Dan and Tommy talk about the new tone that President Trump is not adopting now that daily White House coronavirus briefings have resumed, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez calling out a culture of misogyny after a Republican accosted her on the steps of the Capitol, the latest on the negotiations over pandemic relief in Congress, and the new plan Joe Biden has proposed to help caregivers and parents.
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This week, as is pulling number sank further into the proverbial political toilet, president Tromp research,
And his daily krona virus briefings which he suspended in the spring,
after suggesting that american string bleached protect themselves before we get to the briefings trumpeted interview.
Fox NEWS, where he had a few things to say about that mental acuity test he so probably taken. Let's take a lesson if you're in
The office of the presidency, we have to be sure
So they were saying all these different things whose going all over whichever stuck none of it stuck fortunately, but one of the reasons it didn't is that I took a test. I said
The doktor was Doktor Ronnie Jackson, I said, is there's some kind of a test and acuity too,
and he said
actually is, and he named it whatever it might be.
And was thirty or thirty. Five questions. The first questions are very easy,
Questions are much more difficult.
Like a memory question, it's like you
person, woman man,
so that I could you repeat,
so I said yeah such person
and camera tv. Ok, that's very good,
if you get it in order, you get extra points of view.
Now you just. Can you other questions adequate
Minister fifteen twenty minutes later mother,
this question not the first put. The tenth question gives us that
Can you do that again? You go person,
woman, man, camera tv.
If you get it in order, you get extra points
said nobody gets in an ordered sexually, not that easy. But for me it was easy and
that's not an easy question. Other words they ask. Do they give you five names and you have to repeat- and that's ok
if you repeat em out of order. It's ok, but, but you know who that is
but then when you go back about twenty twenty five minutes later, and they should go back to that. What did I tell you this go back to that question.
Repeat him can you do it and you go person, woman, man, camera tv? They say, that's amazing. How did you do that?
I do? Of course I have like a good memory, because some cod
his army. So after listening the Donald Trump explained this test. Are you ready to finally admit did he is the very stable genius he claims to be? He is lucky was right along we're on the this moment, kind of caps
AIDS. I think everything about tromp, that is terrifying, hilarious and demoralising all at once right. He is,
physically bragging about passing the NFL concussion test,
had ever getting on the field, and he somehow thinks that sound
like a sea and say, is the way to make an argument that Joe Biden is in cognitive decline right and so
for all of us, like it is self evident that he's a blithering idiot, but somehow for
Percent of the country is gonna love it, because Fox NEWS trots out the
Karel de Rivera of TV doctors to tell us he's a genius it like.
It just one of those moments where his stupidity is laid bare for the world to see and half of the country still won't edit it. It makes you apoplectic that this man is in charge, but whatever here we are
I feel like his pride in
asking this test was underlined by the fact that he cannot remember the name of the test circuits
We need so lighter any like you're right. It does like it's a.
Window into just down trumps,
and which is. He is clearly incredibly proud of clinical passing this test yards behind
the only testes ever passed and he is unable to
that acknowledge or accept the idea that this
the Mensa entrance examined. This is not the application.
Road scholarship, it is assent,
Really the test they give people to see?
If they have dementia or potentially Alzheimer's, that's what it is in that
he's bass and he treated as if it's a way to demonstrate that he has the ability to be president. Not just remember five things right in thinking that this exam is.
Worthy of being present
states, a sort of like passing a field sobriety test and thinking it qualifies you to be the number one traffic in the NFL. It's just. It is an absurd sense of how he glorifies the base
egg minimum six
in its also. I would also note that he's
he sort of explain that this was a doctor.
Many Jackson, who gave it to him and Doktor Ronnie Jackson yet left the White House years ago, two then run a hardly offensive
deeply disappointing campaign for Congress. So is it even a recent mental acuity test.
