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so meadows had initially agreed to testify, then backed out because Trump through Fit but were already learning a lot from the thousands of documents, text, messages and emails that meadows had already here: it over to the committee when he thought he was going to cooperate just a few examples of what were learning about before we really dig in. one. An email were meadow said that the National Guard would be present at the capital and January six to protect quote pro trump people. I want the record reflect the John was doing air quotes. Bunny quotes. You know at that time, because often when I do our courts on the pot, I did least tell people are doing your quotes. Easy ride out quote unquote for myself, that's good that integration move on. He did airport number to an email where meadows discuss getting trump to persuade legislators and states that buys twelve send their own slate of trump electors. Instead, three thousand eight hundred and thirty, eight page powerpoint

there, never tired army colonel had sent a meadows in various republican members of Congress that urge Trump to overturn the election by wearing a national emergency based on the lie that China, in Venezuela had taken control of our voting machines, real thing real thing: That's the Sydney power love be right that this any power probably has probably, on your favorite bog, like Windows, Pelion at him, Starlight So I shall stop there for your reactions, usually the top bar, but these January six investigation stories is figuring out what information is actually knew and what matters most? What are you guys think after reading all these stories about Mark meadows involvement Is there anything else? I did mention that you think people should know about how does a generally? I think

when we can all another set of Republican said. Oh just what's the word just let him let him lay a blow some scheme. Will you make it has over the course of action harder if they are MR and eating when I take away from this, is I think, sometimes we are a little bit casual with trumps fascism in part, because he seems so but the people around him while inapt are not as inept his him, and this was a more sophisticated and detailed operation than even we had known until like the past couple of days, and we should all, I think, be honest about the fact that what stop this was not how him fisted it was not the lack of sophistication. What stopped it was that they lacked power and that it wasn't just the might pence fail point, but that there are few other fail points that protected us throughout this emergency, but it wasn't because they didn't have a sophisticated and organised operation to overturn the election. That was it

It's also possible to just stumble ass backwards into a fascistic over sure like it's very well could be like we're. Just or just humoring emerges. Humor number go now we're getting closer again. Could I may well just do it? yeah, no more, like Flynn was asked. Why don't we have a coup here in the? U S like they just didn't Burma. Like. We absolutely should do that. It works however, like crazy, might fly. What's he do it turned out that sort of a centrist within this grubbing. I think what we like fertile again, each one and point out that market this isn't a target. You idiot every sets a very smart layer friend of all of us who pointed out that usually you stone Wall before you give the incriminating docks too. Congress people, but in this case, is such a good point here. He gave over the incriminating docks and then cut it is clear what he wasn't giving over Veni stonewalled.

What did are really do that that our lawyer friend, who, every day to also bring up the fact that its odd he Michael Smiley, a rich die. That's why I figured that he claimed executive prick which over information that is currently being released in his brand new book out ass. You have, but that's a book that he included in, information in two Tommy's point because he was unaware of what was or was not incriminating rating, is putting in your book that trunk at a positive tests, because he wanted to turn himself into a biological weapons to kill Joe Biden, turns out to have been more incriminating, that even MIKE Meadows understood, yeah marked more gap, but who really who care so get era Lydia I didn't deserve the right. First, read that the privilege claims that marked by the transfer here are undercut by him, quoting Trump in his book

there are other problem as it the former presidents privilege claims, are subordinate to the current president's privilege, claims and Joe Biden saying no, you don't have privileged. Also, the committee hasn't received any formal notification of invocation of privilege by Trump, so none of us actually happened, elevators. One other point that I think is sometimes loss, because it's a lot of legal nonsense and none of us as long as aware when others here but dumb, I and you don't think I don't you need to go to laws- would understand that dumb

It's not privileged if it's a fucking crime ran privilege is not an ability for you to commit crimes out of the White House like, for example, trying to overturn american democracy. So it sort of beside the point which I think is a point. Jen Saki makes it the podium a lot and I think the reporters view it as a kind of a talking point like. Why are you worried about executive privilege and a few in the future? Well, because we want we weren't do we, we don't believe in doing a coup, and maybe that is a talking point, but is actually a good response, licked it's because of the crimes, but thinking about look, what's the most alarming information in near that we ve learned. But you know there has been a lot of talk, especially on Twitter, about the infamous Powerpoint from the retired colonel, which is completely chilling states its. even more chilling to see it in a powerpoint which I can even make at this point, I would make a powerpoint, but this this this has on this now colonel, certainly highly. Dare you some of Microsoft, most fainted important work tools, productivity,

