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like simply safe! Welcome deposit america, I'm John forever, I'm sure of it! Tommy toward raised. The matter of energy on today show republicans finally released a policy agenda for the mid terms. Our old boss, David bluff, joins to talk about the final stretch of the campaign. and we try to new game called cuter, cuter cuter, but first check out this week's america dissected, where Abdul talks to Malcolm gladwell about the science and practice of public health, new episodes.

America detected drop every tuesday, there's also a brand new wilderness episode out this week I talked to undecided, bind voters in pittsburgh, about inflation, guns, abortion, the january six hearings and what they think of the pennsylvania senate and governors races any previous any. Hence they, like John futterman, doesn't electron fervently, don't like doktor us than my daughter us now and I I think I've said this before, but like the reviews of fetterman were better than I've ever heard from a focus group about a politician just from a political standpoint, and maybe doctor oz should consider having a stroke, oh yeah, you and you have made, at the diversion of the same drug tragedies that was announced that it's good politics are right. Get to the news which is about Six weeks left until election day, republicans of unveiled a vague policy platform they're calling a commitment to america, Kevin Mccarthy, the man who would likely become speaker of the house if republican split the chamber announced the plan with a big roll out there.

Who did a video meant to show signs of america that was actually stock footage filmed in russia. And a letter with a fake, lincoln quote. That was actually a lehman brothers at the outset. It's from a kid in ukraine, in a supermarket in europe, so great work all around nail in it and the stock footage front. I love when stupid shit like that becomes a thing like who cares, but it's fun. It's the best. Fake lincoln quote you always they always get in trouble with the stock footage and the fake. Look. I think we have got to say like those as do. Those who goes without being those without fake lincoln quotes, throw the first big linkinwater. What happened until I was the court. Remember what I don't know, each one ever get at it with iron ever wasn't it the one he told wasn't right before the asia yeah, that's right, I went to the event marie went to speak to members of congress is really moving speech about about courage and doing the right thing and pass

we will carry most of which he had lived and any, but he dug deep and he found the perfectly can quote, and it was perfect in part because it was made up to about eight up quota. Maybe that's what mccarthy took memory you any so? The agenda is mostly limited to four broad themes and economy strong, a nation that safe a feature that built on freedom and a government that accountable here's mccarthy, with at least a phonic and Steve Scully's. Talking about the plan to a fox reporter and they're doing it from where else pennsylvania diner think about this. washington, not washington, DC when wash in county pencil, why? Because this plan is about all these people, We want an election to have a contrast if they put their- trust in us. This is exactly what you do hold our feet to the fire and, on the very first day, we're gonna be eighty, seven thousand iris agents, so they're not going after you, we for you, you don't work,

therein washington, pennsylvania, never know, I'm issuing a verbal cease and desist his coming from me. It has the force of law, because I did the very tired were in washington. We listened to Washington, insiders in washington, county iowa, now washing Do you see in two thousand seven or eight, because from my perspective, history begins of me in my political which, by the way, was hit on love its political mentor. Hillary Clinton right she was listening to the lobby- is we're never gonna come the matrix Yes, I I don't worry about it. I didn't higher. I do like that. It's like hold my feet to the fire. The first sentence is simply not true: they can do anything that in their even if it wasn't vague, even if it was written out, they can't do it and also their very first and most important agenda item is a lie ripple. Yours then, you need to know that we are going to repeal something that is not happening based on a right wing for dream and we're on it. This plan is about the people, the people here, it's a plan about people

we have to understand. If you have about a married now is that you have still police elite, stefanik and Kevin Mccarthy sitting at it at a table in some sort of restaurant, surrounded by what looked like an pcs, just non pliable characters, standing imperfect silence with the dull expressions on their face, watching these four people, one of whom is a fox news reporter in front of the same order from the diner all of their napkins, are still beneath their forks. The only person who looks interested in eating is elise and if you actually watch the video hungary, if you actually watch the video his right hand is kind of twitching a little like he's like. Can I go for my fork over my fucking fork at least evonik doesn't doesn't capita, so republicans are still favourite to flip the house and they're trying to make this election a referendum on Biden and the Democrats. Why do you think Mccarthy did this tommy and- and why do you think the

platform is so vague. I mean I think part of is is that there are no new ideas and we all pretend that new congrats is a ninety. Ninety four contract with america was some sort of game, changing political document that led to ah republicans winning tons of tons of seats. I also bet these guys actually want as something to point to and say this is our plan not that rick scott thing that is really really politically damaging, because Rick Scott wants to raise taxes on half the country and potentially cut social security and medicare.

which seems like a bad idea. I think it is like, certainly not a popular one, the yeah not a popular when it is smart. If you're going to do something like this, you roll it out now late september, when people are paying attention, I think it's probably useful for normal candidates to have something to point to and say this is the agenda that we're going to work on as a party. I do think it's very funny that the that the role included russian oil rigs this just it's like kind of too perfect but yeah. Look. The the problem for mccarthy, though, is newt. Gingrich could command the medius in new cycle as an option.

