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Well, replied, save America, John Favour, andean driver in today's pie, Republicans purge lives. Cheney than meat with Joe Biden took Karlsson goes in an anti backs crusade to look at this There's Virginia gubernatorial race, including Dan interview with one of the democratic candidates, Jennifer Terrify, but first check out the latest episode of positive the world were Tommy. Then take the palestinian journalist religious, real about the escalating tensions in Israel in Gaza, let's get to the news House republican leader, Kevin Mccarthy had a banner day on Wednesday. Dan, work up, went to work

through less Jamie, because she believes Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the twenty twenty election went to the White House Talk to Joe Biden for ninety minutes about infrastructure. data, the White House get a question about the big lie and then said this, but I don't think nobody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election. I think that is all over with we're sitting here with the President today, No, of course not. Why would anyone think that there is a need, another clip and President Trump One this election? So the one who's listening, you believe in every legal vote needs account. You believe in american process joined together. Unless stop this So I think we ve said everything there is to say about the other Cheney cancellation, but I have gotten a bunch of questions from people about what comes next for the never trumpet. Meant list. Cheney hasn't ruled out a presidential bed more than republican officials also released a letter this morning threatening to form a third party. Three, it's a letter

it really is a letter dance strongly worded at that is aware. You think this is the end for the GEO pay. What are you I don't even know what to say at this point it if you haven't left the Republican Party. Yet what is stopping? there is what you there? We eliminate you party system for better or for worse. It is For worse, when one of those parties goes off the deepened, There is the only way to stop the authoritarian march in the Republican Party is not to write a letter, not There are well organised by anonymous, if I remember correctly, to eight miles daily, yes organise the letter. what the way to Southern Lebanon Party is to help the Democrats beat the Republican Party, so fucking bad. have no other choice other than the change They are doing and abandoned truism, but they

not going to change, because people who already dont like them keep reiterating that in media outlets not read or trusted by republican voters to come on people get on board. Like Liz. Jamie has, like all of the least popular policy position. She's like a neo con loves tax cuts. She now doesn't like Donald Trump. There's, there's nothing in the republican base that loves anything about lives, Cheney. a lot of than ever trumpery. Look. I appreciate what a lot of than ever tempers are trying to do. I appreciate that they have risked their careers too, to try to do any. to stop Donald Trump, but they have no constituency. They have no their constituency is like like resist. Its accounts and like some paneless on MSNBC, like I just saw there's no. There is oh constituency within the Republican Party for some

anti drug movement. We ve known this for a while now so whenever, like I was a huge like look, it is a huge deal that that they ousted Cheney, but it doesn't mean that Cheney suddenly has more power to shape the Republican Party, just don't see any evidence of that. I guess it says a lot about how sort of Washington DC media are works, that the ousting Jamie was the moment that so many of them are like. Oh, these, people are seriously nuts. They really die out democracy. It was in the moon, people who are being disenfranchise all across the country or all the other things they said it was when the daughter of a vice president from the most establishment republican family other than the bushes gets too. they're like oh, this could affect us right. We sort of like, where in writing de Santa scientists, but are suppression bill only on fire in France and all their borders were like. Oh, the ant,

democracy thing is bad for meat who so we ever got the one thing I would say about which any is not going to be. President states she is not going to. When the republican nomination is economically the democratic domination. I do wonder if there were, if proper, to run again There were a. If she were to run as an independent, whether that will actually be helpful in defeating troublesome much the way in which a third party candidates you align themselves essentially against Hillary Clinton, became a place for people to go on count wore her an trump and so I think there are some who think about in twenty twenty four, as the independent independent did. We will because of the way these things work is very possible that there could be a similar uptake and third party voting and that could that can make it if its a good either either way right here,

We have a problem on our side to you and I will say to be fair because I was just saying I haven't seen much evidence there. There was one piece of evidence: acts Yos, released a focus group with about fourteen people who voted for trumpet twenty sixteen and then voted for binding and twenty twenty nine of which said they would cost We are voting for a publican in twenty twenty two mid term. So ninety nine Biden, voters from twenty twenty who say they might go for Republican MID term- should be a flag for all of us, but of them, but one I think said that they strongly disagreed with the Republican Party purging Cheney. They think it was bad. They think it makes them follower. They think it makes them just like followers of Trump, with no mind of their own. So I don't think it was was an approved by at least some Republican some swinging Republicans, but is that, like? I beg you to remember that in twenty twenty two? Is that going to be enough to make sure they

for Democrats, I am doubtful, but of course will see how this will no doubt with its be sure. No one is good to remember this by the time the TWAIN relation comes around oh that I wasn t has started early spring of twenty twenty and known. Remember that when he went to the polls I don't think the ousting other members who knows you will never heard of in a job, as you will have heard, This can make a huge difference. Noise waited with more what it says about the Republican Party in the other. Things are going to do because of its because what it really is yet you say I gotta is like that whether it will be ongoing radicalization up the republican party. Yes, the assertion that twenty twenty Serbs that's area, then we shall be scared about is essentially what they do is they put the Chinese had on a pike too. as a message to all other Republicans that you either get on board with elections after you get perched, and so that's the thing that is the most scary. I had the most telling same yesterday was from a republican congressmen from Florida representative, Byron, Donalds he's.