Yeah I mean he didn't get into Mensa. He basically like that that commercial, where you can get into an art school. If you draw a turtle with a pirate hat on it and it's like it it he just doesn't seem to understand it
discussing this once is a cell phone. The way you prove that you are our cognitive lay there. Is you don't talk about your your cognitive tests? He just kind of move on
the hit, the only rule of being cognitive we FED is not haven't you defend whether a kindly said, yeah yeah, I think that's right. Ok, so far from
how to briefings- and while he's no longer telling Americans to chug disinfectant here's what he did say this past week. He lied about the: U S: krona virus mortality rate, an spread. Misinformation on the ability of children to transmit
run a virus as well as offering well wishes to the women accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein in the sexual trafficking of minors, but despite that, the news
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change in tone there they're saying from the President:
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tromp is dramatically changing his tone and strategy, denying the President Prodi alone, bringing in a shift in town for a much more serious and measured tone, perhaps a bit more reserved version of of President Trump. A different tone coming from the president today for the first time presented a rather sober view. This pandemic, the president at times, was
bringing more sobering analysis, the president actually saying in a very somber way he was so low was shorter. He had a really different tone. What stands out to me here is the change in tone
well, you taught me before we get
I am sure, will be a very spirit. A discussion of the town,
I wanted to ask you about the return of the regions themselves, and what do you think this says about whether try
The change in the vice-
since he got rid of these briefings, or at least a change in its political standing, yeah so damned just one quick note. Just from my world us out there. We also learned this week. The Trump asked his ambassador to the UK to lobby british officials to get the British open at his golf course and then denied it at one of these briefing so you're we're we're just full on lies. Propaganda
Option is all happening at once, but back to the briefings itself so, like his advisors, are good. They are not good at politics
for their able to turn on a television. So they know that the corona virus NEWS is all consuming. They reported Lee show trumpet much appalling that proved that his numbers around the handling of the pandemic are catastrophically dad. I do think, that's probably why you seen some course corrections in terms of him wearing a mass
publicly like look that significant relic? Normally, he doesn't learn or or changing anyway, but
this case. I just think it would be political suicide to keep doing
you're doing, and it always speaks of attention in the White House, which is how much you have the President talk about like the news of the day and what's happening verses. What you want your message to be, I think their learning that in a pandemic you just don't have
choice. But then you, U tweeted Trump, always thinks that more trump. As the answer to the problem, when he's really the problem, I think that's a perfect encapsulation. I dont know: if resuming the briefing will help them. I think they probably have to give it a shot. I would argue for doing it, but the problem is that he is screwed up his trust on this issue so badly that two thirds of the country doesn't believe what he says. He refuses to let Fouche ie or Doktor Burke's or any that private
nor do the briefings, bees that hurts his ego. So we might have a new tone for a couple days will get to that later. I am sure, will see the same old trump and, like you know, actions will speak louder than words here. I think when it comes to what Congress in the administration actually puts forward to help, people
Yeah, you know, I think, that you raise a really important point, and by that I mean you quoted by two
but rather by the would like these like, like us, we'll get a tone, but these briefings
are statistically different than the previous readings which, as the previous briefings
included tromp, usually at the top, and then there is
This cavalcade of cabinet secretaries, relieved really heavy of strictly early on the corner court, medical experts in doktor statute books and these briefings our trump and only Trump and aims
After all that the problem politically or substances are scientifically with the previous briefings was too much expertise rates.
That is the tv
There are times you wrote a book about how tv informed, sumptuous chip, which is a great book which treats title I have to. I forgot right now:
but he wrote an article about this where he compared what's happening with these briefings to seize into the apprentice, and I had four like we have sort of convinced ourselves, because Thou Shalt became president that
Apprentice. Was this incredibly successful show over a long period of time that lead to not dropping president? That's not actually the case.
We're season was a huge success and then Trump sort of
we did all the success to himself when, on a huge media tour made himself a bigger
part of the show and the ratings cratered and the second season
and eventually it was then rebooted as the even more
Did you a celebrity apprentice where he was now getting?
dealers celebrities that too can be for jobs. Lake, I think we'll job
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the BBC, US carriers
I don't know edge by like that
sort of what he thinks, as you know, is a matter. We trump always
had more tromp is the solution to the problem and when it's probably the opposite,
If we were in the world with a normal president right, how do you think an overt let's, let's take Barack Obama's arraignment selection of
or present. But how do you think we would have handled the briefings from upper O bomber perspective? I mean, I think, about like a foreigner
right when we go abroad. When you go to a G20, when we go to a NATO summit, you have this captive audience of a press corps. You have all these experts who are there with you to staff you in the various meetings,
about discreet issues, what you do in those cases, as is you have your expert on China or the economy before you go
It should have better things to do than spending
for every single day at the podium? At some point, you need to take questions from the press. You need to give speeches, but in terms of like a White House briefing component, I would just have these experts out there every day providing factual information and trying
you like created cadence, where people felt like they trusted information from the White House again. At the same time, I would want the president doing events with first responders. I would want him visiting with doctors. I would want him welcoming into the
love. Is people who are fully recovered from cove it to show that there are served a light at the end of this
There's a million different ways. You can have an out on these issues that is in taking a grab bag of questions from the press, half of which are gonna, be about things. You don't want to talk to select tactically. Maybe it's the only thing they can do, but it still
not the best way to approach it. I dont think yeah the most strategic way of thinking about this from Trump and the like, you said there he'd, neither he nor his team are particular strategic in any way, shape or form, but is the best chance for Trumpery get reelected is to get the virus and the best way for the virus. Scanner controls for Americans to change behaviour, and so you need to put someone who was trusted by Americans to give them advice. So you
How much do this briefing with doktor faulty every single day it would probably be covered up, live on television every single day because
Agriculture has is trusted by rolling majorities of Americans. He has by partisan trust and if he was telling people to whereby ass you socially distance, you stay out of bars to not gather people's out of your household for indoors. That would have essential change behaviour and therefore trumpet sort of lie back into its often true that the best thing that Trump could do to improve its political position would be to just shut up, because he has become so polarizing and, as you point out so distrusted uncrown a virus that he has the opposite effect right. He is incapable of telling people good information clearly and when he speaks it often drives people in the wrong direction.