In leader in ways that mccarthy cannot. He can only dream of in part, because trump is still out there, flailing away and dominating the news. You know on fox news at least newt gingrich could also control his caucus in a way that Mccarthy clearly can't I mean newt gingrich's contract with america was like a specific set of bills that they were going to introduce. Mccarthy doesn't have any of that. He has a parents' bill of rights in there, but your doesn't even say what's in there. This isn't like a specific. In the reason he couldn't include a list of bills that he was going to introduce if they win. The house is because he can't get the fuckin crazies in his caucus, although the far right part of the caucus and the rest of the caucus to agree on anything and and if they make he can't and if they could, it would be extremely unpopular where they are, is extremely unpopular. Being strong and safe and free or popular, banning abortion and cutting taxes for the rich and stripping the social safety net is not popular. The other piece of this is their they. They have this er vicious circle, which is because their policy agenda

has been so unpopular. They run on grievance and vilified Democrats and then the base now has deserved this taste for blood, so at all, they can really run on, and so this is vague for the same reason, the republicans and have a platform in twenty twenty, the democratic party. For all of its many look democratic It's perfect, that's the most important is that we have a policy agenda. The republican party doesn't really have a true motivating policy agenda, they have an enemies list and that's really that's the thing that galvanizes their base, so you have to make this set of vague platitudes, then get back to doing what they want to do, which is talk about trans people. Talk about immigrants, talk about crime yeah, it's like! They basically wanted something. That was enough to answer what a republicans for, but not enough detail to potentially split their party or give democrats fodder for attacks that that was the that's what he was trying to navigate there, especially

because if they have a slim majority- and we all hope they Don'T- this is not going to be. Does not kevin Mccarthy giving speeches about healthcare policy? This is MAC gates, point Mccarthy, on a leash like the gimp and pulp fiction, its Jim Jordan, impeach Biden for one, of having a son that likes coke and two counts of not building a wall. It's a lie, stefani. full brothers of ITALY, its lindsey gram, its lindsey grand passing a nationwide abortion ban and having the first erection in his life at him. Hey for that's the future that If the commitment leave that is, you know what I'm saying, I can hear any laughter yeah, that's it, which is you laughing as you cry that final year. All of that, that's what they we promoted miracle, don't find it as I love I went to their website and, like I kind of you, could click on things that expand the policy positions out and then you go to the next issue, but the website is an infinite loop

to take you back I ruined I, was married to frustrate it. Trying to restart very well is all should all the way to devise so publicans of offered some details. You guys heard mccarthy talk about firing, iris agents in that clip, as you pointed out of it, that alive is positive. Let's do it. The mainstream media coverage is even your time, so I was very knowing the eighty seven alison is the amount of iris staffers that may be hired over a decade that includes replacing people who will quit because we're talking about a decade a lot of is, like. I T, support people answering the phones to help you out. If you have questions stuff like that, it's not like eighty seven thousand new auditor start on day one. It's a decades worth of hiring not at all yet so stupid. But here's what I was I I had the same reaction and then I was like you know

We can't do our typical, like liberal fact, checking up about the ira is no illinois. Excess gave me nerds you're wrong about the eighty seven thousand mother. That's. Why would you do I set out to demand it, and now I was mademoiselle united, mademoiselle humanity. Resolving? Are we dear darling in asia to live stranger, and we know what time it is a good example of her people. Hope you so much We do Jahangir and you can tell we can't fact check these vb. This is what's getting lost, but it's getting. They are mad that Joe Biden and democrats made it harder for rich people to cheat on their taxes in the course of want to make sure that the irish can't catch rich tax cheats? That's what they better it. That's all. It is right that, Forget the right. Forget the doyle don't get involved in the other, nine thousand bullshit, what they sort of its it's actually like they're, saying don't hire people cause they're coming after you. The whole reason we need to fix this These people have spent years gutting the ira so that it only targets.

why not enough of a rich people who get tax cuts for publicans. Now they want people to actually to break the law and not have to pay taxes if you're rich, if you're, I love, is put anything else. You guys find especially notable in there in terms of the details that were on the website, that was a and le loup I mean was perfectly vague. I'm really expect more from someone like Mccarthy. In this case I did like I do like when you to foreign policy section there, you're, so here's our four bullet foreign policy section, one of the bullets- is exercised. Peace through strength of there, I like to counter increasing global threats. Like oh that's solved, that's bold. One of the four education bullets was recover, lost learning from school closures, like that's a small, easy task that could be handled by the car

this also not allowed as privatisation of public schools there with rights, as is written so vaguely, and with so many bromides that you actually can go through it and circle. All the things that democratic or for I would look one note would be that it only plays just that it gives us shortest of shrift to their most important policy agenda, which is banning abortion, which is Dave included alignments as they will reject the life of the unborn and their mothers. And I it's interesting that they include its at its clearly a even in that brief sentence. You feel their fear that they ve had a lot of overreach on abortion, yet that that we can learn from what they don't mention, which was that the abortion peace and then interesting to me how much they talk about fetnah as part of the immigration story, a huge fish all across the country that doesn't cover that much. It doesn't seem like they mention repealing the dossier. I don't know how

huh, that is, but it's not noted, they're gone there. They are gone after it. Okay will do without will they'll get there. Eventually. I didn't see student debt forgiveness in there, despite all the protestation, the cortex over crime, schools, border chaos, and then you know the like flipping out about women's sports as they are pillar. Here, yes, so that was in there the ensure that only women can compete in women sports not much detail but make sure that that's in their right, not a lot of them. A lot of detail about green, like foreign policy, got the five words that use is right, but major they major. They have eight elements, we got ya, know no detail, but no detail anywhere, but no enemy nest right. Exactly what's interesting time is that the they had that one page in than they had the website, and then they all did some interviews LAO on friday and during the interview, some more of what they're looking for, where they're going to try to do so leaking out so they're still going after the affordable care act, they also want to block medicare from being able to negotiate for cheaper prescription drugs. We want an undue was the opposite of what their plants as incredibly,

