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not that I remember it was like the day she lived. She ceased to exist. That's how seems to me low and welcome real crime profile. This is Jim Clemente, retired fbi, profiler, former new york city prosecutor and writer producer and see this is criminal minds and with me today, we assume, is lower. Returned swimmer look ahead will analyse new scotland yard and founder of patenting national stalking efficacy surface And I am LISA somebody casting their too for serious criminal mines and when ass. We left off the floor was, is taking us through a very granular timeline of lynn dawson.

The last few days before her quote: unquote: disappearance and one thing that struck me when you are going through that we left off with the infamous call that Chris Dawson gets at the baths. That is supposedly from lynn saying that she's going away. You know when Chris went away. He took his clothes, his car, his money, his girlfriend. I'm sure that if, if you had to track his movements, you could, if you had to prove that really was on this trip. You could, because you probably had to stop and get gas and then they landed somewhere, and then they turned around and took toll roads and stuff. So you know why is it that his wife goes away with the with the shorts on her back? Basically with nothing, she has no luggage she's got. Nothing is laura has gone into many many times. So what is the likelihood of this

it looks like that's a lie. That's what it looks like there's no corroboration at all, there's no evidence that she moved anywhere that she ever less left that house and so were left with the very strong circumstantial case that she'd never left the house and the only other person involved was kristofferson and he lied about it so much so that eight months later he for some reason I held out later- that's just think about that eight months later and he reported her missing six weeks later right so unkind. Two days later right, he saw days after lynn goes missing. He moves Joanne back into his house into his bed, sleeping where lynn had just slept two nights before and then joanne starch, where your clothing and her jewelry and taking off, as the mom to her two children, and that's just it's just outrageous,

somebody who is actually. threatening or worrying or work concerned at all about his wife being missing, does not do that kind of behaviour. This the behaviour of somebody who planned this out. Who was now in any way concerned about lynn coming back, but knew that lynn would never returned. so am I were her. Wedding rings left it. I've I find very bizarre point, fur devoted mother and why mason that I know red tape. I wedding rings off and she just struck me as someone. I asked how badly the question people say she was more her wedding rings. While I can, she did given that all her friends knew they look like so why was she not wearing them? Not just struck me as very bizarre, maybe Chris, who we are no knows very frugal. Maybe Chris did not want to throw them away claiming chris took them off.

Certainly this. This poor woman had every reason in the world to take a break and and leave this situation she was in. But then, why not go to be with her parents, her sister, her brother and she had plenty of people around her that issue wanted to get away for a while she could have and we would never have lost track of her well. I think the letter that Chris, It's eight months later actually gives us some clue. So, let's go into that. First voyage,

I mentioned in an earlier episode, laura it's titled antecedent report, which is the official title of follow up report police jargon they in Australia. So why is it labeled that? Well he claims at the end of this letter that he was given advice by a very prominent sergeant in the police department, and so perhaps he was perhaps it's just a name dropping to give it credibility. I don't know but labeling like this clearly puts it. In the police perspective, so I think, what's important is right from the start. There is the statement. It's as possible contacts underlined. It says all girlfriends have been contacted. No six.

ass. When I want to point out here is that there is no personal pronoun its pass, it have been contacted, he doesn't say I contacted all her girlfriends. It says all girlfriends have been contact, no success, while none of her actual girlfriends have reported that he contacted them and asked whether she was there. None of them, so that's totally uncorroborated when you go through the rest of the body of this you'll, see many times where he said. I I run the women's refugees. I rang this person. I knew that he uses the personal pronoun I he's buying into it, but this one he doesn't by into, and we know from the interviews there

were later done with all her real girlfriend that he did not reach out to them. So this is the first of many successive. What looks like lies in this document. The next one that I think is is also completely lacks corroboration. Is that line was contemplating going to and it looks like it's each, a or anais to work for him, him being a doctor that that she liked and again there was no corroboration of that doktor didn't say that she was gonna. Come aboard frahm lynn,

