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Only twenty four republican front runner, who, according to a new, wash and impose story this week, had been hiding highly classified information about a foreign governments, nuclear weapons, pro graham, in mar a lago as well as documents so secret that only the president and a few cabinet members could authorize other government officials to know about them. Naturally, trump is doing what any good strategist or lawyer would tell a candidate to do who is under criminal investigation for stealing nuclear secret he's making it part of his stumps beach. Let's take a lesson: the fbi and the justice department that become vicious monsters. It was just my home. That was rated last month. It was the hopes dreams of every citizen who I've been fighting for since the moment I came down the golden escalator. The moral mar reg was a desperate effort

You distract from Joe Biden record of misery and failure. You know this week, Joe Biden, game to philadelphia, pennsylvania, I had to give the most vicious hateful and divisive speaks ever delivered by an american president. Buying seventy five million citizens as threats to democracy and as enemies. Estate, you're, all enemies of the state he's an enemy of the state. You want to know that for the fbi I didn't just read, calm down. They raided your hopes and dreams. I love that part is terrible. Speechwriter are lots to unpack there. Let's start with judge, I ween cannons decision to stop. Investing

station until especial master can look through all the documents they found in marilla, go and separate the the nuclear secrets trump stole from his his old porn stash. What what wouldn't bucks Are they gonna do well? What are you of the ruling. What happens now? Well, As we have stipulated every episode since we got really deep into trumps crimes of last month. Yours I we are now amateur lawyers. Now we are not liars right, we buy. Do you follow a lot of wires on twitter yeah, so I feel like I can speak with some authority on this matter. Let me tell you they are outraged that, in some of your favorites twitter lawyers think this ruling is bullshit including new attorney general of resistance station gulbarga he its absurd. He called it a crock, a shit bill, bark all that a crack, a shit, this ruling, that's what you need

no reused zero bill. Barr get your bobblehead doll, get your votive candle with bill maher on it. we're gonna mother da we're gonna crisper ray we're gonna, be required. All begin eric hersman doll. Eddie have been this. You don't we I even have to be a lawyer or even follow top wires on twitter to understand why this ruling is idiocy, because one of the main, though you have a huge debate about whether executive privilege, which is that he's in for the special master this rather than go through these documents to see which might be subjected privilege? Now it's stipulating that executive privilege is no reply to former presidents. It's really doesn't apply to it's moving within the executive branch, which is where the fbi and the court of justice is What might there's like a factual, a massive, factual error, this willing, where it says that president Biden did not and because of the sitting president makes traditions unacceptable because they are the executive, not the fucking yahoo, when the beach house ah

whether he had not waited on whether executive privilege could be claimed here, but he did in the letter from the archivist that why that trumps team foolishly really released last month, and so with this- is just a bunch of idiocy The impact of this is everyone has heard of written. Is this will the way, but not necessarily derail the investigation. But the delay does matter because if it kicks it down the curve for a long time, to be put in a position where the context in which a potential indictment could be announced is an image of a presidential which he should not be more complicated. There is no special provision, in the law that says, if you're running for president, you can't go to jail for crimes you committed, but, as we know, everything is political and that will add some of the complications of such an announcement. If that were to happen, our our boy, Billy Barr, has said he's he's like pretty certain. This would be. Over

turn, because, like that, the two does know how crazy the executive, the executive privilege ruling is here. The ruling about of executive privilege that there is some dispute over, like whether former presidents can ever have a claim of executive privilege, but the ruling of that state. The supreme court ruling that's based on, took place before the presidential records act was passed into law. The presidential records act makes very very clear what you just said, which is that the current president gets to decide what documents are privileged or not, not the former president. So now, if you get a special master, first of all, you have to have to find a special master. You have to have both sides. Agree on candidates to be this person. The person has to be classified at the highest level in order to even see some of these documents, and then this person has to make some determination about which documents are privilege in which are

