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cricket, we're gonna, pod, save America, I'm John Favour. I'm dyin driver and I've been roads on today. Show Ben is here with us to talk about Vladimir Putin's full scale invasion of Ukraine, as well as the response from the? U S and the world, and later democratic strategist and posters summoned the lake joined to talk about the national republican senatorial committees, mid term manifesto, which includes raising taxes on more than a hundred million Americans, but first trick. The latest episode of pod save the world were been covers. The latest in Ukraine, with the financial Times Moscow, Bureau chief MAX sudden

and our good friend in USA idea, administrators Samantha Power also check out hysteria were earn, analyse a dive into a shocking pro public apiece. It exposes states for sitting on five point two billion dollars in welfare funds, while needy family struggle to survive. New episodes upon save the world drop every Wednesday in hysteria drops every Thursday artless get to the news. Vladimir Putin has launched a full scale invasion Ukraine, saying that his goal is the demilitarization. Indeed not suffocation of Russia's peaceful, democratic neighbour. The nuclear armed dictator also said quote. Anyone who tries to interfere with us must know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences. As you have never Experienced in your history, massive numbers of ukrainians have started to flee the capital and other places under attack by russian forces governments. all over the world, condemned Putin's war? Now,

Oh a security alliance of European and north american countries form to guard against russian aggression, has announced an emergency summit didn't bite and joined other world leaders into in imposing severe economic sanctions on Russia, which he talked about during his speech at the White House on Thursday Putin is the egg Sir Putin chose this war. and now he and his country will bear the consequences today I'm authorizing additional strong sanctions, and new limitations on what can be exported to Russia. This is going to impose severe cost and the russian economy immediately and over time, we approve silly design, these sanctions to maximize along term impact on Russia and minimize the impact in the United States and our allies Ben. What did you think of Biden Speech and how would you rate the severity of the sanctions that he announced?

Well, I think that you know they ve been foreshadowing. These particular sanctions for some time now and in what this is, is the financial Djinns targets, the largest russian banks, russian banks have been targeted. The passport usually been smaller military says you two banks: these are the really big financial institutions in Russia It freezes their assets in the United States, an essentially to cut them off and the capacity to do business in the international financial system. The the oligarchs are near the broader network of the Russians who helps subsidize prudence, option and benefit from his reign in kind of the life blood of of his regime, and the export controls are. Our effort to to use, A U S, capacity, to block the export of certain materials into Russia that are important to say, critical sectors of the russian economy you're their defence industrial?

base their high tech sector and so further trying to limit Russia's capacity to develop and grow its economy, and in so look this will have on the russian economy? You ve We seen the russian currency plummet you ve already seen the russian markets planet, but the are not the most severe sanctions two notable things at Present Biden, And the Europeans did not yet do are essential. Fitting Russia from the swift system. That's the payment system, a whimper. this sanction on on IRAN. This is such a kind of kicks you out of the international financial system and energy sanctions, sanctions on the capacity of Russia to export oil and gas obviously its biggest revenue generated, so this is about as far as they could go without when all the way to a place where they would either be really

disruptions in the international financial system which the swift step might do, or no bigger disruptions or inflationary pressure or pressure on gas prices in Europe. The United States, which is what broader energy actions were do, but I mean it's a big. It's a big deal. It's obviously not going to determine Putin, but it is- can impose a bigger in Russia has faced before when it comes to sanctions. Is it right that we couldn't kick them out of the swift system on our own, that we need the Europeans to go along with this, and I know that Germany and ITALY at least, are blocking this move. Yeah Enzo You want your consensus with the Europeans and on Swift you'd want New Japan, in Canada and others on board it does like Germany Nevil earlier than the outliers witches. I got a better days, I've heard when we imposing sanctions on Russia after the annex

Crimea of and the initial invasion and eastern Ukraine which obviously wasn't as substantial as the military operation were seen now Joe in Germany, ITALY by ITALY in particular, is often and outlier in one to minimize disruptions to their own economy You know I will see what happens, but your Biden made the point that the sanctions that they already data as consequential a swift, I think, What have we? Obviously you added swift on top of that it would have an impact and the Ukrainians have been calling for that, but this is still a pretty. Insignificant head to the russian economy in one that's gonna ripple out across the global. I'm including our own again a couple. Things seem to hear. One is what we have promised thus far has not deterred Putin but also that there is no appetite. wherefore the use of force. Is there anything the? U S or the EU can do too

or any of our while I can do to actually cause Putin to second guess this move, or with swift. Do that or are we sort of very limited here and he a sort of free rein? I don't think so. Dan. At this point I mean in part, because you know that Psychology of the person we ve seen and vine report in the last few days looks like this really, the man and high castle? You know It feels like he's a decision maker of one. This is not even like the Kremlin you hear the snow Politburo. This is prudent, and this feels not even like strategic move by him, but, like a deep seated, reasons fuelled move by him. today you saw Putin, summon literally Alex ruin rupture to a meeting where he Biscuit told them they look to do this. You just have to deal with this right. I do think that either the energy sanctions would obviously hit the hardest, but it would appear it s the hardest as well?

