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so damn what's up with the news that broke over the weekend on Saturday at nine hundred and twenty three p dot M Eastern Donald Trump, the person occupying the job of president tweeted, something very big has just happened.
Why, then, on Sunday President drop announced Abubakar bug daddy? The leader of ices died over the weekend during an American led operation in Syria. Trump called bug daddy a sick and depraved man and said that the United States brought the
number one terrorist leader to justice. According to the White House, bug daddy was chased by special forces into a tunnel, ultimately detonated, a suicide vest that killed himself and three children. The president also noted that the american forces entered the area through airspace controlled by Russia and did so with permission of the russian government needs important. A separate two parts of this one is the significance of the operation itself
means for the larger fight to defeat ISIS and the other is the politics of trumps conduct around the raid. You know Dan, I'm sure parts of the world will talk a lot more about this, with GEO political significance of this death, but
as you rightly say why this operation is important.
I mean- I don't say this out about things Trump says, but he is corrected
daddy is the world's number one terrorist. He is both the operational spiritual leader of ISIS, his death, as as you mentioned that in Tommy we'll talk,
were in much greater and smart detail, but his death is he
you'd put ISIS both in terms of their ability to conduct opera
patients, but also as a spur
leader, as someone who claim to be from this,
town as as the prophet Mohammed
The ability of ices to wreak recruit. Followers around the world is more.
Are they diminished by their? So it is a victory in the work and sizes and someone who has been at the top of the U S list, since we were in the White House and twenty fourteen secures the context for this. Raid is trumps decision to withdraw its troops from northern Syria. The massive turkey, the ties reported, the file
following it, was pretty stunning four months, intelligence officials had kept Mr Trump apprised of what he had set as a top priority. The hunt for Mr Alber Daddy, the world's most wanted terrorist, but Mister
abrupt withdraw order. Three weeks ago, disrupted the meticulous planning underway and force Pentagon officials to speed up the plan for the risky nitrate before their ability to control troops, spies and reconnaissance aircraft disappeared with the pull out the official said Miss
alma daddy's death in the raid on Saturday, they said, occurred, largely inspire
of, and not because of MR trumps actions. That was a pretty extraordinary story in the times, and it was, I think,
so close to when the raid took place.
Extraordinary to see the CFO.
Those from within the national security apparatus, be so explicit,
How much should trumps larger fur?
erratic decision making impact how this event is interpreted. I think it should.
Be play. A central role in a minute is.
Like if we, wherever in the world of the twenty fifth amendment, proceeding that power
if you just read, will be exhibit one. I mean here is
one who has said privately
Luckily, the getting Alba daddy is one of his top priorities
He knows that the military is closing down on got body that, according to the times, are been too preview
its missions that had been called back fur, for various reasons,
yet while he knows those things- and he knows he wants to buy gotta, he Caprice
firstly in fairly crazily pulls out of Syria, Pudding B
military in this position, where either they're gonna lose all back daddy's top Trump dictated priority
or be forced to go. Do it with greater rest, his troops. It is an absolutely insane decision and I dont think
you can look at this. Without
in that context, the fact that he almost screwed the whole thing up by being
the terrible president that we know him to be and that peoples
lives were at risk because with either because we wouldn't have gotten a bug, daddy and ISIS would assist strong or for the four
brave troops who went into go do this. They did it under a less than ideal circumstances, because the way in which try
made his decisions. You have anything, let you know
after the Bin Laden raid conservatives were love to credit President Obama for the decision making and wanted to put the credit into the
and of those that actually carried it out. In the end, the leadership in the military, no one,
was more invested in that denial.
Of respect than Trump for Obama.
And yet here now we have an example where it does seem as though Donald Trump decision making
According to the people involved in the decision making made this raid less likely to succeed harder to pull out,
it seems that we have had a number of moments in which Donald Trump serve capricious a rapid decision making has been
coming Democrat, say and your non partisan national security experts say is dangerous for security, but this does seem to be a specific, practical, real world.
Example. Do you think it's something that will lingered you think this is the
kind of thing where
this. What does go down the memory hall of of
bent in which I think a lot of people Geneva.
Oh who I'll buy daddy was now. He is dead. Trumpets declaring victory. Democrats are critical army. What what what actual political impact as an event like this,
Well, I always bet on the memory whole than Trump era, that we know the meanest.
And when it was announced here,
sturdy morning, and by Monday morning we were engaged in a national debate about the civility of building, which, I am sure will discuss it.
It's very quick. It is like I sort
hate this competition having online, where Trump once this to be his clinical open laud moment,
and then Democrats, one is explain, want to fight about which too,
is killing was more significant
in writing the adjusted to serve a dumb gross competition but
is there is
what difference in the pool
we'll call in the national consciousness about who Bin Laden was right, like after
White House, a night that happened peoples
converged on the White House and started Channing, USA, USA, so loudly that we can hear it from our offices, one inhabitants into
is different in that sense, because you are correct, my assumption is: most people have no idea who
I got he has now. If you tell them trump
was responsible in some way, shape or form for
a mission that led to the killing of the leader vices, I imagine that would make people who
live in great concern about ISIS. Even if that concerns
some somewhat irrational field,
about it, but they are. They are two separate. Things are two different things. I think the politics of this is very limited
its mitigated by what you read from the near times for sure
Even been widened, Obama's pole numbers went up eleven points.
Samples right after been law,
was killed. There is this
but Obama had just one reelection. It was over,
and most of that pulling Bob was guy.
Within two weeks of the event, and so the idea that this can somehow change the trajectory of trumps. Politics, I think, is a pretty naive and I also do think there's this pattern with Trump.
