will help essentially break. The law says because he's now stop any so said the other day. What we need to do is get rid of the judges he's just ages ago. It's authoritarian briefing like he hasn't operate. Deeply, has no disciplinary there's no plan. Here I mean it is, I think, part reason why it's important to the media does cover what he says about immigration is actually one of the few places where he's followed through answer is more outlandish. Promises right. The zero tolerance policy resulting a family separation that began as this kind of frenetic off the cuff ripping and then all of a sudden, its policy, You know, but usually he's had to step back from those be grave, the courts, and they want to clean this. Why? And I don't blame them for covering when covering him. We says all these outlined of things, but it does reinforce this notion that there is a massive like unprecedented crisis at the border, which is simply isn't true. There,
huge problem at the borders. There is a growing number of people coming from Central America and seeking asylum and that this system is being stressed. The point of breaking but he's doing things to make situation? Worse, not better. I also say I think there is a legitimately a humanitarian crisis at the border areas lily, because you know, I think we ve had triple the number of asylum seekers this month we have last my end, even metering them, so they not hearing their cases. There are stuck in camps in Mexico. Will there and it so it's a humanitarian crisis. It is not a national security crisis, which is how the bid ministration is talking about it. These are not people who are criminals. These are not. People are coming to our inner to our country and causing crime. These are mostly women and children and families who are seeking asylum, and what has happened is there? Is this huge backlog of cases right now, while their seeking asylum, but whether their asylum application will be process, we don't have enough judges, there's a backlog of cases and trump. This whole time is focusing
Fucking building a wall which will do nothing about this. He has some some of us like he has only repaired some miles, a fencing since to office. He has built zero miles of new facts that what this is a thing that so strange right now I imagine mean this is partly why he served raging about this. Is that he's trapped here, because on the one hand he does correcting correctly see? This is one of the few things he can success. We talk. With his base and, on the other hand, he's not a candid these candidates, the president right, so he has a record here, so, I think alike, of this. Ending at Nielsen venting at the fact that these people, worn tough enough, is looking for someone to be, able to run against basically to say like this is: what is did me from actually implemented my vision? I think it comes back to. I think it's it's worth looking at what Nielsen represents because I think it's important that she's leaving at its important we're having this conversation about we're legacy, because she is what, then, when you try to like
put a layer of seriousness, a layer of adulthood like icing on this trump cake of bigotry and chaos and frenetic innovation, he's the icing, I think she's, the, I think, I think, is the wrong word. I mean that she's, like She is not very honourable, of course, desirable and I'm seeing as she tried to do what Trump wanted to do. While looking like a traditional, serious cabinet secretary I'd see, I don't agree that she fuckin went to the press briefing. Women live like crazy. Like ass, not serious, that's being a does as being a polish looking liar, I needed she's a polish. She is aimed at all as representative of trumpets and presenting trying to do, but presenting well is a very different thing in my opinion, then, like acting like an adult in the room and trying to com is worse instincts, which she never ever did. Well, that's it that's what they're claiming that's what they claim that they want to spend. I mean we ve had conversations about personnel in this White House right in, and I think what we ve learned is some of these people resist him for a time most down.
Some people resist him sometimes and then end up giving it Many were right. I did I'm really the personalities in this a ministry certain whether its Gary was the fuck was his name Gary Cooper. Where was a Gary cone or a John Collyer accused and Nielson, Stephen Miller like whether there with him all the time with them? Sometimes now, and sometimes he gets way in the end, because he's bulldozing people left and right? The further that, although in arms, he's trying to break the law, he's doing other shit, that's the point. She thought she could come in and be respectable. You know yea be a serious Republican inside the Trump administration. It turns out, that's impossible, you become you, you become the preventative of what requires lies in order to execute and you leave tarnished by Trump and having succeeded in in in it having failed to do anything to mitigate, is worse impulses, If the worry about now is innocent, Macklewain up reportedly has said they, when their tunnel
bring back family separation that he might present families with a binary option, which is either you can be separated from your children or you can all go into detention together indefinitely and there are contemplating was boss guy as illegal refer the Flores agreement, which, as you cannot hold kids for London a twenty day so I guess we're reaching another breaking point where we're going to have to decide. Maybe Republicans in the Senate will have to decide if we're going to just allow the Trump administration to brazenly break the law may be. A court will jump in fry. Stop them from doing this, but we saw this with the negatives he sanctions about tomorrow. Maybe they were required under law to prevent their findings to Congress and they said no not going to do it and no one setting and again we should remember that back when Republicans controlled the house in the Senate, Donald Trump had a chance to some kind of immigration policy where he got more border security, maybe even some,
before as wall unanimously for a lot of money for his wall right. You know held mediocre recipients in and dreamers, and even you no end family, migration, Polar five times the amount of money. What for what he shouted? remain down over for border screwdrivers. Twenty five billion was on the table for Asia, the government down over five billion. He turned down twenty five billion from whether you're looking at it from the right or the left. His immigration policy has been a failure and abject fail when you look at what's happening right now, right all this new step back and like all this asylum conversation shutting down the border, the judge is trying to blame, set you'd attract foment in front of a fucking group of American Jews. Are the countries full saying the asylum seekers or faking and saying it's all? out trying to figure it out they share of asylum seekers who might not deserve asylum, that isn't he primary focus of the d, tromp administration at the border. Finding the group