ever said that to any of her friends or family members, and again this is just very convenient. It helps to throw in investigative own to law enforcement in a different direction away from the home, and I think that's a really important thing, so both those things girlfriends that she could possibly be with and this doctor that she could possibly be working for are outside of the home that he does not want somebody to come in and and look for her there, and I think you got friends that we had very clearly from anna. She had never been contacts it and that's completely inaction, from Barbara the childcare sensor. There was a pay packet by waiting for men that he didn't pick which again is very bizarre behaviour that you would still going do those things, but the distance that he creates. I think he's significant basin, he's writing and also the fact that he doesn't make

contacts and also with robert robbing war in this. While she asked him if he had reported it to please she ass, she could contact him and he said that he had again she thought that that was. That was a very strange thing now the fact that it took six weeks- and it was people prompting him too- the place. I think a lot of this and I know we're gonna go for it. Vip is the absence of things that right and circulated in my eyes. an educated opinion, just saying all girlfriends like You know that I mean why not list all the nay I mean that seem so incredibly vague. I could never say All that I knew all of paul's friends and meet. It would take me a long time to to remember, everybody, and it would come to me a little at a time in a row and then he says the next. It is work, colleagues, and he mentioned some place in the centre and he says no success again, no personal pronoun, he doesn't say I contacted them, he just as well.

Colleagues, and then he has a category possibilities, not tried previous employers. You know- and this doctor Peter be that basically, these are people that she me have gone to or been with or whatever again it simply just these possibilities strong out. Try to push the investigation, if there is one away from that home now in the next biography says, I have rung women's refugees and the sub salvation army in all possible family connections have not received word from her again. It's again its past, I have not received aright, he says I have wrong women's refugees and salvation army, but then and all possible family connections have not received, he doesn't say, and I called all her possible family connections.

Doesn't say that and so on we're looking at that. Why does he drop it because, again, with that's an indicator that he's not owning that information? And maybe things were There are so many calls. The women refugee centre and the salvation army that they are ever be able to prove that I didn't called there, but when he gets to the family members he's not saying because then any can be called out. On he's not saying I called the family members, because he knows that very accessible and they would know whether or not crisp called them and is very interesting that buried further down in the police statement, you would expect family to be top or families, friends the people concentric circles that we have around us, but he puts women's. Refugees above which right and then he does it under the

category of possibilities? Not try, not possible contacts widened. He put it up there in the possible contacts place because he's claiming that they ve all been taught to and there's no success. Nobody heard from her He then goes on to say I placed in in the telegraph then appeared on this day. our wedding anniversary- and it says it appeared it again here-

a day late. So he saying that three months after she goes method missing almost four months after she goes missing that he placed an ad in the paper an ad in the paper, for what what do you mean anything he so he and I'm placing it out in the paper. Why? Because the public thing he knows, nothing's going to happen from it, but it's something that he could claim he did now. I assume that, since he said I placed an ad that he actually did that, and so, where is that ad? Did he David. Did anybody see it? Can we go back in the in the telegraphs records and find out if it actually had happened? It does exist. I have seen it is. It is very good We say it say saying you know it's terrifying, sentences long. If we miss you, we love you. Please contact me and it sandwiched between two other jake

gigantic adds of other people looking for other people as a kind of stands out. ridable so random. Why that's as a priority? but you know over and above talking told the people they knew her, and therein lies the people. You presently going to meet with them. Tracking people die I'm calling out when the family members interests. It really does smack of showing that this is what I'm doing. This is the action I'm taking the evil hold up and he will cling to at all other. more likely to yield. A result, possibilities are much more suitably been included, the religious organisation which you know some it seems more prominence, despite the we learn freelance victim ology that she was not religious at all. So why, without even sure she wasn't religious.

