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you'll crimes involving Donald Trump, that the New York Times broke over the weekend.
Like ancient history now, but it was just Saturday, I believe
we all remember when russian officials close to Putin offered dirt on Hillary Clinton to Don Junior Don Junior, doesn't remember it has at least under oath he eagerly
set at a meeting with them that was held with and Paul Manafort and from tower on July. Twenty, sixteen, the topic of which he
His father then lied to the country about will now we know,
a month later a month after that meeting
Junior, had another meeting and from tower with another group of foreign agents who also offered its interfere in our election in order to help Trump
when this time the meeting was set up by war, mercenary Eric Prints,
than emissary to the princes of Saudi Arabia in the United Arab Emirates, as well as an enrich, as well as in Israeli who, basically cell social media, manipulation for living and offered to do so for the Trump campaign. The new Yorker
his peace as the Dun Junior approved. Of all of this, though, he denies that in a statement
and the emissary that to help set up the meeting. George Nator is now cooperating with smaller in the Trump investigation and Mahler is looking
to the whole meeting guys would you think of this story. One quick note gives this very soon.
This story and set of issues, but it's so funny the Trump tweeted that it was a long and boring started his Rita, where they, like that's funny
the term itself, but he identity our anxiety, I'll be out of the ground. Don't even honestly unseen, save yourself the time you will fall asleep, my summaries more, I'm more even tell you it's boring or do anything about don't even bother like, I think,
Dan made this point last week about women.
Campaign was sent bushes briefing, but the only answer to get
This kind of offer come in to you is to refer to the FBI. That's the only appropriate response, because it illegal to accept foreign money and support to win an election. It's also just crazy.
Take this meeting in August before another,
It speaks their desperation. It speaks of that fact.
Serious, and they really wanted help in whatever form was being offered.
Dont Junior is obviously a moron, but he's like a valuable Trump family surrogate. So he should have been out stumping
or or whatever, but
You know. Instead use he accepting a meeting where massive amounts of money are being floated to manipulation
Two million dollars got paid to this israeli firm
for we don't know what we do
don't know what my favorite
The revealing real quote. You need to know from the whole piece and because, as Donald Trump said, it was too long for him to read. Is this
People are familiar with the meeting said that Trump campaign officials did not appear bothered by the idea of cooperation that has no share kidding no share it. Some
it's a very shitty remake
oceans. Eleven knows what's gonna like going from like they dislike,
Now Don juniors hit the road he's mean with the. U s: he's he's mean with the Russians. He's
together, ragtag team deal american democracy and
No! I dont junior year, your cluentius, but you know what I got it also
It also a bad. It's like a bad,
Unbelievable villain, Eric Prince, is,
literally leads. A private army he's a mercenary who, whose black water his company led to such
unbelievable problems in Iraq that its unconscionable that is presented what they do just for people who don't know that their there, like a private military contracting for so that they meet others. Private military contractors provide a lot of security in war zones. That's not that
abnormal, but I mean his guys like me
got up. An intersection did a whole bunch of really bad things in Iraq that led to enormous challenges for the United States government that the deal with
like how did he get involved with the trunk crew? What who, how did he's fucking people find each other seas, his sisters, Betsy device? So he is, I assume,
but that's like he was their first confusing the campaign. I dont it all started with a cocktail party hosted by Mark PAN Banks for Europe in the hill you fucking Asshole were who's paying ever Tommy
these middle eastern countries, but Saudi Arabia?
in the: U S e want to help Donald Trump. What was their motivation? I think it's a few there's price.
Pieces of it one. They all hated the IRAN deal and Hillary Clinton obviously was part of a team and negotiate Randy owed. Stick to it. They
despise it and they despise any effort to serve normalize relations between the Eu S in the west with IRAN and to bring them into the community.
But it's also broader that they have a deeply confrontational
dance towards IRAN towards the Muslim Brotherhood
hey did Obama for you, no standing with the protesters during the era.
Spring. They view that as a direct threat to their power, because all these places are like one spark away from igniting,
and so you know, my speculation is that they decided to go all in for the guy
who loves, authored authoritarian dictators cause. He basically is. Why can we not to mention the hypocrisy of these minutely, these people, who were autocratic rulers of middle eastern countries, meeting with the campaign whose primary policy proposal was a muslim, bad.