Moments where he is meant to try to avoid
the gravity of the presidency and fails to do it that you know something big happens. He thinks here
There's this moment where I'm gonna get respect, then of course he mishandled. It's completely due to eat,
tourism in narcissism tweets, something big happened,
he just found out. He got cast in a musical and he's
excited to tell people the next day than he
it is up to the podium and- and we have one clip of where Trump is explicitly, comparing our bugged,
they to Bin laden harm? Sir.
A Bin Laden was a big thing, but this
The biggest there is this is
the worst ever
Osama Bin alone was very big, but Osama Bin Laden became big with the World trade center. This is a man who built a whole as
like to call it a country caliphate and was
try to do it again. So you know Dan at home
Dwell too much on this, because it is this that x, there are some in getting deeply ugly about Trump talking about terrorist masterminds like there
like lounge singers, in Vegas having a moment but it'll, do do the aesthetic just trumps inability to
rejects the gravity seriousness of the presidency, his inability to carry
that mental at all. Is it important or is it just sort of an obsession of kind of DC and other political pundits? You watch this constantly like us. I think trumps lack of presidential bearing and is just ability to trip over his own two feet whenever it on the national
age, is some sort of baked into the cake in american policy going any one was surprised to see tromp panel at this way in a way that sort of
Gross use car salesman, a sort of thirsting for like person
all affirmation out of it, like anything that bother to what I, where I do think this matters is
side of the: U S where
There are moments like this, where this is not just trumpet.
During headed interview where, during one of the absurd rallies, this is a moment where the world is watching right and it's not just our allies around the world. But it's also.
People in Syria, people in Turkey, the people who
been victims of ISIS and
trot the way Trump talked about. It was away
which I am sure no terrorist terrorism expert, would ever reckoning
President talk, because you know that ISIS will useless to try to recruit more followers and when you
out there- and you talk about it like this in you Jesse
so desperate in how you talk about it anymore,
about the whimpering and all of that it, I think it will become
has potentially become part of a larger propaganda effort.
Turn off the world like when Obama gave his stay.
And after the death of Bin Laden, he
spent a lot of time, thinking about how will be viewed by the people within Pakistan Bright, knowing
U S, forces went into Pakistan to Cuban Lud. How would people
air sea his remarks. How can you do to mitigate whenever fall out? There would be from that in trouble
no concern about that, he was really only speaking in the mirror right. He wasn't thinking about how the world would see it
It's also in a one other difference to between the way present Obama,
all the death of Bin Laden? How Trump handled the rate to take out beg? Daddy is the notification
of Congress, and this is something that I do think is important. Trump did not notify key members of Congress in advance, so
The two thousand eleven Bin Laden raid, the White House, notifies the top Democratic Republic in about the house in the Senate, as well as the by partisan leaders of the intelligence committees that
He called a gang of eight traditionally understood to be group of people that can be trusted with the most sensitive of information. It is a nod to, I think it important reflection of congressional responsibility, congressional authority and checks and balances trump forego that completely he notified to Republicans. He noted
Richard Bird who is the chair of the intelligence, committing the Senate and of course he told Linsey. Graham could Linsey Gram sucks, upped him and the golf course dandy thing as an important breakdown. You think
I think it's troubling about how Dodge,
in this moment, but in future interactions between Congress in the president ended leg. It is probably not surprising that,
who is so grievance.
Granted, would not find it with himself to put aside his personal grievance too
notify the speaker of the house of appending operation order communicate with Adam Show,
right, like that is the person with whom he would. He would have community
in the house. Were he to do so and even like,
most of the time these sort of petty so
annoying and distracting, but there
can be a time when there, when the President and Congress are going to have to work together to solve a very real problem or to avert affair. A real crisis and the
they sort of such from Trop ARM, incredibly
productive and adult? Don't speak well of
which it, I guess is not surprising that Trump would be to wrapped up in his own head to do the right thing by
it makes a warning sign for sure yeah. I mean it
so you know, look we're at a moment where we're grappling with whether or not congresses, seated too much authority to the administration and whether or not Congress has the ability to uphold its responsibilities to check the administration and one of the ways in which we have seen so much authority to the presidency in this is long. Long. Proceeds Trump is in secrecy that that that secrecy is often a tool that the presidency has to keep information from Congress to keep but keep accountability from the public and one of the ways we guard against. That is a custom.
And laws that require the president to inform members of Congress Congressional Committees Congress Writ large, because we understand that there are dangers
Societe with the president's ability to do things in secret? No, we don't
That doesn't matter went to tromp it's not his concern is not thinking about the prerogatives of the president is thinking about his ego, but I do think, as we look beyond tromp or at least think about what we would do to restrain the presidency, regardless of who holds the office. I do think thinking about how we make sure that Congress can protect its per hour
that is really important and were operating in this situation on the
authority by which present has been conducting these operations in Syria, both dating back to prison Obama has
There is the two thousand and one authorization abuse, and also for something that is eighteen years old now for a country that is not Syria and
ultimately, whether we republican our Democrat, the hope, would be a democratic Congress in it
and even in my purse in fashion, would repeal that authorization and military force
if necessary, pass another one that would be
more narrowly tailored and speak to whatever challenges we have in them
men and not just essentially
eighteen year old, like check right, especially cons
during that our bug, daddy, was the leader of an organisation that did not exist for more
ten years after the passage of that authorization for the use of force. Let's move onto impeachment last week was perhaps where the biggest weeks to date in the impeachment Donald Trump up to that point, the troubled ministration have insisted that the perfect call between Trump and the President of Ukraine did not reflect any kind of quid pro quo. But last week you s special envoy to Ukraine. Bill Taylor provided the first testimony that
direct line between trumps insistence that Ukraine's president publicly announced investigation into the violence and the release of aid? Now
into the Wall Street Journal. We learn that former. U S ambassador to the EU. Gordon someone is confirming tailors account of the quid pro quo telling house members that he believed that Ukraine agree to open investigations into bereavement group because it was
condition at the White House set for meeting between Trump Answer Linsky, it seems like tailors testing
money for someone to admit when he had previously
denied and what Taylor which clearly interested in Greece.
