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the last few weeks in a new game where Dan and I will be challenged to create some of our own setting. I honestly forgot we were doing that so yeah me too, but first in case you missed it. Rachel Maddow recently joined me on offline to talk about her fantastic new podcast called ultra, which tells the story of an all but forgotten right wing plot to overthrow american democracy and nineteen. Forty dan, have you listened to this podcast? It is in a chance- that's it make you I was home, are also not offline. I mean I'm I'm! I assume you listened offline. Second, it comes out every sunday, I often times do. I have now have to admit I ve been very busy. I have neither listen to the rachel meadow upset of offline or alter where they are both on my list. Good, altruism, You'd, you would love it. I thought about issues in it: embassies started fantasy, small start at my pike S or very busy, but I'd get there. I thought it was

now you and Tommy who love historical fascism, kind of usually, if we locks think what you only this. Will we love learning? We left the learning. We live information delivered is something other than to enter an eighty characters. That is true also don't miss the newest episode of his area, Erin and Alyssa were here therein, Sandro angeles joined by A candidate karen bass, along with the paneless, you know and love they broke down. All the latest news in politics, live from serious exam. In hollywood you can listen two episodes of hysteria every thursday wherever you get your podcast, is great to see. Alyssa she came to town, was fun and seemed exciting, but very cool. Alright, Let's get the news. We are a little less than three weeks out from election day, which means it's time for all of us to freak out about poles and boy we get a doozy from the new york times that change the narrative about the mid terms in a way that only a nate could do,

Republicans now led, among likely voters on the generic ballot by forty nine forty five erasing the Democrats. One point lead from the time september paul by making big gains with independence and opening up huge. Hugely among people who said the economy or inflation is their top issue, which was most people in the pole, the economy, inflation. Where the top issues for republicans, independence and democrats, republicans now have, as of today, a slight lead of just point: one percent in the five thirty eight polling average down from a democratic lead of one point: five percent about a month ago. Ah dan. What do you think? Should people cancel their new york times subscriptions? Shall we unscrew the poll what's going on here, which we do both now? I think Is this pole right is any port It really is an existential question. Action will tell us.

let's put aside the margin here first, because whether always The margin always put aside the marquis What are we going to do anything differently? Are we going to? Are we going to say we'll get to that? We'll get some yeah We got that that democratic at bakers, like rival, I know to organise this like black I think, is interesting about this pole, as I do think this stuff, underneath the margin tells a story about how the political playing field has shifted. Since the summer, when Democrats had a pretty strong The advantage in the set of races and we're doing much better in the house raises. I think people suspect it so in this pole, the number of voters, where's the economy, slash inflation, as their top issue has gone up. Eight point since the previous ball. Republicans are winning those voters by like thirty ports over the last month or so the economy has become a bigger issue in this race had a habit of the summer, and that is not the product of brilliant

ads- or fox news- it is reality, gas prices went down for like a hundred days, then this are going up they have seen started to come down recently, but they did spike in september, inflation remained stubbornly high thinks there was a thought that it might be sorry to come down. It did not last month and this is really does not just near tat- will do in the navigator Paul you had twenty seven, an increase into by twenty seven points of voters who said that they were now paying more than gatt for gas than they were before of work. Since last ball, a few weeks ago, in a fourteen point, drop in the number voters who said they carry it was getting better, so the economy's become more such off. That is not good for democrats and which leads us to a vote. carnation programme later the part about what to do about it, but that that the playing field has shifted, it is not does not me, were doomed, does not mean it's over we are operating in a slightly worse political environment than we were a month and a half ago.

Yeah and we're in a particularly shitty economic spot, because the fed has begun to hike interest rates, to try to tamp down inflation that has not tamped down inflation yet, but now we have higher interest rates for people looking to borrow money and and and take a mortgage out. Yet again, it's really it's fucking beautiful, as we use mostly either have inflation or weir's. there have inflation fears or recession, fears and right now we have both. Yeah, maybe living through inflation and still in the rough session, fears loom. So that's it. We got right now There is also by the way, monmouth pull out this just this morning, thursday morning. That shows republicans up six in the in the generic ballot. Fifty two, forty four again, if you The margin aside, the overall trend is what's important here and the trend is, as we can tell from the five thirty appalling average moving towards the republicans. As we have a couple weeks. There was another decision not to press enough. There was another depressing follow up

