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This week's hysteria were airing in illicit kick off women's history month with president. historian, Alexis CO who talks about them, oh gaze, has distorted our perception of history as well as the often manufactured nature of women's history month. New episodes of hysteria drop every Thursday. I must get to the news. We start with the huge story: broke Wednesday night. The best thing about Wednesday night is that it's not after we record on Thursday. From the New York Times quote the House Committee Invest, getting the January sixth attack on the capital said on Wednesday that there was enough evidence to conclude that former President Donald Trump and some of his allies might have conspired to commit fraud. An obstruction by misleading Americans about the outcome of the twenty twenty election in attempting to overturn the result. So we learn from the committee's lawyers through court filing hearing California or they're, trying to enforce a subpoena for emails belonging to John EAST

and the right wing lawyer who advise Trump that might pence could overturn the election. Here's the key line from the court filing quote the evident, supports an inference that President Trump John Eastman and several others entered into an agreement to defraud the United States by interfere. with the election certification process, disseminating false information about election fraud and pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort. Dan is this: it did we get em it's done brigade is done. I would I've the time you release into this Donald Trump will be in prison. He will not back He will not pass go. He will not collect your two dollars a day. Moment for us. I think we should take ourselves what role that through its this significant. Their lot people to thank on this to huge important day. The crass institutions Michael

not did some important work early on the designation. Well, this is a big guy occupied. I read you wait if you're glad shrub is imprisoned, all of our Mahler and, if tease are at peak value right now, this is a huge, huge numbers. It probably last part crisis averted. Trop has gone by. Saved America good stuff goods, not yet I so. Why did the committee's lawyers have to reveal this in a court? Why are we learning about this on a random Wednesday evening, because people deeply respect the importance it break? The news out before the Thursday by that is correct, the As you pointed out in your leader, that's the reason for this is that the committee is in court. Johnny's meant the president's crackpot pattern Who is it that the court is at the centre of all the legal proceedings and legal theories behind trumps attempts over from the election

sue. The committee in order to prevent the himself, from having to release documents. Economy, males with present trump, and his team about the conspiracy is asserted attorney. Fine privilege they need to. The committee is trying to show that two things, one that he's been made, not actually the trumps actual journey, because all these men has to prove your sister and unsigned letter so that you can create in a word document but also there's something called the crime and fraud exception to do that. My brother's, whereas if the attorney himself as involves instead crime and father nervously attorney client privileged cannot be used. That is why they laid out this crime. Eastman testified to further committee, but he took the fifth amendment northern hundred times. over the course of that testimony, and so this is in an effort to get those documents from Eastman,

It may also be a signal to merit garland, but we can talk about that later. Oh yeah, ok workmen view other things to know just from the filing, so they, the January six committee lawyers, asked the judge in the case to private. We review the avenue they gathered. So there's presumably a lot more evidence to back up this claim, and then we have seen so far that was included in the public filing one thing that was included in the public filing was Jason Miller's. Testimony Jason Miller. Former Trump aid testified that soon after election day Trump was told by a campaign data expert. in quote pretty blunt terms, but he was gonna lose which suggests

The trump knew all along that the big lie was, in fact a big lie, and then he was trying to break the law in order to stay in power, and it certainly seems from the filing that there's plenty more evidence where that came from the filing also referenced. The ruling from a federal judge that we talked about with Leah Litman a couple weeks ago, on the show where the judge said quote it's plausible to believe that the president entered into a conspiracy, Rioters on January, sixth, so seems like they're all taken this pretty seriously, and there are three specific crimes that are mentioned in this filing one is a conspiracy to defraud, which is why you reference there. Also an effort to obstruct inefficient progression, proceeding which is If anyone other than Congress obstructs the progression Russia proceedings if it's always been colors

an obstruction Congress for years now that, yes, if some of the German she does it does she cried, and then common law, fraud, which I think it is a great term which is just it's like run of the mill everyday, fried or other three crimes here, and it is thought that Jason Miller peace was very notable. That tromp was told that's not sort of curious what the Trump defence team these are there, but the Trump defence argument will be just that. He was too dumb and deranged to understand the evidence or care about the evidence or believe the evidence he's going to say that, like that, the campaign data expert was an idiot or something that you just didn't believe him. I'm sure That said, that's also, though, probably a lot mountain of evidence that the Trump daddy expert wasn't idiots out. So what happened? If the committee believes that Trump committed a crime, what power do they have here? They have the immense power of writing a letter to merit Garland and ask him to do something about it.

these. Are the legal authority, its criminal worth its known as a criminal? Referral they can make to the Justice Department, which is you point out, is that is a letter to the Justice Department saying that we believe Trump and potentially others have committed the following crimes, and then the Justice Department run by General Merrick Garland will decide whether to charge trump and others. So that's where the shit really hit the fan their energy is, but this has to be factored into the fact that There is a large debate among all of our favorite twitter liars about. If merit girl, it is actually investigating trumpet the people around him as part of their general six investigations. Some people look at the smoke signals with from just say: yes, they're doing it other say they are not. If they How what the committee finds would interact with the evidence compiled to date by the Department of Justice is a very interesting question. What that will mean and how they will handle that, but thus