we are very simple, very clean Powerpoint. Did you gotta? Do your drive? Your online drive you sons of Bitches Johns a prestige I had more than what I'm focused on is their actual conversations with republican state legislators. To send their own sleight of electors. They had wanted to have trump call these people and the biggest threat we face in twenty four, I think, is still republican state legislatures, overturning the will of the voters and sending their own slave electors to Washington. And if there's report in Congress? There then that's that and all they have to do is say there was some kind of made up some kind of fraud, the map, a conspiracy yegg it was close, but that the legislature get together and they're all programme, people the legislature and we decided to send it send our own slave electors yeah. Let this I do think sometimes in this debate about what it takes: overturned, democracy, there's a confusion between what's needed and with good to have like Addio J. That's going to kind of stir the pot and join you in saying that elections are fraught good. Tat

thousands of fuckin hooligans standing outside the capital good to have, but you'll need those things. Workers are getting ready, they may have been counterproductive. Will again we're talkin bout all would happen, and in January six, but remember in twenty floor trumps, I can have the deal J he's not gonna have a lot at that you can have the vice presidency rate. these were talking about, are mere garlands shifting, not nothing. Bricks could have many years America, Red Buttered in Africa, but he is going to have these Republicans day. Legislators. We better fuckin hope that their democratic governance and democratic secretaries of state in place in these states yeah also look look, unlike that the people who died like Bob Mahler, was gonna, walk out of the interval office and lock trumped up after his report was issued, political document, with its really just about telling a story, what happens I would love to your mark meadows comment on whether Trump was watching foot

of the insurrection live in ensuring yeah. I would like to know why took him so long to put out a statement condemning the violence. I would like to know what Mark meadows was saying when used reported, the in constant contact with the Sector defences office in why it took so long to send the National Guard out also meadows was clearly communicating on his weight as email address. can I e mail as wide as found on his personal phone number The problem, that is, I always did you bring it up, because it is a very old energy saving butter emails are pointing the way that we will, as it already funny that they're, like the committee said it had come. chins about why meadows used a personal cellphone signal into personal gmail account yet know that it's done The list on one area that is in place of deer point Johnny went when he was briefed on plan to get Republican, say legislators to send alternate electors. Meadow said he loves idea in court, have a team on it. What You're welcome. Willard Marilla was a Giuliani in the game, but abandoned. Tell me: did you read this thing that

Were. Impact has been in an Matt Gates for talking about raising an army of four thousand shock troops. To take on fifty at ivory. Did I read a thing Steve. You are you're, probably artists into, but why are you so? What it that's pretty alarmingly and tell us that when you heard it was it was the contacts will depriving many kinds of Isn t it, because it's unfair, they requires new ones. I'm trying to get books yet shot. Yes, yes, they're gonna do shock. Troops are not not as bad as it somewhat. I think they're talking about here's, what Steve banning is doing this over smartly really well. They are used, that show to motivate their audience to go run for these. Like state election function. Commissions are running for school boys. They are, they are motivating in activating the base to run for office to get in these positions have pieces of. So we need some shock troops, democracy there. We go. That's what I'm yet her irregular democracy heard what he said speaking

speaking of your pal white, we need white helmets for democracy still see Criminal condemn trial is scheduled for July eighteen, which is pretty far away, raises questions about the efficiency and effectiveness of the other Ethics committee. What, if any lessons do you think Democrats can learn here from both the Mueller and impeachment investigations? It is this about this committee about the search for a smoking gun, or is it just about laying out all the evidence make sure the public knows the full truth. Great question, John. I take one lesson from the Mueller investigation. Is that Mueller go fucking worked by bar by triumph by the process, just absolutely buffeted by events, one thing to take away from that experience, that four page bar memo totally worked within those sham so get good. Now we are probably not let bar put out a memo about what the committee finds. That would be a mistake. Why does what you like? If we're working up to just a committee report, I feel, like you know, we're probably gonna, be

This is not gonna end in with Chinese I'm Kinsey, Gunnar and Adam shift like you go into Marilla, go in for a fuckin cuffs on Donald Trump? Since, yet that's not gonna happen here. I think that I think that yes, I think that this is a an important document that will help us understand what actually happened. We are learning a lot because his committee exists, the competition having now is because this committee exists, but it will not fundamentally change the politics and our country right now, and we do not need more evidence to prove that the Republicans have become an anti democratic party. So any hope we have for a message or making this important and, amid terms there's no more information coming to help us do that. I think, unfortunately, the timeline is pretty standard then, and wants to push its October. The government wanted it neighbour, so they gonna met the middle, like the justice system is a slow shit who is low without concern about contemptuous. The yacht mean that I'd dear point, I think the outcome is gonna, be political. Political document is about getting more evidence on the right.