so in terms of the near term? Stopping somehow this occurred, military operation doesn't feel there's anything at all. They could do that. I do think I've, been thinking about this overnight, watching how dramatic this is The conversation is so much about. Sanctions and Actually, we were going back and forth last night about the? U N Security Council, what a farce it was to watch Russia. share a meeting that was called because of its own invasion of another country and eat. I think, their point to make your beyond needing to enforcing sanctions. Grafter. All this wealth is what can we I'm just gonna. Kick Russian. out of every club that we can. You know the, U N is obviously difficult piece of business to reform that but there's a lot of institutions that Russia belongs to. You know from from Interpol, which Dave Abuse

two more symbolic things that they care a lot about. Like international sports federations. but essentially really just now. has now made itself This really is calm analogous it was an analogous to, but it has echoes of you have those invasion of Poland right now, hopefully, not as consequential is obscene long run, but this is one big news in invading a smaller democracy to conquer, I mean that this is a scam, of aggression that we just had seen in Europe in our lives, and so I do think really systematic effort to just kind of a victory Russia from every community of nations in club, an organisation that is practical is the kind of thing that would impose it at a different. Type of cost over time again it might not stop him in his tracks are anything, but I think we ought to be thinking cream.

ITALY about how to register that. Are you just can't do this and expect things to get back to some business. As usual, I think you know some people talked about suspending any day matic relations. Look you still need to talk to other countries, so I'm not sure about that, but you saw Like France, the United Kingdom took a step today where they ban whites into Heathrow from the russian Earl. You know things like that There are just like her, you guys rat. You know, I have a big impact and you you know, could create pressures in internal to Russia. Back a great problems are prudent again overtime. I'm in this is not gonna happen overnight. Then, just watching the scene last night with the: U N, inserted just the incomplete feckless nature of what was happening there. No. You have NATO. You have the world united against Russia. You have the? U N! Yet Russia proceeding in invading a sovereign nation anyway,.

this represents some sort of turning point or breaking point for the Post WAR war to order in the world about the power of these institutions or who were designed to stop exactly this thing from happening. Yes, I mean, I think, that I think that's exactly right Dan and you know you had this all system set up after war too, to prevent this friend more particularly worn Europe, let's face it, but that's what I mean. Obviously we care we should carry about human life that has lost in wars and other voices, but the? U N was set up to do after bore to and it in you you the way thing about this. Is We are in a new era that you you had What would you care to the cold war, and then you have the kind of cold war era and that kind of ended definitively last night I may have already been on unravelling for some time. The Trump presidency obviously wasn't accelerant, but this can a period of time. The post cold war

globalization on top of the post war, were two institutions that that that clearly doesnt work anymore and it's not working across the board. Is its I've seen eye working? stop in Russia but you're. We, This is really what my last year book was about it, essentially that that order has fallen. And something else is gonna have to take its place, and so I think what's gonna happen. Here is a rethinking of how the whole I shall system works because when one of the big nuclear superpowers Russia completely ops out of of any norms- and frankly, uses those institutions shield itself in other user. You unsecured accounts of either to block the. U anything they use. The oil and gas to leverage the Global economy, which is dependent on the kind of free flow oil boiling gas. they're using all these mechanisms to prevent consequences for them doing this kind of stuff and then they have China pretty much backing them up on that and

you're doing and in their own way the same thing, although not merely is dramatically it's time, for like a pretty fundamental rethink here. Your point earlier about Putin having made this vision on his own and being all by himself on this, like I saw even some Russia experts express surprise that he chose to go this far so reports that there have been protests in Moscow. russian, celebrity speaking out russian oligarchs, telling Putin himself during that meeting you reference that he needs to make sure Russia remains part of the global economy. There's report the captured russian soldiers were saying that they didn't know. We're being sent to kill Ukrainians. Can you talk about how much of a risk there is too Putin that he may have over reached in miscalculated in the russian people may turn again. I think that that's like a real risk- and you know it couldn't for years. You know when we,

came into government and just nine he had. He was Minister MID get of Dmitri Medvedev. His present in, but didn't call the shots of emu that, but they were like power centres Putin, was the kind of guy who was shot color, but he kind of adjudicated between some more liberal advisers and some hardliners in some oligarchy since a military types by then the Obama years that a child, and it was like prudent, with a pretty tight circle. Hardliners and now Talking to people? I know in Moscow and actually MAX setting made this point on parts of the world like it's just prudent He spent the last two years and covered pretty in total isolation and if you watch that crazy security, council meeting. He had the did you the other day before he launched this invasion. We can. It went around in your kind of demanded to know what everybody thought and clearly they were all nervous that that day