I mean it's just I'm a fucking believable. Another reason this meeting as being important is that we also find out that during the transition, Eric Prince then sense up sets up that meeting in the Seychelles with
George Nadir in russian oligarchy to try to set up a back channel communication between the Trump people and Putin. Right, I mean the rich
like. So those of it, of course, there's a Russia connection to also George Nator, who was in this meeting, went to Russia twice during the twenty six campaign to campaign to meet with russian government officials to
which mothers also looking, and I think all of us are three
us have sort of
gotten brought into the conspiracy and been too believes the craziest theories. Like you, I reread the store yesterday on the on the plane and like they're, just so many pieces of this. What you are saying is nadir,
was representing these arab leaders and then he also visited Moscow twice during the campaign and he arranged the Seychelles meeting, but they didn't, they didn't push these people out. Who came to them with this crazy suggestion they
brought them in and they met with a more and more and jeered cushioned, restarted meeting with him and Eric Prince during the transition, and they got,
the close, and then it looks like
prince lied about it under oath when he was before the House Intelligence Committee,
I mean that must not yet looks like it to anyone who just reads the transcript rare. So a lot of people are not being straightforward about basic facts like did not from camping a lot of guys zine. A lot of people are not being straight for basic guidelines aimed at some point. We get my registering, and I think that you know you see
people, shop and multiple places- and it's hard to know are these: are these into
these meetings connected to each
their or they only connected by virtue of the fact that you had multiple people kind of just
running individual scams and then try to bring them to Donald Trump. There you see
he's transcripts are reports of conversations between, like Michael CALL and and and NATO and others, and it's always like. I can't bring this to the boss, and you know it it's bait, some.
Juniors the same way. You feel that that these are people all out out their operating to try to bring him good news to try to bring, in things
look. What I did look, what I made is not a reorganization, it is like a crime organization, and- and so you see, people pop up in other places,
not sure of the strings connects horizontally of their only connect vertically in the map
strings. I making I mean I haven't made, but it's like these string
connect to the worst case scenarios. This is not just like Don Junior making a couple: extra million NATO,
Was trying to get the Saudis to pay to build
in dollars to send a private army. To Yemen I mean these are like billionaires
intervening in major foreign policy challenge and its and it's a group of
unscrupulous, neophytes being taken advantage of by countries and an entities and people who have lost
stemming motivations and interested. They view Trump as someone who can be as someone who could be a vehicle for them, which is what turn
to be true, and here we see the way that that Trump has been
obsequious to the Saudis during that during his his time in office. The only reason it doesn't get more play is because he so obsequious with the Russians. So
jeez what a coincidence
a bunch of authoritarian all around the world saw one of their own, possibly about to become president I'd states and decided that they wanted to help him out carried out. I'm really. I want it with other theory to that
You're here on the right, but you hear it among, like the Pandit set in Washington once in awhile, which is the Trump people, were too stupid in disorganized to collude disagree. I think this is bullshit. I agree, of course, that they are very stupid, but you don't need to be superbly,
to be taken advantage of by all these corrupt goons, all around the world that are offering you argument that the Trump organization you said, a regulation that would do anything to make money and to win, and what I mean yes, there too stupid there too stupid.
Not get caught, which they're getting caught right now.
Playing by the rules, requires being smart and diligent and sophisticated
not playing by the rules, all
to do is either not know or not care about the rules and when you're this desperate that they, the entire
world, including Donald Trump and his family, and everyone in the campaign thought the he was going to lose overwhelmingly this point, so they were desperate and that's
makes after they bring these guys. In and they accept these crazy hare brained ideas and then they think wealth.
Lose. There's no scrutiny anyway. So it's no big deal editor relationship and there's money in it for agriculture, and yet
exam weren't, they weren't thinking that they were going to the. Why have they were thinking that they are going to lose? The Donald Trump would be head of
movement now and then he'd make a lot of money out of it and when you think about that- and you realize that they they didn't expect to win, it starts making sense why they were so
flagrant in committing all these potential crimes and they don't all need to fit
gather into one master plan. These are I or Tunis things pop up meetings, connections,
beget connections, and they they they take me
to take another meeting they go here. They go there they're, trying Nestor, trying that all of these things
up to multiple kinds of crimes in an improper acts and and and and decisions, but they don't have to be
to be a document. Where was like step, one gets. The sound is on board step to go to the sick. She held, they don't need. You didn't, doesn't need to be a master plan for it all to add up to a bunch of different crimes. David client is in
petty journalists on Twitter he's, summed it up well, when asked about the story he set foot. This is why focusing
only on russian interference misses the real story, which is that the Trump campaign would take money and support
anywhere the real problem is globalized. Corruption and at the centre of the global has corruption is the Trump organism guys hacked elections. Saudi princes pride
militia forces like boring, snooze alert might get out of here so that if the other other crimes last week, the special councils team issued subpoenas to two different people close to Roger
stone who had advanced knowledge of hacked emails in the face of all this rug,
down, went on NBC, meet the press on Sunday and told Chuck Todd. He is prepared to be indicted,
Robert Mahler- that's good for him, but he added he thinks it's not inconceivable. That Mahler and his team would conjure up some
extraneous crimes pertaining to his business
So, basically, this is the new. Now it started
Roger Stone, but I guarantee this is going to spread to Donald Trump and the rest of the trunk grew by the end of this whole thing is that it used to be like
collusion. Isn't it isn't your crime, the new one will be. It's not a crime unless it's collusion,
that's their heading dynamic money,
wandering obstruction of justice. Perjury wire fraud
fraud, all these things they may guilty of hate, it was inclusion, so doesn't count as a crime, extraneous crimes extraneous grabs itself when it will read what it's also like. This is none of your business. These aren't these aren't crimes related to the ceiling of democracy. Who cares? These are my crimes that I can. I think I arrived as these are my crimes I did in my own time I was. I was on that with my day this thing day off crimes,
this into the into the alternative fact: Korean Conway Lexicon of just perfect extreme
his crimes, none
these guys cared Wayne investigations into the Clinton's led pet down past around expected. When the investigation began that generally, how investigations go, I get that they feel under siege. They feel
frustrated that this isn't immediately spelling out some evidence of collusion
but I'm sorry you're, a scummy businessman, Roger Stone. This is not anyone's, follow,
years. None of these people had businesses built for the scrutiny of the of a special plea
computer, like Robert Mahler, you know you Michael Cohen,
that was in New York
breeding insurance scams and like trying to make money off taxi medallions at all. The son he's got like the most sophisticated in
alligators like up his up his business cut and that he's like I'm, not ready for this cuz. I read you a quote tweet that might become just the problem today is, if you don't watch the news on television, cable and or read the newspaper you're uninformed. If you do
watch the news on television such cable and or read the newspapers, your misinformed, so
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So here's where things start to get a little scary
Wait, what now we're just having fun with international crimes? Notices gets here
Sunday, the pressing eight states, announced that she'll be teaming up with, has Republicans to sabotage the investigation into his own misconduct and potentially his own crimes. Of course, he's been trying to do
for quite a while now, but the tweet last night.
