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get them gaza last from Phoebe there, but, despite all that They ve already, given us at least three big pieces of news to cover since our last part. First, the washington post reported on an episode that was supposed to be the focus of the postponed hearing shortly after when twenty election Jeffrey clark a mid level justice department, official, almost convinced donald trump, to appoint him attorney general so that he can announce at the d. O J had quote identified significant concerns about voter fraud and urge swing states to send their own sli of trump electors to congress. Second, the committee release surveillance video of a group had been given a tour of the capital complex by republican com. and bury louder milk of georgia on January. Fifth, it shows people taking pictures of hallway stairways insecurity, checkpoints that, as the committee said, aren't typically of interest to tourists a day later on january. Sixth, several of the

people in that tore showed up at the stop steel rally and one man was filmed. Saying quote what, coming in like white on rice for policy, nablus, humor and- Even you, air sea were coming to take you out and pull you out by your hairs, next to him was a man carrying a flagpole with a sharpened end. Who said it was for a quote certain person and finally,. The committee released a video featuring Liz cheney, where she talks about the focus of today's hearing thursday's hearing, which is trump's efforts to pressure mike pence to overturn the election. Here's a clip, as a federal judge, has indicated this likely violated two federal criminal statutes. President trump had no factual basis for what he was doing and he had been told. hold. It was illegal. Despite this, president tromp plotted with a lawyer named John eastman and others to overturn the outcome of the election on January. Sixth,

to give you a sense of the gravity of these issues. Here is a clip of one of president trumps. white house lawyers, Eric hersman, who talked to MR eastman the day after january sixth distorted too, Ask me about something dealing with georgia and preserving something potentially for appeal. I said to him: are you out of your f in mind, now, I'm going to give you the best free legal advice. You're ever getting in your life, get a great f in criminal defense lawyer you're going to need it, and then I hung up on him. So did, I wanna get your reaction to all three pieces of news here. Let's start with the mid level mouth breather, Jeffrey clark, trying to get himself appointed attorney general, so we can overturn the alike and what you think about that one I mean shoot your shot. Insurrectionists He admitted it it's the huts bar and

lack of self awareness. It takes to be aimed, above all, environmental attorney in the department justice to get not one not to. Three meetings with the president to convince him too. All of your superiors appoint you to be a member of the cabinet and the wine. A presidential succession and promising overturn and election the presently loss. It is just godless that guy, that is unbelievable It almost worked so trumpet thinking about doing it and the only reason trump doesn't do. It is because there's this emergency meeting, where the In general, the deputy attorney general everyone else comes in today. oval office with clark and there, like look, you do this week, we're going to resign en masse all the justice department officials are going to resign at once and trump probably thinking to himself. Well, you know he probably didn't care about that, but what will that mean for a possible impeachment right?

and so there's also a great scene where one of the I think it was the deputy. A g turns to clark and he's like yeah. Your environmental lawyer go back to your office and we'll call you when there's an arrest, say thought was funny, but anyway, we what would happen if, if trump said yes and and and pointed this guy, a g like you would have had known these state legislatures in some of these competitiveness. it's because since they were all republican and a lot of the mega republicans would have sent dueling slates of electors would have sent trump electors to congress. Then we would have had to hope that the republican senate, ah at the time, rejected those electors and or it could have ended up in the supreme court if they were or that they could have thrown out the electors from the states altogether, which means that the election gets thrown to the house, and we know that if it got thrown into the house there were enough and the way that the the house works. There were enough republicans in the house

that they would have thrown the election to trump. I mean we were really close. If this Jeffrey clark thing had worked and there's one part of the story, I think is worth focusing its easy to get distracted at what a night work years and all the drama and the threatens to fire and the guy? In the you know, the temperature in general and his muddy jeans, showing up all that is like great color, but at one point in the meeting some of the attendee say we can't just flip, switching give you the election in trumps ass according to notes in a minute I don't expect do that just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen that data that explains everything it is the haven't. That is the rosetta stone of the entire scandal this. This suggest that trump knew what he was saying about. The election being stolen was a why he needed some putative fig leaf, so that he can implement his plan and bring along. Congress in state legislators steal the election. That's what

just say. It was corrupt and I will figure it out and that I think that that will be, I believe, probably the core of the criminal case against tramp of we are so lucky to have one. What about the republican congressmen from georgia who gave a lovely capital towards a gang of insurrectionists I was sketchy. I dunno, it seems, like you probably ought to have asked some questions there. Or do you want to see the rotunda you wanna see the house chamber? Do you want to see them all paintings of the are the sculptures of the leaders in the presents. No, I would like to see the fire exits saves. You should ask yourselves are questions and worth. asking why to bury Our male coup is actually a real person. I had to give us a few months ago: very loud or milk lie about it. He said he did not give. The story did not give a tour on january fifth, why? What? What is he trying to hide that is very much worth getting to the bottom of just because it gets at a couple of things. One did members

congress, and this has been an allegation for over a year now that some republican members of congress give the insurrection as well. There was the proud boys, the oath keepers, other attendees tour, As for the specific purpose of scouting out the capital for when they took over and also gets, is the close relationships in cooperation around this day and more broadly, between certain members of congress in them extreme me members of right wing the list and white supremacist groups. That is, I think, another pete symptom of this is that the same person who would have wished you know, would be safe. These things about these members authority of alzheimer's, As someone who was getting a tour in the capital from the come congressperson themself. I think that the key point, because you know the capital police released a letter there were that the letter said