Far too just harmonies either doing things are saying nothing and it's not it's not clear which. So we are not lawyers, we don't work in the Justice Department. So we we can't and on the legal nature of all this money, we could, but we want what we will yet. But on the politics which we can comment on like What does the bite administration do if they get a criminal referral for Donald Trump? A few months before the midterms remember, they committee has said that their report or final report will be out a couple months before the mid terms. This whole thing should be wrapped up before the fall, though they need to get it done before the big terms. Because of the way the committee is constructed, were they not finished it? The Democrats were to lose the house and gave him a growth, would become speaker. He could shut down the committee and all the right aren't so they gotta get they I get. done, and the number of Democrats He retiring suggests that the general belief inside the democratic carcasses.

Could we not one of unbridled optimum is not one of confidence that this committee will be waiting for its full authority and twenty twenty three. I mean it You can't even really wrote about the politics of this, because the thing we know for American Airlines history and how I think the Bite administration but approach. This is with a politically everyone, who has any poor, any political pointy, any sort of political. Was administration is, can we walled off from this decision making process? It will be decisions made by courier prosecutors and it done in a way that is both consistent with a case that they believe they can successfully bring to court and one that protects the reputation of independence in the just one of the last thing. Anyone once it within that building is to make it look like. This is just trump righteous

again more political investigations, more political interference, and so this will better I'm sure that new ones will come through in Fox NEWS Yes, it will be, this will be man. I mean that it's a losing battle for sure, but it's all. There are two parts of the battle. There is the public part, and then there is the dress: farmers, a building staff by career, largely micro prosecutors, who were there and democratic measures are public administrations and they have to manage that workforce as well, and if there is a whiff of political interference, I think that would be very problematic in the bill. You do their jobs. Innocent can be immensely fresh, ready to Democrats. Maybe the result will be frustrating and we will not get what we all hope will happen, but the process of getting there will be less public it'll, be

our it'll be more judicious, no pun intended than than one would hope. It's not gonna happen on a twitter new cycle for sure. I think this is brutal, because there's there's really only two headlines here, Joe Biden charges trumpet the crime or Joe Biden. Let's Trump go you know and both have enormous political challenges and neither are accurate and exactly but again, yeah you're right when I I mentioned the headlines, I'm talkin about the headlines that that people probably consume from

either rightwing media or twitter or whatever right, not the like carefully written New York Times or about this. That will inevitably come out. So it's tough- and I think you know we talked about this before, like what should Merrick Garland. Do I think you gotta follow the lie. If you think you really have a case, you charge the case and you try as hard as you can not to let political considerations and to your decision making process either political considerations in terms of always going like this president, when, after the former president or political considerations where you say, okay well, if we, if we Let him go is: are we gonna get in trouble for that to write like you just have to follow? You just have to follow the case and if you're going to charge him and you're going to charge potentially some of his coat conspirators, you want to be a case that you think that you can win. I think also write like that. Some of these you know charging people for obstructing official proceedings

congress- is not something that happens too often, it's not a very common charge, so you have to feel like you're on pretty firm legal ground before you bring the charge. I think I think this is a little bit of a UK the king, you best not miss situation. Here we are charged with a tragic Donald Trump Donald Trump with the crime, if you're the Minister. I mean that is having even politics like what that means. For Joe Biden aside, that's the one thing we know is from Trump. The twice impedes tromp is that for every crime he gets away with it. Just in commit more crimes by the jail January. Six happened because of the Senate. Republicans refusal to hold trump accountable for strong mean you deny Ukraine ironically enough, military assistance in order to try to dig up dirt on hundred by

and if you were to try lay it would strengthen trumps hand politically if the jet, by demonstrations after him and failed for sure it's all ones Freedom from the moment from gonna lighter did the first impeachment through the second impeachment through right now up into the mid terms. What we're just I mean if you I like really dig deep into the vaults here. The trumpets president, largely because one Justice Department official decided to allow ethical considerations to influence their decision to reveal thousands of one criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton. But not the criminal investigation into Donald Trump time is a flat circle Speaking of the midterms job, I'm in the White House gave us plenty of clues as to how they see the reshaping up during the president's well received state of the union address on Tuesday night. Even though they re read the speech at the last minute to start with Putin's invasion of Ukraine? The key political messages came after that. Let's take a lesson tonight. Americans live through too.

