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the driver. We have some fantastic guess with us tonight Knowledge reporter MIKE Isaac from the new york times is here. Also be joined by a couple, a democratic leaders. You know pretty well you're state representative, buffy, wicks. in your congresswoman, the legendary by really- and we are lucky And to be joined by Melissa, murray of strict scrutiny, the best in the podcast on the planet, I am so happy to be back in oakland back home and the town. You look good with four ring, so yeah fuck, that's a sports reference. Just simply not picked it up from the video. Alright, let's get to the news

The january six committee will hold to more hearings this week after some fairly heavy testimony last thursday, that the leaders york times summed up perfectly quote president Donald J trump continued, pressuring vice president mike pence to go with the plan to unilaterally overturn his election defeat. Even after he was told it was illegal. Mr trumps pressure campaign led his supporters to storm the capital. Sending MR pence fleeing for his life is. Rioters demanded his execution. great. So the hearings to witnesses were former pens lawyer, gregg Jacobs, who testified that trump was told in advance that his attempted coup was legal, go figure and retired, federal appeals, court judge, J, Michael leg and extremely conservative bush. A point

he who advised parents not to go along with the coup and warn the rest of us in his testimony. That quote, Donald trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to american democracy symbolism. The times had another piece over the weekend that basically argued federal prosecutors may still have a difficult challenge, proving that trump knew his actions were illegal. What do you think about that? And look what what the government have to prove here. So I think that's right. I think it is going to be difficult because you have to remember that donald trump is an inveterate, an unrepentant wire. and when you start with that, someone who lies consistently and changes a story repeatedly when you have to figure out

what his state of mind was at any given time. Like he's just constantly shifting, you can't really be sure that what you think is a state of mind or what you think evidence is pointing to ass. A state of mind is Actually- in that moment in they actually have to make out a pretty clear case that He not only knew that he had lost the election, that he knew, that the steps that was taking the things that he was doing was with the intent to overthrow. I would didn't we elected president and if he's constantly changing a story constantly shifting, I think that's harder, and some of this is coming closer to that, showing that he did know, but he keeps changing historic, like yeah I told her that I lost a binding, but then rudy talk to me and we decided that I hadn't actually lost to bite and constantly shifting, and I think that's the problem for federal prosecutors. Trying

make out a criminal case. That was, there are some news that illicit fairer, who is here with us communications director has said, told investigators the Donald trump turned to her and said: can you believe I lost the sky right after the after the results, but I did not that you know John eastman, who is the the trump lawyer who came up with the whole? Might pence can unilaterally decided with the president? It's scheme said in front of donald trump. I think this is not legal and social knowing that it's not legal, isn't it isn't enough for her first Well, let's say John eastman is giving all law. Professors are really bad name, he is the alan Dershowitz of Jonathan turley is oh specific for people you had a really good else at score- and I know you know what I'm talking I did and I do so

eastman says. I am not sure this is legal, but he also goes forward and says that the law dealing with the electoral college and the reporting of electoral college results is, in his view, unconstitutional, and that might give Donald the view that what he is doing is actually permissible, because the underlying law is unconstitutional, which creates another wrinkle for the process and also he's been also say in one of his many attempts to find a winding path. Overturning election like. actually congress has been breaking electoral college act this whole time, because technically the debate time is breaking rules in some small way where he's been sort of finding has around this. One question I had about this is looking. If it there's a v, filled with money in a bag? You have said for months that you believe it's yours. Despite there being no evidence you ve ever had any claim to. It You're still a bank robber you so broke. To the vault and took the money, even if no one ever Heard you admit that John. You know it isn't yours. So yes, I think, That is correct.

in case you get any ideas. I am telling you this whole prosecutor, things in a work out for you deep down. I believe I would have been an extraordinary lawyer. I know you would have that. I would have been delighted to teach you like. You would have been that guy yeah, we're not fund that guy and a good in the best way possible and the best way possible. So many get. I think we have a deal J. That's proceeding very deliberately, very cautiously, its headed by a judge, as someone who is known for being very deliberate, this would be an unprecedented prosecution of a former president, and I think they want to make sure that every tee is crossed every I is dotted and they're not going to move Unless there absolutely sure- and here I think, a lot going to have to come out like

there are lots in here for other kinds of suits, like civil suits, for example, which we may talk about with representative. We surely but a criminal is where you have to prove things beyond reasonable doubt. I think that might get them pause. Jury made of people from new york in DC and open. Would hang him and we are. We got We got so much stacked against, as we do our total college in the senate, but the one thing we got is it: the trials happened in new york and DC. That's that rules and oakland. We can do in the zone solar, I've got one of the more the more damning and ultimately, memorable revelations from thursdays hearing came from an email that Johnny's men sent to Rudy giuliani, which said I've cited that I should be on the pardon list if it's still in the works.

it is not a lawyer, but a high. Achieving else answer. First So where does the existence of a coup? Pardon list seem like that would be a problem for eastman trump. First of all, eastman again speaking, is? Is skills, as a lawyer seems very comfortable discussing his lawbreaking in tax t put it down in texas Weeds talks about it all the time it's pretty day to be asking for a part. Now they put it this one sentence in that's damning enough, but actually p have deciphered the blurry text around it What comes next is. I know this will taint me but which I think is really funny yeah, I think he's pretty fucked. That's it! That's your mozilla. Now, the other than those important right is that first the the the white house counsel was like hey man,

You're breaking the law, you should get a criminal offence attorney euro you're. This is illegal we are discussing, is illegal. Stop talking to me about this. It's illegal and it seems like there are a lot of people on John John, means call sheet who not saying I love this idea of the vice president for the first time in history singularly in charge of choosing a president there's a lot of people on the line are like no. This is criminal and bananas there yet clearly about about him. He do is committing a crime. He asked for a pardon maria go on, because you didn't. I got one and yet here we are so the times also reported that, according to his advisers, trump has been really pissed off watching the hearings, because you can't tweet through it. So do not

dmitri social, like that, it's true sure to take his ass and true thing is way through. There's all earring sat he's only routes or nothing getting the amplification that it deserves. His twelve page rambling statement from last week is not getting the application deserves. So after two hours of testimony how he nearly got his own vice president assassinated, because they refuse to go along with his crew. Here's how the twenty twenty four giovanni front runner responded at an event on friday. My parents had a chance to be great. he had a chance to be frankly historic, but just bill bar and the rest of these weak people. MIKE, and I say it sadly, because I like em, but might did not have the courage to act, so I said mike. If you do this, you could be thomas jefferson

and then after it all went down. I looked at him one day and is it mike eight to say this, but you know is everything those listening at home, we're watching a news max clip and halfway through trump, basically describing his entire criminal enterprise. Add for a gold coin: pops up! You can text trump to six five, five, three too. on qualifying orders. There is a disclaimer, so Dan trump also said in his speech. The january six was a quote, simple protest. They got out of hand any promise to pardon the january six defendants if it becomes president again what do you make of him responding to these hearings by doubling down good legal strategy, good political strategy, what you think well apparently can get away with

anything you can sincerely believe that a crime I had no idea now work, I very much like this question, because in this clip, because it is backs up my theory, the trump has lost his fastball. Because, if you think about thinking about the polling on this, which is seventy percent of republicans, believe some version of the big lie right that binds an illegitimate president was fraud involve whatever that is only twenty percent of republicans support would happen on January six. Fewer of that twenty percent- think that people should get a pardon. So what either actually sort of a shift in trump. which is just sixteen primarily, but also to a certain extent. Two thousand and twenty his campaign was a campaign where he he was the person fighting on behalf of other people's grievances. But in twenty twenty one, twenty four, this is a campaign entirely about his grievances. What happened to him