It takes. You know he's base which are the people that he had been weapon eyes against this and moving in the wrong direction and independent MAC, where we are only serve as strong as its weakest link. You need everyone in there, but their incapable that, like that has been always how trumpets responded. These things is just more trump
now, we spent a lot of time. Dumping on the media, and you know, as that daily Show Clip SH
a lot of them sort of files hook line and thank her for the idea that trunk,
as a new tone in his newly engaged in the crowd of virus like that is the the spin the trunk team has been given to
press that yeah sure. Maybe he had downplayed before was against masks and we know as though the wash imposed
the weekend board with the krona virus. But now,
engaged me as its new town and so forth.
I want to ask you? Why do you
thanks, so many members in the media sort of have in a fallen for this track. Org or is it a track? You know? Is it a new tone of sorts.
Mean right. Suggesting tromp had a new town at the briefing can get you murdered vehicle tweets oil tread lightly here, but, like there
is a charitable version of that description, which is basically trumped, didn't go out in due hour and a half long briefing that it was ranting and raving and included like five minute diatribes about how the military ran out of bullets until he came along relic. That was the version of this we were seeing in April. He didn't say injection bleach into your body. He said the obvious, which is that in a covert will probably get worse before it gets better, and while that is the lowest bar humanly possible, when people say like the how he's talking about
covert has changed. I think that's what they're they're talking about it was shorter was served subdued, but those descriptions are all all relative to a thirty minute snapshot in time, and I doubt it will stay that way. I think the problem for Trump is it's too little too late.
Telling everyone wear masks three to four months ago might have meaningfully slowed the spread of the virus. It might have saved a lot of lives if he had tweeted be safe care for your neighbors. You know like take care of your children instead of Liberate Michigan thy. We might have prevented this response from become
partisan. So he's he's again, like you said, like not doing the obvious easy thing which is have thought she do that briefings, but he's not as
embarrassingly terrible as he was at one point. I think that the delta between those two gets shore
ended as new tone it. Just we
in these little snapshots in day or two?
you at moments of what seems like contrition from him, but they never ever ever stick and I think that's a nice people crazy. I think if we're going
fair to me that which you know we always try to do here, repulsive bearing his, I think, for the
a majority of the media. If you ignore, you know some tweets in some brief clips on cable,
the idea that tromp has a new tone and a new level engagement is treated with a pretty heavy degree of scepticism right? It's like driving out of these stories, because people he's done this a thousand times there only so many times before going to bed.
For the fact that people still some people in the media still go to it. I think, speaks to a couple of different things. One is there is a you know it just it's the larger,
Both sides narrative that the media loves, which is you rat. You would rather be balanced and accurate in any opportunity. You have to say something: positive trump serve, helps get you you're both sides quota for the month and Sophie
We do that, and I I think second, is you know the media
the rest of us. Are you know we have family members at risk of covert. We know people who have got sick or die from Cove Edward. You know if you're in the media, your deeply worried about
Your financial situation, because of the hit the
The virus related recession has had on. You know, advertise
everything, and so I think there is sometimes a thirst for a normal president like we need him, but we actually need to succeed here as a country
and so you can sort. I see some way yearning in the media, for it I think would like is tone different and they got sort of the Ets a cheap way that the media, or does it, began its leg defaulting two objects which we know. We have a system about all the time, but I think what is different at least in,
two briefings is that he didn't take the bait right. He took these questions. Reporters ass, dumb. You know about things
other than that in the current
iris in instead of launching into a diatribe like we had a question about Chicago Mayor Lorry White, for its response to his proposal to use that our troops to invade
I'll go and he answered incredibly stupid and pretty offensive way, but not his usual stupid inoffensive way, and so he is getting credit for that.