sorry about this times. Pull the next day with the headline. Voters see democracy in peril, but leaving. It is a priority, the peace as that Seventy one percent of all voters believe democracies. It risks as like uh, that's great right, but only said percent identified. That is the most important problem facing the country. The pull also says that about thirty nine percent are registered. Voters are open to supporting candidates who reject the twenty twenty election results. That includes thirty seven percent of independent voters and even to percent of democratic voters. Ah, what the hell do you think's going on there? I didn't, that story depressing either then inspiring. No, I don't. I thought it fucking clarifies yet I'd. Really in in its a reminder that we make politics way more complicated than we have to show their couple points from it to take away from this, one is it's just yet another reminder appoint prisoner,

made to us last weekend that peoples. Personal financial situation, trumps, everything else and before everyone yells gravy. It's about these people that is pushing for rich people. Who were trying you're freaking out of our having to sally pay so that higher taxes- yes, that's great for the average person just trying to make it by to put food on the table, put some money away isn't going to college, have a vacation any of those things, that's life and that's all you weren't you trump esoteric. requirements about political systems in or in democracy. It just always well and probably always should now we can quibble correctly. many of these voters, as we talk about the timetable, are picking the wrong party to address that situation, but of yelling at them, are calling them stupid and greedy, for that would figure out why they feel that way then try to fix it. Yet In end, many of these same voters- and I talked to them- I don't know how many times a month, then people will probably second hear me talking about the wilderness focus groups but like,

Just about everything the voter I spoke to was outraged about the dobbs decision and is worried that republicans are going to move to ban a boy and nationwide and even more states- and they already have- but what they talk about constantly and what they like stay awake thinking about is that they cannot afford to live on their own, like if you heard some of the people, especially in las vegas, who were talking to me that the working class latinos I talked to in vegas talking about like moot, had being evicted out of their house and the having to like pay from oh rooms for three months in a couple hundred dollars a month, because they couldn't even find a rental place that they could forward and then they're living in their cars like it's fuckin real for people. This is not just like a like the the ohio family that complained about the extra gallon of the extra couple of dollars paying for gown of milk and that everyone should on them on fuckin twitter, like these people were really struggling.

Wait. They are wrong. They are wrong that republicans would give them a better life than democrats would under under under republican rule vs Democrat, while they're hundred per cent wrong about that. But it is on us to persuade them of that and if we don't think it's on us, can offer, can just quit now and sit home. That's fine too, if we want to, but if we want to save them, piracy, and we want to make or their own abortion bands, and we want to make sure that people are making more and can afford housing. Then we have to persuade people, we have to do it. We cannot take a short cut. A couple more points on this: pull it off: an argument that we should stop pulling about democracy- It's a word that is a workshop test for people fur citizens on the left, a crook, the threats creasy correctly represent grow our terrorism voters

oppression. Everything trumps dance were on the right thrust. Democracy incorrectly are about stolen hence in voter fraud and for a lot of people in the middle? It is correctly to an extent about corruption government and so were asking a question that the answer tells us nothing if it is brought. We don't really control what pollsters ask, but we do control how we talk about it, and this is or another reminder that all of us- and I put myself- I don't even want to do a fine through my message, back archives of the word. proceed, but we are talking about something using a word to describe in situ a system and our and a problem that does not mean a lot to a lot of people and we have to get away from talking about democracy as an end in itself, and talk more about how this bill civic rights. Democracy threaten the things that matter in people's lives. That includes abortion, that includes or security medicare, that

floods, contraception, etc, and we're we're tat. We are stuck in this like overly online risk. distance, twitter, pod cast lingua, Frank It doesn't matter to voters and it's a it's a problem, and we should take that, like this poll should tell us that- and I think what's most frustrating about it- is that you- and I have known that people feel this way about government, for as long we ve been in politics in our brains are broken. I know I just know you're just a drill down on the numbers dimension, especially with the the largest group of folks in the middle sister so. Seventy one percent, as we mention said that democracy is under threat and that poles or semi one percent of people, but only and percent of those voters, talked about that threat in terms of Republicans trump. the violence, election denial, authoritarianism, all the stuff. We talk about all the time. and, as you said, most summarised the threat to democracy as government corruption govern?

not working on behalf of ordinary people, too much greed, power and money in politics. Sixty eight percent of all voters. Sixty per cent said the government mainly works to benefit powerful elites rather than ordinary people. That is the message for democrats. That is the fight that we have to wage a government that works on behalf of ordinary people, a government that actually delivers in ways to improve people's lives that protects their freedoms that make sure that, like wealthy, powerful elites, don't get to run the government and that they actually have to pay their taxes may actually have to contribute, decide society and they don't get to just tell us what to do like because if we don't make that case, republicans are going to keep making that case about elites, but their elites are going to be like people in the media and people in academia and liberal all and all the other bullshit like that's what they do. We have to have our elite this villains, that it has to be the fuckin, supervised and rich people that are friends with Republicans there

our gouging consumers and trying to like run congress it that that finding is so important because it is, it helps explain why doesn't an eight barack obama beat every member the democratic establish to too with nomination, and why into those Sixteen donald trump remember the republic establishment to win the nomination and also explains why every two years we throw out our congress yeah. I mean things to brag about wanting to designate because of all the rhetoric about unity, and I think that was important to some people, some voters, but We ran relentlessly against washington, corruption, special interest money in politics. Constantly com and here is an outsider, are therefore yet credibility about being able to do something about it. Just like trump reproach you how to deal with that of a different yeah. But yes, I love