even though the law does not spell that out at all, because the law says that nothing's privileged because Joe Biden gets to make the privilege make the decision on privilege. So it's like preposterous, so the the the government, the d o j, has and hasn't as an option. They either go down this route, trying to find a special master with all those qualifications. Who can do that, which seems very very difficult, but they, I guess they have to this friday- both sides to come up with a list of special potential special master candidates, a grin or the d o J appeals. This ruling to the eleventh circuit and now the issue there is the eleventh circuit has eleven judges Sir trump appointed judges in five five or not, but people like you, like even you, know very conservative people- a bill bar think that, even though there are other trump judges on this on the Sullivan circuit court, there's no way they would uphold. This will say there's an interesting story in the new york times a day about the dilemma the justice department has yeah, which is, I think, they believe on the merits. They would win this and win it easily, but there are two challenges

soon if your wine Further delays, especial master right issue and there The concern that you could just get a run of trump judges running up to the trumps Supreme court, which can create an entire absurd new expansion of executive power to include former presidents, and so there is. There is a potential challenge to their so that they might be really have, even if they're gonna percent right on the merits? There are times and larger issues beyond trump after russia, with as it make this decision, but it seems

Figure on it, they're going to have to appeal, because even if they don't want to criminally charged trump, the national intelligence assessment of the damage and the fallout from trump having these secrets can't even continue. The judge said it's technically can continue, but in all reality like you, can't do a fair assessment of this. If, like the d o J and the f b, I can't be involved in looking at the documents and help with the investigation into what damage has been done from trump holding these documents, like it's, not there's, there's they're trying to build a fake wall between the intelligence officials and the justice department officials and saying that the intelligence officials can keep going with the investigation, but the justice, dept I can't, but in reality that doesn't work so like if they want to do this assessment, which they have to for national security reasons they're going to have to appeal. This is so. The whole thing is so stupid Then the fact out, Jim s place is so damn it has nothing to do with heed the point: is there not his doctor

No one has ever suggested that, MR president, there has documents he took up, he wasn't supposed to. He lied about it. He affected the investigation. because Mitch Mcconnell ran through some fuckin yahoo to sit at the corner, moral logo or indisposition work it is once again using the tyranny the political minority to avoid criminal prosecution. Good argument for fighting pretty hard to keep the senate, because, even even if democrats lose the house, if we keep the senate, Joe Biden can keep nominating and confirming judges. So we don't have more fuckin trumped judges who do yahoo rulings like this anyway, so you heard trumpet the rally he said that this right, It was a distraction from Joe Biden's failures and called law enforcement officers, vicious monsters who didn't just raid his home again, but rated. The hopes and dreams of every citizen he's been fighting for. You think that defense works with anyone who's a not a die hard trump supporter.

Do I find it ironic that the blue lives matter? Crowd are the ones where accusing federal law enforcement agency thing enemies in the state were planning evidence on a former president and our apparatchiks in Joe Biden, political army yeah. I find that Iraq until I think this is We particularly persuasive for the plurality of americans, who think donald trump is dangerous and unfit for office now, but it is an argument with political power because modern conservatism, particularly donald trump amp version of it depends. on the propagation of a kind rich world apocalyptic victimization right. free ones coming after us, which, because what that does is it creates permission- structure to do anything and everything suppressed it's still elections seas. what's up apparatus political violence, and so this is like.

This is only worth being a jerk. He is trying to create a sense of grievance and victimization might have among his base to get them to turn out. I don't think it's moving any wind from the trump camp to the Drunk gamble than from camp to the trunk gap by donald trump It has really understood from the beginning that his political power is tied to just how fired up his, this is because a minority of Republicans and if their fired up in their hands, Then every other republican has to demonstrate, and so the like this that this will. This message will protect him with in the party and ass, the first steps protecting him more bra, Yea doesn't enlarge the base, but it further radicalized as the base, which is quite dangerous. At this point. It's just ridiculous, though, like I realized that that's the that's the demagogue, authoritarian move that it's that it's not they're not coming after me, they're coming after you, you know, but it's just so funny. It's like yeah people, think it's a raid on their beach house is who, a month