Whether that will stand for several days. I do not now and then I think the other mistake the media makes, is sort of treating this briefing as something that happens in a vacuum, because it's not help you will consume it right like yes, there must be some such like it's hard for me to imagine, there's some on its people who watch that thirty minute briefing and they consume
no other trump content for the rest the day and as he's being praise for his new tone, a new level of engagement are conical. Turning the coroner mass or whatever he's sending out a bunch of crazy tweets this morning about Obama and bite. In wishing.
Among other things, and so mean I would see where this goes in a few days, but it doesn't like. I don't think this is the moment when Trot became president yeah
Maybe your point about this having a vacuum is, is the most important one I mean, of course, if you read a tweet that says new tone from tromp you're gonna spiral off in a rage. If you juxtaposed that with
images of random, unidentified de chest, storm troopers, beating the shit out of moms, who are
pressing in Portland, ran like your gassing, the mayor of Portland
dear gassing, the mayor of Portland and to your other point like reporters- are human beings they're doing their best. They're scared to death in this moment to actually Parker rights for the washing post, she's gonna show couple times fantastic, reporter wonderful human being treated on the twenty second, that she took a covert test last Monday and has now been ten days and she still doesn't have a result. So they are, they are living with. The consequences of this totally
bold policy response as much as we are their frustrated to everybody just trying to do their jobs in some ways your job is to reflect. Ok, if the Tuesday briefing was totally different than the Monday breathing, you have to tell people that you have to sweep it into the broader context of how badly this whole thing has been bungled. It sort of the hard part of media today, which is, if you were to read that
You know just written stories in the times in the post about that she would get the full context if you're consuming news and a three minute,
immediate reaction on CNN
Miss Embassy or Fox, whatever else orders reading a tweet you're not going to get that for contacts in its right. Where were you
surprise that he took a moment during this breathing to offer while wishes to glean Maxwell. That is look
and again, here's another moment where I can very easily understand why people would fly off into a rage about the new tone. Suggestion I mean going. Maxwell is charged with sex trafficking of children. She conspired with Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abused minor. She participated in the abuse of girls as young as fourteen.
I wish her well. You hope that she writes in a fucking prison cell and that she survived to testify against all the other people who are complicit in this right. That statement
would be a defining moment for the presidency of basically any other human being who s who has
served in that role, but for Trump it's just the latest in a string of bizarre moments that define the entire presidency
yet he may he does have his natural tendency, because, if use everything threw himself insiders report
of racism. He tend to defend them because he thinks any accusation of racism, an accusations against tromp which,
we have a self conscious own. There
Its aim thing with the Euro, which is why he's always defended whether you know it's hardly wines, dean or bill
highly or any one else anytime, someone's accused of
sexual assaults or sexual harassment or crimes. He has a like. He feels a connection to be
involving crimes and so release, why people involving crimes, and so that's why you left here it does like.
You just have to say that if you are, you know why
king on your story about the new tone and he offers while wishes that way. Maxwell. You probably should delete your story and start over the story about present
from using the White House Party into offer well wishes to claim, but such as such as the robot. Yes, yes,
were wishes to pedophile would normally be the lead of Mostar. Why? How CS that speech? There would be on the front page of a paper if Barack Obama had done that? Yes, yes, I do. You think you can attend suture,
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I tell me why we're le the topic of tone. There was a separate incident, the house this week that we should talk about on Monday for
representative, Teddy Oho accosted, represent of Alexandria, Cassio Cortez on the steps, the capital calling her discussing and crazy.
Or else he called him brood and he walked away. He was heard by a reporter calling her a quote: fucking bitch YO, HO later off.
A pretty insufficient apology where he uses wife and daughter to defend himself from charges sexism and said he couldn't apologize for us.
Passion or for loving, my god, my family in my country, a Yossi spoke about what happened in how YO ho respond on the house floor on Thursday. It's worth listening to the whole thing,
a short club, but what I do have issue where
using women are wives and daughter,
as shields and excuses for poor behaviour.
Mr Johan mentioned that he has a wife and two daughters. I'm two years younger than Mr Yo hosts youngest daughter. I am someone's daughter too.
My father, thankfully it's not alive to see,
how Mr Yo Ho treated his daughter. My mother got to see Mr Johan disrespect on the floor of this house towards me on television
and I am here because I have to show my parents that I am their daughter and that they did not raise me to accept abused
men. Tell me what you reaction to that. I mean, first of all,
yeah tell Yo Ho calling her a fucking patch in front of a reporter and then saying I cannot apologise for my passion or for loving my
it is such a disgraceful. Cynical, cowardly, pathetic excuse, for
policy- I I couldn't believe it I'm you look
this agenda is not new. It is not new in Congress. It is not new in Washington DC, massage any and not a republican problem. It is a american problem. That said, I mean that the kind of,
written in India, humanism chain that air sea and a lot of the younger members of Congress, women of color mostly have endured is is disgraceful. I mean a republican Super pack ran and add. That starts by burning a photo of Elsie s face to reveal a pile of human skulls in Cambodia. Right trumped hold this.