It's on the democrats and the rest of us can actually control between now and election day and, let's start with the most powerful democrat in the country president Biden this week. He did two things worth noting. First, he gave a speech where he promised that if democrats win the and add to more democratic senators. The first bill hills in january is legislation to protect abortion access nationwide. Then he announced the release of in million barrels of oil from the? U S, strategic oil reserves in an attempt to lower gas prices, which, as you mentioned, are now declining for the second week after rising for about a month. Let's start with fine speech an abortion. He said a version of this before, though, the promise that it will be his very first bill that he signs in june

worry is new, and why do you think he did this now and what do you think about that strategy? It's pretty clear in looking at the polls. We did that we just that. We've just been talking about that. Over the summer, abortion was a huge driving force in the political conversation and as a motivating factor people's votes that has dropped just as time has gone on since the decision and this summer that, in the wake of the decision, this is wave of republican efforts to particular cause. It happened. The middle of primary season to push these even more extreme policies. They have quickly realized that it's better to not talk about it, advances get in power and then take away everyone's freedom, and so is dropped this issue. So we we always. However, we know it out. We talk about issue salience and what is on people's minds and Biden has trained ray inject abortion back into the

conversations. In that sense, it is a good strategy. It is important because. This is the argument that the economy has risen here, which is not an army to stop talking about abortion, because you don't just pick one issue. You have to use our global issues, but getting abortion back in the conversations is important in this was a pretty clever way to do it by come by. In others like a handful of like news. Hucks that you have a new work in communications are, one of them is the first bill I will send and they pull that went out in a word. Yeah, maybe look, I think there's going to be a whole group of voters who are cross pressured and in that they are very much against the republican position on abortion, but they are very pissed off with inflation and think that, by voting for republicans that they can change that, And- I think what republicans trying to tell those voters is actually dont really worry about our position on abortion. It's not as extreme as you think, and also vote for us, because you're pissed about inflation- and I think we Democrats and clearly need to say, is

Voting for republicans is not gonna fix. Inflation is going to guarantee that their. Worship. Bands and of an inflation will continue to rise and, if you're afraid about abortion, vote for democrats, because they will actually do more to fight inflation and protect abortion. Access like that sort of the message there on the street You petroleum reserve release: do you think that can make a difference and is there anything else? Biden can do on either gas prices or inflation between now and election that it can make a difference, is gonna make a gigantic difference now. Does it continue to help counter act? The various market pressures that come from The war in ukraine and the various shenanigans the saudis are pulling yes, it is. It is helpful, get signal if it, even if it keeps it flew to where it is now or prevents a it's. The gap resort taking back up of that. That is a good, nor do the messaging. Is

it always is with complicated government decisions, a whit all complex because at the same time you're releasing the Spro but you're, also, which is the terrible government term for strategic petroleum reserve. I don't even know what the o is, but whatever you are, in this region which william reserve and your also touting the fact that gas racism in going out for two weeks, those are a little bit at odds, buy from a substantive perspective this week. Help a little bed at least answer. We can't hurt our it so Biden, say: you're running a democratic campaign. Right now already cancel during your time subscription because of the pole and probably something the maggie Harriman wrote. But now now you have to figure out how to help your candidate actually win. You know the economy, inflation or are the most important issues for voters right now. A democracy and abortion have receded as issues may be abortion as I dunno. If democracy was ever a forefront for people

It is not the way that we talk about it. What are you talk about and run adds about and hopefully make news about between now and election? is it more abortion, more economy, more republican extremism, more legislative accomplishments? There was a new story this week. That democrats aren't really running on the inflation reduction act. What do you think about all this? Well, I think as per usual. The this conversation about what the democratic closing argument should be has devolved into a series of straw, man and false choices. Words are we going to stop, never utter the word abortion again and focus on the economy, or you know, or If we just say abortion a thousand times, we will when no one thinks that that's not how campaigns were you have multiple shoes you talk about in a campaign on the stand in ads. in your in social media and in the best campaign,

all of those issues buttress the larger narrative democrats have spent the last nine months or so focusing on republican extremism. That has worked for us, because, even if the poles are closer now all. They are still better than anyone thought they would be a year ago. Just give it the data, the economy they historical. wins the president's face in their first mark mid term, all of the above. So you don't want to. I you don't didn't want undue all of that work. We're just like walking away from your extremism message, but as we develop our closing argument, I think we have to weigh or in a strong populist attack on republic in economic policies. That too is it to the extremists there, and this is not we're not going to tell our accomplishments as good as they are because in a time of which inflation is high,.