I haven't left intel on chinese nuclear submarines, lang around on alone, chair back in that can happen at him. It can have an anyone I mean it is just sort of wild. If you just sort of think about you backup, which is the f b, I raided the home of the former president he is under multiple come investigations in fact, between when you and I spoke this morning and the recording of this progress, another criminal investigation dropped he's the. How is now a vital, richer investigating his super pack for fraud. fundraising scams whatever else, and yet at that moment every republican on the back, I ran to stand next to him in pennsylvania. that's insane like if you like, except in this moment of yours, like try to explain this, ten years ago were ten years from now be like what the fuck is happening. Puts it is, was brought by helix? How will you

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I read that this is a euphemism for the century, calling the theft of classified documents being started, unlocked desk drawer, a document This issue will be like calling bank robbery in overly aggressive financially. Action. Like wales and funds spread that bit me, It also. I don't even want to get into the butter emails of it all, but, like Hillary Clinton turned out, didn't have any classified email after offer at draw after the determination that maybe it was sloppy and this than the surrogate no class very mother, sky has fuckin nuclear secrets. It is beach house. buck unreal. I dont like about the broader mid term context here: net clip we

earlier. We also heard from talk about Biden speech in philadelphia where he accused the president a vilified millions of citizens as enemies of the state. Here's a clip from Biden speech, Donald trump and the magyar republicans represent. extremism that threat the very foundations of our republic, Now I want to be very clear right, clear up front, not every public and not even the majority. Republicans are magyar republicans, not public and embraces extreme ideology. I know has been able to work with these mainstream republicans, but there is no question that the republic party today is dominated driven and intimidated by doubt drop on the magyar republicans and that threat to this country are right. There was an interminable amount of debate about this,

each that I'd rather not rehash for our poor listeners. I've I felt grateful. We didn't, have a pod built europe into peak so we didn't have to talk about the fresh takes on this speech. But like let's just let's, let's go to this question, what do you think the white house strategy was with this speech primetime speech, big speech? He goes to philadelphia. but why do you think they did it? There has been over the course of the last six or some months, the sort of debate among democratic operatives pundit. Campaign, folks about what the farm message should be about. Should it be about what democratic delivered, what have we die? Should it be about kitchen table issues? Should it be about january six or something else, By giving this speech, which is to a all to make this election or referendum on republican extremism.

The white and Joe Biden. The one I sent a message to every Democrat recommended frankly, every report covering these campaigns, what they should be about, They see these central issue here to be the extremism of magda republicans and it is, like this is like what the white house can do to help enforce some sort of message. Cohesion among the party is to give a big speech. Then primetime get a lot of attention, and I hope that everyone follows, and so I think, that's what the government was to lay their cards now for what they I think the best messages for insult me see there's a new navigator pull out today, which in there's an awesome anew, writers. Paul bitch both show the power of this extremism argument, and willingness of a majority of voters to believe that reforms are dangerous extremists. Yet right,

poll. Today's taken after in the days after Biden's speech and it's interesting, fifty eight percent in the polls say that trump's make america great again. Movement is threatening america's democratic foundations. That includes twenty five percent of republicans. Some of you probably think, and only twenty five percent and it's pretty good. Ah sixty percent of republicans don't think trump's maga movement represents the majority of the party, which I thought was interesting, but then fifty nine percent said Biden speech will further divide the country, though half said that they didn't watch or follow the speech at all, which I think those numbers those sort of conflicting see. We conflicting numbers kind of say at all, but what do you think I'd speech should be the basis for the democratic meant message I do. I think we have an overwhelming political

frankly, moral obligation to turn all of our fire power on focusing on the dangers of this republican party and its not just dangers to democracy and extremism, and these vague ways it is abortion. It is attacking. Marriage, equality, attacking tradespeople, book bands, privatizing social security, overturning elections, all of it. I think that We have talked a lot about how the the dogs decision has sort of catalyze democratic movement as know we've seen the stories about people getting fired up and all, and we weren't sure what we thought would happen in kansas and in the new york special election with that ryan here: last week, but ultimately, why the I think the dogs decision did. Is it crystallise the impact of republic extremism and if you can convince- and I think what is important to us is that we use is that abortion is an apple,