The same is women's refuges. Why? With that feature, why would call them over and above anybody else. I don't know, but I think this next sentences- generous, really it's It just says so much. I rang. I can't really it's ass, something staffing and I was in full is Mr El sims worked in casualty. I drove through and spoke to a doctor. I drove through interesting, not I when spoke there. I do through that's weird, but maybe that's how they said there and then here's what's important. I knew comma huh

inform me that the sr sims didn't fit my wife's description. Okay, a couple of things there. This is just really crazy. I knew he informed me that the sr sims didn't fit my wife's description so supposedly maybe somebody said sister sims might be your wife and she's hiding incognito there, but I I knew I inform he informed me I knew he informed me. What does he say? I'm saying he's. Basically, I think this is leakage. You already knew that she wasn't lan annie he likes it out here, but then he says, didn't fit my wife's description.

When somebody has the opportunity to use some of its first name and instead use a description that is distancing you ve seen in other cases, family laura, it's a distancing of the person from the subject that he's talking about. Why didn't you say linen? Why did he avoid that? Why didn't he use her name instead of saying my wife? It's possessive its controlling and it is not personal. It says that there is no connection here to me when I look at this pain of la cp, listening How many of you stuck to your new year's intentions or resolutions we all know, starting a healthy, routine and sticking to a two very different things. So I recommend in yourself up for success and when it comes to you,

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and that's when it was just stood stock stones had done something something something I haven't seen before. and then The next important thing to me was the sense where he said there was a slight possibility of contact with a religious organisation gave this. Later be expanded upon by hand. that there was a man building a it looks. I think they said a cubby house. I think it looks like maybe it's a tall house or play house for the kids and that he may have been talking to learn about a religious organisation out. He later calls at a call d, refers to it as something like that, but he's talking about seventh day Ventis and Jehovah's witnesses he's not talking about,

a religious organization that is known to kidnap people or to keep them away from their families or to prevent people from contacting families. In fact, they go out into the public all the time they they they proselytize. They talk about their religion, that's part of core part of their religion, and if that were the case- and she went to one of these religions that she would be out there doing this, because it is part and parcel of being involved in that religious glinda. You only want your money and she doesn't have any money or she does any take any over. They gonna support her completely food, a cloud her shelter, her she's, not doing, Anything with their nursing licence, so she's not doing the one profession that you can actually get paid a lot for, and she brought no money with her and she bought no clothes and she bore no luggage issues or a dress up. Oh anything, the chicken where to work there is just now

thing, there's no indication at all that she is alive from that day. For the last time we know she was alive and groggy was the night that her mother called her the night. The two last known to be alive january. Nineteenth too,. I mean no. She wasn't religious. The two. I think his interest in the next sentence that he says about her mother, mrs lulling, since Linz mother funny through on this possibility, say, dropped the end and then deflected away right that you talk to her about it, because I couldn't bottom myself with it and then its a category called history which is fascinating is papa. I think, is the most interesting to minimise the linen. I had been having marrow problems for approximately two years, mainly over her bank card spending

and financial matters. In general, I where's the evidence. What corroborate this? Nothing again it putting the blame on her for their marrow problems. This man, who we all know, has been having sex with a Sixteen year old student of his sexually victimizing, her bringing her into the home under the group that she's a babysitter and having sex with their in their home in his car in the school. All of this is known. Information at this point here laming marital problems on her spending money with the bank card number classic flipping the script Don't look over here, look over there, I nothing to do with me on this. Report is in direct conflict with helena statement as well, who talks about Joe anchored.