What people did him now, what you can do for other people and it is united? Nobody if it's a good legal tragedy, legal tragic generally, I imagine it into all the crimes are accused of his bad legal strategy. I soon but it's a terrible critic erratic from others also melissa natures uranus by erica. Your job is to defend the wall in marriage, garlands had message and did it filling out the fact I know it's, but so we like, he is picked the least popular part of a very popular issue- and it is, I think, if he is going to have it is legitimately vulnerable in an actually can test, public a primary. If what he's going to do is focused on defending the violence on in twenty twenty evasive hagen, it promised to give pardon

if people committed the violence is you can make all of the campaign about what happened to him in the past? Maybe in the future, there's there's absolutely an argument to be made for some republican challenger to trump in a primary that donald trump. I know I served this country well that Republican will say, but he is obsessed with the past and obsessed with this election and we need to focus on the future and thank you for your service, but let's like put them in the past, and he just keeps because he just keeps going back to two thousand and twenty every single chance. He get these very lucky that merit garlands approach depressed. Cohesion is imre, judge, lennox approach, the finishing his sentence I think the real are you There were out here too, given rhonda scientists, re advice on how to installs authority and state. I'm sure listening huge he's writing about that is by adding the real argument is the trumps. A loser can be Joe Biden right here. Like the entire right wing media, but that's bad.

No except for that, that's not for the past, it is, they ve all they ve all conceded the big light like they are missing chance right because we, as you pointed out most republicans, believed the big. lie, and these republicans have gone along with it. They missed their chance to call him a loser. They had their chance to say he lost to this guy, fair and square. We need somebody that can win, but they haven't been able to do it I mean. Does that was what you just heard from trump. Does that sort of add to his legal jeopardy or does it not matter this point everything time he opened his mouth? He adds to his will. Jeopardy. The lies he's lying I mean again. I think it really come back to. Can you pen all of this together, to show that not only is there conduct, but there is a scam. Of mind to do something with the intent to commit this cry like that's what he intends to do, and I think that

is harder and I am no merit garland apologists raining guy. to get a suits fitted up up up up. I don't care if you data when a trash bag and drew survey that exists today through the problem of america. Ireland is like a hunting, peck tapis. I think he's again now If you had put Sally gates at the head of d o j, I think we would have seen a lot more happening. I mean like he's Gee. That's why? he's do their deliberate, their purpose. We deliberate we needed. We need a deal J that will do to trumpet the bus go get a job. I just take him out at the knees. we're not ready to talk about that. Yet I have to meet the mix, the legal with a political. I have wondered what happens if the d o j indict sal trump and then Donald trump gets off, and what that means politically, that like they could not bring the case against him and then Donal

trump is suddenly running again is like an array to exonerate you miss all the shots. You don't take. No, I know I'm just saying if you're boston, it's something to consider all the time. You did the right thing by missing this. I just wanted to know that I came anyways had wanted. I didn't want to be here today. I can't even come so I think one of the most important moments of these of the hearing on thursday of the whole set of hearings was legs. Warning at the end that I mentioned earlier which is that that trump and his allies are remain a clear and present danger to democracy, and I just talked to a senior democratic strategist, the other week, who spends a lot of time looking at polls and focus groups- and he said you know, the good news is a lot more people than he thought are paying attention to these here things and there really having an impact on public opinion, but the real challenges, so much of it is a focus on trump and try

crimes and there's not enough focus on all the magyar republicans. Right now who may try to overturn the next election if it gets close. What do you guys think about that? Like? Is there too much focus on trump in the past These hearings is that just inevitable dan, what we decide what the fuck you disuse an anonymous source I mean I know it's going to know who it is to see. Now I wanna be a nerd. He remembered tat. He had smith legitimately alone and look I'm a real journalists arose Judy Tavis, so she was for me a few personal remark meadows she does. What do you think that I think that They wrote a book about this you're right. I did you ever hear the Thank you for that. One person We appreciate. That was how it has. Probably my daughter might not only audience skyland how it I think the way we have to take this forward.

and it is sort of unfair, to ask the hearings to be the people who carry the weight on this, because their task is to investigate what happened. And they are trying like it, took real courage and maybe not great kraft, you asked judge loaded liked looting to answer another question at the end of his life. Hookers win At the end of that hearing, they've been through everything that the clock's running out they're. Like can you answer this rooney? Ask you a question that could take normal person, seven minutes dancer, but I think that it falls on all of us to make their case about the danger going forward. and I think the way to make that real, is you, take it out of twenty twenty and take it out of trump and explain to people why this radical extreme minority in this country is trying to take power and what their I do with it, because there is a way to tie together, would have. On january. Six. What the supreme court's about to do due to Roby wade why we can't

common sense, gun control in this country. Why it's? We gas prices, keep them up in oil companies, keep getting giant tax breaks all those tied to the fact that there is a radical, Three minority who is power hungry I'll, do anything to take power in order to pay place. The extreme right wing agenda book bands attack Trans kids. All of those things is deeply unpopular things, and so we have to get it. I think a conversation about how democracy a polluter theory and system tat we ve, never perfected are really realise in this country is under dangers esoteric and we have to in a real people's lives and why it matters of it now I agree a. I agree no, no! I thought about I thought about this over the week over the weekend, because we saw that the texas republican platform came out texas in

they have in the platform that not only that binds victory in twenty twenty is illegitimate. They have in there that homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice. They call for the repeal. Of the voting rights, active nineteen sixty five in the european platform and that there should be a Twenty twenty three referendum on whether texas should secede from the union so that's the word from our collaborate. That's the texas republican platform right now, but I do the end. Look. I do think the committee is starting to do this. Do Adam kindling or gave in today where he talked about how like he and his family, were just sent a death threat that someone wanted to kill. He his wife and his like five the old son andean, crenshaw, dean, Crenshaw attacked by the pride boys. the only like the threat of violence is ongoing and real, and I do think that is it sort of hangs over the hearings, but I think it needs to be a little bit more

and there's not some rule that only the people on the january six committee can talk about the danger here. Like every Democrat, as apart from to do that, one of the past, ones, with the hearings and- and this isn't the problem, I think solely of the committee laming- they have a limited role but making the case. That's so what are the now? What to the public like? Ok, yes, there is a clear and present danger to democracy. Now what you I do about it and connecting that to them terms like you're, the idea that its just voting but like getting. Everyone who normally six these out to vote as well, because you're gonna need to get all the secretaries of state, because that's part of the plan, one hundred overturn the two thousand and twenty four election and like really showing people like this is what you need to do and that

