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Disney plus welcome the pod, save America, I'm John Fabric, I'm dyin Pfeiffer on today show twenty Twond ones congressional clusterfuck barrels to close, as the house reveals, new details about the right wing plot to destroy democracy, while the Senate, rise to save it with a last minute attempt to pass voting rights. Legislation, then former by

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Clinton the beating heart of our thriving Duma. Let's start with the house over in the house, the January six committee ended the year by not only voting, to hold trumped chief of staff mark meadows in contempt of Congress. They have released some of the text messages that he turned over to the committee, including this one, which was sent to meadows by an unnamed republican member of Congress before the Poles closed on the night of the twenty twenty election. Here's what it said quote: here's an aggressive strategy. Why can't the states of Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and other Republican controlled stay houses declare? This is BS and just send their own electors to vote and have it go to the Supreme Court Dan. Who do you think that was what the fuck here's the sad thing? It can be honestly, almost anyone. Anyone not name out of genes eager list Jamie

maybe a Romney, maybe immortal he everyone else is a viable suspect for that text, and I think, in the answer to your question of what the fuck is, what the the way this is, I mean this is ultimately the like the underplayed or under tools for about all of this is just a general republican disdain for the idea that voters should get depict or politicians right. This is what happens when you are minority party in a country with a theoretically majority variant system, as you do whether you can prevent the majority for having their will. The voters are this one. It is. I would save inaccurate description to call it an aggressive strategy. Let's just not carry the votes, while our you know, we talk a lot about the big lie. This is like put the big lie. Aside, put the allegations the false allegations of voter fraud, then no one's be able to find aside. This proves at least for this member of car,

Read this republican member of Congress that all of the voter fraud allegations were completely bullshit big because before there were any vote or fraud allegations for any of this, this person was just like you know what. Let's just fuckin overturned the election. You people don't get to pick who represents you republican politicians get to pick who represent you bad as their platform, that that is the belief at least of this one republican member of Congress, that that we should just overturned the votes of republican Democrats independence, whoever because the people who should get to decide who are in power in this country, a republican politicians and not the american people. That's it don't you kind of elections, the ones Republicans win an illegitimate elections and their might that's how they think about it. So let me ask you this: what do you think President buying the Democrats in Congress making a big deal about this. I e I did some searching before the pod. I do not see many statements. I do not even see. I saw you tweet turn

air from the very online members of Congress, but that's about it no maids very have started thing about this from the perspective of being in the White House. And you should think about like what's on the agenda for Joe Biden and his team everyday, it was his put aside. Just the fact that there is the normal stuff. The president's are required to talk like all other so, and so a Finland is coming today or the USA is somehow tricked us into announcing our new Asia strategy. This week we gonna talk about right up spot like all that other stuff that he has importance in the world. I guess, like those things, this package, but I'm just like. I can't wait to be here's the roads as this in Texas because I know what lessons of this part cast sooner after comes out, then but I guess I knows how I know the pot gases come out is Ben is texted me something we have set up up up up up it's. Why do we?

one with our world OPEC abstracted, but then use thing about like the other, things that are on their a sort of communications department, whiteboard witches you pass the bipolar infrastructure bill. That is a huge accomplishment. What, one of the lessons of previous presidencies- is go, sell your bill, so there are regional. You got the president talking about you, gotta pee, british. Jeanne Secretary Grant home driving a car together. It wiser would have like you're just my mother. As I go also there's a middle of a SEC, Delta surge and honour crimes Cummings we'd, better use. What boycott we had some people to get the get boosters and vaccinated we're gonna. Do that and we get it the case for the pieces of legislation we haven't pass yet, and we also want to talk about democracy and its very its legs very hard. Now. The question will be when

sort of the counter switches and we get into next year, we are making campaigning for the mid terms. What is the core message? What are you gonna pick? Is it Democrats deliver? Is it Republicans or trade to steal? Elections? Is Republicans reverted like we're here to pick s story and stick to it by a third? it is. I am sympathetic to the view of you should talk more about this? Yes, you probably share, but then one of the things you're gonna talk about less right. Well, you know, turbine was asked about meadows and the contempt charge ass. He was going to the helicopter to marine one and he said you know. I think that this sounds warranted. The the committee voting for the content charge. I haven't looked at the text, which I guess you understand look. I understood I very much understand why does has learned its plates. Gotta focus on you know, coming mccrone wave, although legislation trying to get past- or I totally get that I do think that the

and I M a Craddock movement in this country. Right is sort of the biggest overall looming threat that we face a medium term and long term predicting we get her on the midterms and I think that its fine, if you don't you know pop off right as the text comes out right whenever one wants you to, but you know, they're gonna, make a push for voting rights which we'll talk about and in the new year, if the by an administration, the president himself or leaning into voting rights legislation which will hopefully also include some election subversion provisions. I would talk about this. I would talk about this and I think that like if we want we're gonna get to this later, but it also we want the media to cover it more than Democrat sort have to talk about it. You know you have to make a case at some point have to do a bunch of different things at once. We, when you think about this moment in history and which were living and let you flash

What a couple years and an think like all of this stuff was happening. Why why why weren't people making talking more about this, like, I think you can really like theirs very, very dangerous happening in there is a sense maybe it's real, maybe its intention or maybe it's the sense that. a lot of Washington Democrats like people in the Senate. Some in the house may be summoned. The White House are. Missing this threat, I don't know they are really missing it, but I think if you just look at their public statements, you may get the sense that they think think that the Republican Party is more normal and less dangerous than we

get us, and that is it. That is a position we really come to regret yet look- and I am also very sympathetic, but I am sure you are sitting here in the White House here and there should be like, while you think the Joe Biden just talking about it, is going to do what they have not gonna sweep the Republicans out of power immediately no without going to change their behaviour. No like what I do think, though, that like I, was looking for stories about that text. Isaac as Jake, Tapir, tweeted it at a bunch of other people are tweeting it. But when you looked for actual stories in the washing opposed the New York Times, politico CNN, I found like a small paragraph in a CNN update story. Didn't find a lot of other stories about that very alarming text, and I think we again we'll talk about the media's role here, but I think it has to stop.

with you know, if Democrats, if elected Democrats and talk about it, then it's not gonna get covered, and I do think it's at least important for most of the country to know that this is happening and then, if people dont want to make up, would you dont want to vote based on that knowledge than that's all we can do, but they should at least have the knowledge. The other bombshell from Meadows Tex came from one sixth Culture and and long time, resistance hero is chinese, who read aloud messages from Fox NEWS host and even Don Junior, that begs meadows to get trump to call off the violent mob that was attacking the capital. Here's a clip indeed, according to the records, multiple Fox news, costs, knew the president needed to act immediately. They take did Mr Meadows, and he has over those texts quote mark president needs to tell people in the capital to go home. is hurting all of us. He is destroyed.

In his legacy Laura Ingram wrote? Please get him on tv, destroying everything you have accomplished. Brian kill me texted. Quote, can he make a statement? Ask people to leave the capital Sean Hannity urged. As the violence continued one of the past, Didn't sons texted, Mr Meadows quote: he's got to condemn this shit, a sap. The capital police tweet is not enough. Donald Trump Junior texted about those Fuckin Heroes Dan trying to stop the mob bye, bye, texting. Mark meadows and begging him to to get Donald Trump to call it off about. That was Lee those Fox hosts had access to the area.