popular provision in the inflation reduction act. Mccarthy also said we're gonna find out where the origins of covert started there. Their whole oversight thing. The oversight section is a little fever dream, yeah, that's going and that's what we should have with that in a second, but how you guys feeling about the republican plan to fight inflation. I thought that was a robust yeah, it's basically summarized as cut government spending, which you know might have made sense. I think, during the the covert era, stimulus checks that they all were for back in the day, but doesn't make sense any more and then it's pro growth, tax policy and deregulation policy, which, as long as we're being nerds, if that's acceptable, it is giantess That would lead to more inflation, so budget cuts in tax could easily. I got basically whole inflation platform is saying bided. It's also just like it's our butts, our one economic policy that we have for the last fifty years, tax cuts for

people paid for by cutting healthcare and education, they're still playing the hits trump in the streets, Paul ryan in the sheets. That's tennis got nothing else. They got nothing else. Data for progress did a poll of voters in eight swing states by the way, and they found that the democratic messages on social security, healthcare and taxes are the most convincing reasons for voters to vote for democrats over republicans. This is a new new poll that they had out. So it just goes to show you Why they're trying to cover up the search security, medicare stuff? Why they're trying to refrain their mascots zone? I hit race god, you know where they had better living is written so vaguely that they, this does not necessarily contradict the rick scott sunsetting plan. Exactly does not contradict it now still active

and they ve got up and they have all taken votes that line them up with the rex got plan right, so republicans won't be able to pass this agenda salons turbines president, but they will be able to launch all kinds of investigations, including impeachment proceedings against Biden or his cabinet here, south carolina republican nancy mace on meat, the press this weekend, you expect in an impeachment vote against president Biden, if republicans take over the house, I believe there's a lot of pressure on republicans to have that, though, to put that that legislation forward into that vote. I think that is as something that some folks are considering. While again, I'm someone who wants to yeah I want to follow. The constitution is really important, oversights important, but if these impeach Biden votes come up, how are you gonna go again, I am going to read what how that bill is filed. Watson

What evidence there was. I didn't vote to impeach the former president of the united states, because I felt like due process was stripped away. I will not vote for impeachment of any president if I feel that due process has been stripped away for anyone, but a fine public servant. You just think it's weird that chuck didn't ask what republicans might impeach been for just skip that one important question Do you vote for impeachment for fucking what that's like a really big part of it and it's a row in my book? I'm not! I don't know if your history buffs listening, but that's a big. part of it why this is like this is not a chuck specific problem, though I mean, like the republican cynicism around impeachment, is so baked into the political ache and expectations for republicans that they're, like yeah, while democrats, impeach trump twice so Biden, should expect to be impeached at least once. Why did he hold up military aid grain did he. You know thus anemometer capital. Now, whatever who cares aside even get into it violated it hit? Crews basically submitted this on his party and ass. He was like at heel. He ll be impeach, whether its justified or not.

Many pieces of order just suggest revenge and ale rightly, will find their reason. They ve got. They been floating afghanistan and floating the border and aid. They obviously are no more than two hundred by go for it. spent very unpopular to. Why wasn't? Voters, I was gonna say, doesn't seem to politically astute for republicans at this stage in the mid term campaign to openly talk about impeaching job. I I think yes, it like than the mega base that their desperately trying to cling to wants blood and reciprocity. So I think this is a message targeted at those people- I think you dupe talk about this on fox news and raving radio and never or else but no I mean, I don't think the zeer like message for swing, voters that you're going big with an ads yet or a preview of coming attractions that they do in the house, because they're in that our washington post story about the freedom caucus, basically saying we're going to want a whole bunch of changes that give us more power. If we're going to ever vote to make him mccarthy speaker and his

Only responses can we just do this after the election? Please right, that's why he's yeah, they might say it on to their base, but they don't want to talk about this at all and I like hope they get asked about it more and I think Democrats should incorporate it into their message. Like you give republicans the house, you think that they're going to hope that that they're actually going to take care of inflation, they're going to do anything that you want to be done. No they're going to protect donald trump run. Investigations forum, run investigations about Biden they're just going to it's going to be investigations for two years. It can be a circus, it's rubber, Jason's have the oversight. Agenda is like Dear J put association, which is you know, saying that trunk was unfairly targeted by the fbi and it will be the origins and then big tech censorship. So it's all very trumpet jason grievance stuff, investigate fao chee, invest. Again, we should get to the bottom. We should get the bonding guy, we should investigate bring. You know how garland down, there can Mccarthy already said you know clear your calendar to merit garland because he had the ass. If what am I right to try to retrieve the nuclear secrets, the trump stole and stash is fuckin beach.

