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simply saved our complex crooked for fifty percent off your entire system. Welcome deposit America. I'm John Favour, I'm sure of it and Tommy before on today's pod, Steve Ban in surrendered to the feds, while Donald Trump admits yet again, an attempted coup did not surrender, ok, Tommy, ok, also former Obama economic adviser, Austin Ghouls, be talk to us about inflation in the economy and crypto currency You guys got everybody out there, because the Tommy, yeah. We took a little longer. Detour deadline is great and the Deasey gossip machine is trained its focus on them.

relationship between Joe Biden Kamala Harris and what it all means for two thousand and twenty four, but first check out the latest episode of offline. Would you can find right here in the pod save America feed this week? I interviewed intern soccer, star Megan repay know about social media, mental health and the pressures that athletes live with in today's extremely online world. We also talk about whether she should run for office. The fun conversation should a threshold of check it out to shed and love it tell us about your Fantastic showed than your comedy festival. We did such a great show. argue with so much fun. We had Brigitte Everett Why it's an act? Ronan Pharaoh cow, PAN, busy, Philips the Lucas brothers? Who is awesome? What a line up it was originally stage joyful. Alright, let's get to it. I want to start with some tough news about Tommy's favorite podcast hosts via a statement from the FBI

it's not about Dan from the FBI. On Monday November, fifteenth Stephen Kay and in self surrender to the FBI and was arrested in processed on two counts of contempt of Congress. Beynon was indicted by grand jury for refusing to comply with congressional subpoenas for testimony in documents related to his conversations with Donald Trump about the attempted coup in insurrection that followed the twenty twenty election trumpets directed all his former aids to defy these subpoenas, an Ex Whitehouse chief of staff mark meadows may get charged as well as for Trump himself, he's busy doing what he does best emitting everything he's been accused of in an interview with ABC Jonathan Carl for his upcoming book betrayal, which reveals new details how the White House pressured vice president, might pens to steal the election trump basically copped, to everything there was a report. Excuse my language, not not minors. In the report.

You talk to him that morning you said you could be a patriot or you can t really say that, and that is that a incorrect. I wouldn't dispirited really real worried Siege. We worried about. It was well protected and I had heard that he was in good shape now, no chance that was tat. He could have other people very angry recent, because it's it's common sense? How can you, if you know a vote, is fraudulent? How can you pass on together with what a cool boss near really do the interviewer Dining Hall was going on, but I was interviewing, I'm just glad Carl when, for you know, he didn't even bleep it in Eden, bleep it itself. He waited for others to believe in a yeah, yeah yeah imagined apologizing to Donald Trump.

for using the key word. I now come on come who we perform have called both my son's that twice today he set up. Let's start with Bannon Tommy How you hold it up. What's the vibe on the war room, podcast is tough weekends. lot of denial of anger, let a bargaining and working through at the vibe on Albania I cast was defiance ban and didn't host today for obvious reasons,

guess, toast Peter tomorrow's. Their newish line and I've been listening long enough that I noticed the difference in line today was at the January. Six movement was a peaceful strategy that ban and came up with. They give him credit for coming up with which an interesting legal strategy, but the idea was to challenge the results in the house, send them back to the battleground states and then draw attention to election irregularities in that peaceful effort was disrupted by violence. There was instigated by wait for an FBI informants and then Pence betrayed Trump, because his cook brothers, plant chief of staff, Mark short, wanted to clear the field, four pence in twenty twenty four that is like this, not verbatim, but that is all that was said. Tat I mean. Can I just say that even that giant sack of bull shit is filled with lies, because the actual strategy now detailed and several memos was, do not send it back to the states to to make awareness of what happened. It was to send it to the house.

so that the number of state legislatures in the house representing the house with Republicans, have more of them and that they could just throw the election to Donald Trump. They weren't there are challenging the election. They were going to steal the electoral yet had anything, but then it as the point right that that might pence prevented them from doing that. I dont think Stephen and disagrees with you. I think they wanted to win the election. You know in a new way the report by Anne my pants, I just call it a new way to wear that's worth. Having that's how I don't. I don't think he'd be like these memos. I think the only part there now trying to create distance with is the instigation of actual physical violence. That's the only part, I think data want to be associated with. They want to be associated with every other piece of it up to and including throwing out the electors. They have. No, that's that's great to them. Yet I think, like I've been and could be, really got trouble, but from a pr and a personal brain,

perspective. Like he's a pagan shit- and I think I see what you need to understand about have abandoned me- you ecosystem views the world like the territory, that's been ploughed for this this day. They believed that the January six insurrectionists are political prisoners who are being held, because that's what Nancy Policy once they think that Trump supporters were arrested for trespassing or other crimes are innocent. Patriots were basely set up by these FBI informants. It sounds crazy to us without so they hear day after day. The other interesting thing is it Marjorie. Taylor, green has woken up to the reality that prison conditions are really bad, and so there very upset about that all of a sudden, but danish rest will be folded into this broader martyrdom narrative- and it is all framed in these- a cup apocalyptic terms in some China's behind a lot of it in their world so bad, it doesn't speak for the entire

Magua universes surly, there's all sorts of slivers of this cult, but like this is a lot of people are hearing these messages all day every day. I didn't exactly right. You know David from ETA peace, but this in the Atlantic, where he was basically saying this, isn't a smart legal strategy from banning, but that's not the point. It's not only strategy. It's a political strategy and the other side. All of us need to recognise that, because, if we learned thing from Mauler from impeachment it was like Mahler will save. The law will save us, but like that's, not the game that they're playing here and he writes. The fight to uphold law cannot be won by law itself, because the value law in the face of violence? Is the very thing that's being contested, the fight a hesitant. It is an inescapably political fight to be one.