you know, we do not think this tour was a specific threat. You know, we've take everything seriously and we weren't too worried about this, and obviously that tour and were where they were in the capitol complex was not ultimately where the rioters entered where the insurrectionists entered, and so they said. You know, of course, watermarks like we're vindicated, but the Point remains like at a time when They weren't giving tours because of the pandemic ladder mode. a special tour to a bunch of people who the next day or carry. in a sharp and flagpoles and threatening the lives of democratic members of congress. Not a good thing whether whether they were honour, reconnaissance store or not. They were part the insurrectionists that storm the capital and they are private toward the day before from republican congressmen. So that's that's bad enough as it is due to who tours typically twin twenty two year: old staff assistance, right, exec, the fact

the member of congress. I don't know whether suggest what knowledge they have of what was combat it. So I suggest a relationship between this member of congress these extreme elements YAP. So maybe the most consequential piece of news, What did you make of the chinese video in that trunk lawyers? Legal advice for johnny's men to get a great effing criminal defence lawyer. We know we don't use thee. use that word on the spot, I was always so sorry. I was so surprised. I'm surprised he edited himself in this. I think just for the purposes of drama it would have been better if he had said worse than I had ever seen. We can be did not have been even better but that's that would have been. That would have been my edit to that. That was the running. The show, the more talented, hard working cricket team would have just beat it anyway, even though he said effing just put the beep in there. Okay, in all seriousness, this is, I think, really critical point

because, just as we were just having this carnation about bury louder milk in these in how people got in the cap and all that the cumbersome. Continues to be pulled towards what happened on January sex, which is obviously a dark day in america. Deep tragedy happen: there people die, there's two damage. People's lives were threatened even in this is that this is what is implied in what was the machine is opening, and then what this trap attorney says is that even if the mob had never made it inside the capital, if the capital Also the national guard, someone who'd be able to stop them from breaching the building and doing damage in and stop the violence that led to to the deaths. This would still be a crime. The crime was the plot to over. In the election. The ins the right at the cap, it all day, assault at the capital, was a consequence of that conspiracy. Failing. And we cannot lose sight of that.

Because I think it's going to be. You know we don't really know mabel, no more interference if this A piece of what we as interpret to be the crime is what happened on January six, it's going to probably pretty challenging the connect donald. to specifically to the elements that entered the capital or a specific plan to enter the capital. And it's unlikely riveted too heavy single piece of evidence. That, beyond reason without will connect donald trump to a specific plan to assault the capital, but the crime was happening bothers me. I think it is within this. Why think? His ears were important. What list jamie does here as important as We have become sort of numb to the nine violent parts of the plot overturned. The election and why you're too half it's been sort of normal, wise bricklayers. The republican party is impressive, going for that that we think That is, that's almost become treated as with it.

the normal course of business. Look Democrats want to run artificially diamond wage republicans, since we have the power overturned the election who's? This which is right or wrong. It's ok, what you said about the fact that that what they were doing was a crime, the alternates electorates war crimes Lying about it in train to conspire to stop the counting of votes was a crime staying ways, words about, indeed the both supporters the believe me you have to was shady There's Donald trump owned attorney, saying it's a crime. Well in more than that, you noted testifying today will be. Jamaica ludwig. As a former george w bush judge, who was a runner up for both the Alito and the roberts nominations. This is a pretty conservative guy nuth, referring republican and he's gonna, be testifying today about how he told his friend John eastman,

Who is the subject of the one who wrote all these memos to donald trump saying like a mite pence can probably overturn the election, and I think the key is at the time you were just saying like. Why are we not do this? At the time? The thinking was o. Donald trump is dumb and he thinks that might pence has the power to overturn the election and obviously he doesn't and I think what they're going to proven today's hearing is donald trump knew. The John eastman's plan was illegal. He was told it was alive. He knew it was illegal and he went along with it anyway and then, when MIKE pence refused to go along with the plan, Donald trump inflamed the mob that threatened mike pence's life and then Donald trump didn't care that connection right. There is the clearest you're going to get between trump, the illegality of the plot to overturn the election, and then his decision to incite the mob to cause violence and potentially kill his own. Vice president, I mean that's fuckin, it's not great

is it's it's. So, let's take a step back from an intact, but we're all. This is headed on one hand. The committee is now clearly making the case the donald trump and others committed crimes in trying to overturn the election on the other. They ve been a bit more circumspect on whether they will make a criminal referral to the department of justice. The committee's chairman, benny Arms said that they wouldn't and then basically, everyone else on the committee, including the staff, walked back those comments shortly after saying they haven't decided. Yet that's basically as far as they want. What you think is going on here like why, wouldn't they make a criminal referral if they're very clearly and publicly making the case the trump committed a crime there is, reason not to make criminals for it does it make. I think there was there is a sense when there is a version of this debate happening a few months ago, sort of throat. Economists sources that everyone freaked out about eight was a twitter moment saying

and I think the argument back then among some of the people who did not want to do from a ferocious if Mary Carlin were to decide under the advice of career prosecutors, to charge trump, that it would make it more political. If it was a referral from a largely democratic committee in a house controlled by Democrats, that is, optics brain like that makes no sense. No one there really how it's to work and how we have certainly crossed the rubicon. Now that you have members of congress, including in a faint liberals like daughter making the case that crimes were committed, I don't think, there's no reason not to do it. I think, for everyone who is freedom, has melted down about. Carson Thompson said or the possible that they want. It's obviously was worth noting. It is a piece of paper for with the same value as the next tweet John favosites