And then I was quote- I hear
by demand, which, as everyone knows, is how you issue a presidential directive. He thinks he learned use russian relating in George Orwell's paper. I'm here I demand and will do so officially. Tomorrow that the Department of Justice
look into whether or not the FBI, Slash D, o J infiltrated or surveillance trump campaign for political purposes, and if any such demands are requests were made by people
within the Obama administration. What is he talking about? Why does he
the FBI idea J infiltrators, her veil, the Trump campaign. What he's referring to
Our news reports that an FBI Slash CIA source, former Reagan, official turned academic was tasks by the FBI. To go, have coffee, essentially with Trump campaign staffers like Papadopoulos, up less deceive: you get them to talk about evidence of collusion with the Russians. That is. That would be part. I assume of account or intelligence investigations which would not be designed to target trump in any way. It would be designed to protect trump in the event that people who are working for him had been co opted by russian people, foreign intelligence agencies. So
you know so that that's the two series of stories he's talking up what he's doing is is crossing a bright red line where he is telling the d a j which is supposed to be independent, and these are established. Norms have been in place since Watergate to investigate some one, and we have been so we're bunch of boiled. Frogs Donald Trump crosses
and every day, but this is a huge huge red line and the fact that it kind of just gets washed into the mix of stories is really frightening. I mean we just have to start to say this again and just go through the facts calmly here, because they have the Republicans in the House and Donald Trump and Fox NEWS had been trying to tell us now for a full year that the mullah that that that this investigation into Donald Trump was started for political purposes by a bomb on Clinton. Whenever this started this counter intelligence investigation started because George pop adopt less afore
policy adviser on the Trump campaign got drunk in London and told an australian ambassador thee. He had heard from a Russian that the russian government had hacked and stolen democratic emails, which we know is true and then pop up less light about this later to federal investigators, which is why now he's a cooperative witness
Mother and his plead guilty yeah. All that is how that is to say in theirs
a bunch of other strands of intelligence that led the CIA, the FBI,
now by everyone- agrees that Russia interfered with the election to help them
Trump, the CIA, the FBI, Oliver
elegance agencies, Republicans in the Senate Democrats and spend it every
it agrees with this except the house, Republicans the Fox NEWS Apparatus and Donald Trump. Everyone also lets. Isn't it
of simple set of facts related to the way. Both the democratic and republican campaigns were be
investigated during the twenty sixteen election on the republic inside. They were carefully deal diligently secretly trying to find out whether the trunk
pain had been infiltrated in some way by by foreign agents by by foreign government, and they kept it a secret and they protected the trunk campaign from any public rebuke or any public speculate.
About it. In fact it got. It was so secretive that then, your time,
managed to report something that,
totally untrue that there was no connection that they didn't view them as being a connection to Russia or collusion.
At the same time, the FBI was publicly declaring
They were actively investigating the Clinton campaign and Hillary Clinton the end they.
And had the they out
least a bunch of information about an ongoing investigation. Talk about
opening the investigation sang her.
And by publicly talking about the fat
but she was under. Investigation of the campaign was under investigation days before the election. So all of this boils down to
a claim by Republicans that the FBI was by
against Donald Trump, as the best be I protected. Donald Trump and
basically Tanya Harding,
Clinton in the days before the election. If anyone in any one in the FBI or Obama's Department of Justice or anyone wanted to sabotage don't trumps campaign, it would have, it would have required a single call to a single reporter, revealing that they were surveillance, that they were looking at the time
campaign that they thought that there was russian interference, that there was gonna, be a fine, a warrant on Carter, paid any
the things that we now not one calling as people who
Jim Combeferre, Louise Merrick police work at about one fucking call could have ended the Trump campaign and hopefully, could become present. So they were true
sabotage, the Trump campaign they fucking did a badge.