one guy said the wrong thing and it looked like he thought. Like you know, a hook was gonna. Come out, hide them and take him out in me mother as the head of their foreign intelligence service. Those guys didn't look like they. Even necessarily knew exactly what they are supposed to say. You know like, and you gonna have the sense that this isn't like this. Big cabal of hardliners cook this up this tools, like prudent cook, this up and, I think risk for him, therefore, is if you have the russian public pissed off about this over time let's be clear- I think- there's gonna be pissed off Russians regarding protests today, but when Crimea happened, there were like very little casualties, very little fighting burial ass to Russia in Crimea. Is the one part of Ukraine that the Russians felt like was a part of Russia. That was a very popular thing printed. That's not what most Russians think about like the whole country of Ukraine, and so, if you start to have russian cash,

he's a bloody insurgency, military managers in the Ukraine at the scene and its sanctions are hurting their economy, there could be general public. satisfaction, but also I've been wondering like are their journey. sir, begin to whisper with to each other like hey. What's this guy doing now like how are you willing to go there probably asking the russian generals this? kind of questions that we are. You know like what? Where does this end? With this guy and these oligarchy Serbia losing all their money. You know they're not let stand up prenatal soon, but those guys of kind of finance a lot of stuff over the years and so I think the risk for him and you who knows how long it takes is whether or not different forces inside of Russia start to think my hey. This is data, You know, and there have been leaders who looked really strong, including leaders of superpowers.

You know once they start losing both elite and public support. It can go south for them again. I dont That'S- can happen anytime soon, but this could be the domino that too, knocked over that ultimately circles back around to him. Ben invading Ukraine, is one thing occupying. It is another what it is: Russia really have the ability and the will to occupy Ukraine over the long term, like what's the end game here for forbidden, so I dont think that they'd do or one I hear you, you heard him talk about doing application demilitarization, which is showing an crazy, especially given the fact that the present Ukraine is jewish, but we ve heard this. Is ass an eminent crimea. They said there are Ukrainian nazis kind of weird allusion to the fact that some elements of ukraine- you know we're on the other side and in what were to its opposition

we face today, but I think what their end game is too decapitate. The government, tragically, I think, to probably round up and kill or detain a lot of the pro western ukrainian. political lead is essentially wipe out that government and wipe out the the forces and leadership in ukrainian society in civil society that has been behind this turned towards democracy in turn, towards away install some pro russian apparatchik to be that the President of Ukraine and then to kind of treat it like a vassal. Date in the same way that they treat you know Lukashenko there. The kleptocratic Belarus, or you know some of these separatist regions. If ever I recognise in Georgia, I I think it is a problem with that, though I don't. I don't think that that the people of Ukraine is country of forty. Four million people are going to go further,

It's a big country and if you look at the new every talks about a new chess three chess player buoys these other pieces of territory that he's gonna bit not chunks of countries of since the invasion of Georgia does night or small there really well. We small concentrated areas in there. They are areas is, it usually have a majority of us can of russian speakers or ethnic Russians. That's not Ukraine, so I think his end game is that to install it the government and turned it into kind of like almost like a soviet republic, but I don't think that's gonna work. I think you're gonna find them if civil, disobedience and violence and insurgency in this thing can could drag out and lead to. all manner of unintended consequences right months of worsted, as

our country and in Iraq. You know, you start a big war, you don't get to choose how it ends well, speed of consequences. I think one of the more chilling lines from Putin Speech last night was that any country that interferes will be met with consequences. you ve never experienced in history? I was wondering when I heard that is obviously a lot of people express to him about that on on twitter for good reason but I was wondering like how do you think you're old colleagues, at and I see in the end, the defence department and stay in the White House reacted to vat line in the sand, which was taken by many as an overt threat of of nuclear retaliation yeah. I think it was a threat and if you remember part of his, I run a show leading up to this war. Was the kind of overseas nuclear exercises citing goes all of a piece. It look. I think They probably we didn't, do not sit here, thinking that were on the precipices of nuclear war, and I hear people can

I can show a little bit about that in this sense. It Europe, I do think prudence objectors now. Listen in this chapter are really focused on Ukraine. but I think what they probably started to do is I'd like we're going to start work, king, for any signs of anything changing in the kind of deployment or posture, Russia's nuclear arsenal and- and I saw some comments on the Defence Department today- kind of new senior defence official comments Did they haven't seen any change? That's kind of cool worship, you know. What's that kind of stuff that we used to do. You know you know that you're watching silos and you know The fact that we are having this conversation is alarming and I will again not I I don't wanna be overly long, MR that the the one thing they has given me the most as for concern in the last couple weeks, is this kind of window, we ve had independent psychology,

really and people who know better than us right. People who who were in Moscow. People watched him for a long time that I know we're like this. Guy seems kind unhinged, you know, doesn't seem even like the Putin have like a decade ago. You know who is already pretty scary guy. So that's you were being reminded. Like history, you Anna he bore me. This is the right word, but it is a deeply agree. But a messianic leader who is increasing so from advisers and increasingly doesn't listen to people. That's a scary thing, ruin Russia through these eight through all the world's always never get aggrieved, arrange dictators with nuclear arsenals, not academics, not economics, Ben. Thank you so much. Walking us through all this, both today and in the last couple weeks and dumb, But when we come back then- and I will I talk through some of the politics of others-

