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it's cut on today's show. Ah we had a big week in politics. Tommy Joe Biden will become the first president in a century to join a picket line when he visits Detroit in support of the. U a w, Wednesday. The second republican debate is hearing california on thursday how's republicans will hold their first by an impeachment hearing and on Saturday there is a high priority lady, that they'll shut down the federal government, but first at the centre of all these events per usual is donald trump he'll be skipping the debate again and instead will also speak to our workers in Detroit he's pressuring house republicans to impeach Biden and demanded again untruth social this weekend that they shut down the government lest they can somehow force the justice department drop their cases against him, which they can't just a few other notable post from trump and the last seventy two hours. He suggested that america's top general outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs mark milly deserves to be executed. He called on all Senate democrats to resign because new jersey, senator bombing and as was

I did he promised that if he wins he'll order investigations into media outlets like NBC, that have criticised him, and then he held a rally in south carolina. He was really on one seven, a good time at once. Let's listen beauty was when I came here, everyone thought bush was gonna win and then they took a pole and they found out. Tromp was up by about fifty four. As everyone said, what's going on right here, they thought bush, because bush supposedly was a military person great. You know what he was a miller. He got us into the he got us into the middle east side of that work out right, but they all thought that the bush might win. Jeb, remember job, but you have a better chance. struck by lightning than hitting a well with you about, but on the other hand, windmills are causing whales to die in numbers, never seen before the windmills driving I'm crazy. They driving their driving the whales. I think a little body. I didn't know that job.

job did Iraq and the windmills are driving the whales a little body? Those are the headlines from the south carolina rally the The whale thing it's like a big right wing- Why now is it I didn't know? There was a backstory to. There has been an increased number of whale deaths over the last seven years and the a bunch of people are trying to say it's because of offshore wind farms, but it's there's no evidence of that. Most of the dead whales were hit by boats or cotton nets or something, but why not blame windmills? If you're donald trump, the man is deteriorating, tommy frilly that the JEB thing is now the set around we played couple weeks ago. I think the clip where he confused obama and Biden and Hillary had them all mixed up now he's got jeb and george w mixed up. It's sad to seem like it's sad to see him like this, so oh you know, and then there's the than theirs his truth seas. In that milly should have been executed. If you know in another

time he would have been executed for treason, and he was saying this because mark milley called god chinese government after january six to let them know that everything was ok. He was just trying to prevent a war trying to prevent a war actually right and then, of course, sir, he said on the under NBC thing. I say up for an openly and proudly that when I, when the presidency vague others of the lame stream media will be thoroughly scrutinise for their knowingly dishonest and crept coverage, they were true threat to democracy. They should pay a big price for what they have done, There have been many times in my life where I did want to punish comcast. It was not often for MSNBC, though I mean somehow. None of this is leading the news and we are at a moment right now, we're trump's political standing is arguably stronger than ever. What do you think is going on? Should Democrats and and Biden be focusing more on trump? What's the best way to respond to all this lunacy that I just meant it just

colored are new problems. Are the old one try to meet its it? Obviously there like unacceptable and scary and in normal times, blockbuster news, but I think kind of par for the course in the modern republican party, see pogo sir said quote in a better society quisling like strange sodomy. Promoting general millie would be hung, said members of congress, he heat tweeting things like this, that was in his taxpayer, funded newsletter to constituents, Paul gosar and, of course, any that did come after, of course, trump's truth. So just in case you like no one was sure if any lunatics would take their cues from trump's post, we are one where one dentist in arizona. I think you fear than Biden campaign. It would be a good time to have your military surrogates talking to press about the disrespect to billy in the military, the editing and Emily peace. Is it the edge and Emily talks about a events he did with trump and wounded veterans or trump sad? Basically, no one wants to see people who are grievously wounded like that you'll keep them away from me in the future

It came out at the time I think, but hearing it come familiars again shocking all over, but I do think we learned in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty that chasing the trump outrage of the day. Is this not a message than effective message and I think that's even harder now for Biden as president, so he cut the dual track job right, like he gotta do the things you have to do to solve inflation or keep the government open deal with climate change whatever, but also I think, fold what trump is saying into a broader narrative about the extremism of the republican party. That also includes our next topic, which is this government shutdown. That will probably happen. I think that it is time for Joe Biden and the democratic party to start painting a very clear vision of what a second trump term could look like, and I think that has to include the threats of extremism and violence. That trump is once again voicing you're totally right that, like outrage the day trump says something crazy. Whatever it's funded,

if using jab and talking about fuckin wales right. That's all fun yeah, but like new york times had a story today too. Over the weekend, trump supporters are threatening the lives and families of the judges overseeing the cases. The prosecutor, These are now requiring around the clock protection. The fbi has created a special unit just to deal with the increased threats increased by three hundred percent against. The agents, the grand jury in atlanta. They were docs. We've talked about this a couple months ago and it happened, but there was the guy charged with storming the capitol who was then arrested with two guns in the

and it rounds of ammo trying to get to obama's promises, has trump fucking re re troost a post that supposedly had Obama his home address. So I do think that, like we've talked with this, before Biden has to walk this line, he can't comment on the prosecution's right on that kind of stuff, but I know he's going to he's he's supposed to give a speech. I think in arizona about democracy, sometimes somewhat soon Biden is- and I do think he has to paint a picture of what trump wants to do in a second term right, which is clear out. The federal bureaucracy have all loyalists there make the justice department not independent at all order prosecutions of all his enemies. It's pretty scary.

It is scary, and you know leah when we say like that, since it's not good yeah, I just think we're not doing enough. You know- and I I get I get when you poll and it's like, we gotta talk about the economy and people are worried about inflation, like I'm always on that for sure, but there's a lot of scary shit that trump wants to do and he's basically promising retro. fusion and revenge and he's going to have nothing to lose if he wins again. I hear you and I agree with you on some level- the sort of political strategist part of my brain sometimes thinks everyone watched january six happen and everyone has memory hold it. None of the things he's tweeting or true thing or posting or saying at these speeches is going to impact people more than that. So I wonder how effective it will be as opposed the core argument, but I do think there is a mean. Clearly the white house is settled on the kind of ultra magda extra.

islam narrative as being the thing they're running against. I think that's good and it certainly encompasses the actual overt threats to people's lives and security that year referencing, but also the extreme policy views shutting down the government six week, abortion bans all the things are trying to do, and you know it's into little complicated, but its young important. The memory whole issue is a real problem and I just go back to you know. I was worried that the argument about democracy would work in twenty twenty two and then the january six hearings happened your prime time and Joe Biden made a lot speeches, but democracy and you know what that did have an effect, not because it convince people who were convinced before, but it reminded people scary. It was- and I think, reminding people about trump and what he's going to do and what could happen, and not just the that he's saying bad things, but that it will lead to actions that could tangibly impact our lives, I think, is going to be really import.