Think someone to admit in their text, conversations which is
He had knowledge of trumps decision to withhold eight Ukraine and the reasons why, at the very least, this removes serve a fragile pillar of the Trump defence that was floated last week. I guess he carefully followed a pillar who get a ship Taylor
events. You can voted events that tailors information was second hand right at first, you saw it even centres like John through and say this is very bad news for us and then the kind of
whatever the intellectual come in. To try to smooth over the ice in one of the defences was well. How would Taylor
it was only second had its hearsay. This is in proof of anything and now
Hymns, Ike's online is being forced to confirm what Taylor said:
we obviously know it's true, based on the conversations we read the text messages between Sunland,
and Tailor condemned. It feels sort of absurd to ask
but this how bad? How bad is this fort,
I mean at this point we are now there is. There are so few defences, actually substantive defences left against Acquit broke
Oh now that we're learning saw, let is confirming what Taylor set your mind. It is the conduct,
indefensible husband, it has been amusing. I guess would be the right word to watch Republicans
lay out basically draw lion, say Trump did not cross the line, and then new information comes out and they have drawn up a light and back and forth you get to the point where
We went from
tromp saying the whistle blower misconstrued the call to putting the cart rescript, which proved it to it, was
for a programme to it is a quid pro quo to us here say to it now. It is first and evidence of a quid pro quo
and were eventually gonna get to the point. Where
The only answer is depressing and do whatever the hell he wants and
The thing I thought was interesting so soon made those comments, and then he immediately backed off the next day. I want all I've read the whole thing and it's very theirs.
If you say this, who said that, like maybe it's hearsay and then
something comes out in cuts through
after underneath them
and I saw today in an article about
Hoboken ceiling very uncomfortable in this position. The trumpets put the men I like to point out that from it they helped put Trump in opposition by enabling his every action and defending em
at the time by the new, the new sort of wine for Republicans is weak.
Common on this because we're gonna be yours, and the trial
which is these are the new version of
natural conall say he doesn't reed trumps, tweets or Paul Ryan say he doesn't read the news
So I think that, like they can't keep doing this because they don't know and often trumpet-
owing to the Amber wine to himself
four line to someone so we're gonna get to the point where there is their fallback decision. There. Fallback position is going to be what
prompted, was bad or wrong or not perfect, but were too
close the election to remove the president, which is a position that is probably sis
Annabelle with some portion of the public
right and then the you add, on top of that Lindsey Grams effort to kind of attack the investigation itself. You see others, like you Hewett floating that impeachment that if there is an impeachment trial, it should focus not just on
Ukraine, but everything from the IRAN deal to the Mahler Investigation to the steel dossier. Trump also has been
launching into of attacks against never Trumpery. That Trump is the victim of a vague
cabal of radical mom,
It never trumpeters. Ah, I dont know
through that arguments, for that seems like it's just for him.
Just for him and national review to bigger about. I suppose I don't I don't really understand it all
The hue Hewett is America's most unreadable human eyes.
Go out of my way do not know what he has to say, because I find it to be so stupid, but he causes such outrage that you can't afford it. It is lay he just you cannot lie. He was an unfortunate barnacle of american public discussion that you cannot get rid of. I I do think he is one of the more sophisticated intellectual.
Then bones on the Trump side. I mean he. He is really out there. He is an artist when it comes to
during out how to give some guidance to ostensibly or
You know to some serious Republicans offer how to talk about this.
And you know he's he's trying as best
You gotta, given that you're the one who's gonna, make only issues. I can also actually see, as we get closer to the election, the Republicans in the Senate, taking the
you're defence which, by the way, has also been used by people like Amy closure to avoid calling for impeachment earlier in the process. While the same time, I was thinking about the the Bush defence against,
a swift boating. So when the swift boat ads or aligning John Carry on television bushes, avoiding talk,
about it for a long time. Finally, he Greece to comment on this
malicious smears against John K,
in what he says is. I think all these out should go
I don't want to see attack, adds unfairly attacking
carry varieties of outside groups, and I want to see those kinds of attacks against me. We should all swear off all of these attacks and was a way to avoid actually acknowledging that there were something unfair happening to his opponent. While
sensibly denouncing a larger trend. I can see some of these guys
going out there and sang. I think what prompted was inappropriate. Obviously I'm reserving
man because I'm a member of the Senate and we may have to face a trial, but at the same time I think anyone soliciting any kind of foreign interference, whether its
from Ukraine, or whether its Hillary Clinton and the Democrats with the steel dossier, we're all Americans Dan. We ve all got to do our part to make sure that we have free
fair elections, I'm just under a year what we do
predict anymore I just if I were, if I were a cynical tax cut. Loving
regulation, hating republican member,
the Senate with eyes on the presidency, which is one hundred percent of them. That is, I think, what I would be a angling toward
I think the other very soon
response for giving here is exactly what you
but then also
look what trumpeted was wrong, but I really worry about the precedent of proceeding with impeachment
right what happens to the next prison
republican or democratic again do this every four years we have to protect american institutions by allowing
this particular president to commit crimes while in the white House- and so there will be this sort of bee
so the proximity election. There will be this argument that it is,
add for democracy to hold a president accountable for obvious and multiple crimes in office.