Whichever side can assemble the larger and more mobilized coalition bats would ban and in the rest of them understand about this in the legal stuff is all sort of small Balkans as our full political story. There tone one thing that the people have brought up Republicans are now saying is well. Democrats are doing this now, but if Republicans take the house like we're, gonna get revenge, you know we're gonna start enforcing congressional subpoenas and when we're gonna start, you know prosecuting Democrats. Would you worried about that love it Am I worried about congressional subpoenas being in force not nearly as much as I'm worried about a world in which congressional subpoenas don't mean anything ever no matter who is president, you know, look weeds What changed here actually has not who's in charge of Congress. Democrats were in charge of Congress during the trouble ministration were changed is who's in charge of it.

J and what's happening now, as I found the video j that as responsive to congressional subpoenas being upheld, basically upholding the law Don make with, without that, without the intervention of d o J, your Don began Subpoena take took two years to come to a settlement that Eric holder subpoena from the Obama administration, took seven years to play out, like we ve had this problem for a long time of war of the inability of Congress to exert its power to enforce subpoenas against executive rent. This is the first contempt of Congress short. Nineteen. Eighty three and I believe it's no one- has ever been prosecuted before for contempt of Congress when executive privilege was asserted now, in this instance, executive privilege being asserted is ludicrous because deep down and let the White House in twenty seventeen, but the out its president's at yet mean that I will say to that- is only deal J. Just did this on their own right. There

The FBI investigated a grand jury was convened, the grand jury, indicted, Steve abandoned and basically the d o J said. Okay, we will allow it to move for right and they're going to try to make this into like political retribution, but you know this was also followed by the law here right and it is so agreed. Just me, that's, that is, I think, where you know a ban and clearly had a choice right. It was to defy the whole thing declared a farce, be a political prisoner. He could have shown up answered certain questions not answered. Others invoked privilege in a kind of completely unacceptable way, but but in a less kind of dramatic and glaring annual defiant way than he did hear right. Maybe that would have been a better legal strategy, but it would have been a better strategy for him as a person who is still being the plate same place. He is right now, which is defying rational supply of analogous to do it in a fun way.

on courthouse steps, call the whole thing a farce. Making content for Tommy and again this is all about Canada. Keep him I'd every thing happening now in this country is content based? Yes, that's it you're onto it, base democracy absolutely added to it. progress on the idea that, in the content, creation is fully integrated with the motivation of said content, because you create this apocalyptic the I'll get it and then you sell gold too. Scared What are we? What happens on the show? I will say the one thing that does worry like we are in position where ban and has been indicted, because the Department of Justice was willing to pursue this when I think if it was still a trump tee, o J, they wouldn't have been. One of the reforms that Congress has been talking about is a way to kind of fast track. So Venus through the judicial system, without having to rely on the administration. That is probably a power we want Congress to have, but we should all be really fucking worried about what happens when, as in the unscrupulous hands, if someone like Jim Jordan,

is a real, tough bargain. We have to decide on if what we, how powerful, due on Congress to be look Republicans, take over Congress and they subpoena, though all the Bite administration officials testify, the binary patient officials are gonna, go testify, there's a guy, I mean that's. What Jimmy Jordan is wrong again. Roads had enough to testify about Benghazi. They didn't assert blanket subpoenas. They just negotiated. Write directly. Tell me what you think about trumps comments to John Carl about my pants. The basically just admit that he he did pressure him to do this and then, when he was asked about the chance of people wanting to hang, my pants was just a day or whatever you know it's come assets. Yeah deeply chilling to take away from John Curls interview with Trump about pants is that he has no regrets, not just that Trump believes that threats of physical violence and violence generally that happen that day it was justified. It was fine, you know he understood

and it- and I think whatever unease understand is that the rhetoric around the big lie from that from the very beginning to now is getting more. He did not less is getting more apocalyptic and not let like this is wards is good versus evil. The election was Poland or war with China is inevitable, and things is setting up a scheme, a situation where violence has happened. It has been defended right, Ashley Babbitt is a hero and a patriot, and I think it's going to lead to more violence, and I think it's directly from comments like this well and recognize the shift as well at the beginning. When it first happened, it was of the insurrection, wasn't real, there wasn't much violence, was anti for that did it now, it's oh yeah. It happened and it was good noted in his nephew false flag. It was, it was good. What happened these were these were. Protesters in this is bliss is what should have happened. So here's a response to Trump from Wyomings John Barroso, the third ranking republican senator So he says: hang my pants is common sense. Can your PA

tolerate a leader who defends murderous chance against his own. Vice president will. But let me just say: the Republican Party is incredibly united right now, I'm in love it. I guess that qualifies the basically true faith met its I'm. Just hang my parents common sense what's your day I think we're united. We all want to kill the guy here's a thing who among us hasn't want to murder MIKE pants. That's the republican position, but the I do think there's something similar regime, a browser didn't what prompted, because what job actually doesn't that statement, kind of glosses over what what Jonathan Carl says about the hanging of my pants. You just keep yes making his previous point, but I dont know that light. that doesn't like make it better like trouble just completely unfazed by the prospect of my pants being murdered. whether or not my pence is alive or dead is sort of an incidental issue for him?