of asylum are gonna trying to let our trying to convince everyone that that small group, that doesn't it isn't I ll read every one: is everyone has every those bitter strands, of course its everyone, but even, but even just the idea that, like email, you accept that a share of the asylum seekers don't deserve asylum. This is not a crisis. Is not a national security crisis. It's not. A national security threat is not worthy of an endless em, debate over and over and over again it's not the most important issue issue facing it if not the most important issue at the border. But it's going to be the issue in the fucking twenty twenty election because he's going to make it the issue every day. So, as you mentioned love it, we did hear some of the president's xenophobic rage over immigration during a speech to the republican jewish coalition in LAS Vegas on Saturday, or he said that our current asylum system is a quote: scam in families and children seeking asylum should turn back, because the United States is,
first of all. Is the republican jewish coalition not an odd place to declare that the United States will no longer provide refuge to groups of people fleeing five good software? You now you just like a quantity of Edinburgh you'd like to think it wouldn t, but I thought the thing that would thing was most chilling is the fact that him saying America's full that their faking it works in front of this I am now, and it's like come on people. Shame on you, the midterm, telling a group of of jewish voters that America's fall it to arrive. Whom they included an audience with Holocaust survivors, and it is one of the most historically ignorant insulting things you could ever imagine him saying to that audience. But- I can imagine the Holocaust survivors in that audience. Hearing essentially with America's history of theirs. There will be no. There was a time when we turn back. We holocaust survivor entire boats, full of individuals who later died and concentration camps, move we drastically restricted immigration, quotas and enforcement and made it almost impossible to emigrate to the United States in the thirties and fortys to twenty years,
So Trump also made an appeal to jewish Republicans in his speech by saying that the Democrats are pushing an extreme anti semitic agenda quote in attacking Rep, if IRAN Omar just a few days after federal agents, arrested a trump supporter who threatened to quote put a bullet in her head. And to show the audience what a good friend he has to American Jews from prefer Benjamin Netanyahu, as quote your prime minister and said the Democrats could quote leave Israel out there all by yourselves in response to it, Information League and the American jewish committee. Both criticise the president's statement for quote, feeding, bigotry and quote leading people to believe the Jews. Aren't loyal Americans guys, do you think publicans and disappointed to accuse Delano, Myra, feeding, the dual loyalty, trope or a busy writing takes about trumps re goes up ads are getting getting printed, it so frustrating you know, look he is done. He some of the most you know he's he is bought into anti
troops in front of jewish audiences again and again and again. That is what he does. He thinks it's charming and if you listen to the way the crowd react sometimes occur, finds a charming tail and it's very frustrating because it's a veto, its, I think the biggest reminder of it is at that. This is a bad faith attack on Democrat obviously, and just reminder that he can go in front of these crowds and use these troops himself while attacking Democrats ring it estimated in the next breath. While writing anti Semitism is on their I mean you, you couldn't you couldn't write down a more clear cut example of accusing but it in twenty fifteen. He told the same group you're not going to support me, even though you know, and the best thing that ever happened, Israel, because I don't want your money, you dont, want to give me money. You want to control your own politician. He said that to them that, money. You wanna control your own politician. He said that to them, that is,
Most of those many thing I've ever heard in the reason that doesn't get replayed on Fox news and bright barred and loops is abused, trumps, a Republican and cause Johan Omar is an african american Muslim who wears a huge job. That is the reason they play her shit. Over and over and over in her comments at reasonable people. Who could hear those comments and think that's offensive that unfair. I dont like that. I completely respect them for feeling that way, and certainly- Certainly she received near universal condemnation, but what trump doesn't says is worse and we're not even talking about- all the lid less who love him. Barely a blip heavies comments, and you know it's it's when I guess it's it's um, you know Trump. Does it like a we're all in on a joke yeah, you know, you're not wish it. I negotiated. You know you you're, rich Jews, you know Jews, you love your money, but but it's not a juggler People who want her watching it and don't jump, doesn't just engage in this cause. Anti semitic rhetoric in front of Jews. He has done it before he's famously done it in private,
it's been reported on many times. You go back. Look it's a small thing. When John Stewart made fun of Donald Trump. Donald Trump referred to him as John Leibovitz over and over again. Why? Because it was his jewish name and he would put Stuart in question say we call him use all. I don't even remember them up man, but you need all kinds of anti semitic words about John Stewart. It is his nature its what he's using to appeal to people- and it is shameful. For jewish people to smile and smirk at this kind of fucking rhetoric that America's for that. Rich Jews, who just try to buy or politicians, because you think that he's on the joke did a lot of people who aren't is also import understand that these are not just bad faith. Attacks coming from Donald Trump isn't just like trumps about enough republican jewish coalition in Sheldon Edelson reportedly play a ten million dollar campaign in twenty twenty to convince jewish Americans who Finally, vote overwhelmingly democratic to vote for Donald Trump. The man who just
the Prime Minister of Israel, their leader and, I add up and I I can- and I don't think it's directed It can be directed a jewish Americans, but it is particularly directed at older, jewish Americans, and I am sure- and if my my personal experience in my Emily. What I hear I, I think it's working I mean it's over surfer, certain subset of older Jews. I think it's working yeah, I think, look I dont describing there's three ten million bucks to reach two percent of Europe's population, but obviously, if you're trying to swing couple thousand voters in Florida Pennsylvania, this matters a lot that said like exit when data since, like the nineties, has shown that the jewish voters pre overwhelmingly voted Democrats, but also Jake, it has done a bunch appalling, because you two hawkish Republicans The claim that the jewish vote is could be swung by just talking about Israel, but in fact, when they ask gestures, Pulsar asked American Jews like what are your top too
voting issues. They usually say the economy, healthcare, terrorism, gun violence, but ten percent or less in these we say Israel. Also, eighty and of American do support a two state solution. So it may be the case This is a a threshold issue for a lot of older jewish voters, what they think of the democratic insufficiently pro Israel. They then can look the Republican Party and that's polity argument there trying to make, but just stepping back a bit v v, the Unflinching Republic in support for everything. Israel does has nothing to do with your shoulders. It has everything to do with evangelical voters. Yes, who the the for this right wing of which think that Israel needs be, can fully controlled. Have the rapture come instant. All the Jews are later be converted to resort Christianity