And that is the sort of talking for.
Think will have some success in pundit world, but by
So we cannot survive fourteen seconds of intellectual scrutiny it
there is a parallel between that conversation, and I dont want to dwell on it too much. But this civility conversation
It's been unfolding in the wake of a truly horrifying events which took place.
At the World Series, which is people booing Donald Trump,
we do have some audio cause. Why the fuck
are you know resembling, but the soap
I have never experienced them personally, but I am aware of the cancer
well you ve. Never, ah you never Meda unfair.
And it saints reference in New Orleans Dope, but but so
also there were chance of lock him up, and this guy
I think a lot of the pundits upset at Americans shouting lock him up at Donald Trump. They say it was wrong to shout lock her up at Hillary Clinton it wrong to shout lock him up at Donald
from an orange while too much on the blue Gacy FUCK,
second to compete for title with, but Gacy that's good too, but Gaza FUCK, yet bagasse man anyway. I guess it just so. Obviously the president out
and if you have a problem with dwindling drop. Your promise me that's easy, but but
but on the matter of lock him up, I did,
as a easy. You know by partisan pundit rebuke, which says it was wrong to say lock her up when it was Hillary Clinton and it's wrong to say lock him up
Donald Trump. Do you? Do you agree that it's wrong that that those two things are equivalent in
like this whole conversation is XIX said, and I guess we're
guilty of because we're here, why not it's a lot of fun? Let's go
funded Monday it it speak.
The gravitational pull of the political conversation
It's the least relevant thing. The point isn't who chanted lock him up at tromp at a baseball
is it the president? Is
mitted multiple crimes and
at the same time that he ran around accusing
of his political opponents, of committing crimes like let's have some fucking address any for context in nuance. In this,
position from the Pandit, and this is so that's point. One is just stupid and
like some of the arguments of wrapped around the point to a sum of arrogance, or on this I think
embarrassing on the world stage to see people Channing lock him up at our president
Oh yeah, you, it's really embarrassing down from his prey. I actually gets a bigger Maria. I dont actually grew that I think is actually really important that people are
world understand that this that there is a risk that there's aim
a huge number of Americans. They find Donald Trump to be as repellent as everyone else does. There is a connection to, I think, a serious, serious point about this, which, between the the kind of discomfort with using the powers of impeachment the discomfort with investigations and with the discomfort of protest of what they know, what they see as a kind of a lack of manners in that programme
it is a big part of America's traditions. Not being polite, not being not going along to get along is a big part of how we protect our institutions that that people
booing Donald Trump and shouting and Donald Trump. At a baseball game are showing respect for the presidency and that if it comes YO
we talk about this. In terms of you know, the enforcement of congressional subpoenas theirs is baked in understanding that of Congress were to use its inherent power.
Or and send out a you know this
origin of arms and deputy to go grab
Giuliani and force him to testify or go get whoever else's
the tarmac with a one way ticket out of the country. What have you that that that that we can
understand that that would be bad for Democrats. It would look bad because it looks uncivil, but civility is just a means by which the people in that box defend themselves and protect themselves.
From the very fair accusations of criminality that were currently in an impeachment about it is the
the fact that pundits, a certain class upon in Washington and in
ashes pundits like there are like my home state sent.
Chris Coon's today was very upset about this, and I just
The people within the washing establishes spend more time trying to understand the anger of the people around this country. The righteous anger around what is happening with this.
In the White House and less time telling him to keep their anger to themselves.
Last less serious point on this as it were,
is fascinating. The trump went to the world Series to begin with,
and it speaks to the difference between
who trump airs and whose from seizing the mere every morning, because
Every politician knows that you're at great risk of being boot. If you get out of it,
Here you have from going to a baseball game in a city that is, one of those demo
Cities in that country- and you can
when he and he in his mind he envision this go envision. This being a moment were people would applaud him
for what happened with bag daddy earlier and that day, like Georgia
Bush go into the Yankees game after two thousand and one and like
This is great slum of video on Twitter of him, thinking it's cheering and then slowly realising its booze in his face, tightening up, as
ass. He saw the gap between who he is and how he thinks he is comes together
and it is that it is just a fascinating window into his
self delusion that brought him to that baseball game it again, because each job is not a huge baseball fan by any stretch of the imagination number. If out of anything other than himself and Fox NEWS, I guess
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Let me, as I said before, we move to twenty twenty
was one other developments in the impeachment saga
make a federal judge in Washington DC confirm the legality of the Democrats, impeachment probe and granted Congress access to the secret grand jury,
evidence gathered during the more investigation they. Seventy five page decision judge barrel. How undercut the republican argument that a formal house resolution is necessary to legitimize and impeachment inquiry has also called out the trunk administration.
Efforts to Stonewall Congress. Writing congresses need to access grand jury. Material relevant to potential impenetrable conduct by a president is heightened when the executive branch wilfully obstructs channels for access
other relevant evidence
policy. Another both praise, the ruling, the trunk administration, will probably appeal the decision Dan. How big a deal is this and we have
any sense of what we may learn from these materials it's only
the offer, the very specific reason you pointed out when it is a ruling
a judge that undercuts the republican argument that this is not a legitimate impeachment inquiry for some sort of completely bullshit process reasons, and it shows that
the traditional league,
obligations of administration cooperate with an impeachment inquiry. Are there that peat that witnesses
have to testify. There can hath provide documents, it would not otherwise provide,
the ability use executive privileged to shield those documents.
Witnesses from Congress will be circumscribed, that's very important
If any idea, what we're gonna find. My hope is that cause
goes through the information they have adds to elect.