so the rest of the republican feel debate on Wednesday they're all pulling further behind trump than ever before it's nationally and in the early states. Ron De Santis has probably lost the most ground with candidates like nikki, haley and vivek ramaswamy, nipping at his heels in some polls, but none of them are even close to trump. At this point, Tommy you're heading up to the debate on. Stay. I'm excited what are what you can we watch and for their weight, which you can be doing up there. I've always wanted to go to the rigging library heard. There's exhibit theirs full office up there. No we're going to go see what kind of crowds they got. Maybe I talk to some supporters. I get to come to the spin room, I hope fun. Maybe some of the candidates will well be in there gets talked to him. You can talk to your friend, Jeff roe. I e that would be interesting. I like well maybe jason miller from the trump campaign look sometimes

in n the one on one general election debates. Usually it's surrogates go into the spin room in the primary debates. Sometimes a candidate is going oh yeah so, but who knows I mean they're like vegas, so thirsty, I'm sure that guy will go in, but it will be fun to tell people on, ironically that I'm from the crooked media I think that this sunday, I'm looking for tat, I think, is anyone with eyeballs knows my face. Screamed working and I want to see backing and threaten who knew it? I get them to tell me their secrets are given new sums up to his barely gonna be up. There. I hear he's got a debate set with Rhonda santa's four november thirtieth live on fox in georgia right at a nose. Yeah, I think that's what they were talking about. Yeah ask them about that you're going to have it, but you have to have a question ready for vague, because you're right, he's, he's, thirsty and he'll talk to johns and might think that you're a republican. So that's pretty good. I mean odds, are but you know, look, I think in terms of strategy. They

all these candidates who are debating witches folks, not trump needs to decide Are we trying to win or are we trying to get a job in trumps cabinet? And it's not clear to me wherever bunny stands on this this question, if you're trying to win you can have to run against donald trump and make an argument against him. That feels away. Voters for in time. I thought that was unlike debility argument. Some of the poles you reference earlier. That shows him doing better had had against Biden is gonna make that elected body argument very hard, maybe they, MR window, but I mean the added these guys there. These other kinda aren't really trying the running as each other audience trump. It is hard for me to get self to believe that this debate matters at all. Doesn't I do think the windows I mean what suddenly, if you're, take a couple of the candidates right, if you Nicky Hayley

You can probably still make an electability case against trump, because she's got a bunch of polls. The NBC poll shows her doing better than any other candidate against Joe Biden. Just a couple of polls like that now, probably make that case. She had some donor money coming from donor money. She had a little momentum if I were hurt, but but again if she doesn't spend the whole time making a case against donald trump. Forget it you know or they do, then you ask yourself: is she going for vp or secretary of state rights or both? jobs yeah good luck to you, but all that and yeah. Now I wonder if she's screwed herself on that, because now she's criticized trump just enough that she might have pissed him off. I don't know what you do if you're under santa

cause, he can't make the electability argument any more he's cratered in a lot of polls like I don't know what he does in this debate. He's at the point where you start to wonder: if he's going to be told by people around him advisers, donors, friends that he's harming himself by staying in and that he might need to drop out and refocus on florida and think about running some other time yeah. No, I think I think we could get pretty close to that. If I were Chris Christie like I look on then Chris Christie's going anywhere in this primary when his thing, but I would turn every single answer into an opportunity to make the case. Why donald trump is, you know horrible for the country, a threat to democracy, and normally that case I go after the other people on that stage for not saying that what else does he get to lose he's not winning at this point, and he didn't take all those opportunities in the last debate. Yeah now did you see the the wall street journal? Edit

Israel gave them all an argument to use about donald trump a couple of days ago. They had an editorial. That said, why is mister trump afraid to confront other republicans without the aid of a teleprompter? Is he worried, he'd, look his age at seventy seven next to younger candidates. That's good! I like that. Well, you know trump was so enthused about skipping the first and second debate that he's now gonna skip the third So I had another they're doing a job beating him into these things. I mean they just don't The name of the game here is like someone's got to get attention for themselves. If they go up there and they talk about how bad Joe Biden is and how bad the Democrats are and take a glancing shot at trump about like you know, adding to the debt or this or that like it's, just not it's not gonna work, yeah and they're all going to get drawn into the news. The day, they're gonna get pulled into conversations by the government, shutdown and things that might not necessarily create the headlines. They want so it'll, be tough. It'll, be

fun to see how pissed MIKE pence gets at forgot about my cuts. Yeah, so did a lot of people do yeah, who else it can be up there. Tim Scott's telling people that it's important to start drawing contrasts with the other candidates. So maybe TIM Scott's learn that he's going to have to get a little feisty girlfriends in the spin room. She isn't well, that's what I would do. If I were him, he just like me thinks she'll like the zoom. Alright, we'll have fun up there. Thank you recited to go. You can also join us, live in the discord sign up for to be a friend of the pod. You can send up a cricket dot com, slash friends will be having live reaction and then right after the debate, love it and dan- and I will be right here in studio- will be recording the pod re after debating and well talk to you. How can I find out where you are? What you seen up the debate, a colleague from ervic store, bus or whatever love that so trump opponents of, as we said, have been trying to argue that their more electable against Joe Biden but enforced. For them and us the poles are telling different story. The average

show that a trumpet Biden rematch would basically be tied if the elections were held. If there is a new washington post, ABC pull that has trumped leading Biden by fifty two to forty two. Now even the posts own story about the pole, strongly suggest it's an outlier. Actually, I ve never seen major media outlets. Be that honest in their right up that their own pole is an alliance for pre unusual, but there's all oh a new NBC news, Paul that also came out the same day as the post Paul that shows the race tied at forty six, forty six, which still pretty close for comfort. Lotta good arguments that the post poles in a liar, I believe them, but I have also heard from a lot of people who were pretty freaked out for you have to. What are your thoughts on this poland? The invisible? I mean the I kind of obvious in condescending point is that no one should worry about any pull over a year from election right, but, like you know, we all do worry about the czech jury and what it means about political standing. I do think that

the the outlier arguments that were convincing to me word that I don't think any other pole has shown trump winning by that wide of the margin and getting over fifty percent Two elections have shown he hasn't got me. I didn't like even the election, he actually one in twenty. Sixteen, he barely didn't break forty seven percent and the other piece of it was the pole. I trump leading Biden with young voters by twenty points. I am certainly no. We talked about it on the show, there's ban great right ups by on a continent than your times about challenges, Biden its having with young voters, but I've never seen trump winning by twenty points of view. No, no! No, I think it's it's clear. It's an outlier and I also think it's. It is a good argument that polls a year from the election, especially polls when there's a heated republican primary going on and there is an incumbent president- who's had a middling approval ratings, to say the least, are not going to be very predictive right that