the central issue in this race, but it is eight, it is a gateway issue into a broader conversation, republican extremism, because if you can convince someone that earns even done It's been informed voters that he's republicans have these incredibly extreme positions on abortion that they want when a ban it and keeps his case of rape and incest and life of the mother that they're going to so attacking ivy s in all of these their things. What have you people understand that they are more likely to believe in. This is correctly believe that these same republicans well overthrow elections. They wall attack marriage equality. They wore eliminates of security, we'll do all of these things- and so I believe that that that I mean we talked a little bit last week, but there was a very, very dangerous strain in this country right now and we have to call them. Out in there is no political downside in debate and as a whole, have lotta put up cited in it yeah This, no interesting we're we're off scripts. Do you think cause I've thought about this?

think that anyone who watch that speech who who was an already voting for democrats, would be convinced to vote for democrats based on that speech. I think that we that is a over. Maybe I don't. The speech is this right now, the many people watched the speech. There are only amount of people are who consumers this feature consuming it in the conversation around it most of our target. Voters will consume yet another the speech nor the conversation, and so when it's the tale effects of the message is why the view his campaign, said John fetterman here we're going to talk to you in a little bit put in their messaging in their paid messages. That is what the it's like no there are no undecided voters watching wide primetime speeches other than in moments of extreme national crisis. Right, though, that like at that, I think that's the wrong. We began it also that is it it's an overly narrow view of politics, be like hey

I'm sorry, I'm definitely loading and I'm trying to decide between voting for doktor eyes or john fishermen. What roses should play the other question of look at what is that speech in that, and that brought our message due to turn out more people who voted for Joe Biden and twenty twenty? Who would otherwise sit out these midterms out of complacency or lack of political engage like that? That is how to I think more than persuading a slight narrow swath of another. Those voters aren't gonna matter, but we really just have to keep people in our camp more than take people who voted for trump and move them to our camp in order to hold the house and keep aside yeah so that I clearly agree with. I also agree that the with the general strategy of making the twenty twenty two midterms a referendum on republican extremism, I think that's correct. I think that the headlines out of that speech, because the media is annoying but also predictable, is, like you know by

draw a line in the sand? It's it's. You know, Biden, vs, maga, and you know the hairs dark Brandon and all that bullshit. I would in a democratic message if I was wearing a democratic campaign, I do think I would try to separate. We talked about this before the speech sort of separate maga from republicans writ large. I think that's useful, but you heard Biden try to do that in the end. He did do that in the clip that we played. He specifically said. Not all republicans are mag republicans. I think it would help to be more specific and talk about maga politicians so that it's clear you're not trying to talk about voters or guess what voters might do. Are there a whole bunch of people in this country who are part of the maga movement, some of them storm the fucking capital on january sixth, yeah? Absolutely. But if you're a politician you're running in one of these races and you are trying to get voters to choose

between a you and a maga politician. You want to focus all of your attacks possible on the politician themselves and to the extent that you're talking about republican extremism or mega extremism, you want to be, I think, as specific as possible about how that extremism is going to affect your life. And you were just saying that rights we have to be explicit about the abortion bans explicit about the feather there. want to overturn elections, explicit about the fact that they're going to privatize social security. So all the things all the freedoms that they're going to take away all the policies that they're going to put into place all the vote that they've taken in the past. You have to be extremely specific about what they are for people and get that message out, and I'm just saying this because, like having having talked to all these voters for the for the wilderness like I was struck by so these were all Biden, voters right, but they have made up their mind.