clearly other golly that for an earlier position, clear calendar did propose some fuckin dates, where a giant government meeting by so doing asked zero time for lunch in the next six. Would you know you most days it I'd, be they invited end dates and I'll be leaving us if they accept or I'll say, ten nine for a quick call about what about what could it be an email, Kevin, so loved you you mentioned that there was a there's only one reference to abortion in the platform: a promise to protect the lives of unborn child. And their mothers. This is, of course, after lindsey gram proposed national abortion ban just a few weeks ago, and after just this weekend, when a judge in Arizona ruled that an eighteen sixty four law and that state that bans nearly all abortions must now take effect. Because of dobbs decision republicans in competitive races clearly do not want to talk about abortion? Is that a plausible strategy at this point plausible striving? I I'm sure that's what they try do. It's our job to make sure it doesn't work

and remind everyone everywhere all the time that every that that abortion is on the ballot in every russian raised. Abortion is on a ballot in every state, wide race and and drive on the point that they can try to moderate all they want in the three weeks before an election, but they are on the record for the year five years, ten years twenty years before and no matter what they say, I wonder how they try to allied were actual agenda. Their goal was to ban abortion everywhere without regard for the health of women, bringing people- and this is especially true now in arizona which has some of the tightest and most competitive midterm races in the country. Tell me what do we know about where the candidates If the candidates are on this issue in arizona and and how this ruling might change the race, I mean the the ruling in arizona just put into place an abortion law that mandates two to five years in prison. For anyone who provides abortion services, so blake masters was incredibly anti abortion. He described his website

though, so we don't really know anymore, though big mystery announcement yet and everything does carry weight and is also a right wing loon, although until recently she was an obama supporter, so I think the job is to tie these candidates around this decision and and make a very compelling case. The hard part is going to be when they all try to pull it. The santas and change the conversation to immigration, crime, inflation and mere manufacture of caravan narrative with fox news- and you know, that's that's the fight and one other piece too. It's just it. This is not perspective anymore. It's already happening right is it already happening? People are already

to leave states to get to get our healthcare are women with a with issues unrelated to being pregnant or having being unable to get the treatment and care that they need in states that have put in place a ban. So it's here that they they are getting exactly what they want. They can pretend that they're, not that's not for the future, is now I think in in the pennsylvania, governor's race and one thing: that's really hurt: Doug master Llano, aside from being a fucking lunatic, everything is, we say, abortions on the ballot everywhere in pennsylvania, doug mass rihanna was governor. He signs an abortion ban on day, one full complete abortion ban. If he's not have josh shapiro as governor abortion remains legal in pennsylvania. Re like it's, that simple arizona now

carrie lake and blake masters are sort of in that position in arizona, blake masters tried to erase the website, even though he is called does his own web. I t stuff that was yeah he's there. Now he does not use squarespace the area he is called abortion demonic. He wanted a constitutional amendment to ban abortion. These are the fifth how extreme it was Kerry lake said you know this weekend in response to that she said. Oh I'm, I'm pro life and she started attacking Katie hobbs for saying she's like oh, was she saying that if you ever, if you have a miscarriage that that's just confusing it with abortion care, will it's like you know what all the abortion clinics in arizona or shutting down now so health of the mother life of the mother, whatever it may be, women are not gonna have access to abortion. Can you the identical and abortion and the care you have to receive after miscarriages. The exact same fucking thing said: do not try to let any one, for this

It had christmas. Was that same thing over the weekend, trying to say that, overall for the health and life of the mother, we would never do that. Well, when abortion access is banned everywhere and a doctor has to fuckin call a lawyer before giving exactly hair, because they're not sure if it's within the letter of the fucking random law that was written in one hundred years ago, jabra react in nineteen, oh six right with the lyric. He had two to five years by the way doug mastery. I know that your question of. Can they avoid talking about this issue. I mean that's a guy who is just running something interesting like an off the grid campaign where he doesn't talk to any mainstream media. Does like the q anon variety hour

sure whatever doesn't get alot of folks come into these rally there. Fifty people, five zero, showed up at this event, not raise a lot of money, but that is interesting. As you know, and I, when I did this for group in pittsburgh, I talk to rebecca cats, whose john fishermen, senior adviser and malcolm can ya to her brain against fishermen in the primary- and I would ask him about you know is- is is josh parity think. Is he gonna go big on? Democracy is a theme because of mass drano and macedonia wanting to overturn the election and they were like now. I think the easier the easier play here is abortion there, like you, don't hafta, there's that you have to be creative about it. He wants to ban abortion in the state of pennsylvania completely. That is unbelievably unpopular and if you just runs on that issue, full time. He could definitely win and sure enough he's a he's ahead in the polls. So we shall see alright when we come back. We'll talk to our old pal David plus, the pod save america is brought you by zuma, Uma you're.

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and your dad lately hey David Plouffe question for you: are you ready to apologize for the fact that trying to beat mitt romney destroy democracy? Then why don't you? Why didn't you realize, when you are running a campaign against mitt romney, that what you should have done is just waved a little white flag and shown him how to get into the white house, because otherwise, republicans would decided then that they were fucking. Fascist is disallow just trying to bait Aren't you we should keep that in Indiana. The interaction with the relevant keep tat in tat were keeping it in a well imperfect on the positive They have no former obama and pay manager and senior white as adviser, our old boss and current podcast colleague, the preview episodes of new season of campaign h cure out now, David bluff. Welcome back to the pot John, I never thought we d referred to annapolis