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suck about how this war is already affecting american politics. New pulling this week shows how tricky this issue is for Biden political morning consult says only forty percent approve of how is handling this crisis with forty five percent disapproving fifty eight percent say they hold Biden responsible. If gas prices go up as a result of the invasion, though thankfully a higher percentage said they hold Putin responsible in forty, two percent said that their mid term vote will be about economic issues which dwarfs every other set of issues list in the pole, including national security issues, which were second place listed issues like terrorism, foreign policy in border security that came in a fourteen percent meanwhile, and Associated Press pull, found that only twenty six percent of Americans think the EU should play a major role in Ukraine in a sea. Be us pull found that fifty three percent of Americans think the EU should state of negotiations between Ukraine and Russia all together. Now, of course, is poor.

Was all done before the full invasion took place on Wednesday evening. So, of course, public opinion ships very quickly in a situation like this, but did anything in the polling. Surprise. You were there any other important, take away that I missed just now. While I think If you take all these individual data points there. Two conclusions to draw the first is the american people. Do not see. This is connected to their lives, if not just more percentages and whether our people to be involved in Ukraine, Lover, images Americans want, the? U S, belgian. The negotiations about Ukraine are talking about sanctions. Troops on the ground, higher gas price were deciding about just the use of american time. They. This is not a folks them and, in the eight p, north pole, They asked people a series of questions arise. better. They have a series of questions about are concerned. They are about various foreign policy issues, fifty three

percent of Americans are either streamline are very concerned about Russia's influence in the world which seems like a lot right. It is, it is a majority, but people concerned about China. Thus, world was hired. Fifty nine percent people concerned about cyber attacks generally. Was it sixty three percent in so This is for all you know and, as you said, this could change because of what people are seeing on their television by it. It is the idea that they are not yet connecting why what happens in Ukraine matters in their wives, and that therefore puts the bite administration in a very challenging position, because they are all they are seeing the by an administration due for good reason rises, not a critique of it is doing stuff about Russia talking about Russia? two meetings about Russia, photos about them talking about Russia and not the things that they say is going to be the economy, inflation, etc. That's going to be at the top of their agenda when they go vote, this fall

and I will say this: isn't some new sentiment in America there has been a long tradition in public opinion of not wanting american leaders to focus on challenges overseas when there are so many challenges here at home and in that sentiment became even stronger after the debacle in Iraq So as long as we ve been in politics, you know some of the best lines from politicians that are the highest pulling Linzer. We don't want to do ex overseas, we won Build more acts here at home raises villain whatever the policy issues so there that there is that sentiment than elected leaders have been facing for quite some time. But again you know I do think, especially after the images of the last couple days. That sentiment could shift, especially since this is a or that is being life tweeted on cable. All the time I mean I know it's just obviously

even with the Iraq invasion, you user, cable news cover this nonstop. This is now every single second following it on social media, which is something that we haven't seen in quite a whilst at least with a war. This large you ve, been in plenty of situations where challenging and unpopular foreign policy crisis dominates both media coverage and the president's attention, like what advice would you giving to the White House right now either you also, we just have to ignore the domestic politics and there is no good political position here. There is no good political message. I do not. I think we do everything they can, as the president did in the speech you just gave. To explain american people, why? What habits in Ukraine matters to the american people? I do I think that is an argument. They're gonna win. It just is even in more like, as you point out, other than the period right out between nine eleven and when it became pretty clear. The Iraq war was a giant mistake, the

for the vast majority of the last fifty years. American politics, foreign policy has created this parent, Four presidents, where you pay a price for the chaos or broad, but you get no credit for preventing that chaos or returning the world to stability, and so it is almost almost a lose lose and there in the centres do all you can do it through the substantively right thing and, I think, continue to seem like you're doing everything you can be out there. Probably talking about it but recognise you're, gonna pay up, you're you're, still, gonna pay a price, sir, on some level, because you are not talking about the things that people should be talking about. But you couldn't talk whether they surely Zagreb, because there is a war happening in Russia. Right is even if they were to come out in launch of a new inflation plan. Today. or some other sort of new covert guidance or something that would address people's concerns. That would get no coverage and consume it. So this is this: what they have to deal with this? They have to sort of bear down and get through it and hopefully bring it to a resolution, and these are not the most out some rest,

possible as soon as possible, but I don't think there there's. No, message or communication regimes can alter the fact that this is going to put some downward pressure on the president politically, yet the president has the biggest megaphone in the country, but he does not control this new cycle when there is a war in Europe. I do think look in his speech today. He had to announce a lot of the sanctions and explain what the sanctions were and and and all that, but towards the end of the speech he did try to make that case about.