AIDS and maybe serves over a media outlets. There'd be very influential with the sorts of people who were storming their capital that day Well, I'm I'm glad you mention that Dan thanks to the video team at the Washington Post We have audio of what these Fox House and and done junior the trumpet was Conner were actually saying in public. At that time a capital was undersea by people who can only be described as antithetical to the Maghreb movement. Now there were likely not all trump supporters, and there are some reports at antifreeze. Sympathisers may have been sprinkled throughout the crowd. I do not know Trump supporters that have ever demonstrated islands that I know of in a big situation. They knew. There were hundreds of thousands of people who came to town We also knew that there's always bad actors that will encourage infiltrate large crowds. I don't care if there

article loved radical right. I don't know who they are. They not people. I would support if you already take his speech and compare it to literally any stump speech. You would see absolutely no deviation. What what's the significance of this revelation? If you want to call it that about Fox NEWS Hose and Don Junior in and what do we do with this information? Laugh cry. I don't know both to the really the story twenty one in so many ways the heat. I think this is ultimately more important for the historical record than it is current politics. I think we are everyone with eyes and ears who is willing to look unless it knows what happened. They know these foxholes circle

shut, the problem like Emmy it. It is significant that fox and I think, the most significant. Far from any other taxes, Lord Ingram sameness hurts of us. We're just sort of eight admission that oh look, what we have we share with our lies in our disinflation and our search for ratings and our firing people up over a bunch of election. Bull shit like this get hurt us right like by not discover the capital polices, get hurt democracy. This hurt the people who were my pants or any one else. This get hurt us like. That's why they care and This notable, I guess that they text did the president's chief of staff, not the local, the head of the locally if I were hates, I was pretty sure they know who was responsible but by its We have an historical record that even trumps son, who apparently doesn't have access to his father cellphone, had detected chief of staff.

the problem. I know I really that's a very small thing in the grand scheme of things, but that's pretty fucked up, he couldn't be good text is daddy had to Texas, dad's chief of Staff there's a lot and explains a better vodka had a direct line to dad the one the one he loves. Yes, he added value, but I mean the thing here it like. Yes, this reveals a lot in history, the record of what happened on this day. We now even have people who ve lied about it being caught in those lies, but for the, every day, sixty or seventy percent republican. Simply the election was stolen. The significant plurality republicans you believe, Anti far or someone else was involved in this, and it wasn't trump supporters. This information is not going to change that My group is not a the problem. Is that an absence of facts here? Hey there was a rally where's my trump supporters, Trump tweeted. Until people to go the rally, he then went to the rally heap at that rally

You said the election was stolen. People should do something about it. People left that rally waving flags of wearing mega hats march through the capital scale, the walls JANET around their Trump wine did horrible things at least all that everyone in their way like that. There's, though, We don't it's odd video, we don't we don't. They were there's no like smoking gun, that's gonna get a bunch of people. Do we have to recognise? I think if we think about the politics of this- there's a lot of motivated racing here, we're not just like wine. Lord Ingram text, away from the bulk of the Republican Party being like oh tromp, is bad or insurrection is bad or one six really. and I think that that like gets a really sad statement about american politics and that our information ecosystem and all of that but like that is, I think, the reality of what is your like. It's great for historical record. It makes these guys look stupid and force them to sort of back

on AIR, but it's not did the underlined dynamics are not going to change based on that. I also they get highlight something else that we ve talked about before, which is that no one has less respect for republican voters. Then republican politicians and no one has less respect for fox viewers. Then Fox news hosts and because what they do in private is completely different than what they do in public in private they I'll get vaccinated, other public and politicians. The Fox news hosts they make sure they're vaccinated. They make sure there safe in the major spy Anti, that's bullshit on the air all the time with this they tell People- oh yeah. No, it was. It was fake. It was Antigua even as their privately texting meadow saying. Please call these people off, but they incite people to go to this attitude to the rally to

in the first place and put them in harm's way right like who, who is, who is mostly dying of covert right now on vaccinated trump supporters who who gets hurt when they decide not to expand Medicaid, uninsured trump supporters? They do this all the fucking time, they have they do not care about their own voters or their own viewers, and I do think that that's something worth mentioning and something the Democrats should think about two, because you know the Democrats get attacked and ever since the ever, since Hillary Clinton made that gaff about you know, call them deplorable, like you know things, there deplorable Fuckin, Fox NEWS hosting republican politicians, they think they're all fuckin idiots and they treat them that that's an people should know that, and the question is: how do you make a case? I don't even have the right answer to that by day like that is you're exactly right is that, while is Donald Trump, the Republican Party Fox views their voters as a means to an end, nothing what happens to them.

I'm not fucking matter as long as they put out about empower, let them can do we give tax cuts to the rich help the corridor when the corporations to make sure that Rupert Murdoch, Tucker Carlsson and in preparing the rest of them stay fuckin rich. They could give to shit about the rest of you. There won't be rich and they want to be in power and the rest of you can fuck yourself. That's it. That's that's the republican Party. So that's what's going on the house to decide what the Senate, where, on her look what is going on at the Santa John. They know why I wrote. I wrote this up last night. I don't fucking, know: ok, here's what's going on the bill that better negotiations have completely blown up because Joe, engine, woke up one day and decided.

I want. I want. I want it to be a dime over one point: seven, five trillion dollars, but every programme that you put in the bill, I'm going to pretend that it has to be extended for ten years and I'm gonna count that cost of extending the programme for ten years towards the price of the bill. That's what he is decided so that all fake CBS score that we talked about earlier in the week Vet Joe Mansion asked Lindsey Gram to ask the c b owed to calculate he's, taking it seriously he's taking it seriously and now the problem is we have a one point: seven, five trillion dollar bill with a whole bunch of programmes that if they are extended to ten years, which Apparently they are in jail. Mansions mind will be way over one point: seven, five trillion so now the question is: what programmes can you put in? A one point in five trillion dollar bill that are actually

authorized for a full ten years. Just to give you an example, the child tax credit which got a lot of attention, because mansion said there were some reporting the mentions that the Democratic had cut the child tax credit completely from the EL costs one point six trillion dollars if it is extended over ten years. So if you put the one point, six trillion dollar child tax credit in the bill dimensions as can't be over one point: seven: five trillion: you don't have much more room, For anything in the bill, the one provision in the bill that originally was authorized for a full ten years, even before mentions problem or the climate tax credits and grants and all that they cost about a half a trillion dollars over ten years so you start doing the math and you realize why this whole thing has started to fall apart, because now we need to figure out. So you know we can get the climate stuff in there four point: five for half a trillion dollars, that's the

you now one point: two five trillion dollars left to. You know fine programmes that you can. You can include that still won't break the bank after ten years, and you know I have to say, like maybe it's just a dimension wakes up every morning and has a completely different outlook. The legislation, maybe he's just dumber than we even thought. Maybe I don't I don't know, I'm done figuring out dimensions, motivations right, maybe he's down, maybe he's corrupt, maybe he's trying to do his best who the fuck cares. At this point he screwing everything up. That's all we need to know, but, like you know, the chuck humor not know this. Dick turban he's number two in the desert in the democratic leadership he woke up this morning and was like this is outrageous. I can't believe this is happening. This is not anything that we expected like. How is everyone continually surprised by this? What is going on? I mean not a clue