I don't consider the case cause there wasn't a podcast competitor, so it was the that was the dream of two thousand and eight bluff. That's why we that's why we signed up. We knew someday we'd, be pocket needed a single a mean, but you know the minor leagues are good. It's lovely ballpark! You get to know the families exactly exactly you get invited on a hex on tap once in a while ooh sweet gig. If you can yeah alright, plus we're six weeks out how you feeling about these mid terms John. I know you're on the polar coast, germline, try and keep you off that pluck, but hard just little bitterly turned a million live at the other day and he said getting can juliet size and foul weather. Impulsively. Wasn't that word for word. I wonder where it had already been getting chile out its rubbed, his hands together and get some poles soon in irving image. I did say that was so sweet. It was like it was likely. We see you got to see him as a little boy. Anyways art

you and your forty shared five road. I am unfortunately do it in a word. I had already works, barely C4, you get excited about poles in the winter. You didn't happen. You in the twentieth ion. Listen, I think they did a couple Things can be true. The environments is good. Is any democratic, any right to hope. You know, probably for six months ago, and this is all super challenging election. So we always talk about the outliers in off years, two thousand to as one when bush was president. Aftermath of nine eleven? Ninety eight, which was a result of you, know a republican region an impeachment. Let's remember you and that election, which is great democratic election. We won zero senate eaten one five houses. So this gonna be really hard. You ve got where the party in power, I think about twenty five percent of amerika. Said: the economy is in good shape, but balancing that off with you know: dobbs abortion, the fight for democracy.

fact the republican brandon may republican. Cannot your just shit awful. So you put that all together- and you know I think you might have said six months ago- would have had a chance to hold the senator. We lose fifty house it. You know now looks like we have a chance to hold the house release, keep those gay it's a very minimal, so we can win back and in twenty four and the Senate looks quite and a lot of these governors races the positive. That being said, it's gonna be super clubs. We shouldn't get ourselves. You hear that but the polar coaster gone when one parties doing well in poles. That's tended to be asked the last six years, but have been republicans another cycles. You know you're you're at your side. We impose you're like forty nine forty eight, and there are other points of forty four. Well, we're gonna get my vote back. So what matters is a hundred the boat. How did I get allocated in my senses? Republicans you're gonna gained from that dynamic, but now in most states in particular in this I'd rather be us dynamic, that's a pretty remarkable thing to say so.

I was in the last three episodes of campaign h q. You went deep on pennsylvania and that are in georgia. The weirdest race, if we can start there I'd say, is pennsylvania because got fetterman and shapiro running like pretty traditional. Not traditional campaigns like fetterman is not a traditional candidate. They're running a really smart digital campaign, but they're they're, they're, running campaigns, they're running tv ads, are doing interviews and stuff you've. Dr Oz he's a weirdo but he's running a recognise. raising he's gonna, spend money and he's gonna talk to the press, and then you D, Doug Mascherano, the republican canada for governor who, just on mars right, the guy is running tv ads, you let me money that he doesn't talk to mainstream media sources and it's like he's throwing the kind a key went on and an adjacent kind of weird strata either you're someone who used to work on campaigns you randomly and campaigns. How do you figure out how to run against that?

This guy is running an off the grid strategy, you're trying to run a traditional strategy, the kgb, how they figure this out. Well, I think they're, good filner social's been pretty pretty smart and modern and not super traditional. I mean so. I think, in that way, they've really run, I think, campaign. A lot of Democrats can learn from our veterans now getting back out on the trail. So that's one thing about their campaign. Your your candidate was sidelined for a long time, so it super challenging. So listen! What's an election elections about candidates and it's about messages and it's about timing, it's about so many things as you guys know, but it's also about math. How many votes do I need to win? Pennsylvania is a perfect example of what what what is it required a win? a democrat by definition, has to win the scent of the electorate, because there's more conservatives and liberals in pennsylvania and you gotta make sure you either when the eternal gamer don't get out. So I think

in an shapiro both in different ways or making appeals to the true swing. Voters that live outside of pittsburgh in those pence in no suburbs outside of philadelphia in the central part of the general harris work, but also trying to motor if the base, so I I think those two races may diverge a little bit. I mean you know again, we can't believe a poll, but it does look like Shapiro may win that race when you know you're, not winning pennsylvania by twenty points, but he may win by a margin. and the centre race is likely to be a little bit more close, and so I think of you. Herman campaign you have to understand for those workers who are actually is considering shapiro indoors and what's the best way to tat, tear them all of us. That is probably the campaign within a campaign is most important and then, of course you know, are you gonna get the churn out of philadelphia, not of exposure eero and fetterman the one thing I'm sure that's going to happen again is the republicans are coming out they're going to come out like zombies. They are coming out like a horde. We should all be very afraid of. So that's

you just begun of the cake or we saw it in sixteen. We sought and eighteen, despite what happened in the house, they had really good turnout and a lot of places and we certainly saw it in twenty they're coming out in big big numbers and that's the question of your feder. The thing there very focused on trying to eat into some of these. Eggs, urban and rural margins buying did a good job in it. So you know if you can lose these these outlying counties by sixty five, thirty five, rather than seventy five twenty five,

that all adds up in a close re. So I think they're running a smart race, but I do think that those two races of all the states you look around the country, the rebuttal ground states that one has the potential for the most urgent when I say most urgent for normal ten points, but is it possible that those race is- or you know not within two or three points of each other as possible? Federation is a uniquely good candidate. Doktor OZ seems to be a uniquely bad candidate, and yet I think everybody had been watching that race and sank, while fishermen, as the federal campaigns, is be having a lot of fun, doing it incredible things online and deep what aspects of what they ve, doing to just make their their campaign seem like a fun one to be. A part of the using other Democrats could be replicated even if they're not going up against someone as can do