Harder shares this nation has ever faced. The pandemic he's been punished? and so many families, your loving paycheck, to paycheck struggling probably the rising cost of food gas housing more inflation. is robbing them of they thought, otherwise they would be able to feel I get it. That's why My top priorities getting prices under control. One way too, Inflation is drive down wages and make Americans poor think I'm a better idea to fight inflation low, course, not your wages. Here's the choice, make Americans poor or make them richer. I choose richer. That's good message accepted that a classic journey. My dialed do the right. That's advanced political strategy right there. No, would you think of the speech I like, I thought:

is it did exactly what is needed to do your better equipped to talk about the the writing the speech craft. You are someone whose very focused, as I know, from our text messages positions the existence of them at all, the online or lack thereof, rival, Yoda no time, Four transitions in this speech. You know I'd get for that, because it There's there are many transition. There was not awkward, and, as we were solve our problems at home, we turn our gaze of ride literally, have very close to read them Yes, I mean between the domestic and did you have moreover, this game- I d, say by the way I try to look at the speeches from the very very beginning of the process that we all went through, sometimes, which is before you STAR with any words or structure or transitions or not it's. What are the political goals? What are the strategic imperatives you were trying to drive in this speech, and I

I see a couple that I think we're probably on the whiteboard id Mcdonnel in IRAN claimed Urgencies office irreverence doing this is you know Wine is, I think that is a backup like that gave a speech. A year ago, Biden was in a low fifties today, as he gets his in the thirties. Not great what what? How had a we remind people of what they liked about Joe Biden. Lasher had a we rebuild some of those core countries, I think those were, capacity to handle a crisis. I think in particular covered the place where the fog in the greatest erosion and binds numbers is on trust to handle How do you regain some of that view of Joe Biden as someone who wants to make the economy work for you, this middle class, Joe Scranton Joad, that's been lost in this

us and how do you just like reassert the things that you like about job? I now think across those measures they achieved that freedom and they did it. I think, under what was it incredibly difficult arms has, which has all the sudden. You know, as you point out a few days before the speech, you have to rewrite it and spend what There was a third of the speech on Ukraine ravage the most important thing in the news. In and what they would move very obviously got him a lot of a bipartisan applause, but not was certainly not on the whiteboard when they sat down and figure out the speech a month ago, yeah I'll give it a gimme the speech writers. Perspective here you sit down. You have about an hour to say everything. You

need to say about all of your accomplishments, all of your policies and every single issue. Under the sun, you have a few big pieces of business if you're Joe Biden in this year's speech, inflation in the economy, the top concern of voters, top concern of the american people and every single pole, that's going to be a huge part of the speech, Covid we're still in the middle of a pandemic, hopefully coming out of the worst part of it. Now. So that's a huge piece of business in the speech they had, those two pieces of before Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Then you ve got that now you get three pieces of big business in an hour, long speech plus, he'd room for all the other shit bids by the way, really

important to people on really important to the country in the world, so I think they got an incredible amount of business done in a speech that was politically astute for them. The reasons you mentioned some there is talk about a second and I wasn't at all surprised that that viewers reacted positively, because I think it was a very politically smart speech. I think. it somewhere in that state of the union is a shorter, tighter sharper in more thematic stump speech for the mid terms, and I think that that stem speech could really hammer home the choice between a world run by rich and powerful autocrat like Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in a world of Malta racial democracies, where everyone has equal rights and equal opportunities that we would. As I was listening. That's me unlike some wherein there there's that type. Fifteen. Twenty minute speech that really lays out the choice that you know Biden did in

too much longer stay in Europe means that always true, though, is it mean the bulk of the It means that the union is the organizing principle for the White House for the year. It is where you even where for every department and with our policy ideas. It's how you development, what, if agenda in it's, how you essentially hammer and get decisions on core messaging questions going to focus on a we're to highlight b and then you have to take it, and this We didn't see about new scholarships because of Ukraine, Russia, but then what happens is the next day the president gets on a plane goes a somewhere. The west, does a memory. This always lay your least ever part. Was the cut down Are the state of the union you gonna to go? That was my favorite part. Gotta go we ever. You have retired me how to do it. You gotta go. I was tired, but here's the thing must be traders hate the state of the union because you know I got one

The landless, it's gonna, be a laundry list. It's always laundry list does not know. That's not even criticism at this point. It's just the way state of the union are. Unless you want to be. You know you want to take a risk. And do something that no one's ever done before and just are at this year, we're not going to do all the policies were just going to do twenty minutes and it's going to be awesome attic. That's that you know in, and no one has done that yet, but I do think that's what will you have when you have an hour to include every issue

under the sun. You lose the ability and they did this year, especially because of Ukraine, to tie the entire thing together with one thing, I think that's what you lose and in an hour longer dress, and I think you get that back when you cut a lot of the smaller policy stuff and develop a stump speech. That's cut down about thirty. Eight million people watch the speech. A number that's compatible to trumps final, say to the union and much bigger than the twenty seven million. Who watched Biden speak last year CNN and see BS pulled some of those viewers. After the speech and our friend, the navigator research conducted a focus group during the speech of swing, voters and soft partisan soft partisans are Democrats were registered Democrats, but you know, maybe don't always

boat or don't always vote Democrat DIN. What jumped out at you from all this research? Thirty as on its tickets, that back like the thirty million, as you point as a very good number, it's very impressive in a sort of in a world political exhaustion. Disaggregated media accelerate, but it still a hundred. Fifty nine million people voted in transport so just gives you a sense of the fraction of that in the people? Who watch, which is why these sort of instance, snap poles are misleading, is are disproportionately the supporters of the person giving The speech, and almost everyone is watching as a decided is almost essentially a decided voter democratic parties into someone. Hate watching them. Seven million people watch it on Fox on Tuesday night I don't think a lot of those people were riding with Biden if you will, but would you say that

written for Britain very there's a title we had stolen any. I think big take away from the research is twofold one? There is real power in appeal in a populist economic messages, isn't rockets I answer. We ve done this it always as it was, but the fact that a test so well I'd info she is really important. Democrats getting hammered on inflation. Is it tops every pole, so things people are concerned about it. It can. Certainly, you see voter, say the Democrats and Joe Biden, or not focus enough on inflation, the person, everything but inflation. so, if you have a message that punches back on inflation by hitting that focuses on corporate praise, gouging and corporate concentration, that can get you off that it's off your hindfoot in office- and I can do here are economist friends taking off their greener shades to look down other knows it acid play. I can't