That's all right everything over that very that, so it's a very valuable ass. He sat up say it is innocent or they are literally needs and make that reform is digital. Parchment right is very unfortunate, and now I just mean anything: does it impact white girl it does or does not do in this situation there It matters and they make a criminal referral about a crime committed against conk contempt of congress right where that word Someone is refusing to cooperate with congressional subpoenas Then that has doesn't isn't decisive, as we know from the fact that mark meadows still walking free in america, but it has influence here? This is just a its aid, general recommendation that have no and so I think they should do it if you say, the crime. You should take all steps to make the case that is a crime. That would be one of those steps, but it does not materially impact, as I understand it, what mirror carlin and his team may or may

Do here. You know I or you're saying because, like I don't know how many different ways, Liz chinese can say, Donald trump committed a crime. Could she is now set a bunch since since the beginning of the hearing, so it's not like certainly not like she's afraid of saying it. You know we have heard much from some of the other members, but they all at it is it's a it's. It's a bit of a silly debate for the reasons that you site, which is like a silly that they wouldn't just send the referral, but it's also silly to think that if they dont centre for somehow the justice department is going to be like, maybe they don't want to? Maybe they don't think he committed a crime because they clearly think he committed a crime. Any democrats on the committee, and all of us have no control over what merrick ireland ultimately decides. We all do have control over the message coming out of these hearings, especially which parts are emphasise and amplified we have. Some excuse

new navigator polling out today. That shows a couple of things. Seventy percent of americans support the committee's investigation. Sixty per cent have heard a lot or some about the hearings. Fifty four percent would support the justice department filing criminal charges against trump for his role in january sixth, and the top descriptors of republicans in congress who support trump and his attempted coup are quote power hungry. And quote appealing to their right wing extremists base to win elections dan, given these numbers and the revelations we ve talked about so far. What are the most important messages are to be amplifying about these hearings that this was a crime. It was a criminal conspiracy from the top of the republican party to overturn the election to put in place a article right wing agenda that was rejected by the majority of americans, and I think we have to say it's a crime because of this that I mentioned earlier about this,

that it we're normalizing insurrection as a political strategy. So I went I want you to say crimes. So often they were playing a drinking game with the world cup I wanted to end up to that. We were already giuliani, like let's just focus on crime, because if we there. Is this tendency to have words normalization in our political debate that keeps moving the overton window of acceptable political conduct in very dangerous way, so crime crime, crime programme. Second point four we're looking. This is an yeah. I'm asking me my wing, a threat that is happening right now. and last time, as we know all these stories, this was applied near by some of the dumbest in drunkest people in america, this time around its aid, much different situation and involves the the aral sea is on board their recruiting people be. This plan is being funded by people there, not just the man, weighing your donald trump sewing.

Grievances is a very real threat, yet you know I was kind of hoping that benny thomson would have opened the entire hearing. The first hearing with like we meet here tonight as democracy is under attack like four about the has real. You know like we that they really do have to and when. This is a job for all of us bring it forward, and there is rightly a focus on donald trump, because he was the one who tried to overturn the election. He was the president who tried to stay in power used when I tried to do the attempted coup, but we should also focus on all of the magyar republicans around him, who not only tried to help with the coup but are still in power today and are running for office in these midterms, just as an example, the democratic secretary of state in new mexico, just this week, asked us the state supreme court to order

a mega filled election commission in a rural county in new mexico to certify the primary results after they refused. They refuse to certify results of a primary election republican primary in this rural county in new mexico, because they believed in some back batshit crazy conspiracy. about dominion, voting machines. They can have any allegations of fraud, they didn't think anything had gone wrong, but just because dominion voting machines were used in their primary, they refuse to certify

the election in one of the commission members, is a cowboys for trump founder who was convicted of illegally entering the capital grounds on january. Sixth, this threat is ongoing. There are people, there were a pub mega republican politicians running for secretary of state for county commission for governor for attorney general for congress all over this country, and they have basically told us that if they take power and its close election, they will throw our votes away. They will throw our votes away to make sure that republicans when because they tried to do in twenty twenty and they fail but they want to do it again, and I think that is the most important message coming out of it because you know, americans are, are busy they're worried about a lot of things, to worry about inflation, to worry about all kinds of stuff, and it's easy to see these hearings and they go. This is about the past. This is something bad that happened. I believe trump was responsible. I don't think the republicans should have gone along with it bubba, but it's in the past. We gotta look forward, while looking forward means realizing that the threat towards our