Heard in front of voters, I think the big weakness of the Mahler probable that there were many starting with Mahler running it probably, but you Know- was letting trope answer questions in writing and not doing anything about him dangling these pardons in front of people so that they would remain silent and he can't do that here, but I think we should have are we to understand this mindset on January six in the days of led up to it and what coordination was going on with these outside forces in kind of work from there. I think what you and I think, to the extent possible we to treat all the evidence and everything we here during this. These committee hearings, as is put it to the future. This is about vigour. The guy that we're talking about is the front runner for the republican nomination and twenty before and what this committee hopefully will it where there's gonna lay out here, is that he has left a trail of documents and evidence that is a how to for the next.

So what is it like? Somebody don't hang out with his like: let's see something Friday in your legs, like a cap a couple weeks, a couple with increasing and into the future shearing over his reach or cells, yeah, that's what this is about. The and that's the fuckin Powerpoint is like it's scary, that that was floating around a couple years ago, but it's also. This is what they're going to do next time fringe is central quickly in the Trump orbit they are going to use. This is a document to to learn rhino. Should we should do yeah it is. We are still stuck her where we ve ban, which is, I think, we have all been previously radicalized by this problem, the challenge of an of the authoritarian turn their bubblegum party. This is more evidence to prove it. There is a set of steps we need to take to protect ourselves

and the problem is, we do not have a majority in Congress to take those steps, and that is going to be true indefinitely. Also be part of this conversation is, you know, like you said, but preventing the next crew, and part of that is a big part of that is the Midterms Dan wrote a message box over the weekend about whether Democrat should focus the parties, twenty twenty two message on the republican threat to democracy. What you guys think cannot work. What what does it look like when it sound like? So I think one of the challenges here is, if you ask people Dan pointed out, if you ask people de believe democracies under attack, fifty six percent say yes, american democracy is under attack their December since eight being tested, but then you dig into those numbers, and what do you find people who approve Biden? Only forty two percent say that but spy

seventy one percent of people who disapprove of buttons had a Republican. Seventy five percent Democrats, forty six percent independence, fifty percent- and if you blow your eyes, you see that same thing over race over gender. Over education, which tells me that a lot of this are Republicans who believe the big lie and believe bide and being him our is our democracy being her attack Russia, and so I worry so the question is: what do we do? We have one year we have to make. Not we don't just have to make a case for why people should care about this issue. We have to make a case for this issue we have explained to people at this issue is real and should be sailing and central to their vote at a lot to do in a year I do think that look. I think the focus so far and I understand it- many ways has been on a lot of these voting restrictions on

standing in line and having water and food. While you standing like that, that's what got the most headlines and obviously those restrictions are, you know of odious right, but there hasn't been enough focus on elections version and not just elections, version two thousand and twenty but Alexa elections version in twenty twenty four, and I think that has to be central to whatever democratic message. There is about the threat to democracy and I do think it's been central to the message up until this point I, like disdain guy, I think he's going places needs market, but I am I right. You know, I think it makes a good point that you want to run on a big message: Scrubby big, it's gotta be inspiring motivating. I am caught in the part like he is where you ass voters or vote to say to you: ok, what you gonna do about it and we have very little to point to that's hard. What I'm wondering is if there could be, maybe in Congress

or some sort of bipartisan path to create a bill that much more narrow and tailored it is just about elections subversion. I don't know what that looks like exactly. I am almost certain that that does not include the stuff we wanted it to prevent voter suppression and other anti democratic policies that we all hate. Three while talked about that are all very important all of us, but we have to find a way to prevent radicalized state legislatures in places like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and even named the swings dates from just overturning the results of elections and just sending a different set of electors than the people voted for for sure, and I think you know we were waiting. We talked with a couple of hours ago, but I think the bipartisan commission here maybe one result of this- that their heading towards is to reform the electoral counteract it. So they take care from the federal level in Congress. They try to do reforms to prevent this from happening,

Maybe you get more by parson support for that. Certainly you start with. Like was training cleansing or being on board, see we can get in the Senate? It's like you, said, Tommy, just narrow, it's not about the other voting rights stuff at all, and then, if someone came to me that what we do, but the alternate slate of electors thing, I would say, make sure the tony in Gretchen, Whittemore and Tom, Wolf or reelected end makes her Stacy Abrams wins order and whoever we nominate Narras owner forever. That's that that is the best way to prevent elections version in twenty four hours. Those is the twenty two elections for secretaries of state governors in the swing states. Yet this is not a politically smart thing to say in terms of how you would message what we need to do in twenty twenty has not very inspiring is not very helpful. The most important thing or a Democrat can do, is not be or Publican and have his power and like we Democrats to be empowered to prevent them from using their parents? One thing I said before: I still believe if these people no longer believe in democratic institutions