Yeah, terrible terrible on war servitors. Ever you look at this and use a guy's where's, the sabotage are right. We really could use some sabotage about Bout October. Twenty sixteen puts it
it was so frustrated about it again, it was like he he's keys, cooking up
sort of like misinterpreting new information, to pretend like there's something the various in the story
and like he has no choice but to demand action, but this is
This is the Saturday night massacre in in in plain sight and its happening on,
twitter again and there is this
right wing media ecosystem that just goes along with anything Donald Trump says and
we have not figured out more broadly, like the press corps generally Washington in general. How to deal with
kind of abuse of power. In plain sight, again like this was like leaked out because he called over to tee o j it'll be a blockbuster scandal. It happens on twitter and, like we just kind of role with it, while as parliamentary so angry about this is what we just went through this a couple months ago, with the release the memo bullshit
and I was looking in the list of all the theories that definiteness and the Fox people and Trumpet
try to dream up about why this with some sabotage the Trump campaign and FF
it- was that Obama Wiretap Trump Trump claimed that ended up being refuted by trumps own Justice Department, that that wasn't it
then it was the newness unmasked controversy. Remember Susan Rice Unmasked, a bunch of people, though, about the Republicans
in the House and the Senate, so that their zero evidence of wrong doing in the unmasked scandal
and it was the release. The memo thing that the five worn on Carter page was wrong that
completely legal and proper. The up every one else decided that their passports and Republicans and now
now we're dealing with this again that some informant you know screwed up the whole fucking thing and that's gonna, be proven wrong to how many more times do we have to do like anymore. Tentative. Do this before the press realises that every time
something comes out of Devon Newness, his mouth. It's a lie. It's hard to figure out just how much to freak out when Donald Trump does
take this. Ultimately, it's a really big deal. Obviously he has no replies are apparently
It depends on what happens today, neighbour, according ass, we don't know but got go. Nowhere does it depends on what happened today. It depends on what happens at just parent depends on what Ravenstein does, but part of it is. That
as we ve been through this so many times, and you have Donald Trump, which is a cut who s? Who
twitter does a combination of should have mumbling id spilling of his thoughts, plus strategically placed
attacks to try to kind of muddy the waters plus threats like this, which ultimately either sort of
fizzle out or get watered down or get you know, get put through the the kind of
house like cut him down, but still let him do his terror
old norm, violation stuff, but just a little bit less wouldn't get through it. We just you it party
Is that we ve seen Donald say these
crazy things so many times, and it just hurt the system advice,
let the norms and then the kind of the church
of the mother stuff continues. It all keeps moving. It's like it's a kind of just coming up the works, but things keep dry
forward like the moment vacation keeps driving forward, so I didn't get it trumps
terrible tweet alone, calling for the basically violating the rules of justice. Farming are terrible, but it will so far the system has kind of held in terms of protecting mothers ability to do his job, though I mean the daily collar, which originally reported the story about this in format is basically outed. The informant already there's been serious damage done, because a confidential inform it to the FBI has now been.
And out it I mean what are that? What are the consequences of that time, and this is a convincing when I meet from my own experience, I know that the government can can cry Wolf too often about classified information in disclosures
that said like usually when it's the name of a source like that is really serious compromising of sources and methods, and so, if you do have to wonder what might
put, it rests, raymie the case that this is a massive deal. Is we don't like this guy?
as a former Reagan, staffer ease and academic? So what? But the ties
has the CIA into the apartment? Defence are well known. There matter public record. You work there in the eighties
but we don't know like if he's been helpful in other cases in foreign intelligence agencies can serve reverse engineer meetings. He had to figure out who was talking to him when, unlike scrub bunch of stuff, that's
I mean it is weird that some
media outlets or publishing its name,
some are holding back, even though it's already been published like it seems like
sky is not some double agent sitting in Moscow Ray it's all yeah sides be confused by the conversation I was to impart, because it was clear that
cause he was someone who met with page and papa. Doubtless an Clovis, I guess
they were able to figure out what they think they Carter page knew now
have told anybody any times or tells you that it was kind of out there. All that being said, Devon, Nunez his job is to provide oversight and protect these kinds of people, sources, methods, oversight of the agencies, while he more than anyone else, should take every step possible, not
these names get. This was the fact that he did that is unconscionable. You have no idea messages sent to other people who might be helping us providing information, etc. If I were a source- and I thought I could be out tomorrow down-
hated me there's no way I would help at the russian investigation or anything else. Devon
is Job- is not to keep me press informed of what
non inside the affair. It is his job to review the oversight and write like his relationship to this is so fucked up and so screwed up it. They just we just sort of we're, not
used to it, but like he, the
We had also by the way, didn't
accuse himself. Never that it's unbelievable. No, even your keys himself, the activity reviewed what happened, but they couldn't review any classified information, so that connects to figure out if he did anything wrongs, and I we back unbelievable soil system. We got here
you talk about like the level of how bad this could get. So Trump has this tree on Sunday night, where he basically orders a criminal investigation. You your orders, the deal Jane F B. I guess to launch a criminal investigation into themselves in their own conduct to try to stop us. So the Justices Bremen responded just hours later,
it asked this inspector general to expand his ongoing review of the applications to monitor a former Trump campaign adviser to include
determining whether there was any impropriety or political motivation and how the F b I conducted its counter intelligence investigation of persons suspected of
but with the russian agents who interfere in the twenty sixteen presidential election. So it seems like so far that is stopping short of launching a full scale. Criminal investigation, their basically saying
the inspector generals already looking at some other stuff
don't worry I'll look at this too. It seems like Rosen
here is trying to placate trump without actually doing. If I mean this so far, is clearly like a political offer. Amp a mean, the other thing they could do is say. No, then they off to quit. Then God help us when Rudy Giuliani becomes the attorney general.