with browser, it's the same thing. It's like look, whether or not its common sense to murder my pants. Obviously I am not going to say it, but you know I don't agree purse. on browser doesn't want to learn or like pets, but he's not gonna Tita ease up on it, Second, I sit here like an idiot and disagree with Donald Trump on something fundamental as whether to hang my pants if its applying typical political talking points to an extreme situation in politics. It would never doubt with right, which is like about hanging mopeds. George, you always want to look back. I want to look for and getting but they're gonna kill the Vice President George you're, trying to distracted inflation targeting gotcha.

it's it's it's a cousin of Donald Trump, calling Chris Christie on his death bed from carbon sink Toby. We got this for me. Oh my! Well, hey I'll! Tell you oughta, you know what you want to talk about hanging my pants, also at how the middle class in this country has been hung out to dry speaking, of course, Christy you, ve got a new book coming out here. didn't interview with Maggie Haber men and he's you know you big, tough guy now is criticising. Tromp is telling the party. If we look back on when twenty the whole time work lose and, and Trump should be part of the party for looking back on twenty times, but then he's oh yeah, well known when I know now, I still would have supported dumb Trump over Joe Biden. That's what this fuckin guy, I mean like crises, utterly full shed everything he says and does is about helping himself politically. If I'd about money on it. I would bet that Chris Christie falls back in line and six months, eight,

twelve months. That's what I am interested in seeing you like. I wanted to take this message on the road. I wanted to go out and say you lost on the trump you're a loser. You lost a Joe Biden, who you told us was brain dead at the time and the question is Christy continue to do this, and also will we ever do it? I conservative out right he's talking on Fox NEWS right now he was on a b c your time, CNN right places were conservatives aren't watching placed places where you can try to rehab his image with the elite media, and I really deliver a message to the markets base that I would love to have inundated with this kind of trumpets, a loser message we're talking about all this, because what else you gonna do at this point. Obviously all deadly serious like how big a deal should Democrats make this liking. I watch these stories over the weekend. You know their John Crowbar got some some good pick up. Obviously they talked about in the sun.

Shows some of it is it doesn't get more courage because we ve known at all for a while trumpets admitted all this he's very open about it. But, like I dunno we're headed into another. We're gonna get into a mid term election and then a presidential election where, by all accounts, don't trump is going to run for peace. and again, and you know the odds on favorite to become the republican nominee like. How should Democrats talk about this about big of a deal? Should they should they make it? love it yeah me is very similar to the like the question about how to make a big deal about not just the insurrection but of the fact that Republicans briefly were honest about it serious and bad. It was, and then with a matter of hours, if not days, abandoned opposition and fell in line, and now now are either lying about it, pretending it didn't happen or, according it off from their brain, somehow, to continue to support. Donald Trump reminds me of how we about the problems of impeachment, which is, I think, a lot of Denmark

ass. There were being really cynical and political may be fairly said. If we do this, maybe it feels like the right thing to do, but it will hurt us political and I think we have been struggling as a party now for five years- for how to talk about the democratic threat that Trump poses for how to make that tangible, the people outside of the few moments when it was obvious and clear and dramatic, and violent and smoke coming out of a capital and so like. Should it be a big deal? Of course it should it's one of the greatest threats her face. How should we make it a part of these campaigns as we hadn't next year, when we're trying to also talk about infrastructure and- chief meant and like the issue, that really matter to people, I have no idea. It has been a difficult path, bloom for us for years now, Tommy. I think you can make a broader message about the extremity of the modern Republican Party in a piece of that should be,

John Barroso, as I believe his name there were all rallying around their willingness to hang my pants at the piece of it. Thine violence, a generous, but there is also the fact that, House representatives is talking about expelling thirteen members of the Republican Party for voting for an infrastructure bill bright, leaving the beginning dad

thereupon, the liberal roads right, exert like up measurements Fun Barack Obama would have with that kind of message you can you can make it funny you can make it like make it lighter and just talk about how extreme this party is in and how absurd it is to be opposed to roads and bridges. Because Democrats support the Marjorie Taylor Green is calling these people traders, not just good Democrats support the like of yet like other up it's a by partisan bill that their own republican colleagues in the Senate helped negotiate. Nineteen Republicans and Centric Fred up and get death threats for voting for roads says hopeful crazy one less. What last piece of data on this priorities, USA, which is the biggest democratic super pact, did some recent pulling in battleground states after the Virginia elections they tested twenty five messages: thirteen pro democratic message, twelve anti republican message they tested among swing voters and among new and infrequent Biden voters from twenty twenty number, one most effective message among both groups with his boat Democrats, making the tax system

error. Making rich and corporations pay more. Also up. There was Democrats voting for the rescue plan. Republicans voting against it. Infrastructure is popular with the swing voters, but of the twenty five messages. A message on the big lie in January Sixth, ranked fifth among swing. Voters and sixth among new and infrequent bind voters. So it's a good thing: it's it's not like number one or number two, but of twenty five messages. It's up there you know like it is, if an that's, that's not just with democratic base. Voters at swing voters, United people who, having voted of- and I do think the way like there is a way to kind of tie them together, which is that, like. and I would imagine if you'd like message around like being willing to work with people. You disagree with and not seeing Republicans and Democrats as enemies, assuming that always consistently poles they really well, and there is something to be set out about. Like you know, these people hate Democrats so much they are willing to burn the capital down and that's not just dangerous obvious- is incredibly dangerous to not ugly

in these basic democratic values. It also means are not willing to work with these people to get things done right like there's a way that, like you, can see even like kind of means. But you can. You can see a kind of basic message that tries to put those two things together in some way. Yet let's come together and agree not to MIKE Pets, yeah or at least understand that in politics some people want to hang my pen, some people delbert all human beings, except for my cats. I will leave it therefore, now when we come back, we will do we're Obama, economic adviser, Ostend, ghouls, be about inflation. Pod, save America broadly by Alex I've had my helix mattress for years and its it's great.