It's not coming through. I think everyone gets it. Donald trump is a criminal and he's surrounded by criminals, but so what now? What and you know who understands how critical voting isn't running for all these offices is the other side, because they are running for, like secretary of state county recorders, that all these like good morning, boards right Republican through that so which is a great segouin to again our pitch, always to go to vote, save america, dot, com and sign up for mid term, madness. You can also signed up to be a pull worker with our partner power to the polls but we really need people to sign up for midterm madness and Again, we want to keep report that maga republicans, not just out of congress and out of governors mansions, but state legislatures offices, like attorney general secretary of state county recorder, all these offices that have something to do with our elections and it's really really important that we get involved in that we make sure that doesn't happen so again, voted save outcome, dotcom mid term madness,

And we'll be back with more news in just a bit. valid cyber. Ok, stop here's! How works we'll play video refocus up, debussy videos, jobs, To set up a celebrity giuliani has just been asked by reporting to respond to former white ass council. Erica since january. Six testimony that giuliani himself told hersman that, vice president, might pens didn't have the authority to block certification of the election results. Let's roll the club frazier testified before the once january. Sixth, romantic committee that you'd old him that hence did not.

the authority to block certification of the election etc. I I should really talk about that. Always up. When will he says, I should really talk about that when it means is das, me again. After five if the january six does nothing more than get really giuliani to shut up they just national service I think this shot in this message was on the andrew giuliani for governor message calendar. Do you think this was what they were hoping for that day, just yeah? I want to dress my dad up like danny devito from the penguin at, and have him ramble about its crimes. For fifteen minutes in front of a van these guys, these at this stage, craft of other of liking, elementary school where

that's an insult to elementary where the teachers the students, Now I ran out halfway through vacant, campaign signs and they gave a van or they can have both I'm, just glad there branching out from four seasons. You that his decimal anonymous common underscores, I'm going to tell you, it is a witch. Ok, stop master pivot, yeah, it's subtle the death touch, moving on a specific, credible allegation of a breaking of the law to a newsmax talking point from three years ago, gonna tell you that. Is an extension of russian collusion, might have Bobby version too, how dare those people The president of russia glory lying about it. I was telling the truth. The brethren was telling the truth The guy now, where we

that. Change involves shifty shift, almost unchanged. Ok up. that is favorite movie russian collusion to lecture Google yeah I've been, you hope. the search for prudence, gold search for the problem of opal I tell this as an aside, but I will the moment. I was disillusioned as a human being for the rest of my life, interview. I love city liquors when I was again and I saw Billy so given interview where he said this is the rare sequel that's better than the original, and I ran my parents and I said you won't believe it said Liquors too, is the rare, seek all that's better than the original. and I was happy, miss a straight line, so

say you want to look at the january meeting, some really getting error hersman of lying on the road choosing our threatening not commenting on origin. I am talking about I'm talking about the committee and I my comment on anyone else. I like irritation colleague and friend, ok up. some of my best friends are eric hersman. I want Eric hersman he's a colleague a friend he has this- laugh the lights of a room. I catch up thinking about him, and I don't hate that. I thing about him and it makes me happy even if nothing happens between us. That's how strong the connection is. That's how good of a colleague and friend at maybe it's crazy, maybe nothing can or word or should ever happen. Look I hope he doesn't get murdered mysteriously, somehow at any point, dime. Here's the thing about here's why I love Eric hersman. He has my balls in a vice la and

I say even one bad word against him. He'll turn the crank too much my not going the schedule We shouldn't do that. They should be legitimate committee interested in anything else, but hanging president trump. They wouldn't be. Ok, stop the leak happened on national television during the hearing. That was the leak, the superbowl these days. Yeah they leaked it. We leaked a leaked it. Well, it's really funny right because he can using what he said in a in a here in a in a deposition that we haven't seen yet and what Erik hersman said on camera on every network, he seems to be accused. the committee of leaking something that he it saying under oath, but realizing cause. Maybe he doesn't for controls. Faculties

this moment is this? Is it if you just get the hearing that yet he was sleeping? He was it was ten, am so rudy as saying it's always ten am summer, yeah nah funny the man said crisis same on already, that's not our problem with Rudy giuliani: we don't thinking is in causing the problems the prom or cause life, is a shambles. Said the end of the corridor and what a way to end it That's ok! Stop three.

Joining it's now is someone that you know very well oakland. She has been representing the thirteenth district of california since nineteen. Ninety eight she's the highest ranking black woman in the democratic leadership. Please join me in welcoming guys, women, Barbara Lee. So first, let me say: I love this outfit. I think, to get one of these four merit, garland, alright much for being here, because you have had a busy day already. I have

a busy day. Yet let me let me just say something. First of all, I have to say this welcome back home to the most progressive thirteenth congressional district, on the contrary- and I wanted- I am happy fathers day- happy pride man Happy caribbean american heritage month, happy june, And congrats to the warriors, you know we we have to be joyful, as parliament we don't have a lot of that in our lives. That today is a day to celebrate. So thank you Why have the rio. I am so glad to be home to because. I lived in oakland for twelve years before I moved to new york and would have things I the most about living in the bay area. Besides the perfect weather and lack of precipitation is,

being represented by you. Haven't you speak for me, so so you ve been all over the country recently, but you were just in galveston this morning, celebrating june teeth and your face. Is from galveston, which I dont think I knew there from texas. They ve routes in texas. So what does tradition of june, teeth mean to you and what does need to have a federal holiday com, reading this important moment, an african american history or melissa was boy born and raised in EL paso texas, but but my grandfather was born in galveston tex, Does any help raise me in EL paso and my great grandmother was born and galveston enslaved, but I have never been to galveston until yesterday and saw this for me was quite remarkable,

because their many of my ancestors who are buried in galveston I've done my genealogy and I know where they are and end. We celebrated even in EL paso june teeth all my life and what it was about is freedom and justice the people of galveston I mean it was remarkable to be there because the spirit of of our ancestors the spirit of liberation, the spirit of not only recognise in the past but moving forward. So we can correct and repair the damage of the past, which means reparations age. Our priority right. That's what it may speak on. It- and so we have to buy as today june, take what it means to me as yes. Finally, after ten years on, we ve been work

on this legislation for ten years and miss our police lie, had a chance to meet, who said less what two and a half miles, because it was two and a half years before, and slave africans knew that they were free and fair. I, and so I had a chance to meet her and she still she's in her she's, probably ninety five years old, and she was there. When pressed, and abiden signed the legislation. But can you imagine it to ten years? after introducing legislation just to get it signed it as a national holiday and so now more people in the meaning now is more. People are beginning to understand the history in this country, the really history of african americans and the struggles and what took place but also how resilient we are and how we fought for freedom. Then how we're going to continue to fight how we built this country, how we built it