we will seem out of such a voters. If we are talking about a bill, we pass, it has gone into effect or stimulus checks we sent over a year ago, but that if that is not enough, what we have to recognize is people's votes on the economy are not about policies if they were, democrats would always win, because if you give people a menu of policy positions, they pick almost every single democratic one over republican one. That is the paradox of american politics. Voters like democratic policies on the economy, but they trust Republicans more and so what we half the way you addressed as you have to a road trust in republicans its people who will fight for you in this time of inflation, and that is to go in the best way to do that and there's a whole bunch of polling from folks extent green. Bargain data for progress that show this, which is kinect republicans to that too. Greedy corporations or profiting off inflation. That is the republicans great, that is their achilles heel on the economy is

voters associate them with people who fight for corporations and the wealthy also in this environment. They corporate wealthy greedy corporations are very much to blame for inflation, Mary, two layers summit personal attacks on their proposals. To cut purely medicare to pay for more tasks cuts for the wealthy and corporations, and you have the The opportunity to just just have to knock a few points off that republican advantage on the economy, and we can win these elections. I was talking to a fair shake here about this for wilderness or bernie Sanders former campaign manager, and he he was making the point that it's tough to tout the inflation reduction act when a lot of the provisions that help people with costs don't go into effect for a couple of years, but he said I do think that Democrats can gain credibility for the fight that they picked

here, and I think, if you frame it as like Democrats took on drug companies to get people cheaper prescriptions, and if you give us a bigger majority, we will go after them again we're picking a fight with big corporations they're using as in inflation as an excuse to gauge can rumours you give us a big majority will make them pay and then all the things that you just said, which is then a road republican credibility on their ability to take on these special interests that are gouging consumers edge and use sort of the fight that we ve picked as democratic ass couple years to give ourselves a little credibility that hey we're in their taken on these rights and will do it again? I think that's right now, think there is just one more like turn there, which is republicans voted against all those things. Yet the threat like you who cited, which, like there's a big fight over the cost prescription drugs. who was on which side right demo, inside of senior as problems out of it, for you can go down the line on a bunch of different issues like that. I think that's very helpful and we live operate in a new era of negative partisanship.

and so we are have more success. Framing the other side, then our side, but you you're right. If you invest correctly, to have yourselves a little credibility for those six by the things we ve done enough We've picked the roles of it. A lot of our viral debate moments over the last week, or so. How much do you think these debates matter and in that are happening all over the place this month and how to campaigns, make them matter well. I can't ever looked at a lot of state constitutions, but it is true that the candidate with the most artes wins that's how it works. That is yet That is. That is the way tat we re election forget perfect while that we're golden egg I mean it where is in this very interesting world of national political hobbism?

where more, I would bet more people outside the state of texas watch, the better work, gregg abbot debates and people in texas, and it s really true and tim about the tim ryan debate. It will probably be sure about the oz betterment debate, Having said that, these are crop because raises everything matters. It is, if you don't get that many opportunities to be in front of a group of people or to draw significant news coverage that might actually breakthrough in campaigns. Debate is a moment and what you think This is why we have these viral moments, and you know this because you were always some involve the present obama's debate. Europe is particularly in a centre, razor governors raised very few people watch the debate. Life. Presidential race. They wanted. Millions of people do watch it, but the moments carry on so you're really focus more on delivering a handful of moments that will extend beyond the debate will get shared on social get press coverage then

person who watches it like a boxing match. The whole thing scorecard one point for oz: one point for variance not how it works. It's. What are people going to see from minutes? Can be the things that travel afterwards, and so that's why we are like in the haiti with moments. We have debates, ragists focused around moments of love, your ship, and we have an array of now, partisans fastened by these races. You wash them online, then sharing those moments yeah the people who were watching the entire debate tend to be people who have already made up their minds and are, as he said, political hobbyists like us, the hopeless and it's the moments that the casual observer of news and pollen You still may vote, that's what they're saying all alright. So if you, if you don't love Paul, so you don't believe in the polls. We surely now are starting to have some early vote numbers, so we can start ring. Those tea leaves. After only five days of early voting in georgia, turn

as already broken records. Its eighty five percent higher than it was at this time in twenty eighteen and voters of color have also increased their vote year since the last mid terms and to target smart in their modeling. What do you think about that? good sign or way too early to be a good sign that a bad sign I mean that this actually important they. This does this mean that state aid, Russia, we're never gonna win now. It does not mean that, but We want higher turn out and we hired turn out among voters of color in georgia in particular so if we are reaching those sorts of levels that we get there long way to go here. We have to remember that debt that early voters overwhelmingly democratic now and so I think we would be deeply concerned if it was underperforming, so this is more like the dog that didn't bark. Yet, if yeah- and I'm also ios are saying this because Elijah was also.