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promo code cricket, one of the biggest drags on the economy. An President Biden approval rating is inflation which had its highest level in thirty years last month, as prices rose more than six percent between September October. Republicans are ecstatic about the political opportunity with Senator Rick Scott saying this is a gold mine for us. So what can the president actually do? This joining us is our old friend from the Obama campaign and then the Obama Whitehouse the man who took pity on a speechwriter never taken. An economics class impatiently taught me how to explain credit default swaps to the american people. The former chair of the White House, Council of Economic advisers, Austin goals, be welcome back to the palace and right and are you, then you were teaching the class you just learn- you became the teacher yeah. No, I steered the administration through that early crisis is what I like to topple the green shoots,

recovery seller was, I agree about. That was my idea. Yet no boy, I'm ok, so asked when you are on the show. In August, you told Dan that there was this debate. Economists about whether inflation was permanent or temporary and right. You said that you are on team temporary. Are you still on team temporary, I'm still on team temper and they alone team temporary, because it still the case that the most of this inflation is concentrated on all of those physic? goods where the supply chain is as got this problem. Happening all around the world. You got Germany's got the highest inflation and twenty nine years. China has got its eyes inflation in twenty six years and I think that's all because we're still in this weird period where people are buying physical stuff in a way that they normally don't they

finally by services and if the whole world tries to go by tvs at the same time, the system has not designed for that and the price is gonna go up on all of that. So our old colleague wary summers. You know him pretty shy kind of guy. He he just issued an edict in the Washington post. Today there was headlines, pastime for team temporary to stand down. Are you guys gonna have like a nerd fight? What I don't like the thing is As you know, the easiest Smart guy, he predicted that there would be not just inflation. And he predicted there would be more. Inflation, then Nobody else, including me, was giving credit at the time the thing that I've still in the end, I have talked to worry about it. The thing I still can't quite put my hand alone is if you look at them.

Last time we had this experience of inflation in the night and Seventys when oil prices we're going up and a bunch of things went wrong. The conventional wisdom among economists coming out of that period was that if the thing causing inflation is a supply shock tightening monetary policy raising the interest rate is not the right thing to do. Hence I had some out we ve either lost that lesson or I've decided that this isn't a supply shock, but I think it is, I think, of you, go look at that so far. That's what it looks like and, as you know, my my bias is that this virus is driving. This whole thing, this wasn't a normal regression. It look anything like a recession. It was massive downturn caused by the virus. If you can try will the virus we go back?

to spending money on services like we normally do and when that happens, It's going to relieve the pressure on this obliged as what I think, he says we need to stand down of your team Deborah, because, because why we, the my view you always was that you, ve gotta, wait till the summer end of this body, beginning of the summer, so that you're more than one year after the collapse before you would start to see. Go back to normal on inflation dead to me, that's temporary, but maybe, if If you wanted it in a month, then you say I know its permanent was so, let's go back to the seven so the Carter era, discos on the radio people are watching on the family or whatever. So you ve caught

miss like Alan Blinder, who say that inflation, the seventies, was in part driven by psychology. People felt like inflation was here to stay and it became the self fulfilling prophecy see. Do you agree with that? And if so, how do you break inflation of the mind? Are critical to their inflation of a light weight in a way Give me back. I was just a kid. You know when this, when this inflation was going on, the thing is that the economists call that the inflation expectations and the unions were much more powerful than there were men and they were more involved in the private sector. and so there were more collective bargaining and so of inflation was five percent, then in wages

negotiations may be like. Well there, five percent inflation. We want six percent waging Greece and then, if we got six percent wage increase a company like our cause or of six percent, we gotta raise prices. Six percent. You know you get on that circle, that's what they call the wage price viral. I think that is kind of what happened in, I didn't seventies, and then you gotta decide. Do you think that didn't the rule of nineteen. Seventy seven, you know the fashion roles apply and The music rolls down apply, showed the economic inflation rules apply now, and this is kind of like what I what I said a couple months ago, when we talk If you look in the last thirty years, three Different times we ve got unemployment rate down to four and a half for even three and a half percent without generating sustain inflation. So the question I have is

the unemployment rate is still a fair bit above that so why would that generate sustain inflation now when it didn't forty ninety, I meant we had the unemployment rate down to three and eight percent and and wasn't generating that kind of inflation. So that's why I'm still In my heart on deem temporary alive but that is not like you. Remember that you remember that we on the morning now the guy who gives rise the way a bizarre die and he puts it. He puts a brutal kirby on the radio and he s, although horn, and he does oh is: he walked along a walk, or do I have to date, a firearm Moody's as sir in my heart I know him