If you had a member of the democratic leadership and said Baden, believe in climate change, any more do you think they would still remain in democratic leadership. I don't think so. Checkmate congressmen got us It's so tell I because it's like what for them what's must improve, is that the ring in file, says the same thing and believe the same thing as the leadership, even though its patently false I understand that his analogy, enthuse analogy. I give a Democrat didn't believe in climate change. We would want them leadership because they don't believe something. That's true: Every time there is one of these hearings or one of these things happened There is a new member of Congress Republican ever Congress. It. I discover that I've never heard of that. I find I yeah so fucking nuts, but you have you know all the core there's like living Gomer embargoes. Aren't you know the crazy ones, but no theirs. a whole other batch of anonymous lunatics out there I got Iowa,

that we find out yesterday. This is on the day that lives. Cheney is purged, for embracing the fact that Joe Biden is legitimate president and in trying to speak out against them trumps role and inciting an insurrection at a hearing on the January safe attack on the capital. That happened. Yes, the same day that China gets purged republic, encouragement, Andrew Clyde from Georgia. Who is he never heard of him before now? He said quote: if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from January. The sixth you'd actually think it was a normal tourist visit. He thought ya know at what I saw it on the on January. Sixth, that definitely look like a tourist visit, usually in it with tourist visits. They threatened to hang the vice president and an environment Lee assault, the capital that is typically what a tour group does

been this pandemic for a long time. People may have made. I remember what it was like when we gathered in crowds, but there wasn't like that. It wasn't like that. Let's go to Wednesday's weight has meeting given Mccarthy also told reporters afterwards that cancelling trumps corporate tax cuts to help pay for the american jobs Plan is a red line. The Republicans won't. Ass it just minutes after the meeting ended. so the meaning ends demagogy. Do you know he says, of course, Joe Biden is illegitimate presidency that we had a good talk for ninety minutes. He said a fund raising text just minutes after the meeting ends. That says quote. I just met with corruption, Joe Biden and he still planning to pushes radical socialist agenda to the american people, to me, like somebody's ready to make a deal when it will mean we should just ass. The producers to keep your eye on the text as its possible infrastructure could get done. Why we're recording we are so close.

John infrastructure is calling it that's the way, as well as its with somebody with the hashtag infrastructure is calling, which is. Why are we using that? What does that mean? What what that is? So many letters, hashtags dumb? What does that mean anyway? How much more performative bi partisanship do you see? Biden has to do before Joe Mansion and Cares and Cinema already passed this bill. Without Republicans, I think we should stipulate that Joe Biden sincerely would like a bipartisan May he thinks it with Croatia. It would be good for that country when the other key thinks it would be good for the Senate and maybe foster some working relations and some other things like police reform, etc. I think you think it would be good for him politically if you were to run for relations like if you're a real proof point about his deal making in his unity message, but I dont think he is as any shred of naivete about

the odds of it and what all this is about is getting to the point is you hinted your question where Cherson Cinema in Joe Mansion can either of debt convince themselves or feel comfortable going back to their voters, that they tried everything possible. Republicans wooden come on board because it you'd others. Those article put a good political today, their people pushing like, just go just go just go. Why are you doing this? The rest? they're doing it is they do not have fifty votes to do somebody, reconciliation You're not gonna get that and you get your measures in cinema and they feel compelled for reasons that are sorted by following to me, but I don't get a vote here too try. As far as I can a bi partisanship, and then we saw no it'll get yes, but they're not gonna get two years before that point, so this meeting had to happen, the beating the brightness and with rubber consideration. To happen. Railways have come back with a counter offer that is insufficient, and then we can go from there

I just don't know, even if everyone was doing this in good faith and wanted to come to an agreement, how you get too yes, when Republicans, So republicans have drawn a red line on taxes. They will not. It will not support any kind of tax increases to pay for this plan. They want a bay want user fees to pay for that for the plan again, which is a tax increase on working, a middle class people, as opposed to. Ignore tax cuts for the rich, but he was so they want user fees. So let's say venues: ok, no tax sites on the ridge and also know user fees. Neither I'd really wants to add to the deficit and end pass this plan without paying for it. Right, I mean Biden has said he find isn't rule that out, but he said he's resistant to that Republicans have said they don't want to. the deficit. So how else do you pass the play house? You come to a bipartisan area, be theirs that there, it is not, it is not possible in a substantive way.

say the political concerns. Both these small bore photo concerns within trying to get a bunch of moderate Democrats in the house. And the Senate to support a debt financed plan. But if there is for a time or things finance to debt fight. Its infrastructure? Were you pay for it now may you benefit from it for decades. There will be the method that is. I don't do that achievable with these narrow margins in the House and Senate, which is why we are not doing the user fee republican plan is something that we. a driver, trucks row. I now I should like. I said this: types of others on Monday with Tommy we're time today. I have heard a lot of people democrats hammer this use if we think this is like a fucking gift, you kidding me Joe Biden. The Democrats want to ask highly profitable preparations America's wealthiest abatement restructure. The Republicans want you to pay for it, while protecting tax breaks for preparations and donors, What

the cold outward. I know that's gonna, know pollster pulse there, but I I would hazard again I would add our would turn out. I was wondering how, like I know their meeting probably right now- is a record Biden and Shelly more capital in some other republican senators about her counter offer, I'm guessing that they pay for that by just doing some accounting tricks and saying they're. Moving around unspent cares money here, blah blah blah, probably suffragist, The deficit republicans want to pretend that it won't so like. I could see some kind: a fuzzy math there by saying I will add to the deficit as we used unspent funds and we southern raise taxes, but it still seems like it still seems, like quite a stretch. What's also fake, because let's say that Biden, capital major problems come to a deal on seven hundred billion dollars in infrastructure, Anyway, they we come some pay for everyone's fine with whatever you do it, but if you're, the Republicans are we