well about this, and as if he were just like crush those hopes. Well, no, I was saying like before twenty sixteen I feel like it was like. If there's high turnout, you think okay Democrats are doing well now, because republicans turn out so much and they've shattered turnout records on their side since twenty sixteen sort of hard to tell where the vote is coming. From I do think that if, if target smarts modeling is right and there in its a higher share of voters of if it photos of color of also increase their share, that obviously a good sign, but just higher turnout in After all, if you dont know where or who it's coming from it sort of hard to guess who that helps, it's gonna be very different on a step by step basis, you, George, actually state where think higher turnout will benefit. Democrats wisconsin, not so much arizona, real.

Question texas, rubber question? What's interesting, there's a you can take this for what it's worth, but there's an echelon insights which is republican data firm, has a they do. Add: turnout demographic modelling and, like one of their conclusions on twenty twenty, was that higher turnout is what made the race closer for republicans than anyone thought, and it was particularly because it was higher. among republican weeding latinos in particular. As these are not people who switched from Clinton to trump, they are hispanic. Voters who had not previously turned out who turned out in this election is. I was a little. There is no far advanced role here and if you don't want to especially incites on that point, and equis research found this exact same thing from Carlos Odio, who has been on this package may times Ok, so still guiding georgia, goodness like. Let's try to add like that was a positive sign- should be encouragement to get involved. So, let's try to, Let's end this section, at least on that point, yeah, and not just like

good news, the you can sit with what you said: encouragement to get involved georgia's one of the many states that has early vote right now, which means that you have the power to help a voter cast their ballot, day, one great way of doing it. As we ve been saying, vote, save america complex volunteer. We will give you plenty of things to do if you sign up phone banks text banks, all the stuff, and you can help voters and early voting states, make their plans to vote right now, another you can do is donate to our every last vote fun to help fund ride to the poles. So in twenty twenty, the collective education fun was able to provide, over one hundred thousand free round trip, lift rides to get voted to the polls and states like georgia that really made a difference. So you got a vote if america com such every last vote, where you donation today can directly help of uttered it to the polls

and, as you all know, every vote is going to matter in this election in the next couple of weeks. If you make calls if you donate, if you help voters make plans, if you can go to vote, save america dot com, you can see. What's on your ballot, you can help frenzy. What's on their ballot, if they're confused, if they're scared, there's so much we can do, and I think, as we learned in two thousand and twenty as we learned in twenty, like f, these states are incredibly close. These races are going to be close, whether we win them or we lose them. It'll be close in that. Means that everything we do between now and the next couple weeks really really matter so votes a mercantile com get out there. I think the most important to take away from this. Pulling conversation is that we could win every one of these key races or we could lose every one of them and what we do over the next three weeks will determine that. That's right! That's right! All right! When we come back, we will talk to one of the candidates in a very tight race

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joining us now, is the democratic fighting to become ohio. Next senator tim ray and welcome to the plot. Thank ceramic. My if Israel Cincinnati she and my in laws are very excited that you're on the pod today, because they have been telling me that you have a really great And to win long before was cool to do so, and this is very good- and I am now Joe borough, but I guess settle for- may arrive at their work, so I've heard a lot it takes about. Why a state that voted for brok obama twice when I took over donald trump twice by a fairly significant margin. What's yours economics I think people in ohio consistently vote their pocket book and they vote for the candidate who they think is best thing to increase their economic security, which is why shared browns been able to win here or not. You know three.

Times and that's why we're gonna win too, because we have such a economic focus campaign for working class people not just call educated people, and that's that's really important near that's. Why trump want be connected with those voters at what rock obama one against mccain and then against mitt romney, and you it's no better than than anybody. The ad you're running those are very economic, sent trick ads, and that's why one and that's that again, that's why we're going to do it too?. that you give an interview with the washington post this week, where you criticise national democrats for not doing more to support your campaign. You said: there's frustration among rank and file. Democrats at the leadership doesn't quite understand where we want this party to be. Where do you think the party should be laser like some based on working class people? all have a college degree. I mean beside again today and in the paper where you know: there's a national democratic consultancy,