We have two mockery as us who are JANET's mean you do have to be authentic to your candidate and campaign. I mean so that's a lesson. We've all learned, which he you just can't plug and play so fetterman seems to be someone this kind of campaign suits them. You know and and but I think one they're not they're, not you know they don't focus group in and test everything they do. They just go with their gut and what I love as it's probably a bunch of people. Twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. saying. I think this is a good idea and there's not a lot of friction to get that out in you're. So I love that so anymore, campaigns have to be more comfortable withdrawn and errant pass every once in a while. I think, really be tough. On your opponent, I mean they really gonna doktor ass his character. I think it really is released. when I think they understand elections. I wish elections were about policy papers and distinctions on tax rates and how many people get healthcare and don't that's not what politics is today. It's a perform, unfortunately, and I think they get that

Of course that's gonna be under guarded by values and who are fighting for when you biographer used for it, but I think they understand that its performance and you gotta go out their everyday. Put your point on the defensive thousand fund so again. I wish politics wasn't in that state in the year two thousand and twenty two, but it is that's why, when we think about who's going to run for president twenty four twenty eight like, let's forget the resume or the paper in a way: obama change that trumpet James I'm store now even ought to think a chimera that someone should be a good president, but you know after a long resume like when you think about all the democratic standards people say, you know ticklish by doesn't run reasonably. Does one in twenty eight we ve got no benjamin. You look the people running this time to ryan. You know feder men, more kelly, thou damning, you know, stacey abrams. You know beazley all these people the present, what are they when their race or not? You know So I think that we have to understand that this is much more performance in policy and that's just the suddenly republicans of understood. I think much more consistently than we have.

What do you think's going on in nevada or because they think of all of the democratic incumbents who are up? I sort of worry about cortez mass do the most and I think, she's a great candidate and running a good race, but it seems like that, and I listened to your interview with jon ralston- it's like that state is sort of drifting away from Democrats a bit. You know Biden, sort of didn't really over perform hilary in that state on, like you, didn't most, every other state competitive, thus swing state and I'm just not quite sure, what's going on there? But what would you read on areas will? Firstly, on his release to twenty four, we should be very concerned about as you. As you know. I know you probably spend a lot of time on the websites where you piece together, the two hundred and seventy electoral votes and in a close election nevada It's a pretty quick of all in the light of those scenarios and nobody is trend in a challenging. I mean we see with

and since doing the same thing that as excited as you'd get about georgia and arizona as we should, and hopefully at some point. Texas will join the party and it's concerning so I think victim, and there is no doubt that listen. I think the pandemic alert the nevada economy in an outsized way, and I think you are seeing some some republican gains with non college voters of of color. They are particularly men which is concerning This, though lack salt is a shit. Can he doesn't get the the you know headlines that walker gets or masters gets, but you this guy's got a long. History ran for governor reason, optically popular, so you know I do think master his back and fitted in that candid, yeah I mean, I think, that she is someone she's a first term candidate that has got a lot of transient folks, it's not like she's got a deep relationship with a lot of people in the states. Why worry about doubting the governor's race is gonna, be close as well. There's also three toss up house race in that you know relatively,

more state, so so yeah, it's gonna require you know, holding your vote share with with hispanic voters and certainly with black booters, getting the right kind of turn out. You got a blow out clark, counting, not just the city the suburbs, and then you, you know you ve got what wash you can't. You remember when we ran back and await twelve. That was one of the definitive swing counties in the country is now moved more blue, but that's been counter acted by some of those exertion rural areas, really really turning deep, deep, deep red. So I think Those racist or sheer toss up, I think quarter master got lucky that lacks all your candidate. Wasn't somebody is kind of a fresh I'll face the only amount of ad. As I mean the secretary of state, there is an election denier. You've got other down ballot candidates for republicans, statewide guerrilla action deniers. I mean they've gone completely off the deep end. There, and so it's concerning, because let me I don't know we don't who's gonna to know the Biden trump or there other match up some twenty four but

written about it won't be close, and so, if we have that secretary of state only republican side presiding over their election, it gets even scarier it's been interesting, seeing the different strategies evolve in the major races in georgia. State Abrams is really embraced. Biden. I think little more than nationalized race. She seems a little more comfortable sounding partisan, warnock is, is not attacking Biden but he's not clinging to him. He's emphasising working with anyone going anywhere that kind of message do you think that those strategy differences are born of necessity, given how they ve been may be defined,

in the states differently, or are these differences in approach like what? What did you take away from that? Well, listen. Some of your listeners will think this is defeatist, but if you're a federal statewide candidate in a southern state, certainly this is true in any battleground state. You have to be a little more careful and again, I I think you know we don't live in a west wing episode where you can. the most liberal thing in boaters genuflect anyone. This is still a really really tough country, the senator stacked against us, the electoral colleges stacked against us. So, again, as you guys remember, you know. In presidential racism mean we win the popular vote with great. hilarity, but when the electoral college, you the wind. The middle and you have to do well enough on the base, and so I think

if you're someone like warnock to appeal to those voters that got you there in the first place, of course, you're not going to trim your sails on the things you believe about, but you've got to talk about. I've worked with Republicans and you're not going to be the same flame thrower. So I think I think it is, I think, with abrams the challenges and she's running a great race hobby. Since you see here, all of us is campus benefiting from the fact that trump attacked him. There's just no question about I mean ravensburger may walk to you know I mean we have a great secretary of state candidate, running against him too, but clearly he's benefited from this there's a lesson there. By the way, I don't think many republicans will take it. But if you stand up, this guy just a little bit and somehow you can survive your primary. The general lack of will reward you. We ve been talking about how these republican candidates are shit, as you said, and have given democrat sort of a target, rich environment, If, if you were running a democratic campaign, right now get six weeks to go well, Would you be having your candidate talk about everyday? What would most of your ads be about where what would you zero in on? Well, John? I