being in the house and how tension and upset linen. So again if somebody had done their homework of comparing and contrasting the wind would come onto that, so linz behaviour. The bankrupt spending in financial matters in general is what we are hearing about right and again. This is something that, as you just said, laura is a way to make investigators could remember. This is targeted. Two investigators look outside the home look at other factors she's out their spending. Money is used its that that created these problems and then it's a meant to set up the next sentence, which is an excuse for him to be our home for christmas, and he said I left home for three is over christmas and travelled north most important line in here. To be my myself. Lights and lie that he went with your when he did it

because he was running away with joy and it was her. It was her that forced him to bring her back and his next line- and I repeat, I returned home on boxing day, having missed my wife again, absolutely have just the way said it having missed my wife if not because I miss my way, because I wanted to see linen my daughter's my little two little girls, two and four year old girl was none of that. Having missed my wife again, it's it puts it in the passive tense. It's not act. If it's not it's not him in the moment, and so we are, No that's a lie because joanne is the one that forced him to take her back. Joanne is the one that said. Look. I can't do this This is not something that I am ready to do she? Seventy!

years old. At this point I mean she's, not even finished high school. She wants to live of her life. She doesn't want to get tied down into a family if she has to care for two children that aren't her own. She wants to have this romantic thing with this guy that she looks up to her teacher who's actually sexually victimizing her. We can't blame her for being victimized. We can't put the blame on her she's, not the one who's in control of this he's the one committing the crime that the section of of the trip on christmas. It's so easily refuted ball and clammy heat the uber of the sky, who doesn't think that he could be contradicted about this, and if these are physical facts that he knows, and he knows that the cops aren't going to look

Those because he has his friend tell em a just write. This out will put this in file and that'll. Take care of it right must be countered. Perjury unease is this a fit? This document can be something that I mean to say is being held against two now, but I mean. Is he worried that this has to be a sworn statement. Or is it not a sworn statement, not a sworn statement until years later, when the detective actually interviews him, and he gives you know, he basically sticks to the story, pretty well. He gives a little more detail in certain areas, but then it becomes a sworn statement and the detectives. Well we're locking him into that statement. This obviously, is his words. He wrote it own hand. He voluntarily made this statement, so it still admissible, but it's not a sworn statement. One sees lie to the police. If they have anything like we have here, which is one thousand

one violation lying to the fbi, for example, in there's plenty of different statutes and say you can't lie to cop in the middle of investigation, but once he does that in an investigative setting, then then he's committing another crime, but this literally is just obfuscation and its throwing red herrings out all over the place. Any attempt he can to put the blame on someone else other than him. So if we get then move on

is he says I miss my wife and daughters and here's another thing and hoping to resolve our differences k and hoping I told the red the sentence reads: I returned home on boxing day, having missed my wife and daughters and hoping to resolve our differences, who, having missed an hoping, ok, there's an incongruous are you having missed as in the past and hoping is in future? Why did he say- and I hoped he began- drops the eye, the personal. On the one that actually tells us is connected to what he saying here. It's gone. Then he says we both went to amerika guidance, counselor psychiatry,

friday. Eight january everything seemed fine. When I dropped her back at work, we were both in particularly good spirits, ok, characterizing. It is very hopeful- and we know from reports that lynne was characterizing, is very hopeful and He says we were hole hands and once again felt clothes are holding hands holding hands. This is your wife. We kissinger d J, sexual there was this euro holding hands. It's like a public display of affection blood. Is it real? Is a deep they're supposed to be married later that night she appeared distressed and had difficulty coping. With our youngest daughter again, laura that's our main trade under the bad thing,

to see here. Nothing to do with me. It's all these other things that are happening. I mean feminist classic. You know that that paragraph for me, is really too classic deviation. Distraction you're trying to create Yes, there is some hope and we were trying to get things back on track still no rule distress or concern in irish missing no all this time and is now augurs well my wife, I'm just desperate and the children growing up without her. I just don't know what to say to them. Just anything this emotional ready, he hasn't he death is it's all description and the poor mother Linz mother, said that lynne was hopeful that she felt like the counselling worked, and so she wasn't distrust