The facts, led them where they may write like where we dont say well. This is we decide,
it in advance, as is all about Ukraine, so we're just gonna. Stick with that lets
let's see what's in there, let's see if there is information in those files, whatever they are, that is relevant to what
to what we know now right. That speaks
a broader set of grant and if you find it
Now gravitational piece on fences additional
evidence of abuse of power that that becomes part of this inquiry. Let's just facility
max, go where they. We do not try to reverse engineer this from a from its ino at an arbitrary deadline.
Yeah really does seem to that that there is more edge
heading to do whether or not the balance of impeachment AR scope to Ukraine or become larger is and what we learned. Five hundred and thirty eight aggregate of national polling that support from Pietschmann at forty nine percent and opposition at forty three percent, but in in key swing states, are in a bunch of holes that are not a strong one. Wisconsin poll found that forty four percent of voters want Trump impeached and removed, while fifty one percent do not want him impeached and removed. The university of North Florida poll released this week found support for impeachment and removal at forty six percent and an opposition at forty. Eight percent,
and the times also did a survey of six key swing: States, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Arizona. It averaged our results from across the states. Fifty percent of voters supported impeachment inquiry, while forty five percent opposed it. However, only forty three percent of voters supported impeaching and removing trump welfare,
three percent oppose it. There is down in this. You know, bourgeois every Paul has been phrase. A little bit
currently, but when you kind of
blurry your eyes and try to see the big picture. You see a kind of ambivalence around impeachment because obviously like, if you actually think about what it means, I support
I support impeaching him, but not removing him. I support, in other words, voting to send him to a trial for a set of crimes, but not actually convicting him of those crimes. It's a kind of intellectually confusing position, which I think speaks to just a kind of base level discomfort with the stakes of impeachment. Damn what do you think that suggest Democrats should do? I think it suggests the Democrats should keep
Doing what they're doing right that there is very real support for the inquiry itself? There is, understandably apprehension about removing our president from office
a year before an election nine months before an election like. I understand why people are about that its also, I think, somewhat baked in there
that people know that that is an incredibly unlikely event right. All of the cover
today, when the moment had happened in the story that our own crook, immediate, ah chain
research point showing people falling credibly closely. All that's all,
The discussion on is centred on the fact that this is the
fixing of a scarlet eye on trop and not an actual set their move him from from office- and, I think,
The political significance of it in the long run
right, I think there is real serious political significance to the infirmary
be bothering about transit through political significance to try
completely insane reaction to this process.
There is opportunity cost for tromp for spending these months during the middle, the height of the democratic primary just lashes,
on Twitter, like a crazy person, is opposed to trying to,
braces numbers up to,
you know where his wooden number would be about around states
but ultimately I don't think it's gonna be particular the weather. We did impeachment well, we didn't do in future. I think is going to be incredibly. That mere fact is that can credibly pull the plug
and if it gets a democratic, just keep doing what they're doing do not let
a arbitrary deadline for close this. I think that I think people saw the Democrats got scared or like while we said we get this summer thanksgiving. We haven't heard from all the witnesses, yet we too have other documents, but we're gonna have the vote anyway. I think
would undermine the legitimacy of the probe
the eyes of the in depth.
Less partisan, voters who now say they supported and I think would be very frustrating to grassroots based
the crowds who have long thought this was? The right thing to do suggest
but the facts here they methods gets us into twenty twenty, so be it, but there's enough so
fourth? The Democrats should be bold here. I think one that's development. This weekend we learned there's someone who takes a great deal of personal responsibility for the fact that Donald Trump may face impeachment and is a former. Why,
House chief of Staff, John Kelly, at a summit put on by the Washington examiner Kelly, describe what he said,
when he left the white ass. He said he saying quote:
I said whatever you do, don't higher. Yes, man, someone who won't tell you the truth. Don't do that because
you do, I believe you will be impeached trunk cadigan
Golly denied Kelly's claims, as did the White US press secretary, Stephanie Grissom, who said Kelly, was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president,
Now, sadly, outer she said that everyone's phones did melt
and we no longer have them, which has been a sort of a tough tough thing to get use. Do you know
Listen, I don't mind when somebody wants to take a shit, I'm make mulvaney, I say have at it as part of its great, but then
am I forgetting a kind of Pax Americana when John Kelly was chief of Staff and Donald
was disciplined and everything was going. According to plan, I mean who I am, I forgetting some some some golden era under Kelly, no you're, not
at the risk of offending civility place, but fuck off John Kelly
Most of the appreciable offences that are outlined in the Mulder Report
happen, while jangling she for staff data
I'm praising Nazis happen. One giant Kelly was chief of staff, the
I mean I'm sure we all remember this very brief moment when John Cater governors palate
for all these stories, but how is it to bring order and process to the White House and delay control? Who called Trump and like me
there's the inbox and do the very basic things you would expect of an office manager and amid size paper company to do and we treated
like it with some sort of fucking genius and none of it worked. Tromp was Joe
as irresponsible justice cry me
He is now just happened to be that the when
when the whistle blower came foreigners when mic over him. She was now who is a terrible chief of staff and seemingly just a real blight on american government, but John Kelly does not get to clean up his reputation this red at what,
only reason. I thought we were sharing, as I do think. It's not really an insight into the Trump lighthouses, an insight into them,
set of some, unlike John Kelly, who believed himself to be
some kind of aid
Savior inside of the White House, even as it was operating so chaotically. This idea that that that that's the justification he is now offering for the reason he was a participant
in his administration and now, I believe, sits on the board of a company that responsible,
or some of the detention facilities along the border, and it tells you something important about the kind of people that went into the administration. Are: let's talk, twenty twenty, so we ve covered some of the fund. Raising troubles blindness face late last week it seemed that binds team was breaking with his previous opposition to getting help from superpower.