we're gonna help like they're talking to John Heavy and Jerry Firewall Junior and those crazy creeps far more than their actually talkin it. Jewish voters. I believe yeah ice. I still want to find the democratic jewish voters who are democratic in every way, but because of trumps position on Israel, now moving over as opposed to older jewish voters, who were already sort of trumpets side and then thus are more willing to us, the message- I don't I don't know the answer, but how do we know he there, but I do think it's kind of thing where it's just this: it's just that it's knowing this little bit of doubt in the minds of a subset of american Jews, say: hey, you know you can trust these democratic, maybe you'll stay home, maybe of over tromp. Maybe just maybe it'll just become a bigger issue for you, but it is there to have to stoke that little bit of the same. That's what they're that's what the Omar not up to us. It is less a little bit of a mark. I totally one of my neighbours of the holocaust survivor and I went over to our house once she's, incredibly old, but Fox NEWS is on all day every day. Blaring and she's, probably seeing story after story about you,
and also yes, it works, and also it is one more thing I will get to it, but it's it's also about equating supporting Israel with supporting rightwing american politics and supporting right wing Israel, politics right, that yoyo that desire that sit? That's like the biggest that's a most important, long term project that they ve been well speaking of that just days before the elections coming up in Israel this week, Prime Minister, Benjamin NET, who said in an interview that he'd start annexing settlements in the West Bank, if he's reelected Netanyahu's said, is the subject of multiple investigations is fighting for his political life Tommy wisely saying this, and how bad is it just a little contacts, so you know the baby called early elections because he thought it would prevent the attorney general in Israel who he handpicked. Who is a total right winger as well from bringing forward a diamonds, about him on or bringing starting the process of, inviting him on a corruption charges that did not
Oh he's got. How do we get that fight, William BAR room of their legal system takes even longer than ours it? It is frustrating. So basically either the selections on Tuesday and baby is heated. It's not just at the like cooed would win. His party would win outright like the democratic Republican Party, wins out right, there's like forty different parties running and they each to to get a seat in the costs it. You need to reach three point. Two five percent is a proportional I'm. So what he's trying to do is get support from the fur right wing policy parties into get out like who'd numbers. By doing these drastic last minute things in the twenty Sixteen election, the day before action they or their election day. He released wildly races, video that said, arab voters were going to the polls in droves because they wanted to take him out, and that was how he inched over the line and is it I get the vote, efforts among non Jews, and so this
This is very, some Armitage attach eight in lotteries equivalent to Donald Trump sort of caravans. Right before they lack away. I asked Amy nagging Viet NAM in a power for Fer a decade days a day. Before the election. He announces a new right word right wing policy on the West Bank. First of all do people I wouldn't people see through that, but also the old reason. Netanyahu faces a threat right now is that there has been a kind of you coalition formed in the centre of Israel, but every one kind recognizes that Israel has moved to the right. Why look what explains what explains this power that he me he's been a survivor for a long time he's had personal corruption charges against him since the very beginning, he's running. It's gonna, Benny Gaunt's in a coalition of former israeli generals, who, I think, frankly, if they win, we will not be close to happy with their politics either. So I mean
with regard to the need to annex West Bank settlements sickly. Every member of the likely policies already come out in support of this policy is just a new prime minister. Ever hasn't Netanyahu, and so do you think it's a popular policy with the people. I think it's growing more popular in it, certainly very popular in the Like Food Party, which is his meaning that the conservative party in parties to the right so What he's trying to do because of their weird system, is he needs to support coalitions with these super far right wing policies, including one that was so racist that their compared the Nazis. Literally in to get out all his people, because you can have a have a scenario where a more moderate party wins more votes and the like who party, but they can't form a coalition to form a government. Then it falls back to whoever outcome can pull it off so that that's what is play is here now I mean the problem with this policy.
Is most people view it as a nail in the coffin of the two state solution. You know me: these are the dates and apartheid state of you. Do that there are. There are there's always something that, in a negotiated, two state solution there, israeli settlements at a ride along the border of that, would be swapped in terms of territorial swap so that they would remain part of Israel. What's happened is two hundred and seventy construction has gotten so far into the Westbank the to carve out all of those areas and bring them into Israel. You basically would make it so use how these islands of territory that become the West Bank to you a state and a little dot. It there's a little yeah look. I was by designer. Well, yes, I mean yes, and so with Israel now faces the sexist Axel choice where they can continue to go for a two state solution, or they can essentially annex the West Bank and have a one state solution. But then you don't you, you will then incorporate two point. Eight million Palestinians into Israel and the question becomes: is this it out
my credit state, do they have the right to vote and if they dont is no longer a democratic state, and presumably one of the obstacles to a prime minister annexing the West Bank. Was that face international rebuke, including from the United States, but dont trembled? Do that's accurate. I mean every other. You don't be may have wanted to this. For a very long time, Obama had to force him to say you were the two state solution back in two thousand nine. They know that trouble not say that because they handed over the Golan Heights and they d move the Jerusalem embassy, which you know in fairness to trump. Every other presidents promised to do not Madame but, as you are probably ever, questions trouble, never questions pod. Save America is brought about quip Yolksac. I am thinking about the the joke without a fig joke about that will now
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what you ve got it everybody, but only by sea, my blog about American about American Pie and Jurassic world accurate a sober, the Democrats. In a new wide, ranging interview at the Washington Post, Speaker, Nancy Policy predicted that her party will hold onto the house and twenty twenty saying that she's cool going to have our races one by this November. We set a desolate: that's a year earlier nets. Just then she got the next year to just sort of chill out meditation. Kickback Paul came to the post, wrote the Pope policy rejected the idea that today's Democrats are further to the left and a decade ago. She said it was just a few hope: high profile people in Congress and in a few presidential and his instead chart a course of again appeal.