To go back to where they came from. I guess forgetting that their american citizens Rudy Giuliani this week, tweeted a photo there was taken.
For years before Johan Omar was born in claimed it. It was a
you referred Al Qaeda training camp before that
Susan rice was the preferred Fox NEWS target ride like this doesn't happen by accident. They are targeted because of their gender. Their race in the in the goal is to dehumanize them, and that makes people at TED Yo
I feel ok, threatening them, calling them names de legitimize, seeing them in so like Trump didn't create. This problem
but when you have a man in the oval office bragging about sexual assault, it certainly makes
all think they can get away with these kinds of comments with impunity so good for her for four calling this shit out
I highly recommend everyone watch. The full nine minute speech was powerful. I think she delivered it without any notes. I mean I've just like searing personal hope,
We, it leads to some introspection from yet how and in some of these others who like to hide behind the fact that their fathers and husbands and all this nonsense, but now treat others with such disrespect. Madame it was incredibly impressive. I mean air Sea as one of the most powerful eloquent messengers in in people and olive american life, and I thought you respond to that an incredibly powerful way and I think in your right that this is part of a larger pattern of the dehumanization of people of color in women of color. In
the killer that comes directly from the of office. Tell Yo Ho, who seems appropriately named by the way, has been horrible long before Donald Trump was in office, but you'd trunks behaviour in his rhetoric, you know set a standard for the free, not just on the part of the american people and its important for people to stand up and push back against it, and you know EO seated in as powerful as possible. I went
urge people to share the speech clips of the speech with people their network, as I think it is helpful to hear the way
how she responded to it. As so many american stay with us. A grid
Ok, so we ve known for a long time that the initial corona virus stimulus bill wouldn't be enough to get us through this crisis. That is why, back in May, the House Democrats pass the Heroes act,
three trillion our piece of legislation that extended the six hundred dollar unemployment expansion provided billions of dollars, restate local governments and wrapped up public health infrastructure, including testing since in their public. Its have done basic,
Squat Squad Mcconnell, has even argued against doing anything at all, but on Thursday morning, Republicans gotta
You turned. We finally got some movement through them
According to the Washington Post, the emerging GEO people is expected to include a fresh round of twelve hundred dollars stemming
checks, a limited extension of enhanced unemployment, insurance benefits and seven
dollars elementary and secondary schools, money for krona virus testing in tracing and, of course, every public, its provision,
legal liability protections for businesses is right. I think I would add one note you this
is that half the money for schools in the bill is conditional upon schools, physically reopening the fall, and there is no new money for states in localities. Tommy
I have to ask you,
This seem sufficient, especially given the fact that we got news this morning that weekly unemployment claims were higher than expected and went up for the first
times since the early days of the pandemic. No in
they are not fooling anyone with this bullshit I mean you can't bungle. The pandemic response
then say to workers
I know you're out of work because we can get our shit together and, as I even say, to leave your house, but we're gonna got the
climate benefits we gave you earlier and then pass a bunch of liability waivers that allow your bosses to force you to go back to work and get sick. That is not gonna fly right,
kinds of embraces false choice that we, the real
the economy or we deal with the pandemic. People understand that they are linked in their it's gonna, going to call them out on this bullshit. I think Democrat,
like I've, never seen the Democratic Party better, positioned politically, to pick a fight Republicans want to cut the enhance unemployed.
Benefit to four hundred dollars a month? Democrats should fight like hell to keep it at six hundred dollars a week and we should fight like hell to pay.
Then these liability waivers for businesses- I mean
workers, J mayors, fantastic reporter, had really important piece this week about how the Trump administration is already using
pandemic to just got worker protection, got OSHA and help out big corporate donors. We can't let that happen so my mind
Such a Democrats pick a fight right, Georgia, Senator Kelly loftier, whose best known for dumping,
billions of dollars of stock after getting a pandemic breathing is on.
Tv saying she sees no need to extend the better.
Unemployment insurance this as three,
point one million Georgians, the state she represents have filed for unemployment since March Kelly Laughter is worth eight hundred million dollars. Her private plain cost twenty five million dollars. Let's make Kelly the face of this
thing in and by the way, then the moratorium on evictions that is protecting twelve million tenants from getting kicked out of their homes, is about to expire as they are trying to get these benefits. This is it isn't saint? It is completely insane to me that they are trying to do is zero, so you know whom you make the case for Democrats should fight hard. I think there is
this question for Democrats epicures get you take on, which is they obviously have a lot of leverage and we'll talk in a second about what that leverages by.