And slave labour and how these institutions they all as a dead. There has not been paid. So that's what it means, so june teens is a federal holiday, meaning that federal workers get the day off tomorrow. on monday, but only eighteen states actually passed the necessary legislation to make june teens a state holiday. that would allow state workers to have the day off as well. So many The states that haven't done thus have argued that it's too costly to give workers the day off, and then they also say that this is a holiday, that no one really knows about anyway What do you say to that? Well, first, I say hours our state has to get with the programme. Also right

The state of california second label at least here in california, and surely labour and the great people of this day passed the commission to study and develop operations as it relates to african american sub. California is the first state too, that's the we're leaving the rest of the country and hopefully battle spur age. Our forty don't help us get that through the house, and so we ve got a correct that and I'm hoping that the state, a california in the states that don't this on the books as a state, how they will do so very quickly. We, been talking a lot about the january six hearings, which I assume you ve been following pretty closely as well. I already been added as something of a marriage, garland apologists, which I am not, but let me skill do you think the department of justice,

is going to move to indict the former president and those in his inner circle over the events of january six. While personally, I hope so, but that's why I hope so and I believe what is taking place now use beginning to see what actually took place and the truth is coming about out about january six, that there is no way that the department of justice can't hold these individuals and this mob accountable for the attempt at cu. Well, this was almost a violent overthrow of our government of our democracy and there's no way. I think that they can get away with it. Now, let me just say: I'm the lead plaintive in a lawsuit against donald trump. The proud

and the whole keepers. What. We're doing this. What bmw, sleepy and let me tell you that the trump crowd tried to get this lawsuit, dismissed, so we have an entire day of hearings right and the judge. Several months later said no way- and this was unprecedented- that a case such as this involving a prior president would move forwards and now we're in the discovery and I'm share in this, because we're dealing with this on a variety of levels to hold them accountable, because this can. This is not over. This democracy is very fragile and I think what we see

now in what you say, and through january the january six hearings as that we almost lasted. I was sitting there on the floor right there when this took place, and it was terrifying, but we were determined later to come back and make sure that we made sure that the electoral college was sorry five, so that the president could be sworn in as president Biden and vice president camel hair ass, though we were determined to do that, but it was very dicey, was very dangerous and this committing the january six committee. It is showing you, even in a man in a More profound way than I ever thought that the Republicans people who were advising this man word tellin him, don't do it that it was almost legal, that it was wrong ass. The was there tell

that bad. You know we have to see, and I think the department of justice I wish they move a little swim, a little quick much quicker, but that is the most generous way to put it, the bad, very unfair methodical and I'm not defending them, but you seemed some have been the unit charged with treason already and sedition, that's a heavy duty charge and, and the department of justice did that, and so hopefully they're looking at this very carefully, so that when they bring these cases forward, that they are going to be substantial and they will hold, and these people will be held accountable for for almost destroying our democracy and overthrow and violently overthrowing

our government. I love the point that you made sorry that's what they almost dead still trying still try. I left idea that criminal law, ability. Isn't the only weapon in the arsenal to hold these individuals Come on. I love that you are the lead plaintiff and a civil sit, so the law professor me wants to dig deep dive why a civil soup right, so what civil suit do that a criminal prosecution could not or or how could it compliment a criminal prosecution in ways that would be helpful for promoting accountability? Well, a civil suit world. Also, Fourth, the culpability of these criminals,

and with a lower standard of standard right, but they would have to pay pay up ass? If you go bankrupt him, they pay a big, are either obeying room tat. I hope so what what that they offered you the opportunity to settle this issue. Would you say like hell? No we're doing this. I want this to move forward to the court. I want to hear more of what took place is our january sex and also who they people are because not only the crowd that mob and almost destroyed our democracy at the capital, but we're talking about people and groups all over the country. We're talking about white supremacist, we're talking about domestic terrorist, we're talking about some.

very, very scary organizations that are still out there, and so I think the civil soothes criminal sues the january six commission every tool we have an hour tool box has to be activated now, because this is a very dangerous but it's a moment that I know will survive and move forward, but everybody here you you all, have to help and you I'll have to push really hard to make sure that your voices heard ended that ever, one understands that we're not going to let this go. some are saying that was then this is now no. No. We have to keep this in front of the public until This then, is done, and until we know it will never happen again.

So I read an interview that you did with the nineteenth where you mentioned that on the morning of january sixth, when you went to work at the capitol you decided to put on tennis shoes, because you had a bad feeling about what was gonna happen that you didn't know, but you had a bad feeling, so one believe black, women, stay ready, so you don't have to get ready. What was it like being at the capitol in your sneakers? Knowing that you were running for your life? Well, first, let me tell you, been black at america, requires you to keep your antennas up all the time.

Secondly, I shared with you that my great grandmother was enslaved and sold by antennas, and my dna tells me that I have to be ready all the time now. Having said that, there had been many security briefings, many security precautions taken, but I was listening and reading. Some of these are right wing organizations and these blogs- and I knew let me to share this. I was sitting on the capital on nine eleven and had to be evacuated.

and we were told a plane might be coming in. I had on heels that day and it was hard running up, pennsylvania, avenue and heels. So I swore that if, if I ever had any inclination that something would go down, I wasn't going to wear high heels and so listening to all of what was being put out there by the the maga people I said nah I dunno. What's going to happen, I have no idea, but I do have a clue that something's going to go down, so I wore my tennis shoes and I'm glad I did because since you are reading maga blogs yeah, I read I have to read everything I mean to the press. I I kind of have to know what's going on on all fronts, you know. I mean you're a better man than I may map that operate I'd just now

I dunno, that's why I wore my tennis shoes, so not very few members wore their tennis shoes that day cause they didn't. They learned they learned, and so I was very scared, a lot of movement in the in the capital. When I saw the sergeant at arms, take a speaker Pelosi out when the chaplain came up to the podium to pray. When we were told to get out of gas yeah, we have gas masks on. You know, pull out our masks, we may have to put them on or we may have to hit the floor one or the other as and so you can imagine. What's going on and I'm looking at my cell phone people telling me what's happening and I'm hearing all this noise out there and

didn't figure out. If my mass was backwards and forwards, I had Ass a body. Can it was congressmen erics while well, and jerry boost, as we were all three together on the floor, try to figure out what I asked on ethical squad for that? That's why I was so it, and we have just a few seconds to get out of here and then we went to this and disclosed location, but the other scary part that was in the height of covert and buried

if the republicans had massed on I'm shot. So I'm like freaking out because it's like, oh my god, I'm in the close area, walking like this and covert is, is everywhere. In fact, several members contracted covert on that day, and so you can imagine what it's like trying to survive: fight for your life on a lot of fronts and but that's what we do and that's kind of the the dangers and the risks that we constantly face. But it's worth the risk because we've got to fight for what is right fight for this democracy, fight for the people and make sure that we do the job. send us there to do that. I'm getting a signal that a wrap up this black girl magic in a minute, but one last question for you insect.