I know that all depends on who you're running against and where the polls are can kind of what what progress, you're, making interval call or not, but I think campaigns have always had to be a balance between and again, if you're an incumbent, you definitely need to make this a referendum, not a choice, but no matter who you are I can see challenger and comment. There's gotta be a blend of here's. What I'll do? Here's, who I am who's watchers, who I'm fighting for and again policy secondary to the values, the policy to supports that you wasted a great job while you guys and all your communication and understanding that when you were writing releases and speeches, so you ve gotta, do both you, there's gotta he paused about their there's, gotta be comparative and there's gotta be rip roaring negative, like you just gotta paint a picture of what will happen if this person gets elected. specifically and then generally, their party takes control democracies, probably over you know women are gonna, lose even more healthcare rights, they'll, try and dan abortion on the federal level. They occur

taxes for the wealthy, even as were losing jobs in what looks like to be a recession like you got a paint, a picture, None of that is gilding the lily cause. You know the evidence is there, but again, if you're, if you're managing a campaign, it's it's there's dials. How do I get to number of votes? I need to get to and a lot of that geographic breakdowns, demographic breakdown but it's a blend of making sure you winning enough truce when voters and they still exist and making short every race I ran you, try to overestimate opponent like they're gonna turn out more borders than we think. So if we think, if our mind It says we need they are going to have one hundred voters turnout. Let's assume they turn out one hundred and ten you know: can we beat that? So that's the challenging thing out. We have seen candidates throughout history in our party be able to have the same message that can both motivate and persuade swing, voters and excite the base

and so I think you what I would do in the close of the campaign is just all that matters is my vocal and and maybe you do a little more persuasion but you're feeling better off based or maybe not or maybe it's fifty fifty but also the put your opponent on the defensive you. You know a lot of people decide to vote to volunteer at the end. A lot of people haven't you checked into these elections even about are starting to go off so timings important. So you wanna make sure you you ve, left some good moments here for the end, So you can close in a really really strong way when I think that's one of the challenges remember back and sixteen. The last debate ended so early in presidential race. Hilary had like three weeks and you know I think that was a long way to the finish line. Apis James coming up, not just cancel Jimmy's you, so you know what you talked about: the environment being being tough and you have had a few places where there are these glimmers of hope,

If you had new york nineteen, you have that vote in kansas around abortion access. What lessons do you draw from those surprising wins on abortion and how it should play and what lessons? Don't you draw from it? Well, listen! Those are actual elections, not polls, so I think we should all pay lot attention to it in, and you know that should make us feel optimistic. So here the kansas, Watson was only about abortion. So lesson one is to the extent your race can be about it. And more than anything else, that's a good thing. So I would keep that frightened centre with great ferocity and and turn out was pretty strong. So I think that you know that doesn't mean you at all rest on their laurels, but is you're thinking about what kind of turn out you can get, whether that's a house were sent. Arrays were governors race. I think you should be looking at the outer edge of what's of what's possible, so

but not every raises. No race is only about abortion, but listen if you're running for the senate, every state that has a competitive centre race is at least two thirds pro choice: every state, no matter what the like blake masters is racing. What his fucking, you know stuff on his website. Who cares like this was his position and if he gets elected You know the first bill he's going to vote on is to ban abortion federally and that's the other thing. This law in arizona just got greenlit yeah. That could make the difference in governor's race, secretary of state rate in centuries, because it's real ok. So what I want gatwick merging gray eyes a job. Yet what are you what your advice that all these campaign managers out there who are trying to? Races, they believe everything yours right now, but the last three weeks the election have another caravan ride or another. the santas. You know, sir, like immigration specific stunt and they try to change the message to

the border and crime like what would you do or what would you advise people to do when that happens, for how to manage those closing weeks while personal and not to listen to people? My generation cause we're like out of touch with you communicate? that would be high first. So but I'd say this histories import here we, I think our part, for the most part in media, thinks republicans are geniuses. Ok, let's remember the key. Van did not work. That was twenty eighteen, almost twenty twenty there's gonna, be S. Thirteen people camping on your back. Our raping you're. You know family members statute in work either. So I think we should be careful about assigning too much value to their stance, so I will just execute your game plan and there's a lot of things that you can prove crucify republican canada on and to keep that runs enter and again, all these campaigns have plenty of money, so you can community

the message you want to communicate to who you want. It's mean character very differently when you're in office, when you're much more at the whims of you, know the press story. So I can't you just you know you ve got your game plan, it's kind of like a football coach. You comes in with a first twenty place. You know what you're gonna do those last three or four weeks, and you just doesn't mean that you can't react to an outside event, but for the most part ticklish. well as to your advertising, your content and what you're driving on the ground you just gotta stay focused on that, so there'll be something we know that. But again, I think we we think that all this stuff has worked so well in the past, was the end of two thousand twelve number. A bomb is going to cut medicare and you know they get all these plaudits from pundits about how brilliant they are putting republic has opted for democrats on it. And generally it hasn't, worked. Yeah yeah, don't freak out stick to the game plan, secularize David bluff! Thank you so much for us, joining us in fear, wisdom and everyone go check out campaigning cute, fantastic puck, ass, an android. Have you done with you cook? Apart