These are not people who voted for donald trump and twenty twenty. This is part of our coalition and there was not a lot of love for the republican party from these people and a lot of them thought that the republicans are pretty exe. Cream. There was a lot of discuss with politics, a lot of disappointment about politics and a lot of a feeling about Democrats in general, though it's funny because whereabouts to fetterman and they are in pence in pittsburgh, they all loved fetterman, but what the people were making up their minds, not just about whether beaufort Democrat verses report, but whether to vote at all wanted to know what are democrats going to do for me, what is it that republican the republican candidate is going to do that that that republican candidate stands for that is so bad. I don't really pay much attention to the news, I do feel I politics is very divisive and everyone's yelling at each other in their public and seemed kind of crazy. But, like I don't know, why do I need to go vote at all? And so it is I'm not saying that the white house could have solved chaffinch in one speech that you write. Most of the voters probably did

watch. But I wonder, as we move forward and his democratic candidates, craft thrown message just like house, pacific. They have to be in like here's, the politician, here's the bad things they're going to do to you and here's what I'm going to do instead. So two points on us: yag agree with the general thrust here. I I think, even if by said exactly what you wanted him to say. Like a super specifically repeated that distinction a hundred times, the press coverage would look. Ninety five percent, the same agree, republican sort of have said. Ninety five percent, the same thing but the two points here are wine, like your others may vary on whether you want a light independence hall, blood red. In speech live by? What is true and important is controversy and conflict, or with dr conversation in this media age. most of by the speeches are other controversial nor contain a lot of conflict

for they have driven very little conversation here. We are one week later talking about a Biden speech. delivered? I yes wasn't framheim. It was on the thursday before labour day, the anyway hey. There and so he achieved. Something is that he is dominating the conversation. and that always comes with downside because of urine accommodation are two sides of it: northern people, cooperative, the sex the thing is not to get back on my usual bullshit here, but is this it just like it? The one millionth argument for why democrats or at such a dissident, then they rely on Traditional political media, get the message out because, of course, You're gonna have reporters feel a need to just both either out of it, you have one of these. Cable networks, you arrogant, live and middle of an identity crisis where they're trying to appeal to billionaire fox. Stealing board members other new company and its we need to be stupid and that an we added had network. You know the didn

Vibration comcast deciding whether to show the speech to their audiences. It's a word hands of this corporate media. That's his republicans also about that challenge with them. They have this other apparatus together message out and it is like the chair and for the white house you're going forward is, are they taking the core of that message in finding ways to get it in front of air viewers in ways that don't depend on cnn right and so that, That is always what is hard about this and lay. I know they just its everything remote. Just it's all confirmation by us with every avenue story right on that issue by stood like this was, I think, a pretty vivid example of one when you know he the present goes out gives a speech not eight excellent. the threat to our democracy, and then you have people having optics arguments about the use of marine guards. I hold her lighter just so I am I'm all set with that. But I'm saying for us- and this is the point you're making two are agreeing here- is that, like we as messengers, have to remember not to be lazy about the message

and just a short handed as like. Oh yeah, obviously, republicans abandoned crazy and extreme like and, if I Joe Biden, you know like you do an event where we can talk about how seniors are going to pay less for prescription drugs for the first, because medicare is going to negotiate, are going to be able to negotiate directly with goat with the drug companies for the first time. Meanwhile, a blake mask in a bunch republican, can it's one privatized, social security and medicare completely right? There's a choice, You go to one of the states where some of the worst abortion bans are taking place, and you highlight those bans you highlighted aids were behind those bands. You know like. I think you have to do, and I am sure that why does it can do this and other democratic and to do this? But because we live in this,

this media environment, which is both noisy and both sides. E. U really gotta be specific about the examples of the extremism and who the bad guys are here, which are the mega politicians and donald trump himself, and so I think that that just takes a lot more work in this media environment is the only issue. As you know, one very pedantic coin is this despite bashing spelled out, make amerika great again republicans do not do that Democrats say mega right. Do not repeat your opponents chosen we like, but why referring to MR white, his taste great less feeling, but I do not do that right. Just and again and again it's it's tellin. Voters, tone voters who may have voted for trump and sixty and then came over to Biden right or voters who voted for the first time around the fence like these mega politicians? They don't fucking care about you