following the letter of the law of believing in the results of elections they dont when it doesn't matter what we write down before they take power. If they're in power, they will do what they want. People eat, no radical. These republican say legislators are in Wisconsin they're, trying to the RON Johnson. The senator from Wisconsin Barbicane is is urging the GNP legislature and the state to take full control of fair elections, so they want to get rid of a bipartisan Wisconsin elections. Commission that Republicans created five years ago, their thrown out there. projects and then there's a truck, loving sheriff in Racine County, the fifth largest county in Wisconsin Sky and Chris Rich mailing he's recommending felony charges against five state election commissioners, because the commissioners at the height of the pandemic, told the the abortive elections, not descend, train pull workers into nursing homes, because anyone

kill senior citizens and say that's how radical these people are its loony tunes? Look. I I I am as guilty of this is any one, but when we talk about the threat Mina, we talk about protecting democracy in subversion. We use these, like blue words that I think are served as a terror to a lot of people like these people. These republican elected officials dont want to respect the will of the voters. If you let them take power, they will not give you a chance to vote them out of power. That's what this is about. It is about you, you'd think you have a voice. Now you can you get to control your government, you gotta have a say and who gets elected you put these people and Are you no longer get that say and that's it and I think that's right, and I think the question is what is the context you put that in and I think sometimes what we need needed? I wonder if the way to square the circle between this being probably the biggest threat we face a cunt

and the fact that, right now, it is simply isn't evident in the polling that enough Democrats in independency the same way. It's that republicans aren't dangerous and radical because they oppose democracy. They oppose democracy because their dangerous and radical and it is part of a large. philosophy down a larger radical agenda that has taken hold in finding a way through that to me I I don't know the answer, but I think that's the direction. Agrippa again, I liked the standby we're getting on places. Look look. Debt is very smart guy, partly really respect and commonplace them pod note. There is no podcast or we love more on a Monday Ipod and Thursday debt. So am I opinions are Thursday. Doubted not only makes us Jerry makes with a joke about something like tromp smashing grab he's trying to do to democracy. What that gang deeds in the Nord stream at the grove of rebuilding

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and believes that a future Congress and future president will extend the programmes and Some reason asked Linsey Gram to get a score from the congressional Budget Office for how much that would cost here's. What happened When you know why I wrote a letter to Scipio goes Joe managing came to me, and he said. I think this bill is full of gimmicks, that these programmes won't go away, Linsey and a few score them for ten years. I think the bill will double. Will it didn't? Doublet was almost two and a half times, so I hope that this will be a show stop or for bill, but better thanks Joe thinks Linsey pursued. Oliver and all of your hard work. So this, the scipio. It did this score of an imaginary bill that doesn't exist and they found it adds a whole bunch of money to the deficit, because when they put the current real bill together, they only paid for the programmes that were in the bill for the years that they decided to extend those programmes to which were not ten years come on Joe. You know we don't like going to. You hang around that bad crowd spend too much time,

and the grand next thing you know you cut spending in full is it cut Anyway. I don't know what you just heard, but what's the Democrats argument? why the bill doesn't include what mention has called gimmicks. John question parliamentary inquiry. Yes said: Otto from Massachusetts shouldn't Joe mentioned no better than almost anyone that it doesn't look likely that the Democrats will be able to extend all of these programmes for a decade because odds are there and get fucking wiped out in the mid term speak. Joe is pissing away time in making us look like idiots or or Tommy I'll. Give you the most hopeful scenario that the Democrats content to hold onto the house and hold onto this.

Joe Biden as President, and then guess who has a say as to whether the programs get extended without being pay for your match, Joe Mansion, also joke mission, as it say, wicked, just raise taxes enrichment. Then that's another thing that we want to use for re use, for I know that there is a minimum as a fuckin problem, whatever there's always more fuckin, but it's not. His problem is not really has to pay for their just sometimes he's like an observer of politics, and it's like he's. Not he's no agency in his own mind yet did they gimmicks thing is is is really while to me, because I just don't under eye for the exactly the point that Europe's economy, and also in even in the event of democratic control, Joe Manchin, can stop this. So I don't understand it, stop being fucking Kooiman. Alright, you don't want you, don't just want it to be a deficit neutral. You want to b dubs in neutral without some of these ways of sun setting or having them come in later to kind of reduce the costs over ten years. Fine! Fine