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Darrell maggie report, would she hears chief stop doing that she prepared the buccaneers take today by recounting a conversation she had with trump. About january six, the former president apparently told mike pence mike you have a chance to be thomas jefferson or you can be MIKE pence. He chose to be mike pence so funny how q is it to tell mike pence to throw out the constitution, all all the election of eight hundred. hard won what you do it's her cot. Have we have everything we normalized. I it's gotta, be enabled here. Well it, but it's sort of like it's it's, so he could have been thomas jefferson, evil interpretations of the constitution have been used by others to great effect, while you lost especially over here. That's fine! I'm! Ok with a. I guess, I'm okay with a yeah. I don't feel great. If I don't love it, but it's fine! A can ask which, how many of you know what happened? Neglection

Aren t we dairy policy, primarily let us now. If you pretty far, can be honest. I know I knew about it. But I don't really wanna talk about it right now. Let's keep going. I actually at what happened was wondering which one of you was the biggest history buff. I thought it'd be taught me to know not no strike out alright to you, I don't. I hardly know either teller necessary on number three. So much for informing people oh hi house, candidate, J, Armand juicy recently got caught lying about his military service mono. He ran a facebook god. I done a fine as a combat veteran and published a biography stating that his squadron was one of the first on the ground and afghanistan after nine eleven. Could you say I'm sorry interrupt, but whenever I heard no images key, I just think that that's a funny thing to say to a rabbi when you ask for a beer.

bruschi images get putting on a shirt, but I think every time alleges so so should not to have everybody. Elijah is so small on the screen, but I can see his little head shaken. Yeah, definitely shaken briskly images. In reality, medusa ii was stationed in an air base in Japan and then deployed to cut off to load and unload plans how q and on as it to inflate your military courts. because the reason I think is a borderline normal is because he got busted and the republican campaign committees immediately pulled sport. Let me tell you medusa: he was at the door on trumped rally a couple weeks ago, saying a whole bunch of things that, when a government acute territory, but they are the inflating the military wreckers out of them serve ever Democrats voted to. As I said, we run, genetic damage is gales a storm. The cap at all. He is a big fan of cuban on means any at a giant trump mural on his fine. He like he looks like

would happen if an f one fifty that had never seen been scratched was a person huh yeah, that's how he got famous Libya right. He had the biggest trump sign ever that he carved into his like multi, acre atlanta. So here's my question. I had a feeling you all were defend jus ski outward and add a layer, interesting, framing pow q and on is it to defend someone lying about their militaries suffer also borderline normal borderline. Normal way to normal forget are you? Are you hurt your first by the way is killing me yeah, yeah, now arable both away. I don't know, I thought you didn't get inside that he didn't. I naturally one during the truth and library coalition conference this month, representative lorn, barber warned of the and times and called for christians to rise up. Here's a clip the end drawn near. We know that we are in the last of the last days

But it's not a time to complain about it. It's not a time to get set about it. This is a time to know that you were called to be a part of these last days. You get to have a role in a in the second coming of Jesus I therefore urge you to me: that's it. That's all! That's a top ten times more one million, I disagree: reigate Springsteen yells rise. Ben assign you guys get my grammy, you now causing the ice. You would you honest and even if it is recommended, this guy he's these sort of way sigh of each hour, my city of ruin, having got an we got, concerns

you're sure yeah, I'm not everything. That's the curious thing. I've heard today at all right here and the last one donald trump retreats an image of Jesus beckoning for you to follow him. What the caption Jesus is, the greatest president Donald trump the second great. How come you isn't to call yourself gone that gmos? Let me make imperative. Somebody has said is very clearly that second yeah, I think that's. I think, politicians comparing themselves politicians claiming that Jesus is on their side. It is pretty normal but saying that you're, the second greatest took these, like god in the grey zone, are that we have to go out and got to get out of the water. I think it's I thought of fox news as elsewhere. I think it I was just sort of an outrageous statement that can only be made okay by the conservative media infrastructure that defends everything. He does and says. Yea said the argument, that's right! Yeah, that's right

about bread bear emailing. There had a fox news and asking for them to pull back thea the fox news earlier, It calls an arizona straight shooter, straight shooter. One though yeah I mean in fairness, the river they caught got a little lucky on that call a little early early early, I'm glad it works out. I'm glad it worked out in fairness to bread bare put that on a tourist T. Shirt is a tombstone remember on thursday, when I defended brett kavanaugh. Well, we had another another brett defender on the all right under the next mac gates offered a preview of the agenda head up. You all just talked about I'm saying I'm going to play a critic role as taught member of the house judiciary committee, where we're going to be. Rising a lot of oversight and potentially even impeachment, how queues at two promised to investigate or political opponents for anything everything and nothing at all. That's fox news to those of others too,

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important items where the fuck are you hang it? How do you know that? It's just that's what he put out there. This kind of floating torsos on the metaphor sat was a reaction to what given that a first where we just like it was like a word you're, not whereas a general where olivia fantasy, games. I thank you to david plot for joining us. Thank you to libya and the team for their wonderful game acute here and we'll talk to him Here's the thing the reason I think that in general anniversary, because they were tried, they were so afraid they are so afraid. Like all attacks data like we can deal with gender in the matter of ourselves. Whatever it's just me, I went to conspiracy. What is it were referencing when you say that all the pillars of an unmarked Zuckerberg's Zuckerberg video, we're just sort of floating upper bodies, collecting data, They also don't want people making funny images inside the metaphorically announced that none of the like, I think, will be plenty of funny business inside the been met of murderers. I half the point. I don't understand the difference in the metaverse into second life. Remember when

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