I've, muted them all but no one is arguing and your mind is arguing that the sole cause of inflation is corporate gouging. It is that we are living in a world where corporations not just passing the costs, the increased costs under the consumer. There are using it as an opportunity to make even more money for stock by backs in corporate bonuses, and if we focus on corporations that puts republicans on the defensive, because their natural instinct is defend big business, there's your power there more broadly might take away. We need more Joe Biden when he speaks. He has the ability and power to shape the narrative in a more favourable way for himself his agenda. In Democrats, people saw They re more hopeful peoples. they're, more supportive democratic policies, people saw they thought is more focused on inflation, for reasons that are not entirely Joe Biden. Sport has a lot to do with.

media environment, just they never any costs cascade of crises. We faced by too often someone else's telling Joe Biden story and last night he had a chance to do it and is a huge argument for why he is going to have to over the coming. let's go way out of his comfort zone, to do more to be out there more to be trying to drive the news and drive the narrative and, I think What is to change the fundamentals of the political environment, but it can help on the margins adds because elections are one on the margins. Yet a few numbers stuck out at me from the navigator research, I'm picking that, even though its focus groups with a smaller number of people than CBS on CNN, but to your point earlier, these. are swing, voters or soft partisans of their. Maybe people who haven't made up their minds and probably wouldn't have a problem

wash. The speech had incorrect, hey to sit in a room to do so correct, correct, so right, track wrong track, went from nineteen percent right track. Eighty one percent wrong track before the speech to forty six. Fifty four after the speech, so big jump bear pre speech more the expected to hear about policies that will benefit people wealthier than them or poor than them post speech. More people thought the policies in the speech would benefit people just like them. They tested a bunch of attributes about Joe Biden. The biggest change was: does he stand up for the middle class? A swing of fifty four points towards Joe Biden? Does he tried to bring people together as well?

thirty four points towards Joe Biden. There's also a fifty one point swing in his ability to handle the crisis in Ukraine and then in terms of policies. The most popular part to the speech, the buy american proposals- taxing the wealthy Medicare negotiating for cheaper prescription drugs, capping insulin at thirty five dollars again, maybe not surprising to us who seen pulling like this for years and years and years, but potentially surprising to people who read. News and never hear about this stuff? Goes? It doesn't breakthrough and again it's to your point yet more Joe Biden, but that the challenge always is you know what we used to say this from Brag Obama delivered a state of the union as well. Get an hour of delivering your message,

doesn't have to go through the media filter and doesn't have to grapple with rightwing propaganda. So you get a whole staged yourself and the challenges. How do you give the president more messaging opportunities like that and not just the president but the White House, democratic, surrogates, etc, like? How do you have more opportunities to get your message out in this kind of media environment? That's the real challenge. What are the speech? Tell you about the white as his political strategy on economic issues going forward? Is this going to be just really hammer home the message on inflation from now until the mid term? I think so. I think it is a more aggressive, populist approach. on inflation and either the numbers you point out about the shifting people who think the policies benefit the middle class or people like you that, like that's the metric they at the chance, I think that is probably there looking at one thing. That, though they want to measure progress on his. the things you levers at his word:

a United Europe day. This is a verse, sessile speech. The poles are great like a week from now will be a political, more political morning. Council polls show that binds. You know it's very likely you're numbers stay, the same are barely went up in the press about what a failure but presidential was lagging indicator which you the first or the character traits, and I think that a character trade around advocacy for the middle classes critically boarded the more you can move that between now and if ever the bet, the more of a fighting chance Democrats will have a better, was also helpful there. In the section on inflation, they really basically narrowed. The entire build back. Better agenda are ip to just like four points: lower the cost of prescription drugs and health insurance lower the cost of energy by five hundred dollars a year for families through investments in clean sources of power. This at the climate change part lower the cost of child care and then pay for all this by raising taxes on people making over four hundred thousand dollars and making sure the big corporations pay their fair share. Pretty pretty simple, pretty straightforward, extremely pop

are you go out, and you say that message everywhere: it's It can have an impact, but then, of course, there's your mansion who told you to go after the speech first, he was like sort of given his typical hard to decipher annoying comments, and then he sat down with Burgess Everett politico to really talk about what is willing to do and he did say he is willing to still willing to cut a deal on an economic package that increases taxes on the rich. allows Medicare to negotiate for cheaper prescription drugs and then uses half of those savings to lower the deficit and the other half to fund the climate change and child care. Portions of Widens agenda: how did invite and other democratic should handle mansion on this, knowing that, of course, he could drag his feet and changes mind twenty more times before they actually get a a bill past? Let's, let's put aside the sort of abject political and policy stupidity,