amber. You testified before a house committee on reproductive. Rights and justice and threats to reproductive justice You testified about your own abortion story and then there were A lot of discussions from experts, I testified. Thereabout threats to reproductive justice is well on what I thought was, so dressing about this hearing was how many republicans talked about the idea that abortion is a form of eugene, eggs and they were so worried about all of these aborted black fetuses. Can you explain to me how you republican colleagues are working to help black children generally outside of this space. Now I can't, because they are not. Would you look at their voting record vital, do mapping the how black children, vero and so The you know that and and I'll just share this, because I had never talked about this, because it was my personal private decision when I was a teenager between me and my mother, and that was the way

as an addendum stigma and all of the issues that so many people have around coming out talking about issues that are very deeply personal. But after mississippi and after taxes and after all of these laws started getting past, I took a deep breath and said: look that you ve got to stand up and speak out and so I did and tell the story of my mother. I was living in california by then and I got pregnant and I don't know what to do, and I went to catholic school, so you can imagine all of the confusion and emotions that I had, but my mother and I talked about it and made the decision that this was the right thing for me to do, and so my first airplane right actually was from California backed el paso. My mother had a friend who recently passed away, who said that gene in she worked with her

and then she was a wonderful latina. She says she knew a doctor in mexico, now remind you abortions, where illegal in the united states and in mexico, and that she would send me to her first airplane ride, cost two hundred hours and aunt em still is still so clear in my mind, and she took me over late one night, like ten thirty, eleven o clock it was back alley really dark walked in there and it was a dark clinic, but there was some lights overhead and if the doctor had on a white coat and the rest is history, but let me tell you, I survived, and I was terrified so many black women didn't the main cause of death during that period were among Black women were septic abortions, so I knew I was terrified and I also knew that they put in jail because it was illegal, and so I don't know come back across the border. If I was gonna be

still I don't know about the statue limitations. access, but I share their because right now, I'm so concerned about the criminal legislation of people who are going to find a way to make sure they have abortion, accesses others by reproductive justice, reproductive freedom, it is about making sure that everyone has their democratic rights over their bodies. yeah we're gonna fight like you were back relieve their barber. We thank you for speaking, for Glenn. Thank you for speaking for the bay area. Thank you for fighting. Please give a warm pod, save america,

barbara there and for more news since we are since we are here in the bay area, I thought we would talk about what fresh hell your tech oligarchs have wrought on america and here to help us do that is new. Times technology correspond to the author of the best selling super pump. The battle for goober mike eyes

There we go, there's a proper allow, the thanks for joining thanks for doing that. Thank you grab me. So you just wrote about the latest developments around the richest men in the world, buying one of the world's most politically influential social media platforms. Unfortunately, so for the first time, elon musk spoke directly to twitter's employees during a ninety minute. Q and a that you listen to where he said quote I want twitter to contribute to a better longer lasting civilization, where we'd better understand the nature of reality. So my first question is: did lime, get any laugh. What we're your other big, going from the call, and do you think elon musk wants to close this deal first. It reminded me of joshua tree last,

Marcel just like up now. I think I think he I think he wanted to close it a few, months ago, but like now hit dandelion we're talking about this backstage, he literally bought the company at the height of market like the worst possible time, the world's best best innovator bought at the worst possible time for forty four billion dollars and now he's been doing this thing, where he's essentially trying to renegotiate the deal in public basically by saying twitter doesn't give me enough information. You know there's all these bots on it and And- and so I think like he would have loved to have bought this company a few months ago, but now it's it looks like kind of a bad deal, and also there were a lot of slack jokes about this guy who is who is casting by the way?

from like a hotel room from his phone like very bootleg mode and so yeah. I think twitter employs a little sceptical. Did he do you feel like he assuage their concerns? didn't want someone someone. There is a slight coming, they said, if you were to take a shot for every question e law, answered throughout this call. You would be totally sober right now I was totally accurate because the question about this, so here is my thirty thousand for view of this, which is that there is, it isn't possible for someone who has done what elon musk has done to be stupid, as his public persona would seem. It's also possible for someone to be as smart as yon musk thinks elon musk is, so the answer is somewhere in between how he presents and and these actually capable of in

listen into EU law? At any point, have you got any sense that he has a more sophisticated grasp of watchword? is beyond this nonsense of it being some kind of a public square yeah. No, I mean to be totally fair. I do you think. He has been at the right place three time and a lot of different what's in history, in particular during the obama, administration and sort of writing test. two new highs and- and I think he's not a stupid guy, I think a lot of this positioning and public right now is very intentional, especially around the deal but, like I think his his understanding of policy in general and like what he wants to do as far as speech in the public square is like. super flattened. It's it's not at all. Nuanced took twitters policy teams like years to come up For example, you can't talk about you can't be pro not

Yes, I'm in germany right, that's literally illegal there, so you have to take that offer twitter and you know this, doesn't really appreciate that in twitter is a product used, five people all over the world, and I dont know if that's like, feature or a bug. You know like that. Part of pardon me thinks he's like I don't care. I just one all of it out there and only the snowflakes are going to be offended, but I really do think he believes that the the more speech the better in that regard- and you do think that he really wants to close this deal and is not just sort of playing around Year for it, I think he wants What was it at a lower price like, I think, you've really fucked up on the price like it's? It's the the market is: is war ii he paid forty four bill. He signed a contract saying using a pay, forty four billion dollars.

always saying. Oh, I didn't know blah blah blah trying to get out of it. So I I do think he wanted it at a certain point, but now I think he's trying to more renegotiate it. So yeah, the guy that bought a condo at the peak of them it is like trying to get squeeze out of the inspections so every day when or how Big, our rich. These people get us the same seemed like negotiations as they like just by arguing about countertops? I had a very different mid life crisis than he did I So apparently, one employee asked how he wants political views will affect the company and he he said, he's a a moderate who voted for democrats in the past, though, in the last few weeks he has also said he's leaning towards running. Centres for president in that essential weird. Sometimes we get these really producing into crowds yeah. I thought we were going to get some applause there. He also said that he,

waited for my reform as a republican congressional candidate who's used kune on hashtags and and urged people to buy more guns just a few days after january six. So that's cool dan How much? How much do we all have to care about you and mosques political views now like? Is it for everyone to return there teslas? What's going, don't hide aid map I gotta get holding out of sight ass. You say better, I think it saves. You say we all probably care way too much about eve. Unmask full stop like we spend wait a monotonous, not arguing about the fire because you asked the question I think. There are ways in which we have I about it matters little, but I think it is not a good thing for the world, the one of the world's that the world's rich man, someone who could out, spend every penny the coax spent over two years in politics, without We batting an eye is thinking of support.