ed. We know this is going to be a close election like yes, trumps, not gonna, win by ten Biden is not gonna win by ten, it's gonna be close, and it's going to be in it's gonna. within the margin and a lot of these swing states right now. There's some arguments that I don't necessarily love when pulls like us. Come out one I mean, as you know, people try to unscrew them right or they say that, like it's, the media trying to make a close race on like that, and there's all this like conspiracy around that. I don't love that I don't love. the oh. They all told us there were all the polls were wrong and twenty twenty two and said they were red wave coming. The polls were not wrong, not that wrong. A twenty twenty two. In fact, there were more accurate in twenty twenty two than in any election since nineteen. Ninety eight, the punditry, was off in twenty twenty two got a little itself talking about the red way, but the pulse, pretty good were abc, had a really bad wisconsin paul ABC have yet, which is again and your one one

huge outlier one outlier, one outlet. It's interesting that the same one yeah I mean the book. We shall supine out that a lot of republicans don't seem to believe this poll. So it's not just a bunch of liberals, unscrewing. Also, you know, look, there's margin of error on survey data and it could be plus or minus four points for Both the Biden number and the trump margins that could result in an outcome like this. I wonder what you thought about this, the den pfeiffer was murder was hard on a b c for release, the pole and then criticising it, and I didn't agree with that. Imagine a scenario where a b c in the post to a poll, it's really favorable for trump. They don't trust the data, so they don't release it and that somehow leaks that to me leads to the kind of conspiracy theory mega fever. dream stuff yet in their gettin subpoena by Jim Jordan and hauled before congress like twitter, twitter, something suppressing the votes? No ida look maintains meet denzel hair defend himself, but I didn't will will will soon be sitting on the fence.

there's a, but I didn't quite agree with that either or he said, publish it, but then stand by it. I do, I think, they're standing by it they're just saying like here Results were saying by them, but by the way they are there not in line with most of the other poles and most of them. You outlets, which I think is responsible thing to do yet at its disposal, to I think part of dance critique was they called it an outlier, but I think the last abc washing post survey had trumped up six, so was not that much of an outlier which, frankly, is more cause for concern yeah. Well, there's there there could be something interesting in the methodology. They're right, if you you pointed out, I guess that wisconsin poll was was not twenty. Twenty two that was twenty twenty rx, is at risk Biden up by. Like a million points in wisconsin,

Yes, so there is something a little goofy above abc rushing to postpone, even though there you know their rated an ape holster about the apples to have problems right. I do think it's interesting. I wonder what you think about. So all these national poles are really tight. The adding to real cool politics average, which also is an imperfect, has like trumped up one point: eight non. Every the state poles socially, like swing state poles, are so far like better for Biden than the national poles, which is interesting leah. There was a scene in pole of new Hampshire last week that has Biden up fifty two forty on trump in new Hampshire by one new Hampshire by seven p, It's twenty that would be a better result for binding and that, obviously a state where a lot of people pay close attention, especially because there's a primary going on I do wonder why the staples are somewhat better yeah, that is very surprising. You'd expect new Hampshire to be hearing a lot of anti Biden messages right now and for that may be to do a number on it's providing, I think the latter

If you only understand, is you don't do appall get the data back in the results of the results Pollster waits it in certain ways based on what they think Actual electorate will look like at the time of the election. So that's how you see a large variance. The one thing about with new hampshire electorate. There is, it is more college educated, then the nation as a whole, its wider in the nation as a whole, and we know that college educated, white voters are giving Democrats and Joe Biden much bigger margins than ever before, and they are turning out much more than ever before. That's why we're doing so. Well, in all of these special elections, when you just happened to be in areas where there are a lot of college kid white voters disproportionately- and I noticed this from the NBC pole right up, which is it says, a greater share of republican voters than democratic voters have high interest in the upcoming elections. While key parts of the democratic base, younger voters, black voters and,

He, no voters have lower interest and, at the same point in past election cycles. So even if you have the washing opposed as an outline in some of these other pulls, you could start to see it. I don't wear sort of lower interest. Voters, people aren't consuming the news as much rich and be younger disproportionately. Black and latino are either not participating in polls are less interested in the election or less enthusiastic about Joe Biden and either way it does seem like this is a group of voters that you really gonna want to focus on, if you're the Biden campaign to make sure that they are engaged internet absolutely, yet, as just wonder why

I do a bunch of national polls this far out. Why not? Just do a bunch of stupid stuff. If I was threads, been running a media organization with enough money to do a really high quality poll, I would absolutely start doing staple yes, I will not waste my money and I need a bunch of data texas and california. I would login I was looking before we we did this and, as like, there hasn't been a like high quality georgia poll in a long long time, arizona there a couple of pennsylvania and michigan ones again, where Biden was actually winning in those polls a couple of weeks ago. Right so you know I'd love to see more state polls in the NBC poll, sixty percent. I'm said that they want someone else to run democratic congressmen, dean phillips from Minnesota just said in an interview this week that he still thinking about mounting a primary challenge against job. I, What do you think good idea? Bad idea doesn't really matter. I pay a lot of attention to politics. I dont know who d

stevedores, can realise congressmen. Dean philips from minnesota. Isn't here can pick about up contact our? I that's. Why I'm less worried about this one they for some well known. Governor or you now Senator someone's, like a name, I d to primary biden them. me worried right. The example you always here is about tat kennedy. His primary challenged, Jimmy carter. Nineteen. Eighty, the the context there was, though, that you know the bottom had fallen out for Jimmy Carter. I think prey before Kennedy decided to run. He was beating Carter like two to one in polls and then they went through this brutal primary carter b, Kennedy and Kennedy. Didn't he didn't really. He was acrimonious all the way to the convention and Kennedy gave his famous speech and kind of rip the party apart, and so I think, a lot of Biden staff worked for carter, they're very sensitive to this, but ah dean, phillips ain't, ted Kennedy. You know, like I've, I've thought about this a lot cause. I don't