To moderate, suburban aids in some rural voters frustrated frustrated by trumps reality, tv style presidency. She doesn't want to focus on impeaching Trump or on far fetched legislation. That has no hope of passing and divided government. That is often came. She premises not to repeat the mistakes leading up to twenty ten saying quote: you cannot let your opponents characterize Miss characterize what you're about so what was missing from that election was a strong message in peace and that we had in this last election and twenty eighteen worrying Applause strategy here and overtaken understand the two thousand ten point right, because the other thing you out of out of there was a message in problem white. I think, even if there is a massive problem, there is a big difference between running to take power and running to keep power. So, especially by the way we should just lay out the context running to keep power after you have passed. A massive government programme, the affordable, correct and the economy has not even started-
covering from the worst recession since the great depression and were innocent wearing this right was twenty tat are in this this a word I come The regret, using this limited space between Obamacare passing a little space yacht between Obamacare, housing in being vilified and Obamacare, actually becoming something as part of people's lives. Ready to happen like yesterday, yet with a perfect but which man people's area like NATO right before twenty eighty, we stood up by Geocities that Healthcare dock work. So there was a love. Now they can't get enough of where they want more. What else do we think about her her strategy? There saying you know: it's moderates originates no rural voters worried about them. I mean it seems. Like there she's gonna, give cover to allow
of moderate Democrats who one in twenty a teen in districts where impeachment might not be popular in in in districts where some of the more progressive legislation that we ve all talked about Non GM may not be as popular she's, trying to take some slings and arrows for them in advance of them having to talk about it. Yeah me. One thing we have to understand is that Nancy plus he's job is different from any of these democratic presidential candidates. They are trying to put together a coalition national coalition that adds up to two hundred and seventy electoral votes. In doing so, we have often said that you need a candidate who can rally and inspire the of the party, including people who haven't felt like they wanted to vote before non voters, an still appeal to sort of these middle of the road independent swing, voters, whatever you want to call them, and that's what you that's. When you in the presidential low on the house level there a lotta districts where there is not, a base, voters beyond there's not a lot of like trying
and that is- and we have to remember and recognised than twenty eighteen. We did not when the house, because there was this sort of like liberal surge among the vase- we won the house because a lot of these districts there were a lot of republican voters who decided to vote Democrat for the first time. Independent voters and that's what's unanswered, close his mind, and that is a different task than what the presidential candidates have today. I just think you know we talked Buzz reward you there, no really grand conclusions you can draw from twenty eighteen and, in a sense saying this is the way you need to want to run to win house it right there are. There were cavalry districts that we won even with very liberal candidates, but still one by pulling pulling independence employing Republicans Publicans there more liberal districts. Where people like ABC could mount a campaign that not only helps them when the district but kind of creates a new benchmark for how far the left can be it's not a democratic party, and that has value so, like you know,
can we places where Democrats can run on Medicare for all can run on can run, can't can call for impeachment can can can a marker down for the green new deal in there. Can we districts where people ought to run a more moderate race? That's that's the gain! That's ok, right that That means in, and we should say it's not to say that if you are in one of these purple reddish districts, you have to run some moderates interests campaign. We made this point million times, but Katy Porter one Suburban, denounced out here. There was very republican she's for Medicare for all protegee Elizabeth Warren still one that race. But it's not like there's a lot of Democrats who were in some of these reddish purple districts who won their seats. By abolishing ice yeah? This is also a lot of jockeying going on. You see it every day on Twitter to define who is a progressive. What progressive ISM is a lot of. It is involved discussion about Medicare for all or or by Un Plan, or legislation, Pelosi put forward two to shore up. Obama care in the interim right? Like that's a conversation, that's happened. A lot is in
talking to Castro because he has an image in policy that is way to the left of any one else. Not seen as the same sort of what, MR so it's a question of. How will he started to find his policy as the litmus test for what it means to be progressive, or will he had all he's like that's how we are going to let some these people and it is also worth remembering to there's this balance that some, unlike Nancy blows. Yes, a strike right. On the one hand, she setting the agenda right, she's gonna decide what it does mean to be progressive in a way that practical right, she is going to help set that boundary of the Saint Ives, also going to share this kind of like what what does amount to kind of a form of punishment, and here's. What I believe some Canada to do here terribly other candidate to do. But the thing to remember is What we have seen repeatedly is that Nancy Policy is not going to be the obstacle to how far left democratic politics can go. The house version of Obamacare was
that eleven than the Senate version of a bomb care anything we end up having. If we are so lucky as to take the Senate, the the bound will be determined by the debates that take place inside of the Senate. Her job is to retain the house, try to build them Geraghty right. Well, you- and it's also it's a question of you know: let's fight about what version of healthcare legislation we pass once we actually have the power. Ass. It is opposed to fighting about it now because you can go for Medicare, for you go over Bernie Sanders Bill and in a representative, propels bill in the house right now on single pair or you could vote for Nancy Policies, Asia, legislation that would shortly easier either those votes right now They go anywhere else. Loyally, that's right within in notably complement Jaipur supports policies bill tooth a base yet right now the one exception I think, of what lover was saying. Is that policy