Like what whatever happens here, but on which special special prosecutor, conduits rice, we're we're already we met, were already drastically moving.
The window ass, her what's appropriate and the president can do in terms of interfering with the adjustment. Job is already one now rod knows he's not gonna find shit.
We didn't try to Obama, didn't try to like split a source inside the Trump campaign raises ludicrous on its face. So I think I think been witness read this today, but just try to imagine for a second. If, during the Benghazi Investigation, Barack Obama decided to order and investigation of the people doing leaving US investigation, I would again really about bill. Clinton had tried
order: investigation into the people doing investigation into white watered Monica Lewinsky, like surely talks about a further, then
George Bush. If George Bush or an investigation into the people, were investigating the Valerie Plain Scooter lobby affair, like just it's crazy
there were just like a tweet laughing at
we're like well it's not too bad yet because they don't take em superciliously. They just said that the inspector generals gonna look at it and you know what will see what happens, but the president says is, or investigation into
investigation of himself. Yes,
it's very, very bad, there's not egg, as it is
that is a gross abuse of power. Yes, there's an, but it's
all internalize. The fact that this is our Donald Trump behaves. This is what he does so at this point like I'm out of I'm out of shock juicy for once
does this, what I want to know is what happens in response. If you know there's this debate like
in hindsight, will what Rosen sign was doing. Addio J, look, cowardly, feckless, empathetic or will it have looked sophisticated
because he was managing a very difficult clients, yoga you, but the calculus in Rosen signs mind could be. We must finish this investigation before I get fired and Mahler gets fired and if and if that requires us to once in awhile, Placate Donald trumps, authoritarian impulses without seriously impeding the investigation, which would happen if he fired resinous ahead.
Or then so? Be it it's and its? And it's it's worrying right because we don't know of it. We don't know frozen stones. Heart is totally in the right place and we don't know
and if it is, if what he's doing is the right strategy, because in a lot of ways, ultimately, if it is true that he's trying to display a trump give him a little to get through this, it is a huge huge bet on the power of the truth, any
who seems like they have information that we don't have any see John Brennan treating these incredibly
from Sesar across one Cicero, you know he's crossing the Delaware on Twitter, every data and and and and anyone who seems to have gotten close to whatever page new
Anyone who knows the truth and he wasn't of compromised by tromp- you get the sense that they ve
things that have shocked them and that they believe will shock the country and and so
This feeling, like, oh, these guys, are betting on the truth, and I
that their right, but when I saw what rodents I did that he was going to sort feed this into the inspector general report. It felt like, if that's ok to me like
that, is the best that he can do to try to move this forward, because all the wording in the roadside thing is like I'm gonna look for improper whatever and it's like, while its clearly not improper
This may be the right thing for him to do not Miller, who is it a Deirdre spokesman for a long time? It made the point that no other president in history would have attempted this or gotten away with it in the system is already failing in real time, as has happened, and then you go to your point. Brennan Mean Trump sent out like seven hundred and fifty characters worth of attacks on on John Brennan directly today on Twitter. So you are the people who know some
They are getting targeted, but I just a quick thing like we ve been talking for a while. Now, like things we're not talking about the attempt,
to give talks with North Korea going hours crumbling.
They pulled out of the IRAN deal in pale, gave a big speech today. That is like proposing a neuron backing IRAN into a corner in a way that is really frightening. Fucking a bowler
just hit a city of one point. Two million people is like there's all these major
issues the president's used to be forced to
focus on and deal with, that we just don't like executive time is just box and friends and doing it is other pretend
no abuses of power that we're not even talking about the war,
Impose report. Last week the President Trump has tried to fuck with Jeff basis by meeting multiple times
the postmaster general to push to double the rate. The postal service charges Amazon to ship package's. What the fuck is that
is literally trying to use his government to punish a political enemy who owns a newspaper whose critical of yeah he's really on his going he's going full Nixon. His where he is
it he's the most corrupt. It's it's. You he's all the scandals at once. You know he's all the scandals at once makes it, which is part of the reason it's become so hard to keep up with everything and also just a Tommy's point. For the most part we have had a period of like relative tranquilly.