spending money on deficit reduction at this point in time of Vienna, where we re, let s performative stupid stuff, but today the price of getting this bill and that's a price worth paying yeah. That's what I think the Democrat, which is why the way the integration of this is, They should have a bunch of private conversations with your mention that hopefully cares and cinema. They can find her and try him Do not talk about a publicly do not raise expectations, do not to events about it. Just like I all uses I wouldn't say this, but but your mission sort. S case narrow. Was we passport back better? Be enough? extreme dollars of really important spending childcare thing else, but in their current form Joe Mansion has killed,

bill back better Ninos German did not use that word when he did his event. After said the union, he did not have to back better message behind hind him for the first time is: let's take that gift and come up with something else that is created for this moment in time or inflation, Is everyone's focusing this cost cutting bill? That also saves the planet and upload. Jakarta seems perfect, though details, a figure out therein dimensions can be really annoying and slob. In this process, but if you can get something done here, that would be a huge boost politically substantively you, I think, there's an inside outside strategy here, the inside strategies, exactly what you just said. You keep your negotiations with mansion and cinema and the rest of the Kok is quiet. You don't talk a lot about you not raising relations with the outside strategy is Joe Biden and other Democrats running in the mid terms, go out to the country and say this is our plan to fight inflation, like Joe Biden did in the state of the union and let's make sure that we have a congress after the mid terms, they can get that done and then, if it happens before them terms great.

but like I just ignore the whole, ignore the fact that there are negotiations going on. No one really cares about that. There's not a lot. The people can do to influence that right now it just up to Joe Mansion and the Democrats in Congress, but that doesn't mean that you can't go out as a candidate and say this is what the Democrats planners what's the Republicans plant and that's the choice in the midterms after button spoke about Putin's invasion of Ukraine is plans to fight inflation. The stated the pandemic he had too quickly take through every important issue from criminal justice reform and voting rights to immigration and algae BT rights. One of the more notable parts is what he said about crime. Here's a clip we should all agree. The answer is not to define the police is too the police, wonder for neighbourhood resources, training, research,

then freely. They need to protect our community resources in training. Well, known applause, What do you think he said that or a really emphasise that a couple times he adverbs a couple, a couple fund. The police's mean it is an interesting strategic choice to do so, and I know that it was the right one, but let me at least make what I think is through the emilius explain what I think the strategic rationale for doing it was we know that the term defined the police, Construed by the right wing media, in its most pejorative sense, is one of the least popular political policies in the country. We know that Republicans have successfully branded a whole as Democrats from Joe Biden not down as supporters of defunding police when they do not support. That is a false allegations and I don't want to get back into the gray

a see Abigail Spam, Burger Conor, Lamb near tie. Debate of November twenty twenty about what role it played in twenty one, a right and by thank you, but we know that he played a role and research? Nonsense? Electorate has shown. they some research issue, some evidence that it was particularly problematic with black and latino Democrats And so you can see why correcting the false impression that Democrats, support from the police is important and then you say your goodbyes and you're, giving your biggest speech of the year. Here's your chance to do it You do sort of know that It is a moment that will involve conflict. Republicans will say: you're Fulla shit. People in your party will not about it. The press is obsessed with, it will generate conversation and so you're sort of leveraging the presses addiction,

to make it get more attention, and so that's what I think was the it's a high profile moment you try to solve what people believe is correct, a false impression about democratic policies and they took advantage of it and I think it had the effect they probably intended, because you- and I are talking about it right now- I think you know some people might ask. Why not just leave this phrase in this debate in the past it was something that was argued round between twenty election. I think the reason he brought it up is it at the beginning. section. He talked about crime, yes, people what their top concerns are: economy, inflation or faraway number one. Now Ukraine is up. There is well enough. You know in a lot of these poles crime is the third fourth fifth issue. The people care a lot about right. Now again, we can argue other. That's a perception, whether its real it's, what how people feel about crime right now and you know

in the navigator research in the in the focus groups that clip that we just heard from the police got a huge jump from independent, liberal and conservative, leaning voters, but it with liberal leaning voters who ready at the most pause, we at eighty five percent- and this goes back to- I think- we're tired with this before there is a pupil late fall about this forty seven percent of all adults say that funding. for policing should be increased in their area. Only fifteen percent say should be decreased. That includes a majority of black Americans. Seventy six percent of whom would rather increase funding or keep it the same versus twenty three percent, who had rather reduce funding for policing in their area. Again, we should have hold and tired other policy discussion about. Does increasing funding for policing actually help reduce crime lot of evidence to suggest that it does not, but you have a bunch of people in this country, a majority who,