My maybe we are stupid, but the impression everyone left when the house past the one point: seven five: billion dollar version of the bill. But if there was a month and a half the oppression we all had was we agreed on tough line, we agreed on the everyone right that what they are ass was something that was in the neighborhood of what mansion and similar case, because we took a bunch of stuff they didn't like out clean air standard the crew. the idea to ask the wealthy to pay a higher tax rate or corporations to pay tax rate that exists it just. Years ago, we took all that out to make us feel happy and then yeah We knew that they were not going to just passed what the House passport they would make some changes in May obviously do is normal annoying shed and we would meet meekness unnecessarily means TAT, some things, because we could just be cruel to supply.

Women need like that. Would we be skim central points at the no labels conference or something, and then they would pay them, also pass it and would be done, but what his objection now is so fund. It is at the fundamental structure of the bill, and not just that one. The house the bill we ve been talking about for a year now, I do not as it is either, but you're right is no talking to him. Changing his mind, but the problem with all of whatever the answer that is the problem is it is giving every wind unfair, inaccurate expectations of what can happen in, and I will say, as a piece of evidence on Joe Mansion side.

Ruth, he has been talking about the what he calls the gimmicks in this bill since before it pass the house, so I dont know if, if other Democrats in the Senate just didn't take those complaints seriously or they weren't listening to them, but like Joe mentioned, has been complaining about this ten year window bullshit for a long time now, but I dont know like. Is this going to be another thing? We find out that human fuckin chuck tumor signed a piece of paper three months ago a word where humor knew this was happening like what I just said. It is its mind. Boggling isn't like none of it makes any sense in this and other soaring. The Washington post in these like negotiated on these very fine details, are some of the claims Provision will re well, that's I mean I was going to say like to do this. If you want to find them

good news in all of this, like Joe Mansion is not just saying like he doesn't seem like he's just saying this, to take the whole bill because he's in them, while this was going on he's like in these detailed negotiations about like the electric vehicle tax credit and exactly how it structured and then he said to reporters yesterday like hey, I dont tell me: I don't like the child tax credit. If you want to authorize the child tax credit for ten years for one point, six trillion dollars and you want- to be your bill. I'm committed, let's do it, but then you can have anything else. So it's he's being completely unreasonable and an asshole here, but it does unlike he would would approve a bill that costs one point. In five trillion dollars as long as every programme is authorized for the full ten years, insist- and you re ever know like what is mansion and what is the staff, like, though, probably Well, that's the other. That's the right he's! The chair of the Energy Committee he's got a lot of energy staffers and I'm sure they're, like in negotiations with the White House, people in that end,

where's office about these revisions and messages I along you know listening grab just zero, seeing what he hears CNBC acts like Sansom, dumb sheds you just never like thoroughly. If members who are relatively disconnected from the details and he feels he feels like one of them. But none of this is good. I would say it's not good. While so there it looks like they are going to quote shelve the build back better bill until next year. There are some sources in humans Office told NBC till March, parenting

now. This is a problem because everyone wanted to build a better before Christmas, but also in the more immediate, since the child tax credit does the authorization for that runs out at the end of the year. So I don't know they can authorize that for just one more year since that's against, which I mentioned ones to do, and he wants to say authorize it for ten years or nothing. So that's a problem, but I guess is this: all this shit was going down. A bunch of Santa Democrats were like hey: let's try voting rights instead, so there was this whole movement to try to pass voting rights legislation- and this was this- this change and strategy. This, I would say, abrupt change strategy- was previewed in a very passionate speech from Senator Ruffian Warnock this week on the Senate floor. Let's take a lesson that we run

so the moment, or did we hide behind procedural rules? I believe that we Democrats can figure out how to get this done even at that requires a change in the rules which we establish just last week that we can do when the issue is important enough. Well, the people of Georgia and across the country are saying that voting rights are important enough. I think the voting rights are important enough, a man so again, just like everything else and twenty twenty one. You hear that in your like good for good for Reverend Warnock yeah we're gonna get something done and then am politico drops a story late Wednesday night about

in Cinema and what she thinks about changing the rules for for voting rights, and we ve done a lot of mentioning translation. So we should now try some cinema translation. This is her spokesman to Politico, saying Cinema quote, continues to support the Senate Sixty vote threshold and doesn't want to quote eliminate or weaken the filibuster to pass voting rights. But that quote: if there are proposals to make the Senate work better for everyday Americans without risking repeated radical reversals in federal policy, Senator Cinema is eager to hear such idea is. What do you make of that? Those words are in the english language. They are what they mean. Nothing combined, strong together in that order? They mean nothing I'm going to figure out under vigour was actually going on here, because it's gotta be something between mansion and cinema, telling every cent a Democrat. Now

fucking way. Are we ever going to change any rules to help ass voting rights? Because if that was the case, then no one will be talking about this or something between that and pay. We ve got a solution to change the Senate, rules that doesn't eliminate or weaken the filibuster. Broken still help us pass voting rights which they clearly don't have yet because this whole trial, balloon was floated checks humor this morning on Thursday were like with like we're. Gonna still try to get voting rights done in time for the twenty two. Me too election, and these are going to get it done, Orono so like what I'm just. I wouldn't So at some point next year early, we should have some Senate rules, people on to tell us like where what is the? What is the rule? Change? Here's the question: what is the rule change where Republican so Mansion and Cinema basically saying we want agree to any Senate rule change that Republicans, don't also

re too, but then why would Republicans agree to a Senate rule change that would allow for the passage of voting rights legislation there? Not they won't like, then? What are we doing? We people who care about democracy are talking about voting rights still election subversion gerrymandering. They are talking about making it easier to pass by partisan legislation like this this rules of comes from the fact that they were unable to pass we was very challenging to pass a bipartisan national defence authorization Bell and the job. I take it a single fucking ambassador past, because tat crews has holds on all of them and even a how that works in a world in which there is an filibuster, isn't there is like two conversation, there's one is: how do we make our lives of doing the random things that are important, but not significant