I gotta get up there that might be made by our. I remain team, temporary. Ok, this is higher inflation and then people saw. I don't think it's from the argument that this is from the? U S, spending too much on stimulus. I still think that there's maybe some holes in an argument, because if you look around the world, ports are backed up all over the place. Inflation is way up all over the place include, in places where they didn't have a big fiscal response and what we will there's the argument that beats, because we spend too much Einstein This will Republicans or want to say now is. Ok will now just pass this infrastructure bill and even worse, you can pass this build back better bill. That's gonna be four five trip dollars, total and spending over the year. This is a disaster. This is what's causing inflation. Why is that- argument wrong in your view. Well, I think that

arguments wrong on a couple gouts. The first is this bill is basically paid for. So if you raise taxes to pay for whatever you're spending was, it would add nothing to the stimulus come down it and so the so. That part would be irrelevant now. My experience has been of use, say. Two Republicans, hey, I'm taking your idea seriously. Maybe nation double our efforts to raise taxes on high income people to make sure that there is no inflation. They don't accept that they accept that part of the argument, but the second thing I'd say it the inflation is a matter of a six to eighteen months, kind of timeframe and the bill bag better bill. is spread out over ten years and an added up over ten years

is a modest contribution, so the amount we contribute to inflation in the next six to eighteen months is really quite negligible and Larry summers himself says that they do they drive. get summers to attack bill bag better and he said no that has nothing to do with it that wouldn't increase inflation. and I fully agree with so I think we are just back in. We talked about in the summer the argument about unemployment insurance that it was there were republican, saying, let's not do any of the things that Joe Biden ran on and now wants to enact was not do them, because unemployment insurance, as is causing these problems and then, if you show them, but unemployment, yours is causing problems. You're lucky to have two states got rid of it. It didn't change the the amount

People are looking for work, then the other half get rid of the supplemental UAE same thing. didn't matter, they weren't saying it, because they actually thought that that's what the wood was causing the labour shortage. They were saying it because it was a convenient collegial to attack the the administration had the that's avenue us when we are in the Obama administration. Re would come up with our and after argument, why Obama should not be allowed to do the things that he ran on and said he wanted to do when he one and it can, I feel like. Did we go back to that? Put then you're a calculator smoke, it Larry, Z, And putting on my political, a hack had not that I ever took it up, I mean the other thing I can confirm eyes a consumer is that gas prices

I'm high in all of our years. In politics, gas prices of always seem to have had this outside impact on voter sentiment in frustration, their speculation as to why some people say the saturdays are keeping supply artificially low and prices high, because Mohammed Bin, Salman, the crown prince, who is a sociopath murderer, is mad. Cuz you'll Biden won't meet with him. There are- these reports, where someone floats letting gasoline out of these strategic petroleum reserve that took me back to the army as is well in the old days, are there things like combined? Do anything by gas prices is a stupid debate every time it comes up anything it's it's me, we appoint, was debate in the immediate term. What people want is the price of gas that go down this week I mean- and I just took my car sixty eight box to travel by car so Ever people wanted to go down this week. There is not at all. You can do to make the price goes down this week for sure why

the OPEC. The thing to remember is there wasn't time when OPEC dominated all the action now, there's a lot of other countries that origin OPEC that also produce oil, no, what the Russians are doing, but it seems like their constantly making mischief and in both oil and every other kind of market blown up, saddle tonight, for there will hold up satellites junk and come on just two hours in space and none. So I know that When we shut down the I ran deal, you ve got Kay ass. In a bunch of oil producing countries, production is relatively low. We went through this shale and fracturing boom in the. U S, followed by bossed when the prizes went down now the prizes are back up. You normally think. Ok, we want all of those fracturing she'll producers come back what thereof,

that's a lot of their financing. As like war war, wait a minute, you're ready, burn us twice? We just did this surprised went up you all went in there you pump so much oil that the price collapse, and then we lost our money. So I think we got on the diplomatic front at look, I don't you geyser that foreign policy experts, if we could get the Iranians deal back going so that we would have more production. I think that what matter yet Tommy you gotta good. If this indeed you petroleum reserve. I wrote thing a long time ago that I thought we ought to operate it like how my mom used to be with the toilet paper and in earth. Which was she wanted to have two weeks of toilet paper, and so, if the thing is to replace U S, production kind of go figure out what the? U S production rate

is and say here's how many days of U S, production. If we were interrupted it here's how many days of use we could use that has usually, if you follow that type of law, jack, it says you can draw down the strategic petroleum reserve. We have been anything where we got it so fall they really could not add any more to it. It was it was that full and it probably doesn't make sense to keep that full But overall, look like I say A worldwide thing, all the country so the world are trying to come booming back all at once. The supply of oil, is not there to satisfy that, and that's why the prices high, not just in the EU, West everywhere in the world prices. I so there's not much that I can do in the short term about the price of ass, his limited number of tools to affect inflation.

You are sitting in the White House right now in your old job, but what would you be advising Joe Biden to do about all of this? Since it's not doing it's not doing great things, Ridgepole numbers, that's for sure for sure, but the pull numbers I mean the to two and a half things. Remember our first. The pole numbers tend not to just reflect what happened this week, their accumulated over a few months, and we there's no question. We had a tough summer in which the Delta, via the variant, came back the virus research. We had a bunch of slow down of the of economic growth since a few months of jobs numbers at word that great. So I think the fact that the approval rate on the economy deteriorated. I think it's kind of understandable, but the last job numbers were stellar outstanding

order line amazing, six hundred thousand jobs in a single month in the private sector. If you put up two three four lots of half a million jobs a month. I think people's attitude is going to improve if we get incomes growing back faster job growth, faster. Second, as part of this rescue plan, we gave people money to come what we knew. We're gonna be costs of this recovery. So we had this. We had this phase the image of the woman on CNN, who had denied kids and says you by twelve gallons of milk. We read in the press one up, one dollar, a gallon, ok, but the thing is the child tax. Credit The Joe Biden Pass would have given that woman six thousand dollars. So, you buy a lot about six thousand dollars go through. I do think. Let's lets you baron.