some of the Republicans would do that because if coming right on the tale like the binds next plant, is to pass a two trillion dollar american families We enforce all the other stuff from the american jobs when that was included. The bipartisan deal on a party line vote what is the incentive for that? What the report cats are trying to do here. I think is two things. This is why there should be a clock on this. The first is they. They also have to show p. All that they are trying to do something right. They cannot. When the house in the Senate on the insurrection is vote or work, and so they have to look a bit like there's almost people like the ones. They focus group you mentioned, who naturally default quite stupidly in my view, but naturally faulty divided government, and so they have to show that they are a worthy vehicle for some sort of up governmental opposition about and if all you do is Outlays Cheney and do a bunch of anti vaccination should seem You see that's less likely, the second thing. They're trying to do is burn clock

a better chance of winning the election. The less stuff Biden dies in every day that by passing, something is a day that he is not going to get back in, so That is why the longer they can drag out these negotiations. Oh you wanna meet on Wednesday Razumihin. Sorry, I'm busy we meet the following Wednesday is another. We did it. The Senate is not legislating on the binding agenda, and so this is where you have to make this very call about. When do you want you done enough to prove to Cinema, and, frankly others. I think that you tried and it is impossible, When have you tried to long to the point that some important parts of Europe the origin are going to fall by the wayside? As you ran out of time,

only incentive Republicans to reach a bipartisan deal on infrastructure is. They might think that if they get a big bipartisan deal passed on infrastructure, it will take the wind out of the sails of the american families plan in the eyes of perhaps Joe Mansion, Carson sentiment, other moderate Democrats, and so then those immigrants. I oh, we just passed a huge infrastructure bill with Republicans by partisan when for everyone, we got some abandons agenda pass. Are we really going to do this Democrats only american families plan with all of this stuff that Republicans don't like air? Let's keep pushing aside, and so then, maybe you take away that second wind from, but that might be the only. That would be the argument for that. I agree with that. With one amendment which is, I dont think its american families plan the worried about. I think it's the for the people act and on those voting Rights ACT, that's what they really that's where they, ultimately, they really care about, is being able to create a contacts. It makes it impossible

Fgm action here to Cinema, to agree to some sort of filibuster reform on something like that. If we pass american and these pan they have as they actually just words our principal they'd also know what you're have that when that is, if they can be repealed. Then I'm dying in some in somebody performed by. As No there is we ve got a hundred times their chances of taking. The house is dramatically increase by failure to pass before the people act and if you can, if you can bi partisanship before then, you can run out the clocks in particular, artisan gerrymandering ban in the fourth people act even if by an inhuman policy, decide to pass this thing. With only Democrats, the Washington Post reported this week that binds tax plans are making some rational Democrats nervous and that their hearing donors who are anxious about political ramifications of raising taxes before the mid terms, the stories as that

congressmen Sean Maloney who's, the chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The Dietrich policy has privately warned. The tax plans could hurt vulnerable House Democrats upper election in twenty two me too. Well, the donors say so then what do you think? I know you? I know you wrote a message box about this on Wednesday, I think this is insane. It is true one of the craziest thing, I've ever heard to give it the benefit of the doubt to converse money. This is anonymous. Report has set this publicly, No, why all of the reasoning is. I have no doubt that allows of moderate Democrats, have told these are perceived as they financing closer this? They believe this. We know this because they consistently unburden them's, loves anonymously to political and access and other people always outhouse ourselves will never stops being helpful and divide us where we say denominator: monologue people had by

every bit of common sense in every bit of pulling says that have Democrats were to walk away from a big fight over raising the corporate tax rate in raising taxes. If he will make number forty thousand hours will be walking away from probably our single best message for holding on to the majority that is available to us, it would be a historic case itself sabotage. Were we to do that? I would give this one pull number on this, and I know we have some other points argument a second, but in a way a roll call from the navigator, which is a democratic pulling consortium that does not really work, the a divine plan to raise taxes on people make over four hundred thousand dollars a year is supported by a majority of Republicans who make under fifty thousand dollars a year? And so we we talk about this a lot, but A huge strategic unheard of the Democrats is to drive a wedge in the republican coalition by

showing their working class voters that the policies of the party are Pro Corporation pro Wall Street and be paid for by the working class, and so here we have a plan, It is supported by a majority of Working Class Republic of ours in walking away from it would be just a gigantic mistake. I don't understand it yeah we, you know we have brain appalling with our friends the data for progress. We just conducted exclusive Paul on this very topic. You can find it on crooked dot. Com right now go. Take a look. We we wanted to test the american jobs plan in the american families plan, which are both wildly popular in this pole between sixty and seventy percent support, depending on how you frame it, but then we asked people know Paul has done as yet. We asked people to pick the three

provisions that they think are most important to include in the final bill. Out of all the many provisions in the american families plan. In american jobs plan, in which so we wanted to know what people found most important, what they like the most here's, what top the less lower the cost of healthcare premiums, lower the costs to prescription drugs pair roads, bridges and highways, clean water, so lead pipes and very popular reform. Corporate taxes to remove loopholes and ensure corporation pay their fair share. That was the number three most important priority, not just for democratic voters, but for independence and Republicans.

here's what I don't understand it like the the Dietrich will see they hire all that. You know these democratic concerns. They did they. How are these democratic posters? It's not like there looking at completely different pulling like where, where they getting this from to me, if I wonder if it's not what that, what they're scared out with these moderate members are scared of some of these concerns and posters are not the message that you know. Democrats want to raise. Taxes on the ridge and rebel becomes one raise taxes on you, but that there are Fraid of Republican lie about our message, which is that Joe Biden wants to raise everyone's taxes gee. I think that's probably right it. That lie is coming whether we pass the corporate tax Skype or not. and it is very, easy to trick yourself into saying Republicans lie so we can do in ever. We want an open consequences for that, and that is simply not true reply of learn about us. True in the last election: yes, why the importance of the corporate tax pay for it?