are a little more concerned about crime and and do not want to reduce funding for police in their area at a time where they are concerned about crime. Now where was the Joe Biden Democrats had a more confident forward, looking message where they talk about what they're going to do about criminal justice reform and reforming police departments potentially so that they are not a killing black Americans? Yes, of course, but clearly they in that speech, Biden and his strategies are trying to respond. Rising concerns about crime in this country and to reflect where public opinion is, which is certainly not in a place where people, a majority of people, white or black, want to reduce funding for policing at this time. To the extent, I think that there was a mistake or something they could have done better in that situation. It would have been to pare that statement. Wet

more forceful call for Yet Orange Floyd police Reform ACT for targeting just more compassionately about lives and split in police reform, and all we have asked the Prince s present minded throughout that campaign, particularly during you know, in the aftermath of the murders of George Foreign, among others, by as I just we also now this process. Where since I am sure that there is probably a paragraph with that in their that somehow ended up not enough in the final cap aid, but that that I think would have made it a more effective move. You and you still could do both right. You that your parents, together, for why do you think he didn't mention some of the Republicans favorite cultural issues like banning books or or forward, is don't say, gay law he did mention. Protecting the rights of Trans kids but die, he didn't get into a lot of the other republican favorite culture. Where issues I think there are two factors. First want to space right. I think that ultimately

the you lose a lot when you have to dedicate a third of the speech to the russian mission. So how much of thanks are they ve were in in the original copy prior to the invasion fell out, and this is more than one of them. The other one is Biden tended to in both broadly in in this speech, so revolt wide these cultural wedge issues that is consistent with his political persona. Over many years. I tend to think in this instance. It it's a mistake. I think the republic, the Dante, gave all the the laws on book banning are huge political vulnerabilities report,

only the people of all our abilities if democratic highlight them take advantage of them. It may be that maybe he felt this baby, he will do that in the developed. This speech was not the place to do that. He will do that on the campaign trail going for, but I think we absolutely have to weapon eyes. The republic is cultural war against them. We believe that parents and teachers should decide which books are taught in our class from not politicians in Washington because of that here that there's there is way you're totally right about just things falling out, because it's an hour. Psych completely have sympathy for that. But I made that point just emphasise that, like you, don't always need to say in theirs upon, Republicans who are for banning books above a lie in the middle of a state of the union which feels we're in the chamber. You can still deliver the head in a more oblique way. That still shows that you are on the side of not banning books in school.

Did. This is like always that this is like probably way more insight best when and where there is always the dilemma in writing a fit these things, which is, if you I do not know if you are where this is happened. He viewed provide context. What's the point of running contact? takes too long, or is that sort of appropriate or doesn't feel right in? speech, so you can say that line about teachers. We do in this like that. What matters and people know what's going on, but is really informing anyone, so I can sort of feel that the land then how you do that, but just to put it the media, We'll give you that we will give the out of the context of their report. It that's a veil. A light touch goes a long way because the media guess what you're talkin about, but you're right people who were just watching the speech might not but just to get. I just think of the book things some perspective now. Navigator has a pull out. This morning, a book bands and sixteen percent support banning some because they talk about race in seventy six percent oppose and when I e, when your opponent is doing so opposed by seventy six percent of the public. You gonna

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personally invasion of Ukraine over. To go So it's always been part of the mixed for the state of the union. We approached the state, but once where's. The Russians actually the invasion became a larger and larger part, and so. we made a decision to take the Ukraine part of his speech and moved to the very front? to make it a little bit longer part of the state of the union and that I want to change the beginning change the focus change the offices at the front, everywhere. Just a kind of compressed rested speech tonight you have a go too long early as its focus you always, you know state of the union? Is it's always a work in progress? For the ninth, he's your time when the present gets up there but a little more people I am all the more so this time, perhaps than than others but I thought it all came together very very well. I hope the president the great. Delivering it, and I think that

we made a strong message on Ukraine and still were able to deliver what we needed to deliver on the domestic agenda on moving forward on the economy on Covid on crime and things other people wanted to hear about. Oh and sixty four hundred words, which I will say is very impressive. Someone who's done. The word count on many of these, but I will get so in that frustration. The president talked about how he is imposed. Your economic sanctions on Russia, some publicans. Saying that would really heard their economy in ability to fight this war is ending oil and gas imports? If Russia continues to escalate are energy sanctions on the table will join We start from the premise that the goal is to cripple the russian economy, not trouble the american economy, I think we need to be very careful about how these sanctions work.

Are they sensitive look? This is the largest set of sanctions, that of arab implied against a large country. It's hard to sanction of very large country is interconnected. Will the common they ve been successful in doing Castro. the damage to the russian economy, because we build coalition of countries that, participate in all agreed to imply these sanctions. And put. Our european allies includes A kingdom includes Japan and Russia. Canada foresaw a wide array of countries, as always we go for. We need to keep that unity. The unity is what makes the sanctions work, and I God that's the first principle why are you know you look at the damages? Actions have done deficit. endeavoured to the rules, Hundred ten roubles to the dollar now sought me It has an open for days in Russia, as they say the economic damage. If everyone, together, what

you get to these sanctions on on oil and natural gas? It gets more complicated and keeping everyone together. That's the first ones. The point is what you do I do as do anything the dries up. The price of gas even more cause them whenever gas Putin is able to sell. He just makes much running selfless gas makes as much money. So look at this very carefully. We're trying to keep the allies together, we're trying to make sure that we don't do things of harm american consumers. Do them. Some damage, the Putin and his oligarchs, so that That's all! That's our focus right! Even in best of times these steady and processes along winding road. It includes a gazillion issues, a tour of the world, but it always. Begins with wine theme around what is the one thing that the president wanted to communicate? The american people are sent about himself for his agenda. The one take way for the people. Who did my speech that the vote you will want them? she did want to share with them. Why