and in our north carolina a better state causes more college educated people. I just think that's with absolutely pisses me off about the democratic party nationally. Is that somehow a higher priority for these college, educated voters and a lack of resolve to actually go to the working class. Coming. It is like we ve done, are around the ohio and recognise that the republicans haven't done shit form like absolutely abandoned them. They show up at the local red party. You know county party dinner and it speak at the. You know that that banquet that they have, but they don't do anything for them. They don't do broadband. They don't do

infrastructure and in so we gotta show up there and make the case. I just think given up on a place like all I'll is not where we want to bake as we can win year and I think, build in our robust party here to let me let me just drill down on that, because I've been bang in the struggle for a while myself. Do you think it's is it? Economic messaging are their policies that you think the party should be pursuing that we have in the eu, want to. If you, if you get into the senate, is it about breaking through the the media environment, because the media tends to not cover economic issues and debates as much as they do cultural debates? Yet all of the above yeah, the the the the click bait on on economic issues, aren't aren't always you know as good as as some kind of conflict around a culture war issue and that that's part of the problem too, but

one leaders, you're running for the united states senate iranian first day, what officer or position euro leader you need that? Neither the show someone the ship and that's what we're trying to do here and I do think it's a huge messaging issue. I I still laugh at the you know the old Jimmy carter aide, who said that you know Democrats show up at a gunfight with a ten point policy plan. You know I. I just think that accurately described sometimes how we talk about things and really resonate and try to connect with working class people and we're trying to trying to show the way here, little back in again I read in the paper this morning that you know we're going all in on north carolina because they got more college educated folks is just it it just frosts. May man and the image is part of the problem that that we got to overcome if we're going to be a really. wrong. Sustainable national party was familiar. Your mega opponent from silicon valley, jade events here

said he said the other day that the reason the poles are so closely because voters are wrongly, I fine you as a moderate diet, version of events. What's your reaction to that. Yeah he's so frustrated like he wants me to be. You know a socialist he wants me to do. I dont, like we don't do socialism in young style. That is not how we roll and so he's very frustrated by the fact that that I did agree with trump ill when he renegotiated nafta. I did agree with trump when he had a firmer stance on on China. I didn't agree with necessarily

We implemented all a bit but definitely agreed that we need to have a firmer stance on that. I supported general mattis to become secretary Mattis because he's exactly the kind of guy. We need to be a secretary of defense to have these issues and he's just be so frustrated by it, and you know so, but he has no agenda himself. Like he's got to donors, this is what's really resonating in ohio. He has two donors he's got peter thiel who now wants to become a citizen of Malta. He gave fifteen million bucks and Mitch Mcconnell, who gave them forty million bucks that totally like rescue campaign, we have three hundred and fifty thousand donors. Ninety five percent of those contributions are under a hundred dollars and anybody who wants to go to temperate dot com, the the drop us a few bucks to keep the keep the fires burning here would be very, very helpful. But that's the big contrast here until he's trying to pigeonhole me

into somebody that I am not in ohioans, wanted, independent guy and just say last last name quickly. You know I've taken on my own party, you know and multiple times, and he got called an ass kisser by donald trump on the stage and then gets back up on the stage afterwards. He walks up to the microphone and he says: aren't we? having a great time here tonight- and I I just don't know anybody I grew up with, and I don't know anybody. I know that would like get insulted, have their dignity stripped from them and then get back up on stage to kisses Ass again right there afterwards. So that's what we're dealing with your accent, ted, cruz and actually most of the republican party. I would probably

Yeah, there's a there's been a few of 'em. This alright, so vince also said the other day at or at a stop that, if he's elected he'll threaten to shut down the government, unless Biden finishes trump's border wall, I know that immigration policy is, is one area you've been critical of by an administration on? What would you push for if you're in the senate on immigration yeah, you know again, JD has invested into dozens of companies that have farm workers there. So this is just another example of how fraudulent the guy is. He also tries to have a tough stance on China and he's invested in a couple of these in china again across the board fraudulent They give a comprehensive plan, like any pragmatic strategy, would have a strong border. There's a billion people in the world. A lot of them want to live in the united states. Do not have a strategy to know who's coming in and out. So you do now

the strong border. You need one border patrol. I think we need to go all in on technology, be I started that last year the border technology carcass to figure out. How do we take the technique? I gee that we have in this country and utilise it to try to keep that no out of here to try to keep heroin out and all these things that are destructive to our society. And how do we have a big hearted approach when it comes to refugees, german, I wanna, be separated from their babies. And how do we have on the orderly process to get people when that your ear and back and enable a fine, hastened back faxes, pass a background check and then come into the united states in and help us in our build this great country up like immigrants have always done so. I think that's like a policy that, like probably eighty percent of the people, would think is. It is pretty friend matic idea the prisoner bomb attacks about their policy quite a few times over the years. He was in the windows, so you ve, you ve, also criticize binds decision to cancel student loans at because oh hi was one people