Is you need to be able to tell a story about why Republicans oppose something that vote, assume everyone supports, and this is the trap Republicans of waters. Centre which, as they say they agree with Joe Biden, that we need to rebuild our roads and bridges and infrastructure? and the only reason that they will not work with Joe Biden to create these Paying jobs they say or are necessary is because they are unwilling to ass corporations to pay one single dollar. In additional taxes. They are unwilling to close loopholes for companies that shift jobs overseas We are also in to see single, most popular message in every campaign we ve worked on it. Decades. I almost hope. If we that we leave that out of the final bill just so we can run on it again, but that's probably and we were either way either way we will get started It's only be able to tell a story about what we are going

when these elections intransigent before by making sure that voters understand the Republicans are fighting for corporations story with good guys and bag eyes and who you're fighting for, and we lose that if we cannot demonstrate their opposition is because of their fealty, to their proper donors. I am really just befuddled by this anxiety in that Washington Post story on the tax issue. If you are a democratic and seldom upholsterer strategist, a member of Congress who who thinks that are now says here is wrong. Please come ipods. America tell us why. I I want to hear what I really that This fund is anonymously speaking to Washington, Post, that is, there is a real trip, but just come on. We'll have a conversation where, because I can't understand it, it is literally the most popular issue that the most popular shaken. Imagine is this like tactics on the ridge and even tax hikes like prick. acting. But the way I was framing it when I talk about it was its protecting trump tax cuts for the rich,

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for a period of more than fifteen years, very same system, very different results, so Tucker Crossing has been doing this almost every night for the last three weeks tongue, millions of people that, according to government data, nearly four thousand Americans have died after getting the covered vaccine. So they shouldn't feel pressure to get it. This made me very angry, so I tweeted Tucker is using, it showed a spread, Anti backs conspiracies and then Fox NEWS in your political analysts, bright Hume, replied to me that my statement was flat out false and that Tucker was just asking questions about the risks of vaccines based on government a damned you want to try to answer those questions for Tucker. That he's just asking where to Begin- let's wait. Let's begin by by telling.

People why you so wrong. I feel that we should start. Then we can talk over the political ramifications. More financially is ok. Why Tucker, causing zooming is using data from a self reported database? about the effects of vaccines. This data bases Bay, which serves real purpose for people who care about science in truth, but has been abused by the Anti backs movement for a very long time, pre even predating baseless, by which the most important, and here is that this database says that indicates it some number people died after having the vaccine not did they died because they too vaccine when you vaccinate tens of billions of people, some of, We're gonna die just like wind. Theirs we'll get a car wash some of them die after getting their car wash, they didn't die because they got their car wash. You can do this with almost anything is a deeply dangerous propaganda tactic. People use conspiracies here ass usual time to take a and b

explain. How would you will see when there to completely separate thanks? is about the vaccine, adverse event reporting system that the government runs. Basically, is this system, where any time someone dies who has had the vaccine? You can you can report or, if you just an anti anticlimax conspiracy, you can report it that this system does not, verify any of the data or any of the stories it just has it as an open source thing for anyone to look at, and then it starts its researching each story to see. If there's any any link- and in fact this easy did research all of the stories about people, possibly you know dying after the vaccine and said quote a review of available clinical information, including death certificates. Autopsy medical records has not a stable, a causal link to covet nineteen vaccine, so the government says there is no link at all after looking at all the data, and otherwise

you have unverified data floating around on a website. The Tucker Carlsson and Anti actors are using to so doubts about the vaccine thousand people die in the United States every day of all kinds of causes. So the fact nearly four thousand Americans have died. Who happened to so get the covert vaccine, which now a third The country has received, doesn't tell you much, especially because the first people that we vaccinated are elderly and frail people who have a lot of conditions. So, of course, a lot of them are going to die of natural causes anyway, because their very very old and MRS, what Tucker Karlsson is doing now. What Why don't you think any of any of our foxes so called straight news? Reporters don't point out that their colleagues, is spreading misinformation that could cause people to get sick, and I some of them probably agree with across it.

Maybe there's a sets itself like audience of people who join a propaganda network, that shells fer a dangerous authoritarian president profits off of racial division conspiracy. There is so that, like study such a representative sample of american journalist or the american public. But the other reason is: they are irreplaceable They work for Tucker Crossing. He makes the money he is the they can't fire, so bread bear someone. Who is some wanted by journalists is he's us. maybe he's a little raises serious journalist. Tucker Carlson's audiences three times, Brett bears. Fox news can hire anyone to replace repair. Any legged put John Roberts there they could put bill hammer and ass. No one cares did here, there's no constituency for Bill hammer outside the people who make the invite

as for both parties in Washington, DC economic areas and operate there, so he is irreplaceable and regular or break you or any of those resources were to be fired. They will work in major television. Again they are damaged goods, maybe you can get a job co hosting a panel show with more halprin on new smacks without Megan Kelly went to NBC took a whole bunch of money. Let yourself on fire and got fired and also support case, which is a very modest Very serious line of work is one or the easy, while chefs man left Fox with Real Chris, Nobody because he was a port, the wonders reported we stood up to Four carlsson and sham handy for some of their lives he went to see every single handed of money. No one watches his show. As far as I can tell, and so this is it If you want to be, they have nowhere to go in television to leave. If they we fox and foxes, not care. Tucker girls. It makes the money handed, he makes the money.