I find that the very thing about the rescue plan that their condemning is also a benefit which is up it's giving people money that they did. They can use to deal with this and then the third just because this is a multi month. Phenomena and he's gonna be grumpy and paper gonna be annoyed and you can see why doesn't mean we there's too many negatives in that doesn't mean we shouldn't. We should do all the blocking and tackling that we can to improve the supply side and the bottlenecks on the supply chain, and that means whatever money can be pulled forward from this infrastructure bill they signed today, and they should do it. They should have

work on go down to the ports to rail to trucking, if they can show by engine, loosened eyes of his action at all the things that you can do to help get the supply chain. I thought that will matter for inflation over a multi month period, not in one month but over a multi money and go get more bags? aids, you slow the spread of the virus. Like I say you can get people going back to spending their money Disneyland. restaurants and blah blah blah and buying fewer tvs? And that will relieve some of the pressure? Good advice. Awesome My final question: for you: it's not about inflation. This is sort of the budget, the dorm room, kind of question that I've always wondered so over the past DEC or so we have seen literally true of dollars in value created out of nothing in the form of crypto currency?

afternoon are no Tommy's on this ripped out. I'm curious, not a crypto brow. I wish I'd I've gotTa Krypton Elbow guy, like that afternoon, though I looked that the market cap for Bitcoin alone is one point, two trillion dollars. What is that, due to the global economy like rabbit out of a hat wealth creation. One day we decide that there's another couple trillion dollars worth of value in the world. What thou yet look is speculative speculative investments. I should have said by the way on the matter of

inflation. You know, I'm an economist, so I'm gonna say: go get rid of all the stupid trump tariffs. They re increase taxes that was eight tax increase on the American Middle class of two thousand dollars of family. If you go get rid of some of those tariffs, you can put more money back and people's back and criteria that in the thing about Bitcoin, NF, tease and other online stuff. You know that if somebody makes a painting and a bunch of people say yet I paintings worth a lot yet In a way you can create sets out a nothing, but the whole puzzled to the to the economist is

Is that really a currency? That's not a currency like if you're thinking in your mind, that's going to replace the dollar. It's really not, it doesn't have the doesn't, have the attributes of a currency, it has the after abuse of a speculative investment and if you're going to go, invest in speculative investment. I do think you want to think about some of the basic economics like well, what are the substitutes and what

stop every other jerk from taking his pet, taking a picture of it and calling it. You know I reset coin, whatever we're back to the what they called the free banking era. There was a time when banks created their own money like the eighteen and really sure garden of turn out. Lots of banks want a print their own money, because it's really creative minting money. You know what he had to cause. How much for the paper, and then you get a dollar four and none were prone to wear prone to bank runs, were prone to inflation, their prone to to crises of confidence in these various currencies. Now, I'm all for them. If you believe that one of these crypto currencies is better than all the others and now

better. How many new ones come in? There will always be demand for efficient bitcoin, something if you feel like they can get the transaction costs down so far. The transaction costs are really quite I, which is another reason why, really a currency. If, if there's some reason why this was worth betting on verses, all the others, then fine but just recognizes really risky and it and then you get to these enough tease and it's like come on. One NBA photo. They can't be specifically replica did, but they can just take another photo of the same player one second later it's hard for me to understand how that stuff can be worth five hundred thousand, that the board ape and after you sold for two points,

seven million dollars guy. That's a good idea to back and put the tea. Annetta have d! You you you you ve got it. Tom is gonna, come tomorrow with a doodle coin. You're the guy put a big baby. I there's one some like Sheena Ebay COIN or something up, one thousand percent this year. Eighty one, and what they do and that's a competitor to the other one, the Doge coin, which should have been pronounced. Doggie coin, whether what what are they I don't understand? It's fun to watch. It is funded z, you know, I'm ready kids coming, and so are you are you? What do you think about Crypto, professor is yes well asked and I look forward to it. to you again, some time when you help me right a speech explaining to the country. Why we're in a financial crisis because of krypton, we going to have to get my crypto malaise wetter

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by Democrats and Republicans at a signing ceremony for the infrastructure bill, which is now the infrastructure law, a historic investment in transportation that will deliver jobs, roads, bridges, public transit, clean water, all kinds of good stuff. Also joining Biden were vice president calmly. Harris transport. And secretary put a judge in former New Orleans Mare, slash New Whitehouse infrastructure Manager, Mitchell Andrew all of whom have recently been the subjects way to early DC media speculation, about whether they'll run for president twenty twenty four, despite the fact that Joe Biden assaying publicly and privately that he'll run again The latest in the genre, is an incredibly long. And so on the weekend so long it took most of them. Monday to read it. The peace was about the relationship between Biden and Harris and it starts

worn out by what they see as entrenched dysfunction and lack of focus. Key West Wing AIDS have largely thrown up their hands at vice president commonly Harrison her staff deciding their simply isn't time to deal with them right now, while quote many in the vice president's circle, fume that she's not being adequately prepared. First of all, first of all, you guys think this is a record for early speculation about an election, three years away like. Why do you think it's happening so said, but why? You think they're speculation about the next democratic nominee when the current one is? Seventy eight unpopular and talks about, I was gonna pay, the torch to a new generation is where it probably has something to do with it. The correct answer, yeah that might have something to do with it I find this analysis anywhere and by the way I would bet if you go back, it does feel early. But I imagine, if you go back and look, you can find some fuckin like day