z exists right now in olive and in many of the maghreb republicans were running for office. I think that we can't lose that point yet. The the friends there is this sense when and all these primary threats like big lie? candidate wins big lie, can't big lie. Opponent loses all that its treated. This is battle within the party between like an insurrectionists wing, and everyone else Not the difference in the republican party is not an insurrection in non insurrectionists is just in terms of how public or a poacher coming insurrection right. It is these like Canada are being supported by the party establishment. Herschel walker is a big. Why candidate who has talked about the election conspiracy? he is endorsed by Mitch Mcconnell. I promise you that if the recent poland pennsylvania would show dogmas toronto, only four points behind Josh shapiro is: if that pull. If the coalsack like that,

in a month or two from now the republican governs association and the rnc will be supporting doug muster otto's campaign they there. This is a party wide conspiracy that it is much bigger than trot is actually just of an ancillary part of what's happening. It is now being engineered by much smarter, more dangerous people. And I know, you're exactly What about betty times is miss opportunity. I think in his mind he probably had some. It was important for him to start with that very long story about his hometown and but then he could have gone to the democracy thing

So on that note about censored some of these republican primaries that are happening across the country, we did have a few notable results from this week's elections. A south carolina republican tom rice was one of the ten house republicans who voted to impeach donald trump for his attempted coup, but on tuesday he lost his primary to trump endorsed state representative Russell fry by fifty one to twenty five percent, but south carolina republican congresswoman Nancy mace, who voted against impeachment. Even ass. She really pissed off trump by just criticising him one, her primary against trump endorse state representative katy airing fifty three to forty five percent. Any lessons from from these do south carolina primaries about a trump and the republican. The dynamics right now will know more about this as the rest, the premises but it seems thus far Criticising trump is a venus political

sin within this republican party in voting to impeach him as a mortal political said, and so there was, make Nancy mace was very critical of them after january six, after the moment she is. She has worked very hard. Not necessarily being his good graces because he's I was very against her, but to be very positive towards trump. She has made finishing the wall, a big part of her primarily campaign. there is also a she. She film, video, I just dirt, embarrassing video outside of trump tower, where she talked about a wonderful trumpets and all their accomplishments that his administration to it was. so you don't need to be trump to be pro you, but you have to be pro trump Tom rice? Could now it behind camp vs examine its exact brain. Is the exact example of how this works worth noting that there these are two very different districts: nancy maces in a district that is pre republican, its plus seventeen republican, life tom racism is nine nine points. More republican

and more conservative, because a version of Nancy maces district had elected leader was what was won by a democratic one. Two yeah, I mean no one who truly opposes donald trump, who says openly and honestly that what he did was an illegal attempted coup in the republican party is going to have a big future in that party was cheney. Liz cheney is down, like thirty points, to her primary challenger. Right now, Adam Kensington or is not running again. You know out of the out of the ten republicans who impeach donald trump in the house, I think now five, six on coming back to congress, so one more notable primary on the democratic side, a special election in south texas that was held after congressmen, film, on vila retired in the middle of his term, to become a lobbyist in and over eighty percent. Isn't any gotta leave congress? you know, nothing much is going on in the country everything's going swimmingly. Things are cool, it's a great time to just like skip out in the middle of your term. It will be a lobbyist, superman

super cool. So in an over eighty percent, latino district, that voted for Joe Biden by little more than four points in twenty twenty republican Myra flores be democrat Dan Sanchez. Fifty one to forty three percent making the hardline immigration candidate, the first woman born in mexico, to serve as a republican in congress and the first time since reconstruction that a Republican will represent the Rio Grande valley, but there's a catch because of redistricting in november floris will face democratic congressmen, vicinity, Gonzales and a seat. That Biden would have won by sixteen points, so the new seat, the new district is abiden, plus sixteen, the one that just justice that they, the special action, was held in his abiding plus four and- and this is the main reason the Democrats invested almost no money in this special election sudan

Sadly, this result is triggered another round of stories about democratic weakness with latino voters. Is it warranted? Is it just another unique circumstance? Is it a little bit above. This falls under the category, something we haven't said no more time on this by gas, which is worry about everything panic about nothing like yes, all the caveats viewpoint put in place are right there. The Democrats did not invested in money. in this cedar do not invest as money in the sea? It's complicated hopefully maybe even probably get this seat back in the fall by hopes out about Biden sixteen, but we should be winning Biden plus four districts if we are not willing Biden plus four districts, we hear a lot of trouble that is worth of aegis, but like that, just as a point of a data point, the current state of the political environment. But of course we have to be concerned about what looks like

a shift, its not a gigantic shift. It is a shift among some segments of non white voters, latina voters in parts of the country, backwater some parts of the country, asian Harrigan voters in parts of the country. We have two because our thou be about that, because, if the Republicans go from being a nearly terribly white working class political party to a just, mostly white work, less political body democrats are locked up. there is no math where we can the Senate electoral college. If we suffer any sort of real dip are margins among poor parts, the democratic base. We like I don't know why you wouldn't worry about it like what would be the downs alike, rather worry so different figured out, and maybe it turnouts me till I find them just like tat dora about it. No, like we, the upside of that so yeah. I think we should pay really. attention on what happened here and try to figure out,