Didn't go to college, I'm totally with you that that those folks deserve relief to, but I also think like ohioans, or are also more likely to have outstanding student loans at than people almost anywhere in the country. Nearly nine percent of relief dollars go to people earning less than seventy five thousand a year, and I was half of all borrowers didn't finish college, so they are some of the folks in ohio. We don't have college degrees. Why do you think those folks don't deserve relief and am very sympathetic? We are still paying off my wife. College loans- and I see what's going on with eight nine ten- twelve in sometimes higher percent interest rates at its usual it's wrong. Ah, I think there's a way to help those people too, I think you're. The best stuff now is to allow people to negotiate

The interest rate a one or two percent, but significant amount of money back in their pockets or they can spend the principle about. But my big issue really is that we don't do anything to solve the problem. There's no there's! No provisions in here to say. Well, we're gonna. Do this this one time because were actually gonna get college costs under control and when, in AK there's nothing in here to do that, so we're going to drop three hundred billion on this and completely eliminate the deficit reduction, art of the inflation reduction act and we're going to be back in the same spot in a in a few more.

First and again, going back to the whole idea of like going all in with the burdens of people who went to college vs. The people who you know bought a truck or you know, tools or you know whatever to to go into the construction business to the construction trades. They need help too. I think we'd better start having policies that are going to help people across the board. How do you bring the price of of college down how'd? You how'd you get to the source of this problem. You know obviously, we'd have to look into it, but I think something along the line it's a lock if you want federal student loans and you want your students to be eligible for that, you can't increase costs past the rate of inflation. You know put some mechanism in the. as that, of course, they're going to want all these people to take out loans to go to college, but he can't keep jacking up the price, like some mechanism like that, and I'm sure we can sit down with a lot of smart people who could kind of help us think through that? But there's gotta be some type.

Ah yes, or moving to continue even like when we increase powell brands, while we increase programmes in all does increase college position, but I guess that's not what you said: I remind you in the home stretch here. What's your closing message to the people of Ohio both for the island my moral island in Geneva Hence the always bought and paid for by image Mcconnell one billion hours before you watch him than the senate, and I'm not I'm for the working class people and the guy super extreme, like he raised money, the guy's and stormed the capital of January sexty runnin around with Wanda Sanderson. What's a ban box. he's right, morale, Lindsey, grandma, wanted bashful misfortune. Fanny says rape is inconvenient like his way out of the mainstream profiles Are people here in ohio are going to vote for the pragmatic economic focused ohioan and we're asking people to help out, go the temporal wage dot com and send us a couple of bucks. We're going after we're all a we're. Gonna win, and you heard it here first I like that

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for joining us is very exciting. Thank you. I am very nervous, but I feel like it's going to go well, if not I'll, be dragged into an office and berated, I'm sure, which is what usually happens to you exactly one hundred percent and I'd well deserve it, but yeah the mid term elections and especially the final kennedy debates have been filled with so much negativity. But we hear cook. I know how important it is to reach across the I'll, even if the aisle is made. lava, and they being offered across. It is a snake that has try. Disease voting machines before luckily, The bait moderators across the country never fail to remind us that, no matter how far apart we are, we can still be little sweetie buys, which is why or ending debates by asking each candidate to say something nice about their opponent. Let's take a lesson other than thing. them for being willing to serve in office? What is one nice thing you can say about your opponent. I've thought about this question I think two malls isn't affable individual who

wonderful smile. I think it's really cool that your daughter's on the voice. We should all be cheering for her and I like your suit, you look good in them and I'm, I think, that's awesome and I hope after the election we can come to terms, and maybe you could take me, she said shopping mister jones. Likewise, I appreciate factory, we turned our barnes had loving parents. School teacher fallen. Word third shift. Sorry you're good upbringing. I guess what puzzles me about that is with that upbringing I see, turned against america in what what lies you find in america is somehow we pause, we did not That's what you said: something admirable powerful stuff, whose daughters on the voice That would be a so that is damage keys, daughter with us on in September. I haven't seen it. I would love to her, but could give so how'd you do. We want the person with the good suits,

would be no, that denmark has the wonderful smile, look he's out of a voice that would be J b pritzker. Oh yeah illinois. You can afford them, so those Erin bailey telling pritzker that he had good since ha. I've seen a lot of you pritzker and that's never been my first take. But what do I know? That's what I think he was probably looking around and he was like that or like there that lamp is good or something like he just got out of suit. Is that you know, and of that of of that those kind words John dad we're play a game or we're going to play a clip of a heinous republican candidate, and I'm going to need you both to dig deep and say something about them. Are you ready said missus? So? Yes, let's do it? Ok? First up we have areas, gubernatorial kennedy carry lake at her thoughts on her own election, let's play the clip. Will you accept the results of your election?