and then she said Chris made her a lovely drink and she already sound like she was half drunk now, and so it sounds like it got worse, and if, if the reports that we have our true that he cut He made her drinks whenever joanne was coming over, so we get to have sex with joanne while Lynn slept, then this was probably another indication that he was drugging her and it wasn't just the alcohol, but there was something else in those drinks. So then he comes to fateful day, and he says Saturday january night. She seemed happy again. He dropped her name and use the programme and had decided and had decided to go to the markets and meet me in the girls back at north bridge bats. After twelve o clock he's saying she was

the stress the night before, but to cover why he would drop her off a distressed woman. He says, oh, she seemed happy in the morning. Everything was wonderful in mourning, but it was she again not lead. So he uses lynn when he's describing something. that you know that he may very well have done, but he d, keeps her name out when he does it, and then he says I dropped her off it. Mona veil, everything seemed fine, monovalent bus, stop but he says he dropped her and then he says Lynn rang the bats about three p m. She said she was with friends what friends who Well, what who are these give them their names and name the right, not to worry. It was hurt

and they cheat ring later that weak wait, a minute wait a minute She just says: I'm with friends: don't worry multi later in the week wait a minute. What are you talking about? women. Why leave time never gaze, often harangue doesnt would never leave just a firing, a cold like this. He doesn't have a bag. She doesn't have clothing, should other money, who's gonna, take care of the children who went where one nothing. Her first thought make sure the children go with my mama or or anything rather their welfare, care or himself. What do you mean? And even today, in the state, with your mother's here chris Here we are awaiting we're waiting for shock, surprise or horror of this event happening in the right and and then he wise here, the cheese suggesting she wanted a time away from family like he had so she wanted her three

days away, but now he says well, she rang she rang what a week later and the next saturday, or something and said she needed more time and wouldn't return home until she felt happy to do so. She didn't ask about the girls. She didn't concern herself with who's taking care of them. Don't concern yourself with the fact that her husband, had been you know having sex with this. Sixteen and seventeen year old girl moved her into the house. She she didn't ask any questions about that. He already at this very time, had joanne sleeping in his bed With him on her side of the bed, I mean, let me to say how possessive this guy

is when he goes away up north for three days. While he intended it to be forever. He took his pillow with him. Alright, he took his pillow alright, but then two days after Lin reportedly is missing. He gives Joanne lynn's pillow. He gives Joanne Lynn's clothing. He gives joanne linz part in his marriage and that's just outrageous and he s a very good contrast, said Jim. Actually, you know if the pillow in particular, because it tells us about the man you know just in that sense there and the contrast with lean in packs everything up. He is committed to leading to the point that the pillar matters to him and he wants is his comfort but yet on the other hand, he sent his wife just virtually walked out. The door said uncle,

call in a week took nothing with her. Nothing, not a picture, nothing, nothing! so he also tells Joanne Lynn he's not coming back back ever. He tells you that. Supposing it doesnt know, shit about where she is or what she's doing they tells joanne linux. Never coming back to me that the definitive nature that statement is very incriminating incredibly incur waiting, and it shows again his be ever speak much lower than his words. His wife is gone and he brings in his girlfriend whose actually is sexual victimization victim. He brings her into the marital bed. Home, puts joanne in the position of mother to his children and, of course lynn, is nowhere to be found, and I only think that could possibly happen

if she was dead, when her name was also having pictures of the children done by photographer and a well known artists, and she called out Chris Dawson picked up the phone and he said that the picture One wanted any more because men was never coming back again. That conversation is now critical evidence. In fact, the linn's mother had an aaron others away said that she remembered everyone's birthdays at always was the first to pick up the phone on birthdays or anniversaries or in owners. In mothers and am birthday significant birthday coming up. I think in separate limbs, organizing the party and everything the they went with that? So What we know about land and just didn t tell her attention to detail and people in her kindness, no carrying side and her compassion in a one. She just walk out and abandon the sheep that she, dawn and doors in love