Rhonda santas or president, like that. Isn't that is a problem. We ve seen the damage that peter teal has done in america, politics, Donald trump. be elected without peter deal. Jerry events. Not be the nominee in ohio and is fuelled some of the most dangerous, strange or public. You must certainly could do with some worthy as the pockets to do it in his like we're watching his radicalization, have before our eyes, and I think that is alarming. in terms of what it means for twitter. I think we should just presume that these companies whether it is elon musk her some analysis, mark Zuckerberg or someone else are always going to do the wrong thing in this full. the idea that the way that we're gonna make these platforms work is we're going to have well meaning billionaire too moguls in charge of them is like it deeply naive, you were the work has ultimately their responsive to a market It's over gonna want twitter do the right thing: if we're gonna wanna come get facebook to do that,

thing is going to require rules and regulations it for that affect their bottom line. Don't do the right thing now. because because As you know, I am an optimist and a silver linings, glass, half ain't, gonna get famously famous. I do you can see. There is one outside the EU. mosques. New republican persona is. It is not a bad thing for the world that, the world's most prominent electric Manufacturer solar panel distributor is republican in that like there is a like. I don't want him to have that, but the fact that there is now some republican out there who actually does not think the electric cars are destroying it World are we are. intervenes cause cancer or any of those things that like, if you wanted to like fire, silver line when you always are looking which I'm not like. I look I'm known for that. I everyday work I'm trying to find the positive and so that we divisive Lodging stories like they'll, never destroy it.

It is not possible to swallow so you are, and also you and also said during the call that he wouldn't allow criminal acts to be carried out on the network. Thank you. That's wonderful and he's privileged previously said that, under his ownership, twitter would allow all speech at the first amendment protects and that he's quote again censorship that goes far beyond the law. Melissa MIKE was just talking about this, like Is it a good idea to have content moderation, policies track the first amendment, so this is agreed. question. I feel like to answer it. We disorder have. Something out of the way that, like twitter and facebook are not the government, they are private entities and they aren't governed by the first amendment row: appear say from your law, professor pop, the question of whether the policies to track the first moment. I think, actually opens up the door to a why Range of speech that I think people use twitter. What would find problematical? Take four eggs

while the unite the right rally in charlottesville, where neo nazis were marching through charlottesville, saying like you know, you will not replace ass and racist and anti semitic things charlotte could not stop them because of the first amendment. It was protected by the first of many So imagine opening twitter and you have all of these see, screens and anti semitic screen. You can see beheadings, you can see pornography. All of those things are protected The first amendment, and so twitter is not public square, it's up social media platform. That has a profit motive, and you could imagine that if that kind of cod was available. People would lead. They don't want to see it. So I dont know that twitter why something like that. I don't know that it would be a good idea for twitter just because all The content would again what the first amendment allows is actually quite vast and probably more alarming than we even recognize again that sort of the danes

or have it, and you don't even think the republicans realize that they just want to stop. the limiting of conservative viewpoints? I don't think they realize it's really a pandora's box. Yet everytime you listen to you on given interview about this. It does not seem like he's thought. This no. You said you could it's. What he'll discover is. Oh I'm not the only small person in the world. There is another small people of internal grapple with these very difficult questions is entire time and landed at these very unkind, your ball compromises between the balance of allowing people to say what they will and the fact that humans are broken and fallen. What are the core problem, or buying. The world's complaint department may not have been the best use of his fucking time. He's also he's running a business and no company wants to put their add next to the white supremacist screen like that is ultimately becomes the problem about my he's. How those I my pillow, my my pillar, that whether they have true social cover,

I mean it is like that they have these content policies, not because they hair passion, about doing the right thing you just can't sell coke adds if you're ok might run and next to a kkk tweet or whatever are you tired of Jews? Are you just tired uh huh too soon too my gosh I do not want to make this segment about elon musk must we're organism. Some of the other tech oligarchy out there. Even if you don't care about their politics, unfortunately they do care about hours. This was a cnet headline from friday. Quote: big taxi ios push congress to oppose antitrust legislation. The bill in question is called the american innovation and online choice act. It would prevent tech platforms from giving preferences to their own products and services on one side are the ceos of amazon, apple and Google who hate the bill. They ve been a congress. There

lobbying- they spend a lot of money trying to defeat this bill on the other side are senators ranging from Amy closure, corey, booker and messy orono to chuck gradually linsey, graham and joy, holly. Now you don't know what you know and I think that love it. Who is this? where love is going to decide love. It is a josh holly. Or is it or is it the amazon ceo look at using once in awhile generally points is this in the right direction? this approach, first is right twice a day, This is in a very modest bill. You know it's gonna amazon essentials to page to other results and there are thrown up a fit. I think like First of all, I do think that there is a problem when we say tech and it includes apple

on Google met a book. Twitter like these are extraordinary. Different companies like you would not refer like if you had a that addressed gun manufacturers and factory farmers and try trap truck makers. Ubiquitous ailments visited. One thing I do think it's more complicated require some new ones, but fundamentally these are all It is at a very much enjoyed using their bigness to both built platform, and then sell products and or or push service. on their own platforms and they enjoy the privileges that come from controlling the pipes and pushing stuff through it. They have these concerns they ve lost. I think that credibility to be list, this is an incredibly modest bill. That would make some very small changes and they act like this is falling every time at any time, there's even the even their hint of a button. a regulation, its we're gonna lose to china. We're going to destroy american competitiveness? This isn't about the size of our companies is about us is about the great sino american conflict to come here. Did you do this

You're gonna, you're gonna, cut us off at the knees and and and put us at a distance judge we're gonna lose the ai fight. We lose every fight the drawer, once the drones or come and so will think of it. I think it is important that we like kind of as a society stop taking these kinds of the skies falling threat seriously. We need congress to put in place some common sense. Regulations. Yes, against their these of companies, ability to use their business in platform to serve to pray, on services, but also for privacy is another place where we can can makes some and also just like four yet privileges there, their own products like amazon having basically kind of using them. they collect to destroy their own small business, retailers that use the service and to replace their goods with their own goods. That is wrong. that shouldn't be allowed, and so

You know we need congress to do. We need congress to take these reasonable, very small steps forward, major kind of empower, agencies and give them the funding they need to actually take on anti trust, and then we need to cut. Take on the like that Jackie less. ideological right wing You shall philosophy that has allowed these sort of companies to run a mock and face no consequences for anti competitive practices and basically kind of made it almost impossible for us to regulate these people, because they ve there were numbered of this idea that, if, if you can it basically It reduces prices for consumers. You can't stop at no matter the harm. It doesn't matter. The consolidation it causes silver lining is that this is the first time Josh holly has been for choice region significantly, notable yes, certainly notable tell the Missouri MIKE. If, if, if this is such a modest change to regulate these to the law from this bill,