you want about tell people, therefore, this meeting or maybe you have or maybe have a push hard enough he's set at a bunch of pollutants and other things like he like mumbles it porters in the hallway Lenin said about the programme just like. If, if that's the deal breaker for you great, why are we? Why is it coming out through a press statement after college of Joe Biden now we ve been doing this for months as gimmicks have been ever up a lot of Denmark you are more progressive, dont like these gimmicks. They would like some there's a real genuine debate over whether or not it should just be threes. Three programmes fully funded built, said to last and made exactly Democrats would like them verses, having more programmes that may be have sunsets or provisions that make them less generous. Fine have that but wrap it up here. Will that you Jonathan? She wrote a piece about all this where he basically said like. We did, you know, dimensions, concerns he waved them out are unreasonable, but, You set loved. A lot of Democrats have said. Ok, one of the programmes here is universal Pre, Kay

and it's not really going to be universal, because forty percent of states that are controlled by republicans are going to say fuck. No, we don't want the funds for universal Pre k because they're awful people- like they did with the medicate x ray. I wonder I vote will interact wilder and alert while the wench Odin learned my. We want Portugal that healthcare rats event. That's there. That's their stance on that. So as if, as opposed to this programme, can a sunset after four years, gonna go away after four years. And it's not gonna- go to everyone that it should go to. Why not fully fun. For ten years, the child tax

credit that seem a little bit of desire, which is about to expire at the end of this year. That could you know, reduce, put child poverty and half wanna, and then, if the one one exception to this by the way is the climate provisions are funded for ten years? That's I think one of the only provisions that are everything else is going to be, or most other programs or four years, so there it look. If the. If the results of this is the Democrats pick three or four programmes to fully fun for ten years and even if republicans take over, we have these. It really important programmes that help people better, but last for ten years than you know, maybe that's a good thing, but I dont know that. That's enough! That's that the chestnut mentions plain Ets is just so like there's never been a red like he keeps drawing the drowsy sort of soft red lines on the time, like Obama yeah the exam

rigour: China lead from behind Nanda, was invalid. Joke attached, we from bind used to say so different. Each with a different thing is rigorous into joke in its fifth at it, and when I was kind of hoping that ban would be a losing team for that game, you pleaded what a horse that it gets. Avelines, combined of our having great there's much space between Nigeria stage on the stage there. How important as it does get this thing passed by the end of it church humour on Monday, reiterated again, where you get this thing done by Christmas, guys guys hopeful her in some sense. I guess it's not important. You could easily you could pass the next year in another sense, it's hard to not feel like this thing is slowly dying,

death by a thousand Joe Manchin Percival's sooner. The better and no one's making a good case for like progressives are angry. Doesn't do enough moderate or scared cuz, that's how they roll blue state Democrats are talking about the salt deductions cuz! That's what they're focused on the country is focused on inflation. That means it doesn't feel good to let it language now sooner is better these data units, the last that they have not done meditating automatically case, were actually far too optimistic case. Gas prices are going down supply chain disruptions are lessening I'm a crowd disappear, so Mccrone never heard it. I don't even know why you're talking to you, we are really worried about winter. By burning masks known about our eyes in February, passes sucker immediately very optimistic eagerly added that the state Union, as the as yet he could muster or the state of the union is his. You know he's got a national audience and ye you know, really really sticks it took to Congress

stick it! If the union NATO made up and delivered at the other one wonders while the Amargosa behind just eight thousand lucky, he I wonder what other opportunity has to speak to the country, but speaking to the country of the state of the union. It is his last chance and twenty twenty two barring oval office addresses to really make a case for his successful agenda. Now what I like him to you- that speech to make his case for voting rights legislation and have already gotten bilbil better past. Yes, I think that would be sure Elba deal, but I understand that barring that love it that's the best way to use it. Before we move on to our special segment on the future of Roby Wade. We did want to do checking on the biggest live tour of the year, something to think about for your last minute. Holidays shopping a night with Donald Trump and Biller Riley, look upbeat! Yes, come via on Saturday night, the disgrace former president and disgrace. Former Fox news personality launch their tour where else, but Florida or the sunset nowhere

The quote: many seats remained empty and the cavernous arena end quote: the top level was closed off with taken holders up their upgraded the lower bull here, some of what these lucky magazines heard the once entered the mess with worthy tyrants, and they all say he loves tyrants. Are we now? for whatever reason I got a low rate. Will I get along with president chief I got a long gray with Kim Jong on and is good. is the better than having a nuclear war. I did I get Greg with them. I liked emulate me wrote me beautiful those Rami beer letters- I call them, love letters. What about it? We'll do? no better than having a war yeah sure on church better. That sounds like a good time now, when you want to get a ticket. Does too a nice, would Donald Trump and Bill O Reilly. She said

screaming remember that political reported trumpet o Reilly we're having our time selling tickets at this event in O Reilly, said the following to the political reporter. You put one word in there. That's not true I'll sue. Your ass off. You can quote me on that. You're just a hatchet man and that's what you are and then it was half empty even more alarming in the sunshine or port of this. From the event, when Trump suggested new libel laws would help reign in the media, or rather replied quote that's better than my solution, which is a machine gun, yeah yeah, that was in the same additional political playbook, where they suggested a comma Harris with serve uncouth for criticising her impress covers. Its of adjacent to the machine gonna go. How long do you think there is a very similar? How long do you think until Trump blames the lack of attendance fully on O Reilly and does so publicly