Ukraine should matter to us and it does fit in with a message he's deliver many times in his presidency and even in the course of his campaign about the global struggle between autocracy and democracy, and I do think the strongest case for him is that, like we were just talking about with, then this is an autocrat, an aggrieved arranged autocrat with nuclear weapons, and if we do not stand up to him here, what else might happen and what other autocrat in other places in the real world, some of whom also have nuclear weapons? What are they gonna do, and this is a global struggle that were facing right now. between autocracy and democracy and democracy as frustrating as it can be as maddening as it can be, as messy as it can be. This is why democracy is worth the struggle and- and I do think that, like like you said- I still think that I can hear the focus groups now

plenty of for producing this country like yeah. But what about my life? And so you they're going to take a had for this, probably but think your best shot at telling people why this matters to them is talking about that global struggle. With really exist right now. It is. It is an appeal climb to say the least. It is an appeal climb. We talked on Tuesdays pod about our prudence. Invasion is splitting the Republican Party that has continued all week to this day. Some Republicans praised by sanctions, Some criticise them for being too late and too weak in summer, and they leave Putin alone camp. Here's Tucker Karlsson, the other night that here Shorty. Vladimir Putin could bring the United States into a conflict in Eastern Europe before them, habits. It might be worth asking ourselves since it was getting pretty serious. What is this, we about. Why do I hate put in so much has put never called me a racist as he threatened to get me for. four disagreeing with him as he shipped every man? last job in my town to Russia, did he mania

actual worldwide pandemic. The wrecked my business and kept me endorse for two years is eighteen my children to embrace racial discrimination is making sentinel trying to snuff out Christianity? Does he eat dogs? These are fair questions in the answer to all of them is now vital. Couldn't didn't do any of that? Where do you think the does he, dogs thing come for you. I had no idea that reference was about eight. It seems like it might be. They regurgitation of a twenty twelve Romney campaign hit on Proch Ababa people can google and I can't even decades we don't get your target, explain it, but you remember what I'm talking about that. So that's Tucker he's doing his thing. He's gettin, you know featured on russian State TV because he's basically just giving them free propaganda, then there's elder statesmen, Donald Trump

who waited on the crisis. A couple days ago, during his interview on the clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show here's a clip of tromp now when yesterday there was a television screens, and I said this is genius, Odin declares a big portion of the Ukraine of Ukraine who, declares it as independent that's wonderful, so Putin, is now saying its independent. A large section of Ukraine, I said, smart as that and he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper the strongest resource. We could use that our southern border, by the way, never would have happened with us head. I've been in office not even Thinkable this would never have happened, and you know what the response was from bag and there was no response, because there was a response you ever think yourself. Ok, that was pretty knots pretty nuts, but you know a few days

before the full scale invasion. So maybe Trump will change his tune once he actually saw that there were bombs raining down on Keefe. Well, here's Donald Trump Talking to Lord Ingram last night live as invasion was taking place here. Exactly right, I think that's what happened. Do is going to be satisfied with a peace, and now it is the weak this than the incompetence of the stupidity of this administration and as an American, I'm angry about it, and I am saddened by it and it all happened because of a rigged elections. This would have never happened. would it never happened? It shouldn't urban and is a very as they would get. I was also very dangerous. Did you told me about the baby is backed by a man you shouldn't be saying that, because you- and Nobody has yet another. You do that secretly not be doing that through were hanged. They should be doing that equally. Nobody should know that war

you don't know their live down. There is yet another. Now those are the russian. various other than we do now. I hear that there are now that would be knows you're. There will be news, you fucking more used to be the commander in chief of the armed forces. You thought that last night, beginning the invasion that U S, forces were lunching attacks in Ukraine. I mean also bears that There is also the fact that, like that was, maybe the quickest path ever between here thing happening in the world. How can you make it about yourself? this. Never would have happened if it wasn't for the rigged election. It took him like too. This is to get from where going on in the world to the big lie, which is a record. I think We just love a follow up question on exactly how those two things are connected. Is it because of the mysterious fake Dnc server that he thought was in Ukraine? Is it because of his phone call like how exactly what led the Russians

to invade, Was it the mediaeval let the Russians to invade Ukraine because of the big live like that that we were in need of a holocaust? yeah? Let's remember that he did withhold military assistance to Ukraine order to make sure that he could dig up dirt on jobs. That was that was the source of the first impeachment. Lest we forget, let's forget. What else to say about from here. Like do you think? It's you think it's politically wise for him to be saying what he saying right now like he doesn't seem the it it does seem like a where Donald Trump and the Tucker Carlson's of the world are out of step with most elected Republicans right now, even Josh Holly, who had been on where's programme and in? Our view was also used, as best russian propaganda today put a statement saying. Ok, we stand with the people of Ukraine. We ve got a stand up to Russia like it's good. Pretty lonely in me?