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He said to me- and this is only about two weeks before she disappeared. Every cease chris one way, but there's a dark side. Nobody knows I wonder now, if we ever really knew him at all let's move on it, just gets better from here. So quite a christmas lid had opened her own bank account and bank card statements for january and february show that she made these per purchases, will does it? Does it actually show that or does it show, but someone may is there anything I say again very important point and heavily, and I talk to that last night, you didn't you know- The system is swiping innocent like today, like you know, children running or electronic, you you'd swipe, and it will take some time to register and of course this is pre christmas and so it is highly like

that these transactions made pre christmas anyway, and it was just after the christmas break. When people went back to work. The data registered on the statement, and if she were, you know with friends on the coast. Why would she dry if she doesn't dry for one, but why would she come back right or just a couple of rounds? the might of leaving us- and I think that's the thing that shows his lack of criminal sophistication LISA. The fact is: had he made a purchase upon the coast with her card. Had he been smart enough to do that? That would corroborate what he's claiming but instead she would come back and make a purchase near her own home, where anybody could have recognized her. She was actually tried to hide perpetually which her behaviour supposedly increases. Mine,

proves that she was trying to hide from everybody. That's why she avoided everybody, but in fact what he did was made made. It look like she came back to her hometown and actually that undermine every single thing he said, and when I go to the store, then, where she's made his transactions and ask did you, I mean why didn't the believer you'll? Have you seen her and also it is this true? Are these? Are duly statements exists? These physical statements. This law, at least you. You know that bakers, no statements of ever being produced, say I have to agree with that. You know it in the sense that why would she, if she's in hiding, run the risk of coming back to buy a couple of items she could have purchased anywhere and if she doesn't want to be seen or found, it flies in the face of of that and what are the items elections thereafter? The statements were never produced. and ass? We issue with his accounts

every citing everything that sad about her still being alive is all through Kristensen, it's not by anybody else it's his account. A narrative you don't need be challenged and of course this is written by his own hands. His account his narrative right and then he would go on he says then was reportedly seen it. It looks like now. We know something like that reported to her mother well by whom was she reportedly scene and when and what What what was she doing when she was seen it says, reported her mother and then I don't like it, also at gas furred by mrs, sue butler butler, nothing. So again he gives the name about goslin, but he doesn't

The name about then was reportedly seen at marijuana reported to her mother, but by whom and when and what were the circumstances? What was she doing? and did anybody ask her what was going on known of that detail? Are there no details, because when you're lying, it's easier to say, simple, declarative statements and not go into details and seizure to remember those things, and then it says the last contact I had with her was by phone on the sixteenth of january nineteen. Eighty two sixteenth of january one week zactly after she was reported missing right. Well, she was an official reports. It well one week after she was actually last known to be alive and there's no corroboration for this, but

in other statements, he'll say he heard from her weeks later and that inconsistency. That inconsistency undermines the credibility of these statements and there is actually no corroboration and then at the end, and then he says sergeant Brian gardener, manly detective new manly detectives. What does he say that this kind of weird he? I guess is part of the manly policed arm in any such text. If there has been inviting me on procedure now, why would he do that now one if this was christmas, I dear it may have been because you want to drop a name to give credibility to statement and the fact that it is labelled and to see the report may mean that it was actually the result of consulting with somebody like this detect or this detective may have been giving him advice and said, put my name down on the end and that will give your statement credibility and they will believe it

and this will be the end of it for you, and this will close the door on peoples suspicions about you and about what happened to lead. This will make sure that nobody comes knocking and, in fact, either those intentions, whatever they were with wood with whichever one was actually correct or if they are both correct, the fact is, it worked because not only did nobody come knocking, but in fact this letter disappear as well as all the case file materials, it all disappeared and had it not been for one of linz, good friends who actually