Like why are they spending so much money and wire tech so against it? Is it just their agree, Is it that their word that it's a slippery slope that will lead to more legislation? What effect for small it's funny hear them say in public for very long time. Zuckerberg has said we want to be regulating rhino like this is something that wait for us, and then there has been record amounts each each year on more sort of backroom lobbying and pushing back yeah, you want to be punished, but he has he's very quick to his safe work. There the concern which is now a career break, but I think the I think. What is that

big his high. It's never I made up my mind than that that thought I think one of the big things, though, is that they had at least a decade where they didn't really have to worry about changing any of their products. Right like big day, there were enough to see that really wasn't pursuit, and you can argue like did they know how influential some of these companies we're gonna be? Did they know that lets say that to graham acquisition was gonna, be as joy Now in retrospect, as as we and so, like I think now, just even that does the hint of of not being able to privileged their stuff is very scary to them and, like you know what they like to stand behind is like we want to provide the best. The best products right and not just something else, because it's a different name, but I think I think consumerism and had a choice in the first place for a very long time like just putting that out. There is something new

well. Most, though we have now an executive branch, that's for stronger regulation of these tech companies. We now have it by partisan majority. Potentially congress? What do we know about how the court has looked at these attempts to you know, regulate tech companies. This call it. So the supreme court moves pretty slowly with technology. They only recognise cellphones a few years ago. That's the genie thomas led, the a tonic is going to be the refreshing drink of the summer as a case a couple of years ago, where justice Kennedy wrote court saying that in our social media plot platform were or kind of like the space furs for speech like this is where people communicated and then a few ago. I'm twenty eighteen there's a case called Halleck where brookhaven I wrote for

the majority, but made clear that just because something is a platform it. In this case it was a public where public television that was actually operated by private entities. The fact that it was a platform didn't turn it into a public space, regular ball. the first amendment so that their sort of uneven precedents here that point in different directions, this month, though, there was an interesting shadow docket case dealing. With a law out of texas, which was about content, moderation and the fifth circuit had basically not only allowed the law to be in effect, while the constitutionality of it was being litigated, I'm these sort of expressed approval of it that this was something that was permissible under the first and then and the court in a shadow docket decision. That was a five to four decision. We only notice a five before decision because there's no signed opinion, but there were four noted dissenters. The court

state or and joined the law from being, in fact, while its constitutionality was litigated, suggesting that maybe there's some, here, and they don't think that a law like this at least while its being litigator, should go into effect, but the lineup really strange. So just thomas injustice Alito dissented asda gestures, gore search by them were joined by noted conservative alina kagan interesting. Very interesting again no opinion here is that we don't really know what the court thought about this, but they at least what'd the law too, he held like to be enjoined, while its constitutionality is being what it sounds like since both the politics congress and the ideological scramble and the court are sort of up for grabs on this? Maybe there's room for progress. Hence in regulating in regulating big jack. I don't check your text

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This is how we always thought it would end. I was just thinking asked him, I saw you was at the stage of the commonwealth club interviewing your for your fear book. That's right. Yes, there was two books in one pandemic a go and I have known each other for fifteen. Now we worked together obama campaign The lighthouse she's gonna do much bigger and better things as we can see, but we have you here and we have an audience here in the but also run the country was to it caliph. It is both a progressive. Arbitrary for idea, policy ideas and also the right wing favorite punching bag, Let's talk a little bit about some of the issues that are sort of dominating politics in california and how they may apply nationally. So, let's start with crime lab. Just a couple weeks ago. There was a recall actions and rediscover the dossier was of roman way recalled. That is

was taken by national political power hence as a huge warnings for democrats in a rebuke to the idea of criminal justice reform. really dominated alot of the party, particularly. since twenty twenty? What is your take on what you know what that election says was happy here in california in what a wide damn, what lessons democratic from it. It's a good cause, should I mean I don't think that the recall of chest was a canary and combine for all Democrats around the country. I think I'd better Dictator of where we are on the issues you look at some, unlike diane beckon, who you're a little will for diane backed and over there. She is progressive dossier, in contrast, the county she handedly, won her reelection. You look at some, unlike attorney general rob wanta somewhat for rwanda. And I served with rob when he was in the legislature, and there are few people Well, run more progressive criminal justice reform work than rod,

He won handedly in this election, and you know I think his messages when they think is important. It is we can do we're forward that we need to do because we know that there are deep racial inequities within our criminal justice system, we know that it is discriminatory. We know that hurts burnham black folks more, but we can so keep our community safe, and we can do both of these things and by the Our black and brown communities also want to be safe right, and so I think how he died. about this and, frankly, how the governors talking about it and the work that they're doing, I think, is it demonstrated in the polls that it's what people want, and it means that we can have our cake and eat it. Sure we can have reform, but we can also safety at the same time. So Another issue here that we talk about all this: California is housing and homelessness, which to intertwined issues housing. Incredibly expensive, here, in working on this issue for a long time in the state legislature, I helpings, like

What are we trying to do here in california to redress that? And how is this essentially a model for the nation can do yeah. So what do we have? How long to answer the question it's a big one and you looking california rate. We are two point, five to three point: five million homes shy where we need to be depending on his daddy is we have a hundred any given moment a hundred sixty three thousand plus or take a few unhoused people in our streets in california everything we have growing encampments. We have written that is beyond anything that, People can understand. We have people that can afford their their mortgage. It's a massive problem. And he talked to older folks who want their kids to come. Did you come back to california? After going way, college or something and raise their kids here they can afford to live here. Your folks, artists who are leaving because they can afford the cost of living here. The issue is its

you did the number one issue that poles amongst voters every every election cycle, both the housing and on this issue. And the reality. The matters we ve made it very difficult to build housing in California. Building. That's right. And building Malta family mixed income housing, as is illegal and almost eighty percent of the state of california, so we have to make it easier to build housing. We have two subsidized low income, very deep, affordable housing. Here in California, we have to build all of the above market rate we have to build housing, but with that also comes investments in public transportation, so who? Are they ve been on the couch right now they vs there are taking Bart now again posed covert. Hopefully Cheers proposed covered up,

as you know, we ve done a lot of the last couple years. You ve done a lot of work in the space in the legislature, but we do have to make it easier to do it. Frankly, there's a lot of cities that don't wanna built. You know we, have some really tough conversations with those cities and make it easier, but that is actually what we need to build more housing. So you have a specific bill. They would speed up the building of affordable housing on commercial land, but it's gonna pushed back from tree You didn't see now, and you are a young, your former union organizer you're as good a friend to the as there ever has been Explain how you deal with that sort of cross. ideological push back india, because this is not theirs, it's not as simple as like. Rich landlords are rich people or nimby, as limits we have like members of coalition pushing back against it, describes the housing issues, the one that I I find closely. The messenger thinks it's not just sort democratic republic and right as like three dimensional chess,