There have been some really. You know some good people from the ex research and others. Looking at the challenges here event solutions, but we should be like this is another data point for reasons why Democrats should be concerned and focused on shoring up the parts of our party that have ensured that we've been elected with the help witnessed the twenty twenty election because of the senate because of the electoral college. It is extremely difficult for democrats to win without getting some portion of non college, educated white voters. It is impossible impossible to win if we also can't get non college, educated, latino voters and increasingly some non college educated black males. I mean it is just it's impossible that the math doesn't add up. You can't go find a bunch of college educated progressives who are just hiding out in their homes. It's just it's not going to happen. Look of course, the democrats and invest at all in this race.

so? That is, that is ridiculous, added that that is a big explanation for why Dan Sanchez did so poorly and he's, obviously, also not the candidate. That's going to be running in the fall right. So that's a weird. We have a. We have a sitting congressman and vicente Gonzalez who's running in the fall, who's, who's and incumbents. Have that's gonna help a lot too so you're, absolutely right. There's all these extenuating circumstances, but like just to dig into the results a little bit cameron county in this district, which is right on the border, is on the border of mexico and there in the Rio Grande valley, floris wins that county by a point in this race obama beat romney in that county by thirty points. Thirty points willowy county, which has just north of camera county floors, when's that by two obama wanted by far

forty points. These aren't like. Oh, we just didn't, invest a little bit more money and we could have done some more door knocking and there could have been some ads from the detroit zoo. Like that's a couple points here and there like a couple points in there, that's not a difference between a point, two points and thirty and forty points. That's a big big, big difference and look MIRA. Flores also isn't some like a she's, not like a will heard republican on the other side of texas she's, not like some moderate republican or even a mainstream conservative republican. She was running around talking about a militarized border and she was like tweeting stuff with a q and an hashtags in her tweets as of a year or two ago, a couple days after the january six insurrection. She said it's time, for us article buy more guns. She is a pretty extreme republican and

if democrats don't start figuring out how to treat latino voters not as base voters that they just have to activate around the mid term, render an election but actually persuasion targets. We have to go and talk to them to figure out what their issues are and by the way their issues just aren't immigration, which is a patronizing way to treat latino voters. I think, but in fact, in twenty twenty, the top issue for most latino voters was the economy. Democrats, don't figure out how to talk to latino voters who just huge and growing percentage of the electorate every single year we're fucked we're fucked so like I know that we can comfort ourselves with all kinds of like this is an extenuating circumstance excuse, and there are plenty of extenuating circumstances here that made this it's unique and, like you said I, I would expect that in a Biden plus, sixteen district court will get this back in the fall, but there are some shifts going on in the Rio Grande valley and first one it was shifts. I am indeed- and it was ok- you talk, it was the cuban vote. Miami date, then you go to the rear.

Green valley in their ships there, like ok. Now there sits there now look a lot of strategies will point out that in counties across the country, where there's a high percentage of college, educated, latinos, democratic, doing fine and there's no attrition. Of course, because college educated voters we're doing great whether their white, black or latino or agent- we're doing really great about college educated voters. But we are, there is a problem with non college educated voters in the democratic party that is now becoming a problem across races, and we have to figure that out. The demographic shifts in the country means that certain parts of the what were safe, democratic states in president in the in the electoral college are becoming more and more republican right, it was it's wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, which obama won one twice, iowa babo and twice have move very quickly in the republican direction and the the hope is that heavily latino states like Texas continued to become more diverse. Therefore,

become blue, there is no world in which texas becomes a blue state. If democrats are losing the rio Grande valley. and if this trend there's gonna, be we'll test for this trend in twenty three to intervene: which is a very high percentage of non college, educated, latina voters. We can't win taxes, we lose That is a result of stays hard words huge troubles, a party in, so we have to fear. Here is that we have to do better across the board right. We obviously, but I believe, There is a potential to improve our margins among non college, educated wife and, as we have a case may there we have to do that. We have to improve our margins and our turn out in every part of the party in order to win, because the math is getting harder particular when it- the senate, yeah and in nevada. You have all the things we talked about. This episode coming together, because

there was a primary there this week as well and Catherine cortez master who's. The democratic senator from nevada who's up who's going to be in one of the tougher races. We absolutely have to keep her seat in order to hold the senate she's. How can we running against Adam lack salt, whose another election denier strong trumped up or he won that primary and the secretary of state candidate in nevada. Now was a republican. There is that the republican secretary of war candidate in nevada, a one that primary is another election denier who could overturned future elections, and he just one is well sir, oh nevada. If we don't win nevada end in twenty twenty two, we can have a bunch of mega republicans there who might want to overturn future elections so incredibly important everyone, automotive market com, slash mid term sign from, inter madness, pick a region where they want to do west south mid west east. We really need people to sign up because look

this concern, scary and others lot of focus on like what will my regards do and yet for sure, but we have the power to go out there organize and make sure that these mag republicans these election diaries do not win these seats in these competitive districts and these competitive states. We can do it, so everyone sign up and we got a lot of work to do up act when we come jack Dan, we'll talk to representative alain Luria Virginia, who was on the one six committee joining us now is what the members that generally six committing an congresswoman virginia elaine awaiting Luria welcome to the pot start with this hearing, which felt differ, it's in a lot of ways for the previous two. It was obviously much more in the weeds about specific provisions of the twelve men intellectual council. What

What was the committee trying to communicate with this year? I think trying to get across that you know we have examined every aspect of the law. I explained that was made by, for example, John eastman and other people who had this crime is the theory of awaited the vice president to just unilaterally overthrow the results of the voters and the election, and Billy examined. That, with those are renowned former conservative federal drivers, as well as the legal adviser in former vice president and day unequivocally said I'm across all of their testimony. but there was no merit answer this legal theory and they went into debt kind of all the different integrations up. It was essentially to the way was it, he knows: choose a different slate. A fake electors have all the difference in areas that have been laid out there. They just purpose was to go through them methodically and debunk from because they had no legal merit.