There is a risk that if they
Push in one direction. They make a certain demands that nothing gets done. How much is that concern you? If it concerns me,
but, like a let me allow me to be Mitch Mcconnell for a minute.
I will make just like that on this point. You are not a municipal councillor, wondrous turtle and Michel Rocard Mood
I think Democrats have all the leverage I think seventy five percent of the country is opposed to cutting the extra unemployment insurance Trump owns economy. Politically he owns a pandemic response. I dont want us to do nothing, but I think doing something: half assed won't solve the problem and it will reduce people's faith in the government's ability to care. So I think I failed response. Hurts Mitch Mcconnell who's up for reelection, terrified about assigned majority slipping away. I just
Think that look brinkmanship is scary and it sucks. I just I would do it here because I think there is a middle ground solution that we might get to that will both cost a ton of money, make future action harder, but not actually help people, and I kind of think that that might be the worst possible scenario.
Mean its. It is interesting, which is this is always about for Democrats is between are
sense of responsibility to doing the right thing, because we know that we are negotiating with plutocratic nihilists who, in our to steal a phrase from Christopher, no a movie or people who just want to see the world burn like that, and that is how the Motto Republican Party is in. If you care of the world burns, you are
you enter into these negotiations. Some white and Mcconnell has exploded that in many ways over many years, the
It is interesting about this. Is that, as we talk about this back ass many times, there is a strong correlation between the strength of the economy in election day in the reelection prospects of incumbents and in this election, the republican present
you can set. It are the comments, and so it would seem.
To be in their interests.
More than any one else to juice the economy.
You know it's like you would think if they were truly thinking about doing the right thing and ever serve to get out of the right wing concerning,
his bubble. You know the Democrats we like we want twelve hundred dollar payments than
with Mcconnell should be like. You know why
if you five thousand other payments, like whatever you can to put more money in the hands of the people who need, it would actually help
republicans around this weird robber Democrats are trying to do. The right thing
in doing the right thing at least
the economic parts of these bills. We
We are helping theoretically helping potentially makes it easier for down from big Reelect image Mcconnell to hold the Senate, which, as you point out, should give us a ton of
leverage. You know you brought up the? U I expiration, which expires at the end of this month, for the expanded you I and all the timing from the irrational T leave reader suggests that there's no way this bill is getting done before
or expanded you are expires in many many many american families are just hanging on barely because of that expanded you, I
The Republicans have experts
reservations and, in some cases, outright opposition to some sort of bridge like an extension to get us between now and when this new bill comes. How important do you think that
is and why in Gaza, where they oppose such a thing-
I dont know I mean I think they cling to this false notion that has been around for decades that the Republican Party is somehow the fiscally irresponsible side of the Isle. When we have all watch them pass tax heads for their rich friends that have exploded the deficit, I mean look, I don't know,
it's a good question on the extension. I am terrified of a scenario where, a week, two weeks, three weeks, tick by and people have no money and they starting to get evicted and things are going very badly from life.
Families, but I'm I'm also very worried about a scenario where Republic in leaders cut a deal that that ends the cap on the deduction of state and look
taxes, because there is a very vocal group of mostly upper income individuals who are progressive as well lobbying for that, and then you have poultry workers who are forced to go back to work and unsafe conditions and have to pay for their own ppp enhance advertiser. An enemy is just like. I just really worried about those people and the neediest groups, who are probably not getting heard or that they know their unions have been got it over decades. They don't have lobbyists fighting for them, and so that's why I just think I want em
have to fight for a maximum of position when it comes to the expanded unemployment benefit and to ensure that were not putting low wage workers in a position where their bosses can say you have to go back to work, even though it's not safe and of people die. You can't sue me. I think you're sort of seeing a version of that playing out teachers as well, who are being in some instances, forest or or at getting. You know, gearing demands that they go back to work when nothing as
done to ensure safe working conditions- and I do think it's immoral when this is not like this is the real challenge for Democrats. We ve been through this gazillion times in the Obama you're syndrome. Negotiating with correctional publicans is like those we debate around an extension and the republican opposition to the extension is a negotiating tactic
right, which is they feel like. If you do that, it turns the clock right, yeah, don't opposition is keep it
as it is, six hundred public opposition is no extension, so they'll come back and say,
more extended for two weeks three weeks, but if, as three hundred dollar level rise levels for the different, but what the problem with that is
is it sets the new ceiling for when you negotiated in the bigger bill? I think this is a very important juncture for Democrats to push very hard,
to not allowed them Republicans and not their first win in this fight over the extension.