is trying to supports efforts by the Digital see to prevent people from helping out primary challengers. The democratic parties of these- and she is- she is protecting and comments. I guess you could argue that that prevents a party from moving to the less, but also completely understandable. From her point of view, I do not want to spend money on primary. That's the kind of thing Mcconnell would do we would all you Nazareth grudgingly admire how cynical and awful he is that I personally think it if you want to primary someone in a safe district. Go for that the error rate that it's a notable exception. That's where I disagreed with her and in this interview is her herds decision to support the the de triple sees blacklist. So, like you said the intricacies basically saying we will blacklist any firm, any consulting firm that works for anyone whose mounting a primary challenged was sitting House Democrat and look, I think primaries- are healthy for this party. Now I think, look it's interesting
Prada who's worth more liberal members of a house. He seems to flutter to compromise and he said well. Why don't? We say that if you're mounting of a primary challenge to someone in a safe blue seas, you know we won't blacklist your consulting firm. You should be able to do whatever you want about their primary challenge, but you shouldn't matter primary challenge to someone who's sitting in a reddish purple seat. Flip? I think that's a pretty sensible compromise, but look we have to understand that primary challenges within the Democratic Party and has challenges have happened for such a long time. I, like the Brok Obama, ran against Bobby Rush for his first congressional raise. You know, that's how better one his see mounted a primary challenge rightly does happen for a long long time. As I don't think this is going to dissuade anyone from running it is to create a debate that would make we're having right now that basically says that a portion of the parties opinion isn't wanted, or is it welcome? It was going to mean that there's firms that are gonna then become primary like, I really know how this shakes I'll get. You end up in a situation where you literally device
the party between people who work for comments and people who for primary calendars and there's a lot of places where there should be primary counters, because these are very blue districts with you know. Members there for a long time who don't represent the best interests of their district and are the right of where the democratic mainstream has become, or if you think that they do represent the district, then they make a case of voters. As you know, and whoever wins went right like I do you want to wait here. There's ran on a scale like that they're trying to mount a primary challenge to Richard Neil. In Massachusetts, you know because he won't hold a hearing on Medicare for all in the ways and Means Committee now they're going to hold a hearing for Medicare for all in the house. Nancy policies are problems that he doesn't want do so in his committee he's also the guy. That's now going effort trumps tax The you could make an argument that he's pretty liberal, but if you say on, not liberal enough run the primary challenge. Liberal enough, he wins the sea. If not, he doesn't. I shall focus. I also think there might just
practical problem here for the D triple c, if you have a pollster who's working on ten races for you and they're on calls with your paid media team, your research team, your cam, seeing all the time and that person is also working, On a primary challenger against some of your committee, just create some weird Jenny Natalie their propaganda. Had you gotta get inspector general like we're running around right now, there's a guy aids that its idle feels like on it, like a lot of work so as to prevent someone from doing some polling and running some add, also kind of elevates the role that consultants, with this whole thing, which is already much, which is already way to elevated in people's minds right. As of all these stories, right, like it's actually not as big a deal, you're gonna wait: nine, the consultant the fucking arrays, either way they just don't. You gonna take away the life blood of these. I well you know everyone. Everyone thinks, like you know, you hire high praise consultants and that when your campaign for you, it's just not what happens, you need a good Canada, good message that the funding Can there be like member middle class
finally, the grand actually happens. So you know, speaking of others, are old Brok Obama was talking to young leaders in Berlin over the weekend and he said that he worries that sometimes progressives create a circular fight. Squad because our allies stray from purity on the issues. Is he right to worry? I think it does. Is he on twitter? They have a twitter against, which is which is good for him either. You just probably hears here's the fight. He might be right. It might be totally fine that there is a constant roiling conversation about democratic policy ideas that consumes the media narrative. The way the Fuckin Trump show didn't twenty. Sixteen, I have no idea. I do think I do think. Look. You drive me crazy personally, when I see people running down, for example the affordable, correct these. I think it's the height of privilege to say that in Medicare expansion or twenty million people
getting health insurance is not somehow significant for those individuals right like that's, you might think I'm wrong and that's just fine, but I think it's an absurd argue. Yeah I'm at my view on this is always been. We should absolutely have fierce policy debates over the direction of the party, and everyone should be free to participate in those two in those debates. But what I start worrying about is challenging each other's motivations right when you pick a specific policy saying that your you know, you're a corporate shill you're doing this. For this reason or that reason like that's when it starts to get bad because that's when you know we start where we, when we start telling each other that this democratic not work. The because there are like a little bit too the right on this policy or that policy. You know, that's a problem, you, it's completely fine to say my cannot, support this policy, the other candidates
This policy, I dont, think it work goes far enough, and so that's why? I'm that's. Why I'm for my great than fight that yet designing, heartily if you much nastier than that on twitter yeah, I mean, I think part of it is that so much of our debate around candidates from politics or ideology, is about what, do, when we get power, the other ends up being argument about whose whose real, gonna, do what they say and you who can you really count on whose really progressive, when the evidence, the record or going on, is mostly words policy proposals, mostly how they? How how strongly they talk about certain issues, and I think then, when debates I guess it's like circling fires wads like well, what's in the chamber, you know with what are we firing at each other and it's like when, when a debate on it, see. This is why you can trust his person, see visitation ever listen to this person see. This is why you should disappear. Do you know disabuse yourself of this entire way? the party. I think that is when you have crossed a line as I'm totally fine with with elections being really contentious. I think vetting candidates is a good thing.