It also felt like in the question and cars with Aguilar adds that your council try to get really at the point. They both eastman and president trot knew that there was no merit, through the claims made them anymore, whilst some important to establish that they push them. while knowing the date that there that these claims orange were unfounded. That really stood out to me too, in the line of questioning, as they talked about this meeting on January force and the president, the vice president, MARC forth, the best present stupid stuff, others were there and during that conversation eastman indicated. That even think there was really illegal merits of this and her idea that he had the scheme, but he kind of said. but the electoral count. Ok, I think that's unconstitutional, so he's just going to a law. That's been on the books at eighteen, eighty, seven, his own personal opinion that he thought he was unlike anything unconscious and so therefore, the electrophone outlets just violated, and then,

he's right back around on january fifth, another meeting with mark short, the legal adviser, the vice president, has to pressure again goes through all these different schemes, and then again this is really the most shocking to me. On january, sixth, after there's been a riot after the vice president's life has been in danger. He's been evacuated was securely secure in the basement of the capital and they come back for the certification she essentially says, but now the electoral come out with determine it's not so bad because you took more than two hours to debate of this particular state in the midst of a riot and interaction of force, and you know just just violate it one more time I wrote the stomach, I'm for you to consider one more relevant they minor violation,

It is being provided. Essentially, you know that they are urging the vice president to take this action, and you are in stark contrast to this crazy theory. You know someone who's, trying to essentially encourage others to break the law and the former vice president. He was steadfast and I just witness after witness after witness, say that there was never any doubt in his mind that this was illegal, that he wasn't going to do this, and you know I've said a lot throughout the evaluation and course of this investigation that you know there were a few people, the right people who did the right thing at the right place at the right time and the former vice president if he was steadfast in his adherence to the law and his adherence to the constitution and that clearly said the day, while his life was in danger- and there was also the time spent. The hearing on this statement that president trump put out prior to the general saying that he and my parents were on the same page.

Why was it so significant that tromp was? This is not just about what was thick with us, but what about the vice president actually believed? What's that pick on vessels. The pressure on the vice presidents of this is just one of those means of pressure on him. If the president, without a false, It meant essentially telling the world that the vice president agrees with me, so it puts the former vice president in this position, where you know he has to clearly and and vigorously come back and in a state that he does not agree with this legal opinion which he does prior to convening the session on January. Sixth, but it is a method of this pressure campaign on the former. Vice president and you know that stood out a lot in the hearing today as long, and there also seem to be a specific ever to connect the pressure- paint on the vice president. The dishonest

assertions from the president and chinese eastman about the power of the vice president to the actual violence. It happened on general six. What was the committee thinking interaction? draw the architecture, is the belief that absent that effort, they the agony, creation of the expectation that vice president, had the power Something was going to do that and then not only it is wiper. If it's getting a bet that wedded to the violence, that is that what you're getting at, I think that's true, and I think you know when you look at this time four tweet, the one where the present compounds my courage might has to have the courage to do when he needed

Do and then you immediately switch to you know a video clip of multiple of the rioters and people ultimately strung a capital. You know yelling and screaming bring out pants. Hang my pants. He didn't have the courage to act. He didn't have the courage to do the right thing, there's clearly a connection cause. These people are anticipating and waiting, and they think that, like pence, is the pivotal figure on because of this pressure campaign because of the statements, essentially the one you mentioned, where trump said that pence agreed with wouldn't you know that's not true, then pens puts out a statement saying if this legal theory is bs, we're we're I'm not going do this, I'm gonna do what the constitution tells me to do that. Often amendment I'm just going open the envelopes and going be counted not be changed from the voters have signed, and we all know that translates. They came to the congress

There has been some confusion and ambiguity about whether the committee would make a criminal referral to department of justice. Will you help clear some of that confusion up in its tweet this morning? You said this is only the committee had to vote on mozilla or belief that the committee had a responsibility that of criminal activity was found that such a referral Should be made you ve, I was even part of this process for a year now you ve heard this hearing. Many of your colleagues have already on the record, asserted the kind commissioner, what is your view about? Whether crimes have been committed? the president or his allies ready the people we ve been talking about till. I think it's very clear that The criminal activity here- and this is substantiated by a federal judge in the case that are then reviewed as far as releasing the emails from eastman judge Carter essentially says: there's sufficient evidence to show that a crime is likely, and you know there are certain counts of that-

defrauding the: u s. Government conspiracy to interfere with congressional proceedings and weave reference that over and over and over again as we presented information information, and so I stand by my thought, tat in a woman we as congress, whether its in this investigation or any other work that we do on become aware from electricity. It's our duty that we refer that to the appropriate authorities in the past for the committee. I don't think there's as much disagreement is perhaps has been portrayed in the last couple of days. I think it's a question of really. You know what does a criminal referral meeting? How do we do I feel, like the hearings, we're doing right now. We're representing everything for very publicly. We intend to the german has said it will provide this information to the department of justice to be collected throughout our investigation, so in a way that were already going to pass it all along. In addition to what you're, seeing through the air. German thomson said today that he thought that, based on a report last night from their times that easement