And where we haven't had to look to the president to lead through through a war
through have massive upheavals. What we have seen is when there has been some kind of cool
there's some kind of natural disaster. We hope the government can function, but the
It is not really there if you don't.
We don't have presented, we dont leader, we don't have a president, and now we have a. We have a government with a very large government filled with a lot of civil servants who are doing the best they can to keep things running into respond to emergencies. We have a bunch of political goons that he's hired, who half of them of all quit and major keep recycling, make it the revolving door between Fox and the White House, and then we have some guy who just start screaming on Twitter all the time. But as we have the major crisis response that he was handed was Porter, Rico he's just failed, raise not tried and he should attack them in us. Yet us right, Europe that we have had crises is just that he's not fix. I m that people are suffering very dollar tweets with your fucking
acting is like a road police force out there, just stopping people now, if the, if they see them speaking spanish and ask them if they belong in the country, forgets right, he is ignored, he's ignored the crises he was handled, he was handled effects and because we're
focused on everything else. It just doesn't matter
so good, segmented, Midterms, Dan Balls.
Road in Sundays, washing post, that some Republicans are looking at the latest data and seeing marginally better climate for Republicans after thus conversation which the second pull my hair out nets,
marginally better climate republicans that most will give the Republicans credit for republican pollster. Neil new has respected Republican, respected republican pollster. He noted that in previous wave elections, the percentage of people who felt the country
was headed in the right direction was under thirty right now. It's nearly forty percent forty percent country feels were on the right track, which is actually higher than spend some time. So the president's approval numbers have come up somewhat. Unemployment down generic belts, getting closer are
is warning signs that a blue wave might not be inevitable, not the we ever thought it was, but will why do we think this is happening through? They just want one of my thoughts about this is, as we just said, the news is so confusing and its also become so similar. It's always the same. Don't be else about something, maybe there's crimes. Mothers investigating that. I wonder if its causing some people to turn out at least
now, and then maybe they'll be more engaged as the closer we get to them in terms yeah. I think, there's I think, there's that I think that the news has been really disconnected from health care from jobs, policy from
tax policy, the debate has been really abstract and related to crimes,
and collusion and corruption without a lot of tangible with ally.
To serve grab onto understandably look we just spent half an hour talking about it. It's complicated there's a lot of moving parts that a lot of confusing pieces to this it's hard.
No. What matters in went. Doesn't it's hard to know how it really affects people. What's a crime was not a crime, so I think that we're just in this period of time or people kind of going back to their corners little bit mean that the glass half full piece of me wants to say again. I think damned bosses incredibly spartan. I think the data is interesting, but I'd rather look at than their special actions. We ve already seen happen in draw inferences from those in those make me feel very good, meaning the realities. Trumps approval rating is
largely fixed Democrats loathe him Republicans mostly like him. Although moves around a bit weird leave the independence seemed kind of fixed
in that that does make me nervous like what the hell do. These people need
see beware liking him and I think, like the bottom fell out for Bush at some point, like his approval drop below thirty and in
in it. That was like July, two thousand eight, that Iraq was going terribly like things or on in Burundi
I do worry about what you are saying earlier is like people tuning out, there's so much bad news, everyone hates each other. They hate Washington, the partisanship, the rancor and there's like enough well, and I think what you meant
independence independence tend to be the voters who pay at least attention to politics on the news all the time, which is one reason for that. I mean you talked about the special actions. One reason for good news that has to do with that is pollsters, often look at the strong, whether people strongly disapprove or strongly approve of the present United States. Trumps strong disapproval has fluctuated between forty one and forty. Six percent currently stands at forty two percent. His strong approval people who strongly approve the president has only fluctuated between twenty one and twenty seven percent and stands at twenty four. So when you ask people when you try to measure enthusiasm and engagement, gay people were actually gonna turn out and vote. Democrats are having a much bigger advantage in those balls, and if you look at a generic ballot among people who are definitely gonna vote, then you get dealt Democrats in the double digit.
So this is all this means is that we talk a lot on this by cast about what's the right message. What are we talking about? It should be more tax, cut, more health care, less Mahler investigation, but it's really gonna come down to organizing
on the ground, registering people in getting people to the polls and making sure they should have a minutes. It is a joke. Ever
it's all gonna come down to turn out ass, a river all those creatures in politics, but it really is true like at this point over the next five six seven months, it's gonna be all about making sure that we get our people who are committed to the poles, because if the universe of people who usually turns out in a mid term, elections shows up and twenty a teen than the Democrats will probably gain some seats in the house, but maybe not take it back and we may lose seats in the Senate. That's just the reality. We
have to expand the universe of people who turn out in a mid term elections. That is our only way, and none of that none of that
changes whether Trump is resting.
His low of thirty seven percent or his high of forty three percent exactly and dot,
just. It is also just worth remembering that the fact that there's you know a quarter of those ass strongly support. Donald Trump does tell you that
America is in a crisis of of
of extraordinary proportion that there is still that still full court of appeal.
Walking around the world. Looking
What's going on and say, I'm in
tells you that we have huge huge problem but again, glass, half full honour. His
His approval is sitting around forty two forty three percent and twenty one twenty two per.