I haven't, you make the building work better and then there is what we care about, which is the caddy make democracy we're going in. Those are two very supper. Combinations Kherson Cinema will be part of the former, but not the latter, because our state and it's like she's going openness, some real changes. She did vote for Iraq allows you to skip the filibuster one time to prevent a global financial collapse, so who knows to you, the Senator Arizona by per se, but also makes it very clear. Her deeply bad faith, dishonest, illogical statement about river,

a policy and voting rights Bade makes it pretty clear that we shall support minor changes, but something that requires that would allow voting. Rights to happen is not on the table with her, and we should come to terms with that right now. You're, the political story did say that they are all talking about potential rule changes like bring back the talking, filibuster or saying that you need forty one republican centres in this case on the floor, to carry out a filibuster against voting rights, and so in that scenario, you'd have to have forty one, but an old people, all standing on the second floor of the whole time to stop voting rights and maybe they would be able to. But then maybe the Democrats cannot last them. I don't know so I may be the Lahti or mention woods behaviour there. It's porthos like the forty, one vote? Things seem so stupid to me. I got a call in a world in which they had it wouldn't say fifty eight forty, two Senate, maybe you someone it's sick one day, good sneak through some legislation bite. You think,

there's gonna, be a robber Mitchell, Kantos Kan all just slip up and the long before he senators and we're gonna aids or security that day like his fists, but it seemed like a real thing to me: I don't need there, it would at least you know it would. It would highlight from a political standpoint, whether it would work or not, it would highlight it will get a lot of media coverage to have this stand off. On the Senate floor, where you have forty, one republican senators won't leave the Senate floor to block voting rights, and you have every Democrat, including maintenance, and about on board trying to pass this piece of legislation. It would at least do that. Maybe that's what they're thinking that they just want to get caught. Trying here early I mean I could pick. I guess a bare minimum. If you you might, as well, make it really physically and emotionally annoying for the other side too. Yeah right democracy, our lighting, yeah yeah, that's the only thing I can think of it. So

now we got all that out of the way we could build back better, shelved till March to someone can figure out some cooking pot like a calculator to figure out what programs to put in it to appease Joe Manchin, we got voting rights basically exactly where we were before this trial. Balloon was floated, lotta, disappointed, Democrats out there I would say that the hosts of this programme are among them, but what do you think is a fair an accurate narrative about violence first year. Thinking about you, know, that we have had one year, one the bite ministration There's a lot of criticism lot pieces. You know that this is a horrible year for Joe Biden said: George will wrote some column that you know Run claimed was tweet in that what what do you think is that we think is a fair and accurate narrative in on the upside about your buttons for sheer it was this just surprised to find out that George, what was already columns like not by and honestly again the. Why are you

you asked me to name ten wash unopposed columnists. I I don't know five. I don't have a direct sergeant each day, urgent, Jennifer, Ruben, But then, like George, we'll pops up very making, I didn't. I didn't know that I'd into the George Willard on the rotating, I think I think, like he and Kathleen Parker Way, having placed on websites you fisheries, another one who done it, don't the thing about her for years. At a time, any him. I been one. We should just stipulate that The whole like, let's do a report card on the first year thing is a stupid. You have it's stupid created. Only only do it because we're heading into a kind of council news period in a normal rural. Probably not to share then, reporter input of overseas, I'm right but I think there are sort of two ways to look at this question. One is let's rock a somewhat by did write. He came into office. Eddie with the most narrowly divided Congress in history, where the Republican Party,

already from refuse to acknowledge legitimately won the election with a gun, meant that was a husk of itself because of the massive incompetent former president, just like taking our exports. Putting in Fox NEWS grin rejects, and in them LE pandemic word, like literally the White House staff could not meet in the same room. They d like do zooms down the hall from each other, like the hardest possible situation. Joe Biden comes in passes the a hugely historic in progressive rescue plan that have child poverty and saves the economy like yes, people, every fresh, robot inflation and on all these other things. But if you look at the unemployment rate economic growth, we are an incredibly strong place from where we possibly could have been. When he came in office, they historic Europe, job growth, he

He puts in place a carbon in government to begin managing this pandemic, ensuring that every person who wants to get vaccinated can get vaccinated like in this country? If you just any where anyone can go, give vaccinate in any given that they wonder does that then passes a historically large infrastructure, but with nineteen Republicans, something that I certainly did not think was possible. Uruguay, and maybe you were having you're, always arguing about how the hell didn't good faith Republic where are they probably work with em yeah? We are aware that well known for that. Yes, adding passes that no, which you know like roads and bridges or not the thing they get me out of bed the morning by Biden in Harris announced today that there are beginning the process through this bill of removing every replacing every lead piping. This country, that's pretty cool, like that's a good thing

and are also read this morning? That Biden has now dominated more federal judges than trumpet at this point, so is like all, like things, don't feel great the country now because of a bunch of things beyond Biden, Control, like I'm Nicaragua, Delta and inflation and supply chain stuff, and you can get pick around all the things that you know. Each other better that's enough in and of itself would be.

If we knew nothing else would be a hugely consequential first year yet, but I think I think these central problem there were all grappling with here is that when we won those two Senate seats in Georgia, we lost our hands. We thought we had a real majority and we never did Joe Mansion is a very conservative Democrat who voted for trucks humor for majority leader has voted for by as far as I can tell just about every single judge, even if their very liberal judges has voted for the american Rescue plan has voted for the by partisan infrastructure bill has voted for. I think most of Joe Biden nominees, its killed a few had voted for most of them and that's all he's done and he's not. He doesn't want to do a whole lot more. I guess he even though he says he is willing to spend another one point:

seven, five thousand dollars provided in a we already talked about the matter and is that in creating that. That's all the Joe mention we'll do yeah, of course, but I keep coming back to like what else was Joe Biden Gonna. Do you know I mean I do. I was like in it so near the get when Joe Biden get your mention a Roman, say: ok, twenty four is gonna, be a hard election. for you in Virginia and West Virginia. You might not win. Tell me the job. You want you want, and you want to be an ambassador. You want some great up I'll give you that job in twenty twenty four, so you have to reelection again and just vote for all my shit and m as yet that's a great idea, but like it such an obvious, I do we The Germans tried that already greenhouse gas enshrined, maybe Marie right people talk about what kind of job, not bribery, but life, look

think I dont know and as much as you know, you can you can criticise them for expectation setting. You can criticise them for messaging, you all kinds of stuff. If you want like to this day. I still don't know how you bend Joe Mansion and cures and cinema to your will as a Democrat when they. Cinemas. Another story, but mansion is in a state that may not elect another democratic ever again, at least in our lifetimes, and so with the hand they were dealt, which is a fuckin shitty hand, like we used to think that our hand was pretty bad in two thousand and nine we had five line senators we had fifty nine. Editors and we had a whole bunch of pain in the ass. Has there been Nelson and Black Lincoln and all the rest of them, but we had fifty nine and he has fifty and one has been agenda and to have been giant pains and our asses and he got to more variants, then

had to deal with, and economy. That is not back to normal. Yet because of those two variants, it's a tough hand, and you know they they they did a lot with what they have. that doesn't mean that we still should be disappointed or matter anger, whatever else, but I would remain everyone and we ve been talking on the show a lot about this like it. It's not. It's not small the threat to democracy right now that Republicans represent, and you have to ask yourself, as we had intertwined twenty two in the mid terms. Would I rather be disappointed by Jo Mansion or have a bunch of anti democracy, Republicans running this country and that's not a fun choice, but that's the reality of the choice that we face. For sure I mean it. You sort of like United shocked about this month on its back ass. Not that we got our expectations are actually we should have fucking known better. Like Iowa, I will. I was looking at things the Joe mentions.