Look, I think a big seem in this speech. Last night was unity and it had begun, with unity, and it ended with you. I began with the fact that we put gotta. This incredible coalition of countries are united, our allies united wide Ray of international partners to bring these sanctions against Russia. and it ended in an end we by large Donald Trump aside by law, Democrats and Republicans have I've. Gotta come together around that agenda of tackling this crisis in the speech. Any was a discussion of unity on the domestic front. What are the issues we are Democrats and Republicans can't find common ground and move forward. one things like fighting opium, its dealing with mental health dealing with the women access. Social media companies have on mental health helping our veterans I am fighting cancer, and so I think I think you really was a central theme in the speech I asked think what there's no getting around the fact that semantics aside how we know

The economic issues are, important voters. We know that when people associate the president, the Democrats with success on the economy party does well when they don't, our party doesn't use well. So I think a second key theme with speech was delivering a strong economic message about this. Firstly, how an economy and acknowledging the problems we have with inflation. Will do about it. So I think unity is a big thing, but the economy is a big part of the core content to the speech. Speaking of unity, Senator imagine today made subdues where he indicated a willingness to re enter negotiations. Whatever that means around a package that would include raising taxes. Preparations and having Medicare negotiate prescription drugs. Two things the president has supported as part of a larger, but I'd better get. there would then use that money split. Fifty fifty, I think, by his language between deficit reduction in climate spending, There's something present blindness

Winter is a good idea. Are you leaving us right now the had immediately to the house, but to try to hammer out the details here? What do you say? others Look, I think we're always open. Conversations of people were how we can move forward parts the agenda here an hour, Et Cetera mentioned hardware. Today are critical aspects of the agenda. For the present last night said: the attacks This is an important objective of Inga was one of the big applause lines: speechless. I know one thinks the tax system is fair. The wicked fixed That would be a big achievement we have to deal with the climate crisis is one of the most. or things we have to do, we'll tell you guys you guys, I know we're doing style groups, acid, Looking at it on the part of the speech, the time addressing prescription drugs and the high prices corruption, drugs related, with a wide array of voters, I think, is very poor, awful ideas on the table there. We also have to talk to all the Democrats in the Senate. Worrying every single one of the fifty two have a path forward.

but I am encouraged by Senator Mansion talking about this today, and I think I think it just shows what the press illustrate last night- that there is a way to move. These big ideas forward. So one of the most common questions that we get from listeners about, the president is whether he'll take action to provide student debt relief. I know he said that he'd sign legislation cancelling up to ten thousand dollars worth. I know the Department of Education has drafted a legal memo about whether the President has executive authority to cancel debt on his own. What's stopping you guys, from either releasing that memo, or at least summarizing its findings. What I think the press it's going to look at We should do us do that. four The pause expires were, will extend the pause, matting Joe I'm right now is the only present history or no, paid understood loans for the entirety of his presidency. Answer

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when a shares in Norway, bad punishing with you, the producers of sea mistakes, John, did not go, get the reactions and then read them on a scale of one to four politicos, John and Dan. Are you ready so ready? Ok, so you didn't wise speech job by this Q kid who needs insulin to come to the state of the union. In a section of the speech, I was about drug prices and health care it. Was this kid's birthday the day before and send you an invite him violence? happy birthday. So with that contacts, but rather club young kid who has suffers from the diabetes and needs, but his insolent love that, but again, even there was Miss moment for humanity right. The president says- and it was his birthday yesterday, while than clue seeing happy birthday That's what we do. They have a human moment

What a monster Joe Biden is, wishing this kid a happy birthday without breaking into song in the middle of his hour long speech, fucking Monster John down any gases as to who said that it on our work programme. I know someone the eight you gotta do we both I care about who I talked about the shit. Do we text about this dance? Of course, we did Of course it is perfect, but now that was former Whitehouse pressing her Terry Dana Perito on, I should honour the fox The fact is, the thing was Tucker Duggar Correct. It was darker, I'm worried about your memory, because I think your main your text,

was about Tucker, not o nodding along ass. She had recovered his eye. We really even tiger those as too, but you just like yeah yeah. That makes sense again, because the inner the full play book is for some one who came up with a take that was just specifically designed to trigger people as much as possible. I think that hers was just stupid, stupid thing to say something to give it three three politicos and not the and not the full play back just because I don't the intention was behind it. I think she's, just dumb, I she gets a one for me. It's just stood. There doesn't make a lot of centuries confused Congress with Chile's like no one is bringing out a browning Candle in it for like it makes it just is dumb, even trying hard enough to get multiple politicos idea. I personally would what and see in Joe Biden start singing happy birthday and the state of the union.