want it to appear that we think, like oh, everyone get in line behind Joe Biden. It's going to be easy and he's obviously the strongest candidate and he's gonna win ababa like we're all scared right, we're pretty anxious about this, but like here's, here's the reality of the situation. Biden has had plenty of people. Tell him to step aside. You know one of his favorite columns David Ignatius in the washington post was doing it right. That will probably cut deep. He has had no shortage of people telling that besides, he has refused plenty of Democrats could have launched a primary campaign against him over the last year. They have all refused and if any of them decided to change their minds right, gavin, newsom, gretchen, whitmer joshua pair of tomorrow, they just woke up and decided they wanted to challenge Biden. They'd have four months to put together a presidential campaign, raise money, hire staff get on tv to get well known, and then somehow make an argument to anxious democrats that actually they are the best candidate to beat donald trump

instead of a sitting democratic president, who is the only person who beat him last? It is just like you can have your anxieties over the bind situation, but then you have to go to all right. What's the alternative yeah and I thank them, it requires some one with a chance of winning running against by an inner primary, and no one has decided to do that and listen the I'd see. wait. I am just as worried about some of the polling. You talked about sort of under the hood in this NBC poll and the b c one some of the concerns about age. Ah, some of the frustration about the economy, despite the fact that there's all these economic indicators that make us think that the economy is actually getting better but weren't, feeling it so there's a lot to be worried about, and but dean phillips is not on my list a and you just like. I said you really have to play it out in your head like it's it's either. You know Joe Biden on his primary stage with gavin newsome and josh shapiro and gretchen, Whittemore and Raphael

knock of whether you have up there in their old debate and fighting over the next three months for months before we get to south carolina or Biden stepped aside. Now your picturing calmly harris up on stage with new him and a shapiro and all of these same people that I just mentioned and like really think, if that's going to make you sleep easier and then also like none of these people want to do it. Someone's gotta stood up and run. You know yet I'm very much on the campus, I dunno. I I I worry, I don't think primaries are bad. I sometimes think of vigorous debate about policy and getting our message out all over the place can be a good thing. Sometimes it pulls a bunch of candidates to the far left her to the right, far right and hurts in the general election generally. I think you can deal with that and can it's all end attacking back to the middle and whatever it the fifty that the country

that's how these races end up. If there were some sort of democratic primary happening, I you know, maybe you would help. Joe Biden emerged. Stronger feed defeated them yet, however, we still are at this point where, whether or not you know pundits and donors and voters want an alternative, someone has to step up and run yeah and it'll end like if it. If someone stepped up a year ago, it would be a different story against really hard to do that. Four months out from the first primer- and your message would likely just be- I like almost everything that Biden has done substantively. I just think he's tool and the union as important message yet, but someone again, no one's gonna that we get a deal is that our boy dean, philips who weak don't. We could not recognise not sure, that's a real person, positive mercosur is brought to you by Zapruder Tommy. Did you know

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Let's talk about the impending government shut down, since our last show here's some words used to describe Kevin Mccarthy's leadership of the house. Republicans chaos. A total should show dysfunctional and can't count. Those were all quotes from different republican members of congress and here's a few more. This is not conservative republicanism. This is stupidity. It's clamshell you keep running lunatics, you're gonna, be in this position. There are one or two like congressman get who, I think, has is frankly deranged. The last one was, of course, the pioneer of government shall dance nude gingrich. The wider region gates met gets through. Kurdistan gets. get that sound re. My man gets I like that, so the weight as is using,

his criticism in a new memo they're starting to warn people about the real world consequences of a shutdown which again seems more and more likely with each passing day. How do you think Biden and the Democrats can win this fight or, at the very least, make sure that republicans get the blame that they deserve? It, I think republicans, are doing a very good job of making sure they get the flame they deserve and turn of the shutdown there's. Also the just the the other fact that Biden, mccarthy cut a spending deal around the debt ceiling and then Mccarthy's just completely violated it, and and that's the reason we're in this problem. So I I do think the way the us is doing the right things, they're, highlighting all the quotes from republicans criticizing. Look in handling in the house, highlighting programmes that would get cut or get stopped. There was a government shut down in the ways people get harm. I think the bigger

Ask for Biden, though, is less the short term shutdown debate than just like the long term harm to the economy, because if there's a you know along the way w strike, if there's a government shutdown, you've got people these people in. If they're arsonists, you know I mean maggots like they, want to shut down the government and hurt the economy to hurt Joe Biden long term to help donald trump, like that's their plan and bat. What you just said is probably the best argument for Biden and the democrats to make now explicitly, which I think they're doing the white house and a lot of democratic surrogates today are out there talking about how a seven million women and children who rely on food assistance could be turned away at a grocery store pretty soon. If the government shut down who, because they depend on food assistance, people in the military could go with Paychex there'd be a lot of air travel, delays and cancellations. There wouldn't be food inspections. Ramp disaster relief would suffer. You're talking my border security last week, trying to cut that and some of the spending bills. Kevin Mccarthy said that today, because a donald trump again,

is saying like if you don't get everything you want, they should shut it down. Kevin Mccarthy is like well, I think our military should get paid and that our border patrol agents should get paid because they wouldn't kevin so uh. You- and I were talking with this last week. But did you see? Data for progress did some polling on this, like they tested the most effective message to surrender shut down. Sure enough. This is what the white house was using, but the most effective messages or messages about how this would hurt our economy, like you just said all the things that I just mentioned, that would be real world effects on people and also saying that this kind of extremism in petty politics is exactly why people hate washington, because there's a bunch of fucking arsonists in the in the congress, like you just said, and then the least effective our arguments, how they're holding the government hostage to defund the trump prosecutions and impeached Joe Biden that people actually don't give a shit about that. That makes sense. I wouldn't give a shit about that either. If I were just trying to live my life, I also think you can tie it all back to trump

if he is the the maestro here he's like the offensive coordinator. Like true thing out, though, the next play to to the base the mccarthy at everybody's and you know, shut it down yeah they care about themselves, they care about their own political futures and they don't give a shit about you and people are going to be hurt as a result, just because they're playing games, yeah, alright, finally Joe Biden's, nice justice department is added again with yet another politicized indictment of the democratic chair of the foreign relations committee, new jersey, senator Bob Menendez has been accused of bribery and corruption, specifically abusing his power to influence arms sales to Egypt, the f b. I searched the senators home

found a hundred thousand dollars worth of gold bars and four hundred and eighty thousand dollars in cash that was stuffed in envelopes and jacket pocket. They also get text phone calls shall company payments lots of evidence in this indictment. Multiple democrats in new jersey and elsewhere have called eminent as to resign, but at a press conference monday he said he's not going anywhere. Let's listen. I recognize this will be the biggest fight a yet but, as I have stated, this whole process. I firmly believe that when all the facts are presented, not only will I be exonerated, but I soon