two in back in January, nose like fuck, we're gonna Pask, big climate. They were passed this way. Emphasis be great, but, like you know, in the end You can almost always figure out what's national politics by just Brook Dewey, looking at what politicians that are dramatic political, none of us not to pass a giant progressive thing, and it is and thence user. Look at this and say why did not off, but he you know he let accurately get her. We let s rotation, control, Chuck, humor, certainly that expectations gotta could do not need nothing. He definitely Lennox. I gave the majority as for six point five, that we talk about three point five and all this in, but there is this, sort of world, and this is the critique a lotta. You hear this from a lot of capital reporters, which is Joe Biden, tried to pass after years agenda without after hours, majorities, and that is definite but were also in the situation where you don't run for office to manage expectations to do the bare minimum you run,

This is a narrow window or Democrats can do good to help people. That's why you do it and you take risks to do it. In heat, Joe Biden put em all the ships in the table on this bill back better and that that that has not paid off yet and they can come a political costs. If it does it, but sometimes it's better to try to do something similar to save the planet, but you're not gonna, take political rest to spend political capital, save the fucking planning. What are you gonna spend it on and if that that ends up not paying off, and we suffer format like I like that, can have some real consequences in terms of by, as you said, this dangerous rollicking party being in charge, but I dont know then making that that was the wrong decision. I don't think that it was yet look nice, alot of people on Twitter and elsewhere being like, I am democratic, my life and I'm so disappointed when a vote Democrat

Then it's like. Ok, the truth of the matter is, you know, I saw become tweets about in John Fishermen whose running for Senate Pennsylvania was data on the West Virginia border, Andy's very rural area, doing a campaign event and he looks around the crises like not a single person here. Who cares about the filibuster? This whole crowd, Whole crowd wants to get rid of the filibustering he's. Now you know running on anti filibuster platform, I'm sure a lot of other primary can't. It's in Pennsylvania will do the same thing worsening democratic and its run against all the time. Like the one true thing, the Joe Mansion said to reporters a while back was, if you want to bigger bill. If you want more progressive priorities, elect more progressive Democrats, because I'm not one of them any right he's right. We actually do have to look more progressive Democrat, so you can either Jews do not participate or not vote democratic out whatever or you can go far to go. Look more progressive Democrats! That's it! That's that sort of the choice we face and I think

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come promo code crooked. This week a binding, Ministration official told acts use that when it comes to the army crown variant spreading throughout the EU, S quote everything points to a large wave. A large wave is coming here to talk about what we can do to prepare as individuals and as a country is president binds former senior advisor for CO response. My former Obama colleague and now fellow podcast, hosts of the excellent show in the bubble- Andy Slav it thanks for doing this anti bathing friendly. So last week I had a M wonderful conversation with our surgeon general for another show, I hope called offline. We talked about a wise important for our mental health to do less covert doom scrolling. So, in that spirit, I want to try to stick to immigrant questions, for you were the answers can give people an action to take or behaviour to

age or or something to advocate for because I see a lot of people just tweeting. This is gonna, be a horror show, and I did- and I dont know that that's very productive at this point you have come first off. It seems abundantly clear that every single person should get a booster, who is sixteen or older, and six months passed their second doses, Pfizer or maternity or two months passed their Jane, Jane shot. Is that right? You have to I think I think, there's enough. This is not as bad as it could have been. Can't category is the fact that users are highly effective against get and so it's nice to go the way of having the science at least to solve it. We didn't last year.

ago we went away, we didn't have a solid. Now do so get boosted. What about kids from five to fifteen, who were vaccinated but not eligible for a booster? What should they do? How should they act? They should act like it's. Ok, you know it's it's. It is true that kid, for fifteen aren't eligible for blizzard yet is also true that they probably have stronger immune systems. You do There is data in South Africa and the UK, which shows this affecting younger kids. more, probably not with severity. So I wouldn't panic, but I would say that you don't before the next period of time- and I think the period of time is actually like that to be potentially very brief, because it could be very fast way, I think it. I think, extra caution with your kids or with anybody who doesn't have a booster is warranted. We're sourcing schools, clause,

I wouldn't be surprised if, in January we were I get that for a little while, but the thing I want people, understand John, is that we're not Talking about something. That's gonna, like the last month's, we're talking about something that experts are predicting will peak middle of January and so to go down very quickly. So this is the one that keeps me up at night. My son, Charlie seventeen months old, doesn't sound like he'll, be eligible for a vaccine until February at the earliest, and it seems like you said that the democratic way will be here in January. Like should I more precautions, then we ve already been taking with Delta like an when, would you start taking those precautions? I'd be worried about, and we but give zero five, because there, there's a little bit of a perfect storm and that most of them not socialize, yet the ones that have a minute they school, so they don't have

either prior immunity or vaccination at so their susceptible to getting this now wait where I would tell you and your wife in everybody S. Look it sought to panic is very. Likely they'll get it, and you would know what, if you didn't ask them if they did get it, but feel nervous wants to our kids even a little bit sick or so I think it is wise. A particular we're talking a short period of time, particularly with a view to these preschool lay an old man, Adele Watch cartoons- probably don't we're gonna play dates: Jerry, their parents, home, ok, so same quest and I d him do about in July. It's hard to believe now tardy December. Those of us who got Jane Jane and boosted with an M rna. Should we get one more boost? Turkish Michael, win, a sign.

and doctor. I'm sure you know he had this whole long Fred earlier this week. Saying that we share the Jane J, pleasant, emanate is is much less protection. Then three m ironies. Yes, So my site, it's my Alderson still mad at me for having garden enjoy vaccine like dad. You think you would have now to tell me how to get there and I'm sure you're about it. We do know it's my fault. I you know every publicly visual said, take the first one. You can get an idea, we didn't info, you fall so look it is that to be but we flip abided by Jane, Jane, Plaza booth is basically a boost that data on J J and by the way and soon farm and on on Sputnik. Is that good with with overcrowded and not something that I would even say we could ever should have anticipated it? This is you, don't?

In fact, I would advise people have taken J J to almost forget. They got that shop at this, in time. Another we coming and and like to do do over from your first booster and and and letters. Just kind of a very imperfectly look at it yeah, but we do only we don't need life will be perfectly. Let me just eat something, that's actionable into my mind. I'd go beyond where you started so I got my Madonna booster before it was authorized, specifically the booster. So I got the hundred Mg Madonna, but I am now looking so. I just put myself a Sunday appointed CBS to get a fifty mg booster, because my change I feel like that should be enough for me that I think this whole so essentially about was right for you. You have It is now the whole J J Hive here at crooked media and everywhere it's finished off, but though its fully, though like I'm technically sound,

due to this morning and literally am I worried. Are you- and I would certainly like- is his daughters and his family. Like all of us, I now have a say, kind of reaction, no matter how kind of policy here global arena we think we are given that I would like here and also my family. I get crazy situation Everyone wants to know. What's what to do and I think it's very natural. I will say that is part of them also part of what the challenges is, that everybody is acting based on their own risk profile, and you don't you we ve got seventy five million people that situation the sunset. When I can't get boosted evacuated, I've got a hundred two hundred billion, probably couldn't hurt. Go. I want to get to sort of way what the country should do in some policy solutions soon to it. For the I think, that's what thirteen fourteen percent of the country now that is fully boosted. What else should they be thinking about? In turn,