so yeah. I had a bill that would basically allow more residential housing and commercialism areas and I've been working with the carpenters union who they build the majority of of housing in california to craft a bill that will, the strongest workforce protections that we have. The other thing in the housing industry is. It is notorious for wage theft and exploitation of workers. In particular, they tend to be immigrant communities who come in and take these jobs, so we after wrapper had around that, so that we are creating good penguin. jobs in helping to create the middle class while the same time streamline housing. You know that the bill, the you're spring to ab two. Twenty eleven for the housing nerds in the audience is spot by the carpenters use, it said it has. Support from estonia use yes yea, which is the school and plays union the service sectors, unions and many others, and its currently. By the building trades union, as you mentioned, because they have a different standard that they want to use for housing production, but the difficult

with that issue- is that we don't have currently the union workforce across the state to build the housing that we need to build so I'm trying to do is start an eel here create the highest standards that we can walk, streamlining housing so that we can build the union workforce. We ever apprenticeship component in the bill that help to build more good union paying jobs in this street and I think it's a win win win. If we can create that workforce and streamlined streamline the housing. So that's the goal. The bill. Any day now we expect to get the supreme court's opinion in the dobbs case, which would basically opinion overturn, roe v hearing Fournier, you and your colleagues are working very hard to push back on that gives abortion would become a state issue and there's an effort The thirteen bills right now they would help make california in abortion sanctuary stay, He explained what that means in when what's going into that, work should

aunt em before it into that. I also want to say I have spoken publicly about an abortion that I had when I is twenty five and- I was. It was after actually the two thousand for election psychopaths. We run different teams in the two thousand for election. Michael and I was living in san francisco and I was in between jobs and staying at a friend's sing, inference couch and I had a in pregnancy, and I went to play parenthood and they will. come to me? and they welcomed me with open arms, with information with respect and, frankly, love and We make this decision a decision But for me at that time, in my life I was not prepared to have a child. I now have to be the girls who are the light of my life. they are the cutest and

you know- I think about that moment in my life and what that men for me to build a make that decision for myself and You know, and then I got to go work with you and others, and I got to hope like the first black president and got to work in the white house and combat here and I met my husband and I ran for office and I got to do all of these things, because I was able to make that decision so that the work I do in the spaces of deeply personal. For me thousand empowering decision for me. I want to make sure that my daughter's have that same choice. They need it and, frankly, all of erica. Thus We are doing fifteen bills, hearing california to really fast track and make sure that caliphs

it is a reproductive freedom state for all in this country. and so so it's I won't go every bill. I could but it's to me buckets one are the legal protections. So I have a bill right now. That is to ensure that no one in california is criminal prosecutor for any pregnancy laws and there's a lot of applause lines in this, it's gonna take its that which is greatly sympathetic audience. But. in california a couple months ago or woman name, adore press was just released from prison. She was there for four years. She was Security for a crime that doesn't exist in california, called murder of a foetus. Shit is still birth and she criminally prosecuted and was in prison for four years in california was released a couple months ago in twenty twenty, two, so

this still happens here, so my bill would make sure that that is not possible and that someone like a door could get recourse and sue the dossier that put her there. three but we are also working on making sure that privacy is protected so that if people have abortions here, California, no matter where you're from this country. If you come here that your privacy can be violated by other states who want to know if you had an abortion here. So. There's a whole bunch of legal protection is also working to make sure that, if doctors prescribe through tell a health, the she pulled other states. They cannot be criminally prosecutor, extradited. So there's a whole bucket in that space and then on the infrastructure side, just making sure providers are prepared. We expect

thousand percent increase of folk seeking, safe and legal. in California. That's what we're preparing for right. Now, it's about four six thousand abortions ear we expected to be about one point: four million and so make sure that our providers are prepared for them. And we are developing a fund that is going to be run through the state, but it's seeking philanthropic funds to help people who are coming from other parts of the country, a website with helpful information for those folks that are coming we're making sure our workforce is diverse, that that that we have- the diverse or first to make sure we represent everyone who seeking abortion care, we're doing a number of things. We have a budget ask about hundred twenty five million. dollars this year to make sure that were prepared for what we expect to happen, and this is not They want to do, of course, but to say we feel morally obligated to do.

Make sure that we are a safe haven for people who need care here. So last question for you you are someone who is gone on the journey that we hope. So maybe listeners go on. What use you started out became an activist turn, politics into a career became an operative among the best organizes the democratic party, and then he went ran for office and have stayed in the fight this whole time. And so I was wondering if you He just maybe the message to the people listening, who, maybe are you know feeling about down what's happened the world or disengaged or that it that matter anymore, why it so important to stay in the fight right now I mean, I think now is the most important time to stay in the fight given. What's happened in this country, you know- and I was I was an activist I remember that cheap during the first or second iraq, war, beckoned, oh two or three,

I was the girl with like the bull horn and like the multi colored hair in the nose ring and shutting down the back, tell corporation towns Erin Cisco You know- and I worked for many causes the labor movement, as you said, and howard dean and brock obama and many others, and- and I will say you know I was I was struck by the work recently. I did a bill to ago, that would openness, of limitations for those that had been victims. by an obi and at you see allay who had been sexually salting women for about thirty years and there, class action losses because of the bill. I did that that open up the statute of limitations- and there are of women who were able to seek recourse, while they will never be made hole by that experience. They feel a little bit better and it's important to remember the work that we do and the impact it have as it has on individual people's lives right and I

just think every single person in this room and whose listening has ability to change this country for the better And whether you're doing it, by giving five dollars a month to your favorite organization, whether you're doing it as someone who volunteers twenty hours a week or whether you're someone who's contemplating running for office, you know I never. but I would run for office ever and then in the twenty sixteen election. I was pregnant with my oldest daughter, and she was due election day and I thought she was going to be born the day we elected our first woman president and it was going to be very serendipitous right and then trump happened and she was late and so the whole thing like blew up, but I just got really pissed off at what happened in twenty

sixteen and decided to run for the seat when it opened up. and I do think there are a lot of women who run when trump happened right and that part of his legacy- is the work that we are all doing now to write those wrongs of what is there. But I honestly, I don't mean to be hyperbolic about it, but our country depends on As our country right now is at risk of falling apart mean honestly. Democracy right now is in peril, and I hate to sound so leg dramatic, but I truly believe that, and I think the only way we can fix it is if we all of us to sign that we are going to fix it and so take whatever that next sleep is. You know if you're thinking about running for office, if you're thinking how'd. You know volunteering more about donating, we're all the things that you can do do it and

What now and do it wholeheartedly and think about the people's lives? Who you will impact with that work?. thirty weeks, thank you so much for joining us. Please give it up for buffy the. If you're here dearly at home you know we're about second set. We re, we sleep politics. Our nutritionists are horrified. Our lungs are shot. No amount of melatonin can fix- was wrong with us. You two probably find yourself sucked into the twenty four seven political new cycle, but here's the thing there's a great big, beautiful world out there. That has nothing to do with how incredibly so judge James, robotic talks and weather.

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