again, there is there is no one who has more contempt for their own voters than donald trump and his maggie politician allies. They don't care for them. They don't help them. Don't pass anything to improve their lives, they do not like them, and I think you have to try to separate those voters from the politicians who claim to represent them, but constantly screw them over just like the right they screw over the rest of the country. Some are when we come back. We will talk to the letter. governor pennsylvania, john federal mail, a word from our sponsor better help when you're faced with challenges in life, it could be tough to train your brain to stay in power, solving mode, but when you learn how to find your on solutions that there's no better feeling I dont know John. I preferred spiral out and make everything worse mode, especially late at night? I think that's why? What's that for for that's, unlike more funding, just talking to a therapist. Whatever

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his arm going when my wife I'm driving everywhere, so that the truth is that Nine hundred ninety nine out of a thousand people would have now idea that I just had a stroke and because I'm living a perfectly normal life and you have got right out of your being. Her is since dwayne, acting in a way that I dont believe, any doctor, should be where they're kind of trying to mark and make fun of somebody that just you had a stroke in also, I think, that's a very, very risky bet, a hearing its albania because I go around and I asked people to get a goose had a major health check in our lives or they have friends and loved ones that have one most of the un's I'm not coming up and unlike you don't have a doctor in your life. king it and making fun of of yours patient, but I do I have a doctor in my life doing this and happens to be sound.

Weirdo celebrity yeah yeah. No one wants that kind of doctrine there you said yesterday that you're looking forward to debating doctor as his campaign response, this morning in said, you're lying. You won't say where, and when do you want to settle this here, it's just the money. We have always said from the beginning that were we're. Gonna have a debate. the matter of working out through some of the technical issues, is what you, because that's the truth and we ve been very transparent about that. The entire and the entire time times. I may not diagnosed something because I have some auditory processing and that's the truth, and when I am able to make sure I know exactly which heard or what we were talking about. What's through thrilled to be able to talk about, these issues, and I really think I like issues he has, but I don't think he wants to talk about two. so you know we're gonna. Have a debate revolves acknowledge that always and you're after impact.

The melt down after the crudity gate kind of thing he's been shrilling about. You know, the great debate, even though that we all know that we're going to have a debate in. That's that's really the truth. Do you think it's fair you'll have something of a home field advantage, because the debate will take place in having your exact I going to say, is that there is a guy that has ten homes we're matter home ever in pennsylvania and now is just really commuter he's a computer, and it is a computer. You know and like I'd love, to see what his e pz you know are his records, because I'm sure he's not spending a whole lot of time at his real house here in pennsylvania. It's actually not under it's under construction, but

The truth is the truth. Is there is that doctor oz has a really he's, got a tough, a tough challenge right now too, and that is to bring mega man into the into the fold, because you everywhere I go across and pennsylvania, I run into to a lot of republicans that come up to say, I do not say hey, you know like them, again, I'm gonna both for you, though, because you know that you're on he's a fraud or ease ease a weirdo from here. He doesn't understand my life and one say thank you, but it's! It's is really the truth and there's two things here: there's supporters and then there's voters here and I ever genuinely emerges. Trashing talking trash not run into anyone. They come up to me and says you know what doktor, as is the best

Kennedy, I've ever met my life I'll dream to vote for him. You know I haven't everywhere the people that are going to vote for him or doing at these because they have an hour after his name yet either. Not anyone really believes that he's the kind of person to to direct represent link. So I have to ask what was your reaction when you first saw the crudity video first one I was like hey dude, you know there is no place called wingers, you know, and and and the next thing was like what the hell's a crudity and then like a stroke, a stroke joke. I was like I didn't hear that a child and- and I I had somebody I was like you know- what's that word in- and someone on the steps that it's called a crude attack and they texted it, and I was like