after the inauguration speculation. every four years. You know it just feels due to ask has been a while. I may look if we don't know why Joe Biden is planning a what he's thinking, but if Joe Biden had decided but or the election, even that he wasn't gonna run for second term. He wouldn't say it here probably even tell a lot of close advisers that because then you're lame duck president. When we don't know what he's thinking, but you know there has been reporting that, of course, on one hand, like you, said, love it he wants to he. He said publicly said us during the election. He want to be a bridge so the next generation. On the other hand, there is reporting that he's thought, like I'm, the only person alive whose beaten Donald Trump in an election and I want to make sure that of down trump runs again. We better be damn sure that the next moment he can do the same right. So that's probably in his mind as well, but I'm sure that's. What's that's, gonna what did you? What did you make a story about data about the vice President agreed on the length

It was a. It was a mess for a lot of reasons, so, starting with the vice presidency, my eye, here's their frustrations on on a lot of points like the coverage of the vice president's foreign trips, was often absurd. Yes, the interview with Lester Holt was that it was an unforced error, but some of the coverage are impossibly high for her, like the going to Guatemala didn't solve corruption in Guatemala. The New York Times wrote that her visit to Singapore and Vietnam was bad because it happened as the government of Afghanistan was collapsing, which they wrote, forced her aides to answer. Questions quote about the historical parallel between that exodus in the: U Dot S evacuation of american citizens in nineteen. Seventy five from

God, I'm sorry that is just stupid. The media chose that angle, not Harris or her AIDS, that this recent trip to France comes on the heel of a diplomatic dust up, but the? U S and the French that she had nothing to do with seems like she did a pretty good job of playing mob duty for mistake she didn't make. I think her team is right to be furious at ostensibly serious reporters like Bloomberg White, as Rapporteur regarded eating rightwing nonsense, that she was faking, a french accent that was three. There is a saying, no true, that it was just straight up idiocy, but here's the problem for Harris forbidden for everyone else that coverage is par for the course you never get the credit you want on foreign troops, there's always a domestic issue that overshadows what you're trying to do. That's how it goes in yes, the CNN story was too long. It was gotta, be bullshit and I'm sure annoying for everyone involved. But the people who ostensibly we're trying to spin forbidden

been for Harris made it all worse. Yet I complaining in the press and the people who are frustrated. The vice president has a shitty set of issues. Her plate are right on the one hand, but on the other hand the presidency is an hour cart. You get all the You know what I mean. It's only get worse if she runs were present and gets elected, so I get their frustration. We lived through it with Obama. Fox news. Conservative outlets clearly target her because of her race because of their gender. That is given, but I do think to solve these kind of problems. The only way you can deal with it is behind the scenes of you work it out behind the scenes. Biden should tell his staff that if he catches them leaking about her their fuckin fired, she should tell her staff and supporters to lock it down and not talk to the press, specially ones who are known troublemakers, unlike go from their show me any example of win a bunch of anonymous leaked to the press, served anyone, but the reporters writing the fucking,

story. How many times we say this is like so crazy. As you know, it's it's donors were always fucking ollinger. Now you tell the donors you can: always you can t donors because they always always alot of on is also a kind of. I think part of these stories were able with it where it's like. You know, once again, she's been poorly served by her staff? Would you know, as a donor kind of coming and like making a critique from the outside with no with no knowledge? The other thing I would say about this too, as it was gossipy and also really kind of devoid of any kind of specific and good gossip I was like. Can we get any kind of conference? Is that there is zero confrontations, there's zero, actual kind of real dramatic in fighting in Peace. It just seems like a lot of boiled up minor restorations added up into a kind of narrative from talking to like several dozen people and like the like. This idea that

reason these problems are happening is because of a question on a foreign trip bore or poorly chosen answer at a specific event like nano. These are first patients from a moment in which both of their approval ratings are way lower than they want them to be heading into the mid terms. After really tough period. It is like that is what this story is ultimately about right, like it's not about it. The specifics there are so kind of soft and thin and they're not our doubting that any of them are not accurate, but it's like yeah. Like you, you know you, you call. You call, sir, a dozen people who are in ache in a building that feels a little bit under siege and frustrated. You can now a story about a meter, that went poorly and in an event, cheating get to go to, etc, etc, etc, and I will say

when the reasons were covering. This is not because of a single CNN story that there has been a number of these stories over the last several months. This is the most extensive. By far and innovative, they talked a three dozen whoever's for the story, but, like politico did a piece on like they ve been a hang onto the story, so this is sort of like bubbled up at this point, which is why I am worth talking about, but I also think like look. No vice, president in history has been comfortable or satisfied in that role they made an entire hit. Televisions show based on that premise of luck. What vice? What? If I would like to be Vice President Lloyd us like this is this is just what happens right like you're in a weird job. You don't have a lot of power. Your there, your heart, beat away from the presidency you're trying to figure out your role is going to figure you do. It's hard it's been, it was hard for Joe Biden. It was hard for all the vice presidents before him. You know like that's just that sort of how it goes. I mean Joe Biden has what what's yours

because the Joe Biden has sat where calmly Harris's now having been in the White House Tommy what you think made his partnership with Obama Workin, and what do you think is reputable from that do so there is clearly a genuine friendship and respect that I think kept things together kept the lid on when times were tough. They dealt with zero of this current speculation. That Obama would run for second terms that was not on the horizon and in it is vital that it wasn't gonna, run yeah right, and you know like it. I think was also a lot more obvious how Joe Biden experience complemented Obama, there were more clearly defined rules at flowed from that rights. Are the that recovery act? Implementation Biden was handed the Iraq draw down process. Congressional negotiations could be known these people for thirty forty years, that doesn't things always went well. There are some pretty high profile blobs over Mary.