of precautions over the next month, yet in and by the way I have a feeling that the number is higher than was being reported at your exactly right. It's about fourteen percent. I talk to some people, the White House today who who believe that we actually have some but about this reporting of numbers going on that there's a lot of people who we think one booster and one shot, I should say, but what they really are. People who came in to never prior recorded get boosted. So the Good NEWS, bad news is shit. You know you ve got a lot more people that are boosted than we think you also got a lot more we'll get nothing category and in those cuts it communities. I think it's all it's all the same. I mean we have it. Look if position where you can afford rapid at home tests. Then, if you haven't you

over for the holidays. It's a good idea to have people. Take those tests in my wife Causa day, pass really didn't get. Someone comes home from college. Someone comes home. Did you tell your parents, your grandparents, what even if your boosted good idea to turn to take one of those tests before or giving together again. If I presume you can afford one Britain, you can access. One item, he's better ten dollars more on that in ten dollars. Less on my Christmas presents just rhetoric. the joy, the holidays and just about on the timing of these rapid task, they saw some the floating around to like you see invitations to holiday parties whenever they someone says: ok, get a rapid tester or give us your negative covert test one to two days before before the event does seem like from everything I'm reading that you should take your rapid test as soon as close to the event that you're going to as possible right that right, I would add and american that he can enjoy

have a good time, and if, if they don't do damage, I choose to go anyway there without not a bad idea to get when done afterwards, because you don't know around you, dont want to carry on from there will I K ninety five masks. Work is well against a variant. This transmissible, that's gonna, be all over the place. We still feel good about now We're only data yet, but it works better. Look out it's about its relatively layer right so into my mind, small inconveniences like why? Wouldn't you add DNA, the game? Eighty, five, basque I'd. I do think that it's that that there's gotta be some effectiveness for sure everything is ok, Is it without the mask. It's probably problematic, as you know, and allay their master required endorse, in which the good thing is it like Canada, by Europe, five and dining indoors, like that.

ninety seven percent of the time I'm like eating or drinking, and so everybody else in the restaurant? So you know but want to think about. Can it little leaning towards boring, were dining if you can write or damage, I should say so on the policy front. In getting back to the test in question, should the Vine Administration make it even easier for people to get free tests as opposed to this policy they announced where you have to get reimburse through your ensure? What would you think about this situation once it's funny? I had a conversation over there this morning with an eye here, which is that you can actually make the deserve a bit of a bind right. They don't have the money yet from Congress to buy they that they ve got some money, but they don't have enough money to get everybody other tests that they need. The idea was that attributed to it was kind of a technical one, but if they try to basically make getting out of rapid at home, tat work the same endeavoured to pick up a prescription at the pharmacy.

They can dig in Pingaree insurance right when you going to pick it up right, so you never get we'll get charged or your guitar. She appropriate amount. So hopefully, together, lemon. Something like that. I've been calling on insurance companies, premiums, pharmacies to actually reduce the hassle and get this done, but this is one of the situations where, in the short term, because a semblance of ass, the White ass is gonna need cooperation from the outside to get it done for any practical purposes. If you really want to do something,

The time you know I'm a friends here. There is unfortunately, not really the time to turn to do anything else up. They can be criticised but, as you know, policies and perfect any Gonna Kennedy domestic care. What? What else should the administration be doing in the next several weeks to minimize the damage here? What can they do? Well, I'd be talking a lot if I were there and I think if you were there to the public about this wave- and I know that people are fatigued and people are not listening and feel seed, but I don't think you can quit doing that and I think I would cited it starts with a look of a fair amount of telling continual hollow people's attention to If you look at around the world were probably doing, us of that then than people around. the world are, and then I think

You know there's real justification for saying I don't really care if you get vaccinated what I do bout is: if you're gonna be around people who kid vaccinated or boosted, I should say like, an adversary in or out of school setting. But you have to get you after the sure everybody that you been, that did you talk to the spread of it and I think the fact that Republicans made that controversial yeah, it's tough. They think we should. We should forget, ignore that, because many are behaving so badly itself. Certainly that, for all, the people that are going to say, you're stepping up my freedom

how much of other people are saying and doing everything right in your letting these people get away with essentially making by workplace unsafe? Making my reference safe baking, my school, unsafe, yeah Willem, Will Pfizer's antiviral pill that reduces hospitals, Asians by think eighty nine percent be ready to help people through this Amr Crown surgeries that today, our way no alone suspense right.

the great question is, it is probably they know when we intervene for fur in about a leaner, viewed, twelve scientists and we asked them for questions. One of them was the polluting, the scientific breakthrough of twenty twenty two and the majority of them said that this Pfizer pillage referring to this really serious pills east, then, if you take it within three to five days of of sickness of of being aware, was covered, you're going to it's gonna do dramatic job. Ninety percent protect you, that's that's really great news now, there it doesnt scale. The productive productivity doesn't scale really well. So it's gonna be September, even in September, were only get to have in the single millions or even your ten million says here in the: U S and look to do their duty, something adviser that is admirable, but listen understand. It has a ratification in this, which is that their decision

they get, but for equitably throughout the world than they did vaccines. And you got it. they got a lot of criticism for favorite, wealthy nations when it came to vaccines. That's that's being treated differently with these therapeutics, but it does mean there's gonna be a lot less to go around the? U S for quite a while. We know that variants like I'm a crown will keep coming potentially until the whole world is vaccinated. How do we do that? What it? What are the obstacles right now, both from a supply standpoint, distribution, all that kind of stuff, yeah. So the problem is gonna love our because the definition of vaccinated righteous change right out from under us right, you got it used to be too now it's three, so the I would say we ve exit You don't even have million a billion people around the globe, which is extraordinary, something we ought to be proud of in the U S is donated more back

around the world for free that that anybody, so we should feel good about that Unfortunately, the product, the the hurdles much higher here and see what the problem. And turn. The problem is: how do we have enough vaccines, the prom, Neither do we have enough money. The world bank is is nature. We do the problem. Is that there are many countries that the debt that going from vaccine to arms the same problem that we have here a year ago. It is the real challenge and in Africa you know, you may have heard that in South Africa they actually televised or to stop sending vaccines, because the vaccine for spoiling so getting to remote parts of the country getting people to trust that they support something in her arms and maybe the first time their hearing of in getting them to trust and establish with that ethically screw them override HIV Aids for a number of years up right? It's those those are

real challenges and at its so that this last mile problem in Africa is real as remote parts of the world, and so we need very much a I'll have a deck effort. If do you know what I like about? You know your parts of the world, so I think that the contacts that we don't have the same type of global leadership that we once had the G20 as a body. Right, doesn't add up in uniform the the fighting between China and the? U S, and all these other things hurt our ability to coordinate a mass globally whether we could have done thirty. Forty fifty years ago, well. Here's where I can't figure out like there's the there's the supply issue.