Nine I googled it and I like, and I just left and unlike well. No, you learn. Everything in every election in crudity is one of them and what's really funny to is that I tell people it's a joke. I tell people sometimes after the stroke. I will most your words together. There really don't exist, and I said doctor, as did the same thing is like he, you heard of wagons any she's in a red renders so he holding pensioners and the resulting does the same thing. You know the rs campaign has been pretty transparent. That they're going to try to get mojo back by going hard negative on you, particularly on crime. They are you for hiring to people who were wrongly convicted of murder, truck it's been there republicans clinical trump issue for the last couple of election cycles. How do you plan on fighting back now? I know the

we fight back from it is really the the our record on unkind, here as as mare for four four times here in pennsylvania, library braddock. I stopped I stopped gun violence and debts for five and a half years, the time and that has never been accomplished before or since then after I became lieutenant governor. That was done by partnering with the police an partnering with the community and we developed the very successful. and I'm actually proud of it. You know and that's something, doktor eyes and his duty loafers has any idea of what crime is. When you talk about some of his associates, sir or those kind of people there's a guy. That is probable. Pro pardoning. The insurrectionists injured from January six. But here the guy. Now that is bashing us for giving pardons for people that have some stupid. We charge is as well

and they are trying to scare mongering underlying. I mean that's really all they have and the two people, Dennis wharton to people that roundly roundly believe that he is innocent in these poor man lost almost three decades there decades of there, I've heard something that there have not done and as I I made making sure they're getting out was one of the most important things have ever done in my career and we got them out, and I went to hire them, because their story is important because that's really the truth about second chances and that's the talk about our criminal justice system too, and now with those two men, the warden, the wording said they men have no being here. You know I hope they live next to me, I'm going to take them out to dinner entry.

Then after they get out, they said they are. The two finest men in the entire deal see right now and Everyone unanimously agree that and in doktor eyes chose to kind of fortune, they turn a work in the hortons and not I I I it was never I admit that I absolutely understood now ago that that that was gonna, be weapon eyes then, and of course, doktor ass. You have chosen to do that any. Of course, I think he's gonna blow o back on that as well, Earlier this year, DR oz ran a digital ad against you with a bong. You have made a legalization of marijuana, a central part of your orbit yeah. That's the thing critics trying to play me as like a If you have a colleague or that I'm just a stoner and of course I I don't use marijuana and and but but you should be,

you do it legally. Adults should be able to do it as adults and that's a freedom thing is well too, and if south dakota, if south Dakota kin bulk democratic to say? Yes, let's do it, then you know really. How controversial really is that for anybody in The real estate in the country is: is this on board with it and Can I ran on that because I know it to be the truth, and I run on for a lot of different issues, one to stop people having their lives ruined by a charge, I'm also talking about the revenue yeah I'd rather haven't it come to pennsylvania treasury, then the cartels, I would want to make sure that its now a pure product, too, Instead of god knows what we know where it is and where it comes from dutch oz recently caught on a might calling abortion murder is now trying to say that he does want to criminalize all abortions. What what should the watch it? Voters about doktor ass. His position here

Voters need to understand that a doctor. I doesn't know what he really thinks that a doctor eyes has changed a different position. everywhere he is, and what the truth is that her eyes were voted down and he is believed that the choice for women belong with him, not not women pennsylvania indignation is well too, and I have been higher career standing way. In fighting for abortion right, it's a basic interbedded, very guess, simple choice as well. To the doktor eyes will fight to make sure at its ending- and I am going to spend my career fighting to make sure that it is there because it It was already a settled issue for over fifty years and absolutely bizarre to me that that. And is willing to say one thing, depending on what but he has used in front of

Well, don't realize that all he does is why and how can you believe, truly true? In about saying this, to be a part is how do you believe in think out of any person that was linked to sell magic diet pills on tv, so much tat. He was fine I million dollars having to pay as a result in is a settlement to you know that that's that I make the joke about it. Gets there. The rough joey zuzu nowhere like hiding spot is a lie, and it's like it's the line. Yeah. How do we know? Dr oz is lying about anything it's like well he's talking to so I recently sat. With the area of focus group of Biden, voters in pittsburgh and their disgusted with politics. They don't follow closely. They don't if they're gonna vote november, they seem to like you seem to not love doktor oz, but they are still not sure they were gonna vote like how do you reach voters like that, and what do you say in this in this home stretch.