stepped up and reached out to the ombudsman, who was then mandated to investigate who then ask for documents from the police file which then existed and then save those documents the police department actually destroyed them or got rid of them are lost or somebody stole them or somebody deliberately got rid of them, but the ombudsman save them at least some of the files and that, actually gave us something could go on and gave us a record of what actually happened at the time and when, at this started diving into this investigation, it was very fortunate that they had kept this letter. This letter that shows that documents increases own handwriting lies that can be proven to be lies that show a significant indication,

guilt on his part and of obfuscation and misleading an investigation and therefore, I think it shows a consciousness of guilt on the part of Chris Dawson. The statement an enormous these two pages long. I think that this is a very valuable document. The emission of things that are even more striking, as we said to do said, the new witnesses that have come forward with the second don't you evidence? It does build a very significant case fall and if you put the backdrop of the course control or in now sue I'm and I have spoken with legislators in Australia? You all keen, sir understand more about the coercive controller. be so happy to speak. To new softwares place in particular about was the control. I think that this is a very compelling case, and, I have to say we have prosecuted and convicted of

in cases where far less evidence in this and so little boy. You too, why case four hours ago missing well, for me, they don't just go missing, and that is very serious. concerning matter that I hope mixed dollar is looking into, because I don't think it's just acceptable to save that's some time ago- and you know, there's nothing, we can about it in the match, want some please That is a new scotland yard. We always had a move that you clear the ground from under your feet in and astrogation and they did not even start the investigation because they never took with seriously and repeated over years, it wasn't taken seriously on questions have to be asked about what is the attitude that when a woman, a thirty three zero beautiful women goes missing in the prime of her life, a young mother no one asked questions and that that's why I find it so irksome and why innovate stay

with me on a study on the matter that this could be anybody. You just disappear and I will ask questions about you right. It's terrible. I think you know it just goes to the level of of control that Chris had around his life and circumstances, I do not leave, though, that he would have been able to pull this off without the help of his brother. I thinking needed his brothers assistance I think he needed his brother side and I would add brothers, Jim Jones. You say brothers, I don't know that his brother Peter would have been involved in the actual murder or or disposing of the body, but I do believe Paul could have been, and I think that's because they were so close. I dont think he could have pulled it off

without him, and I think Peter probably came in later, I think Peter came in to help. While he did you get the help very, very evidence in other ways. Yeah, that's that's certainly possibility. I dont know what what Paul did with respect to this again, just knowing how these two brothers operated these twin brothers, who were incredibly close and connected, who actually sexually victimized girls together the exacting they base. Didier pool is more prolific. Then, Chris, to start with. That's what people said right, so I don't think he's. the squeaky clean in this and again. I do not believe that Chris smart enough and adapt enough to fall this off alone. He needed help. He needed somebody to help him. Do this and illogical person. I would have done that was his closest

other human being, and that was his brother twin brother, Paul, my god. We have so much more to talk about, but we're gonna have to wrap it up here. Yes so we will continue the discussion of the teachers pat and incredible. vestiges series created by hadley, thomas and the australian, and we are hoping that by getting the word out to our listeners and listeners around the globe, we'll find more people who are willing to come forward and give evidence in this case and unlock the secrets that have been hidden from this case. From the case of sir it will victimization of children in schools in australia, because australian, no different than anywhere else. It happens here, united states It happens in england, it happens in australia and new zealand and everywhere this happens, and it's not going to stop until people talk about it openly and investigate when are allegations and just brush it off is unconscious.

Don't do it please victims when they come forward and take him seriously. I've just had enough of reading case off the case at the murders. If women and girls in particular. You have reported things not believe they are routinely dismissed and ass, going in present day, we ve got to get better at what we do, and vital podcast helps, educate people back was control in sexual abuse and domestic violence. So if you certainly have knowledge or information. You can call crimes. I was in the u k if you know the abuses ongoing or that somebody's been victimized, you closed. if you're on a strategy- and you know something about this case either the historical sex offences operation strike force south It is currently the investigation in today's historical sex offences and operations trifles given into the disappearance of endorsing. So the number is one: eight, zero, zero, three three three zero

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