In november I'm gonna win the election and I will accept that result. If you lose, we accept that I'm going to win the election, and I will accept that result so again, that is Gary lake refusing to commit to accept the result of the election unless she wins. Gentlemen, won't you please each say something: nice about Kerry lake or I'd, be happy to I'm going to quote the washington post here or which wrote a lengthy profile on her. Her sepia toned filters that she uses when she does interviews that, I think, are just fantastic. It's a nice like it's a nice things really softens everything up, as I would like as a mace yeah, I wouldn't I wish I could have some healthier cricket meeting. We can. I think we can look into that just get everyone. I'm relieved budget but I mean theorems, that's internationally in camera, money about so here's.

I would say about former news: castor carry lake She reminds me of one of my favorite characterised: will my favorite movies ron, burgundy from anchorman hell, yeah. Ok, I guess. Maybe we could, as it is we really liked that she supporter bravo obama. Own eyes, that is, for my one. Yeah who russia, but she was wont to terrorist Barack Obama was crawling around with a boy. quickly, and I really didn't, really pulled a ron johnson normal speed up. Next, we have ron johnson pulling back the veil on the government's nefarious covert, anti ron johnson agenda, let's roll the club, the up the ice,

add me up with a corrupt with a corrupt briefing and then leap back to smear me. I am sorry he used referring to corruption with the apiary, which I have been trying to uncover and expose. So do we have time for please audience, please so again, there's ron johnson claiming the f b I set them up and then just in case you didn't declare the audience laugh uproariously at RON Johnson under debate stage, Jonadab I'd love to hear. the about of johnson for both. For then you you kick this one, this one up. Where use your power as the host of the episode? however, last I swear. I think it's a lot of people are intentionally funny in that, but not as that, the medical, or unintentionally. Funny in RON johnson is unintentional, comedy

I shouldn't have, let you go beard. A laugh is a laugh. I was going to say that I'm I was going to say that my nice thing about RON Johnson is that I'm just grateful to him for all the content. Wow. It's really close to what dan said sir, and I have nothing else, nice knowing it and that's where will they get next? Of course, we have marjorie tail agreed debate against me, this flowers, during which she said all this, did Joe Biden when the election congresswoman green Joe Biden as the president of the united states absolutely, but you pushed a big lie. There said he did not win the election variations in road, those national terrorism, anywhere selection. We're on your lie. When a lot we get a move on josh railway. I turned to my question how large round ailer growing we advocate away at evident. May I pray for the lackeys and pride that came out so again. That's verdict, integrating that her husband has proof of election fraud. Let's hope

It means that in the divorce gentlemen, I love to hear something: nice, not margie tail agreed from both the eu, and I think it only fair forever. You have to First, this time I appreciate her commitment to exercise the Heavens. I was gonna crossman combat Zero marjorie taylor greed, vivid imagination, river a vivid imagination of out, mind the mind and finally, one is about nevada geo peace senate candidate and a former state attorney general adam lack salt, who is this woman, has big Paul goes on energy. In the wake of this announcement. Let's play the clip. now it is raised to unseat incumbent, democratic, senator Catherine Cortez Mastro today, fourteen of Adam lack salts relatives came out in support of his opponent. So now, given my fourteen members

his own family, couldn't do what you're about to do John, I ask you, please say something nice about him. Some one has do dan. L You start, oh man, that halfway Adam tough one. What is positive about adam lack salt, He walked with a bit of his own drummer Oh yeah, you went broad, you had to go. Bravo, I have two things I that one day I was gonna say he's a georgetown love that is not that I say this as a german alarm. It's not really. An entirely illustrious list of people you, cooper Adam lacks I'll there. At the same time, the trifecta, our allen iverson, was their citizens rights. Us the only thing about adam exult, which is clear from what you just said is he has a really

mark family y- see daddy. I dread raised well said about. Germany did a great job so that you mentioned a great big ears. So fine, I hope things go out the mid term review for the able ass. I said I don't want to hear it will save american backup highly keefer things for joining us. Tim Ryan. Good luck! On the trail! Everyone go to votes of amerika darkened sign up and do some calls this weekend will see next week by everyone. Pod save america is a crooked media production. The executive producer is Michael Martinez. Our senior produced is Andy gardener. Bernstein are produced, or hailing use and olivia martinez its mixed in edited by andrew chadwick. Second, in charlotte, Linda sound engineered the show, thanks to helsinki for irish worth sandy gerard anti taft ingesting how for production support,

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