I am just going to try to reach out to them. By just being who I am and running on what I really believe in and running on the right side. Of all these issues, too. And I ve always. You want people to understand that we understand the kind of life that you have I or stand when pennsylvania really is about, and I've spent my career working here, a community, especially when the product that is is facing some of the most severe chant challenges in any community. Has your conservation first, if you genuinely believe to having ended the that it has ten gigantic mentions indifferent counties all over you really not one in pennsylvania that doesn't stand for anything has made a career of lying on television. I just believe it self evident, Did you have somebody that is unfit to ban the senate? That's really that's really a choice. There,

From afar, your campaign- feels very different than the typical democratic campaign to feels more fine, more aggressive, more bold, how's that working. Wouldn't you know, how are you making that happiness up? Is that the right assessment of your campaign? Well I believe that were running on the right side of the truth, to evidence that annual arguing things like the minimum wage or the union way of life or health care, especially my person situation really per That makes it easy, but we also want to be fine too, because often doktor eyes gives us the gift. I believe your to provide us with ample nightglow material to work with two and we ve never run like an apple kind of of campaign. It's just like pointing out the doktor doktor eyes lives in a gigantic mansion.

Any jersey that he lives in it. Wasn't me saying that that was P. People magazine the heather come on end and I phil him. You'd be a film him under her watching him going or grocery store and talking about prudently and wenders. He actually. Their team slept at dawn was like you know why that arise, that that's good. There was no one out material and we work we ve, never random nastier be kind of campaigns, europe. We only talk about the truth and I know if you ever wondered what was doctor oz's position on incest. You know I didn't I didn't make up lies about that. It's like oh wait. It turns out there is. There is an interview him pointing out that in says: ok, ok, hump the brakes,

on the first cousins, but everything else I can't make it up but pointing out who he is and what is recorded is is not me and it's not mine clearance you'd be assigned. I fear monitoring the way he has chosen to attack me or even very, very personally, about my health. A trade is talking about who you really is about. Finally, and least importantly, the nfl season- starts tonight as I Stan it you're a huge dealers, then haven't you major tapir wherein eagles mask social questions. How are you feeling, the steelers, but also in order to win. If I do my electoral math correctly, you need a lot of eagles voters to turn fears. Are you get some sort of peace? Offering? Are you going to square the circle there now I have always I've. Always I've always run on the true here in pennsylvania, one it is better than while I

I also know that the steelers is the best thing. You know, and I I think voters really understand the true to sell and that's it. That's the truth here there. Whether these are very important issue. Here is less than pennsylvania. They know the steelers that doctor it doesn't even understand any of em. I can't even imagine what you had come down on other than saying, I sure hope, the the team wings, whatever you doesn't, have any idea? What you're talking about I'm sure he roots for the seagulls we're not a single god or what, but that that's that's the truth and when when you think about pennsylvania, you think about you know. I mean Friday night flights now that is actually sacred hearing in Pennsylvania. I don't think a single person in open and the bleachers watching in our house.

All preponderant in and pennsylvania is thinking about. I really think doctor I really can relate to the kind of life and things are the beat me and that's the kind of campaign. we're gonna, get you to run for the next. Sixty days is talking about the truth and king, about running on our record, especially like crime, especially where he built You didn't happen eyes why my record and lie about that, but I feel really good enough. The kind of campaign we're going to continue to run, or that is good to hear It was good to have you here. Thank you so much for the time we appreciate it. John fetterman take care, I appreciate all of you. Thank you, big big fans and thank you for the work that you all due to end the label will see a more again and thanks for having me pod save america is a crooked media production. The executive produce is Michael Martinez. Our senior producer is Andy gardener Bernstein

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