Our Ingram makes the money these guys are just they are propaganda, adjacent, you're just there to try to launder the propaganda. the mainstream opportunity to be news reporters, and so there are the anything annoying as they ve all been vaccinated they're all go youse gonna say that you like, and we know this because some of them eventually spoken about air bright bears been vaccinated. Does the cast a fire I've Jesse waters on that accrues vaccinated. Yet no there, the Murdoch's but Rupert. Who owns the whole Fuckin poisonous empire was one of the first people to get the vaccine. which is a sign that there is something wrong with the universe, my God Oh, I should note everyone that what you said about bread bear an him. Just you know being a teleprompter reader. Essentially you you did tweet that and that caused you to immediately get blocked a hypocrite,

Work you got that when these are these free speech, anti cancer culture warriors who didn't want to be in their saves basis, the only thing I'd say, prepare and I've never like each other. We of artists, for each other goes back a decade. I would never, really pretend that he was the serious journalists that he thought he was add away from it walking me. I know he read my tweets. Are they have that yet as we already know that Europe needs a this, is what's really insidious about what Tucker is doing,

an RON Johnson is doing it as well that America's dumbest senator he's doing it on hitchhiker show. I Tucker show right so they're all either the there's a homeless people doing this in the insidious part. What they're doing is there not just out there saying, don't take the covert vaccine against the dominant I backs because they know that that's that's too much and they're not gonna, be persuasive, and so what they do. Is they just throughout that? I'm just asking questions Brit you yelling at me Tuckers just asking questions he's not here backs he's just ask some questions. So then, of course, this, like random twitter person, replies to the argument that Brit Human eye are having and and rights. Thank you, Tucker Carlsson and Brit Hume for stepping up in talking about this. I feel like the vaccines, will cause a lot of deaths and do not want any of my family to take them. Congratulations, brick, Hume, Integra Karlsson. You ve convinced another person not to take a life saving vaccine. That's what you ve done! Congratulations!

it's really I mean look and Dockers has just asked questions. Invite someone on the show who can answer your questions. Part of that during this twitter change to doktor, expensive, Columbia University. He said, he's tried to contact, Tuckers produces multiple times. Did he go on the show and talk about Tucker Book, TAT, Fox and anyone it fox news. Bright, Bear Criswell Ass, any of you called straight news. Reporters. Do us a favor book, someone on one of your shows who can talk about the safety of vaccines, a medical expert, a public health expert? If you're, not if you're, not if you're, just asking questions and you're not afraid of the answers, then you would happily have someone on your show to give the answers. That's what you would do unless that you, unless you just want to spread Anti Vax conspiracy,.

I'm not gonna hold my breath. I went home my breath. Aren't we want to end by talking about? What's probably the biggest election this year, the Virginia Governors race in November, which at least one political analysts thinks could be competitive after years of democratic wins, Yanks. So here's what we got Popular democratic governor, Ralph, North M is term limited and he has endorsed former governor tearing the college to replace him voting, has already begun in the June Eighth Democratic primary, where Mccall of currently has a huge lead over his challengers, one of whom former delegate Jennifer Carol Foy will be talking with data just a minute. We ve also reached out to them a college campaign and hope to have him on soon as well so the democratic site on the republic inside this week, the party nominated first time candidate, Glenn Young, can a Trump endorsed former Carla. Our group, CEO worth three hundred million dollars, ran on a platform election integrity. Well, look at that annual

Even the north, and one is two thousand and seventeen race by nine points and Biden won Virginia by ten points. Cook political report, Dave Wasserman, said quote: I think Republicans actually have a good chance to win the Virginia governor's race this year and also tweeted quote Dennis shouldn't assume Virginia's Anti Trump shift is automatic. a durable pro democratic shift were you is shocked by that. Take me what what staves reasoning there. hit. His reasoning is essentially that a large swaths of Virginia reacted against trumpets. Why has a strong results in seventeen, eighteen, nineteen and twenty? And the state had been much closer prior to that, so he is assuming that there is a possibility with a solid republican candidate, that it could be more compelling he clerk, he went on to say less than fifty more than twenty

five percent, I think we're gonna, be we decided that that's a good chance, but it certainly makes it better for you. So this is what I would say about that. Democrats, one Virginia in two thousand- and one and two thousand and five and both governments the two thousand six or seven race, the two thousand and eight Senate and presidential race, the two thousand and twelve presidential set. A race did two thousand and thirty in governors race between those in seventeen two dozen sixty, whereas through those and seventeen governance, race, two thousand and eighteen Senate raise two thousand and twenty presidential race and I left out the two thousand and nineteen say legislative basis so dominant one before Trump and through trumpet and very well mistake, the state is very early demographically, moving more to the demo that's an the shift, as Democrats have become more. A party of suburban voters India is a state that has a high percentage of college, educated voters who would become a part of our base, so it makes licence