This one is about schools, which I think is important, which is Republicans
as you point out, have gone from this,
framing around the we know Liberate mission, Keith Economy open to their big new wedge issue is schools and opening of schools and tromp. At that briefing, there was filled with new tones and well wishes. You know talked about how their he said. Kids,
transmit disease. That is not true that actually dangerous piece of it's important that we correct, because
as we know one now, because we have is that this has only been around for a few months, but there is a large new study from South Korea that shit,
the children, younger than ten transmitter,
There is much less than adults do, but the risk is not zero
and those between the ages of ten and eighteen can spread the virus, at least as walls, adults too. So that with that says
it's very complicated and there is great risk and opening schools, because,
As you may know, there are a lot of people over the age of ten who go to school.
So there's just giving it to teachers in their bring it home to parents and grandparents. Other people go morbidity and that's another reason
another thing democratically frequently hard for which is these schools need money to prepare, but it cannot be contingent upon risking the health of your students, teachers, employees and parents just to get that money. Right I mean did. I must add that said thirty percent of teachers. The United States are over the age of fifty, which puts them at considerable risks from covered nineteen. How do we keep them safe? How do you for
someone at risk to go back to school. I'm not a parent, but I certainly understand how profoundly parents need their kids back in school, so they can go to work and they can make and make money. But it's incumbent on the government to to make those job safe. This isn't the military didn't set up, go to the fun
Marines, your teacher, like you, keep them safe and then just on this just blast point on this unemployment insurance debate. Republicans are saying publicly that they want to gut the extra unemployment benefit the six hundred dollars a week because they think his tutoring people from going back to work. But that is the whole point. We want people home. We want people, social distancing. The outbreak is worse now than it was the last time we passed a bill. Why would we increase incentives for people to reopen or or resume work in ways that are not safe, and so this is an
difficult negotiation into hard problem. Democrats you to find a way to wrestle the MIKE away from new tone trump, so that we can spell out that alternative governing strategy. These, I think, if people are able to hear the democratic side of this debate, it will make sense to them that they, they intuitively know that we have to deal with the virus and then we can get to the economic part of the problem but like what they have to be.
First, that's right. Public opinion is incredibly on the side of Democrats. Here whether involves and
Smith you why the additional spending, the funding for state, local, the funding for schools
opening school safely as all the democratic side, yeah
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Ok before we wrap up here I want to take a moment.
About the latest from our democratic nominee, Joe Biden,
Earlier this week, turbine ruled out. The third part of his four part build back better plan. This,
like involving seventy and seventy five billion dollar plan for providing helps you, caregivers and parents, just here just a few of the things. The plan calls for universal pre k for three and four year olds credits to help people afford care. For
It's in the elderly funding for the construction of new facilities in eliminating wait lists that people are
for accessing home and media care through Medicaid. He would pay for this plan.
Really back, tax breaks, real estate investors and boosting tax compliance among the very rich, this
yet another example of how Joe Biden is running as theme
progressive nominee in presidential history,
I want to get just your reaction, not just this point, particularly by two decision to offer such big progressive plans
the time in which he is leading in the polls by a large margin. I think this is
This is smart at me. Look it's it's a policy that I think would be welcomed by most Americans in a normal moment. I think it's particularly savvy and timely and a moment were where people are struggling more than usual to two finds prepare for their kids too. To find ways to care for the elderly are clearly a lot of the facilities in ways. We were doing things before we're
safe. I also think it was pretty fun that their pay for his going after real estate, investors with incomes over four hundred k and in tax compliance fur for rich tax Jesus is basically a paper
I will be paid for by trumps and commissioners raised directly targeted, so this is smart. It eating it's a good
idea. The challenge is always how'd. You get this covered and now in the two thousand a campaign Dan, what we would have done
and why is set up a round table with Brok, Obama, minds and kids and some seniors in Philadelphia to get that targeted local media market in unison, buttress it by a lot of local interview
in one eye ones after the fact. Hopefully, that model is reputable,
local scale. Vs zoom, albeit in our view, the limited campaign travel you're able to do, but I think like when you talk about what people actually want from Gov from government. It is this stuff, you know they care fancies briefing or Burton Burke's, his breathing or trumps.
No talking about hydro clocks, a clerk winner of the fucking called only remember anymore. They want to know is how is my tax dollar going to help me? Get my kid Dupree gay or how me take care of my my elderly mom, and this is a smart plan yeah
it leg it there are. Obviously democrats have talked about caregiving before people have universal prepay plants, it was in an Obama, stay the union, some pointers and children had a bill in the Senate for very long time. Hillary Clinton
about it, but has age and poor who's. The co founder executive director of the National domestic workers alliance put it. This is the first I'm a present.