the new jersey's senior senator now this may seem old fashioned, but these were monies drawn from my personal savings account based on the income that I have lawfully derived over those thirty years. Tommy. Is that what you do? Do you just take money every once in a while out of your savings account, it's just cash stuffing envelopes stuff it in your jacket, pockets and then also buy some gold? Is you get some gold under your bent? The gold bars It's really amazing many googled price q. Oh god, I should say that I want to say the top full disclosure I've thought batman and, as with the terrible united states, senator for a long time this indictment before the previous have was indicted in indicted and twenty fifteen for similar thanks for using his office to help out donors and friends, but I think he's hungary so

is he escape that one yeah? And you know that frankly, that was a much harder case to prosecute. I think, as he had a pre existing relationship, this one is can be trouble for him, but you know the guy. I bend as his thinks that you know another decade or four of sanctions on cuba will change the government there. I think that's stupid. He was opposed the iran deal, so he just sort of hawkish and I think he's bad on policy. but that just want to get that other Wang get off my chest. But yeah I mean the he is in big trouble here. It seems I highly recommend folks read the phone diamond read the indictment or, if you don't want to read the surname page indictment near times has some great stories about it. The details are shocking: it's very blatant incidental parts, multiple parts, its mendez and and his wife and visit, and that they knew that has business in Egypt, whose was, and so was like Menendez, taking all these actions and pressure on all these people as part of his role on the force and foreign relations committee and then just getting money, Yes, there's a couple different parts. First of all, he uses

position as u s centre and the chairman of the centre for relations committee to help push for? U S, assistance to Egypt. This is at a time and there were a lot of real serious human rights considerations. When it came to Egypt. Egypt is the second biggest recipient of military aid from the EU. after Israel. I think they get about a billion dollars a year in foreign, military financing funds and then end as could put a hold on that funding. If you wanted or help push it through, if he did not so the allegation is that he got money to push that money through. He also allegedly did favors to help business, have associated with one of the individuals who is bing and basically that guy had a monopoly on the export of hull, all meats to egypt from the? U s a he pushed Biden to nominate a? U s attorney in new jersey. The minute is felt he control to prevent some of his buddies

getting prosecuted, so there are really fuckin mobster stuff, real mob stuff, multiple strands, ah super brazen and and a lot of this seemingly was going through his girlfriend now wife, who was texting about it. She was sending a lot of that were not helpful, so outside of new jersey to get a lot of new jersey. Democrats have called on him to resign. Phil Murphy, the governor a lot of the congressional delegation, lotta like county chairs and stuff, like that outside of new jersey. We got John, and was the first senator, to call on him to resign. Sherrod brown just call them today. Why haven't more democrats? Do you think called on him to resign Should they? I'm surprised by this I mean look, you are were all deserve, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but you don't deserve to be you a senator.

I don't deserve to be the chair of the committee and again, you know Menendez. He ghost wrote a letter for the egyptians that was then sent to his colleagues are going to push for a military man has had a private meeting with some egyptian official and then one of these business man that was allegedly bribing him bought twenty two one out schoolboy does it see real numbers on them? One was then found at his house. These guys were renting cars or purchasing cars from an end is his wife, and you know, after the feds approach mendez, he wrote his wife a cheque for twenty three thousand dollars. She then wrote a check back to one of the guys who allegedly has been bribing him all this time and the memo section set personal loan, so it seems like they got him dead to rights. There's all these evidence that men and as knows he was busted in his trying to sort of clean about ass of inside guess. My question is whether there just worried that minette did.

is vindictive enough to basically screw over the whole democratic party to do something that might take away the democratic majority like I I'm not sure what they think he's threatening that would, you know, lead them to treat him with kid gloves. Here. Look I I get

that, if someone is indicted, who you serve with right that, if, if the indictment is vague right, you want you you like let the legal process you you don't want to set a rule that every indictment automatically disqualifies you right, because prosecutors can get things wrong. People can be innocent like, like you said, there's a presumption of innocence. You read this indictment. You read the stories already read what they already have as evidence. Again, you know let let the legal process go forward but like he doesn't have to be fucking, a democratic senator from new jersey, any more no Andy Kim who's. One of the democratic members of congress has already announced that he's going to run against Menendez in the primary menendez. Is up by the way in twenty twenty four, we should have that that's important context. There may be other democratic members of congress who run in that race as well. We'll see what happens. I bet it gets pretty crowded for sure and look at I guess from the Biden administration's perspective, I sort of get it because if Joe Biden standard for both,

the trump prosecution and now the prosecution of his own son is going to be like it's my justice department going to let the process play out, not going to say anything like I get that right now. Obviously, Joe Biden should not to endorse buchman, who does for real religion, but for the other senators I like come on. Now I don't get it on a bit. Slow people called on AL frightened to resign, which is based on some news stories rate identity, There is no indictment, I don't know if it's a collegiate thing, I dunno. If they're friends, I don't know if these are. You know a bunch of people who are too used to being in these jobs. It's weird, but again, you know Menendez. I did a favor for someone tried to interfere in the prosecution of one of these guys who is bribing him Menendez then called the guy from his senate office, who he just opt out, and then they had a celebratory dinner a few days later in a champagne toast, and they took photos of it like this is how bright

it was in the other element of this is you know this isn't just like bobbin and is helping out a corrupt business man in new jersey he's providing information to the government of egypt about foreign military sales in the united states, yet he passed along to his girlfriend information about the number of american him, please and locally, based egyptian employees at the. U s embassy in cairo. I dont know why you do that. That's a very it's! It's weird information to want I was wondering if it was like to get them to get so that they can lobby them direct. I don't know its lobbying them. I don't know if it's looking for people to extract intelligence from

and it's very strange if it was a shocking piece of this puzzle to me and of course all it goes without saying that the republican likely nominee has been charged with ninety one felony counts and part of our argument against him is like hey. No one is above the fucking law, and this guy's got a bunch of criminal charges. Then again, Donald trump is enjoys. The presumption of innocence as well, but down trump, should absolutely not be serving as president again and should not hold any look office again and with what I would like to see is I'd love for Dana pre. Now, who is moderate The debate on wednesday to ask these republican candidates what they think about batman, Bob Menendez yeah your visit. there are three minutes or yeah they're gonna get there. There are going to say that you have backwards bomb in india should resign, but donald trump he's he's. Ok, yeah, look what

Bananas will say is look. I was just doing what any us senator does you know you lobby for businesses in your state you help out constituents, etc, etc. But you know normally constituents, don't please your wife, a mercedes for sixty grand know that, like you do some constituent services, you get some gold bars. Think that's always what happens? It's just the guys in a privilege. it's position. He has access to a lot of information. He will no longer be chair of the senate. Foreign relations committee has already stepped down from that role, but I don't look. I don't get why some democratic primary him a long time ago. He knows defending him, who george santos, okay good, first they said he shouldn't resigning shower. I should tell you everything, even area. Ok, before we go to break quick housekeeping note this week is apparently band book weak because that's where we are, as a country