The distribution issue right, like every country, should be more generous, rich countries, especially obviously, but that we have vaccine hesitancy here in the United States that we haven't been able to solve our many years into this. They have, but other countries have similar vaccine hesitancy that they haven't been able to solve as well all over the world like. What is the point? for ending this pandemic. That also recognizes the reality of vaccine hesitancy, not just in the United States but all over the world ADA. If it's it's interesting, its embassy, something with a lot of time on trying to figure out in the White House Ed. I have come to believe that in any in the? U s- and I think, It differs loaded around the world, but just to say what the? U S, twenty percent of the public is just the pretty strongly anti science it ended in this appreciated.

The pandemic, this isn't about hey. Can you find a more clever way to communicate? Why people should take it backs in? This is a pretty abetted. Stuff I know you don't you didn't deep research in we are with the wilderness package, specifically about kind of people's attitudes and have our people are. This is some of that same stuff. I think that that is the same stuff that prompted create, but he rode and in itself We ve got this strong. Eighty institutional bent, people who are the gleaming conspiracy areas they want to believe the things that they read. The car scepticism and doubt of government for information well, industries are places rather vulnerabilities, and so we re unfortunately like in most things in life. If you get seventy five percent right, you win right. If you'd get seventy five percent for any political courage, you with That's pretty damn! Yet, unfortunately, here

Harrison S forgiving. So I didn't it. What about an game, because I think that we have to accept reality in the end, game, pastime we worked around it, and that means that we're gonna have to understand that disability. people- are gonna, get their immunity from prior infection in there really no other way and that's a perfect, and more than will die, and if that is not necessarily the most rational decision, but I think the the objects pretty immovable I mean locally in a sort of bothered me that some of the public health experts who worked so hard on boosters before on the Koran Would say things like? Well, you know what we're were were focused on boosters, but the Bite administration has just given up on the non vaccinated. Now might give upon the UN vaccinated like we put in place, mandates the everywhere. They could basically it's a fur airplanes which they could do

but the employer one is now in court were at the mercy of our judicial system. So, like don't know what else the bottom creation or all of us can be doing about the vaccine, hesitant in this country, let alone other countries, and so then I wonder like do you think that there is so we're not message? Again, we have another variant like COMECON that comes in another six months. From now on, we think everything's fine, like are there, are scientists looking in to create vaccines are creating certain boosters. That would help against any kind of variant layer is, Is that part of it? I'm just thinking of other ways that we can get out of this thing. Yet Libby took up for sale of politics and then about the science. You know it probably doesn't help guys like Eric Schmidt in Missouri, who are saying like we should even report data any longer and when their cases and outbreaks of the like that, the idea of Cape surveillance is, is a bad thing. Right doesn't know

that there's been a hundred laws, local laws that a bit stricken from the books that that basically Public health, not adoption in maybe barely states, so like others criticized for Joe Biden, you could take a bite of good said Joe Biden. Anyone but like where the EP is the criticism for like had crews sanely, although you to stop the government from going forward. If we are public health laws, where's the words of criticism for opium, you're, like literally, they will lift a finger to fight the pandemic, but they will go to great lengths to fight the people fighting the pandemic. So I think that you know the fact that bind invites himself on his heels, and this is understandable because he's the president is accountable, but I think that some people are getting a free passer being irresponsible. It interpret besides. I think the answer is yes, in a couple ways one is light if they could,

international vaccine. You don't know that that becomes, I think, actually of are there big- there are their innovations that people can use more. I think we also, probably, if someone's like dead, said getting vaccinated. You probably have to talk to them about the array of tools that they can be using like light like antivirals, like rabbits, IRAN tests and at other types of things. I do think we make a mistake. It maybe made a mistake by talking about included me by the way by talking about the vaccine, is if it was what was going on in the pandemic instead of the now. We all know the right way to talk, but it is a very, very powerful tool to help you in your family, your community, but it's not the end. The eyelids or people who rarely vaccinated anti vaccine. Some of them, I think, feel very justified in saying see. I don't need this thing

because they re told us it was the greatest thing in the world in a thrilling ad, and so I think we said that gonna take it in a more sensible fashion. But I also understand that the Virus- this is a very fit virus. If you take this evolutionary biologists people are gonna, get vaccinated, lucid they're, gonna get over. It we'll die alone. We have lost a lot of work and they know that if they don't feel scared about it, there's nothing you can do, but that that but ultimately that's going to create a layer protection in those communities that once a layer of protection for vaccines are eventually and then you don't through that process. you went out with a much more livable, less credible disease. We hope is there anything else that I forgot to ask you that

People should know information. They should be armed with, as they go into the holiday season yet so sites in just a couple of things. One is no one was go back and in India, with things that are closed and and and not, but I think it's gonna be short and it will be short lived. So I hope you will feel encouraged that they can get through that only justice offer. That is a bit of a current. Secondly, I think Congress can act I'd like to get some of the pressure off. Just the White House built it wouldn't hurt to have more money from from for global vaccination. That would not have more money. For so, we can make that rapid, Adam Testy back with a slight your question, ass, incited if we're going to advocate a put pressure somewhere as it does not a bad place to do it. And finally, I I just say: look we have the tools we all have the tools to get through even these wave without a twenty twenty anymore, and so the panic that we can all feel

when we hear about a new wave is really the sort of flashback, yeah pdf yesterday it is exactly, and so some of this is take the rational questions your asking their at their. Now. Tools and opted for almost all of them are those that are far better than that we were before, and it's very very conscious of the fact that some nurture doctrine hospital is gonna, go through this crash in the next four to six weeks, and if we can lighten the load, so they can get through that we're gonna, be in. for a far better shape. Eighty five, it thank you so much for joining ever go check out in the bubbles. Fantastic podcast worrying get all kinds of really helpful information about this pandemic and living through it. So Pritchett, you appreciate you taken the time any precise You drive things Party, America's broadly based

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Media and here's what reign was in Rachel Bade wrote quote one of the most consistent criticisms of the political press from the left. These days is that it treats politics and policy as normal when the United States is facing an unprecedented crisis of democracy and hears their answer as to why they do that quote, for better or worse campaign coverage emphasizes what candidates are doing in saying Washington policy in politics coverage emphasizes with the president and other leaders are trying to move through Congress. If democratic candidates are talking about America's Anti democratic movement and of President Joe Biden, Speaker Nancy Policy and send a majority there, trucks humor aren't doing it everyday Washington than the coverage will reflect that. That is not a defence of the poor the committee ecosystem, but just a description of it, what you think, but that argument I think it is both an accurate description and a searing fucking indictment of political media in this country. Or

in what way idea that all we do is just tell people. The information and wet make decisions is not how media works by your choose. Eight, you, like the media, is not neutral is not unbiased, they pick the things that they were. They put the earth there, some on the scale. Certainly- and this I don't this is not a critique. I understand things that are good for business, for them get alive attention. They stories to get click stories they get ratings. Do you think in twenty fourteen seen em had a passionate interest in malaysian airliner, the outer journal integrity, know that people want red watch. That story do think scene or MSNBC or others showed empty proteins before your priorities and twenty January sixteen, because they thought that was fucking newsworthy now, because it was good for them. They do that there are any. You know what they're a business with. All investors in all the above and their political is right.