By his deputy, can't pay manders. Eddie still wants to limit the influence of big money and our politics, but that quote nothing changes unless we defeat Donald Trump End quote: binary
at the last filing deadline that he had just nine million dollars in the bank. You know Dan universes
the obvious reason that he needs something to buttresses fundraiser
from the outside. Are there any other reasons? He did this man? That is the one. It is the extent of fines. Money troubles us dramatically understated. He has a third of the money on hand as
worn and senders he has thus far demonstrated no ability to quickly raise money online
nine million dollars in the bank in our time
Where is not enough money to ride these sort of campaign? That Biden claims he's gonna run to be able to run.
Like what binds path to the nomination is too
do well enough to survive the first four states and then
leverage is large national.
Name, I d and standing within the party in
his true. As of yet tremendous support from the american community to rack up delegates in a long battle, the nomination
he does not have the money to run serious
Panes into early states, let alone offer plus Super Tuesday and beyond, and so it's a huge problem. So this
It is only choice: if you want,
to remain viable, but it comes
real downside right anyway,
one of the issues you mean nobody's by led. Joe Biden has spoken to those dine sides and speaking to why he was against the help of a super back to begin with it, also in a
one of the downside is what we are seeing is the candidates that have issued ah big money. Bernie Warren have been you know, two of the most prolific fun razors
Joe Biden, is now kind of doubling down on bigger money at the expense
of smaller dollars, I guess because it's a concession that they just will not be able to compete
small donors. I also don't understand mean that you know
A super back coming in in running adds to help Joe Biden. You know. Maybe that's has has
value but didn't solved, the problem of the kind of organization will need to do on the ground to rack up the delegates. He needs right
Yet it is its sub optimal, to say the least he
but like are certain things as Europe cannot do fear. I cannot but organizers on the ground
to organize your cock discovers in the same way your campaign can do it. It cannot build the infrastructure and the dead and technology that you need to run a real operation to accumulate delegates. What it can do is do your advertising for you. It can respond to attacks
you and but its is going to lead to new attacks right, because Biden has now reversed himself on something where that is right.
And worn and centres is we'll house and I'm sure they are going to make great
of that as time goes on, need a wee wee.
Some experience with this in Obama world
in two thousand and aid, be there
There are very different sort of campaign financed world. We see
pre citizens united. So we did not want any outside groups on our side and did not need them in the primary John.
Edwards was in a very similar situation. That Biden was it. Is it now?
were ever those unable to raise enough money. He actually was it for actually forced to take federal matching funds, which was a sign of great weakness at the time
and then all of a sudden out of nowhere pops, a super pack funded
merely by one individual, a woman named bunny melons.
The super pack was run by Nick Baltic, who was
Edwards is long time adviser in former campaign manager on his o four race, and that was
that was very helpful, they got gotta actually to second,
in Ireland they sort bombarding the airwaves into
thousand and twelve.
Because this is what I had passed and we were staring down the barrel of a hunter,
millions of dollars of ads from
Merkin Cross roads and the coat brothers and others
Marie versus stance on cyber packs and dissension.
Invited them into the race and parties USA was formed and ran, adds to help election either.
In a general action that as long as citizens, united on the box, there is no option right. There is absolutely no. You cannot compete financially without
I think that's an ardent forget her innocence, United. I was
he pleased in a primary that all the candidates had refused Superman,
because there is something particularly problematic in a primary of these individual candidate super pacts,
so by now has been forced down that path. He's gonna have to take some political downside from it in the primary. If he survives
we hard for trumpet report
They hit him on a given the wide
array of super packs they have, but that won't obviously, shame has never been a brake on trumped up political tax in the past right. It is a distinction between the general and the primary because at a primary, its you're, you know your campaign against fella Democrats and one of the things that you were packs have often done because they are not directly affiliated with the candidate. Is they ve been
credibly negative. In fact, some of the ads that Romney people are angry about to this day are the super pack ads.
That were run in the twenty twelve race against Mitt Romney,
So on Sunday I sixty
its Erika rare, along for interview with Biden, also New York
magazine run a profile by nuts II that I thought was actually very poignant in examining both the strengths and wit weaknesses that bind is bringing to
the table in the sixty minutes interview he he spoke about his abides regret, has competence in his ability to serve to set to finances campaign. He talked about trumps attacks against him. What struck me about it is so much of the coverage about Biden nationally has been around his challenges as a campaign, and yet his support has-
main pretty robust right that the race has moved that much. You know he announced she was higher radiant, whatever low forties he's now, let's say hi twenties, but that has been relative
least stable in fact has been stable. Despite you know, people saying that oh this hunter Bide NEWS was gonna. Hurt him these bad, these, these mediocre debate performance.
We're, not gonna hurt him, and yet the race has been relatively stable and what you see in that profile, even though I think about
the wind came. He was pretty surprisingly critical of it. Is you see some of it?
peel and why certain people like him in that kind of genie, all related persona somebody who's and have been through a lot in his life Dan Warrior, take away
on both the kind of the sixty minutes interview and the the profile
I love you Olivia Nuzzi, New York magazine profile was a phenomenal piece of camp in journalism that really got at the core of the campaign itself. The Biden campaign, specifically in who Joe Biden, is in a way that I thought was new on
indeed in very fair right out, and I think you did speak to rethink the embryo.
Do we have sort of forgotten in this discussion about by its weaknesses, is here
a tremendous retail politician
and that sounds I don't mean that in the leg you know shake hands a kiss babies.