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If I am great I I am, I saw a bunch of iowa folks over the weekend, which made me think of you, because you weren't, based in either Well, but you might as well have been given the number of times the obama campaign asked you to go there to or to turn out the vote to travel around the state to talk about climate. What else a million things, as will eventually use our reach with with team iowa and then a little bit of arch policy committee work, but that that was It feels like so long ago, but also fifty years into the future. Just in terms of the wholesomeness about lack of vitriol. I now I am, I know so different,

but you know what probably the best part that I was able to come out there because of that was the lunchtime the screenwriters went on strike, so I wasn't able to shoot a tv show house, which is why I was able to campaign. Oh that's right. Well, they were gonna talk about strikes in minute or two to talk about right now, because we we booked this interview a few weeks ago, cause we're thinking it'll be important to check in on the ongoing strikes in hollywood. On Sunday night there was some good news about a potential breakthrough in negotiations between the writers guild and the studios. I have not seen all the details and not sure that a lot of folks have outside of the bargaining committee, but it sounds like the writers, god more compensation for streaming. Content awesome rule was around a baseline for the number of writers in a room, some sort of protections when it comes to artificial intelligence? That's great! In the coming days, the writers will vote on whether or not to accept that deal, but the w g, a leadership is excited about it, which is

telling us the fingers crossed there, but there is a another actually considerably larger union representing actors in tv and radio artists that is still on strike. I don't believe those negotiations have been happening recently, but I want to check in with you on that. So this is the sag after union. What are what are they hoping to get out of the strike. One of the four the demands are looking for so in some senses on them for the sculls from a member of both unions. But I've been a sack after member for two decades. I think both unions wanted things are pretty common and labour disputes. In wanting to make sure that wages for workers reflect everything from inflation to a fair reflection of profits, if the industry was particularly profitable, but then one of the one in the sort of newer four pieces is related to a high in both unions- and you know- I know you're you're listeners- poland know a lot about this, but the kind of thing that own understory you hear that

I have a lot with with decisions about about labor in general, in the the it's kind of a decision point and a point of of reflection within the industry, predominantly in television, because what you used to have was, you would have things called residuals so for writers and actors, it's it's money that you would get everytime. Something airs on tv, for example, and a lot of that structure is really archaic because it was set up. When- everything was on big speak for an upward trend, and so, if your show the nielsen reading said, twenty four million people watched it last night, the ads is your form- would spend time on your show and so essentially that's how they they could track what what was fair in terms of competition. Since almost everything is streaming now, those algorithms are proprietary, understandably right by these platforms.

but because their hiding, whose watching how much and even though I had answered or part of you know you can get hulu, for example, that there isn't a good way for for labour. That kind of track what's fairly owed to us today, that's a big point of contention that I think you're hearing a lot about, and then, as is you know, kind of the other piece of it this morning. We're texting back and forth, and you were telling me how you just You checked in on some of your old residual. Yes you're, looking up the very harold and kumar thirty christmas check, which we were, how much was that again I was I I shit you not four dollars and twenty cents, come on. How is that possible in those movies and as you know, that does actually it's a good site what fertile it seem like it, great I'll, be united, spoken tonight, let's just log onto the absent make sure,

that I that my memory was correct and I wasn't somehow making a tunnel money off of withdrawals from that that movie but that movie man, we we sign onto it in two thousand and four right. It was obviously very compared- it really want an audition process, but I've got a movie called van wilder with ride ronald. So it was the only real big thing that I dont sancho who place Harold, had heard on american pie, and a couple of things, but basically offer us the steel and there like one, take it or leave it. You know it's x amount of money. I e. What I would tell you is it: it was. A decent sort of middle class. Salary was was what that reflection, but which is wonderful when you're too starting up- and it was a three pillar- corruption, which is also very common, and so you know nobody was making tons of money and there also weren't things in the contract that are common are called box office bumps or bumps or meaning of your movie makes you twenty million dollars. You get a check for, however much you you get

so we don't have any that's them. So the movie comes out and actually tank that the box office, everybody forgets to take the initially and then did really bonkers numbers on dvd and- and I guess now streaming, but women get assure that right. We didn't get up a proportional share of that, because we would have signed. This is three picture option, and that was the fair contract them it's on a red. I knew jack load of signing. The hope there, which turned out to be true, was if you movie, does well it'll, hopefully launch your career in your your fairly compensated. but what kind of crazy? When, when I talked to friends about this, you see that account dvd? That first movie initially made fifty million dollars at around, like birds eager switches great, like no rights, not really another, that my salary flat movie lost me a couple of months after agent manager, commissions and taxes, but just to be clear, is fantastic for an actor.

You know I I just want to make clear that I'm not whining about this. That was that's the dream. The dream is to put a roof over your head, pay your rent from your acting, but I think when you are obviously in in just sent you that the four twenty screenshot, although it's it's, It's but one of the one of the real things that I think when you see an industry like this get restructured in this way. You know for the screen actors guild- an actor, you have to make twenty six thousand five hundred dollars a year minimum to qualify for your health insurance. More than eighty per cent of our union members. Don't make that money, active ma and so they're. You know they either don't have health insurance or they have to get it through other means. So when you're

when you're hearing about things, I totally understand, was celebrities and, and people like myself, are good or are kind of becoming the face of this on on tv. But the reality is the vast majority of our union. Brothers and sisters are working class folks working their hearts out for a dream that they have and they're working very very hard, and they don't often you know the difference between a four dollar and twenty cent residuals check could literally be the difference to whether they had up for their health of churchill. Now I think that such an newborn babies look, I even when I met you back into the Since I remember all this dream like work that guy's movie star, there's another one on the way there is a third with a key must be loaded. I wonder if he came out here on a private jet. You, like, I, have a one better I'm kind of that kind

we guys came out to l a, and you saw me driving my mom's car and you're like oh okay, but but like that, I think the the title of actor gets flattened right and you think of tom cruise and you think of penelope It has all the cruises and you think that every one with the title of actor is rich, but I think it's important understand that you can be wildly successful in the industry. You can be a part of a three part. Franchise they made what a quarter of a billion dollars, but a lot of the actors don't receive anything near what they deserve for that work. Yeah, that's a good point too man. I think you know the the the focus of these disputes should obviously be on the majority of of members who are or working and middle class vote. but but the point you raise is a good one like if, if you made somebody that kind of money, there's, nothing wrong with wanting rigour fairly in tunnel to absolutely absolute soak up that that the eia part of these negotiations so fascinated