the thing I left out in their which I think is relevant to instruments for which I don't necessarily disagree with which two thousand and thirteen return. Mccall was elected it much closer raised and people thought and it in Mccall of one in part, because Republic is nominated, a terrible candidate includes an ally and there was a libertarian Kennedy who gotta think six or seven percent and recall of one or two and a half. I believe so that was a very close rings. I also look out two thousand and nine. When the Democrats lost the governess race there, what is the same between two thousand and two thousand and twenty one is you had it is safe, but it both As Democrats at one had had the governorship for eight consecutive years and just tricks no way over the course of History its aging somewhat, because polarization is harder to win three in IRAN, and so there is a chance about with the other thing that clearly informs while sermons point as for the first time in a long time the Republicans did not pick their worst possible. Canada

man to chase who was a far far right, trompe candidate was running through life. But she was. She was that shows that the riot on Jerry said she would end in two thousand dollars is all relative. This is relative who's, the who's, the european candidate You know just to give you the Virginia Republicans, essentially to shoot themselves in the fuck, as they do this by convention, that by primary, so the active space, a lot to do with it into them. In eighteen. When they're looking for Canada to run against TIM, came, they nominated Corey Stewart, In our rapporteur of the confederacy and in case you fond and hoary Stuart Confederate eyes met his deep ties and state of Virginia that be incorrect he was raised in Minnesota. Swear they carpet. Confederate, Whizzer their choice. could you tell us macabre a terrible choice. Now I ask think, because compared to cushion Ellie, Amanda Chase and curry Stuart hike in is a good candid. But he is still a big,

why? Believing Trump endorsed more very Wealthy headphone executive, which is not a great profile on paper I think you can run against. Glenn young can as Trompe Mitt Romney. although you know, like all the better If we had in twelve of running against a really businessmen, who also was proposing cutting taxes for the wealthy in cutting services like. I really think that you use the fact that he was the fucking Carlyle Group, ceo of all the places, the Carlyle group Carlo, your Carlo group, that has done a deal to force Taylor, Swift, rerecord, all her albums, because they they took away the appeal that that's that's and your house. Yes, bedsteads and border my household breadth of incidents and it's a big issue and this race, but I don't I dont see going young can who you're right like ie camp. He has trumps endorsement. He said he was on TAT,

during the primary saying. Oh they call me another Donald Trump. I say thank you like he has these these common in and then saying that election integrity is what is most important in the primary now he's gonna try to pivot he's already trying to pivot for the general by trying to like distance impelled self from Donald Trump, like, I think, he's not dumb, but I still think because of the demographic make up of the state because he's a multi millionaire a hundred times over hundreds attempts over who's running on a traditional republican platform and has embraced Donald Trump. I still think you're gonna have a tough time, even though he is less trompe than the other candidates there. The whole conversation base off the wall sermons we too for very good reason. His voice carries a lot of weight And the income is a zero rate. Analyzed YO and he was grain, is great analysed and he was right about a lot of supported us in sixteen that others, including speak on the spark ass wrong about right, but the weight The debate played on Twitter was not the new ones.

reaction to the new wants point that Dave was making. It was some people say while Dave says the Robins we're gonna win, and they must be what that We'll Democrats, you say the Democrats killers nobody's. They are always going to mercy. Democrats can't win, think we're customers, writers, Republicans, have a better chance and you would think, given all of the data that I just put out there, but that doesn't mean they are favoured and Dave said Yeah and data is a guy solving their underdogs by they may have a better chance than usual. That's all! That's! That's really what about them so I know you're talking to Jennifer girl. For soon what do you make of MC caully fleet in the primary and the dynamics of of there is clean people and I know this were virginia- has a completely insane law. The governors only serve one term consecutively ad we'll call of wise governor for existing thirteen. Seventeen. He was

a successful governor who is very popular when he laughed he would have run for real action in a state with a without this insane law. An certainly would have what given the results in that state it's not surprising that he is leading us ahead of nay my day he has a ton of money and has been spending at on television weather still you know in what are we believe about poles and primary Those who knows, but he is a big weed, There is concern their lot of candidates Jennifer. California is by all analysis, from sort of political pluralism, elsewhere. The only person other lemme call who could win the spine. If there was can radiation among the ants imo call of group out there and let you know pretty significant chunk of undecided. Voter it could become a race, but right now he has a name. I d advantages the events in ITALY in the challenge, for our foreign she- and I will talk about this in this interview- is what

is your best argument to show why the guy who was governor four years ago, who you like them? probably would have. Reelected should not be elected. Now, by that Is this not an easy argument to make to democratic primary voters into different? I can make it a general election, but the democratic primary voters who, like Mccall, if that's hard yeah. I should say I really like Africa, I've always respected her lot. I interviewed her on the wilderness. The first the wilderness, when she was running for delegate for the first time and sort of discovered her through run for something which we talk about all the time, and I remember Amanda Lippman, who runs run for something at the time, was Ike Jennifer Girl, voice, a star, she's gonna be governor, Virginia someday. She said that back then, and in twenty seventeen- and I remember, speaking toward being like incredibly impress the challenge that she's facing aside from everything you said is like she's running again.