It is a really good ply twitter. I didn't like, however, for bill. I should have done it. You know he doesn't have the same night we and others, but not that I got fired the item and would have been maybe with unfair. Maybe remember what had happened. It happen it with NATO's unfair. They say it was unfair. Some people say it wasn't here. I don't know what you know. I gotta falafel and aloof confused google about one. If you don't know here is a new theory Riley's a big one, Christmas sky, so he just not on the road to can gather up the troops together for one last run at the king. Do we think that we read anything into the into the small crowd size, or is this just fund to talk about? Of with the? I think it I think it's early, it's it's it's a! U know trumpet terms. This is gonna run for president again using their film. You just formally on every horizontal age. The reason he had overturned democracy is nice, not a nationally popular figure.

He has a very good you overturned minority at odor. As you know, you don't do it because you got part you're popular he's, not popular. That is his big problem. So so, after you get your tickets to love, it's show in San Francisco gave you take us to the to the array we in an armchair. Would you want better? My understanding is that there are hundreds of tickets still available. Not for me while I am assuming that love it sold out love, it's all talking about bill arising from turn with the main event and the internet I'm surprised here, as you are, agent methods and wandered out there what pod save america- is brought to you by zip recruiter as the holidays approach. The still the jobs to fill like holiday, lighting, installer, advanced snow maker or no beard Santa a clean shaven man who wears a synthetic beard ho ho ho. I heard that

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our people on the front lines of this fight to find out. Ticklish. Look! I'm really there there's no question railways hanging on by by a thread right now we ve seen over the last year alone. Six hundred new restrictions introduced did state legislatures, ninety of them ass. A ban in the act and now you know, in addition to Mississippi, we have a very problematic. That decided to lie in Texas, Sb. Eight, that's electors, Mcgill Johnson prison and of Plan Parenthood Action Fund she's, one of several people I spoke to this year about the fragile status of abortion rights under the most right wing Supreme Court in our lifetimes How did we get to this point? Is this story all about the right prioritizing the judiciary?

or is there more to the story about the right prioritizing power building, in a sense the impact of the twenty Twond elections on Happened not just to our Congress, but also to state legislative houses across the country. Republicans have been trying to cripple row ever since it passed almost fifty years ago, but twenty thousand was a watershed moment. Republicans one fifty four state legislative chambers around the country and men state lawmakers passed a bunch of restrictions on abortion providers and abortion access in also read rule electoral maps so that they can more easily stay in power. The chariot

during that ensued, has never essentially been a power grab that is allowed. I a very small local minority who opposes access to abortion, who also oppose access to you, don't voting rights to trans care and other things to hold these levers of power, and I think it's really important understands eighty Americans believe that role should be the land. The reality that I see on the round when I hear from people who are seeking abortions. Is that their confused about which laws are in effect and which ones are not remain briefly? Sherman is an abortion activist and the founder of we tested by an organization focused on elevating the voices of people who have abortions, and that was the goal of the anti western movement. To begin with, They have said time and time again that their goal, is to make abortion unthinkable so getting to that point where they ve created this labyrinth.

Confusing maze of restrictions where people don't even think that they can get an abortion, so they just trying to figure out what else do we Do the law was initially quite clear and nineteen. Seventy three right after Roby Wade was passed, but a few years later, Congress passed a law called the Height amendment which that people who are on Medicaid aren't actually able to use their health insurance to pay for an abortion with the exception of some very narrow situations, right we have actually just seen cracks in access ever since the cracks really

way last year, when Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, died and was replaced with Amy Coney Barrett moving the court's conservative majority very far to the right. The state of Mississippi then filed a challenge to Roby Wit. Opening arguments in that case were heard earlier this month and we likely won't get a verdict until June. But if the justices side with Mississippi and refuse to protect federal abortion rights will first looked a congress and then to state houses across the country to keep abortion legal at state level and that's unlikely to happen. Given republican control of so many state houses and divided Congress again Alexis Miguel Johnson from plan parenthood. It means that twenty five million women will be living in roughly twenty six states, where they won't have access to an abortion provider. It means there have to get in cars, planes, trains unrevealed, because