You should dig into their record, we should do it now before that person, winds and and in the general. Actually I like that should be our operating assumption. I dont care, if it if its nasty and contentious, I just think, is an argument that you should think about whether The way you attack, someone's motives or criticise them personally might turn someone off from your candidate permanently at that's a thing that people should concern and I'll says people pointing out that you know Brok, Obama and Hillary Clinton ran quite content. Sharing against each other. To doesn't eight may be more contentious, then the Bernie Hilary Raisin twenty. Sixteen. I think a lot of evidence for that, but you know what all of us on both campaigns. The Obama campaign, the glint campaign, will look back at some of those debates in some of those attacks and we're not soup. Proud of all of it. You know like that that debate, where she's saying your slum. Lord rest, CO and Obama, saying you sat in the Corporate Board of Walmart, like I don't think that was a great moment for,
either- and I don't think that was very constructive and I don't think that helped the helped either of them and help that the party at all well part of the problem of those debates at the time were they'd been debating for such a long time their policy differences were minimal. Yet was rest, there was just the it was the man to man held at our mandate worth waiting, some even some vote on IRAN. I work as the whole Iraq worth and, although the right, what about where they go bite but by, but that by then these fight, it indicated so much and mostly what they ve been proposing to you as president lines so much they were left with like so little to actually yellow each other about India forever in Iraq was the big one and then Iraq was in the past. So then it was like going forward. It was to similar, though, to the arduous who destination with travel. Today, Thank you now realized but twenty twenty over the last few days. I think something like forty additional a commitments their running for president
I owe congressmen TIM Ryan announced on Thursday, the forty five year old Right has been in Congress, and she doesn't three is perhaps best known for running, unsuccessfully against Nancy Policy for majority leader back and twenty sixteen. He pitched himself on the You dot quote a progressive who knows how to talk to working class people and get elected in working class districts. California, congressmen. Eric small well is announcing his bid on Colbert tonight, Monday night and you'll be hosting a town hall this week on gun safety with our friend Cameron Caskey, one of the survivors of the shooting last year in Portland Florida, because he wants to focus his campaign on gun violence. Colorado. Senator Michael Bennet said last week that, despite a recent prostate cancer, diagnosis, he's committed to running for president wants he's healthy. There's still considering a run include former Virginia governor, Terry Mccall of New York City EL, the Plaza Montana, governor, Steve, Bullock and Stacy Abrams, so outside of Stacy Abrams I'm going to put aside because she is fantastic and has a national profile. I've seen a lot
complaining and marking on twitter about all of these perspective candidacies. Let's take the other side just for I and giggles here What's the argument for running if you're one of these candidates, what They seem when they look at the political environment and the current field its telling them. I should do this it I don't know, I honestly don't know me liquid Eric swallow. It isn't easier example. It seems like he wants to run a campaign. That's primarily focused on stopping gun, violence that is admirable. That's the interesting approach, but I also think it open question for me: if that up were you say, I'm the I'm, the the climate change. Can it lay J Insulated is the best way to elevate that issue. I would argue that, and see did a hell of a lot more to elevate the issue of climate change or the people who protested die in fine signs office then Jane said, has so far now it's early. Maybe that will change but, like that's my honest, take on it, so Maybe I don't know, maybe they're gonna bring something to this race that we can't see yet, and so we should
by no means war them out? It's just when you get it? this late, it's hard to fund raises hard to get staff. It's hard me thresholds to get in the debates. I'm not sure I get the strategy, I don't know. I think soviet eating habits. Running on an issue in others. Reasons around the issue. One is because you want to meet the issue central, the politics or two. You want to use the issue as a launch pad for your own legitimate, full throated presidential. Race, I dont know in the case of swallow, were easily what the goal is, but in either case you know you look this field right now. You see better work. Who is no longer in Congress who has raised millions of dollars? You c mere peep outta judge, shoot and and and is not a criticism at all who who turned a few? He moments on television where he was thoughtful and interesting and new into enough of a basis support to get on the debates age. You look at that. You say all right. I have one,
one persuasive, powerful moment about the climate. I have one persuasive powerful moment about on control and a CNN town hall. Maybe I can get the sixty five thousand donors. Maybe I get on the debates age and I and the debates ages a chance to reach the people that you can't reach when you don't have a national profile and to maybe a lot of people are saying the debates ages, the threshold, if I make it, I make a shot at it. If I don't I'm out exactly what I think I have a few thoughts on this, I mean, I think, there's all started with it might have started with Brok Obama, winning the presidency radios state senator who was then a senator for a year and then became president states? It accelerated in a huge fucking way, with Donald Trump putting the presidency because he was, as we know, we know this whole story. We have to reach. Did it again, but no one has president so they re hubris, giving I was gonna grievously on America. We know we know it. So you see that and then you think, ok, well, you know. Anyone can really do this now right if Donald Trump present. Anyone can do this now and then
The way to the media has changed right where you can get all this national attention for a couple. Viral moments right and the way that raising money and the Democratic Party has changed. You used to have to like no a bunch of rich donors and sit with them and in suck up to them and get money that way Now you can raise a ton of money online, and so they look at all this kind of stuff and I think you're right especially it started with better in this raised, but especially Buddha Judge rate where these people, these people are congressmen and build a plazas case. You know the largest city in the country and theirs they like he is a mere of a pretty small college town and and his held no other elected office, and This guy has raised seven million dollars and is now this sort of national. At eight and whose really has a chance in the race cabin who benefits from running, even if he doesn't become an almond like that's the more cynical version of this, which is you run for office to get a cabinet appointment or worse, you run to get a book deal
you're Herman Kane. You get a book deal and your name to the FED later right, just cause you run for president. He raise your profile and I'll. Tell you now I dont I'm not making that accusation by the Democrats. Bits Certainly that was the case for most of the Republicans who ran for present for sure I did it to make money down there, I'm not making these that accusation either. I do. I really hope. That's not true, because I do not have I do not respect as much. I was say people were running, who thinking I'm gonna to win, but I'm just running because I want to raise my profile like and I don't mind. Look I think, like PETE booted edge is not running because he wants to the. I think he really wants to do this. You know but I think, if you're, if you're running for president, if you do this, you really have to think that there is a path for you and you want to and maybe all these people do, and I think the reason they do is for all these reasons. We have All I need is a couple big moments. You know where I take off and then, if I can just get to that debate stage and show
Oh, you know what I am, what my messages want. My story is, then their anger and they will get out of here to buy the way there saying we have two front runners Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, one in the raise one other as yet and they're not like traditionally super strong fauntleroy front runners like Hilary, wasn't twenty fifteen twenty? Sixteen you know they are there both pulling it like between twenty five and thirty percent. You know, Biden Support is take down a little bit burns it solid, but they're, not so strong and no one else, and then after that, you ve got Kamel a war. Better! Go and now Buddha judge all sort of in the mix it around eight to ten percent. And then how much are you looking at that field and you're like nothing, scaring me away right, and I also just their human beings- and am I just think we don't know How loud the applause was in their minds in the shower, while giving their inaugural? They must be extraordinary speeches that these people are giving to themselves. I mean it look. I think Howard Schulz is a good example of