not enough Democrats understand the media is a business. They makes his other business. They also put there thumb on this scale for things that they decide. They want to care about his parents and access. Do you think they gazillion stories about Joe Binds frequency of press conferences because they think that's journalistic with interest. no. They decided a long time ago and I dont begrudge them is either that they have power in agreeing to use that power to fight for access, entranced and it is why they- and I think this was probably there right decision as much as sometimes it makes us feel from more or some aggressive about some of the early. investigations of leaks and whistle blowers that roped in journalists in the early party by measures They kicked Obama's asked for that, and that is there I mean I want frankly they should do that, but democracy is not a tax bill or a healthcare bill, it is what allows them to do their fucking jobs. You dont get it involves them. They like stories about themselves,

law, they re lotteries but themselves. This is a story about them to all of us, but them to do you know who the fuck ass people, the authoritarian come for when they take power, the brass they take the tv station working what's having in Hungary Rights Ben wrote about this in his pocket. Patsy throughout all the time I thought ass a govern Hughley. What are they do? Take care of all the media, what is happening in Russia and the idea you're, just gonna cover it if it was a dispute over economic policy or political strategy, is an insane life choice and it is and where you were so beltway both sides pickled in your fuckin brain. You can't make decisions that are about what's for now we just go for the country, but good for yourself now, reporters will say I've seen them sitteth, like Democrats want us to be on their team. We are not on their team, that's not our job and to which I say

like. First of all, I never thought you were supposed to be on. Our team were highly lay. There is some doubt, my lady, I would he ever in any case. I would never confuse you for a team made nor want you as a team. That would be a really bad team from putting together, because there now a great job for us right now has in fact, when the climate of going to journalism is being the last person pick on every team elementary school. That's how you end up with

I got here I'll get, but look I so I don't expect them to be on our team. I really don't. I don't expect you to have my position on health care or taxes or climate or any of it, even though you should focus especially on some of those things but you're right, like even from a self interested standpoint, you would think that the media would have an interest in protecting democracy and writing about it. I think the question is in a fair question. Is what would it look like for the political pressed to give the anti democracy movement the coverage it deserves? Is it about the number stories? Is it about the tone of the coverage, because the other argument you get from them is: ok, if suddenly, we were just rapidly anti Trump and Anti Republican Party, because they ve become any anti Democracy party, wouldn't that just fuel the polarisation that already exists in the country and when that not really per

wait any one else, because now they just think wherein in bed with the liberals and and all the accusations of liberal buyers are correct. So what is the point of doing that, while Guess white, that already happened? That happened a long time ago, it's avid because you let the Republicans the shit out of you for years and try to appease them, not recognising that those attacks were in bad faith. You Did that, while Fox whose entire creation was about telling Republicans that the rest of the press was bullshit and should be listened to and what you, then you kept pass in orders of bread, bear a cocktail parties right like that has happened. You have lost war. The war is over. You have lost it, it is done so you can either you can stop trying to these people who were not listen to you in just cover things in the right way, and I think I dont there

like number of stories like a fake thing in the age of the internet. Like view there are twelve available stories for the New York Times per day and how much of our quarter we can use on democracy. What I think the key here isn't it like? I think the one reasonable request to ask is you stop. Covering voter suppression, elections, subversion, insurrections, trying to restrict them. You know trying to answer majority Irian task, soft trying covering as a political strategy. Covered as an actual threat to democracy, like you would cover in some sort of threat from abroad, democracy right. How would you cover it? Take Donald Trump same off of it, the problem of rising offered? How would you cover it in Turkey or China or Saudi Arabia, or somewhere else,

I guess maybe China about example, because they would sense of themselves in order to stay in the market, but this is your rare, but look, and I do think one of the big problems. What whenever we talk about the media, is you know we try? We there's a broad definition of media that sort of covers every one. That's it that's not we're talking about here, because I do think eggs. I think, especially over the last several years since during the Trump administration, there are plenty of reporters, at the Washington Post, CNN places like that who actually are taking this threat seriously, and I have noticed a change in the tone of coverage that challenges it has not permeated through the entire media system and editors, headline writers, politico definitely selected flexibly like there are still large media organisations where this is the exception rather than the rule, and I think that's the that sort of a larger problem. It has not become

sort of it has not been a systemic change and journalism yet ADA when it's not even it's like their arsenals the journalists at political who write really get things But the general routes of politico is that they build themselves when they created the organist eight, the news opposition as the ESPN for politics, and they have never lost that view of how you think about it. And politics is not sport. People's lives and livelihoods are at risk, analysis agents are made, and even you know you can say we can point to a bunch of like bats up its dynamic viewpoint and people like Jake Tapir, around a killer, who have been very who have called this stuff out, who have called outfox further. Just information really like right now. There's not a human need in every organisation can find people are doing the right thing by people who were doing the wrong thing. I do want to give their to poor thing. We should make that are.

Was I in defence of the Pressyur one is playbook is right that if Democrats really think this is right to cut that one goes gonna cut out, one sentence: just haven't haunt you for everything to be they in cipher playbook is right. You that's why Elijah's gonna cut it and just. I therefore an outlet for doing camping exports, react with new senior producer, you're, afraid as Democrats, we think it is this true threat. We had to say- and I think the The biggest misunderstanding the Democrats have about the press throughout the entire trump era. Is it is not? The press is job to persuade voters for us Yes, if you live, we think Donald Trump, the criminal, the New York Times, is not going to give it some of that. They may be story that remain for information which we can use my case where we have to make their case, and this idea that work

talk about kitchen table issues and the New York Times and political. Everyone else is going to inform the electorate about the threat to democracy,

That is a stupid strategy. Didn't miss understands their role and our world, and this goes back to what we were talking about in the earlier segment like. I do think as we head into two thousand and twenty two Democrats have to separate whatever mansion and cinema are going to do on voting rights. Legislation talking about the anti democratic movement in this country and how to save democracy, and why it's so important to save democracy needs to be a priority for every single Democrat from Joe Biden on down to local officials, and everyone needs to start talking about it, and everyone needs to start calling out the republican bullshit and everyone needs to make it a messaging priority, because you're right, we cannot count on the media to do this. We know that we're just going to keep banging our heads against the wall on this, but we do have a megaphone all of us in on the progressive side of the aisle in the democratic side of the aisle here and democratic leaders. Should you

that megaphone, because that's got to be more effective than complaining about how the media is not using the megaphone and with that, we will close on twenty twenty one. For now, for what I wrangler all of a sudden appetite and a year on a high note, what look? That's all we got, we're gonna recordings so tomorrow that all of our funds, we get some mailbag questions were going to do. We get the panties You're always fun. We get our new year's resolution, so that'll be the uplifting episodes I'll get before the end of the year. Until then, thank you to anti slavery for joining us today. Everyone have again we can stay safe out there and I would like to use it by everyone pod, save America is a crooked media production, the executive Sir, is Michael Martinez. Our senior producer is Andy. Gardner Bernstein are producer, is hearing, who's in Bolivia. Martinez is our associate producer. Its mixing edited by Andrew Chadwick,

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