Since and all of these camps, Renee against a very popular former governor who everyone in the state knows and has universal may mighty, because he was their governor really not that long ago, rightly left office and he left office and twenty eighteen with an overall approval rating of fifty four percent. Among Democrats, the perverting was eighty two percent among black voters, eighty seven percent. Eighty- twenty nine year old? Seventy three percent right so like even constituencies that you would imagine a progressive challenger, especially in Africa, for who, if she one would be the first woman. First black woman governor in the country

It even even groups that she would normally try to rely on like approve of Terry Mccall by huge margins. So it's really hard to sort of dent that, especially in a crowded primary, especially against someone with such recognise, nay mighty, who everyone knows that, like you, can't tell people a lot of stuff about term college, but they dont already know, and even when you try to attack Terry Mccall of, I think for a voter in Virginia their think of themselves like why haven't heard about this before and I was around when he was governor for you, so like. I feel like. I know him. So, just a really tough raise Franny Challenger run. I think it is its seat of their still. There's time mean the lectures together is time more

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knew that we need a change and in order for there to be in I'll change, you have to have a new leader. With a clear vision and that it is willing to run and wait until I'm excited to say that you are doing that has helped us, The majority here in Virginia and attractive, fills real good. We unable to dismantle allotted voter suppression, tactics, protect choice, you know and give teacher salary increases and I've kept on our promises here. Emerging expanding Medicaid, cleaner, toxic Kalash, we can only do that if someone's willing to put their neck out into the harping put your name on about it, and so you know, women, able to do that him now we're going to move looking into the 21st century by electing the first black woman governor in the history of our country. Virginia has had eight years of democratic governors. As you said, the trifecta for the last few years. Water things that did not get accomplished over those last

eight years or even the last four years since you ve been in office that you would want to see done as soon as you were elected governor, the it's really bout, making gains on the progress we ve been building and so on we ve had a really good start, but under for careful administration. We will be bolder. We will transformational because it for us to really do so. The gate, our schools in our communities. We have to make the investment of a current localities to support inclusion zoning and up zoning. So we developers? You know you can the community's, but only if you set aside units for low immoderate income people, that's how you get more cars off the road. People live, they work and you know, will be able to have more affordable housing here. Virginia If we are really talking about having this racial reckoning, the we need down a full pay deals and budgets to uplift communities that have been most hurtin harm by mass incarceration over policing and its investments. So, as governor you know, I'm excited they pass a bill Superman

the use of chalk caused by law enforcement officers, so we don't have the air. on our situation. How pass bills to have it? not warrant will have a we're. Gonna take, situation, but if we do as governor will implement a severe review boy: that's mandatory and applies the sheriff's office as well as in qualified in you need, because accountability is important. You know my protest in passing policies, bills and budgets, and so I think that's what's important and is also important to March and rallies in protest, but we also have to protest at the ballot and boat people, the office will be principle leaders to stand up for communities. You have described former government calleth, who I think most people say, is your chief opponent in this race, a person has been leading in the polls as occur politician. The represents virginias passed. What do you mean by that? I mean that public,

in the past year Virginia lighter Mcculloch. They make great robust promises, but after campaign season they know where to be found. So I'm running for governor because out of part of one of those concerned he's in Petersburg. You know it was once an affluent well, did you community boatman businesses, close jobs left to spare crept in, so we have only to accredited schools and all of this I assume the highest, shall poverty rates, and that is where I am from, and I can tell you so communities just like mine throughout Petersburg, as so there Politicians who are come around understand due to shoulder with special interests, but not with the people of Virginia. That's why he did a bat, When did the inner re undermine castle weapons laws? You know he bought the pipelines to Virginia, which is an ill our mental waste ism issue, because Brown, a black people are more likely to live near landfills pipelines and power plants. You know all these things are what we can expect from politicians of old, but now

How is the new day now is our time now is our turn. Virginia's hide. You know governors who was represented the wealthy and well connected for far too long. Now it's time for a governor who passed paid sick days, pay scale We have a fifteen dollars minimum wage now, not five or ten years from now who fight for the union's and uplift women wages, workers all throughout Virginia. So that's exactly what I mean when I say this waste for governors really clear. It's about verging is pass or they can vote for doing it for bridging his future, which this agenda for California and initiation you laid out and several things that government college did when an office you thought you disagree with you. Thought did not work green up. An afterthought campaign promises what are some specific differences on some of the core issues going forward intervened. Like where you guys us agree on some of the on issues, either worse health care or come.

This is reform or some other issue just so our listeners understand what the difference is that the Bauer really. So this is the two person race between tearing the caliph, and I are. We have the message the resources, the mobilization in order to win this election on June eighth, but we can always uses many people support as possible the main differences between harry. My colleagues and I go and forge is that he'll talk about accountability. But he won't say that he'll, unqualified immunity he's actually made statements in passing that here always come down on the side of law enforcement, we're not the same Virginia of five years ago. We oh how to watches and man lost his life for eight minutes of forty six, seconds under another man's need we stand that, while they are, We could officers out there doing the right thing. If that's not the case, we need a governor who stand up for the people and fight for transparency, accountability and justice and being the first public defender ever like digitally a general assembly, have dedicated my life to this work, helping people from the courthouse to the state house

so I say: don't listen to the rhetoric check the record and my record is getting things done on police reform and criminal justice we talk about environmental justice. You know in Tirana, collupted money hand over fist form one of the number was they corporate donors, impulsively companies and Virginia letting them try to terminate Historically, black community call Union here what the pipeline Compressor station allow Europe people in My community imprints we encountered to be poisoned by coal Flash, which has led us to mercury? That was sleeping people well drinking water and he did absolutely nothing. What did I do? I took on the philosophy of companies and I one cleaner, talking, Kalash emerging, exceeding EPA standards, helping to beat back pipelines and helping. Passive, putting a clean economy at making wishing the first member state to have a hundred percent zero carbon emission standards and ass governor I'll, bring fifteen thousand new renewable jobs to over the next fifteen years, and I will now