find practicing was practising running for president is mine for a very, very long time and only discovered only discovered how hard it was when he started saying where they'll lot other him being it's ours, as all other garbage can have Coffee Grand Howard who got candidacy unravelled in one interview with alley. Velvety thinks that he's blunt on the world stage, what a club, Allie. Well, she wasn't who was interviewing him in the shower, but I'm just too but everyone everyone should run and will soon have a disclaimer. We have no, I ll Amory, honestly, like I have no vote idea what's going to happen in this primer, I don't about you guys, but like every single, I got it locked, I'm pretty every single day every the news I'm like I would be. Nothing would surprise me and his family sums they cast a pit I think he has a ladder. John Where do we come back peace interview with Nobel Peace Prize Domini, Amanda went positive about,
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Friends, you wanna do around that. In view of your friends jumped off a bridge named after another app. Would you follow them no way? I am honoured to have in the crooked media, H, Q Amanda, when she's the founder and see you have rise and non governmental civil right organization. She was the power behind the sexual assault. Survivors Rights ACT, one of twenty three bills to three bills. Michael Jordan, of bills to pass unanimously through your cars, she in twenty thirteen she graduated from Harvard University where she studied astrophysics and was a twenty nineteen Nobel Peace Prize nominee. Amanda. It's great to see you again. Gear. Last time I saw you we met for an hour or about how you figured out to do something more. Like the visuals, can't you just pay Why is it then? I buttonholed you for, like thirty minutes, to talk about something I saw on Cosmos, which has recently taken Netflix, which is very upset, but you were like going to see us
one day virgin galactic. How was it it was amazing. Airspace launches are amazing. Have you been doing now, As you have to go, it's so we have a guy that they pay cameras all over there I mean you and musk putting his Tesla on the spaceship was brilliant, yes, but a year basis, e you're on the track to be an extra I want to be that's my main dream so this hall, like writing civil right stuff. It's like I'm trying to do a blueprint so that I can get to space or Google will get to space at the end so, I think if people want to learn even more about the work, you're doing a rise. You didn't awesome, awesome, cookie conversation, which is our say they get into a ton of detail, but there's a new stuff as of this week that I want to cover so but will produce the less. But let's start there in the work rise does foundational. Tell what you're doing tunneling what's rise in? How are you able to pass more pieces of legislation than like anybody?
possible by taking our egos and shoving it somewhere through rise of us or Islam Profit, and I started because I needed the laureates and nobody was gonna write it for me. So, after my Harvard. I discovered a broken criminal justice system, rape kits and mass, You said before my law passed were destroyed before the statue limitations. I there is a huge double standard, so convicted rapists had the right to hold onto it for the duration of their position, yet another double standard that other types of say violent felonies, like murder. They never have their evidence destroyed by rape does, and I that was unfair, and so I realized I had a choice. I could accept injustice or rewrite the law. One of these things a lot better than the other. So I wrote it When I started rise as a team of us and
we sought to pass the sexual assaults rival rights through the United States Congress feel that Joe. There, like he's twentysomething year olds, you have no money our new connections, and then we did it It's amazing! I, like you This astrophysics background you're you'd get science, he kidnapped or organ how did you apply have some of the things your passion about to the work you are doing is like, I feel, like you kind of have to the system in a way that a lot of people talk about a few people really do totally so for I, data and being data driven is extremely important and when we walked into a members of Congress Office, we knew every single vote has ever done on this everyday lives that and also their white cook high school? I us- and it was not only the moral case for why they should do this. Also the political case, or why anyone should do this.
With a lot of strategy right when we passed At that time we became the twin a spell in modern you sister, you do so unanimously in the statistics for that as point zero, one, six percent, but the more remarkable thing. Wasn't that it was what happened after so when President Obama signed it in twenty. Sixteen, we heard from over a million people who reach out to sea, hey, I'm having these issues in my own community to, and can you help us a pen, my own words into existence, and so we to replicate that success, and I created a theory of organizing cod hope now makes the love open, Kyo its part, game, design, theory and then part national security theory in what it does. Is it game of ice, the process of passing the law over the past twenty one minds. We ve passed. Twenty one loved moves and unanimously retrain over two minor organizers. Do that and it covers
forty million people, civil rights? That's incredible! What is like it? It's a truly remarkable accomplishment, so kind of blends in turn of the year and answer for this week. But do you think your theory of the case could be borrowed by someone who is passionate about criminal justice reform, arab filling, the blank. That's the whole point rights out, so much of politics is in a bad facts is about. How do you talk to irrational human beings, avow, making them believe it's in their best interest, not only logically but emotionally as well and exactly what I have done. So we can now the knowledge and resources we have amassed over these twin one laws. We're taking the next step, so we ve Bell America's premises. Its accelerator and we rise justice lab. So you just a couple days here. You launch this project incubator for people who
build a movement around cause that they care about. So how is rise? Justice lapse going to work began, so here's our in cities across Amerika, there are, umbrella organizations that give seed funds to tack entrepreneurs. So when attack entrepreneur has an idea based on the merit of their idea, they can pitched too of easy firms and gets funding mentorship and that doesn't exist for us all rights. Until now. So what we do is we took a social entrepreneurship plans to grassroots organizing? and an activist or an organizer wants to pass a law they can apply to us and if they get it, sat, there will give them seed, funding, training, access to professional services like lawyers and community. An essentially where covering the opportunity cost of someone starting up a social movement that is such that so important because effort you talk about this, but I think you saw this after parkland, where
If a student who survived one of the attacks dare to tweet something about adding some joy in their day to day life. They were smack downs like how dare you enjoy what you're doing there there's this sense. I think that activism, to be punitive for the individuals involved. While I totally crazy, unfair yeah. I don't believe in martyrdom right in I am so glad that you brought them because we ve actually started rise. Justice labs under the radar for the past eight minds and the first team were so proud to work with our the survivors, alumni and friends. Other people who work with the foot from Parkland then the survivors of Madrid stolen Douglas I've. That's amazing so like when I feel bout how effective you been and how effective they been. It's like transformer, coming together, diving like what are they looking to learn from you and your organs yeah. So this group of young people, incredible young people founded by a young man named Robert Schuman TRAP, so he lost his. De Carmen. Shun trapped in the shooting on ever
So he came to me and said I just want to make sure that politicians I don't care what part of the hour will be able to be safe. In voting for gun violence prevention can I just want to lose my other sister gun violence and that that kind, organizing, that kind of attitude is what it takes and so over Eight months they ve been incubator, rise, full time, gone through, hoped, onyx training and they are now and fifteen states I have met with President Trump in view of lawful yeah yeah, with an incredible an with democratic house leadership. And just last month Robert testified in the Colorado State House for a bill, their support called Herbal, and that will pass it on its way to the governor task. That is remarkable, guarded the antidote to being frozen.