Campaign is made investments in care economy
He core strategy in their economic agenda, not
at issue, not an add on or especial interest
That is a reflection.
The way in which the pandemic has changed the debate. It has like this problem about America, woefully embarrassingly underfunding, child care and childcare and care giving for the elderly has been around long before
this by like so much else. The pandemic has shown a light and exacerbated huge problems in our economy, and so, but that was a good
politics. I think there's a political downside to doing this, and I will see you know the way he's paying, for it is quite smart and he actually quite legitimate, but is also the right way to think about
fixing the economy. You know given wench
Can the president, because particularly you know, if you, if you're operating assumption, that kind of viruses still gonna be around when Joe Biden takes
office dealing with the situation where clothes, schools, clothes, day care centres, the lack of other child care were elder carer in our we're nursing homes are great potential risk centres. All of that is an impediment to economic activity. People cannot go back to work if they cannot get childcare for their children and so making it a part of your economic strategies. A substantive right thing to do and doing the substantive re thing on the economy is always the best politics. For all the reasons we just
about us about how the economy drives political sentiment so strongly, I would meant to ask favour this question. Last week, when we talked about the climate part of his built back better,
but we never got around to announce intending to us.
This week, but since he is not here, I will ask you: what are you
about the build back, better message or title slogan. I guess
maybe maybe be bailed out its catching. It works now like
Memorable right like like. I did the joke on most political campaigns. I have observed or worked on it
had so many slogans that it's almost a trivia question to see, if you can remember them. All of that was a particular criticism of the two thousand and four presidential campaign, some of the other primary channel.
Two Brok Obama, any bill back setter. Are you referring to documents and the fundamental rights of others,
it speaks of the moment? Look, I don't know are any of these things valuable. Who knows you can slap on a bumper sticker? You can put it on a bus. You can easily make the candidate say. It
I mean my sort of like my bar,
nice things is, does it sound incredibly forced when you have to insert it into a set of remarks about the policy topper of the day? In this case, I don't think it does so. I say roll with it
yeah. I mean leg. We have been engaged over the over the many many years in a gazillion discussions about.
Slogans and how you title things and I've been part of some of the worst. I doing things ever like when we made the theme of the two thousand and eleven state of the union,
when the future, which none of us realise- and she had a recipe for it, when I ve realized that abbreviated to w e F,
so who'd like they're on their always terrible.
Like the new deal is only a cool name in hindsight. Right of the time are probably right. Cheesy.
And I do think, like I give credit to the by people, because one idea I generally like obliteration by just build back better jobs
What's your plan, I went to build back. What we ve lost
I want to do it better than before. So we just like this.
This is like just say the thing like you, don't get extra points for rhetorical flourish, and so- and so I think it's great jacobi- look carry
therefore had a stronger America begins at home, a safer, stronger, more secure America. The real deal, the courage to do what's right for America think lightly
America be America again and there were up enough links in use. At some point I mean you can over think these things you can spend hours with white boards, in name storms in blah, blah blah blah. If people dont remember it, if the candidate doesn't want to use it, if it feels corny Isaak and a work, so Bilbil better
I like it role of the job, yet he I think that's right there they wanted to say was you know you raise the issue of like how you communicate this
the pandemic is this like this guy coverage, like, I think, even receive some television coverage in
It's a ransom, some stories on it in her legs.
During the recent shocking that the Georgian Michael centres for this. But the way to think about this, I think always- is whenever any campaigns when you're rowing our policy is it's not. You want to get as much coverage. Is you can in the moment? Just because you want more people too
more things, but the way to think about, as you were, layering in a platform in a story that you're gonna tell in paid messaging later on. So this will
you will see that its e mail, peace and unity drive. It hasn't even see tv advertising. It's that contrasts Joe binds build back better plan. You know all the planks of it with everything
you can see advertising with testimonials from parents or caregivers, we're seniors about why, Joe, by
has been addressed, the problem, and so it's not just like did you.
Get to do a round table unfairly. Today, it's how you use this data point to make your larger argument going forward,
Yeah, I'm not getting. The krona virus has as laid bare that a lot of the social safety net.
In Amerika was not prepared, for this moment was not strong enough to begin with, and so that we need to fix that
in the long term. I also think the Biden campaign probably
listen to you and internalized criticism that some of his early messaging that sounded like hey, we're, just gonna, go back to the Obama AIR and everything is gonna. Be ok did not resonate for a lot of people who felt left behind even during the Obama economy. So I do think, though, that better speaks to that tension. Answer the moment of the corona virus.
Yeah, that's right, Tommy Dan, thank you for filling in forms.
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