We would have a memorable. I mean she's she's right that it would have been a member of a moment for sure everybody we give this can at present. Doug M half was right there we were the first balloons by a cake, Jill, Joe Biden, mutilation didn't he should have jumped out of a cake to start this trip. We must move on to some highlights lights of the wide coverage of spaces, as the two partner for us is a fact for the New York Times during the speech, bite and said quote our accounts. We created over six point five million new jobs. Last year, more jobs created. one year than ever before in the history of America, the timeframe is partially true, because I remain only started. Collecting data on died in eighteen, thirty, nine, a pause there. Any reactions to that fact check. Fucking do webs,

damn you give a more thought. I used on you I mean, as a speechwriter, you have a very. address relationship with overlay aggression, for decades exact checkers. So I understand that a look, what we can take it back. What are we really now. Can we were no without with certainty anything. Isn't everything partially true is math real its history are we already living in the matrix that there is a serious case about how this level affecting actually aids this information, because it so's distrust and institutions which creates backing for this information, but this is stupid and I give it three politicos

Here we have the, I just want to speak up for yes, yes, the speechwriters have always had a contentious relationship with the White House. Researchers as they affect check our speeches, and they point out. Inconsistency is just like this one, but you know what love them, love him so much that Cody Keenan who took over for me as she's speechwriter married Christen by baloney, who was the better The research department is, though, you know who is backed all of my box and is super, and I actually hurrahs series of outbreaks. Then I will share at some point with some of the most amazing fact: checks yeah, I had some pretty amazing facts do but again back to back to this. I give this ay. I give us like two politicos, because it was just some factual and doing but the New York Times who couldn't help them. Part. Two is a live. Tweed fact: tat from a conservative pounded who said quote this six

twenty five million new jobs line is a total. Why we still having regained all the jobs, we had embarked twenty twenty when a disastrous lockdown stop it jobs just not count. Why? Who is that idiot and gases? and his clay Travis horse and always to just interview President Trump an amazing he, your former coworker, didn't it wasn't your boss There are lots of work at box words. I said Miss your matter. He asked it all back my comments about play, Travis, but not a fan the I must go to the last. Take I really wrestled with putting this one in or not it's kind of shock jockey. in our John and dad sometimes see the taking that they don't know what's coming in this segment. Sometimes

on Twitter. As a Democrat, Dana Primo Club, I confirm aforehand that they had not seen this and Oliver production staff has seen it so now there have to hear it, and I am sorry to the audience you do too cold play club started talking about the pandemic, and this is where the wise begin, because when you are the president of the United States- and I ve had the worst fourteen months of any president of the United States ever ever, I mean Abraham, Lincoln. a full scale insurrection on his hands in the beginning of his administration thousand caused by Abraham, Lincoln everything that has happened over the last fourteen months is a completely self inflicted wound. Joe Biden is the current cobain of politics. He put it, in the mouth of the american body Politic and then pulled the trigger and the brains are on the wall. Oh, my, Then the boys is a giveaway there. You gimme the dulcet tones of bench, a bureau. Yes, what the that wasn't even

you're right? It was shocked jockey because it wasn't there so many problems with the metaphor. You know like not to get into that because you know me do but he's like AEGIS, set it to be a fuckin asshole, yet manoeuvres. Horrible idea- and I am mad at you for That was my life is not often that, like terrible shit happens in the internet, I managed to miss it and then hear you come you force. You forced fed me that take, and I am not happy about it now and again. You know we're Benjamin. one cells are to be laid off. What a horrible person for doing that, and how could he in Irish it was just dumb? Was dumb Tibet, bad metaphor? Not what are you doing? You're an idiot trying to troll us and we're not yea restraining tools, and he didn't do very well zero you get a zero

You get a zero because we do not acknowledge your take you take as unacknowledged here. I don't acknowledge the Tec baroness canker, do you guys want to talk about the truck, tired and crane interview? That happened right after a comment for that? This was the view of the club. I don't the car taxes that, right after the stated, a Union Todd Wednesdays him analysis need scientific respond, not again Ukraine and he said How do you think the Ukrainians responded and listen we bought at speech. Yes, speech to Joe Biden speech in the corresponding sat there preoccupied Right now they have russian troops in your country trying to take over their land. I just thought I mean again Dante the Czech intentionally meant that put it so Washington Brained, be like yeah. These people who were hiding in the subway right now is the Russians bomb, their country or probably likely

someone someone pull a bite and state of the union address. When a percent of the? U S, electorate, watch speech. We talk about a flag in bubble, the corresponding also pointed out that bind us be started at five. I am Ukraine time that was probably it was probably the time difference whether one gonna wash it they're gonna watch on tape. Delay waiter like of course, of course, like any democracy lever, would man good round as a good round yeah thanks report. and I'm sorry I you did. This is your job. This is your job. Sometimes tough beg you to Eliza for wonderful, undertake a procedures, and thank you, too. Why does she for staff run clean for joining us have a great we can, and we will talk to next week by everyone pod save America is a crooked media production, the executive producer, is Michael Martinez. Our senior producer Andy gardener Bernstein are produced,

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