With Washington is yet another states and easy work like that. I won't. This is a time of frustration of political tribalism and of waning faith in democracy, and I dont think that there's, been a more vital moment in our history, for people to understand that they hold the power. Eight I am so sick of politicians who, dressed for retreats: haven't these reduced soundbites. Instead of making steadfast policy and for people who want an alternative to you giving money to candidates right there are only five thirty five seats with Congress for them? You also run for local office, but also You don't want to run or, If you lose, you still want to serve in some way. There is a For you to make change if I was a member of Congress feeling- was successful one
passed twenty one laws unanimously nearly result was able to do that is by being outside of that political fray right right. So using I thank you for your attention. I see a lot more say online. That's where we all live is: what's real act, them versus hashtag activists yeah. So I kind of thing the false choice relic marching works, sit in works, but I imagine if doktor king The social media tools we have today the out of use those as well right here, where's that what like creative things. Have you seen young people do that merge those the history with what we can do today? What I think are central industrial revolution is digital and that the path the networks of distribution are absolutely social media. If I go to a celebrity, who has millions and millions of followers and ask them to tweet about calling in something those? numbers of cars will be hearing those phone call straight away Oh hashtag, activism, along with other forms of organizing, are all valid, but at
of the day. What is so that you're trying to accomplish and for rise, we I didn't have the political luxury of a cathartic performance what mean by that is I needed to work with people from all sorts of walks of life and people. I didn't agree with in order to pass laws. Because for me, in order for a healthy democracy to function, it citizens need to be able to hash things. How we have, I think, in this moment of extreme extreme toxic political tribalism lost and so for folks, who still want, make a change. There is away, they can go ahead and apologize arrived, so eternal tribalism, the way it plays out in the media. I mean break our nomination like I almost only want to you so off all right. You see this incredibly booking believable crime.
Bull compelling emotional testimony. Verdict was afford, followed by can temper tantrum Lindsey Gram, and that seems Inspired their base more than doktor forts testimony got Democrats to turn out it's in opposed the nomination. In that like broke, my heart, I couldn't believe within a country where that is how someone would respond, two trauma in like that right and then more recently, we have a very different debate. With similar tones about Joe Biden like what is appropriate, and you know whether you know whether something fall short of of sexual assault or, Misconduct weather can someone uncomfortable it? How we talk about those sorts of issues in the public squares like I'm trying to figure out. What's the best outcome we can get from the conversations we have publicly now.
About all of these issues. First, I think America and to the world as an extent, is going through mass public trauma together for first time in the news seeing very deeply rooted, traumatic things that were stick matic once be played out over and over twenty four seven, and that is affecting the way that people are responding not only to politics but in their everyday lives. The second is that, regardless of the political spectrum, what at least I've upset from the things that have gone on is that is no longer. Do you believe survivors if it is, if survivors matter and the whole point I'm trying to show not only survivors but everyday people is
only do matter, but you have agency, where D mystifying the process of passing the law and trying to give people a road map, because people were dressed up with investing or putting their hopes into politicians that maybe we'll do, things for them by there's a profit model in politics of people paying a premium to lobbyists and consultants for access to research, connections and maybe work out, but for us therapy on the ground in these communities, look it's my deep believe that the people The solutions to the world's most pressing problems are the people who lived the problem every day and those people should be at the drafting cable to so why does cut out the mental man right out of earth off? I love it. If your lesson say, you're home right now, you listen. This fired up by your success
want to involve, you want apply to rise justice labs? How do you do that? and in what do you want to hear for them? If they're gonna go from applicant too at the same time anyone get a lot of people trying to be a part of this. Yes, our folks arise now got you ask and apply, and what we're looking for our people, who are passionate, who have really big ideas about how to change the world and who have what it takes and here's what it takes. Somebody who can compromise one of the final questions of Gozo at one of the vital questions that we always ask any person who applies to rise. If you were to meet President Trump? What would you say quickly, yeah and if the there's anything short of respect. They are not accepted. At the end of the day we have to compromise, we have to work with people, that's what democracy and our legislative process demands- and I still have faith in our waters-
process. That's why we're being able to pass on these laws? That's amazing, ok, one space question! Ok, you the path from today, for you too, coming an astronaut. How many years is that what you have to do? So that's really exciting and complicated quota and began There are multiple roots, obviously so used to work at NASA, and that would be my dream to be emissions, list on one of their deep, safe missions, hopefully to Mars yeah by its much more likely for me to go to space through a private space programme. And there are a ton of companies who are exploring and making a lot of innovation headway into private space,
I am really excited to be, will contribute both way of your Bush on private. Yes, definitely I've literally seen it with my own eyes, while last I was here, I headed from you to Virgin galactic and saw the first woman ever to fly into commercial spaceflight into space and come down, the so called Amanda. It is so inspiring to talk to you. Thank you. So much, I'm an end. Everyone should apply. Yes, such a good idea. We need to see this replicator, across the country, because that's the only way, we're gonna, unexploded yeah. Now everyone shit, no one is powerless and we come together again. The gay people are dying in the ongoing thanks Romana one for joining us and will see in Boston, Well, are you in both the rest of you- will hear us from Boston on products those on tickets for lower leaving in Boston? I was, there comes a hack up those tickets
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