Although he does that very well, it's it Biden has a tremendous ability to connect with people in a very human level. He is this.
Ending well of empathy for humans in this ability to take the tremendous tragedy that he's expense
in his life in use it as a as
rock of strength for people who have suffered some tragedy. My office in the West Wing was basically right. Pass were West wing,
wars and ended in was basically in the past
waiter binds offer so
many times I'd be
my office at night, and I would hear Biden running into tourists and hear them crying as their talked him about
Stories about cancer in their lives about losing a family relative in Biden, consoling them in a way that is hard to imagine any politician doing anything.
That part of who Biden is has gotten lost in this campaign in that part of his political strength has gotten lost. Is too
when he is, and I were he's campaign differently than others have all the critique
about the nature of their campaigner, it being too
school or you know him making
Mistakes on the campaign trailer offering legitimate, but there is it it is worth it
There are also aware that resin
or of strength that has been is your right has been very consistent needs over points this out all the time, but Biden is
People have been predicting violence demise for a year now, and he is right.
While others have risen. He has remained
strong, and that that should be.
Particularly in the midst of a close
We watch natural national discussion about his sons, business ties and that is not effective, and I think that is a notable at least get me one of the most critical voices in me
New York magazine profile was actually from your friend David Axelrod, who worries
the way in which Joe Biden is not out there as much? They are? You know key trying to keep him focused on prepared remarks, even as he does retail politics and acts called it a Canada Protection programme.
But yet you know we kind of understand where that's coming from right, because famously Joe Biden to somebody who has made mistakes when he is speaking off the cuff, then what did you know? We talked about? I think the strengths that come through the peace,
come through when you're not talking about the financing in the pulling in what have you, if you were inside of the biting campaign trying to kind of highlight those strengths? What would be your advice now other than immediately put him on Passive America,
well, that's that goes without saying and our ideas knives out. He let his eyes issues that are no brainer. That's heads,
I think they gotta let loose eleven. I am incredibly sympathetic to the caution
the crow sympathetic to some of the instincts of his campaign staff, in that it like it is
Gloomier. It's very easy when your front runner to play prevent defence,
They have that option because we can talk
a binds, strength right now
that has lasted longer in a stronger position and I think most political pundit types ourselves included in some cases predicted by
in Axelrod points this out in the peace his,
through the nomination is incredibly precarious right. He paused
if his strength is on elect ability in winning, and he is
currently in real risk of losing three of the first four states and the question is
What happens to someone who is?
succeeding with this patina,
flexibility, if you start losing races- and so I think these
present is good. The trajectory is very concerning and therefore you got to take the reins off and let him out there and let him make the case because other
if you don't
really get out there and campaign in an aggressive way and alive.
The concerns that some have as
these voters and in a very dialed and cock a scar, as others have about his bill
need. A stand on stage with trumpet is burdened, navigate and incredibly,
a campaign of very complicated media environment. If you don't allay this concern, I can succeed so you gotta get out there and do it even if there is risk yeah. I and I do it's. It's actually. I think an especially tough challenge for Joe Biden, specifically because in we just talked about right-
Strengths of I think the strength of his candidate, of the strength of his argument is around elect ability, but the strength of him as a candidate right is that kind of human connection he has with people an idea. I do think it's about.
Or to see routed, rooted in understanding, loss, understanding, pain and being able to to relate to people who have experienced pain and a lot of people have, whether its people that have experienced losses in their families, the way that Joe Biden has or you know, people who have lost their jobs lost their livelihood, lost lost lost whatever, and the fact that you know so much of I think what makes him someone appealing is not to me you're gonna, be able to say in a cell
speech. You know it's not it's deeper than that. It's it's. It would be vulgar. It's not. It is an emergent quality of her
as a man that comes through not through talking points or policies, but through something deeper, and so I think it's an especially difficult challenge. They have to get him out there because getting out there, despite the mistakes in the gaps, is where you see that special thing that makes him somebody people might want to make president, but you can't script it because it's not it's not a policy. It's not. It's not.
Land. That's not what's driving his support. If a sort of the conversation around being overly protective abiden, I think there is one opportunity that I just did speak suggest the incredible love of caution. They're doing it's not passive America
it's. These interviews around healthier than ADI bargains, been having with other candidates, like obviously audience
in job. I disagree on many care for all, but I
politician who would have a better opportunity to have a conversation about this. To talk about sacrifice in tragedy. Add what
we'll go through led Joe Biden and the fact that he is not his has
that is campaign is not let not yet let him do that. I think bespeaks, the larger problem here. I totally agree.
It makes me sad to think that they're not putting him in that conversation,
I do think you're right it is that the strengths of who
is a person are what would shine in that kind of a moment, even if, even if they disagree on the policy of even we know, even just reading about you know, Biden going back to his debts of the house, he grew up, and you know I, like I've, been incredibly critical of Joe Biden of incredibly critical of his campaign of an incredibly
grit critical, the debate performance is he's had, but I have a well of sympathy and love for Joe Biden, because I do believe he is someone who has said have been through such tremendous pain and come out as somebody with empathy and if, in the end, if they're afraid to put him in a position to demonstrate that the key moments where that could be could be revealed and shown to people. I dont understand what changes are.