leave, Putin alone. Caucus among republic Right now it's like Tucker Carlsson and some of the wing, nuts and right wing media, not a lot of elected officials. There were That's not a lot of luck, the officials, but it is the most prominent powerful republicans in the country, have adopted a position and it is not a popular position in the sea vs. You gotta, pull you cited earlier. They s should you who should you supported the negotiator on Russia and Ukraine and hid the ask them. Should the EU s support Russia, four percent of people Four percent are Republicans support the opposition in so, is a alike. Big. It's getting enough attention that the most important prominent figures, including the leading, continues to be the next republican nominee has speedo off Words of support has praised as complemented Putin at this exact moment in time and ever, but we have to answer for that. Every Republican should have to answer for that. Everyone is interviewed,

Let me do they get the problem. That republican messaging is contradictory between the. U know, present the leader of the party still Donald Trump and so many other Republicans and in the media apparatus and an elected Republicans like- is this a problem that its contradictory and is it possible for Democrats to exploit these divisions. What the I think, the reaction to the invasion is contradictory right or the, analysis of why the invasion is happening as contradictory. There is pro Putin, there is profound yes, there's fascists adjacent areas: Putin apologies, there's a whole set of different sort of camps here, but is a very consistent message as it relates to fight, which is every republican, whether they love our voting repugnant or they pretend eleven were prudent or they sort of put neutral has argued that this is a direct result of Biden Sweetness, and this has been. The message will examine hammer

and since last summer, when the withdrawal run Afghanistan led to sort of the beginning of buttons political troubles, aunt em they're, starting their statements about this. They can dead. They blame binds weakness for why Putin did. This is possibly me, prudence, aggression and terrorism. political power! That message strength, the weaknesses that paradigm on which Republicans ways handle and discuss politics, and it is why these they find themselves praising. Putin is away to draw a contrast between Putin invited he has shrunk by this week. That's why this is happening and the other it like? Yes, they are incoherent by. I think where we can't it is on this or that we had to drive division between those two sort of confusing camps of dumb people saying dumb things, but I think what we can do is point out that, with that the Republicans are blaming America right, that they are wreaking of political opportunism at this time that that that their leaders are

supporting prudent, complementing Putin at this time. I there this is Africa. Bind to do here is his job is to stay above the fray. But for every other Democrat for all of us, you have. They are punching Biden at every opportunity to try to use this tragedy. This global crisis to score political points for the mid term and they have to be called out on it. Also all of them spent the entire Trump administration supporting a president lockstep who co eat up to Putin and praised Putin every single chance he got and none of the very few of them a handful ever spoke out about that ever so. I am that's. That's just a completely true observation, so I think Democrats pointing that out is very fair if they're gonna talk about Joe Biden in his weakness. Ok when- Come back. We will bring in a democratic strategist Belinda Lake to talk about the republican mid term.

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had I e yellow. Fortunately I did not get through the entire manifesto. You you conduct pulling in focus groups all the time. How do you think voters in swing districts and swing states will respond to the Senate Republicans campaign plan, particularly the part about raising taxes so that everyone has, as they put it skin in the game I love that We already have enough, given the go ahead I'll blow, love that they plan to tat senior than disabled people and veterans, because they really weren't contributing enough already on. I think this is you know this is an abundance of riches and I can't believe that at the it's really designed for private, politics. It's really designed for the Mega nation faction and our problem is going to be that we are going to have to be disciplined

in picking out of the two hundred and twenty eight proposals, which five hundred and sixteen things do, we get brought one spread. So one of the things that I love it, any kind of new Gingrich's contract for America, and I think that's what they were really basing it on. But if you remember when we on took on the contract, and we said it was a contract on American out for America. They say we said, look at the fine French, and this is a case where boy look at the same brand, and there are just so many policies in here that are widely popular and so much intrusion of the government. and people's personal lives. Then it just astounding

trying to take things that are working to our advantage bike. Let's look at the science and perverting completely what sciences, let's look it were contributing to our society, isn't turning that on his head and saying seniors and disabled people veterans don't contribute. This is just an abundance of riches and we got to figure out which two or three things are we going to do first, do you think that the raising taxes on a hundred million Americans at the top of is at the top of the less their yeah they give me, particularly because during the by catch, manager remember. We had to keep emphasising that we were not going to register define anybody within incomes under four hundred thousand will now you ve had a plan not only that raising it on hassles. America, but its raising it on their half its under four hundred thousand so now