reportedly claimed to have some knowledge about debates inside the supreme court that that he wanted. The committee talk to jenny, thomas the wife of This is clearly understood. It came eating you tell us about when that happened with the process will be to get that to happen. So yet, positive the committees, and I talk about people that we might ask to testify air approached. This has become a very public than the last under age Oh and it's my understanding that during the hearing- and I have to go back and check this, but the jenny thomas put out a statement saying she's happy to come talk to the committees, really kind of simplifies knows if that's true and you know it is a case where we're still continuing to collect information for our investigation, even as representing the information we ve already gather, and so the other is information from the recent eastman tranche of emails that we receive on that led us to believe that you know that's, it's probably someone we need to hear from the committee is been filled.

I started to think of his very powerful story about this plot to overturn the twenty twenty election, It did including includes, because, beyond the violence at the capitol on January is happening in the context of a similarly ongoing plot all across the country to possibly do the same thing in the twenty twenty four election I was. By turning a dermatologist and turning it back over to judge alluded to talk about it at the end of the hearing. How are you thinking, what role the committee place, not just in time the story of what happened in twenty twenty, but the ongoing threat to democracy and the integrity and legitimacy of our elections. Well, I think that's a really important point about the kennedy. You know, and some critics of us might say well like. Why are you just looking at the past and I'm like

This is not about the past anywhere evaluating things, to have lessons learned from the past that this is an ongoing threat. Today, it's an ongoing threat ongoing the future and that really put its back to be in a core reason for the committee were legislative committees. Are we provide oversight and legislative recommendations to prevent something like this from happening in the future? So one of the things, for example, that was talked about in today's hearing a few times- was the mention of the electoral campaign,

so. This was a piece of legislation has been an approximate eighteen, eighty seven and it was actually something I tried a weapon eyes and turn around, and you know reinterprets an innocent is: is it sufficient? Are there things that we could do to make that particular legislation stronger and there's other things as well, for look looking at security at the capital of the response to these types of incidents within the capital region, the national guard on things like online, this information- and you know how that is monitored. Domestic terrorism will come to see not only in this case that, for example, the recent tragic shooting a buffalo that your domestic terrorism statutes. I'm really we need to look at them. So there's just these are examples of things. Talking about the committee and in our final report- and that's really, one of the key elements of this is providing that's recommendation has been learned. Thank you so much for taking termini very much for their very, very busy day to join us europe, as the american update us about these hearings. Thank you so much. I thank you for having

The. or rights after a busy newsweek. It's time once again for another round of take appreciated with our chief take officer, Elijah cone Elijah. Take it away, I guess we're back her past. Now we just jump forward in time for the west, back in the morning before the hearings happened, confusing its confusing explained and rose again? Welcome back to take appreciate her administration. Takes you all producers are seen his taste, I dare not. They will react and re them on a scale of one to four politicos with for being the worst john and Dan. Are you ready rarely, if ever just glad to be here with you Jeffrey clark, crooked media. Thank you, eliza la LA. Really flatter beggars too many too many. opponents to the video team. Now we always it's the hotel he's like I'm gonna, I gotta catch him take

from behind a camera so I wanna know, let's start with the january six hearings, we talked about this abandoned the ape like, but this peace ran the morning before the hearings actually started in the new york times This is titled. The january six committee has already blown it. Here's a club think I know that we don't need a committee to simply regurgitate what happened january six, twenty twenty one. We need a committee that will preserve democracy, unto the receipts from the twenty five in general, since twenty nine we a committee to locate a weaknesses in our democratic system in society and find ways to address them, guys who wrote it are our good friend and mentor David

it's reddit, the bronx and as I promise I'm writing it dropping the quote in the slack. So you guys can see it if you want to take some worn. I here's the thing. I think dan and I have pretty given the version of this advice, maybe not so truly written, but is incredibly important, not just to focus on the past, but to focus on how to fix democracy young forward, because it is continued. It is still under threat by the existence of mag republicans. Now the idea that this congress, which came flocking get anything done, is suddenly going to pass a bunch of reforms to make sure this isn't happening again does seem a bit fanciful and also the fault of the republicans in congress who won't go along with it, as well as to Democrats who we will not name who

have a fondness for the filibuster, but other than that. I sort of a group that yeah. I agree with the idea when I don't agree with, is the lazy crotch if the false choice practices will the headline in the headline is super super new york times troll and we can truly blame David brooks for the headline like that. It's not that is someone else's fault, which again we love the names, the name on it we ve been attacking headline writers four years on this show. That's a great hot, take show yourself which reveal yourself line in Heaven right headlines. Nita byline is our take sex. I argued this one one and a half what yeah wouldn't to have politicos for the take three politicos for the headline right