Are strongly approve. That means that there's a segment
both were only somewhat approving of Donald Trump and there, like I don't allow, is there an end, those people we should either Europe they can be reached out to
or maybe they won't, but maybe they won't get warm and maybe they won't leave the top of the ballot. They're gonna watch Fox news, and you just stay in that. In the end, the other good piece of news is the near times recipes on Sunday about how
New voter registrations among young people has picked up considerably in critical states. During the past few months, young registrants represented a higher portion of new voters in the states of Florida, North Carolina in Pennsylvania and the type of registrations, leaned democratic and all those case, including in the county where Martyrs Domin Douglas Highschool is. I mean those kids have translated emotion and powerful speeches in pubs
events into real action and we should all emulate what they're doing yeah and that's it. That's the thing to keep in mind, because this is a long game and as these new cycles freak us out every couple days,
We should realise that on the ground there are people like the parkland students. People like Shannon Watts, we're gonna talk too soon be no moms demand
and people and indivisible and swing. Let who were working.
On the ground to register new voters, young voters, people who are going to vote democratic, actually changes in November, and we basically just have to hold on until then.
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Start by talking about the the school shooting shooting the took place and in Santa Fe Texas. Last week,
twenty second shooting
happened in the United States this year?
and according to an analysis by the Washington Post, twenty eighteen
in a deadlier year for schoolchildren in this country, then it's been for service members
but you tweet it over the weekend that even after the sand officiating it's important for people not to cave in to cynicism or hopelessness
or the idea that nothing's happening to stop convict
and even though nothing's happening in Congress right now, what
some of the things that are happening to stop gun violence out there, and where does the conversation need to go from here? There's so
that happening on the ground. I think of
working on gun safety, similarly to marriage, equality, so
If you remember, marriage equality activists went directly to Congress, asked
de change laws and what they got in return was the defensive marriage act kind of said. Okay. This is what we wanted and they pay
to state houses into board rooms and these
the changing state laws and corporate policies.
As a result, they created that momentum on the ground that eventually pointed
Congress in the Supreme Court in the right direction and I think of guns safety very.
That way we ve been working on the ground now for
for five years to change state laws to stop bad laws. First of all, on the energies. Insidious in our state, legislatures, trying to force guns, indicated
schools or guns on college campuses to expand, stand your ground
to pass something called permanently carry which is basically to conceal
With no permanent, no training and in thirty states no background check, it actually pass that in
and dates since
he started showing up to date, houses. We have about a ninety percent track record of killing these bad belts, but we ve also
past really good bell. So in tense.
With closed the background check loophole that allows conceals, with
background check on private guns, hills we ve,
bills in twenty six states that disarm domestic abusers, and we ve passed right
flag laws and and beyond bump stocks, and we had
significant success, even distance parkland, and then there's all the corporate work
which again got a lot of charge after parkland, but starting
Back in two thousand thirteen we were able to get Starbucks to change their policies around guns in their stores. We replicated added dozens of major restaurants and retailers, so all of this is happening on the ground, but because-
not this cathartic moment in Congress,
doesn't get as much attention to turn that that's a great listen what's with been accomplished in that that's important, you understand. I think another thing folks are look
four is a sense of what are the most impact for policies that we should be pushing for what? What is your wish list
when you are lobbying a member of Congress or a governor state. What is that
asked way? What are the best policies to protect kids in really anybody else? That is that a sick of this epidemic of gunpowder
there are several things from research shows us that background checks are one of the most significant ways to pay
gun violence? So when we look at the third now I tweet
states that have passed this law. We see gun by
almost cut in half across the board whether it's too
to calm asides or shootings of police.
Gun homicides. Even suicides are significantly decreased just by passing a lot
requires background checks on private gun sales
the other law that that saves, significant amount of lives and also is
popular now with republican state houses and governors is
to pass a law that that disarmament,
abusers alive, p,
I realise that, yes, federal law prohibits convicted domestic abusers of having guns, but
definition of what an abusers does not include stalkers, it does not include dating partners in it.
Who doesn't have the teeth in it that allows law enforcement. Remove the guns and abuser already has so
we go in two states- and we said
than those laws. We broaden the definition of what an abusers and we also petite in the law that allows locally,
to come, remove the guns of a domestic abuser and, as I said, we ve done that twenty six states, red and blue states alike, so
after the shooting Santa Fe Lieutenant governor of Texas and Patrick,
The problem is with guns, it's the security of
school buildings rightly said there should have been fewer doors in the buildings which is bizarre
the new head of the Inner Re Oliver North, who himself spent some time in jail for selling weapons to
RON Human on tv. This weekend said the same thing about culture even and blamed Ritalin for the effects its having on young boys who take it. What is what
you found- is the most effective strategy and dealing with the an hour. Is it picking
part every one of these arguments that they try to make it
making the mine is trying to ignore them injures organised on the ground. What what's your strategy there? Well, it's a little bit of both, so I think it is incredibly important to shine a spotlight on
energy lobby us than lawmakers beholden to them? I like, in a to putting a flashlight under the refrigerator and watching the cockroaches run out. We ve been ignoring the energies agenda fur for decades, and it's gotten us to where we are. We,
have to make that agenda so toxic to law makers in companies that they don't want to be seen
publicly a supporting it and I think we are starting to get to that point, especially because of all the bizarre things,
and re leaders are doing in doubling down on this culture war that their fomenting, but
when the ground. What I can do so fascinating and other energy is always talking about how it has
million members. We don't believe that in media has shown that probably not true the reality.