A real, clear choice: everybody gets her taxes raised, including seniors, who make up a record in a number of the electorate and our proposal, which said nobody gets their taxes raised under four hundred thousand and were asking corporations and wealthy individuals to pay them fair share, then why do you think Rick's got? Did this Mcconnell wanted no plan? Scott, eleven point Manifesto, with with as excellent. Noted in two hundred and something points under that which option gives the Republicans better Chancellor event. It well nice guy did this because he's just dub enough to think he says we must heads every politician. We ve ever work for things they have to be for some They have to have an agenda. What am I running on in, of course, Mcconnell is right in this situation, because Republicans wine agenda is less popular than Democrats. They they them all the relevant parties in most pulling less popular democratic. They just want to be a generic alternative to the things people are pissed about.

so when they re my. If you have a plan to grant remind people what they don't like about you and how unpopular positions are, that is, it is based on my expertise limit, as it may be back political strategy? I mean it is clear from the polling I've seen that the economy is far and away the top issue for voters. Democrat economic policies are more popular than republican economic policies. That said, Republican seem obsessed with banning books, club banning class from discussions about gay people, a bill in Florida that just passed the has today and banning health care for Trans kids. As Governor Gregg Abbot astray to do in Texas in the pulling I've. Seen also shows that all those bans are also fairly popular with most voters, as well so into how do you think democratic candidates should handle this? You know, voters want to focus on the economy. Republicans want to get involved in people's lives in an unpopular way. How do you handle that if your democratic campaign, while the

but I think that's amazing about this- is that on the Republicans here are intervening, fixing a whole bunch of problems that don't exist, but one of my favorites was God determined that the nuclear family is God driven all eight traditional nuclear families are. Families were that in a country with a fifty percent divorce rate about a single mom and dad we're working die hard. A lot of grandparents, raising kids and, as one person said now, focus yours. I got enough problems drew out his and my family. I don't need you tackling issues, my family, their fixing problems that don't exist and ignoring the problems that do or making them worse? You don't try to get your kids caught up on education by doing away with the Department of Education awhile. The unpopular policy you don't tell seniors, were really struggling on. Fixing comes with inflation that your problem is you don't work and you don't pay enough taxes, so I think

Tat on the most important thing, I think for Democrats is to lay out our positive agenda. Ironically, I don't need the Republicans needed to lay out an agenda. I think that we do not need to remind people of what we have an accomplished, and then now we have the father for this stark contrast of the word and America under start would look right, for us is what we are struggling with right now to help all Americans and what problems we are trying to deal with. It are real problems at your kitchen table and, like these, up problems, half of which have no definition. I mean I love the once the added in a little socialist everywhere they could happen Europeans dont know what a socialist debts set Et Al sprinkle in some socialism, whenever you're a little satellites that didn't you and I What about her Democrats should handle these cultural issues.

No. Obviously what Gregg Abbot is trying to do in Texas is gross disgusting, hateful either there hasn't been enough discussion about how its unpopular as well I mean I. I looked at some PBS Maris polling from last April. More than thirty percent of all american support state laws that prohibit gender, affirming care for minors or that criminalize providers of that care. Even a majority of Republicans oppose such laws, obvious there's also pulling showing that banning books in schools is very unpopular even with republican voters, Beynon classroom discussions of about gay people which I haven't seen pulling up, but I'm gonna guess not being also. You know me if I'm wrong cylinder, I'm gonna get that that's not popular thought about it, either so dear. How do you think democratic handled why they do to you It's like this. Before about health, we tend to create this fake wall between Cultural Issues and economic issues, and we have to knock that down any time your opponent decides to adopt,

unpopular solutions to issues that people do not. It is a problem not concerned You have to take advantage of that and I think, one way to handle this connected to what we have talked about. Many times is everyone's number. One concern inflation in the economy, which is This is what Republicans are focusing on there. Focusing on lowering your ass prices are making easier to pay for food or raise your wages, are focusing on banning books and criminalizing parent, and attacking gay people talking their focus on these things and we're focus on the things that affect your lives. Whether this is what the great gift of the wreck, Scott and a is he does it and I urge to give him most credit for the fact that set down a computer, it put together a document that took the least Popular corporatist elements of the Romney Paul Ryan agenda. In combined with you, these popular, most bigoted parts,

The mega agenda put in one document said enjoy Democrats, oh thank you works got. I can see everything. That's really important areas to us. What the motivation is. They are trying to divide and divert us because they want to win political power. and they want to hide their real agenda. Their real agenda is, there is price gouging going on right now and that's part of the contribution of ablation, and they don't want to take it on. We will they don't want to take on the supply chain issues we will. We will bring any fracturing back, and some of this stuff is just so non commas and two women it is so out of touch with their rise. I loved the one about we're, gonna, be and discussion of any algae b to cure shoes in the classroom. Ok, so what happens when Susie very innocently ass? The teacher? Why does molly have two minds?