I mean: do you guys think it's valid to say that this is a key part of preserving democracy and twenty twenty five and twenty twenty nine? This is a key part of what he's looking for. What is this and what was Isn't that in that scenario like what was this we're revisiting january yeah we're visiting january assassin? I think it's part. Look. I think, to the extent that january january's that these hearings have any influence over the elections whatsoever and by influence. I don't just mean a swing voter changing their mind, but reminding democrats in organizers and activists what's at stake? I do think it's it's part of the puzzle, it's part of of what we need to do to preserve democracy. Does I think, we're talking about it so much while we go on to another one should also january sex. This from the atlantic is pieces title. My pants is an american here, yet with a hooker

this peace suggests that pants needs more praise for not going along with trump budgetary six specifically and suggests the congress name of building after him to buy it and give him the presidential medal of freedom. Then it makes this argument quote about wanting when republican are public and voters prefer pants trumpery twenty twenty four democrats ought to be trying to privacy, waters away from the republican party. In the event that trump runs again by making it clear that the democratic party appreciates MIKE pence is a hero of democracy. He might just persuade a small but crucial percentage of these pants republicans to cross over in twenty twenty four who wrote it. Is it built? It's not is it of it is built crystals other named David from It's not,

it's not just the bill bill Kristol and David Frum are too smart to read something like that. I I clicked around clip that put that on the socials immediately yeah I it is funny, though I've heard this take around and I didn't bother to see who actually wrote it because I was so like come on down would you have never heard of it? Jonathan last had been. There's a guy he's a good on Japan. Less as a good writer This is not a good take, but it's a good writer earlier than I dont doesn't like there's a lot of about these republicans who are speaking out about tromp in the insurrection outlets for doing the bare minimum like I wouldn't, I would say that lithuania is doing above the bare minimum with Janey holds, like extremely conservative views that I find abhorrent, but I think that with the courage he has shown on this issue is commendable. Might pants did the fuck? the bare minimum by not illegally overturning an election and then

You know now he's like saudi kind as speaking out and taking these like oblique shots at tromp that are much fuck that come on. Now I am, I am, might pens does not get an award now? I mean this is- I guess, offered suggesting that my pants, yet the presidential metal freedom for the simple act of not committing a crime is likely ultimate example: participation, trophy culture from their public hits. it is the crime he didn't speak out about a crime. He just quietly did not commit the crime. So that's point one point. Two is one thing that never been said about my comes before. Is it he has a small but enthusiastic base There? Are those who say that it has a couple not like? No one cares about my pants he's clean yogurt of politicians. The idea we could, if we were just nice after my pants, we can get these pence folks to cross over. They do not care that the pants working as a placeholder for mildly,

insurrectionists republican verbs your available to Democrats potentially and twenty twenty five, but it's not doesn't require giving might pence in a word and by the way again might pence never been a fan, but if he had it, like, livered a speech the day after the insurrection of the week after or the month after, where he furtive just torrent, Donald trump, but everything that happened. What I would have a different view of this, but he did not do that. He does decided to slink away because heap somehow thinks he's going to run for president again and there's going to be people who support him in any way. difficult majority. Yeah, it's crazy can be present at the bulwark. Is that it Give it a very warmly for the borg. The borg is regularly talented smart writers. Do you know what this gets? three and a half, I'm not getting a two fold. Labour pretty gets through to have having to go with

three just to be slightly different. Well, we're in a move away from january sex for our last I take here, and hopefully this gave rise to a full play who does workers your goal for us now. Sadly, not getting one that is guaranteed This one is from the wall street journal and it's title cannabis and the violent crimes, now god yeah. This peace, makes the argument that meat is more potent and is linked to psychosis and violent behaviour, and then it makes this insane point here an abridged cloud. Do you have all these shooter fits a patter mass shooters, Gabby giffords beating over a cholera, poles, nightclub, sunup, springs and moderation. And I was high school- were all airports.

marijuana users- it could be a coincidence, but increasing evidence suggests a connection guys puritan. I don't know who wrote was the it wasn't the editorial borders. It is I was a member of the editorial word. mean. Is it kim stressful? It is not It's only member there is war aboard whose name I've ever heard, Another message from the top: it's always have fenway. Never That's said I setting Is that an alias light, burial out or milk? no, maybe I mean I want to highlight one, I'm a real man after this tangles look without anything else. I will just. I will just note that personally, I am one of the most non confrontational people for me to the point of it being a fault I do appreciate this person, leaning into the ah causation correlation debate by saying,

could be could be a coincidence. I mean it's just that is one of the stupidest fucking things I've literally ever her or that is that yeah full playbook. You went to You got it. Ok, let me hear here's here's where I think this take only makes itself and where it says many violent people have used marijuana. Therefore, there's a chance. Marijuana contributes to violence, but you know what a hundred per cent of violent people use engine. I always look into oxygen. Look into it. It is not a coincidence. You are, there are no conspiracies, but there are no coincidence. In an oasis. I wanted to deny you eliza the play, but the forced labour. You wanted it so bad, but the power that take compels me to give this wonderful playbook. Why did it you did it and aid just in case. I didn't know that no one else. Others traders had in common

they had access to guide us in the area that was the obvious one, but yeah, but apparently not obvious to the wall street journal editorial board, member, whose name I have already forgotten, Elijah count chief, take officer, thank you as always thanks to representative Elaine Luria for joining us on a busy day, and we will the way we have alive, show in oakland sunday night. and that pod will be released on Monday, so check it out what idea letter you later everyone