The inner could have no members and still be significantly important
politically, because they have a three.
Fifty million dollar annual budget from gun manufacturers.
I can assure you that we show up
in the dozens or hundreds in state House it across the country. It is
us verses and remembers. It's us versus a singular and are a lobbyist, so
It's really important people get up the sidelines and show up
because, when lawmakers Thea sitting in in state houses and gun bill hearings, it scares the hell out of them and the more of us. There are the more scared they are that there will be consequences should over
in a bomb, as former secretary of Education retreated a suggestion that a kid should boycott school until Congress acts to change our gun laws, and I think the reflexive response to that suggestion was that that's ridiculous
or unworkable, but you don't have struck by near view with the Santa Fe High school student in page curry, who said she expected to be shot at school it. This is becomes
oh pervasive, that she said I always felt they would happen here. Why is it crazier to boycott school than it is to force kids go to schools where they are not safe?
and do not feel say yeah, I it. The whole situation is incredibly bizarre. You know I refuse to two not send my kid to school. I refuse to allow
lawmakers to not do their jobs getting
the sidelines and showing up in demanding action and change is the most
important way. That people can
he ain't gun laws and change policies where they live. Getting
The sidelines in showing up in demanding action is the way to do this and look schools,
are letting out. My son is out of school
state legislatures or wedding l, but people
still get involved and, and one way to do that is to text the word act to six four for three three:
you will immediately be plugged into amongst men action chapter where you live, and the sex
important thing to remember is that on June, second,
it's where Orange Day and we have more than three hundred and fifty events across the country. Its gun, violence, awareness, day June for
The events around you and second and
We would just ask that people start
looking into events where they are again shows of support on a regular basis on this issue are incredibly important, because Congress is watching your state legislatures watching so lonesome and action is a group you started on Facebook or in the wake of the sandy hook, shooting what have you
learned about organizing and politics and see you put yourself out there to do this.
You know, I was a corporate communications executive for about fifteen years, I had never been an activist. I'd never been involved in organizing it. It has been
profoundly life, changing for me to work together with Us Army of bad ass women, and men too, who are
dedicating their lives other than reading their families and and and the jobs they have their figuring out,
carve an extra work week, a volunteer hours to save the lives of strangers. I'm a full time volunteer for months, dominican too, and
I do believe that
is how you create change in America, not just by being
think tank or tweeting or posting a facebook by actually showing up.
In demanding change and refusing to be intimidated. You know we show up and have rallies or events or worse
advocacy days at the state House and were often surrounded by men who are open carrying air fifteen's.
To try to silence or intimidate us, and I think it's
just the opposite. I think it's empowered so many women in this country who realise its on us to protect our children,
and it's on us to fight back,
when lawmakers aren't doing what they were elected to do and what one last question: what are your plans? What's management action plans? For
The mid terms, obviously, is huge election coming
November plenty of opportunities, not just in Congress, but on the
local level to replace some of these politicians with politicians who are in favour of common sense, gun country.
What are you guys, thinking about that
We're going to be very active. We already are giving something called a gun, sense distinction. I'm I'm not
obviously not on twitter, but candidates. Both Republicans and Democrats like or are bragging about having amongst men, action gun, sense distinction
because we are in toward the elections. Yet once we do, we will start making endorsements but
the power and having a grassroots army is that we are able to turn out en masse and
and canvas and knock under worse and educate people in turn out. The boat men also register people to vote, and we can do all of those things because we have hundreds of thousands of active volunteers, so we will be incredibly active in the mid term. Elections will hold people accountable.
In November of last year. You saw how successful we were in New Jersey and in Virginia and the other
it's really exciting to me, is that last November thirteen moms demand action, volunteers and gun violence. Survivors ran for office, nine one
dozens more running this coming November and State like Iowa in Montana, in Arizona
listen bath, our spokeswoman who's running for Congress in Georgia and over
Four hundred volunteers have said they plan to run for office in the future. So that's incredibly exciting to me. It's kind of the moms to point. No, that's awesome, but is a much needed dose of hope, and I would like us
chant thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it and the income
again and in good luck with all the work you do it. Thank you so much thanks, JANET body.
Thank you, Shannon Watts for mom some inaction for joining us today, and we have our big radio City show Wednesday night. That's crazy! That pod will come out Thursday morning there's early afternoon, so you'll be her nature. That is going be excited. You know! Look I know.
Get anybody to excited at radio city, but, let's just say we got three pair of tights and we can do some kicking we're going to do some. Damn thing: fantastic, the love app
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