Other than you know this kind of slow and steady kind of stuff. You know and have not a decline, but not a good, not growth, just sort of a kind of Stasis
I feel like I know Joe Biden pretty well having grown up in Delaware and worked in the White House with them for six years and
I just know that if he knew that ADI Bark and wanted to talk to him and then he would do in two seconds, my guess is that that request has not got into the candidate yet. Well, you know hopefully, will see that conversation when we come
I'm gonna sit down with Acute Hughes and Gideon raising the new hosts of what a day to kind of go through this Katy Hills story and her decision to resign, as well as the controversy around it,
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But I've gotta Congresswoman, Katy Hill, a California twenty fifth district announced her resignation from Congress this weekend. After a tumultuous weaken which you faced revenge born,
allegations of inappropriate relationships with staffers and ethics inquiry as well,
just as to whether she be faced
this level of pressure where she, a man and working
here to help us understand. The story are Gideon Resnick and a killer Hughes. The hosts of crickets brand new Daily
news podcast, what a day Gideon
We start with you what the fuck is going on here. This is probably the
messy a story of this right that we ve, maybe ever seen in Congress, because you, you have a lot of questions about a hill and whether you know first off the relationship that she was alleged to have had is even appropriate because the person involved,
is a staffer an underling, so she now is kind of the beneficiary of the first time when these new
rules that have been instituted in Congress after me, too and after you know, hordes of creepy men had to retire in twenty seventeen and eighteen. She sort of the first person to receive the report
oceans of that and the rule is strictly that you know you cannot have relationships with people that are on your staff that work below
you and yet, at the same time, she's also facing these really terrible. You know publication of private image. Is all these issues around, that these mean out like nude photographs and were put in conservative publications, so people are trying to sift through here a little bit like the actions that she did. She
We know, took accountability, force that she was sorry for, and also the really terrible actions that are kind of coming from the outside of the same type.
Were terrible and illegal right is illegal, to use private photos of revenge
is illegal in California killer. You know, when I saw the letter from Katy. I know she put out a video today as well. It is very sad because Katy, oh somebody that- and I can't
four gaiety highlighting a lot of people here did in California. She was one of the people who helped take back a district that help us when the house. What did you think I mean it's obvious?
really unfortunate. I think that I am you know, Gideon
right. There are alot of moving pieces in this, but at the end of the day you know people shouldn't be, I don't know I guess condemned publicly for taking photos and I think that
might be the bigger reason why she's resigning, just because of the public pressure for
Adam you know, there's a lot of sort of such aiming and whatever else
and so it's I think, it's disappointing, because she has a lot of promise, but also because
you know we live in a society that is on the internet and these things can get out, and so
I think that were may be seeing the beginning of a new era of politicians who just have to not exist online at all, which is,
that or we grow and come to understand that yet at people that
can it be surrounded by smartphones, their whole lives? You already. We consider myself in that generation right. We denied enough smartphones when I was in college because just made it
but like it does like. This story combines a few things in its worth: adding stopping on each of them. One isn't like matters of consent, and I dont believe there ve been any allegations that these relationships were
worse, if not, but then there are others pointing out. That will wait a second, even if these are
in central relationships. There are thorny issues when a member of Congress or or a candidate for Congress has
relationship with a subordinate, because that leads to questions round favorite.
And it also leads to questions around what happens when that relationship and that
we're sort of figuring out some of these harder issues getting anything yeah. I think that's the big take away from this. Besides, obviously, we know the fact that I think people came by and large condemn the publication of those images as being horrendous and potentially from you know, like Hill was saying actions from a
vindictive husband with him she's having a divorce, I think kill herself and others have acknowledged that having that sort of relationship with a subordinate is not good, but I think it's up for other people to decide. You know if that reaches the threshold of
meeting to resign from Congress. Yeah me too killer. You know. I think this is a sad story for a lot of reasons in their important political implications for this specific story, but I also they were kind of grappling with something that is in.
Weren't, because eight, I do think I've seen people try to have these two competing ideas in their mind at once, which is, on the one hand, wait there.
Something inherently concerning about a relationship between Abbas and
employed. That is, that is a problem, and then I have also seen a lot of people.
Only wondering will hold on a second dont people meet at work. Granted, I think, worse, are grappling with in the wake of me too, and as we sort of uncovered some of the more ugly and sinister parts of our culture, I think we're also grappling with some of these sort of now thing were delicate.
Yeah I mean. I think the important thing to remember is that these are two consenting adults,
and so while there are these
very long standing sort of standards for who gets to date who, in an office situation at all, it does
a little archaic, because you mean housed
maybe, but I honestly don't know that term dating anyone here, but I think that if
neither of them have a problem. You know, if there's favouritism, that something you can address and if it affects the rest of the staff that something that can be addressed, but I tend to believe
It's really it's just something that as much as society has progressed, we have
really like to state in the fifties on this issue like don't they use
Michael. That's not what happened here. Make people have eaten Gideon now that
the hills, resigning, there's a big question about what can happen with this seed. It's a swing district was one of the most important pick ups in twenty eighteen, what's happening now, and what's next for Democrats hopes of keeping the twenty four this year. I think the Democrats are actually kind of happy with the movement that it's that
that issue is gone. You know like it was. It was a Hilary district in sixteen and then obviously the incumbent Republican was was defeated. Pretty sizeable, I think, in eighteen by Katy Hill. I've seen that sea night, the republican incumbent who was there before, is actually gonna run again and then local assembly woman, Chrissy Psmith, is also going formerly enter the re. So I think that the initial impression is that their hopeful, you know,
the difficulty is that it's a special election thou so like if it's happening, you know like January, twenty five hundred in making that data arbitrarily you, you start to you, start to end up having a little bit more wildcard situation, because you know lower turn out. Maybe people aren't pay much attention to its people,
about their us off.
Exactly? But no, I think that I think Democrats by and large so considerate swing district, but at the same time the trend line is kind of their. For Democrats, too likely keep it. If you know they getting a candidate and they run
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