You know, it's not gonna happen. Is people not seeking access, but could happen is that people will be travelling stream. Lengths to to get access to safe abortion going out of state could be really difficult. A lot of people oh deal Shelly runs the Brigitte Alliance, which was started out of the need to help people travel long distances to seek reproductive care. So anything the bench alliance was founded through the recognition travel is and is now becoming one of the largest barriers to access and specifically to abortion access. We have today I believe helped people travel from about forty two different states and I think an average of a thousand miles article. And are mostly folks who are working to make ends meet Our young people there, people who live in rural communities, they are,

black their indigenous and they are people of color, their parents of one or more children. They range and age from anywhere from eleven years old to forty nine years old, from the time that we connect with a client the time that they're supposed to travel and leave their home, many different things can occur. Their funding for their procedure may not come through there s court James their minor, decide not to travel with them. Their parent or a friend who said they were can provide. Childcare may change their mind. A winter storm may come through making it impossible.

the drive and especially because the brakes aren't working well and their car and some states require patients to make multiple visits over several days before they can get care. It was lake ridiculous to me that I had to jump through like three. Is of whose and stress and misinformation for a procedure that took like ten ten to fifteen minutes. Stephanie Gomes lives in Texas, which are some of the strictest antiabortion laws on the books. She abortion. Several years ago I was within an hour and a half of the clinic, as opposed to other people in taxes that I don't have a clinic within five hundred miles of them. Once I got to the clinic, there is still a couple of it: yours like I did not know that I was going to have to make multiple trips to the clinic.

Which, through another rang genetic as I have just skip school again and figure out how my mom is not going to find that out to figure out transportation again, Stephanie says it was ultimately a choice that put her on the road. I definitely wouldn t where I am now like. I wouldn't have been able to get like mental help help. I would not have been able to that relationship be like working when dream job, and I wouldn't you know I think I wouldn't be like who I'm right now, I dont think that I have this sense of self and you know I talk about the first summit an abortion, was really the first time that I stood out to these systems try to tell me who I should be re Lake back then, as a young lad. Next woman and you know still people try to tell me how I should feel about my position and that, like only should it be a lot about it, you should be so happy and I make no. It was a moment. Empowerment, and it was a moment of me saying, like you know, I don't have a cost,

what fuck Ali all what you John? It was the first time that I, like stuff Gomes, made a decision for step Gomes. What Mississippi Stephanie Swarm State of Texas has also sought to test the Supreme Court. The legislature passed a law over the summer called Sb Eight, which banned abortions after six weeks that often before people know their pregnant. The law also incentivize private citizens to turn in people who seek out an abortion, creating a bounty system with a ten thousand dollar reward patients. I just know in there just shut down that's Amy Hagstrom Miller, her team at whole. Women's health clinics in Texas was helping patients up until eleven. Fifty six p m. August thirty, first minutes before SB eight went into effect. She seen first hand how SB it has affected both patients and staff alike, even though they heard about ass the news and they learned about it for my website and the human and get on the phone, and they hear about it. When I check in the time they actually get the news.

That they might be to find the pregnancy for abortion in taxes on their devastating it's almost like are experiencing. It was like their sentence to be forced to continue pregnancy. Expiate went into effect on September, first, forcing people to scramble before the deadline Katy covert, told us about their experience, trying to get an abortion in time. Like literally days before SB went into a fact. I found out that I was pregnant already knew. Like all the connection, access more fully booked up until September first and I did like the mouth and I definitely was like on that cost. like five to six weeks. So definitely time was like really of the essence, and I knew that like if I had to wait like past September first to get an appointment, I probably wouldn't have

the need to take and innovation and stay and I'd have to travel on us where Katy, also volunteers, with an abortion fund in Texas, so they ve been pretty familiar with abortion restrictions for a while now still Katy says that SB eight feels inconceivable They constant stand, what battles that we're having to face an it's like stand by our colleague, everybody in Texas, right certain resilient, but like we should have to be resilient The should literally should not be happening, and I never thought in my lifetime I would see, or have to deal at orally with Ed something like best Amy civil law has also what threats and intimidation against her staff. The opposition likes that people are confused likes the people are scared, is sort of praying that environment you know of threats of lawsuits or actual lawsuits in order to really

bringing the care environment and the service community to stop. You know we ve gone through this process of like who's gonna backs up Amy Hagstrom Miller actually has experienced defending abortion rights at the Supreme Court after her clinics, one the whole women's health forces, Heller's dead case and twenty sixteen, but things are different today than they were back them. This Mississippi case is not going in practice in court, then the whole Mattel case, women from it Sixteen our court is completely different than it was then, and that was very much by design by the former president and I think the national attention, I hope, is really putting this court under a microscope, vice president? Come a Harris invited me to the White House after Texas pass their six? We ban is my standing at the first time in twenty five years that an abortion provider has been invited to the White House, but I do think it simple.