and complicated it's hard for me to rub my head around what the technologies new, it's also involving so quickly. But what are the general principles that you think we could say: artists, writ large mean writers, actors whomever you want to fold into this should ask for to be protected from what we know about ai, yeah. So I think that, like you said, the the writers guild hasn't released the the fine print yet cause, I think they're still mulling it over, but but my presumption is that they got some guarantees that ai wouldn't be used, meaning you know, no inputs of work that was written by human writers can go into this algorithm to spit out something that would that would make us- really, I think, from the from the acting perspective. We already have you. Do a tv show movie commercial, what special tax and you're already your face, your body, your voice has been scanned and

in some of the early netflix language there was stuff in there that allowed them to use modifications of your voice without your consent, without additional compensation, so that the fear there, which is not far fetched at all, especially if the precedent of these companies means anything, is that you don't want to participate in these scans and then find out someone's making a movie with your in likeness voice all of that stuff that they have in that they own without your say, and without any additional compensation, and it it's really not far fetched it, and you know it happens already in its it's in these it's in these contracts already, so I think, having those protections in theirs is really critical for both the actors on the road yeah. I know someone like getting. Sarah silverman, for example, is suing some of these companies and sang basically hey somebody uploaded a bunch of my books, a bunch of my jokes. They scraped my identity, essentially another pledge arising that yet

to recreate stuff in my own voice, like of, of course that doesn't seem fair No, it's not fair and also you will just be clear, like the others, a lot about blood were it not because there is a double strike but you're the executives in them. we should run these companies as as as much as I look forward to working with them again. You know they're they're, not writers, they're, not creative talent, right and so to basically underscore like you. You need that human elements, or at least you want to have that human element. Audiences, have sort of said time and again they liked. The idea of the human element remain air marburg. And if you look back to what came when tv started, people said is going to die when dvd came out, like all people aren't going to go to the theater people still love being together, they love seeing, plays they like going for those big blockbuster movies. So I think hanging onto that, culturally is something that's relevant, but really push

those companies on making sure that they that they do, the right thing is important. The other things that I think makes sense to to bring up is you have? These aren't unique challenges right now: fractures and writers, but there things that are going to affect other labour unions and other industries are already saying come up in conversations about lawyers. For example of the sea there not unionized, so that their powers is not sort of what it is, singular union. I can't believe that andrea was the only do talk about you, be I a couple years ago, but the idea that the technology has changed, that quickly in the people's jobs are at risk A very real way is like look we're going to have to start talking about what that means down the line, because not all of these professions have unions that are strong enough and concentrated enough. So it begs the larger question of what kind of world we want to live in. Yet an important point is parties negotiating generally measure you can put in near term language tactics, mitigate some of their risk from ay I

But I think what you hear from people in these negative side people What we are friends of mine who are writers friend to her show runners, is that a lot of people believe that you know it's impossible to stop technological progress. Dad. You know these new tools will get incorporated into the writing process. The a creation process in some way and that you know fighting? It is, to some extent a losing battle, and the question becomes just like: how much can you mitigate that risk yet. There was an old or new york times, article from nature of when the registrar started out about a high, and it mentioned in there in other unions generally have not been successful in fighting logical changes. So, if what we assume is in the writers guild contract is in fact in there, it's obviously a huge win for for writers and talent, but also arguably, a huge win for for any working professional whose job is impacted by any technological change and that that's kind of the

generational questions to ask ourselves. I also would I would argue that asked for fair regulation. Compensation and a framework doesn't mean that your against the technology right there are. There are obviously uses for all of these technologies. That can benefit. Human kind, just the idea that it's a zero sum game to me as very silly and and the backwards where you go back to the question of like what does it mean for the sake of humanity that we actually put checks and balances on these things? I I don't think it's impossible. I think it's impossible. If you have a bunch of sixty three zero running the senate. You don't understand how do you know how the sixty three life is? Not the other young people yadda. I don't know, but you know, in the in in the house, for example, don buyers doing a masters in a I, so we need more. I like that we're willing to kind of go in and and and study up on stuff. Yes, more, intellectually curious, although I'm look, I I I don't

I dont think people are good at making predictions. I've been reading a YA walter eyes. You on must book which his hagiography in a lot of ways but you're reading about how one of the mistakes he made a tesla is a automated as many things they could in there in their assembly line, built it and then realize- Is that a lot of the automation they had created ex? As you slowing things down, the people were faster and better at it more cost efficiency, they d automated, ripped out a bunch of machines and thrown out of stock and hire people. You know you know, I think I even guys like you, wanna, get the stuff wrong, so cow, you know, in addition to to be an actor and writer. You worked in politics for a long time and, as we were saying at the top, you've done a ton of work reaching out to young voters trying to get them fired up to care to realize. You know that this matters when you're talking to say kinda thirty year olds about things that are on their minds, what they want to see in a leader? What are you hearing these days? I'm hearing, but I'm old, unlike the whole guy,

there. The receiver I can't remember who it was, but there is a there. A college student at one of the guest lectures I did who's like you on the walk back to the car whenever he was hey. You know I noticed you were saying you were saying you know my generation needs to have a lot more patience like yeah. You know we live in a vibrant democracy. There are checks and balances. The shift doesn't happen as quickly ascending, like a nasty tweet, which obviously feels very good but doesn't necessarily accomplish anything. So just think, like you know your generation its understand analogue loaded. And he goes so just curiosity like so I get it right. You grew up in an analog world, you're young enough to know that digital stuff works. I grew up in this pulls out. His phone is like this is my whole real right, like ever since I was born. I could get all the information I wanted immediately on my phone. And it's always gonna be like that. So why am I the one who should have patience instead of the other way round? Ok, fine, fine, fine, I feel

right, I feel all right, but I think to answer questions question me that, like that in too, action. That kind of made me. Feel like you're, the system should adapt monster? Obviously, stove register government fibre democracy like we. We need to hang onto that, but the idea that change should happen a lot quicker. Is something that I find myself talking about a lot, especially with something like so, for example, the the irate version reduction. I tell you this. insane insane climate stuff in there that we would have killed for in the obama. And I remember having one climate meetings and young people who would protest outside the gates, it has. While we were having fucking meetings on climate because they just wanted to push the president that much harder to do that, much more and in its of what twelve years later after some of those meetings and now they're getting it in their getting more than what they had asked for in the irony,

provided, but those people who were eighteen of the time or no longer consider part of youthful block great, the kids, who are younger or for obvious reasons, not feeling any sense of reward for work that they're putting in to climate? So this idea that, like you, know a lot of the stuff, we realise it works because we're we're feeling good about the work that we then in seeing the results of that work, and my worry is that you ve got this bold climate action and people aren't celebrating the way they should like that. This stuff really is happening because of all the interviewed the president when I was guest hosting the daily show a couple months ago, and I asked him that question. You know what led to all this aggressive climate stuff and he said it's young people in his two decades of youth advocacy on climate that created the political space for him to act on that, and so I just think, like you know, I I get that we live in sort of a cynical world but to to not focus on the things that we've won.