we'd, my former farcical workers or coal mining. The high I'll have a jest transition, while also protecting causes and cost effective community in these so these are just some of the ways that we are different. He also that back from deal with it in our re undermining Brazil weapon laws emerging in? For me, I will pass an assault weapons band here Virginia. It worked in the federal level, a work here we had forging attack in Virginia Beach, but are also make investments to have balanced, interruption programmes, because we have the in everyday urban gun violence in Virginia as well. Whatever color have been to make inroads on those policies and that's why Shannon Watts Roma you mean action after it? our money for Gunnar said Jennifer Tool for will be the next Cumnor Virginia, because many of these advocates remember, you know, term cull of pulling in our way into a room and taking them all out the gun,

save the advocates in families were morning there dead children because of gun violence here in the commonwealth? So these are just a few. Is how we different and how I am the champion of the people. Really getting send for the people in Virginia I want to ask you about. You said this: is a two percent rates between you and governor call us How do you explain why you think that's the case? We not put a lot of stock and pulling after last few elections by its the re sort of two two years, maybe maybe the street years? There's governor recall us who, from obviously a name. I d by opening up in the polls and then sort of a group Couple of people yourself included two are in that next year. Why do you think that you know. What is it? What does it look like? you confidence it is a two percent race between you and the former governor yourself

don't ascribed to the polish bolster as much either love what I did say: good use of the term. You ass, though, what I can say is that Virginians are just now turning into this race for governor our election is on June eighth, so we still have a runway and the great Is that we know? Are poles and focus group show that once they here are passive vision for Virginia I know our record. They listen to me speaking Heather passion in my voice that they understand that there's only one true and right and deserving a person who needs to be the next Governor Virginia, and that's definitely me, and so we are. We are galvanizing support all across the commonwealth when have the most aggressive ground game and mobilizing the most diverse coalition of voters. That Virginia has ever seen it. So that's what it's really about the poles that we are fighting care. The most about are the polls on June Eighth, because it's hard to gauge them a message. My exciting,

we're seeing where hearing all throughout Virginia, and we ve seen these poles not be correct. Before you know, I can tell you when I ran for has delegates and twenty seventeen there were totally off. You know and didn't happen me winning in the way that I wine, flipping us eat from red, so blue being outrages outspent cause. This was a red district, carved out for Republican, and I was able to win it in a big way when Quantico a military base and flip areas said had never been turned blue before. So I can tell you that got it wrong before and they will get it wrong again in this race. You know because, at the end of the day we see a clear path to win and that path is ensuring that everyone hears our clear, positive vision. junior. If you are the nominee, you will be running against Glenn young king, who was nominated by the Republicans just this week, talks

about what your reaction to that choice. And how do you see him as potential opponent? So I think that the Republican Party are there really going through. You know a time right now and when I hear from Virginia they tell me they want a leader who understands their struggles and who can late to what they're going through, who has actually walked in their shoes. So I have work, not women away, stop just to get by and bid unable to afford the high costs of health care, and so they know that I don't just empathize with the challenges they face. I understand my husband. I both had to sit at our kitchen table and break out the cheque book to make some hard decisions, and I could tell you that's how I six been able to succeed at the MIT passing bills and budgets that families get ahead.

And that's the story of Terry Mcculloch or Glyn yanking Democrats will only when in November, if we have some who can inspire, you know our people to get to the polls and I'm really proud of our campaign and interacting millions of working families to support our vision. that we built, but we have to remember that during the color of barely eat out a win in twenty thirteen against a divisive bigger liking could generally an Glyn yanking he's offering more of the same. He is trying to point out. He was just endorsed by him as well. We have rejected that here. Ever Jenny Accord, store tried it and so did at Gillespie, and they were not successful because Virginians are looking for an inspiring candidate. Who's gonna improve their quality of life, and in pizza, the kitchen table issues that matter to them. They're not gonna flock to the Poles to elect one out of touch millionaire over another. You know, as you mentioned, the top America

never had a black woman governor before what are you. This will make the Euro you're you're running, to make history both in Virginia. The country. I want to ask you what that would mean both in Virginia across the country, so until you for the millions of young girls of cholera. They are hard to be what you can see. We have yet to have a black woman. We this country- and we have got to have a black woman- lead any state in this nation, but that's gonna end in twenty twenty one because we're representation matters and as the representation that I bring as a working mom of two three or old, who refuse to be potty trained when a pandemic is experience, a brain as a public defender representing black brown and poor Virginians, navigate a broken criminal justice system as a false remark for eight, you there's did this the lens that I see things through fighting for fairness,

quality Inn justice. So people know that I'm in it for the right thing, but let's be clear, breaking down barriers and blazing trails is nothing new to me. That's how I became one of the first women to ever graduate from Virginia Military Institute, one of the top military colleges in this country, and it wasn't easy being the first public defender to ever be elected to the Virginia General Assembly, where there was only one resigning boys down there, which was prosecutors, not about the decisions they make and how they affect communities and children, and you know poverty levels of so many people for generations and so many my voice down there to bring real world bus reform and change. So this is just another point in another time for us to be able to do something that has not been done and I've been told. No my entire life, but the one thing that people will soon learn about me is: is that I ain't no for breakfast, so this will be no different

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