For us to remember that the majority of people are represented by this principle quarter and there's three bodies: a government, the executive branch in the congressional ramps for a reason- and we can't get really from the courts when you to look at Congress. So we need to look at the executive branch, and so I am encouraged by by her make announced in it. I asked Alexis Miguel Johnson what the white can and should do about it. I think that the political rights is one of the main leavers that White House Housing and so too, to see the administration, speak more clearly about the need to cut. If I wrote to speak more clearly and explicitly about the impact of not having worked access, who it will impact knows large, it gonna be by

communities, low income communities in the south in the midwest I'm into how to normalize raid. The experience one in four women will have an abortion are like time. Some democratic politicians and strategies and in certain states in communities have traditionally seen abortion rights is a politically challenging issue. You mentioned sort of where the public is on this, that it is there's no state where there's not a majority of citizens who support abortion access. What's the most effective messaging for Democrats and more conservative states into who do want to stand up for abortion rights, but maybe a little skittish look first. The first thing I do is actually quaint them, see you at the impact of but stay that way. since March, any twenty. Sixteen on the twenty eighteen mid term elections where he got the first groceries Majority House ever like the energy of support that came there? We saw we take place frightened centre in Kentucky number. and twenty nineteen. We also

to voters overseeing houses and governors in those races. Precisely because we were having probe active conversations around White legislators shouldn't be making this decision for women right that we actually, if you trust women, to make his sudden, you trust them to actually control their bodies that that actually is also, wage and I look at twenty twenty and I talk about Senator Peter spread Gary Peters in Michigan, who was knocking them, if not hiding in his raised before he told his family's abortion, storing layer term abortion story and the number of supporters that he reached after doing that, the donations that came in because people really conducted to the new now the personal, the political there's, nothing more beautiful and when someone says I had an abortion and that for Listening gives them or says I had an abortion to again, Renee Bracy firm backing Shan allows people to real

is how commented is and get the support that they need, and it's just beautiful and magical. and so I hope that anyone listening has had an abortion and wants to show their story like talk about a talk about it with your loved ones. You'd be surprised to hear how many stories you receive back would usually you told me about the power of talking about abortion and how it can lead to meaningful chain. You can also talk about us, please If you listen to this path cast, GO share it with five other people invite. in tiered dinner table conversation believe me, I am like somehow my friends I mean invite me to dinner party, as I am that person who comes in- and I talk about this end and their grateful for to that end, we have expanded our dialogue. So I ask that folks talk about share. This am, and if you have fears about this are discomfort around.

Abortion around abortion later in pregnancy, talk about that too, and these conversations will help you will help all of us as we stared on the biggest threat. Ever too rosy Wade activists like Renee, an ordeal are preparing for the future of limited abortion access, Should the Supreme Court decides that got abortion access? I hope that Everyone will know the phone number to their local abortion fund. I hope that every you will know the phone number and look up the reproach legal defence and housed over it. Our friend said if, when how? Because the thing is that it's not just people have abortions, it's gonna be people who may be experienced pregnancy complications have miscarriages to any. One of us can be caught up in the criminalization of pregnancy in the criminalization of abortion? How are we going to those when then

number of people who need our support explodes. I am hopeful that rigid alliance and our partners are gonna get the support that we need that donations that we need to continue to provide our care and to grow or services because I really believe in the strength of this community and how much we and holding already, but I would be remiss and not stating that this community has been holdings. much for so long and largely by unpaid volunteers, and I hope that bridge and others are able to continue to get that support. So we can continue to be here so this service, this community that we operate within can work. It can, at least for now I'll fill the gap that exists here between someone and their right to an abortion, whatever the Supreme Court rules,

Rigid alliance will still be here to help our clients You can find abortion funds and organizations at W W w dot abortion funds, dot, org special thanks to Renee Bracy Sherman, Alexis, Mcgill Johnson Stephanie, Gomes Amy, Hagstrom Miller, Katy, vile Kova, an ordeal shall eat for sitting down with us and to fly visa costs. Olivia Martinez, Andrew Chadwick, who created this audio story I think everyone we'll talk to on Thursday have a good one. Pod save America is a cricket media production. The executive producer is Martinez, our senior producer, Andy gardener Bernstein are producer, is highly. He's in Bolivia. Martinez is our associate producer, its mixed and edited by Andrew Chadwick Kyle settlement. Is our sound engineer thanks The tiniest terminator Sandy Gerard housekeeper.

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