Such a mistake, and I think it looks the other side when milan yeah me climates third, one, because I think that the younger you are the more of the stake you have in the future of the plane. Personally I mean look, I now about ten months daughter, so I feel an enormous its responsibility to her, but also the things that have happened. and, as you note in the ira are monumental, but the implementation of that law is taking some time probably longer than we all want, and the impact is really about mitigating the effects of climate change rather than stopping and reversing it yet so I so. I both I, I hear you and that people should be proud of how much their work and blood, sweat and tears and fighting for climate policy have moved the needle, but also, I guess, if people are frustrated about the lack of additional progress means that the number one thing you're hearing, though, when you're talking to to young voters, but what they want out of a president or what they want to see Biden. Do I mean, I think, look at what I think:

hearing the same thing that everybody else is sharing which is like. I think people think generally it maybe on an audience like yours, the president's doing a good job. They wish he would do more, which is pretty standard for for a left, leaning bloc. I think the stuff that that I'm hearing that they care a lot about, understandably, is you know how were our trees, migrants, a lot of that is on the state level in places like or even city level place like new york city, where I live, but I think they're they're, hoping that there's a little more federal action on things like that climate one job. I want a lot of its the same stuff that keeps coming up jobs, cost of education. You know those are those all things it, but I'm still here so it none of it is from the like on wash my hands and I will say the part that a little harder to push back on and I'll bring this back to the striped, as this has come up so much especially with young writer

and younger actors. People have taken notice of the fact that most of these studio, heads and people who have forced the labour unions into a strike are big democratic donors themselves right. These are people who love to use social media to talk about equity, but when it comes to action, paying their teams and their artists and their labor, they want to do it. They went and hired me that the in did you pay a higher down this woman. They molly levinson, indeed see who's. This p r powerhouse who use women's national team hired for pay equity and she don't wanna soccer them right, yeah and

It was really shocking that she and her team would then go and take a client that wanted to break labor unions, and I think a lot of young people are recognizing that even on the supposedly left, you have this hierarchy. That is more based on money and power than it is on the equity that these people supposedly talked about her tweet about and that it seems like at the root cause is just well with enough money, and great at stake will say, or do anything to keep people down you're talking about a generation that is increasingly in more debt. You know the housing market right now at least isn't isn't perfect. Salome have a lot of people living at home, not that there's anything wrong with that, but the idea that it's less of a choice to live at home to save money and more of a necessity. So I think that thing. It does worry me. It's not the word somehow,

I reached that oh look at these republicans doing the shit like. Of course, you expect that. But the idea that people in your own party are doing it is something that that is really unsettling. I think to me into July the people I talked to yet I'm sure that by trying to take this massive step to wipe away student debt blocked by the courts- and I think you know that just must be unbelievably frustrating for someone who may be counted on that check as going towards rent in the future or paying down with the credit card bill or whatever else, and another piece of this that I hear about that. I worry about is kind of cultural like in the olympics, say the sixties, through fairly recently being liberal, being progressive, felt counter cultural Oh, it was anti war. You know anti establishment and I think that was that manifested in activism voting patterns, music movies, right art. Today there seem to be this strand of young conservatives were young men, mostly who feel

well put upon by progressives. They feel they worried. They talk about being canceled, they're they're really focused on that all the time or told you know feel like they're being told what they can think or say in that a trump is become counter cultural or anti establishment, despite the fact that his present aid states because he's the one kind of raging about that piece of this data well. Have you encountered that kind of? young voter at your events, are their argument see work for you, just can't reach them can make the bar stool sports cannot republicans. and I guess I just gotta, give a shallow towards do. The boston rose, loved and often come up with, so did I mean listen, criminality and re movies. Thank you. Thank you. If used by this, to be honest, like I don't know,

to me I see that I'm like. Oh, what are you aggrieved about to meet? The conversation comes up a lot with me in the realm of comedy so I'll hear from and from people. You know you just. I can't I can't make jokes and where you do you know, do you think you could make another harold income or movie today? You probably couldn't you polyglot, cancel this option, I was going to go into this career, but I can't do it. You just can't same thing used to be able to say I'm sort of like what What's the word that you wanted to say that you ve been saying that had say say the word go ahead. Then what? What are you worried about? Shame work is? Are you worried that you're that you're gonna get supposedly quote unquote cancelled?

Where are you recognising that the free market is going to take care of something that they no longer? What and I think there is a big difference they re like if, if we're pretending that the only reason that you used to be able to say and do anything he wanted and people would tolerate, it is because it was the right thing, and that was freedom. I think we're confusing that with the fact that, especially in the comedy space, my job is to make people laugh. I don't we I make jokes that I made twenty years ago that shit is boring to me. I want to continue to build on an audience in a marketplace. That's demanding us to be better and better and more dynamic, so That's always been my approach to this end. It confuses me a little bit one and once when I hear what would you sort of outlined, but then I can get it right

If, if you ve always had this immense privilege and have never felt what it feels like to have the kind of account for what equity actually is, meaning that everybody has to work really hard to get a seat at the table, nothing has promised are owed to you. I think that if it ever shift like that is happening, culture, We, you know, I'm a little empathetic to what that might be like for somebody yeah, but it is. It is weird you know. In the comedy space, it is often the most successful rich with the famous comedians who are complaining about being cancelled out, I'm usually I you that you seem to be doing fine yet or again urge dish a balance. However? It also it's like you have made to make the junction wanna make like at all defend

their diet right of somebody to say and do whatever they want to do. But the consequence of that is that we live in twenty twenty three in the audience might be demanding more and might have loved your old shit and might not like that you're making jokes about something that they don't feel the need to live again. And through comedy cause, it's just a dumb joke to them goes back to feeling like we're getting older rates like I'm, the old man, then sometimes so I just need to a counselor yeah. Well just to stay funny. Comedian says I need to do in out thanks. So much for helping us understand, what's going on with, strikes in hollywood. Hopefully the de sag strike will be resolved soon the way and the w leader. Well. I would like this plan and a vote on it. Now. Folks, we get to go back to work. They know you're, all you to go back to work and it's been really hard on the people who have been picketing every eye and not get paid, and so police body great saga

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