not going to answer that question and when Molly every child in America has a chart and algae reticule appearance in the classroom. Now, really that's the biggest thing, We focused on you're gonna, run in there and b that teacher police. Whether you gonna ask the question: why does Molly have two Mommy's? That's ridiculous! It would seem its obtained. So Republicans did not really get too excited. There's a lot of reports that there are grumbling about it. The inner a sea itself was like that's, Rick, Scots,

agenda. Rick Scott was trying to like clarify things that go. No. The tax increase won't hit seniors, railings and solemn ass. How do you think Democrats will be able to tag the entire party with this agenda? You think, and you think that voters will will buy that, while in some way sound a little sorry that their pushing back so fast and Republicans to cut their lost its pretty tat. Sometimes I was something they would ask, but the man Faction may well ask for endorsement of these positions in these primaries and a lot of these Republicans I'm pretty difficult primaries. An ear If you were the nomination as the main the candidate and you ve, endorses agenda you're, going to have a lot of explaining to do just suburban voters to swing. MR independence will wonder what the heck, where your priorities and what is going on with these positions,

Then, if you are running a democratic campaign, how would you use this manifesto? I would ask it force are appointed to answer for it. I would take every unpopular position advocated by any Republican anywhere in the country, whether its Gregg Abbot, around dissent is some random person. A twitter account I would make. The republican ass will answer for it. If you think about it, the Republicans took a position on defining the place that was push for by activists, but was not the official position of almost any Democrat on about anywhere in the country? successfully ascribed it to every single Democrat, including the democratic nominee, in this way, when election, there is no reason that we can't take the positions adopted by the person in charge of their campaign arm the governors of the largest state. eating presidential contenders and make republic. The answer for it and try to use it to drive a wedge between a cylinder said, the mega faction and what in their broader political interests after the primary and this wing states

so into what else you hearing from the voters. We To win the mid terms, can you give us the the good, the bad, the ugly, things were hearing. First of all, on everybody's, pretty bad mood, and feel that things are really going. There might they're looking for strong leadership, they're looking for people in touch with their lives, they are looking for an economic agenda. The single most important being a democratic act tat is, we have to get our economic agenda and we ve been doing a lot on the economy? But voters do neither confused about, Spivey beavers. This infrastructure did infrastructure even passed. The republican support the rescue package. We have to take a couple of issues and get out there and really emphasise what we got accomplished. So there's talking about what democratic, common and I imagine there's also talking about what Democrats would accomplish. If the voters returned us to power, and even if they enlarge the majority, what would you include and sort of a proactive, democratic, again

going forward. Well, you gonna, hear me say the economy, its reacted by uniting right, it's the ground and needs to be said. The number one thing, and also we run so many Winning candidates are running suddenly people of color in our research winning candidates in particular need to prove that they are good on the economy. Democrats need to prove that right now, so you made a very important distinction. Our policies are popular but were behind ten points on the economy. We need to get our policies out there The second thing we need to do is set up some clear contrast and arm. I I you know it's really interesting down what you say this is so seductive dissatisfied. Crack for applauded group involves right there's so much here. We could be out there, so we can raise at China money on it and we can be honoured forever, but I think we need to set up a couple of economic contrast. The swell and the tax. One is a huge issue. It is not surprising to me

they're backing off that tax provision right away and know that sixty percent of the electric is going to be over fifty years of age. The last thing we can do is this is a ready made template to get out rv we have faced the challenge, the Trump voters, a mega voters, supercharged and red Scots worried about that. We are the ones who really ought to be worried and now we have a ready made agenda? Do you really want someone who has the gender being nominated. Are we gonna stop them now? So, with the last question, Dan and I and Ben rosaries, talking about the political challenge Biden faces when it comes to dealing with Putin's invasion of Ukraine, with public opinion, where it is, would you advise him to communicate about this issue. I think he's doing a great job honestly, and I think this is a real opportunity to

stabber some character traits that are really really important, independent of the topic and that frankly, took a hit after the Afghanistan assets. So, yes, come across. The voters is a very strong leader. He is come across its exports He has done a fantastic job of communicating regularly with the voters. Here's what the experts say: here's what we're going to do we're gonna be tough. This is the implications that might have for you. I'm gonna give you posted. If we had had this kind of communication during covered, we would be in so much better shape right now in our focus groups. Just a couple a nights ago, one voters said you know if he can be this strong on Ukraine, maybe he can finally getting upon me and around that's interesting with her interesting, so Linda Lake. Thank you so much for anyone who had applied, save America and in for all you're a good insights and advice, Pritchett thanks for having you all the best.

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