Equality or other either unforced areas right in hindsight they all seem very rosy, but I think the friendship, mutual respect, clarity on roles, disposition of the two like got them through it, and I do not think that your work it out has been a very rough month. Yeah or site has been a rough year for the president and vice president, you have if, if this report asserted chasing down story, the narrative for this scene and peace in Like August yeah, but you could call out of people who are frustrated yet, and there was a lot of talk in the piece about like she got handed set of issues that are really tough and it was anything like you have it all. The issues are tough, frightened jobs, Lennox. What's the east or the easy issues out there, I gotta deriving from the Harris like standing on the southern border, and I turn on television as he Mitchell, Andrew, with a hard hat with a fuckin shovel cutting the ribbon. Ivy like I picked wrong because she was

Therefore, having I wish. I was good points as mismanages. Plugin routers in at a school she's in Guatemala, tell them not to come here to work in palm deal here. But back over after that story. After this weekend the cobbler Harrison staff. and probably commentaries herself when she's in a meeting with Joe Biden is like hey as Peat and Mitch Lander out there, cotton ribbons projects can I get some of that and she should re like she should go there and do that as well. Look the immigration portfolio, gave her because he was given that portfolio by Och Obama, so he sort of past to be paid. It forward voting, voting rights is one that she asked for which he got an and, like all worlds, tough, on voted Tavis you it's not her fault, that it's a fucking, tough issue, and it's not your fault. It's fuckin, Joe mentioning Pearson Cinemas

How many times have we been over this? You know and the like, while she privately wants to go to the full buster will now Joe Biden set it publicly to great it's not moving Joe Mention CARE Cinema again, that's not Combo Harris's fault! That's not your binds fault that fucking Joe mentioning hears instead of his fault. Will you These are the two as it s what I think this happens, a lot of political coverage of these kinds of internal fights, which is is this about a pr strategy to make her look like a president or is about her actual involvement in the administration. Solving problems is, out. I mean there's something they patronising in the Sea and Mps Rogers like she was denied the opportune we need to learn at the foot of a master about like congressional negotiations, some guy weird shit there, but on the whole, I think I ll give you want, do if, if the issue here is that she's been handed issues that are very very difficult well, then sounds like that our problem that maybe some you'd want someone who may be the nominee to kind of tackle right or if it is about getting or headlines yeah she should get the fuck and heart had on and go torn esplanade until

about how many jobs this projects going to create? I'm ok with either outcome. To be honest, what kind of political smile I do think being transportation Her terrier, managing the new infrastructure funding gives a people to judge Mitch landed at this field, a touch ronicky. What I'm look, I'm a big Mitch Lander fan. I think peat is doing a great job. He's already he's a great spokesperson for you Ministration he's already made secretary of transportation are bigger job than most people ever make it right like nor Minetta, wasn't getting about an hour, Minetta Asthma, that the ally at oh, my god, I'm sure both of them will like have equal opportunities. You're like level like they will plugin routers. They will work with state and local officials like they'll, get to deliver stuff and do good for communities. But the idea that this is some giant political gift for them is just like it. It presupposes that most political discourse is about

substance, wiping the last few years under its own, I even music, let it doesn't like You live in a world where people see on the news that somebody's built road and neighbour member, like, like wit, where is this fantasy land of democracy? Where, like you know, I like that, Andrew, I saw him. I open up a new word tunnel between my house in my neighbour's house. Nonsense. I D hit it it's as, if the ale daylight people, I don't matter like, I realized, I'll talk about speculation happens early in ways. We said: there's a reason for the speculation with this particular president, but it's it's two thousand and twenty one right and like infrastructure projects. Now what PETE's going to do with lasers going to do what doing like this is just not gonna matter when, if, if there is a primary in twenty twenty three, which is still enough by the way so like

idea that everyone's gaming everything has now like, I'm sure they are privately, what their staff and stuff like that. But the idea that it's actually consequential what happens right now with like cutting ribbons, I dont know think back to every election. That's ever happened in history and remember how stupid the issues were that were at the forum, Now you can never tell her that fit. Can anyone remember any of the issues from the twenty twenty primary that we'll get Ireland? I remember member and must have been twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen when he had marked Warner on the cover of awe of, of a magazine, energize magazine that big grin the next Preside Sates led subway, gotta com, the fuck down Marco Rubia was the heir apparent for republican Party. Has that gun early com, a mesh mayor, PETE, Amy Closure, any one of these people could lose it attributes this point. Just how mother that's

had hurt, that's done well and that no that's all. We have heard that I guess we're going in and a high, no beg you to ask and goals be for joining us in teaching us about inflation and helping Tommy become a crypto billionaire yeah. I'm a by now to buy Time is finally emitted by he's waiting outside of Europe, not just passing by with a clip it clip? It proposed a club it Sir Carpet! I need you to be low, more mature and cast it. Don't think so I think that this is right. This is radio, I believe. Like a moment. I was actually never got irish As I say sorry guys. I can hear you since the bad news. The resistance Blue John. My screen from Twitter has made it hard to see either about that to too much later, largest shaking head than ever studio back and malware or Jennifer Diary of Modern Day Mister Luddington out people Amelia.

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